Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[BrianWilly]

Sure seemed like a betrayal to me, unless you have another word for it. And it would seem especially moreso to her friends.

[spideyboy_1111]

it all goes out the window now that half the team is with the initiative... speed and vision havent been seen for a bit... but as it stands the only non registered ones look to be kate and patriot

im sure all will be answered in the WWH issue coming up

[BrianWilly]

It's probably not going to be answered until Heinberg gets his lazy ass in gear. Patriot and Hawkeye were in the latest issue of Fallen Son being all not arrested at Cap's funeral so it's possible that they've joined the Initiative by this point as well.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's probably not going to be answered until Heinberg gets his lazy ass in gear. Patriot and Hawkeye were in the latest issue of Fallen Son being all not arrested at Cap's funeral so it's possible that they've joined the Initiative by this point as well.

so no ones going to care then that she switched

[BrianWilly]

Frankly? Nothing would make me happier than if Heinberg just ignored the entire past year of continuity at Marvel and just did whatever the heck he originally planned.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, that'd be a sight

[spideyboy_1111]

Frankly? Nothing would make me happier than if Heinberg just ignored the entire past year of continuity at Marvel and just did whatever the heck he originally planned.

it could happen, though it couldnt have any status qou changes. but Whedon is pretty much doing that with astonishing

[Arkady Rossovich]

Did some or all of the Young Avengers choose sides during Civil War?

[spideyboy_1111]

during CW only cassie

[Anubis]

Dude,they all a chose side. She chose the Pro Reg after Goliath got killed, and the others stayed anti.

[spideyboy_1111]

i miss read, i thought he was askin if someone switched

[Anubis]

That's understandable.

[Darthphere]

It would've been cool to see some more of Kate and Eli living with the New Avengers.

[CaptainCanada]

Sure seemed like a betrayal to me, unless you have another word for it. And it would seem especially moreso to her friends.
She switched sides, but I wouldn't use the word "betrayal." That, to me, sort of implies that she scurried away in the middle of the night with classified information on the team. What she actually did was tell Cap and co. (and Kate specifically) to their faces that she couldn't carry on, turned, and left.

[Artistsean]

Maybe they will restart Young Avengers with a few new replacements, keeping Patriot and Kate on the team, and maybe Vision II. Then they could add a few new ones.
Remember earlier in Young Avengers Vision mentioned that there were many Young Avengers on the list that Iron Lad used to find Patriot, Wiccan, and Hulkling.

That would be fun. To see a young Wonder Man type or something.
Then maybe even later, somehow, the others could return to the team as well.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sure seemed like a betrayal to me, unless you have another word for it. And it would seem especially moreso to her friends.


Why bother? Nobody really doesn't use much reason, it'd be fairly pointless for me to explain.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Changing your mind is a betrayal during adolescence.

That's why that guy called me a traitor when I decided not to shoot that person after all. :(

I bet the team wasn't all "Sure Cass, we'll hang out later".


Of course not, there's hurt feelings. But not betrayal.

[The Geek Vault]

Will Hulkling stay with the Hulk name? I bet he'll try to fight hulk! I actually brought this up at comic con and they said we will see Hulklings reaction to all this which is what I'm most pumped for.

[BrianWilly]

Why bother? Nobody really doesn't use much reason, it'd be fairly pointless for me to explain.Nobody really doesn't use much reason means that...a lot of people use reason.

That's why that guy called me a traitor when I decided not to shoot that person after all. :(If you told someone that you were on his side and then switch to the other side, you're betraying the original side. And that's not even considering the fact that you then proceed to actively impede your original teammates after the switch.

You're way stretching. Not to mention slipping. Cassie may have had all the best reasons in the world to switch sides midway, and it'd still be considered a betrayal. Same as Peter Parker still being a traitor to his side even if he had the most understandable, most logical reasons in the megaverse to turn on his team. There's no sugarcoating this.

[spideyboy_1111]

Will Hulkling stay with the Hulk name? I bet he'll try to fight hulk! I actually brought this up at comic con and they said we will see Hulklings reaction to all this which is what I'm most pumped for.

WWH has nothing to do with hulkling.. hes no part hulk

[The Geek Vault]

WWH has nothing to do with hulkling.. hes no part hulk
But his name is Hulkling and his inspiration is hulk, hence why he looks like the hulk, he could look like anyone if he wanted but he chose the hulk. There is a YA/WWH crossover one shot coming out and I want to see Hulklings reaction for instance will he keep the Hulkling name?

[Darthphere]

It's not coming out.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's not coming out.

Surprise

[PhotoJones]

Just like Volume 2 of the main series.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not coming out.
Yeah, it is. It has to. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Just like Volume 2 of the main series.

That hurts

[Darthphere]

Yeah, it is. It has to. :o

It's not.

[PhotoJones]

That hurts

They say the truth does....

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not.
Whatever, liar. :whatever:

[spideyboy_1111]

But his name is Hulkling and his inspiration is hulk, hence why he looks like the hulk, he could look like anyone if he wanted but he chose the hulk. There is a YA/WWH crossover one shot coming out and I want to see Hulklings reaction for instance will he keep the Hulkling name?

hulkling is in name only now, he hardly looks like a hulk anymore.. hes just green (like a skrull) and has his scales...

[necross20]

He'll probably keep the name anyway, it's not like the Hulk is doing anything bad right now.

[Spidey]

He'll probably keep the name anyway, it's not like the Hulk is doing anything bad right now.

Nope, just being the Hulk, really.

[necross20]

Nope, just being the Hulk, really.

Yup, now with more of a reason than normal.

[spideyboy_1111]

i think they will keep his name, just because its kinda catchy.... i love it i wouldnt change it if i was him

[Spidey]

i think they will keep his name, just because its kinda catchy.... i love it i wouldnt change it if i was him

I've gotta say, Hulkling is the only Young Avenger with a codename that I actually like. The only ones I don't approve of are Stature and Wiccan, and the rest I could take or leave, but Hulkling has a nice ring to it.

[necross20]

I've always liked the Vision's name :oldrazz:

[Spidey]

I've always liked the Vision's name :oldrazz:

Well yeah, sure. Vision and Hawkeye have always been swell codenames, but they don't technically belong to the Young Avengers. I still wish Kate had chosen her own freakin' name.

[necross20]

Well yeah, sure. Vision and Hawkeye have always been swell codenames, but they don't technically belong to the Young Avengers. I still wish Kate had chosen her own freakin' name.

I actually like her name, Kate I mean. I don't see why superhero's can't just use their own names from time to time.

[spideyboy_1111]

I've gotta say, Hulkling is the only Young Avenger with a codename that I actually like. The only ones I don't approve of are Stature and Wiccan, and the rest I could take or leave, but Hulkling has a nice ring to it.

i like wiccan, i think it sounds kinda cute.. much better then asgardian

[Spidey]

I actually like her name, Kate I mean. I don't see why superhero's can't just use their own names from time to time.

That's DC's gimmick, though. Passing down the mantle. Marvel has always been more original in terms of character individuality and diversity. I really feel like Kate needs her own name.

[Spidey]

i like wiccan, i think it sounds kinda cute.. much better then asgardian

Yeah, better than Asgardian, that's for sure.

[necross20]

That's DC's gimmick, though. Passing down the mantle. Marvel has always been more original in terms of character individuality and diversity. I really feel like Kate needs her own name.

Mrs Hood isn't taken. Marion refused to takes Robins last name. Problem solved.

[spideyboy_1111]

in all fairness.. vision is still vision, he's just in a younger body, and has a dif voice

[Spidey]

Marion refused to takes Robins last name.

Ungrateful #$%&.

[necross20]

in all fairness.. vision is still vision, he's just in a younger body, and has a dif voice

But he's cuter than the older vision, this one smiles.

Ungrateful #$%&.

Oh she is, it's why he eventually divorced her.

[Spidey]

in all fairness.. vision is still vision, he's just in a younger body, and has a dif voice

Well, I'm sure there's a trace of the original Vision's consciousness in the new body, but this one's mind and personality are modeled after Iron Lad's brainwave patterns. The original was based off the brainwaves of Wonder Man.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, I'm sure there's a trace of the original Vision's consciousness in the new body, but this one's mind and personality are modeled after Iron Lad's brainwave patterns. The original was based off the brainwaves of Wonder Man.

ya... but his brain is still him, just personality isnt

[necross20]

Makes you wonder if he's capable of turning into a Kang-Robot or summit equally retarded.

[Spidey]

Makes you wonder if he's capable of turning into a Kang-Robot or summit equally retarded.

With the kind of stuff Marvel has been pulling lately *COUGHSKRULLCOUGH*, he's practically capable of turning into a purple pocodotted bunny rabbit with ganja sticking out of its ears at any given moment.

[necross20]

And let's not wonder where that story might lead...

[TheCorpulent1]

ya... but his brain is still him, just personality isnt
No, it's not. The current Vision gets his operating system and some data from the previous Vision, but his body and brain comes from Iron Lad's armor and his mind and personality come from Iron Lad's brain engrams. The previous Vision's body and brain were duplicates of the original Human Torch's and his mind and personality were based on the engrams of Wonder Man and Alex Lipton. Different bodies, different minds, different personalities = different characters. They are entirely separate characters except for their operating systems and the data contained in their databanks. That creates similarities between the two, but it doesn't make them different versions of the same being.

[necross20]

It should give him the capabilities or urges to perform certain acts, like the urge to time travel and conquer some less civilized races.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, that's later Kang's mind at work. When Kang was still Iron Lad, he was a pretty good egg.

[necross20]

Young Kang stabbed daddy Kang with a sword, im thinking he's at least a little cracked.

[Colossal Spoons]

I miss Iron Lad :(

[Kitsune]

I miss Iron Lad :(

I miss him too, he kept my cloths pressed and wrinkle free.

[TheCorpulent1]

Young Kang stabbed daddy Kang with a sword, im thinking he's at least a little cracked.
For the sake of his friends' survival and his own continued existence as an independent being. Greater heroes have done worse for less.

[necross20]

True. However he did have to be forced into returning to his own timeline even after his friends were being ripped from the timeline.

[spideyboy_1111]

No, it's not. The current Vision gets his operating system and some data from the previous Vision, but his body and brain comes from Iron Lad's armor and his mind and personality come from Iron Lad's brain engrams. The previous Vision's body and brain were duplicates of the original Human Torch's and his mind and personality were based on the engrams of Wonder Man and Alex Lipton. Different bodies, different minds, different personalities = different characters. They are entirely separate characters except for their operating systems and the data contained in their databanks. That creates similarities between the two, but it doesn't make them different versions of the same being.

by brain i ment mind... mind for a computer would be his data banks ;)

[The Geek Vault]

True. However he did have to be forced into returning to his own timeline even after his friends were being ripped from the timeline. Would YOU want to go back in time to turn into a villain?

[The Cajun]

I miss Iron Lad :(

I miss the Young Avengers :csad:

[The Geek Vault]

I miss the Young Avengers and the Classic Avengers and Tom Cruise pre Katie Holmes

[TheCorpulent1]

by brain i ment mind... mind for a computer would be his data banks ;)
Neither of the Visions are simply computers. They're as much living beings as any human. About a dozen stories or more have been devoted to showing that in the original Vision's case, and since the current Vision's mind has a similar format to his predecessor's, it's more than likely true of him, as well. There is nothing of the old Vision's essence or soul or whatever you want to call it in the new one; they're different entities.

[necross20]

Would YOU want to go back in time to turn into a villain?

If my friends were fading around me, I'd do it without any thought. Plus the idea of me being evil doesn't phase me so im not too bothered about that aspect of it anyway.

[Darthphere]

If my friends were fading around me, I'd do it without any thought. Plus the idea of me being evil doesn't phase me so im not too bothered about that aspect of it anyway.

What the Hardball?:huh:

[Kitsune]

I miss Tom Cruise I would suggest you aim lower and use DPUs.

[Anubis]

Has somebody hijacked Darth's account?

[Darthphere]

Has somebody hijacked Darth's account?

You knowz it.

[necross20]

What the Hardball?:huh:

Heh, I meant I'd not give being evil a second thought if my friends were currently suffering because of me.

[TheCorpulent1]

Even though you'd then have to inflict suffering on others?

[necross20]

Evil is a pretty relative term at the best of times, causing the people you love/like to suffer still might bother you if you are "evil." Kang hated everyone but im sure he had some friends he loved and stuff >.>

[TheCorpulent1]

He created the Silver Centurion as his "son" but then had no problem at all killing him off and starting over with a new clone whenever one of them proved unsatisfactory. I'd say that level of callousness with sentient lives is evil no matter how you look at it.

[necross20]

It really would depend on what you consider to be evil behaviour. Im pretty flexible with what it could be or mean and in some cases there are big enough reasons to explain ones actions.

[Kevin]

Even though you'd then have to inflict suffering on others?
The idea seems fun.

[Galact-Gal]

It really would depend on what you consider to be evil behaviour. Im pretty flexible with what it could be or mean and in some cases there are big enough reasons to explain ones actions.

Well, what about Corp's example. Kang fathered Marcus, who became the second Scarlet Centurion and was helping his father invade present-day Earth. Kang was defeated and captured by the Avengers. Instead of being ruthless enough to abandon his father and take his place (as Kang expected him to do), Marcus rescued Kang. Once again in power Kang executed Marcus for having betrayed him at an earlier point in the war. Then it was revealed that that Marcus was one of a series who apparently kept failing to meet Kang's standards (and therefore kept getting killed by Kang).

[The Geek Vault]

Time Travel is a B*tch!

[necross20]

Well, what about Corp's example. Kang fathered Marcus, who became the second Scarlet Centurion and was helping his father invade present-day Earth. Kang was defeated and captured by the Avengers. Instead of being ruthless enough to abandon his father and take his place (as Kang expected him to do), Marcus rescued Kang. Once again in power Kang executed Marcus for having betrayed him at an earlier point in the war. Then it was revealed that that Marcus was one of a series who apparently kept failing to meet Kang's standards (and therefore kept getting killed by Kang).

I guess failure has it's price, each "judge" has a different verdict on how to punish that person.
Tha main point is that Iron Lad was watching his friends fade and refused to go back to become Kang, not only that but the entire time stream was being changed and it clearly wasn't for the best. If he had stayed in the present and not became Kang, his first act would have been to obliterate the people he cares about from the time stream, not exactly the best start for a superhero. He should have gone back (and of course he did blah blah) because it would have at least given him the sense of salvation that he needed. He did some good, that's sometimes enough.

[Darthphere]

http://cache.libsyn.com/wordballoon/WBallanheinberg2.mp3

Interview with Heinberg. Cat says he'll probably be out of comics for another year.:csad:

[PhotoJones]

**** that ho. :o

[Darthphere]

He says a lot of good stuff though. He makes it pretty clear that he is ready for the YA to move on without him and that those one shots are pretty much trial runs for a new ongoing.

[PhotoJones]

**** those one-shots. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

YA, CSpoons, and the world are ready to move on w/o him. I hope a new writer can do the book justice and I hope Grey's Anatomy burns in hell :heart:

[PhotoJones]

The first season of Grey's was the shizznit. :up:

[Darthphere]

No, it was just ****.

[Colossal Spoons]

No, I get my hospital fix between Scrubs and House.

[Darthphere]

No, I get my hospital fix between Scrubs and House.

ER was pretty tight last season with The Stamos.

[PhotoJones]

No, it was just ****.

No, I get my hospital fix between Scrubs and House.

I sucks balls now, but Season One? I was addicted. :up:

[Darthphere]

I sucks balls now, but Season One? I was addicted. :up:

You're such a woman sometimes.

[Colossal Spoons]

Would we trust Wells to continue YA?

(Wells wrote the YA/Runways crossover, right?)

[PhotoJones]

You're such a woman sometimes.

You watched ER, dude. Only women and older women watch that show. :o

[Darthphere]

Would we trust Wells to continue YA?

(Wells wrote the YA/Runways crossover, right?)

Eh, he didn't exactly blow me away dude.

[Colossal Spoons]

Eh, he didn't exactly blow me away dude.

Nobody else comes to mind :(

[Darthphere]

You watched ER, dude. Only women and older women watch that show. :o

That's because the Stamos is hot.:huh:

[PhotoJones]

That's because the Stamos is hot.:huh:

Not anymore, dude. That guy's a unsmooth drunkard these days.

[Darthphere]

Not anymore, dude. That guy's a unsmooth drunkard these days.

Unsmooth isn't even a word. And you're wrong, except for his belly button.

[PhotoJones]

Unsmooth isn't even a word. And you're wrong, except for his belly button.

John Stamos is so unsmooth, the word was invented just for him and his withered mojo.

[Darthphere]

Everyone needs a hater.

[PhotoJones]

John Stamos earned himself legions of haters when he showed up ****ed up out of his mind on an early morning Australian talk show and wouldn't stop grabbing the host's breasts. :up:

[Darthphere]

John Stamos earned himself legions of haters when he showed up ****ed up out of his mind on an early morning Australian talk show and wouldn't stop grabbing the host's breasts. :up:

Thats just more Stamos awesomeness. Ben Affleck did the same thing.

[PhotoJones]

Yes, that's awesome. :down

[Darthphere]

Yes, that's awesome. :down

You're such a prude, he probably did her 5 minutes later. Did she sue him or anything?

[PhotoJones]

You're such a prude, he probably did her 5 minutes later. Did she sue him or anything?

He's banned from the entire network, as per her request. :o

[Darthphere]

He's banned from the entire network, as per her request. :o

That's probably because he couldn't get it up.:csad:

[PhotoJones]

No, it's probably because he's an unsmooth dickbag.

[Darthphere]

Dude, please, stop typing unsmooth.

[PhotoJones]

Unsmooth.

[Darthphere]

Bastard, you're an unsmooth dickbag.

[PhotoJones]

I made no claims to contrary. :confused:

[Darthphere]

Stop fondling women.

[PhotoJones]

Wow, you're really reaching, huh?

[Darthphere]

Wow, you're really reaching, huh?

No, you are, for that women's breast.:dry:

[PhotoJones]

Look, I'm sorry your hero Stamos is really an unapologetic jerkwad.

[Colossal Spoons]

Have mercy!

[PhotoJones]

I'm sure that woman wished he did. :(

[AndThePickles]

Damn, and here I thought there was gonna be YA news, but instead I find John Stamos :csad:

[Darthphere]

Mercy on her vagina.

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, and here I thought there was gonna be YA news, but instead I find John Stamos :csad:

There's news...and it sucks

[CaptainCanada]

So, basically, unless there's a strike, Heinberg is never coming back, and Marvel is trying to decide who should handle the series from now on.

[Varient]

I miss the Young Avengers :csad:

Me too.

U kinda wish that Marvel would just do the same thing they used to do with Spiderman,... throw any ol' artist / writer combo in there.

I think it would still sell.

[Anubis]

They should let Cebulski take over.

[PhotoJones]

That'd be good. Cebulski, Wells or Gage would all be good. I bet, though, that Marvel will go a completely direction and get a big name instead of a practical name, and we'll get a nice 6-12 issue series with another 3 year gap to follow.

[Galact-Gal]

Big names like Millar and Hitch. No, wait! They're supposed to be doing the Fantastic Four (616 version). DO NOT WANT!!! :csad:

[PhotoJones]

I was thinking Whedon. He seems to be the big name you throw at books about young heroes to make them worse, right?

[Galact-Gal]

Hey, yeah. The last few issues of YA got on a rather Whedonesque schedule, didn't they? The fans would be used to it. :yay:

[Kevin]

Nobody else comes to mind :(
Doesn't matter who comes on board, the series will change.

[Anubis]

Yeah, well, change is the state of all things.

[Kevin]

I was thinking Whedon. He seems to be the big name you throw at books about young heroes to make them worse, right?
NO!!! Oh go no. Anyone but him, I am sick of his writing.

[Kevin]

Yeah, well, change is the state of all things.
I meant the characters. They may stay the same, but they won't act it. JUst a feeling. and I was all about the characters, as this was a character driven book.

[Anubis]

That remains to be seen. Depends on who takes over.

[Kevin]

Point.

[The Geek Vault]

Guys, I miss my YA's...
Whatever happened to that WWH tie-in they were supposed to have?

[KangConquers]

I miss YA...it's time they bring Kang back...and do their little love triangle...so he can get on with conquering, and such.

[KangConquers]

possible spoiler if you haven't read them all yet.

Wiccan and Speed
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/AvengerFamilyTree2copy.jpg

I'd like to see Rick Jones interact with Hulking, he shared bodies with both Hulkling's father and half brother, he is sort of his Uncle or something.

Could you explain a few of these...the whole chunk with Ultron/ Vision/ Wonderman/ Kang is confusing as ****.

[RockSP]

They should let Cebulski take over.

Indeed. Hopefully Cheung will return.

[KangConquers]

Indeed. Hopefully Cheung will return.

Cheung was great. Drew possibly the best Kang ever. Drew great Kree, and a great Mr. Hyde as well.

[Dread]

Cheung was great. Drew possibly the best Kang ever. Drew great Kree, and a great Mr. Hyde as well.

I thought Mr. Hyde showed up for DiVito's fill in issues.

Anyway, the way Marvel has allowed YA to languish is bordering on insane. Even when Heinberg was on it, it rarely sold above the Top 30-35, which is great but hardly blockbuster numbers (in contrast, Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN always lands in the Top 10-15 so at least sticking with that late creative team is more justified). Wells and Caselli in their CW mini with YA/RUNAWAYS sold about as well as Heinberg/Cheung towards the end. That should have proven to Marvel that while Heinberg is a talent, the audience is more interested in the characters than the creator on it. I mean, they had the kids show up in a Brubaker one-shot after all. Marvel in a way knows this, but doesn't take the logical step and assign a new ongoing before it gets too late.

The market is very, very, VERY hostile to new or B-List characters (if you consider Cassie Lang B-List when she popped up here) and this franchise has shown strength at every turn, yet it subsists with guest appearances and random mini's, which have done abolsutely nothing to boost Namor or Dr. Strange in about a decade.

Marvel, for once in their damned existence, has got to see Hollywood types for what they are. Time and time and time and time again they invest faith, money, and fan expectations into Hollywood creators and more often than not it leads to late issue, issues that never ship, or franchises left in limbo (no one mentions DAREDEVIL: TARGET #2 anymore). Yet every time Marvel seems like they willingly allow themselves to be stepped on to indulge Hollywood ego trips just to feel "cool" about themselves. Have some self respect for yourselves, man.

Heinberg produced a franchise that has actually proven to be able to sell without either him or Cheung on interiors. That is a good thing. Run with it. Allow Heinberg to send in a sheet or two of long term goals for his characters and credit him as a co-planner or something. If he can't even do that, then forge onwards before the spark the YA have is gone. Trust me, the direct market can be very, very fickle. They haven't had an ongoing it, what, two years and counting? That can be forever in comics. Besides, Cheung seems willing to stick with Marvel as he is on ILLUMINATI and likely could be counted on for some issues (although never as a solo monthly, so the title would need another artist or two waiting to pick up the slack after some 1-2 issues). But these characters have, again, been drawn by other people and the audience responded well.

Allowing a franchise to squander it's potential in the ever fleeting, ever unreasonable and unrealistic expectation that the ever-busy Hollywood-man will ride in on a horse again to do another 12 issues is downright silly, and it makes Marvel look desperate to be considered "in". If after several blockbuster movie franchises, monthly beatings of DC on the sales charts, mass media attention for unmaskings and deaths of characters, a return to small screen animation, and successful DTV sales, if they STILL feel they need to bend over backwards for Hollywood flake-heads, they have serious ****ing issues.

Young, non X-Superheroes have usually been a ghetto for Marvel. NEW WARRIORS tanked in the 90's and even a relaunch now is seemingly relying on past X-People more than past NW's so far. YOUNG AVENGERS is too big an oppurtunity to waste on a man who at best can't produce one actual comic book in a year. You'd think with Marvel pimping out Avengers stuff like it was their prettiest new whore, they'd have figured this out by now.

Find a stable, capable, reliable creative team and roll the dice with a second volume. Random mini's are just teases. Have some ****ing balls for once, Marvel. And some self respect.

[The Geek Vault]

Good News I just got a new comic reader hooked on YA's bad new... there's been no YA's for months!

[KangConquers]

I thought Mr. Hyde showed up for DiVito's fill in issues.

Anyway, the way Marvel has allowed YA to languish is bordering on insane. Even when Heinberg was on it, it rarely sold above the Top 30-35, which is great but hardly blockbuster numbers (in contrast, Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN always lands in the Top 10-15 so at least sticking with that late creative team is more justified). Wells and Caselli in their CW mini with YA/RUNAWAYS sold about as well as Heinberg/Cheung towards the end. That should have proven to Marvel that while Heinberg is a talent, the audience is more interested in the characters than the creator on it. I mean, they had the kids show up in a Brubaker one-shot after all. Marvel in a way knows this, but doesn't take the logical step and assign a new ongoing before it gets too late.

The market is very, very, VERY hostile to new or B-List characters (if you consider Cassie Lang B-List when she popped up here) and this franchise has shown strength at every turn, yet it subsists with guest appearances and random mini's, which have done abolsutely nothing to boost Namor or Dr. Strange in about a decade.

Marvel, for once in their damned existence, has got to see Hollywood types for what they are. Time and time and time and time again they invest faith, money, and fan expectations into Hollywood creators and more often than not it leads to late issue, issues that never ship, or franchises left in limbo (no one mentions DAREDEVIL: TARGET #2 anymore). Yet every time Marvel seems like they willingly allow themselves to be stepped on to indulge Hollywood ego trips just to feel "cool" about themselves. Have some self respect for yourselves, man.

Heinberg produced a franchise that has actually proven to be able to sell without either him or Cheung on interiors. That is a good thing. Run with it. Allow Heinberg to send in a sheet or two of long term goals for his characters and credit him as a co-planner or something. If he can't even do that, then forge onwards before the spark the YA have is gone. Trust me, the direct market can be very, very fickle. They haven't had an ongoing it, what, two years and counting? That can be forever in comics. Besides, Cheung seems willing to stick with Marvel as he is on ILLUMINATI and likely could be counted on for some issues (although never as a solo monthly, so the title would need another artist or two waiting to pick up the slack after some 1-2 issues). But these characters have, again, been drawn by other people and the audience responded well.

Allowing a franchise to squander it's potential in the ever fleeting, ever unreasonable and unrealistic expectation that the ever-busy Hollywood-man will ride in on a horse again to do another 12 issues is downright silly, and it makes Marvel look desperate to be considered "in". If after several blockbuster movie franchises, monthly beatings of DC on the sales charts, mass media attention for unmaskings and deaths of characters, a return to small screen animation, and successful DTV sales, if they STILL feel they need to bend over backwards for Hollywood flake-heads, they have serious ****ing issues.

Young, non X-Superheroes have usually been a ghetto for Marvel. NEW WARRIORS tanked in the 90's and even a relaunch now is seemingly relying on past X-People more than past NW's so far. YOUNG AVENGERS is too big an oppurtunity to waste on a man who at best can't produce one actual comic book in a year. You'd think with Marvel pimping out Avengers stuff like it was their prettiest new whore, they'd have figured this out by now.

Find a stable, capable, reliable creative team and roll the dice with a second volume. Random mini's are just teases. Have some ****ing balls for once, Marvel. And some self respect.

That wasn't Cheung. I apologie.

The Young Avengers, was founded on a lower A-list villain and some no name new characters. It had no right to be as good as it was, but it was that good anyway. Having Kang didn't hurt, since he'd had about 2 or 3 really great arcs (Avengers Forever is a top 5 favorite arc of mine), but the real stars were the kids.

I can't wait for the next season. I wonder how old Iron Lad will be when he comes back, and how far along he'll be in becoming Kang.

[Savage]

I just bought the entire run yesterday (which...really isn't saying much at all) including the Civil War tie in. Good stuff. It's still in it's baby stage but it's a good start. I want to see these guys really work well as a team and start hitting the big time. Right now even the Runaways seem more organized than them.

Besides, I'm a Patriot fan (coolest. costume. ever!) and want to see him really cut loose with that supersoldier blood in his system. And I wanna see some Patriot'n Hawkeye action. :D

[CaptainCanada]

So, any thoughts on who should do the fifth issue of the miniseries, which will presumably be Kate and Cassie? Artists for the various stories?

Although he's probably too busy, I'd love to see Mike Perkins do Brubaker's issue with Patriot.

[PhotoJones]

I want Lee Weeks. He did an awesome job with The Young Avengers in that Winter Soldier special.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is Cassie even still a member of the team at this point? She sold out to Iron Man's side in the Civil War.

[PhotoJones]

Hulkling and Wiccan apparently left, too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless She-Hulk's canon. ;)

[PhotoJones]

Which I really hope it is not.

[Savage]

Yeah, it's gonna be difficult with only 3 members left. I wonder how they're going to deal with this conflict. Cassie will probably be forgiven by most of the team. Doubt Patriot will be for it though. He'll probably keep rubbing Cap's death in her face or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see Hulkling and Wiccan having any problem getting back on the roster, at least. They signed up with the Initiative because they acknowledged that they'd lost the war and, if they wanted to get back to just being heroes and helping people, they'd need to register. They're just following Captain America's example, really, and putting the needs of others before any misgivings they may have about working under the government's auspices.

[Savage]

That's what I'm thinking. Plus Cassie's probably feeling terrible right now about Cap's death so she'll probably rebel and join back up with the team. Animosity between her and Patriot ensues and as a result with Patriot and Hawkeye, etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, teenagers and angst go together well if the right person's writing. Otherwise it just becomes tiresome.

[PhotoJones]

Would you consider Invincible to be angsty?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I haven't read it in years. It's on my trades list.

[PhotoJones]

You don't read Invincible?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not regularly. I lost track of it at some point and figured I'd just catch back up in trades, but I never did.

[PhotoJones]

Damn. :(

[CaptainCanada]

Is Cassie even still a member of the team at this point? She sold out to Iron Man's side in the Civil War.
The entire team is registered at this point; but, yeah, they're going to have to deal with the consequences of that (which I really don't think she can be blamed too much for; she only joined because she didn't want to get blasted through the chest by a murderous clone of Thor).

[RockSP]

The entire team is registered at this point;

When did Patriot, Hawkeye, Speed and Vision register? I know most of them were on the cover of Initiative #1 but that doesn't really mean much...

[TheCorpulent1]

Kate and Patriot aren't registered. They're hiding out with the New Avengers. Speed and the Vision have been completely absent from everything since YA/Runaways, I think.

[CaptainCanada]

When did Patriot, Hawkeye, Speed and Vision register? I know most of them were on the cover of Initiative #1 but that doesn't really mean much...
Vision is registered because Iron Man said so in Might Avengers #1.

The whole team shows up at Cap's funeral in Fallen Son: Iron Man, which they couldn't do if they weren't registered, since the New Avengers don't attend for the same reason (Falcon even calls attention to them during his eulogy, so everybody knows they're there).

[RockSP]

The whole team shows up at Cap's funeral in Fallen Son: Iron Man, which they couldn't do if they weren't registered, since the New Avengers don't attend for the same reason (Falcon even calls attention to them during his eulogy, so everybody knows they're there).

Forgot about that.

[deemar325]

Unless She-Hulk's canon. ;)


DAN SLOTT IS CANON!!!!

Wiccan and Hulking are good to go, I wanna lnow whants up with Patriot and Kate(I refuse to call her Hawkeye)Bishop.

[TheCorpulent1]

Vision is registered because Iron Man said so in Might Avengers #1.

The whole team shows up at Cap's funeral in Fallen Son: Iron Man, which they couldn't do if they weren't registered, since the New Avengers don't attend for the same reason (Falcon even calls attention to them during his eulogy, so everybody knows they're there).
But Iron Man tries to arrest Patriot and Kate in another one of those same Fallen Son issues. :confused:

[RockSP]

But Iron Man tries to arrest Patriot and Kate in another one of those same Fallen Son issues. :confused:

Forgot about that, too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dang, you gotta reread that shizzle, son. :o

[deemar325]

Amazing even in the same storyline and series of books dedicated to Cap's death Marvel still can't keep its continuity straight.

[TheCorpulent1]

To be fair, I don't remember if Iron Man wanted to take Patriot and Kate in for being unregistered or under suspicion that they were aiding the New Avengers. Either way, they shouldn't have been able to attend Cap's funeral without getting caught.

[deemar325]

Either way their needs to be some kind of account for whos registered on not.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the standing rule is: if they appear in the Initiative, they're registered.

[PhotoJones]

What's up mother****ers, I just bought a house.

[Savage]

Wow that was random. Congrats. :up:

[PhotoJones]

Thank you.

[Savage]

How big we talkin'? How many rooms? Come on dude. Don't leave us hangin'.

[deemar325]

What's up mother****ers, I just bought a house.


Congrats and your mom says "Hi!"

:cwink:

[PhotoJones]

I'm a little tipsy, so bear with me...4 bedrooms, finished basement, hardwood floors throughout, back deck, 2 car garage, exposed beams, central air, working wood fireplace, 2 full bathrooms and finished attic. It's across the street from a big park and a block from a local farmer's market, coffee shop and my comic book store.

[Savage]

Holy ****. Very nice. That's just about perfect. :up:

[deemar325]

Sounds like a good deal PhotoJay I'm happy for you truly buddy.

[deemar325]

So uh..when do I move in we can share the wives.

[PhotoJones]

Holy ****. Very nice. That's just about perfect. :up:

Sounds like a good deal PhotoJay I'm happy for you truly buddy.

Thanks, guys. :up:

Here are some tiny photos from the realtor website:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/songsaboutohio/1081620q.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/songsaboutohio/1081620q2.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/songsaboutohio/1081620q4.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/songsaboutohio/1081620q5.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/songsaboutohio/1081620q6.jpg

And yes, those are built in bookshelves in the second photo. *swoon*

[Savage]

Not to mension the fireplace. It's houses like that that make me consider moving out of the city. :oldrazz:

[PhotoJones]

Not to mension the fireplace. It's houses like that that make me consider moving out of the city. :oldrazz:

Yeah, the fireplace works, too. I can't wait for the crisp autumn day where I put on my manly flannel and chop some wood to heat the house. And it's deceptively close to downtown; about a 10 minute drive.

[deemar325]

Sweet!

Ya' know I just realized how much I've been pussified since I've been married. I'm "swooning" over a freakin' house with such nice space and built in bookshelves and hardwood floors and ....what happened to Me!?



Sweet Jesus, 18yr old me, I miss you. *sniff*

[PhotoJones]

Hardwood floors are my god.

[deemar325]

Yeah they are, hardwood floors nice.


Urrm..uh yeah so yard work is gonna be a bit@#h, looks like your gonna have a sizeable lawn *I AM MAN!*

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, the backyard is pretty big. I can't wait to do yardwork and actually give a **** because it's my yard. ;)

[deemar325]

Yeah well its what a man of the homestead is supposed to do, because your the MAN and you run things and you don't have to ask your wife if you can buy Halo3.

Fak yeah! We run this!

[PhotoJones]

Deemar, you should buy the house nextdoor. We'll drink beer and play video games WHILE we're doing yardwork.

[deemar325]

Honestly I'd have to ask my wife. :dry:

[PhotoJones]

Ouch. :(

[deemar325]

Truthfully she runs the show.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Is Domestic Bliss between two men and their wives possible?

[CaptainCanada]

But Iron Man tries to arrest Patriot and Kate in another one of those same Fallen Son issues. :confused:
Before the funeral. They register to attend.

[Dread]

Would you consider Invincible to be angsty?

Not usually. I mean he does stress over life problems and whatnot, like girls, Viltrumites, etc., but usually stays positive about it. Or tries to. INVINCIBLE is a book that switches from high drama to some tongue-in-cheek comedy so it balances out. But, no, Invincible isn't a character who, at the moment, who could list "moping" as a hobby. He mopes when it is appropriate but hasn't overdone it, yet. And it usually isn't the same thing. Like currently he is moping about Amber and school, and not, say, about his father so much. It isn't like Rogue, obsessing about the same issue for 20 years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Before the funeral. They register to attend.
I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. I just figured Loeb overlooked the detail.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, the backyard is pretty big. I can't wait to do yardwork and actually give a **** because it's my yard. ;)

Yeah, I'll never care about yardwork :o

[Majik1387]

Exactly how many trade paperbacks of this comic are there at the moment?

[Darthphere]

18.

[Majik1387]

Are you serious? :wow:

[Darthphere]

Yeah, there are like 266 issues.

[Majik1387]

Is the 18 including any tie in to other books?

[TheCorpulent1]

There are 2 trades, dude. Then there's a Young Avengers/Runaways trade that covers their tie-in to Civil War. Ignore everything Darthphere says.

[Savage]

Aw. I was having a good laugh too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Someone's gotta throw the nubs a lifeline in the cold, windy squall that is the Hype. :o

[PhotoJones]

Ignore everything Darthphere says.

Everything, all of the time. :up:

[Majik1387]

There are 2 trades, dude. Then there's a Young Avengers/Runaways trade that covers their tie-in to Civil War. Ignore everything Darthphere says.
Ok, thank you. I'm more of a New X-Men reader but my friend told me Young Avengers is worth reading.
Everything, all of the time. :up:
lol ok
Aw. I was having a good laugh too.
:whatever::oldrazz:
Someone's gotta throw the nubs a lifeline in the cold, windy squall that is the Hype. :o
:cmad: I'm not a nub/noob/n00b/newbie/etc. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

You're a Young Avengers nub. :oldrazz:

[PhotoJones]

Nub? Like, a stubby growth?

[Darthphere]

Damn, you guys suck.

[PhotoJones]

No, YOU suck. That's kind of the whole point.

[Darthphere]

If messing with "nubs" is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[TheCorpulent1]

Good, 'cause you're not. :up:

[Darthphere]

That really didn't make much sense.

[Eros]

when is the next...."Season" of this book comeing out?

[TheCorpulent1]

Whenever Marvel decides to hire a new writer for it.

[Darthphere]

It made as much sense as anything around here.

So none.

[Eros]

Whenever Marvel decides to hire a new writer for it.


Hollywood doesn't want to write the book anymore?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he wants to make money.
So none.
Possibly.

[Upset Spideyfan]

If messing with "nubs" is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

I lol'd.

[ang_hulk]

got excited when i saw this thread back,thought someone heard somthin

[Darthphere]

We did.

[Kitsune]

If messing with "nubs" is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

You're looking for "nubs" in all the wrong places.

[TheCorpulent1]

Darthphere can't quit nubs.

[ang_hulk]

what did you hear?

[Alex Summers]

what did you hear?

Are you talking about the 'nubs' or Young Avengers?

[PhotoJones]

I heard Dartphere's a virgin.

[Darthphere]

I own stocks in Virgin.

[PhotoJones]

Wow, that sucks. You're about to lose a ****-ton of money.

[Darthphere]

Wow, that sucks. You're about to lose a ****-ton of money.

I'm a venture capitalist dude, you win some, you lose some.

[PhotoJones]

And in the end, you're right back at zero. Way to be. :up:

[KangConquers]

So how about them Young Avengers?

[Darthphere]

I always hated dudes like that.

"What do you do?"

"I buy companies."

"Ok...."

[KangConquers]

I always hated dudes like that.

"What do you do?"

"I buy companies."

"Ok...."

what issue of YA was that in?

[Darthphere]

#11 Tony Stark tells Kate Bishop that.

[KangConquers]

#11 Tony Stark tells Kate Bishop that.

oh really now.

[Upset Spideyfan]

#11 Tony Stark tells Kate Bishop that.

But that's what he does. :huh:

[KangConquers]

But that's what he does. :huh:

He does all sorts of things.

[KangConquers]

edit: Double post.

Hey...1984...my birth year...hahaha

[GoldenAgeHero]

seriously tho, when is the nextseason starting?

[CaptainCanada]

The miniseries starts in January, and from Heinberg's recent interview I took it that Marvel is looking at the results of that to see what to do with the series proper.

[Eros]

Heinberg is a greedy fool, does he want to be a television producer/writer or a comic book writer he needs to make up his mind.

[CaptainCanada]

He did. He said that he's told both companies that, unless there's a strike, he'll never do monthly comics again, instead doing limited stuff that won't be solicited until he's done.

[KangConquers]

He did. He said that he's told both companies that, unless there's a strike, he'll never do monthly comics again, instead doing limited stuff that won't be solicited until he's done.

And Marvel is sacrificing Kang to his little whims *shakes fist*

[deemar325]

He did. He said that he's told both companies that, unless there's a strike, he'll never do monthly comics again, instead doing limited stuff that won't be solicited until he's done.

When was this?

If its true its a little late for him to be taking the high horse since he's the cause of Wonderwoman's lateness and still no YA.

He's an asshat.

[Colossal Spoons]

when is the next...."Season" of this book comeing out?

http://www.searchingforagem.com/FlyingPig.gif

[BrianWilly]

When was this?

If its true its a little late for him to be taking the high horse since he's the cause of Wonderwoman's lateness and still no YA.

He's an asshat.Seriously. Maybe he should have thought of those things before he signed contracts to make not just one, but two commitments that he obviously couldn't keep.

[deemar325]

Funny thing is he's a good writer, just to caught up smelling his own ****e.

I'd be happy if he never works in comics again, Heinberg has broken his trust with me and many others. If your newbie to writing comicbooks its in your best interest to put your best foot forward and he blew it.

[deemar325]

http://www.searchingforagem.com/FlyingPig.gif


LOL!:woot:

[CaptainCanada]

When was this?

If its true its a little late for him to be taking the high horse since he's the cause of Wonderwoman's lateness and still no YA.

He's an asshat.
Newsarama interview a couple of days ago.

[spideyboy_1111]

DAN SLOTT IS CANON!!!!

Wiccan and Hulking are good to go, I wanna lnow whants up with Patriot and Kate(I refuse to call her Hawkeye)Bishop.

What issue was the hulking wiccan in of she-hulk? and what was the story of why they were in it?

[spideyboy_1111]

ps. i think im updating my hulkling costume for this halloween

[Majik1387]

ps. i think im updating my hulkling costume for this halloween
I've been debating going as Wiccan.:oldrazz:

[PhotoJones]

ps. i think im updating my hulkling costume for this halloween

I've been debating going as Wiccan.:oldrazz:

:heart: