Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[spideyboy_1111]

We'll find out whenever Allan finds it in his heart to get the F back to work :heart:

bite me...

no seriously... have a piece... i taste like jerky

[Colossal Spoons]

I am pretty hungry :(

[LouFerignoDemon]

That means he doesn't take care of his skin. It would probably give you some illness. Don't do it.

[spideyboy_1111]

hey, im gay i take good care of my skin.. i don't even eat jerkey... its gross.. how would i know what it taste like?

[TheCorpulent1]

The same way that vegetarians say meat substitutes taste just like the real thing?

[necross20]

lol that's the reason I like to invite my vegetarian friends over for lunch. I give them real meat and then tell them how the substitutes are getting better and better. It's even starting to look like meat :oldrazz:
Another gay guy, yay!

[CaptainCanada]

Regarding the team, I guess Cassie doesn't have anything to worry about: she was surrendering before Captain America made surrendering the hip thing to do.:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

If by "hip" you mean "lame way for Millar to write himself out of a corner," sure. ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

meh .. how else would you have ended civil war? it was either cap or ironman dying.. or surrendering.. even then law is law.. just because the hero's say so.. doesn't mean the president is going to

[necross20]

I don't think it's beyond Tony's abilities to manipiulate the president for his own personal gain. Convincing him that the registration act turned out to be the wrong way to go shouldn't be too hard for that sack of... stuff.

[spideyboy_1111]

maybe so, but Tony's mind would have to change first.. and i'd think his is a bit more stubborn then the US gov. and shied

[necross20]

Yup that's true. Could always change his mind with the prospect of money. I have him pegged as greedy. Moreso than most.

[LouFerignoDemon]

hey, im gay i take good care of my skin.. i don't even eat jerkey... its gross.. how would i know what it taste like?

Jerky is awesome. One of my "Americanized" habits from time to time.

If by "hip" you mean "lame way for Millar to write himself out of a corner," sure. ;)

I had much more respect for Millar pre-Civil War.

[spideyboy_1111]

Jerky is awesome. One of my "Americanized" habits from time to time.


smells like my dog's treats.... i could never eat tuna either cuz it smells like cat food

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never had tuna either, but jerky's not too bad. It hurts my jaw because it's so damn chewy, though.
Yup that's true. Could always change his mind with the prospect of money. I have him pegged as greedy. Moreso than most.
I can't see why. The man's already insanely rich--rich enough to not only run a multi-billion dollar corporation but also to build dozens of suits of armor with loads of high-tech junk that's more advanced than 99% of the rest of the civilized world could even conceive of.

[Red]

I wondered how the series will work now the YA are part of The Initiative?

[TheCorpulent1]

Slowly is my guess. ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

does anyone have a pic that was one of that adds for the initiative? it had alot of heroes and "teens" on it.. there was a group of teens in the 2nd row.. that i had no clue who they were.. but they werent the runaways.. and were wearing civilian clothes

[Kevin]

Regarding the team, I guess Cassie doesn't have anything to worry about: she was surrendering before Captain America made surrendering the hip thing to do.:woot:
You know, it feels like there's a difference betwen her giving up and Cap giving up. I'm fine with Cap.

[Darthphere]

I wondered how the series will work now the YA are part of The Initiative?

LOL!, Series, LAWL!

does anyone have a pic that was one of that adds for the initiative? it had alot of heroes and "teens" on it.. there was a group of teens in the 2nd row.. that i had no clue who they were.. but they werent the runaways.. and were wearing civilian clothes

Theyre new characters mixed with crappy d-list characters.

[spideyboy_1111]

she didnt give up.. and trust me... all will be forgotten.. when it starts back up... though i could see patriot or kate having a problem with it

[spideyboy_1111]

LOL!, Series, LAWL!



Theyre new characters mixed with crappy d-list characters.

Young Avengers.. are not crappy or D listers

[Darthphere]

she didnt give up.. and trust me... all will be forgotten.. when it starts back up... though i could see patriot or kate having a problem with it

Yeah she did "Oh I didnt sign up to fight other heroes" Good job not doing that Cassie. Dumb *****, youll never be as great as Scott.:cmad:

[Darthphere]

Young Avengers.. are not crappy or D listers

Good thing I wasnt talking about them.:huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah she did "Oh I didnt sign up to fight other heroes" Good job not doing that Cassie. Dumb *****, youll never be as great as Scott.:cmad:

do you do anything but complain? lol... thats all i've seen you do for the past few threads

[Darthphere]

do you do anything but complain? lol... thats all i've seen you do for the past few threads

Do you do anything but try to uphold this image of yourself where you believe yourself the biggest Young Avengers fan ever? Thats all I've seen you do for the past few months.

[Darthphere]

I've also come to the conclusion that blonde teenage superheroines named Cassie are indeed stupid.

[TheCorpulent1]

This looks promising...

[Foggy Nelson]

Do you do anything but try to uphold this image of yourself where you believe yourself the biggest Young Avengers fan ever? Thats all I've seen you do for the past few months.

Aw shucks, Darth you know just how to talk to a man :heart:.

[Darthphere]

Aw shucks, Darth you know just how to talk to a man :heart:.

Walk like a man, talk like a man.....

[spideyboy_1111]

Do you do anything but try to uphold this image of yourself where you believe yourself the biggest Young Avengers fan ever? Thats all I've seen you do for the past few months.

i'm optamistic.. and love every once... so i'd defend them until all they are now is changed for something bad

[Darthphere]

i'm optamistic.. and love every once... so i'd defend them until all they are now is changed for something bad

Huh?:huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

Walk like a man, talk like a man.....

suck **** like a man... :o :hyper: :up:

[spideyboy_1111]

Huh?:huh:

theres nothing wrong with me supporting my favorite book, nor the characters actions in them... you can never prove your the biggest fan.. its just a figure of speech, get over it

[Darthphere]

suck **** like a man... :o :hyper: :up:

I dont roll that way. At least not on weekdays.

[Foggy Nelson]

suck **** like a man... :o :hyper: :up:

Dude, last time I remembered.. Aren't you the gay one? :huh:

[Darthphere]

theres nothing wrong with me supporting my favorite book, nor the characters actions in them... you can never prove your the biggest fan.. its just a figure of speech, get over it

I can prove it.

[spideyboy_1111]

I dont roll that way. At least not on weekdays.

well you don't know what your missing :cwink: :heart:

[spideyboy_1111]

I can prove it.

lol how? other then reading everything and buying anything wth them included into it?

[Darthphere]

well you don't know what your missing :cwink: :heart:

Man, talk about awkward.

[Darthphere]

lol how? other then reading everything and buying anything wth them included into it?

I say it and so it is.

[spideyboy_1111]

Dude, last time I remembered.. Aren't you the gay one? :huh:

yes... and don't refer to me as "the gay one" being gay isnt who i am.. just a small part

[spideyboy_1111]

I say it and so it is.

fair enough... but don't complain about me saying it as well ;)

[Darthphere]

fair enough... but don't complain about me saying it as well ;)

But you dont have my power.

[Foggy Nelson]

yes... and don't refer to me as "the gay one" being gay isnt who i am.. just a small part

I'll refer to you as whatever I choose, I meant out of you and Darth, you were the one that was gay.

Ye gads :whatever:

[spideyboy_1111]

I'll refer to you as whatever I choose, I meant out of you and Darth, you were the one that was gay.

Ye gads :whatever:

uh-huh

[spideyboy_1111]

But you dont have my power.

o don't i now?

[Colossal Spoons]

smells like my dog's treats.... i could never eat tuna either cuz it smells like cat food

Too much protein to pass up just b/c of how it looks.

[Colossal Spoons]

My above comment is tainted after reading this little gem:

well you don't know what your missing :cwink: :heart:

lol

[spideyboy_1111]

Too much protein to pass up just b/c of how it looks.

.... i said smell

[Colossal Spoons]

My mistake, my point still stands. A lime would fix that problem :up:

[squeekness]

I wondered how the series will work now the YA are part of The Initiative?
Are all the YA kids part of the Initiative? This was the first I had heard of this. If not all then who, if you know? I mostly like Wiccan and Hulkling if they are together.

[CaptainCanada]

I think he's referring to The Initiative, as in, Iron Man's superhuman organization, rather than Slott's Avengers: The Initiative miniseries. Since the YA surrendered along with the rest of Captain America's forces (aside from the cast of New Avengers), they all fall under the aegis of the Initiative. They're not a band of kids, they're government-sanctioned and regulated heroes.

Of course, they're also on the cover of Slott's first issue (along with about eighty other characters), so they might pop up in brief appearances there too.

[squeekness]

Oh, okay. Thanks. I was confused there. I thought there was an Initiative book that really focused on them or something. I don't think a quick cameo is enough for me to pick up yet another title when I get so many already. I would rather have YA in their own book.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Oh, okay. Thanks. I was confused there. I thought there was an Initiative book that really focused on them or something. I don't think a quick cameo is enough for me to pick up yet another title when I get so many already. I would rather have YA in their own book.


YOU!!!! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:



Actually, the Initiative is looking fairly good from what I've seen. Though I might be a slight bias after seeing the new War Machine armour.

[ang_hulk]

whats the new war machine armor look like? Im very interested in finding out tonys ya whenever he decides to show up,i hope its not a lame illegitimat child or somthin.

[squeekness]

YOU!!!! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


Me, what? :p

[LouFerignoDemon]

Me, what? :p


I dunno. I just...was compelled to say it. O.o

[squeekness]

Well you freaked me out! :p :D

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sorry. lol

I don't know why. But when I get the compulsion do say something in that way, it just...has to be done. Almost like I have zero control. x.x I freak me out.

[necross20]

Impulse control issues? Enjoy em, their cute :oldrazz:

[LouFerignoDemon]

XD Maybe.

[Specter313]

Has everyone else seen that there will be a Young Avengers one shot during the World War Hulk event? Gonna be written by Jeph Loeb and drawn by David Finch.

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/WWH.html

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome, at least somebody is writing about these kids :o

[CaptainCanada]

Is it sad that I was originally going to avoid WWH, but this, combined with the creative team on the X-Men mini, make me want to get it?

Loeb and Finch are an A-list creative team for a one-shot; good to see Marvel looking out for the Young Avengers.

[GOODT!MES]

Undecided about WWH. I love the logo, though. I'm thinking I'll pick up Annihilation and WWH once they're in paperback.

Hopefully Finch brings his Moon Knight A-Game to the YA one-shot. He's been doing way better there than he did in New Avengers.

[Silvermoth]

Has everyone else seen that there will be a Young Avengers one shot during the World War Hulk event? Gonna be written by Jeph Loeb and drawn by David Finch.

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/WWH.html

Thats wonderful news! WWH is heating up but I think I'll wait before I get too excited. I don't really want to get a core title where Hulk just beats up Marvel heroes. I hope Loeb really tqakes the team especially Wiccan, to interesting places

[Kevin]

Finch? Freaking Finch?? *sigh* ew.

[Foggy Nelson]

Finch? Freaking Finch?? *sigh* ew.

I prefer Finch over Cheung, but understandably Cheung has become the "definitive" artist for them I guess, either way like already said atleast somebody is going to write them. About time.

[Kevin]

I'm just mad because they won't be attractive now. Sucks.

[Foggy Nelson]

I'm just mad because they won't be attractive now. Sucks.

I'm guessing you're talking about Teddy, Billy and Tommy right? :dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

teddy and wiccan, and young kang were hot

[Kevin]

Kate is hot too. And I don't find Teddy attractive.

[Foggy Nelson]

Hoyski Poyski, I don't find the boys hot seeing as I don't swing that way. Kate's waaay too thin and the Lang girl (she sucks so much I don't remember her name) is too young.

[Kevin]

Hoyski Poyski?

[blud_knight]

hey which thread had that pic of an ed mcguinness cap?

[spideyboy_1111]

Kate is hot too. And I don't find Teddy attractive.

teddy is gorgeous in human form... which is kinda freaky cuz when i grow my hair out i look like him....

[Kevin]

So when the next season comes, Teddy will have moved in with Billy. (Where have I heard that I forgot) I hope this cause problems.

[spideyboy_1111]

im sure teddy will because well.. he has no parents... problem wise? i hope not.. i like them together... but it's a great way to bring billy's family (and brothers (which we know we will be seeing) and i really like his parents, so it'll be nice to see more of them. And I'm sure Teddy will be getting his own room... lol

[Kevin]

I really want some problems in their relationship. I'm fine with them together, but I also love drama.

[spideyboy_1111]

i'd like to see them be the drama free one...we get enough drama with the speed/patriot/kate angle as well with the vision/cassie/iron lad/kang one

[Dread]

Has everyone else seen that there will be a Young Avengers one shot during the World War Hulk event? Gonna be written by Jeph Loeb and drawn by David Finch.

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/WWH.html

And already WWH is stretching into 20+ chapters, and will balloon even more if it sells well. Never-ending events, I hate thee!

Good to learn of a YA one-shot, I guess Marvel wants to keep them in the focus until, or if, Heinberg can return. Loeb should be fine; Finch usually is too dark for superhero type stories (aside for MOON KNIGHT, which is more urban like DD so he is fitting), so I would have preferred another artist. He's an A-Lister, though. Anyway, I'll be picking it up.

[Kevin]

i'd like to see them be the drama free one...we get enough drama with the speed/patriot/kate angle as well with the vision/cassie/iron lad/kang one
God, I am so not into the two three love triangles.

[spideyboy_1111]

lol well hopefully one doesn't last long...

[The Cajun]

Am I the only one who doesn't much care for the Cassie, Vision, Kang love triangle that will apparantly be in the 'second season'?

I'd much rather see more focus on the thing going on between Kate, Elijah and Tommy.

Speaking of Tommy he is ****ing badass. I've give him his own mini-series because he rocks so much. Although he needs a name change - Speed is just so obvious it hurts my eyes.:csad:

I mean off the top of my head I can think of better names. Like The Blur! Or Quick Kid! Mach Man! Turbo Toddler!

Okay, maybe Speed isn't so bad...

But I still think even Turbo would have been an improvement.:o

[Kevin]

Again, both three love triangles are meh.

[The Cajun]

Again, both three love triangles are meh.

I'd say the Cassie/Vision/Kang triangle will be meh because it will be the stereotypical and boring kind.

You got Cassie the girl next door type whos oblivious to the power she has over the two boys. Then Kang who will play the role of forward man who makes his feelings known. Lastly, Vision who will sit in the corner quietly crying as he watches Kang and Cassie and probably say something like - 'she deserves a real man. what can i, a robot, offer her?' or some **** like that.

However, Tommy/Kate/Elijah interests me because its the opposite of the angst driven triangle mentioned above. You got Elijah who is too proud to admit his feelings and Tommy who makes them funningly obvious through his flirtation. Then you got a hot chick like Kate stuck in the middle.

[spideyboy_1111]

actually i kinda think kates is the more stereotypical kind... 2 boys fighting for the girl they love... and shes just along for the ride

[The Cajun]

I didn't say Kates triangle wasn't a stereotype. Both triangles are.

It's just that Kates will be much more fun to read and less angsty than Cassies.

If I wanna read angst I'll petition for a Pennance series.:o

[spideyboy_1111]

i think cassies is kinda interesting because essentially she's pinning over the same man... one will just be a "good" version and the other a "bad" version.. (if you go with the theory young kang will be the leader of the YMoE...

one also must remember the iron lad armor uploaded vision as well as young kangs personality

[Dread]

While we are picking one love triangle over the other, put me in the Kate/Tommy/Eli camp. Not that I don't like Cassie/Vision/Iron Lad; I'd just rather see Kristoff Vernard return. :p

[spideyboy_1111]

kristoff would be sweet to bring back.. thats doom's son right? same one in Fantastic Four house of M right? thats the only thing i've read with him in it

[The Geek Vault]

I'm interested in how Teddy/Hulkling will be effected by WWH. Do you guys think he'll keep his name? I thought Joe kind of avoided it when I asked during the WWH panel at the NY comic con.

[The Geek Vault]

I'm interested in how Teddy/Hulkling will be effected by WWH. Do you guys think he'll keep his name? I thought Joe kind of avoided it when I asked during the WWH panel at the NY comic con.

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm interested in how Teddy/Hulkling will be effected by WWH. Do you guys think he'll keep his name? I thought Joe kind of avoided it when I asked during the WWH panel at the NY comic con.

i hope not... the name changing is stupid by now... they've been around too long to change his name... hes a hulk and a changeling.. so why not? Hulk as in deffinition... not a banner hulk

[Dread]

kristoff would be sweet to bring back.. thats doom's son right? same one in Fantastic Four house of M right? thats the only thing i've read with him in it

Yeah, Kristoff Vernard was the adopted son who was infused with Doom's knowledge back when Doom was believed dead, and then join the Fan 4 during the late 90's. Had a thing for Cassie, who was the same age (meaning both should be 15 now). She still seems to have an armor fetish.

I'm interested in how Teddy/Hulkling will be effected by WWH. Do you guys think he'll keep his name? I thought Joe kind of avoided it when I asked during the WWH panel at the NY comic con.

I don't see why he has to change his name. Hulkling is fine.

[Kevin]

And if he ages 10 years?

[spideyboy_1111]

And if he ages 10 years?

... umm well we wont have to worry about that for about 20-30 years

[Eros]

Isn't Kristoff dead anyway?

[Kevin]

... umm well we wont have to worry about that for about 20-30 years
But I'm worried about now. I like to look in the future. I'm a long run type of guy. Wait, I'm Tony Stark.:eek:

[spideyboy_1111]

how old was kristoff and cassie then? some marvel kids age incredibly slow.... Normie Osbourne, Franklin and Valeria Richards, Cassie Lang, and Billy Connors... but others like the Power pack... kinda aged fast... the rainbow girl of the loners looks like shes 16-19

speaking of billy connors... now that he has his fathers "curse" it'd be interesting to see him take on the runaways or YA

[Eros]

I'd say the Cassie/Vision/Kang triangle will be meh because it will be the stereotypical and boring kind.

You got Cassie the girl next door type whos oblivious to the power she has over the two boys. Then Kang who will play the role of forward man who makes his feelings known. Lastly, Vision who will sit in the corner quietly crying as he watches Kang and Cassie and probably say something like - 'she deserves a real man. what can i, a robot, offer her?' or some **** like that.

However, Tommy/Kate/Elijah interests me because its the opposite of the angst driven triangle mentioned above. You got Elijah who is too proud to admit his feelings and Tommy who makes them funningly obvious through his flirtation. Then you got a hot chick like Kate stuck in the middle.

Im gonna hate the cassie/Vision/Kang triangle, who the hell has a thing for a robot[with no male parts]? A ****ing robot for gods sakes, I hate those things!

[Mogwai]

I can't wait to see Finch's designs for the Young Avengers.. I really liked his work on Ultimate X-Men.

[Dread]

Isn't Kristoff dead anyway?

No. Kristoff was last seen in TALES OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1, circa about 1997-1998. He was hangin' out with Nathanial Richards (who was believed to be his maternal father, but this was never proven) and they were driven from Castle Doom by Stryfe or something. He hasn't been seen in 616 since. He showed up during HOM, and in MC2 as part of the Fan Five. Some also theorized that "Doom 2099" was in fact Kristoff, but that also was never proven.

how old was kristoff and cassie then? some marvel kids age incredibly slow.... Normie Osbourne, Franklin and Valeria Richards, Cassie Lang, and Billy Connors... but others like the Power pack... kinda aged fast... the rainbow girl of the loners looks like shes 16-19

speaking of billy connors... now that he has his fathers "curse" it'd be interesting to see him take on the runaways or YA

Kristoff was stated as being the same age as Cassie in the 80's-90's (back when her father Ant-Man II was hired by the Four to operate Reed' machines when he was MIA). Therefore, if Cassie is 14-15 years old then Kristoff would have to be the same age, barring any magic stuff. Yeah, Marvel's inconsistant with aging kids sometimes, and Franklin Richards is the worst. He was technically born during the 60's and he's barely 10 now.

No one really gives a damn about Kristoff, but I was young and scimming the FF title then and found him to be interesting. He's plenty workable if some writers got creative.

[Eros]

No. Kristoff was last seen in TALES OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1, circa about 1997-1998. He was hangin' out with Nathanial Richards (who was believed to be his maternal father, but this was never proven) and they were driven from Castle Doom by Stryfe or something. He hasn't been seen in 616 since. He showed up during HOM, and in MC2 as part of the Fan Five. Some also theorized that "Doom 2099" was in fact Kristoff, but that also was never proven.



Kristoff was stated as being the same age as Cassie in the 80's-90's (back when her father Ant-Man II was hired by the Four to operate Reed' machines when he was MIA). Therefore, if Cassie is 14-15 years old then Kristoff would have to be the same age, barring any magic stuff. Yeah, Marvel's inconsistant with aging kids sometimes, and Franklin Richards is the worst. He was technically born during the 60's and he's barely 10 now.

No one really gives a damn about Kristoff, but I was young and scimming the FF title then and found him to be interesting. He's plenty workable if some writers got creative.

To bad AH probbaly has never heard of Kristoff LOL.

[ang_hulk]

so the masters of evil consist of who? Im trying to figure out who the young versions will be

[Dread]

To bad AH probbaly has never heard of Kristoff LOL.

Probably not. Having him pop up in YA would probably seem awkward as Dr. Doom rarely dealt with the Avengers, but it would complicate things. I just hate seeing characters with potential go wasted, and he has potential. He doesn't even have to be a drag on Dr. Doom himself; Victor by the end hardly considered him an heir anymore and he was attempting to forge his own path while having a mind full of Doom's memories and knowledge (as well as armor).

I'd bet half of Marvel's editorial staff don't know who he is.

[necross20]

Please don't tell me dooms son walks around with full body armour like daddy. euck

[Anubis]

Im gonna hate the cassie/Vision/Kang triangle, who the hell has a thing for a robot[with no male parts]? A ****ing robot for gods sakes, I hate those things!


Racist. :o

[The Geek Vault]

Actually isn't Vision an Android? He can grow human parts?

[Dread]

Please don't tell me dooms son walks around with full body armour like daddy. euck

Kristoff used to wear full Doom armor that allowed him to appear like a 6' adult even though he was a pre-teen when he first was taken by his Doombots and infused with Doom's knowledge. The only real difference between Kristoff's armor and Doom's is that Kristoff used to not wear the hooded cloak many times.

Heinberg could have imagined using Kristoff to headline his "Teen Masters of Evil" for tension (imagine your childhood crush leading a rival team), but that may be a stretch. Heinberg mentioned wanting such a team in his next volume, whenever he manages to write any of it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually isn't Vision an Android? He can grow human parts?

the new vision is kinda complicated... see its a new body... the old body was destroyed by she-hulk, Iron lad essentially downloaded VISION into his armor... and the armor became sentient... it can also change its look, the reg version looks like ironlad.. but with visions colors, so it's kind of confusing... not really sure what the iron lad armor consists of ... so it could be andriod like.. who knows

[Anubis]

so the masters of evil consist of who? Im trying to figure out who the young versions will be


There were many members, cuz the group had many incarnations. Zemo, Goliath, The Wrecking Crew, Mr. Hyde, The Fixer, Beetle, Screaming Mimi, Moonstone, Radio Active Man, the original Black Knight, basically just about everybody that was ever in the Thunderbolts.

[spideyboy_1111]

Kristoff used to wear full Doom armor that allowed him to appear like a 6' adult even though he was a pre-teen when he first was taken by his Doombots and infused with Doom's knowledge. The only real difference between Kristoff's armor and Doom's is that Kristoff used to not wear the hooded cloak many times.

Heinberg could have imagined using Kristoff to headline his "Teen Masters of Evil" for tension (imagine your childhood crush leading a rival team), but that may be a stretch. Heinberg mentioned wanting such a team in his next volume, whenever he manages to write any of it.

well if young kang returns.. he will be using that plot line... but with a more recent crush

[spideyboy_1111]

There were many members, cuz the group had many incarnations. Zemo, Goliath, The Wrecking Crew, Mr. Hyde, The Fixer, Beetle, Screaming Mimi, Moonstone, Radio Active Man, the original Black Knight, basically just about everybody that was ever in the Thunderbolts.

i believe shocker was too...

but honestly... take any villain and turn him into a teen... put them together.. and they could go by young masters of evil... they dont really have to be mini versions of the real MofE

[Anubis]

I know. They'd be better off simply making up young villains and taking on the name. You'd get about the same effect. The Masters never really had a set roster.

[spideyboy_1111]

anyone like the idea of them fighting billy connors?

[spideyboy_1111]

though there prob too powerful for him... so maybe hes better suited for runaways... old lace vs little lizard

[Darthphere]

To bad AH probbaly has never heard of Kristoff LOL.

If anybody does, its him, guy maybe a deadline missing *******, but he knows his ****.

[spideyboy_1111]

ya, Allan really knows his ****...

[Anubis]

Is that supposed to be a gay joke?

[Darthphere]

Is that supposed to be a gay joke?

Its a double sided statement.:csad:

[Dread]

well if young kang returns.. he will be using that plot line... but with a more recent crush

Oh, I get it. I know my chance in seeing Kristoff handed well in 616 are next to nil. But it's a MB so I can bring it up.

Heinberg needs a co-writer that he can trust so he can release timely issues. Many writers seem to be tag-teaming creative duties to try to keep up with deadlines and it can work well when the pair are working well together.

[Kevin]

You notice how a lot of book now, and coming out have co-writers? That's mad respect to them.

[Darthphere]

You notice how a lot of book now, and coming out have co-writers? That's mad respect to them.

Respect for what?:huh:

[Eros]

You notice how a lot of book now, and coming out have co-writers? That's mad respect to them.


The only reason IMO you might need a co-writer, is when you don't know much about the character or characters your writing about.

[Kevin]

Respect for what?:huh:
Marvel for double teaming.

[Darthphere]

Marvel for double teaming.

Again, how is that worthy of respect?:huh:

[Kevin]

Again, how is that worthy of respect?:huh:
I respect them for doing that. I just do. That simple.

[Darthphere]

I respect them for doing that. I just do. That simple.

But why?:huh:

[ang_hulk]

then im betting the excavator(kid from the wrecking crew) shows up in it.

[Kevin]

If I had a reason, it would've been in my first post. Wait--just thought of one. I'm sure marvel has been putting co-writers on books for many years. I know that they've been using TV and maybe movie writers as well. I respect that they're trying both and not just one. (example: Only hiring TV writers for the future of their company). Like there could be a Co-writing team of Professional Comicbook writer/TV writer. best of both worlds. (I'm sure they already have that kind of team out there. I also think I spell professional wrong.)

[necross20]

Nope it's correct.

[spideyboy_1111]

Is that supposed to be a gay joke?

no...

[Roma]

Question: Is there gonna be a Young Avengers vol. 2 ???

[Colossal Spoons]

If Heinberg remembers to write it :cmad:

[Roma]

If Heinberg remembers to write it :cmad:

So Marvel's plan is to release a second series ?? Or is it just rumor ??

[Colossal Spoons]

No, he's trying to wrap up other projects first.

[Darthphere]

Earliest prjection is for fall of this year, but thats wishful thinking really. I see Marvel getting some issues under their belts and releasing them starting next year frankly. But I also expect some YA one shots here and there like the World War Hulk tie-in.

[Red]

You know I bought "Family Matters" hardcover other the day and after reading it I take back everything I've said about Katie Bishop.

[Kevin]

Honestly, I hope allan is writing now. It doesn't matter if the artist is around at the moment. Jim can do the first whatever issues and then an artist can fill in for him. It has to be a good artist though. Nothing, if Allan is free, should be holding him up. Hell, even Bendis has issues under his belt in advance, I heard.

[Kevin]

You know I bought "Family Matters" hardcover other the day and after reading it I take back everything I've said about Katie Bishop.
What did you say about her?

[Colossal Spoons]

I hate that broad

[Eros]

Allan is a good wirter, and I like him, but get someone with more time to write the comic.

[Colossal Spoons]

Marvel's toying with the idea of drawing a larger crowd by hiring TV guys to write the books. I guess punctuality isn't a requirement.

[TheCorpulent1]

You guess? That hasn't been proven to you about ten or fifteen times over in the last year? :o

[Varient]

But why?:huh:

Please.
there was a time when the writer didn't even use his real name let alone accept help.

For me,.. you respect the premise and the character by showing that their adventures are the result of collaberation and consideration of more than one mind in relation to ideas and where the character is going,...


U already know this.

[Artistsean]

I read, maybe its been mentioned already, that Scarlet Witch is coming back to Marvel and that her stories will be mostly in Young Avengers.
So that means they will be back soon, and with more stories about Speed and Wiccan's family. And hopefully more abhout the other characters too.

[Red]

What did you say about her?

I hate that broad

She always seem to much of a plot-device to me, you know she's rich and she's skilled a sword and bow.

But after reading the special and Heinberg giving her a reason for all of her skills, I actually like the character.

[Colossal Spoons]

You guess? That hasn't been proven to you about ten or fifteen times over in the last year? :o

True :csad:

[Roma]

I read, maybe its been mentioned already, that Scarlet Witch is coming back to Marvel and that her stories will be mostly in Young Avengers.
So that means they will be back soon, and with more stories about Speed and Wiccan's family. And hopefully more abhout the other characters too.

That's exactly why I'm hoping for a vol. 2. When Wiccan mentioned finding his mother I got all exited. That should make an interesting story.

[necross20]

I've been missing these guys and i've actually been missing Wanda so i'll be glad when they get to bringing the new YA out.

[Artistsean]

I hope it starts soon, like this month or early next month.
and I hope it has the same artist and writer.

[spideyboy_1111]

No, he's trying to wrap up other projects first.

actually we're waiting on Jim Cheung now... Allan has been outlining and essentially "pre-writing" while he waits

[Silvermoth]

I hope it starts soon, like this month or early next month.
and I hope it has the same artist and writer.

Not likely. Never mind, you'll still get your YA fix during WWH when Jeph Loeb and David Finch write a one shot.

As for a direct continuation, I can't wait for the day it becomes reality. In my opinion, Heinberg writes the best Wanda Maximoff dialogue

[AndThePickles]

At this point, I can't even remember the last thing that happened in the actual YA book :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

actually we're waiting on Jim Cheung now... Allan has been outlining and essentially "pre-writing" while he waits

Everbody has conflicting info about who we're waiting on :cmad:

Fact of the matter is that Allan and Jim aren't sitting in a room high-fiving each other upon completing the next issue lol

[Kevin]

Speed looking sexy in his new outfit... Sorry, but that's the last thing I remember.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not likely. Never mind, you'll still get your YA fix during WWH when Jeph Loeb and David Finch write a one shot.
Yes, I'm literally drooling with anticipation over what the 'capable' hands of Loeb and Finch will bring to the Young Avengers.

Oh wait, that drool is actually from how long I've been gaping in disbelief at the fact that Marvel's going to let Loeb and Finch within twenty miles of the Young Avengers. :(

[Kevin]

Lol. I sometimes hate Finch.

[squeekness]

Finch is one of my faves, and Loeb is an excellent writer. I think our kids are in excellent hands. :) If they ever write anything of course...

[The Punisher]

Wasn't there a rumor saying this book was scheduled to return in the summer?

[TheCorpulent1]

Finch is one of my faves, and Loeb is an excellent writer. I think our kids are in excellent hands. :) If they ever write anything of course...
Loeb was an excellent writer. I love him for giving me The Long Halloween, but his work in recent years has been god-awful. Superman/Batman, anyone? :o

[The Punisher]

Loeb is also a great writer on the show Heroes.

[necross20]

Loeb was an excellent writer. I love him for giving me The Long Halloween, but his work in recent years has been god-awful. Superman/Batman, anyone? :o

Hasn't superman always been bad? :oldrazz:

[The Punisher]

Hasn't superman always been bad? :oldrazz:

The Action Comics title is the one that I think is bad imo. The Superman title has been pretty good.

[necross20]

The Action Comics title is the one that I think is bad imo. The Superman title has been pretty good.

Heh, I think im a tad biased when it comes to Superman. I've always hated him. Come to think of it, the only thing I like about the Superman world is Lex Luthor :woot:

[The Punisher]

Why the hate on Superman?

[necross20]

Why the hate on Superman?

I find him somewhat sanctimonious, whiney and overly good. I know that he's like the ultimate superhero but he really grates on me :oldrazz:

[The Punisher]

To each his own I guess.

[necross20]

To each his own I guess.

Heh indeed :)

[The Geek Vault]

Anybody else excited to see Patriot train to be the new captain america!

[Joker]

Loeb was an excellent writer. I love him for giving me The Long Halloween, but his work in recent years has been god-awful. Superman/Batman, anyone? :o

Hush was good...and honestly, I dont think anyone can write Batman/Superman well, he wasnt good on it, and no one else has been...and the Marvel Color one shots (DD: Yellow, etc) were all very good :o

[squeekness]

Anybody else excited to see Patriot train to be the new captain america!
Eh, Wiccan is more my favorite. :)

[spideyboy_1111]

Everbody has conflicting info about who we're waiting on :cmad:

Fact of the matter is that Allan and Jim aren't sitting in a room high-fiving each other upon completing the next issue lol

well i talked to allan a few weeks ago on myspace.. hes pretty prompt at responding to me

[Mogwai]

Wasn't there a rumor saying this book was scheduled to return in the summer?
man, i hope so.. it's been far too long.

[CaptainCanada]

Cheung's working on New Avengers: Illuminati, which is bi-monthly; #3 is due out in May, so #4 would follow in July, and #5 in September. So that's the earliest he could begin drawing Young Avengers.

[spideyboy_1111]

just because he has a book due out that month, doesnt mean he cant start the other though... esp when its just one book left

[deemar325]

I'm kinda at the point were I could care less about the YAs. I'm steadly losing interest in them.

[The Punisher]

man, i hope so.. it's been far too long.

Agreed. I really want the book to come back. But I guess we have to wait still.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm kinda at the point were I could care less about the YAs. I'm steadly losing interest in them.

Tis what happens when they drop out of the mainstream.

Like Alpha Flight.

[deemar325]

Tis what happens when they drop out of the mainstream.

Like Alpha Flight.

Outta sight, outta mind.


I'm really thinking Heinberg is a serious bum, and although Jim Cheung is a favorite I can do with someone else handling the art.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I can deal with someone actually writing good stories for them. Just because Heinberg has proven to do good work with them, doesn't mean he's the only one capable of it.


Oh, and for out of sight, out of mind examples... Did Ultimates 2 ever finish?

[deemar325]

Ult.?? huh? never heard of it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Ive noticed that the second paperback of the YA has come out..but its more expensive than the first.But its good news.

[hippy fascist]

I can deal with someone actually writing good stories for them. Just because Heinberg has proven to do good work with them, doesn't mean he's the only one capable of it.


Oh, and for out of sight, out of mind examples... Did Ultimates 2 ever finish?

May :dry:

[deemar325]

Ive noticed that the second paperback of the YA has come out..but its more expensive than the first.But its good news.


Does it have some extra material?

[spideyboy_1111]

no... hard backs are usually the only ones with extra material

[deemar325]

So Marvel just feeding off the carrion of the fans.

[spideyboy_1111]

no... most comics go hardback, then paper a few months later... and the hardback came out in october

[deemar325]

oh hmm.

[CaptainCanada]

The second trade has the Origins special, so it's seven issues, not six like the first one.

[spideyboy_1111]

you mean the annual? so did the hardback..

[Colossal Spoons]

May :dry:

Funny, I had totally forgotten that U2 hadn't finished. That's how long it's been :cmad:

[AndThePickles]

May :dry:

It'll be pushed back, I'm sure. :csad:

[hippy fascist]

It'll be pushed back, I'm sure. :csad:

thing is, this kind of thing is comercial suicide. If it takes Hitch SEVEN months to put out a monthly comic book, even if it sells 100'000 copies it's still only 10'500ish per month. Much better to get an artist who can still draw well but completes on time meaning a steady stream of say 50'000 copies per issue, but 50'000 per month. To keep employing hitch (especially when teamed with millar) is a perfect illustration of how little control and genuine business acumen marvel has these days :whatever:

If it wasn't for lazy ***** artists like hitch maybe they wouldn't have to resort to orgies of death and retcon just to shock readers into buying more books they don't want to make up the shortfall :o

[Artistsean]

Not likely. Never mind, you'll still get your YA fix during WWH when Jeph Loeb and David Finch write a one shot.



As for a direct continuation, I can't wait for the day it becomes reality. In my opinion, Heinberg writes the best Wanda Maximoff dialogue
Aw man, not the same artist and not the same writer. Well, maybe it could still be good. Winter Sodier #1 was good and it had them in it.

Anybody else excited to see Patriot train to be the new captain america!

Where did you hear that this would be happening? That would be pretty cool, I can see him training with Nick Fury, Winter Soldier, Josiax X, and maybe even his grandfather some.



Hey before Civil War, the Young Avengers had planned to go find Wanda but they also had a list of young Avengers. (Avenger offsprings and so on)
Now that Civil War has happened do you think this might become like the original X-Factor or the TV show Heroes, where they go on a search for the young Avengers on the list before SHIELD and Tony find them?

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought they registered after Cap surrendered.

[Anubis]

Yeah, they did.

[Artistsean]

They did?
Aw man. Couldn't they still go after that list in secret or something?
It would be a cool storyline.
Plus they mentioned it earlier in the comic, when they found Speed, are they just going to drop that idea?

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess they could still try to find their potentials and try to register them peacefully before Iron Fascist comes to kick their doors in. Work against the system from within and all. Kind of a useless agenda though; the newbs would still be drafted for Tony to deploy wherever he wanted.

[Artistsean]

Yeah, maybe they will hold off on the whole searching thing till things are back to normal.
You know, after the Initiative and WWHulk, and all that. I think that is going to be in like 5 years, hopefully only 3.


In a normal comic situation, like before the whole Civil War and House of M started, this would have been an awesome storyline. And if they weren't registered it would still be, rebels going to save potential heroes from getting signed and sending them to the rebellion.
I guess that idea could still work somehow.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Does it have some extra material?

Well,when i looked at the paperback`s description...it has issues 7-12,and the YA Special.

[spideyboy_1111]

So i got bad news for YA fans, Allan just messaged me back on Myspace


Justin! Great to hear from you. Thanks for the swell note. It's looking more and more like my GREY'S schedule will make it impossible for me to come back to YA this year. So, it's up to Marvel at this point. But if they're willing to wait for me, I'd love to come back after GREY'S.

That's the story. Hope you're doing well,
Allan

Co-write or move on i say .. sadly :(

[Darthphere]

This isn't anything new. We were told by Joey Q there would be no YA this year.

[The Geek Vault]

I miss my YA's

[Anubis]

I used to, but now I don't care anymore.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well this thread is a sight for sore eyes. This news doesn't even upset me.


I couldn't be more "MEH"

[The Geek Vault]

But the book was SO GOOD!

[RockSP]

If/when YA comes back...I wonder if they will continue the numbering like Astonishing X-men or will it be a new number 1 issue?

[spideyboy_1111]

ya the books are great, i just hope someone can carry on that greatness...

i say bring on a new writer, but let Allan over see it, maybe do a story outline.. kinda like being his own editor on the comic

[CaptainCanada]

If/when YA comes back...I wonder if they will continue the numbering like Astonishing X-men or will it be a new number 1 issue?
Quesada said a long time ago that it would be a new #1; but that was a long time ago, so who knows?

[spideyboy_1111]

young avengers season 2 was suppose to kick off right after season ones ending as well.. but i don't see that happening with all the events and time thats passed by since

[The Geek Vault]

I hope they continue it!

[spideyboy_1111]

o i have no doubt marvel will... theres only so long marvel will wait for Heinberg on this property

[Colossal Spoons]

But the book was SO GOOD!

Indeed it was. Easily my fav title back in the day.

[RockSP]

Indeed it was. Easily my fav title back in the day.

snicker..."back in the day"? You sound like the book was out in '82 or something...

[Colossal Spoons]

It feels like forever ago lol.

[The Geek Vault]

He's right ya know. I remember the only reason I got this book (I bought in on TPB a few months after the whole first arc had taken place) was because I was at the mall and had some extra cash and then I was hooked!

[Spidey]

It feels like forever ago lol.

For serious. The obscenely long hiatus on this book has made it feel like an old title from the early 90s.

Freakin' aye.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was excited to have Speed on the team then BAM! Vacation. :(

[spideyboy_1111]

well how long was Blackcat:EtMD on hiatus?

[Spidey]

I was excited to have Speed on the team then BAM! Vacation. :(

My sentiments exactly. :csad:

[Spidey]

well how long was Blackcat:EtMD on hiatus?

That was even worse, like three years.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine will be in stores soon too :dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

That was even worse, like three years.

wasn't it more?

YA at least has only been on hiatus for what? 1 and a half? or is it 2 ?

[Spidey]

wasn't it more?

It was about three years, maybe a little less. But that's still stupefyingly frackin' long.

[CaptainCanada]

wasn't it more?

YA at least has only been on hiatus for what? 1 and a half? or is it 2 ?
A little more than one year since the last issue was released, but the book's schedule was so erratic in the final arc it might feel longer.

[spideyboy_1111]

A little more than one year since the last issue was released, but the book's schedule was so erratic in the final arc it might feel longer.

a lil over a year isnt bad, Blackcat bad though..... is ridiculous

[Mogwai]

it's quite depressing..

[The Geek Vault]

where will they pick up? Right where they left off or will they agknowledge that time has passed?

[RockSP]

where will they pick up? Right where they left off or will they agknowledge that time has passed?

It seems to me they would have to acknowledge the passage of time. There's been the YA/Runaways mini plus their involvement in Civil War and The Initiative...

[Spidey]

a lil over a year isnt bad, Blackcat bad though..... is ridiculous

Kevin Smith got a lot of bad press with the fans for that, too. Don't know what took the guy so long to get his ducks in a row. But he's still Kevin Smith, so you can't hate him forever.

[RockSP]

But he's still Kevin Smith, so you can't hate him forever.

Wrong.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well,even though the Young Avengers comic is not around at the moment..have the characters been in other comics.In guest appearences?I heard some characters were in Civil War.

[RockSP]

Well,even though the Young Avengers comic is not around at the moment..have the characters been in other comics.In guest appearences?I heard some characters were in Civil War.

Uh...look two or three posts earlier...^^^

[AndThePickles]

Blah, I wish this comic would come back. Sucks :csad:

[CaptainCanada]

Well,even though the Young Avengers comic is not around at the moment..have the characters been in other comics.In guest appearences?I heard some characters were in Civil War.
During Civil War they had all kinds of cameos as members of Cap's resistance movement. The most significant appearances since the series ended:

- Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways; just what it sounds like; a four-part crossover starring both teams.
- Winter Soldier: Winter Kills; Patriot, Hawkeye, and Vision appear in this, and are used to great effect.
- Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America: Captain America; Patriot and Hawkeye are in this (and also the preceding chapter, in a cameo setting up their appearance here); there's a notable scene where Kate unknowingly encounters (and berates) her predecessor as Hawkeye (who's dressed up as Captain America).

[necross20]

I enjoyed the YA/Runaways crossover, probably more than the actual Civil War.

[TheCorpulent1]

During Civil War they had all kinds of cameos as members of Cap's resistance movement. The most significant appearances since the series ended:

- Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways; just what it sounds like; a four-part crossover starring both teams.
- Winter Soldier: Winter Kills; Patriot, Hawkeye, and Vision appear in this, and are used to great effect.
- Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America: Captain America; Patriot and Hawkeye are in this (and also the preceding chapter, in a cameo setting up their appearance here); there's a notable scene where Kate unknowingly encounters (and berates) her predecessor as Hawkeye (who's dressed up as Captain America).
I kind of wish Clint had punched her. :(

[Spidey]

I kind of wish Clint had punched her. :(

Kind of? :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I am a reasonable man. :o

[Spidey]

I'll be honest and say I wish he'd decked that little snot right in the kisser.

[TheCorpulent1]

That would've been funny.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I kind of wish Clint had punched her. :(

Especially since she berated him for the same thing she did.

"He was already dead, I'm honouring him."

"Umm... dumb *****? What the hell do you think I'm doing?"

[Colossal Spoons]

I need to see how the team reacted to Stature's betrayal :cmad:

[LouFerignoDemon]

It wasn't a betrayal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Changing your mind is a betrayal during adolescence.

[spideyboy_1111]

well hulkling and wiccan seem to be working at the initiative now.. unless the artist messed up..


personally the kids are pretty mature, i don't think they will consider it a betrayl... if any.. it will prob be one person, most likely patriot lol

[Colossal Spoons]

It wasn't a betrayal.

Changing your mind is a betrayal during adolescence.

I bet the team wasn't all "Sure Cass, we'll hang out later".