Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well,im rather excited.Im going to get a Young Avengers TPB from my local dealer,i should get it in about 3-5 days.From what i hear,this is a real good comic.I also decided to give a new theme a chance,and see what it could be like.

Ill be sure to put up my thoughts here,since i did not see a thread that was ment to talk about the Young Avengers,i might as well make one.I hear that the YA will be cancled,and relaunched.Details?

Discuss the Young Avengers series,questions may also be put here.

[Kevin]

not complaining, but dont we already have obne of these threads?

[Kevin]

and if we're gonna start ANOTHER new thread, at least do it up. explain what the young avengers are. who they are and what they can do, just like what they do with the offical threads in the x-men section on this site

[Kevin]

sorry if i seem testy today. my computer is being a sluuty whore.

[Eros]

i wish i could go along with this, but i think Young avengers is basically a vastly less interesting rip off of the more popular Teen Titans from DC.

[Kevin]

really? i think not. they're completly different in everyway. biggest difference? teen titans comes out on time. also i like them both. i'd like teen titans even more if they had a gay character though.

[kiuju2k]

Actually to me it starts off pretty meh... I wanted more from patriot but, it seems i will the when the next issue comes out.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Wiccan is pretty cool. I hate how the Vision is a "kid". Hulkling is a Skrull!! GOD!! I've been waiting for a Skrull mainstream hero. Hawkingbird, she's meh. Feels like a typical "non powered hero, but full of leadership potential and confidence" that just kind of feels overdone here. CASSIE LANG!!! Oh dear Lord in heaven, yes. And to back that up... Patriot. Grandson of the original Cap'n America. Or at least the only surviving original Captain America.
And the speedster guy? Eh. Don't care. Don't really care too much about his relation to Wiccan either.

But I wish they'd bring Iron Lad back. He was my fave, and he's ALREADY gone.

But another good point, is that the homosexuals are guys. Rather than the current trend where it seems like every single new team has to have a lesbian or bisexual woman on the team. Including Runaways, Outsiders, and the Secret Six. But how many gay guys, eh? Just Young Avengers. Yeah, most people will say that's a dumb reason. But it feels like lesbians just seem to be surging into the comic books.

[ang_hulk]

i still try to read kangs face as he watched his former team mates,was he angry,did he miss it? i dont know.I know this is one of the top ten best books out though.

[Kevin]

Wiccan is pretty cool. I hate how the Vision is a "kid". Hulkling is a Skrull!! GOD!! I've been waiting for a Skrull mainstream hero. Hawkingbird, she's meh. Feels like a typical "non powered hero, but full of leadership potential and confidence" that just kind of feels overdone here. CASSIE LANG!!! Oh dear Lord in heaven, yes. And to back that up... Patriot. Grandson of the original Cap'n America. Or at least the only surviving original Captain America.
And the speedster guy? Eh. Don't care. Don't really care too much about his relation to Wiccan either.

But I wish they'd bring Iron Lad back. He was my fave, and he's ALREADY gone.

But another good point, is that the homosexuals are guys. Rather than the current trend where it seems like every single new team has to have a lesbian or bisexual woman on the team. Including Runaways, Outsiders, and the Secret Six. But how many gay guys, eh? Just Young Avengers. Yeah, most people will say that's a dumb reason. But it feels like lesbians just seem to be surging into the comic books.lesbians? Boooo:down :) j/k... sorta...

[supermarvelman]

Young Avengers is not a Teen Titans rip off.

Why because there teens, DC fans always think that Marvel is biting off there ****.

[Slim31]

I don't know much about these Young Avengers but can someone explain what the hell the Vision is doing there. I was one of the happiest people(why? cause I hate robots/android) when I saw She-Hulk rip his ass in half, now he's back? WTF?!?!

[Artistsean]

whatever happened to that create new Young Avengers threads?
I liked that, making Black Panther Jr. and guys like that.

[BrianWilly]

Who's a lesbian in the Outsiders:confused:?

Someone remind me; when exactly is the new YA coming out again? It feels like it's been months...which, it has:(.

[Darthphere]

June 28th.


And Young Avengers is not a Teen Titans rip-off. You can say influenced but pretty much everything in comics ripped off someone else.

[GNR]

i wish i could go along with this, but i think Young avengers is basically a vastly less interesting rip off of the more popular Teen Titans from DC.

Not a rip off at all.

Can't believe it ends next Wednesday.Oh well,at least Mark is using them in CW.

[supermarvelman]

I would like Eros to explain exactly how YA is a TT rip-off

[TheCorpulent1]

They're teenage heroes with identities modeled on adult heroes who band together to form a team. That's basically the same description as Teen Titans. Young Avengers is doing different things with the concept, though, just like Squadron Supreme is doing different things with the basic JLA concept, the Sentry is doing different things with the Superman concept, etc. Right now Young Avengers is kicking the Teen Titans comic's ass in quality, too.
I don't know much about these Young Avengers but can someone explain what the hell the Vision is doing there. I was one of the happiest people(why? cause I hate robots/android) when I saw She-Hulk rip his ass in half, now he's back? WTF?!?!
It's the original Vision's operating system with Iron Lad's brain engrams instead of Wonder Man's. So he's basically Vision 2.0. And if you really hate robots that much, it sounds like you're not reading Young Avengers anyway, so it shouldn't be much of a problem for you.

[Darthphere]

He must not be reading much of anything.

[Tropico]

He's probably just watching "Alien" over and over and now has taken Ripley's distaste for androids to himself.:confused:

[GNR]

Anyone get #12 yet?

[Darthphere]

Nah, I have to wait a couple of days. Damn direct deposit.

[MyPokerShirt]

I hate how defensive DC fans get. People actually started saying how Infinite Crisis was ripped off with Civil War on other boards. How are they ANYTHING alike?? And as i sed before, Marvel created the summer crossover so meh to them.
And the same to those that say Young Avengers is a rip-off of Teen Titans. I think somebody should put proper bios of the characters on here, because i love this book. A half kree/half skrull hulk jnr who happens to be the son of Captain Marvel. Scarlet Witches long dead twins. A black super soldier. And some unique relationships on top of a teenage vision. It just kicks ass. Who cares if Teen Titans had youngsters first. Wasn't bucky like the original sidekick?So maybe marvel has more rights to a "sidekick team" than you think

[Colossal Spoons]

Anyone get #12 yet?

Aw man, I just turned the page to see you-know-who in uniform and I'm sooooo pumped! :D:D The codename could use a bit of work but i'll take it. The universe needs more of his kind anyway.

[MyPokerShirt]

Hopefully the Young Avengers will last for years and some will become full Avengers and we can see them grow like Nova and Spider-Man. Now that'd be cool. I think Hulkling will end up being a major player in future marvel cosmic events.

Heck - ronan, super skrull, hulking mini-series after annihalation anyone? :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Hopefully the Young Avengers will last for years and some will become full Avengers and we can see them grow like Nova and Spider-Man. Now that'd be cool. I think Hulkling will end up being a major player in future marvel cosmic events.

Heck - ronan, super skrull, hulking mini-series after annihalation anyone? :p

Lucy in the Sky from Runaways too ;)

[Spectre722]

Some spoliers but not too many...

Young Avengers is not a Teen Titans rip-off. I like both titles, they're two of my top picks every month. The problem is since Teen Titans was the original teenage/sidekick team book, every other teen team book that has ever been created since then is compared to it. So what if they're both teen team books? I don't care as long as that's the only similarity. Now if say, it turned out Patriot was the clone of Cap and Baron Zemo and he went crazy and tore apart his whole team...then I'd say yeah it's a ripoff. But as long as the books have different storylines, different characters, and different events...then I'm okay with two teen team books.

Now as for the gay debate. I, personally, have no problem with homosexual people at all. Nor do I have a problem with two comic book characters in a homosexual relationship. People against this say that these books are aimed mainly at younger audiences and that this subject matter is inappropriate for that age level. Meanwhile people in this exact same MTV's Real World and Road Rules, both of which often feature homosexual cast members. The way I see it homosexuality is a part of our global culture, some people may not like it but it is the truth.

Now as for the issue itself. Number twelve, the final issue of the "first season," has been an issue I've been anticipating for a while now, because of the bi-monthly schedule. Also because, going into this I knew this would be my last issue of Young Avengers, since I'm moving a way to Syracuse University in less than two months. To way I was not dissapointed would be an understatement. This last issue contained just the right balance of action and non-action. The first half of the book consisted of a series of unbelievable splash pages and battle scenes, beautifully rendered by my favorite artist, Jimmy Cheung. And kudos to Allan Heinberg who gives his characters a chance to shine by putting each Young Avenger side by side with a New Avenger. Stature and Spider-Man. The newly dubbed Hawkeye and Spider-Woman. Tommy Shepherd and Wolverine. Wiccan and Captain America, who also has a nice moment with Patriot too. Vision and Iron Man. Hulkling and Cage. One concern of mine is the characterization of the Super-Skrull. In the beginning of this arc he commited what seemed like the unforgiveable act of killing Hulkling's "mother." However from then on it seems Hulkling and the Super-Skrull have no problem with each other and are more than willing to cooperate with each other. In fact it's this ability to cooperate that puts a stop to the action in a very clever fashion. Then it's off to the hospital to check on Eli. Well, we all knew it would happen once he got shot at the end of last issue so this little "plot twist" was no real big shocker, but that doesn't make it any less of a good development in the story. Later a very poingant moment between Wiccan and Hulkling in the ruins of Avengers Mansion. And finally a great reveal for the final fate of Tommy Shepherd. Like the codename, Speed. Short, simple, to the point. Like the costume, nice shout out to Quicksilver's oldschool costume. And of course there's the obligatory final splash page of the team bravely charging forward into action, once again beautifully rendered by Jimmy Cheung.

My only comment to Marvel is somebody please get a hold on all the crazy Skrull action going down in the MU. You've got a renewed Kree/Skrull War, a Kree/Skrull hybrid, and the Super-Skrull in Young Avengers. Super-Skrull has his own mini for Annhilation. There's Titanus over in Marvel Teamup. And then there's the hot lesbian Skrull over in Runaways. I've even heard rumors of a new Skrull Kill Krew title.

So long Young Avengers. I'll miss you but I enjoyed the time we had together.

[Colossal Spoons]

Now as for the gay debate. I, personally, have no problem with homosexual people at all. Nor do I have a problem with two comic book characters in a homosexual relationship. People against this say that these books are aimed mainly at younger audiences and that this subject matter is inappropriate for that age level. Meanwhile people in this exact same MTV's Real World and Road Rules, both of which often feature homosexual cast members. The way I see it homosexuality is a part of our global culture, some people may not like it but it is the truth.

1. :up::up:

2. I forget that Teddy and Billy are gay sometimes so it can't be that big of a focal point in the book.

3. The sooner kids realize that gay people exist in the world, the better IMO.


Now as for the issue itself. Number twelve, the final issue of the "first season," has been an issue I've been anticipating for a while now, because of the bi-monthly schedule. Also because, going into this I knew this would be my last issue of Young Avengers, since I'm moving a way to Syracuse University in less than two months.

Not gonna be able to afford comics when you get on campus?

[MyPokerShirt]

The gay thang:all they do is flirt and have flirty arguments and flirtily act like best friends!! not exactly hardcore. i think the book knew its boundaries and i think its totally cool that they went the way they did in the first place. it adds some good comic elements. when they wanted to "come out" as heroes, having to change his name from Asguardian (i didnt even realise the pun. i struggled to find it. seriously.) to Wiccan. :up: Just adds more brilliance to the book

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, the Asguardian thing took me way too long to get but I got a hell of a chuckle out of it.

[Spectre722]

Not gonna be able to afford comics when you get on campus?

That and I just think it's a good time to move on and start over.

[Colossal Spoons]

That and I just think it's a good time to move on and start over.

Move on from YA, or comics alltogether?

[WildCard]

I dont like Kate taking the name Hawkeye especially cause im pretty sure the Mystery DD in DD is hawkeye

[Kevin]

so tommy's staying? YES! YES! OH GOD YES!!

[Spectre722]

Move on from YA, or comics alltogether?

comics altogether

[Darthphere]

Today is Allen Heinberg's birthday, according to his Myspace.

[Varient]

I enjoyed it,...

Period.

[squeekness]

The gay thang:all they do is flirt and have flirty arguments and flirtily act like best friends!! not exactly hardcore. i think the book knew its boundaries and i think its totally cool that they went the way they did in the first place. it adds some good comic elements. when they wanted to "come out" as heroes, having to change his name from Asguardian (i didnt even realise the pun. i struggled to find it. seriously.) to Wiccan. :up: Just adds more brilliance to the bookI agree with this. To me, it only added to the appeal that they were different and have to deal with this aspect of their lives as well as being mutants/alien progeny. I really enjoy this book, I think it's a little bit better than New X-men which I also like (except when they killed off my faves...). But as a teen group goes, I find this book delightful, even though I am a much older reader.

[squeekness]

especially cause im pretty sure the Mystery DD in DD is hawkeyeIf only this was true. Nothing would please me more. :) But I'm not that optimistic.

[Doc Destruction]

Great series, but the delays really hampered it for me. TPB might be the way to go for it.

[GNR]

I didn't like how Eli's transformation was rushed.He's in the bed getting a transfusion from grandpoppa,then in the next scene,he's alive and well carrying a statue.Kind of rushed,I was hoping for a nice moment between Eli and Isaiah,but Heinberg barely gets a complaint from me,so I'll let it slide.

[deemar325]

Yeah it was rushed, but it's better than anything New Avengers can muster.

[MyPokerShirt]

does anyone else think noone can get spider-man right? it annoyed me that he struggled with 3-4 skrulls but yet hawkeye was kicking their butts. if it was the super skrull i could understand but cmon.. spider-man can press like 20tonnes.redic.

[deemar325]

Spidey is level 10 tons Strength.

[hippie_hunter]

i wish i could go along with this, but i think Young avengers is basically a vastly less interesting rip off of the more popular Teen Titans from DC.

Young Avengers feels more like Young Justice than Teen Titans.

Patriot, Stature, Iron Lad, Wiccan, Hulkling, the Vision, Speed, and Hawkeye may be inspired by their Avengers counterparts but they are their own heroes on their own part.

Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Speedy, Kid Devil, and Ravenger are mostly sidekicks that receive a lot of mentoring from their Justice League counterparts.

[MyPokerShirt]

Spidey is level 10 tons Strength.

nope, the queen (some spider-queen lady [didnt read it, myself], not the queen of britain :)) boosted it. plus there's the other. but he's at least 15tonnes and most fans seem to think 20? something like that. there's no official word after his recent upgrades. tho im sure he'll be back down to 10 by next year :( And anyway, he can still take on 3-4 skrulls easy, imo. but whatever, spidey sucks as an avenger

[Dread]

nope, the queen (some spider-queen lady [didnt read it, myself], not the queen of britain :)) boosted it. plus there's the other. but he's at least 15tonnes and most fans seem to think 20? something like that. there's no official word after his recent upgrades. tho im sure he'll be back down to 10 by next year :( And anyway, he can still take on 3-4 skrulls easy, imo. but whatever, spidey sucks as an avenger
The SPIDER-MAN 2005 Handbook seems to state that after his meeting with The Queen in 2004, his strength was in the 15 ton level. After THE OTHER, most fans presume 20 tons. Not that you'd know it from a lot of the stories, though. How often has he even used a lot of his new powers, even the ones JMS himself gave him?

BTW, YA #12 was incredible. Anyone who wants massive spoilers can read the BOUGHT/THOUGHT. Its a great comic that I'll miss terribly on its 9 month haitus. So few Marvel comics offer honest legacy heroes, and honest superheroics without feeling the need to apologize for 'em.

[MyPokerShirt]

ok, being a total noob here (maybe im just not geek enough). what's a legacy hero? put simply enough i woulda thought its someone who has a history in the superhero world. eg/ teddy's dad being captain marvel and him being conceived somewhere within the story of avengers vol1 #94.thort i shud check tho..

[Dread]

ok, being a total noob here (maybe im just not geek enough). what's a legacy hero? put simply enough i woulda thought its someone who has a history in the superhero world. eg/ teddy's dad being captain marvel and him being conceived somewhere within the story of avengers vol1 #94.thort i shud check tho..
A "legacy hero" is a hero who is taking on the superhero mantle from a previous barer. Usually when this happens, the previous hero was a family relation, but not always. DC is usually the company that has more of them, especially with Flash and Green Lantern. Marvel has very few of them because they're hesitant to have any teenage heroes grow up and become bonafide superheroes, as DC has done to a few incarnations of Teen Titans.

And for those who feel that "legacy heroes" somehow don't fit or "aren't realistic", note that many of us choose our professions based on what a parent or relative did, especially with fire-fighters, cops, and soldiers. Most of them had someone in their family tree who was a fireman, a cop, or a soldier. But it goes to other professions, like doctor, lawyers, etc. So why not superheroes?

[MyPokerShirt]

^yeah and it makes more sense than someone random picking up the mantle. it does possibly not work well with grabbing new fans, however.if theres a whole history but based on someone else's exploits, then i can c why someone would fear getting confused. luckily enough this series was very well written and despite not being an avengers fan at all, all the kang, super soldier, kree/skrull stuff was easy to pick up on armed with just my general knowledge of the marvel universe :up: Great series

[Spectre722]

the first arc of young avengers, in my opinion, rates up there as one of my all time favorites next to the likes of identity crisis. a fun oldschool superhero romp with plenty of action, cool costumes, time travel, twists, and hero vs. hero action. its just pure fun, spiced up with some small emotional moments that really glue it together.

anyway, after that little two part piece of trash, i was very worried that the next arc wouldn't live up to the first one. the first issue was a little bland for me and i was starting to give up. then the rest of the story just blew me away.

[PWN3R]

I agree with this. To me, it only added to the appeal that they were different and have to deal with this aspect of their lives as well as being mutants/alien progeny. I really enjoy this book, I think it's a little bit better than New X-men which I also like (except when they killed off my faves...). But as a teen group goes, I find this book delightful, even though I am a much older reader.


.................

I remember telling you countless times in the OT thread to read this, and you'd just ignore me. After days of telling you, finally Spec told you, and you got into.

You are welcome.


:p

[Colossal Spoons]

comics altogether

Wow, sorry to hear that. I dunno what'd make ya feel like it was time to do that but good luck in school :up:

[MyPokerShirt]

when's the young avengers/runaways mini-series/ civil war tie-in? is it out now?

[deemar325]

nope, the queen (some spider-queen lady [didnt read it, myself], not the queen of britain :)) boosted it. plus there's the other. but he's at least 15tonnes and most fans seem to think 20? something like that. there's no official word after his recent upgrades. tho im sure he'll be back down to 10 by next year :( And anyway, he can still take on 3-4 skrulls easy, imo. but whatever, spidey sucks as an avenger

I stand corrected, I guess?

[Arkady Rossovich]

Ive been reading some of the older issues of YA.Mainly the TPB:Sidekicks,who`s idea was it to make Patriot black?When i first saw that he was black,i was suprised.

[BrianWilly]

Probably Heinberg's idea, seeing as how he created the character:confused:.

[Darthphere]

Ive been reading some of the older issues of YA.Mainly the TPB:Sidekicks,who`s idea was it to make Patriot black?When i first saw that he was black,i was suprised.


Why does it matter?:confused:

[deemar325]

Ive been reading some of the older issues of YA.Mainly the TPB:Sidekicks,who`s idea was it to make Patriot black?When i first saw that he was black,i was suprised.

You are truly a racist, I knew it before, but even questioning it solidifies it in my mind.

So a black person can't assume an patriotic identity now I guess?


How about you shut your trap. :mad:

[LouFerignoDemon]

You are truly a racist, I knew it before, but even questioning it solidifies it in my mind.

So a black person can't assume an patriotic identity now I guess?


How about you shut your trap. :mad:

Dude, that's a heavy accusation to make.

It's a fair question in it's own right. Some people can say it causes it's own plot device, since he's the only black person on that team, AND he's the leader. So that would kind of be a race clash thing, since a big perceived race problem is that black people aren't usually in the lead of anything. I sure in the hell can't think of any teams led by a black person in comics right off the top of my head. But that wasn't what he was asking, he was just asking who's decision it was. He didn't even follow it up with, "Because it's a dumb idea" or anything. He just said he was suprised, since most people associate the "patriotic" gesture as being caucaisan with blue eyes and either black or blonde hair. Though maybe he never read Truth, where the original Captain America(s) were a bunch of black test subjects.

I hate how when someone poses a question like this, they get labelled IMMEDIATELY as a racist by someone. It's irrational at best.

*Awaits her own flaming.*

[deemar325]

I know what your saying, but Jour has a history of saying offensive remarks especially about blacks. Guy has a mad on for insulting blacks.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I guess I haven't seen them myself.

[deemar325]

I've known him (on SHH) for awhile now and he definately has problems with black superheroes among other things.

[LouFerignoDemon]

But to add to the thread, I'm disliking the typical "Impuslive character is making the lead character jealous and nervous by openly going after his girl on the team."

[deemar325]

Speed going after Kate?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Oui. Speed going after Kate. It just feels so stereocast of a team to have a stricter guy having a much more liberal type girl on the team, and always feeling alienated, because some other guy on the team OBVIOUSLY is going after her, and at first glance, seems to have more in common with her, AND always seems to be shoving it in the other guy's face.

Such as, "If you went with me to there, I'd take you to so and so" basically one upping the initial stricter guy.

[Kevin]

Dude, that's a heavy accusation to make.

It's a fair question in it's own right. Some people can say it causes it's own plot device, since he's the only black person on that team, AND he's the leader. So that would kind of be a race clash thing, since a big perceived race problem is that black people aren't usually in the lead of anything. [B]I sure in the hell can't think of any teams led by a black person in comics right off the top of my head.[B/] But that wasn't what he was asking, he was just asking who's decision it was. He didn't even follow it up with, "Because it's a dumb idea" or anything. He just said he was suprised, since most people associate the "patriotic" gesture as being caucaisan with blue eyes and either black or blonde hair. Though maybe he never read Truth, where the original Captain America(s) were a bunch of black test subjects.

I hate how when someone poses a question like this, they get labelled IMMEDIATELY as a racist by someone. It's irrational at best.

*Awaits her own flaming.*
STORM when she was in the x-men

[LouFerignoDemon]

True, I forgot about her doing that one. Didn't last though. Patriot's going to be more to the Young Avengers as Captain America is to the Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have yet to see that. Kate's been taking charge much more effectively than Patriot so far.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oui. Speed going after Kate. It just feels so stereocast of a team to have a stricter guy having a much more liberal type girl on the team, and always feeling alienated, because some other guy on the team OBVIOUSLY is going after her, and at first glance, seems to have more in common with her, AND always seems to be shoving it in the other guy's face.

Such as, "If you went with me to there, I'd take you to so and so" basically one upping the initial stricter guy.

Sounds like Lost. The whole Jack-Kate-Sawyer thing. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I have yet to see that. Kate's been taking charge much more effectively than Patriot so far.

Kate's taking charge only AFTER Patriot basically decided to quit, and it took the entire team to basically beg him to come back. But it's a damn good chance they'll have a Cap/Iron Man team leader thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kate took charge before she even had a costumed identity, right in the first arc. She saved Patriot's life, in fact, and then forced herself onto the team and started putting her say in on major decisions shortly after. Then, when the others were ready to disband, it was Kate who got new costumes and the idea to switch code-names.

I do agree that they'll probably end up co-leading once Patriot finds his confidence again and becomes accustomed to his new powers, though.

[LouFerignoDemon]

People, including Kate, alluded that the leader SHOULD be Patriot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Out of respect for Patriot and concern for the fact that it looked like he might not come back to the team at all. Every indication in the comics so far has been that Kate is the more competent leader, though. She would've just been taking one for the team to restore Patriot's confidence by handing leadership over to him.

[LouFerignoDemon]

He was also the original leader of the team before Kate and Cassie joined. And made the decision they wouldn't be on the team. Kate took charge, and basically did her own thing despite what Patriot saikd, where the rest of the team just accepted her and Cassie, which leads to the current point, where he has no confidence. So he hasn't even had adequate time to be a leader, since he hasn't been on the team for pretty much HALF the series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Still, could you ever see Captain America or Cyclops or any of the other great leaders getting overwhelmed so easily by an outsider and just rolling over and effectively handing them leadership of their team? I'm not saying Patriot couldn't be a great leader, I'm just saying that up 'til now, what we've seen shows Kate to be a better one.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Aside from the fact he's brand new to the super hero thing? Wouldn't that be saying a bit much that he should already be able to handle serious stress, while trying to live up to the idolism of the original Captain America, knowing he was lying to his entire team about his powers. Then being found out as a fraud, debasing his earlier "heroic acts" of busting MGH smugglers? That and he's only all of seventeen years of age maybe coming from the "streets" where if weakness was detected, you usually are the whipping boy and unrespected? That's kind of a huge demand you put on him when you compare him to long time tested leaders who've dealt with this stuff for years, against a rather inexperienced kid.

I don't see Captain America doing that because he's battle hardened as a several year leader of the Avengers and several military divisions. And Cyclops has always been thrown into heavy situations as a leader, so has experience.

Kate hasn't had too many problems with her team to face any serious problems that would really put a wrench into her being the leader. She and Patriot are both natural leaders, the difference is, is that Kate basically has control of a team that's rather mild mannered, with not conflict. And I've already explained the situation where Eli basically had to keep on the straight face, while trying to keep his team from having to worry about him because of his lack of true superhuman traits.

And basically, in the last picture of their latest issue, the picture was drawn with Patriot obviously heading up the team, and everybody following him.

[Kevin]

HA!! i remember when most of you were like "it's obvious the vision is gonna join the team and be their mentor/learder" and such like "just like the red tornado was for--" i'm not EVEN gonna name the "other" team. i'm just glad most of you were wrong. and in any case, Eli is the Poster boy leader meaning that he looks like a leader, acts like a leader, seems to be a leader, and IS the leader... or at least suppose to be. if anything he's the leader and Kate in Second in command, it's just that since he's been having his "problems" kate's had to step up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whatever, I don't really think it's fair to call Patriot the leader when he hasn't actually led the team for more than two or three issues and he was pretty ineffective when he did lead, as opposed to Iron Lad, who led the team initially, and Kate, who's led the team through most of the major crap they've been through. I don't see where this burning need to pigeonhole Patriot in the leader position simply because his costume resembles Captain America's is coming from, especially when the comics don't support it. In time he may grow to be the permanent leader of the Young Avengers, but right now he's a co-leader at best as far as I'm concerned.

[Kevin]

I Like Kate Better As Leader

[TheCorpulent1]

I like her as leader for the irony of it. Hawkeye always wanted to lead the Avengers, but Cap was just hands-down better at it, so he never really got the chance. Meanwhile, in the next generation, the Hawkeye analogue is much more capable and in control right off the bat than the Captain America analogue could hope to be, or so it seems right now. Kind of a nice, karmic justice to it, I think.

[UK_Stu]

I agree. Kate makes a great leader, why assume Patriot will be a better leader, because of his Captain America affiliations. Plus I like the irony of a Hawkeye in charge.(though Clint was pretty successful as leader of the West Coast Avengers, shame he was lumbered by crumbly team,)

[KAD]

Ive been reading some of the older issues of YA.Mainly the TPB:Sidekicks,who`s idea was it to make Patriot black?When i first saw that he was black,i was suprised.


It made perfect sense to me and brought the truth story back into the limelight.


An underrated comic if there ever was one

[Arkady Rossovich]

What exactly is Iron Lad`s connection to Kang?Kang himself said that he told a past version of himself,about his future.The young Kang refused to become evil,and decided to go back in time to try and stop the evil adult Kang.

So wouldnt Iron Lad be erased from existance,because he did not grow up to be a Kang the Conqureror?Or like Kang said,he has countless alternate or previous or young versions of himself?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Iron Lad is a young Kang. Basically, if young Kang remained Iron Lad, then Kang the Conqueror would never exist, and would cause several problems even in the present. And it would be my guess that Iron Lad had his memory wiped as he returned to the future.

[supermarvelman]

What exactly is Iron Lad`s connection to Kang?Kang himself said that he told a past version of himself,about his future.The young Kang refused to become evil,and decided to go back in time to try and stop the evil adult Kang.

So wouldnt Iron Lad be erased from existance,because he did not grow up to be a Kang the Conqureror?Or like Kang said,he has countless alternate or previous or young versions of himself?

Thats why he had to leave and go back to the future.

[GNR]

He's going to cause problems for the team,he appeared in the last panel of the Special.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think he'll cause problems. I think it'd be cool to find out down the line that Kang has actually been popping into the past and working behind the scenes to help the Young Avengers out because of his time as Iron Lad. Sort of like a temporal guardian angel.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I could've sworn he had his memory wiped. Because he didn't seem TOO thrilled to become Kang. I must go back and read!

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I don't know. I probably forgot that detail.

Still, I could see him regaining his Iron Lad memories but continuing as a villain because he's been so hardened over the years by all the combat and horrors he's seen. Even the most idealistic spirit can be beaten down under enough pressure.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, he made a comment that the next time they met, they would try and make him remember and become Iron Lad again. Kind of like a "Promise if we ever meet again, you'll x" situation. I got the impression his mind was wiped.

But your explanation would be perfectly applicable, and even more interesting. As Cassie is expecting cute charming Iron Lad to just smile and come back, when he's really there to eliminate them.

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd deepen Kang's character nicely, too. I loved how in Avengers Forever we learned that Kang, despite the fact that he's an imperialist and a despot, developed a grudging but abiding respect for the Avengers over time because he was so impressed by their heroism. He's got a heart, it's just buried pretty well.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I like how Iron Lad said something to the effect that Kang always was beaten, and Kang simply said that one who controls time cannot be beaten.

Yeah, Kang, despite being the alpha male he always wants to be, has a side of him that is just dying to be explored. He's definitely becoming a bit more interesting lately. I really hope they revisit this sort of thing in YA, though I hear they're going to cut the series, and possibly restart it next year. Which sucks.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not a possibility, it's fact. The issue that came out last week was the last issue of the current "season." They're putting it on hiatus for a while because Allan Heinberg, the writer, has other commitments that will prevent him from concentrating on it. Rather than putting fill-ins on it who might not stay true to Heinberg's vision, they're just pulling the plug temporarily. The Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways mini-series is being made, in part, to cover for Young Avengers' absence.

[LouFerignoDemon]

You know. Now I have ANOTHER reason to hate Wonder Woman. First, it's Donna, second they have to "cancel" YA? ARGH!!!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it may be because of some TV projects, too. Although it looks like The OC'll be canceled before much longer now, so hopefully Heinberg will turn his attention toward comics more without that piece of crap weighing him down.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Why couldn't he just cut off the OC like the infected dead limb that it is?

Do people even still watch that show?

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't seem like it. It didn't even get picked up for a full season this year. I watched the first episode and I still can't understand why anyone watched it for the first three years. :o

[LouFerignoDemon]

I couldn't see why anybody watched it at all past the pretty faces. I just hope and pray (Note, I'm praying) that he opens up some time for his second shot, and really goes for it. There's just a ton of stuff that can be done with YA, and I'd really hate to see it cut at the knee simply because of other crap.

[Kevin]

... i watch the OC *holds head down in shame*

[LouFerignoDemon]

*Points.* You, sir, should be truly ashamed of yourself.

[Kevin]

lol

[deemar325]

Oui. Speed going after Kate. It just feels so stereocast of a team to have a stricter guy having a much more liberal type girl on the team, and always feeling alienated, because some other guy on the team OBVIOUSLY is going after her, and at first glance, seems to have more in common with her, AND always seems to be shoving it in the other guy's face.

Such as, "If you went with me to there, I'd take you to so and so" basically one upping the initial stricter guy.

I see, the 'Cyclops Triangle effect' as I call it.

[Artistsean]

OK, I haven't read all of the Young Avengers comics. But I will, but I did read something about a guy named Tommy. the new Hawkeye said they offered him a suit but he didn't seem like the costumed type.

So who exactly is Tommy?

[Artistsean]

never mind, just figured it out.

[SLVRSR4]

... i watch the OC *holds head down in shame*

I watched it once with my girlfriend we broke up shortly afterwards:o :down

[Kevin]

Lmao

[taskmaster]

I watched it once with my girlfriend we broke up shortly afterwards:o :down

Even more of a reason to give that birthday present you gave her.

[Kevin]

okay, finally read issue 12... Great issue, but what i wanna know is what you guys think of Adam Austin... The MASKED MARVEL? i thought he was kool and new. they should put out a new book on him

[deemar325]

I was hoping Masked Marvel would be Speedball or Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy.

[SLVRSR4]

Even more of a reason to give that birthday present you gave her.

dam right :up: :) good friends help you laugh at stupid gifts you gave to girlfriends to intentionally piss them off!

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or you could be like my last boyfriend, who decided to buy me a CD he already knew I had since it was cheaper, so he could buy himself a movie, and then have the audacity to tell me he didn't know when he borrowed said CD for a week. :(

[taskmaster]

Or you could be like my last boyfriend, who decided to buy me a CD he already knew I had since it was cheaper, so he could buy himself a movie, and then have the audacity to tell me he didn't know when he borrowed said CD for a week. :(

Haha, you have no idea how bad the gift we're talking about really is. If you really knew Lucy(man I feel wierd having to call him that), you'd be happy to get that CD.

[Artistsean]

I'm really looking forward to what happens next in this comic. Who will join the team, who did the Vision pin point as the next Avengers, how will the team and story evolve?
Its a great idea, I remember hearing about it and thinking so this is Marvel's Teen Titans, but its a great idea really.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Haha, you have no idea how bad the gift we're talking about really is. If you really knew Lucy(man I feel wierd having to call him that), you'd be happy to get that CD.

Oh now I gotta know. Maybe you wouldn't mind telling me in PM or something? *Pleading doe eyes.*

[taskmaster]

Oh now I gotta know. Maybe you wouldn't mind telling me in PM or something? *Pleading doe eyes.*


You'd have to ask him. He probably won't tell you, I'm telling you now so you won't be let down.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Tease. x.x I imagine it's fairly personal then, I won't ask.

[SLVRSR4]

that is not what this thread is about but it brings back memories of joy!:) Mistress put that guy's ass in a bear trap!

[taskmaster]

that is not what this thread is about but it brings back memories of joy!:) Mistress put that guy's ass in a bear trap!

I wish I could have been there to see her face. Oh and what should your old girlfriend do to you?.

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol He and I are no longer together. Guy was a cheater. Oh well. I know he pulled something off the trick he was cheating with, so I consider us even.


Either way. I agree with the person who mentioned that he wanted to see what the next recruits will be. Maybe they'll try someone new. Just stay FAAAAR away from X-23.

[SLVRSR4]

Give me sex for such a great gift! duh!:)

[taskmaster]

lol He and I are no longer together. Guy was a cheater. Oh well. I know he pulled something off the trick he was cheating with, so I consider us even.


Either way. I agree with the person who mentioned that he wanted to see what the next recruits will be. Maybe they'll try someone new. Just stay FAAAAR away from X-23.

Ha, std's are hilarious when they happen to people who deserve them. And yes X-23 needs to die.

And Lucy we all know how that would turn out. You'd say something like this afterwards

You: That's never happened to me before

Her: What the five seconds of sex or the forty minutes of crying after.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ha, std's are hilarious when they happen to people who deserve them. And yes X-23 needs to die.

And Lucy we all know how that would turn out. You'd say something like this afterwards

You: That's never happened to me before

Her: What the five seconds of sex or the forty minutes of crying after.

XD That's f'ing hilarious. :up: I could've sworn I heard that somewhere, but it's still pure funny.

[taskmaster]

XD That's f'ing hilarious. :up: I could've sworn I heard that somewhere, but it's still pure funny.

Stolen material is my specialty. Got it off the Family Guy Movies.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Stolen material is my specialty. Got it off the Family Guy Movies.

That was it! Stolen material is just as good as original when it's that good. :up:

[Kevin]

everyone... LEAVE X-23 ALONE!!! really, she's a kool character, why the hate?

[LouFerignoDemon]

A'cause she's anti cool. And I'd much rather see Arana for some strange reason.

[Kevin]

damn... that's a third degree burn

[LouFerignoDemon]

Internal burn.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I hear that the YA might be taken off,and restarted.Is this true?Will there be any more Young Avengers?

[Trigger]

As far as I know they're going on hiatus.

[Kevin]

question, when YA comes back will it be a new number 1? if so, THAT IS BULL!! i hate when that happens. i kinda like big number like... idk... 13!!

[Trigger]

I'd imagine it'd start off from the same number. I don't know why it wouldn't. They're going on hiatus, not relaunching a series.

[Dread]

YA is going on haitus for a few months so, supposedly, Heinberg & Cheung can get a few issues in the can so it won't be so late. Its slated to return around March, 2007, which is the last date I heard.

BTW, #12 was awesome. It was probably my favorite issue of a comic all year, so far.

I do agree that its a shame that they're not returning with their original numbering. I mean, ASTONISHING X-MEN came back from a decently long haitus and kept their numbering. Of course, they're an almighty X-book. Tom Bevroot stated in an interview that "its being done to boost sales". FYI, YA issues usually have been selling within the Top 30's, which is pretty good, but Marvel probably wants to do better and knows that a new #1 will probably sell at least ten slots better or more. Granted, it'll probably dip back down to its normal levels again, making the renumbering all but worthless, but, hush. In the long run its probably not a big deal so long as the book returns, but it would have been cool to see some books reach, gasp, an issue #24 sometime.

I just hope the YA come out of CW in the same shape as Heinberg left them, because what I know about CW so far is that its a storyline that, like most events, thrives on destroying, changing, killing, mutiliating, what was. I'd hate to see any of them killed or drastically changed before Heinberg could return to building them up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Marvel should make every issue a #1 issue. :up:

[squeekness]

YA is going on haitus for a few months so, supposedly, Heinberg & Cheung can get a few issues in the can so it won't be so late. Its slated to return around March, 2007, which is the last date I heard.

Well that blows. I jumped onto the book late -- scrambling to catch up the issues I missed and now this? I swear I'm like the kiss of death. I start to like something and then either all my faves die (see Icarus ) or they cancel the book (see Alias, Gambit, Hawkeye). It really isn't fair. :(

[Darthphere]

You liked the Hawkeye solo?

[roach]

everyone... LEAVE X-23 ALONE!!! really, she's a kool character, why the hate?


the hate may come from her being a clone of an extremely over used character

[KAD]

the hate may come from her being a clone of an extremely over used character

Why isn't Spidergirl hated for similar reasons

[TheCorpulent1]

Because Spider-Girl's not a clone, she's Spider-Man's daughter, which makes her a legacy character. Most comic fans seem to dig the legacy characters, so long as the previous bearer of the mantle is treated with respect. Plus, her comic is a continuation of the Marvel universe into a pretty interesting possible future.

Now, if you'd said Arana, I would've replied that most people do seem to hate her about as much as X-23. There's a reason why her death and Terror's use of her arm were some of the best scenes in MTU's League of Losers arc. ;)

[Darthphere]

Why isn't Spidergirl hated for similar reasons


*hits head on desk*

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well that blows. I jumped onto the book late -- scrambling to catch up the issues I missed and now this? I swear I'm like the kiss of death. I start to like something and then either all my faves die (see Icarus ) or they cancel the book (see Alias, Gambit, Hawkeye). It really isn't fair. :(

Imagine my feeling when I jumped on to YA and the very next issue they removed Iron Lad. :(

[SLVRSR4]

Ha, std's are hilarious when they happen to people who deserve them. And yes X-23 needs to die.

And Lucy we all know how that would turn out. You'd say something like this afterwards

You: That's never happened to me before

Her: What the five seconds of sex or the forty minutes of crying after.



that's cold but then again i'm just like speed i would do more than enough in the five seconds:O They're totally going to recognize that's the superskrull:o

[LouFerignoDemon]

that's cold but then again i'm just like speed i would do more than enough in the five seconds:O They're totally going to recognize that's the superskrull:o


If you're like Speed, five seconds might be more than what you have in you.

[SLVRSR4]

Well i don't want to demolecularize her so i would... Why the hate on me!?

[LEX]

YA#12 was definitely the book of the week for me. Great finale and I really hope the hiatus won't be too long b/c it's definitely one of my fave books.

The slapsticks were great. I especially loved the Speed/Wolverine interaction. It's about time Cap found out about Scarlet Witch's two sons. I loved his reaction.

The stare Billy gave Teddy was priceless.

"The nose knows, bub."

So happy that they didn't go down the Karolina route. :o

The grieving in the end was a nice touch. I was afraid they were going to ignore Teddy's mom's death, but nope, they did it. I hope Jessica Jones sticks around. It's good to have an adult figure around with the YA.

Speed; great addition. Looks like there will be a love triangle b/w Speed, the new Hawkeye and Eli. Should be interesting how this carries on in the new YA series.

[taskmaster]

Well i don't want to demolecularize her so i would... Why the hate on me!?

No one hates you, you're just an easy target.

[Artistsean]

Does anyone know what the next story arc is going to be about? Maybe what the cover of issue 13 is?

[Black Panther]

Issue #12 was one of the best issues of the whole series.

[Artistsean]

possible spoiler if you haven't read them all yet.

Wiccan and Speed
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/AvengerFamilyTree2copy.jpg

And Hulkling's Family Tree
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/TeddysFamilyTree.jpg

I'd like to see Rick Jones interact with Hulking, he shared bodies with both Hulkling's father and half brother, he is sort of his Uncle or something.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Fascinating.Im liking Young Avengers even more.

Im nearing the end of the TPB:Sidekicks.It ends at Issue 6.But when i went to my local dealer,there is a Issue 12.Does this mean that there will be another TPB?I hope so...

[SLVRSR4]

No one hates you, you're just an easy target.

That's true this is concerning the upcoming YA/runaways wouldn't it be great if Jacosta made a appearance and had a Jacosta complex on him!? You said it first Task but i wrote fanfic about it:o

[taskmaster]

That's true this is concerning the upcoming YA/runaways wouldn't it be great if Jacosta made a appearance and had a Jacosta complex on him!? You said it first Task but i wrote fanfic about it:o

I want my damn name on the books and I deserve at least 40%. Oh, and clean out your PM box.

[SLVRSR4]

that time of the month again!:eek: 40% is reasonable

[Dread]

YA #12 was not only one of the best issues of the series (if not the best), but its easily my favorite Marvel comic of the year.

Nice work on those complicated Family Trees for the "Wonder Twins" and Hulkling. Although the Summers' brothers would probably say, "welcome to our world, where our father being a space pirate with a swishy sash is the LEAST of our worries". ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

when i talked to Alan at my comic store i asked him about issue #13 and when the hiatus would be over.. he said he hoped he would bring it back early next year and that he hopes to stay on it for 1-2 years :)

[Darthphere]

There isnt going to be an issue #13.

[spideyboy_1111]

umm yes.. there is or are they restarting the book like runaways?

[squeekness]

There is a New Avengers/Runaways Civil war crossover coming up. :)

[Darthphere]

Umm not there isnt. #12 was the last one and its going on hiatus, to allow Heinberg some time to get his Hollywood work done.

[Darthphere]

There is a Young Avengers/Runaways Civil war crossover coming up. :)


Fixed.

[spideyboy_1111]

Umm not there isnt. #12 was the last one and its going on hiatus, to allow Heinberg some time to get his Hollywood work done.
i know... i asked him how long the hiatus would be.. he told me YA would be coming back early next year. he said he can only do one book at a time so right now hes focusing on wonder woman.

[squeekness]

Fixed.LOL, thanks. :)

[Darthphere]

i know... i asked him how long the hiatus would be.. he told me YA would be coming back early next year. he said he can only do one book at a time so right now hes focusing on wonder woman.


Ok, but there isnt going to be a #13. Tom Breevort said they probably give it a new #1.

[squeekness]

Tsk, I hate it when they start a book over at #1. I hope that doesn't mean they are going to change the cast.

[spideyboy_1111]

ok.... ? lol there still coming back.. but i see no reason it should restart at 1.. it ended a simialar way the first 6 did.. and they didnt defeat there all time enemy like runaways did with the pride and death of there friend turned enemy... but then again its new beginings with speed so either way i look forward to them early next year :)

ps hein got all excited when i told him i'm going as hulkling for halloween, demanded i post pics on his myspace :) it was kool

[Darthphere]

Tsk, I hate it when they start a book over at #1. I hope that doesn't mean they are going to change the cast.


Probably not, its similar to what they did with Runaways.

[spideyboy_1111]

runaways did have a cast change though haha... YA won't though

[Darthphere]

It had an addition, but all the characters were still there.

[spideyboy_1111]

im talking bout the way it ended.. not began.. there was a death when it ended

[spideyboy_1111]

made this for ya guys
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6756/avengersrunawaysqy222nu0.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersrunawaysqy222nu0.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1992/avengersrunawaysqy2.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersrunawaysqy2.jpg)

[Artistsean]

I want to see Rick Jones and Marlo Jones make a guest appearence. I'd like to see Rick act like an Uncle to Hulkling, and I'd like to see Marlo gush over Hulkling.
Then every so often Rick and/or Marlo can return and act as Uncle Rick or Aunt Marlo.
I'd like to see Ultron make a guest appearnce, or Magneto. Or maybe both in the same issue, it could be like When Grandparents Attack.

[spideyboy_1111]

well... the vision we see now isn't the exact same vision of before... Iron lad's armor uploaded visions data base... and is esentially in looks, vision, but has the personality of iron lad. So its more closer to a clone of vision.. in a way

[spideyboy_1111]

updated my pic... was up all night doing it... lol hope u guys like

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1518/avengersrunawaysqycivilwaryy5.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersrunawaysqycivilwaryy5.jpg)

anyways.. im off to bed

[Kevin]

looks great

[spideyboy_1111]

thanx.... now thats its 6am.... lol im going to bed... night all :)

[TheCorpulent1]

updated my pic... was up all night doing it... lol hope u guys like

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1518/avengersrunawaysqycivilwaryy5.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersrunawaysqycivilwaryy5.jpg)

anyways.. im off to bed
That's really good. :up: Any chance you could make a 1280x1028 copy? It'd make a good wallpaper.

[spideyboy_1111]

That's really good. :up: Any chance you could make a 1280x1028 copy? It'd make a good wallpaper.
sure :) ill get on to that after i run errands today... it was a tad long, so i tweaked it a bit and im currently using it for my wallpaper :). so ya ill send the fix to you :)

[squeekness]

Nice pic, spidyboy. I like that a lot. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, good job. That pic's awesome. I'm really excited for this book too :D

[ang_hulk]

I love the line up and how things worked out,usually with stories that big trying to settle everything in one issue doesnt work out,this not only is the complete oppisite and works perfectly it is one of the best endings ive come across.I cant wait for whats next.

[Kevin]

so... am i the only one who ALREADY misses the Young Avengers?

[spideyboy_1111]

i always miss them :( ...

[ang_hulk]

absoooolutlty not-i hate that its taking a break but i love the last page because i was right there thinking the same thing.I cant wait to see whos next on the team,i also love the costumes.I wonderd what speeds would be and i love it.I hope the run aways dont cramp there style.You know the funny thing-since hulkings got a skrull as a parent hes got what it takes to be a runaway-yes she was a good skrull but ya know,im sure it will come up.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Wait...is the Young Avengers over?I heard that the book would be stoped,then re-started.I hope the same writer and artist [or better one] can come back,will the YA be there,or a whole new team?

[BrianWilly]

It will be the same writer, Heinberg, for sure. I haven't heard anything about Cheung returning or not.

[spideyboy_1111]

well when i talked to Heinberg a few months ago, he made it sound like Cheung would be returning too.. he said "we both can only do one book at a time, so were going to wait till hopefully early jan to bring YA back" so.. ya that would sound like Cheung is returning imo

[squeekness]

Early January? *begins weeping*

[Arkady Rossovich]

Can someone please say when the next TPB volume of Young Avengers will be out.

What is the Young Avengers status during Civil War?

[Darthphere]

Read CW: Young Avengers and Runaways to find out. :o

[Dread]

Nice wallpaper of all the covers.

And as for the next volume of YA with Heinberg/Cheung starting in Jan. 2007, look on the bright side; I wasn't expecting it until March.

YA/RUNAWAYS is one of the best things to come out of CW so far. Zeb Wells is writing it much better than I think anyone expected and it's been fun so far. Plus, it's selling about the same as the YA main title was.

[spideyboy_1111]

Can someone please say when the next TPB volume of Young Avengers will be out.

What is the Young Avengers status during Civil War?
Oct 25th (3 days after my b-day :D) issues 7-12 will be out.. thought it will be hard back... paper back wont be out for a few more months after that

[spideyboy_1111]

and thanx dread :)

[spideyboy_1111]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1734/youngavengersrunawaywpfixog7.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youngavengersrunawaywpfixog7.jpg)

[spideyboy_1111]

hmmm that was suppose to be the requested size... why isnt it? i dont know... but its the one i use for my screen size

[Specter313]

Ok, to review the Young Avengers and their connections to original Avengers members since some I've seen some people still confused:

Young Avenger ~ Original Avenger

Stature ~ Ant Man
Wiccin ~ Scarlet Witch
Hulkling ~ Captain Marvel/Skrulls
Patriot ~ Captain America (Isaiah Bradley)
Speed ~ Quicksilver
Hawkeye ~ Hawkeye (though not a relation, just similar skill levels)
Vision ~ Vision
Iron Lad ~ Iron Man/Kang the Conqueror

I know some people will argue that you could probably relate Wiccin to Thor and Hulkling to the Hulk with their original appearences, and in Billy's case his original name, but I don't think that really counts anymore.

So, with all that, what Avengers member do you think should be used next for a template for a new Young Avenger? Wasp? One of the Spider-Woman's? Wonder Man? Mantis? Jack of Hearts? Moondragon? Namor? The list goes on and on...

[TheCorpulent1]

Patriot's grandfather's name is Isaiah Bradley. Elijah Bradley is Patriot's name.

You also forgot Speed, whose original Avenger counterpart is Quicksilver, both in his powers and in the fact that he may or may not be the twin of the Scarlet Witch's counterpart.

As for whom I'd like to see the next YA based on, I think a Mantis (pre-Celestial Madonna) analogue would be cool. There aren't enough normal humans who know arcane martial arts that allow them to stand up to the likes of Thor in the Marvel universe.

[Specter313]

Thanks, fixed, and Speed is there, right under Patriot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, sorry, I missed him.

[Colossal Spoons]

Unforunately, I jumped on the Avengers bandwagon with Disassembled (:() so I don't know a lot of the auxiliary Avengers but I think the team could use some more strength and some more estrogen so a YA version of Ms. Marvel would be cool.

Since there seems to be no antagonist on the team; maybe a YA version of Namor could work. Every team needs that one member who could go too far and seriously injure an opponent and they seemed to have calmed Tommy down :(

[spideyboy_1111]

Unforunately, I jumped on the Avengers bandwagon with Disassembled (:() so I don't know a lot of the auxiliary Avengers but I think the team could use some more strength and some more estrogen so a YA version of Ms. Marvel would be cool.

Since there seems to be no antagonist on the team; maybe a YA version of Namor could work. Every team needs that one member who could go too far and seriously injure an opponent and they seemed to have calmed Tommy down :(

same here... but thanks to that and other stories im begining to learn alot...

and i really don't think they've tamed speed just yet.. hes very dangerous.. and could easily go to far

[spideyboy_1111]

I wouldnt mind if arana and X-23 eventually joined.. we really dont need them to create another young wolverine or young spidey...

[Wolverazio]

Personally I'm pretty happy with them all and all I could ask for is a Young Wonder Man.

Just because I've always loved ionic Wonder Man.

[MyPokerShirt]

:rolleyes: YA is perfect as is. The only legacy hero I'd like to see in them would be a temporally displaced Spider-Girl. SM has to get his daughter back somehow...

[MyPokerShirt]

okay, question on cw: YA& runaways #2:

Isn't Hulkling worried about telling Xavin he's on Earth? If it gets back to any Skrull heirachy they'd know about his deception in YA #12 and come to drag him off (note: I havnt read cw: YA& runaways #2 yet, I've had to order it :D)

[Darthphere]

What are the chances of Xavin finding a way off planet?

[MyPokerShirt]

How'd he get ON planet? Communication devices would do the trick. And Hulking doesn't know that.. does he? Damn I want the issue. Can't even find it on download. I'm counting down the days.

[Darthphere]

Well the fact that the Skrull empire has been decimated due to the Annihilation Wave and Super Skrull is dead, I dont think its an urgent thing at the moment, or who knows, it could be more urgent than ever now but yeah the Skrulls have to find a way to survive, the few who are still alive.

[MyPokerShirt]

Ah, touche. When did Super Skrull die?? Read Annihilation #1 but not the lead-ups.

[Darthphere]

In his mini.

[spideyboy_1111]

the Skrulls need to get a life.. and realise fighting everything for years and years needs to stop... over all this has it really been worth the casualties?

on a side note.. how many alien races in the marvel universe are there?

The Kree
The Skrulls
The Brood
Whatever Karolina is from Runaways
The Shia'r

what else?

[Wolverazio]

THE BROTHERHOOD OF BADOON!

Can't forget them!

[JustABill]

Beta Ray Bill is an alien too I believe.

[spideyboy_1111]

an alien race though? thought he was just one of the asgardians

[JustABill]

He's an alien race yes. -looks it up-

Edit: He's a part of the Korbinities race.

[JustABill]

Majesdanians is Karolina's race btw. :p

[JustABill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Comics_alien_races

HUGE list of Marvel Alien Races.

[spideyboy_1111]

ha, i can't believe i forgot the Phanlanx, but most of all... THE SYMBIOTES!

on a side note... is thanos a skrull? hes purple.. but has that chin tumor thing they got going on

[GNR]

I wouldnt mind if arana and X-23 eventually joined.. we really dont need them to create another young wolverine or young spidey...

yuck,the team is fine as is,I don't know why so many people are always looking for new people to join...

if we are getting new members,I'd rather the character come from the mind of Heinberg rooted in Avengers history rather than an existing character

[spideyboy_1111]

o and the inhumans... if they count

[Darthphere]

Word *****.

[spideyboy_1111]

yuck,the team is fine as is,I don't know why so many people are always looking for new people to join...

if we are getting new members,I'd rather the character come from the mind of Heinberg rooted in Avengers history rather than an existing character
ummm did i say i wanted new members? no.. im fine with what we have.. hell.. i'd be happy if we went a year without getting anymore new members.. lets continue to establish the ones we have.... but those 2 i wouldnt mind.. espcially for the fact that it kinda gives them more of a purpose (arana and X-23 that is...esp X-23.. she kinda seems like shes baby sitting the new x-men right now)

[Darthphere]

But it adds nothing to YA, except for two useless characters.

[GNR]

ummm did i say i wanted new members? no.. im fine with what we have.. hell.. i'd be happy if we went a year without getting anymore new members.. lets continue to establish the ones we have.... but those 2 i wouldnt mind.. espcially for the fact that it kinda gives them more of a purpose (arana and X-23 that is...esp X-23.. she kinda seems like shes baby sitting the new x-men right now)

but x-23 and arana?come on,as Darth said,they would be pretty useless and lame in YA

[spideyboy_1111]

But it adds nothing to YA, except for two useless characters.
I didn't say i wanted them dangit! lol... just said i'd be ok with it.. i don't know enough about Arana.. but X-23 is growing on me.. i like her in New X-men.. but not sure what she'd be needed for in YA... esp since they don't really seem like the type to want a person on there team who would win there fights by slaughtering the people in the fight

[Mogwai]

I'd like the ideas of seeing Young Avenger versions of Namor and Wonder Man.

[samurai black]

I'd like the ideas of seeing Young Avenger versions of Namor and Wonder Man.

Wasn't namorita kinda like a younger version of namor. Personally, i'm all for arana joining the YAs, but X-23 just isn't avenger material. I don't know if vision counts, but the YAs need a genius on their team, maybe someone from the baxter think tank, that'd be cool.

[Dread]

I'm just hoping the Young Avengers survive CW the same way that Heinberg left them. CW is almost like a wood-chipper for characters, having them get mangled or killed, and it would be a shame to lose any of them, especially since some have only had a few issues (like Speed).

I'd prefer if the roster stayed stable and we simply fleshed out the characters there for a while. Tommy/Speed is still rather fresh and the others have room to grow. Let's see them find Wanda, and fight some more A-class villians to prove their mettle. They've already gotten past Kang, Shocker, Mr. Hyde and Super-Skrull. Not bad.

And with Super-Skrull dead, there's no one to impersonate Hulkling, but with most of them getting wiped out from Annihilation and even the Kree being kept occupied, Hulkling may be safe for now.

Considering that most of the "original" Avengers are scattered, I'd think that some of their old enemies might try "sticking it to them" by getting to their "kids". I mean, you may not have an easy time killing Capt. America or Yellowjacket, but you could try your luck with Patriot or Stature. But, Marvel villians rarely seem as competant as DC villians, even if many are more interesting.

[Mogwai]

I'd also like to see a young Hercules. How about some young versions of classic Avengers villains? Like Ultron (not Victor Mancha) or the Masters of Evil.

[GNR]

I just re-read the Special,my god Heinberg is awesome.

[Dread]

I just re-read the Special,my god Heinberg is awesome.
Yes he is. That special was why I was hoping he'd get the first crack at Wanda post HOM, and not Bendis. So much for that.

As for a "Teen Masters of Evil", I could see it working. Batroc the Leaper, for instance, actually has a daughter, least from what I recall of scimming AGENT X a while back. But I'd rather the YA continue rolling on with taking on A and B list villians, even if eventually they will have to get one of their own, or two.

[Wolverazio]

As for a "Teen Masters of Evil", I could see it working. Batroc the Leaper, for instance, actually has a daughter, least from what I recall of scimming AGENT X a while back. But I'd rather the YA continue rolling on with taking on A and B list villians, even if eventually they will have to get one of their own, or two.

Another "questionable" male villain has a child too (I remember the Taskmaster commenting about how surprised he was to find out they were straight).

Anywho...

Why do they have to get some of their own? I mean, we all know the Marvel universe is over satured with characters and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kingpin start out as a Spidey villain? But now he is far more recognizable as DD's nemesis.

Just saying, with all these characters out there, an under used character (even a Mr. Hyde who has already showed up) could be one of "their" villains. Hell, even Avengers' villains could, since Bendis is so keen on using them in New Avengers. /sarcasm

[Specter313]

For everyone who's all "keep the team the same!" I was asking, HYPOTHETICALLY, who you would like to see the a new Young Avenger based on. I never said they had to add any more characters.

[Dread]

Another "questionable" male villain has a child too (I remember the Taskmaster commenting about how surprised he was to find out they were straight).

Anywho...

Why do they have to get some of their own? I mean, we all know the Marvel universe is over satured with characters and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kingpin start out as a Spidey villain? But now he is far more recognizable as DD's nemesis.

Just saying, with all these characters out there, an under used character (even a Mr. Hyde who has already showed up) could be one of "their" villains. Hell, even Avengers' villains could, since Bendis is so keen on using them in New Avengers. /sarcasm
I believe Tarantula's daughter also appeared in that story beside Batroc's girl. Of course, WHICH Tarantula is her father wasn't stated. There've been at least two of 'em. Of course they got shot up badly.

You do have a point, there may be some good villians out there who haven't become Thunderbolts yet. What? The T-bolts are hogging up all the ones who were good but not overdone to death.

For everyone who's all "keep the team the same!" I was asking, HYPOTHETICALLY, who you would like to see the a new Young Avenger based on. I never said they had to add any more characters.

Hypothetically, I'll vote Gravity. He would fit in well, the fact that he already has a girlfriend yet is on a team with nubile heroines like Stature and Hawkeye II has got to add tension, and plus, I have this pet dream of Gravity's powers (which came to him from an "accidental" energy storm at sea) to have been connected to Graviton, a former Avengers and Thunderbolts baddie who could easily be another Magneto in terms of power, but hasn't been handled as well in as many big name stories.

[Charlie No-One]

I just noticed how awesome a character Wiccan was.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I'd be sad if he faded off into the nether. :(

[Charlie No-One]

Shush you! He won't...I hope. :(

[LouFerignoDemon]

I believe Tarantula's daughter also appeared in that story beside Batroc's girl. Of course, WHICH Tarantula is her father wasn't stated. There've been at least two of 'em. Of course they got shot up badly.

You do have a point, there may be some good villians out there who haven't become Thunderbolts yet. What? The T-bolts are hogging up all the ones who were good but not overdone to death.



Hypothetically, I'll vote Gravity. He would fit in well, the fact that he already has a girlfriend yet is on a team with nubile heroines like Stature and Hawkeye II has got to add tension, and plus, I have this pet dream of Gravity's powers (which came to him from an "accidental" energy storm at sea) to have been connected to Graviton, a former Avengers and Thunderbolts baddie who could easily be another Magneto in terms of power, but hasn't been handled as well in as many big name stories.

You had the Graviton idea too?! O.O


Either way, I could easily see Gravity wanting to join up as a Young Avenger simply because he wants to be a "real" Avenger when he gets older. And his character has total potential. Or at least he should do a team up with Freedom Ring.


As for a villan? I could easily see Kang showing up again, obviously. Maybe even Kang after he just becomes the Conqueror, so they have a younger version to fight or something that's more on their level. B listers are alright, there are tons of B list villans that are plenty cool that would make awesome adversaries. However, I'd still like to see a "personal" adversary to their team. Of course this person would fight other teams and whatnot, but I always felt that a team should have a threat or two specific to them, for whatever reason. (Most likely a romantic notion of some sort.)

[spideyboy_1111]

what's the name of the type of earing Hulkling wears on his upper part of his ear? the ones i woulc call a "clasp" while the others are hoops... im just wondering, because im trying to find fake ones for my hulkling halloween costume

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, nice costume idea. As for the answer to your question: I dunno.

[GNR]

Make sure to post a pic of your costume when done.

[Darthphere]

So we can laugh.

[spideyboy_1111]

hey.. i was told by heinberg himself.. that i look alot like Teddy

[Colossal Spoons]

So we can laugh.

You know you wanna be Rictor this haloween. :o

[AndThePickles]

what's the name of the type of earing Hulkling wears on his upper part of his ear? the ones i woulc call a "clasp" while the others are hoops... im just wondering, because im trying to find fake ones for my hulkling halloween costume

Wow, you're really going for all the details! Not sure about the answer to your question though...but good luck! :)

[spideyboy_1111]

well i found somethin close.. and ear clip or clasp... ill check some stores though... might be as simple as going to the mall

[i'm Spider-Man]

Allan Heinberg has said that he plans to introduce a young Masters of Evil in the second "season", among other new antagonists, but does not plan to introduce any new Young Avengers at this time. The "season" will be broken up into three four issue arcs. Heinberg has said that the teenage Kang will show up, but will not be Iron Lad anymore. He will be part of a love triangle with Vision and Cassie.

also, I have a question about Patriot... what're his powers now? was that ever fully explained?

[Specter313]

also, I have a question about Patriot... what're his powers now? was that ever fully explained?

Interesting.

And on Patriot, at the end of the season, when he was hurt in the fight between the Avengers(young and new) the Kree and the Skrull, he lost a lot of blood and ended up getting a blood transfusion from his grandfather, Isiaah, the black Captain America, so he has the same abilities as Cap now and not drug enhanced.

[i'm Spider-Man]

yeah I caught the blood transfusion (ironic considering that's how he initially claimed he got his powers) but so far we don't know exactly what his powers are... I mean, for example in CW#2, he shrugged off tranq darts. I remember one of the shooters saying "this kid's [i]bulletproof[/] now?" And i'm pretty sure Cap isn't bulletproof.

And I seem to remember he commented on something about Super-hearing?!

[SLVRSR4]

well i found somethin close.. and ear clip or clasp... ill check some stores though... might be as simple as going to the mall

I'll dress up as Wiccan and we can walk the town together:whatever: :woot: :o :huh: