Anime/Manga (Easten) heroes versus Western Heroes.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Professsor X is a psychic juggernaut but mewtwo's powers were on a Earthly scale. Am I the only person who remembers the movie? Mewtwo was gonna destroy all humans with a thought-storm and contrary to popular belief Professer is not telekinetic and therefore could not withstand a telekinetic onslaught from mewtwo.
Ehhh... Mewtwo could not kill everyone that easiley, he made a clone army for that.
With cerebro Xavier can kill every human and mutant (without a helemt)

[Sloth7d]

Actually mewtwo created them to prove that the clones are better than the original. He didn't actually need the clones exept to prove a point.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Horakhiti - The creator of Light
God of Osiris (Slifer), God of Obelisk and God of Ra fused together.
http://www.janime.info/EnglishTranslate/333/08.jpg

VS

Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet
http://www.drstrange.nl/marvelmagic/cards/Infinity%20Gauntlet.jpg

Horakhiti is created by merging 3 beings, each with infinity power. To make a being even more powerful.

The wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet could kill beings with infinity power too.

[Keollyn]

Looks back a few pages

Ha! Luffy VS. Hulk. What a mismatch.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Horakhiti - The creator of Light
God of Osiris (Slifer), God of Obelisk and God of Ra fused together.
http://www.janime.info/EnglishTranslate/333/08.jpg

VS

Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet
http://www.drstrange.nl/marvelmagic/cards/Infinity%20Gauntlet.jpg

Horakhiti is created by merging 3 beings, each with infinity power. To make a being even more powerful.

The wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet could kill beings with infinity power too.


Why do you keep doing these "god" vs "god" matches?! They are pretty boring since both characters can probably do anything that makes the fight pointless. They have no weaknesses or flaws! I notice that you really love characters who have that whole infinite power thing going on. Omnipotence is overated in fact Thanos and Beyonder both ended up miserable because of it.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Why do you keep doing these "god" vs "god" matches?! They are pretty boring since both characters can probably do anything that makes the fight pointless. They have no weaknesses or flaws! I notice that you really love characters who have that whole infinite power thing going on. Omnipotence is overated in fact Thanos and Beyonder both ended up miserable because of it.
If anyone else agree with this than quote, than I'll start focusing (as main) on normal characters... Because I thought you liked Omni-battles, if I'm wrong correct me now.

[Sloth7d]

I don't think the fused god is omnipotent, just immutabley strong.
But Thanos w/infinite gauntlet is omnipotent, giving him the win.

[Ultra-Herald9]

I don't think the fused god is omnipotent, just immutabley strong.
But Thanos w/infinite gauntlet is omnipotent, giving him the win.

wow??? Maybe I was wrong about you. I thought for sure you would say Thanos loses easily.

[Sloth7d]

No. the only thing I'm biased with is DBZ. It left a strong impression on me and I always reguard them as the strongest characters ever. Y'know besides omnipotent beings.

[Ultra-Herald9]

No. the only thing I'm biased with is DBZ. It left a strong impression on me and I always reguard them as the strongest characters ever. Y'know besides omnipotent beings.

And yet there are beings in comics who are not by any means omnipotent that could by logic completely demolish Goku. Barry Allen-Flash is one of them yet he never gets brought up......

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No. the only thing I'm biased with is DBZ. It left a strong impression on me and I always reguard them as the strongest characters ever. Y'know besides omnipotent beings.
DBZ bias ehy... That gives me an idea... However I'm to tierd now, it's there tomorrow.

[Warhammer]

I don't think the fused god is omnipotent, just immutabley strong.
But Thanos w/infinite gauntlet is omnipotent, giving him the win.

I agree.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Chi-chi
http://www.animeye.it/torneognugna/chichiDB.jpg

VS

Spider-woman
http://www.geekent.com/whatsentertainingthegeek/archives/pics/SPIDER-WOMAN.jpg

[Sloth7d]

Believe it or not, I'm going to vote Spiderwoman on this.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Chi-chi >> Gokou > Spider-woman
:p

[Sloth7d]

Chi-chi >> Gokou >
:p
So true lol...... well, unless he knocks her through a house, a tree, and into a rock....again.

[Ultra-Herald9]

So true lol...... well, unless he knocks her through a house, a tree, and into a rock....again.

Spider-Woman takes this one easily. Did anyone else see that ownage she laid on Wolverine?

[Sloth7d]

Spider-Woman takes this one easily. Did anyone else see that ownage she laid on Wolverine?
What, the cheapshot with his own claws?
Lame. Wolverine would so own her head to head.

[Ultra-Herald9]

What, the cheapshot with his own claws?
Lame. Wolverine would so own her head to head.

Bullcrap! She is underestimated as a comic book character but considering she has super strength she would probably floor him in one shoot! Did you see how easily Luke Cage flung him off of her and she is just as strong nearly.

[Sloth7d]

Bullcrap! She is underestimated as a comic book character but considering she has super strength she would probably floor him in one shoot! Did you see how easily Luke Cage flung him off of her and she is just as strong nearly.
Did you see how he handled the atlanteons who also have enhanced strenth. Not to mention he defeated Submariner before(though recently he was KO'd by the dude). Wolverine doesn't render unconscious easily. An example of this is when Spiderman knocked out the 40th floor window and it didn't take him much time to get back upstairs.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Did you see how he handled the atlanteons who also have enhanced strenth. Not to mention he defeated Submariner before(though recently he was KO'd by the dude). Wolverine doesn't render unconscious easily. An example of this is when Spiderman knocked out the 40th floor window and it didn't take him much time to get back upstairs.

Dude Wolverine would have trouble with Captain America let alone Spider-Woman. Spider-Woman would only need a cuple of venom blasts and a well placed punch and the fight would be over.

[Sloth7d]

Dude Wolverine would have trouble with Captain America let alone Spider-Woman. Spider-Woman would only need a cuple of venom blasts and a well placed punch and the fight would be over.
Omigosh!
You really aren't giving wolerine the credit he deserves. And to reference Cap like that... Come on he gave Spiderman a run for his money. Ofcourse he'd equaly bring on the pain to James AND Jessica.
Did you ever read the Wolverine # where he took on Vision, Speedball, blackcat, humantorch, Cardiac, Solo and others and beat them all?
Come on, when it comes to kick arse Mrs. Drew a venom blast and one punch will not stop him at all. He'd cripple her for life in a serious fight.

[narutofan236]

Spider-woman

[Ultra-Herald9]

Omigosh!
You really aren't giving wolerine the credit he deserves. And to reference Cap like that... Come on he gave Spiderman a run for his money. Ofcourse he'd equaly bring on the pain to James AND Jessica.
Did you ever read the Wolverine # where he took on Vision, Speedball, blackcat, humantorch, Cardiac, Solo and others and beat them all?
Come on, when it comes to kick arse Mrs. Drew a venom blast and one punch will not stop him at all. He'd cripple her for life in a serious fight.

Ya you're right that I don't give Wolverine enough credit because he gets WAY to much credit. Anyone who knows anything about comics knows that if Spider-Man or Spider-Woman in this case would defeat Wolverine if they were ever serious. These two can toss cars with ease and put their fists through titanium! I hate it when writers suddenly make Wolverine like he's Omega-Level and don't even get me started on the movie!

I completely lost all respect for Wolverine and his writers when he stabbed Silver Surfer. They overpower the crap out of Wolverine just because of annoying fanboys that want to see wolverine embarrasing some ultra powerful character. Heck I would't be suprised if writers allow him to cut Mjonir in half or stab the Living Tribunal to death.:cmad:

[Sloth7d]

Ya you're right that I don't give Wolverine enough credit because he gets WAY to much credit. Anyone who knows anything about comics knows that if Spider-Man or Spider-Woman in this case would defeat Wolverine if they were ever serious. These two can toss cars with ease and put their fists through titanium! I hate it when writers suddenly make Wolverine like he's Omega-Level and don't even get me started on the movie!

I completely lost all respect for Wolverine and his writers when he stabbed Silver Surfer. They overpower the crap out of Wolverine just because of annoying fanboys that want to see wolverine embarrasing some ultra powerful character. Heck I would't be suprised if writers allow him to cut Mjonir in half or stab the Living Tribunal to death.:cmad:
Well, some writers did illustrate him slicing up Warbird, Vision, Namor and others......
But I don't complain,because Wolverine is one of my favorite characters:woot:
But I'm not one of those fanboys who writes marvel telling them to have Wolverine kick someones arse. No,no,no,no.
I'm one of those fanboys who wonder why JoeyQ is screwing Spiderman over. I mean, come on Joe, how the hell did Jigsaw break his arm? Dude can lift 15 tons,but a human who can't lift 1 ton can break one of his limbs?

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well, some writers did illustrate him slicing up Warbird, Vision, Namor and others......
But I don't complain,because Wolverine is one of my favorite characters:woot:
But I'm not one of those fanboys who writes marvel telling them to have Wolverine kick someones arse. No,no,no,no.
I'm one of those fanboys who wonder why JoeyQ is screwing Spiderman over. I mean, come on Joe, how the hell did Jigsaw break his arm? Dude can lift 15 tons,but a human who can't lift 1 ton can break one of his limbs?

Man see everytime I think we'll never agree on something you suprise me in the end. You do seem to have quite a bit of comic knowledge and I was just as pissed when Jigsaw broke his arm. Spider-Man has been hit by the Hulk and got back up yet he gets his arm gets snapped like a twig(even after cracking such a great joke) by someone Daredevil can beat and the sad fact is Spider-Man at the time was more so in the 30-50 ton range and he's on occasion lifted even more.


Also sorry about that whole Wolverine rant but I just hate when he achieves things that he shouldn't even come close to doing. Writers favor him so much like he's the cure for freakin cancer.:cmad:

[Warhammer]

Chi-Chi wins. :p

She beats down Goku.

Anyone remember when she threw Ox King and the TV out of the house during the Cell Games Saga?

Good stuff. :D

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Hayabusa Ryu - with access to all: main weapon's, secondary weapon's, armlet's and nipon's.
http://www.meristation.com/EPORTAL_IMGS/GENERAL/juegos/Xbox-Accion/06/IMG-cw4369042a6a823/BLACK16pe.jpg

VS

Boneclaw Wolverine
http://www.marvel-figurines.co.uk/graphics/shop-graphics/wolverine-leap.gif

[Ultra-Herald9]

Ryu.

[Warhammer]

Ryu.

Boneclaw Wolvie sucks.

[Jplaya2023]

I think he menas chakara, when you merge chi with lifeforce, it's what they use to preform nin-jutsu an such.
However I do not beliva that Itachi will defeat the Hulk, the guy can lift 150 billion tons and have destroyed a metior tiwce the size of earth with a punch.
He have even regenerated from a single cell. So even if Itachi would cause brain damage it would regenerate, but the more Itachi truies the more ruthless will his death be, remmber Hulk's strenght is based on his anger which is supose to be infinite, and he's not slow, he can jump over 5 miles with ease. And can catch up to a jet.
A thunderclap and Itachi will fail.

Beyonder wins: 2 - 0
Next match comming right up.

umm how does benching 150 tons help when your in another dimension being tortured for 3 straight days?

[Ultra-Herald9]

umm how does benching 150 tons help when your in another dimension being tortured for 3 straight days?

It helps when you become more powerful due to mental stress like the Hulk and you find out that you have only been standing in one spot for about three seconds while some guy was messing with your mind.

I've said it before and i'll say it again Tsukiyomi would only make hulk ALOT stronger. Another thing that is misunderstood about Hulk is that not only does his strength increase due to anger but ALL his stats due and this includes speed,stamina,durability,and his healing factor.

Tsukiyomi only causes mental fatigue and possible insanity and its affects although very life-like are only mental.

[Jplaya2023]

It helps when you become more powerful due to mental stress like the Hulk and you find out that you have only been standing in one spot for about three seconds while some guy was messing with your mind.

I've said it before and i'll say it again Tsukiyomi would only make hulk ALOT stronger. Another thing that is misunderstood about Hulk is that not only does his strength increase due to anger but ALL his stats due and this includes speed,stamina,durability,and his healing factor.

Tsukiyomi only causes mental fatigue and possible insanity and its affects although very life-like are only mental.


Umm god of moon is 1 second in real world time

Itachi controls time and space in his genjitsu. He can make the mass and density of any objects as thick or as thin as he likes.

Not only does the move attack you physcailly, it also attacks mentally. Hulk would be broken down by the time the move was done he'll be in banner form while still being torturered on the cross.

Kakashi and Sasuke had to both have the best ninja in the narutoverse treat them or they would of both died. Hulk doesnt have that advantage he's dead.

And for good measure itachi can use amortesu(blue style, blue flame jutso) and incenerate him into ashes and blow them into the dusk.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Umm god of moon is 1 second in real world time

Itachi controls time and space in his genjitsu. He can make the mass and density of any objects as thick or as thin as he likes.

Not only does the move attack you physcailly, it also attacks mentally. Hulk would be broken down by the time the move was done he'll be in banner form while still being torturered on the cross.

Kakashi and Sasuke had to both have the best ninja in the narutoverse treat them or they would of both died. Hulk doesnt have that advantage he's dead.

And for good measure itachi can use amortesu(blue style, blue flame jutso) and incenerate him into ashes and blow them into the dusk.


Dude I see you let biast guide you instead of Logic.

1)Tsukiyomi only works on the mental plane and doesn't cause physical damage. It only gives the illusion of pain because of its hold on the mind. Its all an illusion! there is no time and space on the mental plane.

2)Hulk would NOT revert to banner if tortured by Tsukiyomi especially due to his split personality disorder. It would only make Hulk stronger

3)Hulk is highly resistant to telepathic effects.

4)Itachi wouldn't be able to hurt him outside of the Tsukiyomi realm. Even with the Amaterasu. His healing factor would save him. Plus he's had his heart melted(and still healed) by Gladiator whose heat beams are hotter than the sun.

[Jplaya2023]

Dude I see you let biast guide you instead of Logic.

1)Tsukiyomi only works on the mental plane and doesn't cause physical damage. It only gives the illusion of pain because of its hold on the mind. Its all an illusion! there is no time and space on the mental plane.

umm re read the manga or rewatch the episode, matter of fact

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUypoNjWOPw&mode=related&search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUypoNjWOPw&mode=related&search)=

itachi clearly states although its an illusion the pain is real so u lose on that.



2)Hulk would NOT revert to banner if tortured by Tsukiyomi especially due to his split personality disorder. It would only make Hulk stronger

Perhaps but him getting mad wont shorten the technique one bit, he just gonna be mad and dead

3)Hulk is highly resistant to telepathic effects.

Hulk has never faced a technique where he's in another dimension getting tortured for 3 straight days. So u can only speculate what would happen. Personally i think he's going to die.

4)Itachi wouldn't be able to hurt him outside of the Tsukiyomi realm. Even with the Amaterasu. His healing factor would save him. Plus he's had his heart melted(and still healed) by Gladiator whose heat beams are hotter than the sun.

Amaterasu would eradicate hulk to less than molecular level all signatures of his life force would be gone

[CBG]

Perhaps but him getting mad wont shorten the technique one bit, he just gonna be mad and dead

How so?

Hulk has never faced a technique where he's in another dimension getting tortured for 3 straight days. So u can only speculate what would happen. Personally i think he's going to die.

He'll live through the pain. He's not likely going to die.

[Nathan]

Yes, Hulk probably won't die. But he could still get a mental breakdown. I don't care how tough Hulk is. Going through intense pain for whole 72 hours without being able to move and defend yourself might be enough to even break his spirit.

[CBG]

Yes, Hulk probably won't die. But he could still get a mental breakdown. I don't care how tough Hulk is. Going through intense pain for whole 72 hours without being able to move and defend yourself might be enough to even break his spirit.

Depends how intense the pain is for Hulk.

So far, Tsukiyomi was performed twice. It was physical torture for Kakashi, and mental torture for Sasuke, replaying the death of his parents. Itachi would most likely go through physical torture, since he knows nothing of Hulk's history.

In addition, because Tsukiyomi hasn't been broken out of doesn't mean it can't. For all we know, Hulk may not be able to do anything, or he can break through his mental restraints (on the cross, as Kakashi was bound) through his will and strength.

Although it's not 616 mainstream, Hulk The End. Mutated cockroaches eat Hulk's body alive, and Hulk regenerated from that. Think of the eaten body as worse than Eva Unit 02 in End of Evangelion, when the Mass Produced series ate it. It's a range as how far his healing factor can go.

There's also intense, short pain vs. long, gradual pain.

I don't think the torture done on Kakashi will be equivalent to that of Hulk's skin being burnt off his bones.

[Ultra-Herald9]

My point is though that Tsukiyomi does not affect the real world and is merely an illusion. If the attacks were real then Kakashi would be LONG GONE but instead it seems the tsukoyomi directly stimulates the pain receptors through manipulation of the mind. The constant pain only leads to a mental breakdown like Kisame said. Kakashi was still able to speak afterwords and even still satnd a little. If this technique were to be used on the Hulk once the effect wore of he'd be ALOT stronger than he's probably ever been.


And plus Hulk isn't going to go through a mental breakdown or fall into the depths of insanity cause the Hulk isn't SANE! But I thought of something......Tsukiyomi could actually be used to defeat Hulk if Itachi soothed the Hulk rateher then torture him it could have an affect similar to what the Sentry did.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Also the Amaterasu probaby wouldn't work. Hulk would just keep constantly healing over and over again which would also make him stronger.


Jplaya ask yourself if you think Itachi could beat the nine tails by himself. Now do you think that Kyubi can possibly beat the Savage Hulk? Savage Hulk destroyed freakin Onslaughts armor with one blow a feat that was thought to be completely impossible!

[Sloth7d]

wolverine

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The Prime Z/GT-fighters:
SSJ4 Gojiita (will splitt to SSJ4 Gokou and SSJ4 Bejiita after 10 minutes), Ooboo, chou Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenkusu and mirai Torankusu.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/johhnyboi/gogeta.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/slushesd/UUB.jpg
http://puissancedbz.free.fr/wallpapers/gohan.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/djdfubu/SSJ3-Gotenks.jpg
http://www.u-blog.net/Sangoles/img/UltraSSJTrunks_1_.jpg
(Sorry for so many pictures, but I want to be specific.)

VS

The Celestials (all of them)
http://www.mutanthigh.com/aliens/celestials1.jpg

[Nathan]

Also the Amaterasu probaby wouldn't work. Hulk would just keep constantly healing over and over again which would also make him stronger.

It's all an Illusion. If Itachi wanted to, he could make Hulk think that his wounds aren't healing.

[CBG]

The Celestials. They are an entire race of the cosmic giants who are thousands of feet high. Each one of them is more powerful than a sentient Cosmic Cube, like Kubik and Kosmos.

[Jplaya2023]

GT wins easily.

[CBG]

I suppose you are not going to expand on that.

[Warhammer]

^Nope.
He never comes up with good reasons.

[CBG]

That so? Makes one wonder how did he garner those comments in his sig.

[Nathan]

Nothing more than delusions.

[CBG]

I suppose.

Believing that Goku, Batman, and Spider-Man are the most powerful characters in fiction tends to destroy what credibility one has.

[Warhammer]

That so? Makes one wonder how did he garner those comments in his sig.

Maybe those links happen to be real, but Jplaya is notorious for editing other people's posts. He's done it to me plenty of times in the Goku vs. Superman thread.

[Sloth7d]

SS4 Gogeta by himself can take on anything.
The Gt fighters win easily.

[CBG]

SSJ4 Gogeta is hardly the most powerful character in fiction.

He's not omnipotent.

[Sloth7d]

The guy was strong enough to toy with Omegashenron. And it took a universal spiritbomb to kill him. And I didn't say he was omnipotent.

[CBG]

Ah, my mistake. I apologize.

However, there are characters that even SSJ4 Gogeta can't even take on.

Curious, do you know who are the Celestials?

[Sloth7d]

I'll be honest. No. But when Ss4Gogeta was mentioned I didn't think I'd need to ask.

[CBG]

Ah. Understandable.

However, the entire Celestial race is far too much in this match-up.

[Sloth7d]

Are they omnipotent?

[CBG]

The Celestials are a race of Cosmic beings who were manifested by Eternity's meditation. The average Celestial is about 2000 ft. tall, and they are among the most powerful characters in the MU, being cosmic.

[Jplaya2023]

Maybe those links happen to be real, but Jplaya is notorious for editing other people's posts. He's done it to me plenty of times in the Goku vs. Superman thread.

absolute lies

[Sloth7d]

I understand where your coming from, but my vote stands for gogeta. Especially since he didn't use the full extent of his power.

[Jplaya2023]

I understand where your coming from, but my vote stands for gogeta. Especially since he didn't use the full extent of his power.

Exactly the one thing Gogeta showed was his bigbang kamehameha

[CBG]

absolute lies

I can see the doubt of why.

You nearly -- if not always -- edited the quotes when quoting my posts.

[Warhammer]

I can see the doubt of why.

You nearly -- if not always -- edited the quotes when quoting my posts.

Don't believe his bulls***.
He does that s*** all the time when he feels the need to. :down

[Warhammer]

absolute lies

Shut up.

[Jplaya2023]

I can see the doubt of why.

You nearly -- if not always -- edited the quotes when quoting my posts.

I dont add words or anything like dude means i just take out stuff that im not responding to i dont want to stretch the page.

[CBG]

I dont add words or anything like dude means i just take out stuff that im not responding to

And why so?

i dont want to stretch the page.

Trivial excuse.

[Jplaya2023]

And why so?


It doesnt pertain to my argument just useless rubble

Trivial excuse.

factual reason. Page stretching is a serious offense here

[CBG]

It doesnt pertain to my argument just useless rubble

Not really. You ignore most arguements.

factual reason. Page stretching is a serious offense here

Depends on the content of the post.

[Jplaya2023]

Not really. You ignore most arguements.

ignore is such a strong word. More like selectively decide whats good and what isnt


Depends on the content of the post.

Not here page stretchign = banning

[CBG]

ignore is such a strong word. More like selectively decide whats good and what isnt

Ignorance is ignorance, no matter how you cut it.

Not here page stretchign = banning

The limit being?

[Gotenks]

Team Gogeta wins this.
The Celestials can withstand planet busting punches and can regenerate their limbs in a heartbeat, but that has not stop the z-fighters yet.

[CBG]

When has it been shown or implied that the DB warriors can destroy a planet from their strength?

DB warriors would have trouble destroying one, maybe two Celestials. The entire race of them is not likely to be destroyed at the hands of the DB warriors. They probably expend most of their ki in destroying a few of them, if they even get that far.

[Gotenks]

..Um...I didnt say they could destroy a planet from their strength.

[CBG]

I interpretted it from 'planet busting punches'.

[Gotenks]

No I meant The Celestials can withstand planet busting punches. I never said the dbz warriors could dish them out.

[CBG]

Ah. My mistake then.

So how would you see the match go down?

[Gotenks]

Its no problem.
Well I would see them destroy a ranom city and the z-fighters would come out to play. The match would be one-sided in favor of the Celestials. The z-fighters would then power up to full form. They would still get pounded, but find a weakness. They blast the Celestials who then would regenerate. Goku would do the ultimate spirit bomb and desamate(spelling) them. The z-fighters would do one giant blast all together and destroy the remains.....

....something like that.

[CBG]

They would still get pounded, but find a weakness.

And that would be?

They blast the Celestials who then would regenerate. Goku would do the ultimate spirit bomb and desamate(spelling) them.

Spirit Bomb usually takes time to prepare. Celestials would note the energy building up before the Spirit Bomb would reach it's peak.

The z-fighters would do one giant blast all together and destroy the remains.....

....something like that

And there would still be Celestials left, if any were even gone. There's an entire race of them.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Its no problem.
Well I would see them destroy a ranom city and the z-fighters would come out to play. The match would be one-sided in favor of the Celestials. The z-fighters would then power up to full form. They would still get pounded, but find a weakness. They blast the Celestials who then would regenerate. Goku would do the ultimate spirit bomb and desamate(spelling) them. The z-fighters would do one giant blast all together and destroy the remains.....

....something like that.

Plus the Spirit Bomb wouldn't be all that effective since the celetials aren't really evil. Plus a Celestial could easily absorb or reflect the energy. The Celestials are extremly durabale so nothing but thier best blasts(like two SSJ4's blasting full power) would force them to regenerate and this isn't even taking in to account that they can teleport or attack the Z-warriors psychically and make them hallucinate.

Now if we are talking just one celestial then I think that the Z-warriors could pull out a win through fusion. But even two seems to me like instant defeat.

[LouFerignoDemon]

And that would be?



Spirit Bomb usually takes time to prepare. Celestials would note the energy building up before the Spirit Bomb would reach it's peak.



And there would still be Celestials left, if any were even gone. There's an entire race of them.

The Z-Fighter's aren't totally void of thought. Most, yes, but not all. They work together as a team, brain and muscle flowing nicely. Though the Celestials really don't seem to have any form of weakness at the moment, and their vibranium joints hold up rather well to energy based attacks.

And they could spend ten years charging up the Spirit Bomb. The Celestials hardly, if ever, note people attacking them. They could probably sit there and bombard them all day with large class energy attacks, and they'd probably just sit there looking out into the distance at their projects. Planetary destructive blasts aren't really something that can stop them. A full powered Thor attack which would've been capable of destroying a planet (via because Beta Ray Bill did in a similar fashion) didn't even register to them. So if they took enough time to charge up enough energy, chances are the Celestials wouldn't even pay it mind until it's too late. And we don't know if they have any form of cosmic awareness. It makes sense that they would, but we simply don't know.

Plus they usually roam in groups, so I doubt the Z-Fighters would really want to challenge one, when they move in five or six strong.

[Jplaya2023]

i just dont see goku and his homies losing here sorry.

[CBG]

Denial on your part, I suppose.

[LouFerignoDemon]

He's entitled to his opinion. I wouldn't let it bother you.

[Jplaya2023]

Denial on your part, I suppose.

nah

fact

[CBG]

Definite denial.

He's entitled to his opinion. I wouldn't let it bother you.

I try to. But I can't stand such things.

[wellsy]

How do you fight fire with fire?

Brig. Gen. Roy Mustang, The Flame Alchemist

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7150/fmamustang4de.jpg

v

Johnny Storm, the Flame.

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/video/stills/f4-flame_large.jpg

Have fun :word:

[Jplaya2023]

well jonny storm is fire so he wins

[Ultra-Herald9]

Johnny takes this EASILY.

[Gotenks]

And that would be?



Spirit Bomb usually takes time to prepare. Celestials would note the energy building up before the Spirit Bomb would reach it's peak.



And there would still be Celestials left, if any were even gone. There's an entire race of them.

Ok well what if they all had a pound of senzu beans each?:woot:

[Jplaya2023]

Ok well what if they all had a pound of senzu beans each?:woot:

its overkill really it is

[Gotenks]

Roy uses the oxygen in the air along with the his gloves, but fire cant really hurt johnny at all.
Roy would get burned bad......Johnny storm takes this one.

[narutofan236]

Johnny would take this one.

[Nathan]

Yeah, Fire can't hurt Johnny, but Roy doesn't simply create fire. With his abilities he can easily blow buildings up.

I vote Roy.

[CBG]

Ok well what if they all had a pound of senzu beans each?

Still lose.

its overkill really it is

In favour for the Celestial race.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't know about blowing buildings up, but Johnny could, without any form of enhancements, blow entire neighborhoods + up.

[Gotenks]

Still lose.

You can't always win.
You didnt even explain yourself.
I think with a certain amout of senzu beans they can take them down.

[CBG]

Well, that'd be quite a lot of Senzu Beans to annhilate the race. It's likely that the warriors would expend the majority of their energy to destroy 2 to 3 maximum at a time. In addition, I don't see the luxury of time available for the DB warriors in this battle to destroy the Celestials. You destroy one Celestial, the rest will notice immediately.

[Gotenks]

OK could you make a scale of how strong The Celestials are a scale of 1 to 10?
And then the same with the z-fighters chosen in this fight?
I'm just curious.

[CBG]

Well, give what number would denote what character. Like, 1 being Heero Yuy, 8 being Luffy (going by random here).

[Gotenks]

All im talking about are The Celestials and the z-fighters none of those other guys.
Im asking for your opinion.

[CBG]

If 10's the maximum, a Celestial would be at 10. Although they are one of the most powerful cosmic races in the Marvel Universe, I believe the Beyonder race is more powerful.

[Warhammer]

- Celestials beat the Z-fighters.
- Human Torch definitely wins.

[LouFerignoDemon]

OK could you make a scale of how strong The Celestials are a scale of 1 to 10?
And then the same with the z-fighters chosen in this fight?
I'm just curious.

Scale of one to ten, working on the abilities and raw power of cosmic entities in comparison?

10+ are Celestials. People who could easily transverse dimensions, destroy solar systems fairly easily, go around unchallenged by the entire universe, and are acknolwledged as gods by the Eternals who are in turn acknolwedged as gods on Earth, who can manipulate matter, physics, and have a seemingly endless store of energy, would definitely be 10+.

If you were to compare the Z-fighters on the same scale, they'd be a 2. All they can really do is destroy things and teleport to several places instantly, which is something Celestials should easily be able to do given the nature of their powers.


And I doubt senzu beans would make a true difference in the outcome. But it might. Celestials have never been pushed to any sort of limit, nor has anybody been close to presenting anything of a challenge to them.

[CBG]

go around unchallenged by the entire universe

The Watchers are considered their 'rivals', in a sense.

Celestials have never been pushed to any sort of limit,

I know a Celestial was destroyed by blasts from other Celestials.

Celestials have never been pushed to any sort of limit, nor has anybody been close to presenting anything of a challenge to them.

Well, Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, back in Infinity Gauntlet #5, I believe, if not #4. However, only two Celestials were there, and they directed planets at Thanos when they pointed. One of them was recognizeable as the One Above All. I think the second one was Arishem, but it's been awhile.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The Watchers are considered their 'rivals', in a sense.



I know a Celestial was destroyed by blasts from other Celestials.



Well, Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, back in Infinity Gauntlet #5, I believe, if not #4. However, only two Celestials were there, and they directed planets at Thanos when they pointed. One of them was recognizeable as the One Above All. I think the second one was Arishem, but it's been awhile.

Little bit different on all counts. The Watchers are totally undefined, but are usually considered the whipping dogs if they ever WERE to go against the Celestials. Both practice different ideas, but they don't really seem to come into conflict unless a certain bad moral Watcher needs to defend Earth.

Celestials of course pose a threat to themselves. I'm talking about things other than themselves. Celestials as a race, not as individuals. Well, individuals, but as a race still.

The Infinity Gauntlet Thanos was of course more powerful than a Celestial. You gave him run of all reality. Thanos himself wasn't a threat to the Celestials more than ANYBODY who bore the Infinity Gauntlet against them.

[CBG]

Little bit different on all counts. The Watchers are totally undefined, but are usually considered the whipping dogs if they ever WERE to go against the Celestials. Both practice different ideas, but they don't really seem to come into conflict unless a certain bad moral Watcher needs to defend Earth.

Understandable. Watchers' preach non-interference, Celestials manipulate lifeforms and races.

In Fantastic Four, didn't the Celestials came in direct conflict with the Watchers? The Celestials judged that the Watcher race was unfit to survive, and yet, they were engaged in conflict for years, years, and years. Watchers are powerful in their own right, if the Celestials can't follow up their judgment in the conflict between the two.

Celestials of course pose a threat to themselves. I'm talking about things other than themselves. Celestials as a race, not as individuals. Well, individuals, but as a race still.

Tiamat, the Dreaming Celestial, for example, right?

The Infinity Gauntlet Thanos was of course more powerful than a Celestial. You gave him run of all reality. Thanos himself wasn't a threat to the Celestials more than ANYBODY who bore the Infinity Gauntlet against them.

Understandable.

[Gotenks]

Scale of one to ten, working on the abilities and raw power of cosmic entities in comparison?

10+ are Celestials. People who could easily transverse dimensions, destroy solar systems fairly easily, go around unchallenged by the entire universe, and are acknolwledged as gods by the Eternals who are in turn acknolwedged as gods on Earth, who can manipulate matter, physics, and have a seemingly endless store of energy, would definitely be 10+.

If you were to compare the Z-fighters on the same scale, they'd be a 2. All they can really do is destroy things and teleport to several places instantly, which is something Celestials should easily be able to do given the nature of their powers.


And I doubt senzu beans would make a true difference in the outcome. But it might. Celestials have never been pushed to any sort of limit, nor has anybody been close to presenting anything of a challenge to them.

Thanks thats all I was asking.

[Gotenks]

I know a Celestial was destroyed by blasts from other Celestials.

So can't the z-fighters just trick them into killing each other?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Understandable. Watchers' preach non-interference, Celestials manipulate lifeforms and races.

In Fantastic Four, didn't the Celestials came in direct conflict with the Watchers? The Celestials judged that the Watcher race was unfit to survive, and yet, they were engaged in conflict for years, years, and years. Watchers are powerful in their own right, if the Celestials can't follow up their judgment in the conflict between the two.



Tiamat, the Dreaming Celestial, for example, right?



Understandable.

I know which FF you were referencing to, but they weren't in direct contact, they were just undoing each other's works. Celestials plant life, the Watchers interfere, ruining their work. The Watchers SHOULD be able to fight the Celestials, but they've already shown what would happen with the enslavement of the Watchers.

The Dreaming Celestial couldn't be killed, and they tried hard. But I meant that nobody other than Celestials, aside from the obvious ones like the Tribunal, pose threats to the Celestials, as Celestials usually don't turn on themselves like the Dreaming one did.

Galactus is allegedly more powerful than Celestials when he's fed, but they've never really shown this.

But I can easily see where you're coming from.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Thanks thats all I was asking.

Not a problem. Celestials were just born to be the end all of things sort of deal. Kind of like how to show just how small we really are and such.

[LouFerignoDemon]

So can't the z-fighters just trick them into killing each other?

They might. But the Celestials usually (at least they haven't been shown to yet) aren't tricked into things, and really care very little about things other than their experiments. Lifeforms and their development are the only things they care about.

But come to think about it, as I was commenting in my last post. Galactus goes around and actually destroys their experiments, one would think that the Celestials, being so interested with their experiments, would defend them from Galactus. I wonder why they don't. I really wish Marvel had better direction for their cosmic entities. They don't do their jobs even half the time.

[CBG]

Thanks thats all I was asking.[/quote[]

Alrighty. I have to make them more detailed next time *notes to self*

[quote]So can't the z-fighters just trick them into killing each other?

That's very unlikely. I don't think the Celestials would even consider the thought of talking to them.

I know which FF you were referencing to, but they weren't in direct contact, they were just undoing each other's works. Celestials plant life, the Watchers interfere, ruining their work. The Watchers SHOULD be able to fight the Celestials, but they've already shown what would happen with the enslavement of the Watchers.

Ah. Understandable.

The Dreaming Celestial couldn't be killed, and they tried hard. But I meant that nobody other than Celestials, aside from the obvious ones like the Tribunal, pose threats to the Celestials, as Celestials usually don't turn on themselves like the Dreaming one did.

Yeah. Tiamat killed another Celestial and was exiled for his crime, if I remember correctly.

Galactus is allegedly more powerful than Celestials when he's fed, but they've never really shown this.

True. From my readings, anyways.

But I can easily see where you're coming from.

Ditto.

[CBG]

But come to think about it, as I was commenting in my last post. Galactus goes around and actually destroys their experiments, one would think that the Celestials, being so interested with their experiments, would defend them from Galactus. I wonder why they don't. I really wish Marvel had better direction for their cosmic entities. They don't do their jobs even half the time.

Perhaps they are aware of Galactus' essential cosmic role in the MU as the balance between Eternity and Death.

[LouFerignoDemon]

[quote]Thanks thats all I was asking.[/quote[]

Alrighty. I have to make them more detailed next time *notes to self*



That's very unlikely. I don't think the Celestials would even consider the thought of talking to them.



Ah. Understandable.



Yeah. Tiamat killed another Celestial and was exiled for his crime, if I remember correctly.



True. From my readings, anyways.



Ditto.

Yeah, Tiamat went against the primary Celestial code of killing another Celestial. I don't think they gave a reason, it was some time ago I read it, but he was exiled for it, and "put to sleep". Hence, Dreaming Celestial. He was also considered one of the most powerful Celestials. Ashema was considered in his range, I believe, but I doubt "she" could compare.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Perhaps they are aware of Galactus' essential cosmic role in the MU as the balance between Eternity and Death.

It's a possibility. But then they would know that the role of Galactus must simply be filled, which one of them could most easily do. And if his role was to eat planets, then all one of them would have to do is eat the billions of planets they do not experiment on.

[Gotenks]

That's very unlikely. I don't think the Celestials would even consider the thought of talking to them.

Well thats not what I meant. What I meant for example the z-fighters move out of the way right before one of them throw a punch or a blast and hitting another Celestial, etc, etc....

[LouFerignoDemon]

They'd probably launch an attack, and given the nature of their powers, they'd only miss once due to underestimating the speed of their assailants. They wouldn't miss a second time.

[CBG]

Yeah, Tiamat went against the primary Celestial code of killing another Celestial. I don't think they gave a reason, it was some time ago I read it, but he was exiled for it, and "put to sleep". Hence, Dreaming Celestial. He was also considered one of the most powerful Celestials. Ashema was considered in his range, I believe, but I doubt "she" could compare.

Well, he's being brought back in Neil Gaiman's Eternals series, from the looks of it.

It's a possibility. But then they would know that the role of Galactus must simply be filled, which one of them could most easily do. And if his role was to eat planets, then all one of them would have to do is eat the billions of planets they do not experiment on.

Understandable. However, I understood it that Galactus was chosen by Etenity for the role, who saved him from the previous universe.

Well thats not what I meant. What I meant for example the z-fighters move out of the way right before one of them throw a punch or a blast and hitting another Celestial, etc, etc....

If they succeeded once, they won't again. Celestials aren't that simple minded.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, he's being brought back in Neil Gaiman's Eternals series, from the looks of it.



Understandable. However, I understood it that Galactus was chosen by Etenity for the role, who saved him from the previous universe.



If they succeeded once, they won't again. Celestials aren't that simple minded.

I think Galan was chosen pretty much because the Phoenix only saved Galan, and needed to pass himself on quickly. The next person like Galan wouldn't show up for a billion years, and that Eternity would've been long dead. Plus, it would be safe to assume that Galan would be more likely to accept the role, knowing what not accepting it would mean. Where someone who was told they had to eat planets to keep the universe alive wouldn't do it most likely.

[CBG]

I think Galan was chosen pretty much because the Phoenix only saved Galan, and needed to pass himself on quickly.

Phoenix saved him? That was mentioned in the Handbooks, right?

Handbooks are usually guide to continuity. There are some bios that need a few clean-ups in some sections.

But if Galactus' origin has been retconned to Phoenix saving him. . . well, retcon is a retcon.

The next person like Galan wouldn't show up for a billion years, and that Eternity would've been long dead.

Understandable.

Or humanity evolves into Eternities, as described in X-Men Forever. Ridiculous, but canon, last I read.

Plus, it would be safe to assume that Galan would be more likely to accept the role, knowing what not accepting it would mean. Where someone who was told they had to eat planets to keep the universe alive wouldn't do it most likely.

Understandable.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

How do you fight fire with fire?

Brig. Gen. Roy Mustang, The Flame Alchemist



v

Johnny Storm, the Flame.



Have fun :word:
Thank you for creating a match, please do an other, my cpu is messed up.

[wellsy]

I make that 3-1 in favour of The Flame.

I personally choose Roy (not counting myself in the vote, btw). His shockwave would be quite something, and with a Sage's Stone ring...

Anyways, thanks for the endorsement SSJ4, I do appreciate it.

My next match:

Zolf J Kimblee, the Crimson Alchemist (theme developing?:ninja: )

http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/002/514/622_1f8776c0f7cd53c4302cdd2d8fdae169.jpg

v

The Punisher

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/punisher/pun01.jpg

Guns and bombs... what fun :wow:

[Sloth7d]

The punisher.

[Gotenks]

His name is Johnny Strom " The Human Torch".

[Ultra-Herald9]

wow this one is tough but I say kimblee......

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Whishlist battle by:PedroBallax

Kenshiro
http://www13.ocn.ne.jp/~toyosin/kenshiro_festa1.gif

VS

Shang Chi
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/d/d0/Shang_Chi.jpg/442px-Shang_Chi.jpg

[Sloth7d]

Kenshiro takes this qauite easily.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Kenshiro takes this qauite easily.

So easily its not even freakin funny. Kenshiro.

[CBG]

Kenshiro.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

X-23
http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/X23/x23001_var.jpg

VS

Videru - Videl
As Greatsaiyawoman/Greatsayiaman 2 (Shorthaired, capable of flying)
http://www.geocities.com/supersanne16/DBZ/videl6.gif

[Jplaya2023]

videl wins

[Ultra-Herald9]

I'd say X-23. Videl can't do anything to X that she can't just heal.

[Sloth7d]

Videl would win. She's stronger and faster than Mr.Satan. Who can rip a phonebook in half(no really think about how strong that is) and bull a tractor trailer. She also can fly. I'd say she could knock X-23 unconscious, but not kill her.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Videl would win. She's stronger and faster than Mr.Satan. Who can rip a phonebook in half(no really think about how strong that is) and bull a tractor trailer. She also can fly. I'd say she could knock X-23 unconscious, but not kill her.


X-23 can easily do the things that Hercule can. Her strength is near that of Wolverine himself(wolverine is superhumanly strong). Plus I don't remember them ever saying that she was stronger than Mr.Satan they just said she was a better fighter.

[Sloth7d]

Wolverine isn't even peak human. And X-23 is definately not as strong as him.
I'd say X-23 has olympic level strenth.
And I can't remember the statement Gohan made. But I think he said more powerful. I'll check later.
Eitherway I still give the edge to videl because she can fly and gave Spopavich a run for his money at first.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Wolverine isn't even peak human. And X-23 is definately not as strong as him.
I'd say X-23 has olympic level strenth.
And I can't remember the statement Gohan made. But I think he said more powerful. I'll check later.
Eitherway I still give the edge to videl because she can fly and gave Spopavich a run for his money at first.

Wolverine(I can't believe i'm defending wolverine) is well above peak human strength and agility. Even in his earliest appearences he could lift over a ton.

[Sloth7d]

Wolverine(I can't believe i'm defending wolverine) is well above peak human strength and agility. Even in his earliest appearences he could lift over a ton.
Hmmm...really? I'll take your word on it. Because I already know you wouldn't say it if there weren't some evidence behind it.
But eitherway, its X-23 we're talking about. If this were Wolverine vs Videl I'd vote wolvy, but X-23 is lacking in the areas of strenth and speed Wolverine exels in.

[Nathan]

From Marveldirectory.com

Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.

[Ultra-Herald9]

From Marveldirectory.com

Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.

Marvel Directory isn't the best place to go to for comic book info. Marvel Database is better.

[wellsy]

Sorry about earlier - yes, it is 3-1 in favour of the Human Torch (sorry about any confusion).

And I'd say its a draw between Kimblee and the Punisher at one apiece.

I'll post another match later.

[Ultra-Herald9]

From Marveldirectory.com

Strength Level: While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.


If that were his maximum then he would have a hard time ripping through those steel chains like he did. Wolverine has Superhuman strength and I don't know what these guy's who wrote these articles are smokin but wolverine has shown strength way beyond that of a normal human.

[Endless Mike]

Okay, I've been reading through some of the earlier pages in the thread, and I just have to say some of this stuff is ridiculous.

For one thing, putting DBZ characters up against Celestials is just a one - sided slaughter. A single Celestial could annihilate every DBZ character in an instant.

If you want anime/manga characters that could take on Celestials, try something like the Mazoku from Slayers or the various demons and angels from Bastard!!.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Sorry about earlier - yes, it is 3-1 in favour of the Human Torch (sorry about any confusion).

And I'd say its a draw between Kimblee and the Punisher at one apiece.

I'll post another match later.
No... You ask me for premission. By PM;ing me. Like everyone else.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Okay, I've been reading through some of the earlier pages in the thread, and I just have to say some of this stuff is ridiculous.

For one thing, putting DBZ characters up against Celestials is just a one - sided slaughter. A single Celestial could annihilate every DBZ character in an instant.

If you want anime/manga characters that could take on Celestials, try something like the Mazoku from Slayers or the various demons and angels from Bastard!!.
Seems like you're cunning, do you also know the power of L-sama?

[Endless Mike]

Seems like you're cunning, do you also know the power of L-sama?

I said a fair match, she would easily beat the Celestials.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I said a fair match, she would easily beat the Celestials.
Yeah, she would be like Eternity or Multi-Eternity at max: Living Tribunal.
Obviously she would be able to take on them with relative ease.

She's the begining, time, matter, energy, magic and the end.
In other words a semi-version of God.

She's battleling Thanos with the Heart and Classic Beyonder (not on the same time, it's two different battles) a couple of pages back, unfortunaly she didnt get a single vote.

And I use DB character's against beings like celestial's sometimes to prove that they are overated. Step by step they all learn.

[Endless Mike]

No, she's omnipotent, a Supreme Being. That's Presence or TOAA level.

[Gotenks]

Okay, I've been reading through some of the earlier pages in the thread, and I just have to say some of this stuff is ridiculous.

For one thing, putting DBZ characters up against Celestials is just a one - sided slaughter. A single Celestial could annihilate every DBZ character in an instant.

If you want anime/manga characters that could take on Celestials, try something like the Mazoku from Slayers or the various demons and angels from Bastard!!.

Yeah right!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No, she's omnipotent, a Supreme Being. That's Presence or TOAA level.
Omnipotence is a title that have been given away to even Eternity.

Supreme being (Marvel), Presence, Classic Beyonder is all avatar's of the writers.

She is a fictional character, she have no chanse against those.

[CBG]

In reality, those who are really omnipotent goes to beings/authorities like The Presence and The One Above All.

I prefer to think LT, IG, HOTU, etc. as nigh-omnipotent. After all, how can one be more omnipotent than another?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

HOTU nigh-omnipotent?
It's the power and essance of the Supreme being.

[CBG]

And yet, it destroyed a universe.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Yes, it destroyed all Thanos knew of.
Even the IG affected the Multi-verse.

[CBG]

Thanos confirmed himself that the universe was destroyed. Even Warlock said the universe was destroyed.

You can see the term 'universe' used in the opening page of Marvel The End #1. And it's reiterated again by Warlock in its restoration in Marvel The End #6.

And when did the IG affect the multiverse?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

It was even stated that Thanos could reach the other realms.

[CBG]

Where? TQ, IG, IC, IW?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Thanos confirmed himself that the universe was destroyed. Even Warlock said the universe was destroyed.

You can see the term 'universe' used in the opening page of Marvel The End #1. And it's reiterated again by Warlock in its restoration in Marvel The End #6.

And when did the IG affect the multiverse?
It was stated that Thanos could reach other realms, he did only destroy what he was mad at.
Thanos with the IG did only manipulate this universe.
But when Magus got the glove he wanted to take controll over all the Multi-verse, that's were he was stopped.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Where? TQ, IG, IC, IW?
Give me 15 minutes to get scans. BRB

[CBG]

Other realms as in other realities outside the 616? Which issue?

And which issue of the Infinity War did Magus referred to the multiverse?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Thanos with he Heart was bonded to Omni-reality. (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoumakesyouomniall7do.jpg)

Magus with a incomplete Gauntlet affected the Multi-verse, not just the 616 universe. (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igcontrolsall63pf.jpg)

The Gauntlet makes you supreme over all the universes. (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg)

Thanos states it again after he lost it (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igoverallthatis4oe.jpg)


Sorry but I will have to ask for the other scans.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The Infinity Gauntlet is Multi-versal:


From where? . . . many realities away (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusmanyrealitiesaway2ai8.jpg)

. . . Many realities away (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magusfaraway4qk.jpg)

Galactus and others traveling... "In a time and place that is neither"... (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1gfindingmagusva4.jpg)

Where do they end up? . . . "In a Reality many steps removed from our own" (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2gfindingmagusem4.jpg)

Silver Surfer: We must return to our reality. (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3gfindingmagusnk2.jpg)

Here's were Adam get's kidnapped by Magus' reality/universe (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awin616getstakenawaygs2.jpg)

Magus remakes a universe, beyond his own. (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myw4.jpg)

Adam remakes the universe from an other universe. (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igremakesverse8li.jpg)

Again: All universes. (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg)

LT stop's Magus, but why not Thanos? - Becuase Thanos only wanted to rule over one universe. (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltnoig1lw8.jpg)

2nd (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltnoig2zv1.jpg)

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to delete and recreate the Multi-verse out of nothing. (He did this to remove the Multi-versal being Abraxas from the Multi-verse)
Reed presses the button (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.jpg)

It destroys the Multi-verse (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg)

It recreats the Multi-verse (It was programed) (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.jpg)

Quasar uses the Nullifier on Magus with an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet. (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun2pi1.jpg)

But the gauntlet is so superior that the Nullifier don't work if against the wielder of the I-IG (incmplete IG). (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun3sw2.jpg)

[SSJ4_Mikael]

UN destroys the Multi-verse - http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unismulticv0.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

HOTU >> IG >> UN > Multiverse
http://img423.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoumakesyousupreme1du4.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Thanos w/ THOTU
http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook17qj.jpg

Each spheare is a universe, he could have destroyed Atlezes realm, but he didn't.

Proof that each shpeare is a universe.
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook21qc.jpg

[Endless Mike]

Omnipotence is a title that have been given away to even Eternity.

Supreme being (Marvel), Presence, Classic Beyonder is all avatar's of the writers.

She is a fictional character, she have no chanse against those.

Your argument would only hold weight if the Marvel and DC writers also wrote for the Slayers universe.

[Endless Mike]

Yeah right!

Glad you agree.:cool:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Your argument would only hold weight if the Marvel and DC writers also wrote for the Slayers universe.
She created Slayer Universe - Best feature
She was only in some OVA ep's so not much was stated.
- Still you hear on some forums that she equal God (Marvel), Beyonder and Presence.
She's not an avatar of the writers/authors therefore not as powerful as the once I listed above.

What makes you think that she equal the big three?

[Endless Mike]

She not only created the Slayers universe, but also the Lost Galaxy universe, and two other, unnamed universes (these are only the ones known, it's possible and highly probable she created more). It's also said that she did this effortlessly, because she was bored. There are lots of cosmics and really powerful, universe - shaking beings in that continuum, like Shabranigdo and Valgaav, but they are all literally nothing to her since she could unmake them at any time. The spell that is cast by invoking her power, the Giga Slave, can destroy the universe if cast incorrectly. Note that she doesn't consider it a big deal if this happens.

Really, there are many beings in different fictional universes that take the role of 'God' and are equal to TOAA or the Presence.

Just off the top of my head:

-Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)
-The One (Young Wizards)
-Eru Illuvatar (Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion, that universe)
-The Star Maker (book of the same title, this guy was ridiculously powerful, creating countless universes and destroying them)
- Kami Tenchi (Tenchi Muyo, although in this case he merely has the potential to reach this state and we only saw a brief glimpse of what he was truly capable of)

Really, it's not that uncommon or something that Marvel and DC have a monopoly on.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

As I said, the user of the Infinity Gauntlet ( . . . or even the Ultimate Nullifier) can destroy and recreate the Multi-verse effortlessly - If the Living Tribunal don't want to stop it that is.

So creating Universes is a lame feature here.
There's at least 15 characters in Marvel that can do it effortlessly.

TOAA is a celestial or the Living Tribunal's boss, it have no connections to God/The supreme being, at least any we know of.

[Endless Mike]

I was speaking to the being LT refers to as the head honcho, it's generally assumed that he/she/it created the Marvel multiverse.

Anyway, your logic is flawed. You might as well say that if you dropped the Presence into the Slayers-verse, his power would be less impressive than L-sama. You could even make the argument that since the Presence had trouble with the Great Evil Beast, and L-sama never had trouble with anything, then she's much more powerful than he is. Generally, when you have a being that meets the following three requirements:

- Created a fictional universe/multiverse (this includes everything ever shown or hinted at in canon)
- Has the capability to uncreate said universe/multiverse
- Is unchallenged by anything it has ever encountered, and never experienced difficulty with any task

That being can be considered to be omnipotent, or a Supreme Being. Trying to argue feats and such beyond that point is kind of ridiculous, and gets deep into speculative territory.

[CBG]

Oi. This is going to take me awhile to address.

[LouFerignoDemon]

As I said, the user of the Infinity Gauntlet ( . . . or even the Ultimate Nullifier) can destroy and recreate the Multi-verse effortlessly - If the Living Tribunal don't want to stop it that is.

So creating Universes is a lame feature here.
There's at least 15 characters in Marvel that can do it effortlessly.

TOAA is a celestial or the Living Tribunal's boss, it have no connections to God/The supreme being, at least any we know of.

Try two. Franklin and The One Above All (not the Celestial.) They're the only ones with universe creating powers. Others can mold it, some can separate parts of it, but only two can create it.

[Endless Mike]

Try two. Franklin and The One Above All (not the Celestial.) They're the only ones with universe creating powers. Others can mold it, some can separate parts of it, but only two can create it.

Sise - Neg did it too.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sise - Neg did it too.

Hmm... I don't know who you're talking about. O.o

[Endless Mike]

Hmm... I don't know who you're talking about. O.o

Guy Doctor Strange and Baron Mordo went. Saw him go back in time and create a universe. Never heard from again (under that name, at least).

[LouFerignoDemon]

I must've missed it. Thanks for the hookup, I'll definitely check it out!

[CBG]

Might as well start one issue by one issue.

Thanos with he Heart was bonded to Omni-reality.

HOTU >> IG >> UN > Multiverse
http://img423.imageshack.us/my.php?i...upreme1du4.jpg

With regards to the HOTU Thanos

Page 12 of the sixth issue. Adam Warlock makes his entrance, Thanos stating he missed the destruction of the universe. Atleza's maintenance of the 616 universe has been terminated, no mention of the other universes she has to maintain from falling into the cosmic abyss.

http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theend0612tato7qy.jpg

Page 18 of the sixth issue. Warlock clarifies that Death exists on a plane outside of the 616 reality. Therefore, something still exists despite Thanos absorbing 'the multiverse'.

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theend0618tato4hd.jpg

Page 21. Adam Warlock stating the universe is restored.

http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theend0621tato3yo.jpg

Even the cancer was universal.

And the first page.

http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marveluniversetheend1p02hgwell.jpg

"All reality has come to an end."

Omni-reality = all reality. Omni is Greek for all, if I'm not mistaken.

"But I did not destroy the universe for the reasons you would assume."

All reality has come to an end; the universe was destroyed. Thus, all/omni reality must refer to the universe.

"You see, I gained complete mastery over all that was."

Most people translate 'all that is' with the multiverse. In here, we see Thanos do and say that (though referring in past tense); he was one with omni reality and that same all reality has ended. Yet, the universe was destroyed.

[Warhammer]

If we are still in that Videl vs. X-23 battle, I say X-23 wins.
She has way more durability and I think she is stronger.

Wolverine (from Marvel Encylopedia) is in the range of 800 lbs. to 25 tons in lifting strength. X-23 is near that level. Videl is nowhere close.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Might as well start one issue by one issue.



With regards to the HOTU Thanos

Page 12 of the sixth issue. Adam Warlock makes his entrance, Thanos stating he missed the destruction of the universe. Atleza's maintenance of the 616 universe has been terminated, no mention of the other universes she has to maintain from falling into the cosmic abyss.



Page 18 of the sixth issue. Warlock clarifies that Death exists on a plane outside of the 616 reality. Therefore, something still exists despite Thanos absorbing 'the multiverse'.



Page 21. Adam Warlock stating the universe is restored.



Even the cancer was universal.

And the first page.



"All reality has come to an end."

Omni-reality = all reality. Omni is Greek for all, if I'm not mistaken.

"But I did not destroy the universe for the reasons you would assume."

All reality has come to an end; the universe was destroyed. Thus, all/omni reality must refer to the universe.

"You see, I gained complete mastery over all that was."

Most people translate 'all that is' with the multiverse. In here, we see Thanos do and say that (though referring in past tense); he was one with omni reality and that same all reality has ended. Yet, the universe was destroyed.
Again, Thanos' vision of Godhood is:
http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igequalgodhood3vc.jpg
To have absolute control over a universe.
That's why he didnt use the IG multi-versaly like Magus did.
But Magus did a gesture and all the abstracts in the Multi-verse was gone (without the Living Tribunal of course).
And he did it with a incomplete Infinity gauntlet, however the tribunal restores every abstract and summons Magus and them for a meeting.
And the Tribunal did only care because it affected the Multi-verse.
Before that he let Thanos have full control over the universe he was in.
But what did make the Tribunal to go against Thanos with the Heart?
- Simply because he had the supreme being's power (TOAA's)
That brought unbalacne upon the Multi-verse, but he never inteend to take over something more than a universe.

[CBG]

Again, Thanos' vision of Godhood is:
http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?i...godhood3vc.jpg
To have absolute control over a universe.

From the scan provided, he said 'all things are possible'. Do we interpret that at a universal level, as you describe?

That's why he didnt use the IG multi-versaly like Magus did.
But Magus did a gesture and all the abstracts in the Multi-verse was gone (without the Living Tribunal of course).

In Infinity War?

And he did it with a incomplete Infinity gauntlet, however the tribunal restores every abstract and summons Magus and them for a meeting.
And the Tribunal did only care because it affected the Multi-verse.
Before that he let Thanos have full control over the universe he was in.
But what did make the Tribunal to go against Thanos with the Heart?
- Simply because he had the supreme being's power (TOAA's)
That brought unbalacne upon the Multi-verse, but he never inteend to take over something more than a universe.

Though, I remember in Infinity War that Magus was using the incomplete IG to affect the 616 reality. Yes, they were many realities away, but the point is that Magus was using the incomplete IG to affect the 616 reality. I don't remember the IG affecting an alternate reality, say 238 for example.

Yes, we know that the Heart of the Infinite -- later named Heart of the Universe -- was to the power that He coveted, which would logically be the multiversal, if not megaversal, The One Above All.

Though, in Marvel The End #6, Thanos' fury was raged and he tried to absorb everything that he could which could defy his rule. I don't think Thanos would be conscious enough at that point in anger and fury to limit himself to a specific area (universe). If was was bonded with omni-reality -- which would logically translate to all possible realities -- in his absorbtion, he'd absorb all reality, which he did. Yet, only the universe was destroyed.

With reference to the Ultimate Nullifier, I'll have to recheck my Abraxas FF comics. However, since Abraxas was known as the Dimensional Destroyer, wouldn't he be able to use the UN to a greater affect than anyone else, due to the power he wielded and not concerning the Nullifier?

In terms of Quasar in Infinity War, didn't Quasar struggled with the UN, stating that if he messed up, the universe would have been destroyed, instead of Magus? Just because the UN may have multiversal destroying potential, doesn't mean that every wielder will be able to harness it.

[Whirlysplat]

Try two. Franklin and The One Above All (not the Celestial.) They're the only ones with universe creating powers. Others can mold it, some can separate parts of it, but only two can create it.

Wrong.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Wrong.

- Whirly

I love how your world must revolve around me.

And if you knew how to read correctly (I know you have dyslexia. Don't stress it.) you'd know that someone else already corrected me. But keep trying to get your post count higher.

[Whirlysplat]

I love how your world must revolve around me.

And if you knew how to read correctly (I know you have dyslexia. Don't stress it.) you'd know that someone else already corrected me. But keep trying to get your post count higher.

Nah I just look for your posts first as they are funniest my world revolves around my son. That's why I post less than you.

Please explain how Gravity stops for me again. hilarious.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nah I just look for your posts first as they are funniest my world revolves around my son. That's why I post less than you.

Please explain how Gravity stops for me again. hilarious.

- Whirly

Nah, you search for me because of some insecurity, I'm sure of it. Otherwise, you wouldn't.

As for gravity stopping? I'm afraid I don't understand. If you mean that gravity loses it's pull at an extreme distance, and no longer functions in it's purpose, then yes, it would stop given enough distance.

[Whirlysplat]

Nah, you search for me because of some insecurity, I'm sure of it. Otherwise, you wouldn't.

As for gravity stopping? I'm afraid I don't understand. If you mean that gravity loses it's pull at an extreme distance, and no longer functions in it's purpose, then yes, it would stop given enough distance.

No I search because you amuse me.

Ahh, changing your stance again, even this statement is incredibly simplistic, you said the sun loses it's strong pull at the end of the Solar system. Please tell me where this is as no one really knows. All Solar systems are interacting with each other at a gravitational level this is why Galaxies exist all Galaxies pull on each other this is why Galactic Clusters exist. You are incredibly dim.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

No I search because you amuse me.

Ahh, changing your stance again, even this statement is incredibly simplistic, you said the sun loses it's strong pull at the end of the Solar system. Please tell me where this is as no one really knows. All Solar systems are interacting with each other at a gravitational level this is why Galaxies exist all Galaxies pull on each other this is why Galactic Clusters exist. You are incredibly dim.

- Whirly

So you ignore your son to search for my stuff because, as you said, you waste far too much time on the Hype? Some father you must be. :whatever:

Apparently someone doesn't study physics as well as they should. Dark energy holds our universe as it does. Galaxies don't really pull on each other unless they're close enough. Galaxies don't really have this even spacing between them from galaxy to galaxy holding each other in a fragile balance. I don't even know why you say that. That's dumb as crap. While some galaxies definitely pull on each other, the amount of galaxies would be fairly small as galaxies are so absolutely far apart, and with so much debris in the middle to not be pulled in. Since, if a galaxies pull was so absolutely strong, they would pull in themselves to single points, and there would be no free floating debris in the universe, and galaxies would eventually all crash into each other as one galaxy becomes two, pulls in another, and another, and another.

And if the sun DIDN'T decrease it's pull at all, we'd simply pull in everything around us. But then again, you probably think the entire universe is held together by our sun. So the proof is the "strong pull ending" at the end of our solar system because we don't drag the Centauri solar system into ours. Of course, this is using relative physics. Quantum physics simply believes that the number of gravitons dissapate as they get further away from larger objects to small numbers that don't really matter, and that after this, dark energy starts to take the place of conventional gravity.

[Whirlysplat]

So you ignore your son to search for my stuff because, as you said, you waste far too much time on the Hype? Some father you must be. :whatever:


He's one, One year olds sleep a lot.

Doh!


Apparently someone doesn't study physics as well as they should. Dark energy holds our universe as it does. Galaxies don't really pull on each other unless they're close enough. Galaxies don't really have this even spacing between them from galaxy to galaxy holding each other in a fragile balance. I don't even know why you say that. That's dumb as crap. While some galaxies definitely pull on each other, the amount of galaxies would be fairly small as galaxies are so absolutely far apart, and with so much debris in the middle to not be pulled in. Since, if a galaxies pull was so absolutely strong, they would pull in themselves to single points, and there would be no free floating debris in the universe, and galaxies would eventually all crash into each other as one galaxy becomes two, pulls in another, and another, and another.

And if the sun DIDN'T decrease it's pull at all, we'd simply pull in everything around us. But then again, you probably think the entire universe is held together by our sun. So the proof is the "strong pull ending" at the end of our solar system because we don't drag the Centauri solar system into ours. Of course, this is using relative physics. Quantum physics simply believes that the number of gravitons dissapate as they get further away from larger objects to small numbers that don't really matter, and that after this, dark energy starts to take the place of conventional gravity.

Actually the amount of Dark matter discovered is far less than needed. Yes 90% of the Gravity needed for the celestial bodies to behave as they do is Dark Matter, that doesn't mean visible objects are not important they make up 10% lol.

Changing the goalposts again.

As for where the Solar System ends, It's not the last planet it's the Oort cloud.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

He's one, One year olds sleep a lot.

Doh!



Actually the amount of Dark matter discovered is far less than needed. Yes 90% of the Gravity needed for the celestial bodies to behave as they do is Dark Matter, that doesn't mean visible objects are not important they make up 10% lol.

Changing the goalposts again.

As for where the Solar System ends, It's not the last planet it's the Oort cloud.

- Whirly

So, you claim to know all sorts about science, and then go and confuse Dark Matteer and Dark Energy. Smoooooth.

Why don't you go ahead and pull things out of context, or change the topic as you do when I outsmart you every time?

[Whirlysplat]

So, you claim to know all sorts about science, and then go and confuse Dark Matteer and Dark Energy. Smoooooth.

Why don't you go ahead and pull things out of context, or change the topic as you do when I outsmart you every time?

Outsmart lol.

Not at all Dark matter can only be observed by it's effects you are confused. I haven't mentioned Dark Energy. So tell me again where the Solar System ends.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Outsmart lol.

Not at all Dark matter can only be observed by it's effects you are confused. I haven't mentioned Dark Energy. So tell me again where the Solar System ends.

- Whirly

lol Idiot. I never said YOU mentioned Dark Energy. I did as the explanation, and then you went ahead and didn't understand it like everything else you do. But I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has an article on it. So go study up and post it here incorrectly like everything else so I can go ahead and crush it quickly so people can enjoy this thread. Or just run like normal.

Actually, I noticed you stopped running after I called you out on that. Someone's taking things personally.

[Whirlysplat]

lol Idiot. I never said YOU mentioned Dark Energy. I did as the explanation, and then you went ahead and didn't understand it like everything else you do. But I'm pretty sure Wikipedia has an article on it. So go study up and post it here incorrectly like everything else so I can go ahead and crush it quickly so people can enjoy this thread. Or just run like normal.

Actually, I noticed you stopped running after I called you out on that. Someone's taking things personally.

lol Idiot, your usual outburst about 10 nil me.

Sorry? I said that dark matter accounted for 90% of the Universes Gravity.

What are you talking about?

Oh you're changing the goalposts again because you've been proven wrong again.

Oort interestingly hypothesised Dark matter as well how about that for irony.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol Idiot, your usual outburst about 10 nil me.

Sorry? I said that dark matter accounted for 90% of the Universes Gravity.

What are you talking about?

Oh you're changing the goalposts again because you've been proven wrong again.

Oort interestingly hypothesised Dark matter as well how about that for irony.

- Whirly

Look at someone far too low on the intelligence scale to actually do more research than he already does. I said DARK ENERGY. I never made any claims to Dark Matter, I don't even care about it in this argument. If you're going to argue with me, at least read my posts and respond to them accordingly instead of your standard "pull things out of context and then call others idiots for your own shortcomings" method.

[Whirlysplat]

Look at someone far too low on the intelligence scale to actually do more research than he already does. I said DARK ENERGY. I never made any claims to Dark Matter, I don't even care about it in this argument. If you're going to argue with me, at least read my posts and respond to them accordingly instead of your standard "pull things out of context and then call others idiots for your own shortcomings" method.

You said the Gravity holding the Solar Systems in Place was due to Dark Matter after being challenged on the your statement on when the Suns gravity ended. Incomplete Dark Matter accounts for only 90% of this.

I am not wrong I will find your post.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

You said the Gravity holding the Solar Systems in Place was due to Dark Matter after being challenged on the your statement on when the Suns gravity ended. Incomplete Dark Matter accounts for only 90% of this.

I am not wrong I will find your post.

- Whirly

No, I said Dark Energy. Apparently someone's dyslexia is getting the better of them.

[Whirlysplat]

No, I said Dark Energy. Apparently someone's dyslexia is getting the better of them.

I see so you change your stance again. Dark Energy is only a theory, although quite a lot of evidence supports it. Again you go off with an exotic idea which has yet to be proved, to cover the flaws in your discussion.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

I see so you change your stance again. Dark Energy is only a theory, although quite a lot of evidence supports it. Again you go off with an exotic idea which has yet to be proved.

- Whirly

I never changed my stance. You simply can't read.

[Whirlysplat]

I never changed my stance. You simply can't read.

So you at least admit you were talking rubbish about the last planet being the end of the Solar System.
Dark energy has nothing to do with holding Galaxies together though so I think you're still confused, it may or may not be the force driving them apart. It's a theory.


- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

So you at least admit you were talking rubbish about the last planet being the end of the Solar System.
Dark energy has nothing to do with holding Galaxies together though so I think you're still confused, it may or may not be the force driving them apart. It's a theory.


- Whirly

I said you might be right. Unlike you, I can easily admit when I am wrong.

And if you read ANYTHING about Dark Energy, (or posts for that matter since you spent several posts talking about the wrong thing) you'd understand more about what I was saying. It's some form of substitute gravity that may or may not be pushing and or pulling on the universe. But then again, I don't expect you to understand such complex things. I mean, you can't even read correctly.
And like all things in the universe, theory is something several scientists use as a basis for things.

[Whirlysplat]

I said you might be right. Unlike you, I can easily admit when I am wrong.

And if you read ANYTHING about Dark Energy, (or posts for that matter since you spent several posts talking about the wrong thing) you'd understand more about what I was saying. It's some form of substitute gravity that may or may not be pushing and or pulling on the universe. But then again, I don't expect you to understand such complex things. I mean, you can't even read correctly.
And like all things in the universe, theory is something several scientists use as a basis for things.

As I said Dark Energy is a theory to explain an effect. The affect of bodies moving away from each other faster than they should is happening. Dark Energy is merely a "fudge factor" to explain this at present. What it's nature is is unkown. I don't need to read up to know that.

It has nothing to do with holding Galaxies together it is more like anti gravity than gravity. Lol, why bring it up in an argument about how far gravity extends. Oh yes, because you're wrong again.

You are very dim

[LouFerignoDemon]

As I said Dark Energy is a theory to explain an effect. The affect of bodies moving away from each other faster than they should is happening. Dark Energy is merely a "fudge factor" to explain this at present. What it's nature is is unkown. I don't need to read up to know that.

It has nothing to do with holding Galaxies together it is more like anti gravity than gravity. Lol, why bring it up in an argument about how far gravity extends. Oh yes, because you're wrong again.

You are very dim

No, because it was relevant. Don't try to validate your posts with lack of evidence as to how it doesn't work.

[Endless Mike]

IIRC Dark Energy is what causes the universe's expansion to accelerate, and since it is expanding, most galaxies appear to be moving away from each other (exceptions exist like for example our galaxy will collide with the Andromeda galaxy in a few billion years). Gravitational interaction is incredibly complex on galactic scales, in fact scientists just figured out why spiral galaxies are able to keep that shape.

[Whirlysplat]

No, because it was relevant. Don't try to validate your posts with lack of evidence as to how it doesn't work.

No it wasn't relevant you said Gravity extended to the end of the Solar System, which you later put as where the last planet is. This statement was wrong in two ways, which I pointed out and then you brought in Dark Matter and then Dark Energy as Fudge Factors yourself in a debate about where the Suns gravity ended.

lol

:)

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

No it wasn't relevant you said Gravity extended to the end of the Solar System, which you later put as where the last planet is. This statement was wrong in two ways, which I pointed out and then you brought in Dark Matter and then Dark Energy as Fudge Factors yourself in a debate about where the Suns gravity ended.

lol

:)

- Whirly

It was relevant. If you can't see that, then there's really no point in explaining it as I doubt your mental capacity doesn't reach that far.

[Whirlysplat]

It was relevant. If you can't see that, then there's really no point in explaining it as I doubt your mental capacity doesn't reach that far.

Another outburst of poor insults.

I've tried to help you here. Your need to insult really shows your true position. :( As does your use of double negatives. :) Lol.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Another outburst of poor insults.

I've tried to help you here. Your need to insult really shows your true position. :(

- Whirly

Actually, you'd need proof to even help yourself. Much less help me, who is right.

[Whirlysplat]

Actually, you'd need proof to even help yourself. Much less help me, who is right.

No the proof is already here. Lol like you're hilarious use of double negatives in your post before this one.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

No the proof is already here. Lol like you're hilarious use of double negatives in your post before this one.

- Whirly

Proof? Where? The only thing you EVER proved was that cloud. Nothing else. The rest has been "Here's something, but no proof to back it up no matter how much people demand it."

[Whirlysplat]

Proof? Where? The only thing you EVER proved was that cloud. Nothing else. The rest has been "Here's something, but no proof to back it up no matter how much people demand it."

"That cloud!" Very scientific! Lol.
"People demand it". Where to start? :)

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

"That cloud!" Very scientific! Lol.
"People demand it". Where to start. :)

- Whirly

That cloud works. It's not like it has to be named every single time. That is what we call a lame attempt to debase someone. I don't know why your government trusts you with a child.

And yes, do start.

[Whirlysplat]

That cloud works. It's not like it has to be named every single time. That is what we call a lame attempt to debase someone. I don't know why your government trusts you with a child.

And yes, do start.

O.K. "Who are these people you are talking about"?

Lol, "That Cloud" now we start with the comments about peopples families etc. Do you know any "Yo mama" jokes. Very sad :down: I think you've found your level.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

That cloud works. It's not like it has to be named every single time. That is what we call a lame attempt to debase someone. I don't know why your government trusts you with a child.

And yes, do start.

O.K. "Who are these people you are talking about"?

Lol, "That Cloud" now we start with the comments about peoples families etc. Do you know any "Yo mama" jokes. Very sad :down I think you've found your level.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

O.K. "Who are these people you are talking about"?

Lol, "That Cloud" now we start with the comments about peoples families etc. Do you know any "Yo mama" jokes. Very sad :down I think you've found your level.

- Whirly

No, just pointing out you really don't seem capable of raising a child correctly. Unless lacking any and all social graces, and a dependency on computers is what you think entails a good childhood.

As for "That Cloud," I don't hear any rebuttle. When I don't hear that, it means you have nothing to argue with. Too bad Wikipedia has nothing to help you with.

[Whirlysplat]

No, just pointing out you really don't seem capable of raising a child correctly. Unless lacking any and all social graces, and a dependency on computers is what you think entails a good childhood.

As for "That Cloud," I don't hear any rebuttle. When I don't hear that, it means you have nothing to argue with. Too bad Wikipedia has nothing to help you with.

I don't use Wiki, you do. Comments about peoples parenting skills are foolish.
Let me show you again how to insult people with style.

Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you weren't intellectually outclassed by dead sheep. See it's funny now an offensive unfunny type of insult would be this:

Yo momma's so ugly she didn't get hit with an ugly stick but with THE ugly log.


A really good one is like this:

You are an ineffably execrable half-wit and a hopeless, mattress-soiling mutilation of decency.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't use Wiki, you do. Comments about peoples parenting skills are foolish.
Let me show you again how to insult people with style.

Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you weren't intellectually outclassed by dead sheep. See it's funny now an offensive unfunny type of insult would be this:

Yo momma's so ugly she didn't get hit with an ugly stick but with THE ugly log.


A really good one is like this:

You are an ineffably execrable half-wit and a hopeless, mattress-soiling mutilation of decency.

- Whirly

Actually, that's only about as good as "Donkey raping testicle wart." Useless, has no message to get across, and only speaks of a middle school education level.

And it's blatantly obvious you use Wiki and others. I mean, the time you wait between posts you might know, and posts you don't know is the marker.

[Whirlysplat]

Actually, that's only about as good as "Donkey raping testicle wart." Useless, has no message to get across, and only speaks of a middle school education level.

And it's blatantly obvious you use Wiki and others. I mean, the time you wait between posts you might know, and posts you don't know is the marker.

I wait between posts often because I am doing other things or reading another thread. I don't use Wiki like you. It's another of your assumptions. I like to think before I post. Which is why I am usually right and you....... Well you get the idea.

What your posts don't know. Lol, like the end of the Solar System or what Classical Literature is.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

I wait between posts often because I am doing other things or reading another thread. I don't use Wiki like you. It's another of your assumptions. I like to think before I post. Which is why I am usually right and you....... Well you get the idea.

What your posts don't know. Lol, like the end of the Solar System or what Classical Literature is.

- Whirly

For kicks, I checked a few times, and you're always focused on a thread I freshly posted in, and most of your current posts are in the threads as well. The evidence doesn't look good for you.

As my posts are rapid fire, and leave no time for research.

As for assumptions, I'm not the one who confused Dark Matter for Dark Energy. That or you can't read. Which would make sense how you are wrong often, and can't provide any proof for your claims.

[Whirlysplat]

For kicks, I checked a few times, and you're always focused on a thread I freshly posted in, and most of your current posts are in the threads as well. The evidence doesn't look good for you.

As my posts are rapid fire, and leave no time for research.

As for assumptions, I'm not the one who confused Dark Matter for Dark Energy. That or you can't read. Which would make sense how you are wrong often, and can't provide any proof for your claims.

Actually I didn't mistake anything you did. I said reading, not always posting. The delay between my pposts is often less than yours, fact. Especially in the Scientific parts. Although it does vary depending on what I am doing. Unlike you I don't need Wiki.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

Long wait. Point made.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually I didn't mistake anything you did. I said reading, not always posting. The delay between my pposts is often less than yours, fact. Especially in the Scientific parts. Although it does vary depending on what I am doing. Unlike you I don't need Wiki.

- Whirly

Actually, you do. And it shows by the way you can't put the information together correctly to be useful.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Long wait. Point made.

- Whirly

Wow, talk about being childish. Look at my post list, and the times inbetween them, and take into account the time it would take to type them. So your point wasn't made at all.

[Whirlysplat]

Wow, talk about being childish. Look at my post list, and the times inbetween them, and take into account the time it would take to type them. So your point wasn't made at all.

Look at the times. :) More than between most of mine.

Point made, turnabout is fair play.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Look at the times. :) More than between most of mine.

Point made, turnabout is fair play.

- Whirly

Not really. And there's no turnabout is there is nothing to research in between posts since it's rapid fire point of post right there. Talk about pulling something out of context like usual. :whatever:

[Whirlysplat]

Lol. Poor attempt.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

Waiting.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

For what? For me to make you look like an even bigger fool? If that's what you want..

Your only ability to argue is to pull things out of context because you lack the hard knowledge to argue competently.

[Whirlysplat]

For what? For me to make you look like an even bigger fool? If that's what you want..

Your only ability to argue is to pull things out of context because you lack the hard knowledge to argue competently.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. Oh well, as the late Douglas Adams said: "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. Oh well, as the late Douglas Adams said: "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

- Whirly

Actually, you DID ask.

[Whirlysplat]

Actually, you DID ask.

No I asked for proof. Not rudeness.

- Whirly

[LouFerignoDemon]

And I provided it.

[Whirlysplat]

And I provided it.

Yes, you provided rudeness. To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."

- Whirly

[Jplaya2023]

you 2 get a room and lock the door.

[Whirlysplat]

you 2 get a room and lock the door.

So you're Jplaya. Hello she keeps telling me about you in her posts, go back a page and look.

- Whirly

[CBG]

And all this indirectly started because of jplaya's saying 'there's no gravity in space', which is vastly incorrect.

[Whirlysplat]

And all this because of jplaya's saying 'there's no gravity in space', which is vastly incorrect.

:) Is that what it's over i'd forgotten :).

- Whirly

[CBG]

jplaya2023 claimed that there was no gravity in space, and that planets 'floated'.

[Whirlysplat]

jplaya2023 claimed that there was no gravity in space, and that planets 'floated'.

So he did.

- Whirly

[CBG]

He's dead wrong though.

[Whirlysplat]

He's dead wrong though.

He is. Gluon then claimed the Suns gravity ended at the end of the Solar System which she claimed a few posts later to be at the last planet. She is dead wrong, dynamic gravity ends at the edge of the solar system although some gravity extends much further and the edge of the Solar system is the outermost edge of the Oort cloud.

- Whirly

[Endless Mike]

Anyway can I get this thread back on track and suggest a new match?

How about Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach (with the conditions that he can be seen and hurt, as in he's solid but still has all his powers) vs. Carnage (Spider-man enemy).

[Gotenks]

I like rice!

[Ultra-Herald9]

I like rice!

good one lol!:woot: :woot: :woot:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Gokou (End of DBGT)
http://www.rubberslug.com/user/1862d99df5c343bfa6a58aa9eb78b5ff/291133-2388361-announcer53.jpg

VS

Thor
http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/imagenes/thorPosterMarvel.jpg

[Warhammer]

Not one person better pull it and say that Goku can wish for anything, is omniscient, is omnipotent, god-like, absorbed that dragon balls, etc.

:down :rolleyes: :whatever:

I am still thinking, but I may root more towards Goku.

[Gotenks]

Goku wins.
Only superman would give him a good fight and the only people that can beat him are those god characters that can just wish him away.

[Warhammer]

Oh boy.

[Gotenks]

Not one person better pull it and say that Goku can wish for anything, is omniscient, is omnipotent, god-like, absorbed that dragon balls, etc.

:down :rolleyes: :whatever:

I am still thinking, but I may root more towards Goku.

Why state it?
When you know after reading what you just said they will.

[Warhammer]

Why state it?
When you know after reading what you just said they will.

Just because...

[Gotenks]

Ok.