Anime/Manga (Easten) heroes versus Western Heroes.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Thor is actually in Superman's league.
Plus, he's immortal.

[Gotenks]

I know what he is and what he can do.
In my opinion Superman is the only one who would give him a good fight.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

But there's a lot of fighters (including Thor) that can give Superman = Gokou good matches.

[Warhammer]

There are stronger people in the comics than Supes.
Supes is NOT the only one that could give Goku a good fight.

[CBG]

Only superman would give him a good fight and the only people that can beat him are those god characters that can just wish him away.

There are characters who possess more destructive powers than Goku. Cosmics and super-cosmics.

[Gotenks]

Like I said its my opinion.

[Ultra-Herald9]

I can actually see Goku taking this one.Thor doesn't really have the reaction time to deal with an SSJ 3/4.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, I could see Thor definitely putting the hurt on him. Thor's a millenias old warrior with superspeed (Silver Age, though he doesn't show it much anymore), who's hammer allows dimensional displacement, and can launch massive lightning attacks in all directions continuously. I'm sure people now think that Goku could just launch a planetary destruction attack, however, Thor's godblast is also capable of planetwide destruction, and can be used with zero charge time, which gives him a supreme edge on the charge time people like Goku require. The godblast has also not shown to fatigue Thor, so it's seemingly he can do this several times without any consequence. Thor also has an extremely durable form, and is far stronger than most beings around. It's a safe bet to say that Goku would be hard pressed to kill him outright. Thor's mere stamina might prove the better of Goku, who only has a few hours of maximum power fight time. However, I believe Goku would take this fight.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Actually, I could see Thor definitely putting the hurt on him. Thor's a millenias old warrior with superspeed (Silver Age, though he doesn't show it much anymore), who's hammer allows dimensional displacement, and can launch massive lightning attacks in all directions continuously. I'm sure people now think that Goku could just launch a planetary destruction attack, however, Thor's godblast is also capable of planetwide destruction, and can be used with zero charge time, which gives him a supreme edge on the charge time people like Goku require. The godblast has also not shown to fatigue Thor, so it's seemingly he can do this several times without any consequence. Thor also has an extremely durable form, and is far stronger than most beings around. It's a safe bet to say that Goku would be hard pressed to kill him outright. Thor's mere stamina might prove the better of Goku, who only has a few hours of maximum power fight time. However, I believe Goku would take this fight.


Not to mention his tendency to go berserk in a rough fight! Even Silver Surfer had trouble with Berserker Thor.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, if we're talking Berserker Thor, who's strength, reaction, and durability just go straight through the roof, Goku's better off picking a fight with Superman really. Berserker Thor is basically just invincible.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Ok, as wierd as this sounds, this battle is actually kinda fair:
Thanos w/ HotU
http://www.geocities.com/marvelscans/scans/Thanos_the_Mad_Titan.jpg
VS
L-sama
http://www.queenofswords.com/zotc15.jpg
Rematch:
Thanos w/ Heart vs L-sama

[Warhammer]

Thanos.

[Endless Mike]

Thanos w/HOTU was only universal, L-sama is multiversal.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No, The Gauntlet was Multi-versal, so the Heart is as well, it's just that Thanos only used it universaly. like he did with the IG.

[CBG]

Has the IG affected a reality that wasn't the 616? Many realities away, yet it still affected the 616 reality.

In addition, with the Ego/Dimensional Gem. . . it throws a wrench in the supposed IG = multiversal. Although, one can argue that that gem only holds the remaining bulk of Infiniti's essence. However, the Ego/Dimensional Gem does manipulate dimensional energies.

The HOTU is said to be the power He coveted -- we assume this to be the TOAA. However, from everything we seen of it, it's only been at a universal scale. I already explained earlier, using the scans from issue #1 and #6.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Again.
UN could destroy and remake the Multi-verse in a nano-second.
The UN was fired (by Quasar) against the Incomplete IG (wielded by Magus).
The UN had no effect.
Magus used the I-IG for Multi-versal purpose, and was starting to unmake the balance of all the Multi-verse, therefore LT stoped him and not Thanos.
Because Thanos only wanted one universe.
HOTI >> LT >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-verse.

Thanos goal, to take Universal controll.

[Ultra-Herald9]

I really don't understand why people do Omnipotence battles. They kinda get nowhere cause most battles are based on who has the biggest all-around advantage over the other character but when to characters have ultimate power and no weaknesses then how does someone win/lose? Its not like one of these charcters is less omnipotent then the other so how would we ever come to a conclusion?

[CBG]

Again.

UN could destroy and remake the Multi-verse in a nano-second.

Abraxas storyline, yes. However, could this be argued that it could be due to the UN being in the hand of Abraxas, who is known as the "Dimensional Destroyer"?

In addition, which issues is the Abraxas storyline of FF? I'm going to look into them.

The UN was fired (by Quasar) against the Incomplete IG (wielded by Magus).
The UN had no effect.

If I remember Infinity War correctly, Quasar struggled with the UN to destroy the Magus, stating that if he messed up, he'd destroy the universe.

Magus used the I-IG for Multi-versal purpose, and was starting to unmake the balance of all the Multi-verse, therefore LT stoped him and not Thanos.
Because Thanos only wanted one universe.

Yes, Thanos wanted to supplant Eternity during the IG saga. However, I still disbelieve that the Magus wanted to unbalance and rule the multiverse. I'll have to reread the Infinity War issues again, I suppose. . .

HOTI >> LT >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> Multi-verse.

Thanos goal, to take Universal controll.

Yes, the Heart of the Infinite, later addressed as the Heart of the Universe.

In addition, if the UN is capable of multiversal destroying power, Galactus would be somewhat indicated of the same, since the UN is a part of him, as revealed in the last issue of the Abraxas storyline, if I remember correctly.

[Sloth7d]

Thor is actually in Superman's league.
Plus, he's immortal.
I say Thor can beat Superman personally. But thats my opinion.

[CBG]

They briefly fought in JLA/Avengers, where Superman KO'd Thor and caught Mjolnir with his hand.

I didn't like Busiek's writing of the fight. . .

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, I said that was in my opinion.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Abraxas storyline, yes. However, could this be argued that it could be due to the UN being in the hand of Abraxas, who is known as the "Dimensional Destroyer"?
Actually it was Richard Reed who destroyed the all of the Multi-verse, and remade it like Abraxas never existed.
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.jpg

Quasar > Reed - Any day.

In addition, which issues is the Abraxas storyline of FF? I'm going to look into them.
Can't recall.



If I remember Infinity War correctly, Quasar struggled with the UN to destroy the Magus, stating that if he messed up, he'd destroy the universe.

But you can also see that he triggers it.
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun2pi1.jpg
(picture down to the left.)

Yes, Thanos wanted to supplant Eternity during the IG saga. However, I still disbelieve that the Magus wanted to unbalance and rule the multiverse. I'll have to reread the Infinity War issues again, I suppose. . .
Madus wanted the Multi-verse for himself.
Eternity begged the Living Tribunal, but . . .
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality32ro.jpg

As long as it just conserns a universe he will not interfare.

Magus used the Infinity gauntlet (the incomplete version) to take control over the Multi-verse. That was the Living Tribunal's limit.

Yes, the Heart of the Infinite, later addressed as the Heart of the Universe.
Only for the reason Thanos wanted a universe.
Or maybe because they refered to the "Marvel Universe", whichn consists of a Multi/Mega-verse.


In addition, if the UN is capable of multiversal destroying power, Galactus would be somewhat indicated of the same, since the UN is a part of him, as revealed in the last issue of the Abraxas storyline, if I remember correctly.

If it can't goes against the infinity beings will, why do you think it would be able to go against the will of the Living Tribunal?

Again: Thanos with the gauntlet had control over all universes.
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg

The gauntlet granted "complete" mastery over "all" time, space, reality, mind, power and soul.
All = make anything in plural, because he didnt have control over just one timeline, one "space", one mind (that would be odd), one power /would also be odd), one sould (would be even more odd).
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyougod7zf.jpg

The thing is: You can't state that the HOTI was universal if the UN, IG ect. was Multi-versal.
Because you just said: L-sama is more powerful because she's Multi-versal.

For the dense once: [x's opinion] universal = HotI >> UN = multi-versal, universal >> multi-versal.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

However, the debate is useless, think about it, what's the chanses of me convicing you, pretty much slim to none, wouldent you say . . . And vice versa?
Aproximate 5-10%

So lets just agree to dissagree.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

But I my self do not belive that the facta suporting L-sama are enough.

1. Supreme being in slayer multi-verse.
A. In Naruto it's comfirmed that kyuubi is the most powerful being in existance. Still all he did was causing some earthquackes, and attacked Konoha village.
In other words I woulden't put kyuubi over Galactus for example.

2. L-sama created universes.

B. This have been done by Franklin Richards, a five year old mutant-kid.
Franklin at full potential (Grown up, reached maximum potential power) is just at celestial level.
And:
Full potential Franklin (alternate timeline) >> 5 year old Franklin, whom made a universe.

[CBG]

Actually it was Richard Reed who destroyed the all of the Multi-verse, and remade it like Abraxas never existed.
http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?i...troyabraxa.jpg

Quasar > Reed - Any day.

We all know this. However, when Quasar was about to fire the UN

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9995/infintywars0519vn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Quasar said if he misfired, he'll flush the universe down the tube.

Can't recall.

Well, I know it took place after FF took on Annihilus, circa 2000-2001, around those years.

But you can also see that he triggers it.
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsun2pi1.jpg
(picture down to the left.)

It doesn't mean that the UN would have used it's supposed universal/multiversal destroying power. Not every user of the UN would be able to fire it so to its full potential every time -- be it universal or multiversal. Quasar earlier said if he misfired, the universe would have been 'flushed down the tube'.

Also, keep in mind, the Abraxas storyline took place well after the Infinity War -- 7 to 8 years, in our time. The UN's destructive power could have been inflated during the Abaxas saga. However, similarly, one can argue it's potential is just been revealed then.

Madus wanted the Multi-verse for himself.
Eternity begged the Living Tribunal, but . . .
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eality32ro.jpg

As long as it just conserns a universe he will not interfare.

Magus used the Infinity gauntlet (the incomplete version) to take control over the Multi-verse. That was the Living Tribunal's limit.

Yeah, All That Is. Although Thanos was master of All That Was, absorbed everything, and destroyed the universe / all/omni reality.

Usually, in my experiences, All That Is is subject to interpretation.

Only for the reason Thanos wanted a universe.
Or maybe because they refered to the "Marvel Universe", whichn consists of a Multi/Mega-verse.

I surely doubt that someone would refer the megaverse/multiverse as a universe. It's like referring a group of different people as a person.

If it can't goes against the infinity beings will, why do you think it would be able to go against the will of the Living Tribunal?

Again: Thanos with the gauntlet had control over all universes.
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?i...llrealitie.jpg

Yes, he did say that. Did he affect other universes during the Infinity Gauntlet?

The gauntlet granted "complete" mastery over "all" time, space, reality, mind, power and soul.
All = make anything in plural, because he didnt have control over just one timeline, one "space", one mind (that would be odd), one power /would also be odd), one sould (would be even more odd).
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?i...syougod7zf.jpg

Subject to interpretation, all. It could refer to all possible realities throughout the multiverse, or it could refer to 'all' within a singular universe.

In addition, there's also the existence of the Ego/Dimensional Gem to consider.

The thing is: You can't state that the HOTI was universal if the UN, IG ect. was Multi-versal.

Similarly, it all depends if the IG and the UN were multiversal.

I'll reread my Infinity Collection and find the Abraxas saga later.

However, the debate is useless, think about it, what's the chanses of me convicing you, pretty much slim to none, wouldent you say . . . And vice versa?
Aproximate 5-10%

Similarly, the same could be said for me, no offense. However, I'll relent when I get to the truth, whichever that is. I'm not pigheaded in what I believe in -- I desire to seek the truth above all else.

So lets just agree to dissagree.

I suppse. We are getting off topic.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Majin Boo
http://dcels.rubberslug.com/gallery/img_b.aspx?ImageID=94834&Pass=

VS

Stephen Strange
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/Strangexcalbiur.PNG/250px-Strangexcalbiur.PNG

[Sloth7d]

I suppose if Strange knew bibidis sealing spell he'd win this, but then again buu can always just kill him before he can enchant it.
Yeah, buu would win.

[Gotenks]

^ Thats what I was thinking.
Im going to go with buu as well.

[Warhammer]

Uh......Fat Buu has no chance.
Strange has taken on and defeated villains that make Buu look like nothing. The only thing Buu can do to counter Strange's magic is dodging the magic, but Doctor Strange can go FTL. I can't believe Buu got 2 votes over the Sorcerer Supreme :confused:

Strange wins, very easily.

[Warhammer]

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[SSJ4_Mikael]

We all know this. However, when Quasar was about to fire the UN

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9995/infintywars0519vn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

Quasar said if he misfired, he'll flush the universe down the tube.


So why didn't Quasar ask reed for help, it wouldent be that hard would it?
Reed have destroyed the Multi-verse with that thing.
But Reed is only human . . .


Well, I know it took place after FF took on Annihilus, circa 2000-2001, around those years.
So why did you ask? - Just buy all issues.


It doesn't mean that the UN would have used it's supposed universal/multiversal destroying power. Not every user of the UN would be able to fire it so to its full potential every time -- be it universal or multiversal. Quasar earlier said if he misfired, the universe would have been 'flushed down the tube'.
Yes, but he did fire it, and it didn't work.
The Gauntlet is countless of times the full potential of the Nullifier.

Also, keep in mind, the Abraxas storyline took place well after the Infinity War -- 7 to 8 years, in our time. The UN's destructive power could have been inflated during the Abaxas saga. However, similarly, one can argue it's potential is just been revealed then.
The Nullifier's powers remains, it havent been stated that i had, so basicly that's speculation.


Yeah, All That Is. Although Thanos was master of All That Was, absorbed everything, and destroyed the universe / all/omni reality.
Omni-reality = all realities, you don't say omni-realities, because Omni means "all". Yet he destroy/took over one universe because it was what he wanted.
Supreme control over the 616 universe.

Magus have allready affected the Multi-verse with the I-IG (destroying realities ect.)
So IG = Multi-versal



Usually, in my experiences, All That Is is subject to interpretation.


So Thanos claiming that he had complete mastery over all the universes was a lie?
Stay in the comics . . . Actions > missproven statements > statements >> speculation

I surely doubt that someone would refer the megaverse/multiverse as a universe. It's like referring a group of different people as a person.

"The Marvel Universe is in fact a multiverse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29) consisting of thousands of separate universes. In this context"
Fresh from wikipedia.


Yes, he did say that. Did he affect other universes during the Infinity Gauntlet?
Thanos, no -- Magus, yes -- IG is Multi-versal.



Subject to interpretation, all. It could refer to all possible realities throughout the multiverse, or it could refer to 'all' within a singular universe.
Sometimes the terms "all reality" and "every reality" is used for the same sense.

In addition, there's also the existence of the Ego/Dimensional Gem to consider.
Yes, the gem that was left outside the universe, which also proves:
Infinity being = Multiversal.
(Otherwise the gems would only shatter all over the universe)


Similarly, it all depends if the IG and the UN were multiversal.
UN = Was stated to be able to destroy and recreate the Multi-verse.
It was also used, to destroy and remake the Multi-verse in a nano-second.
UN > Multi-verse

IG, while Thanos did just affect a universe, Magus affected a lot of universes.
IG = Multi-versal.


I'll reread my Infinity Collection and find the Abraxas saga later.

Good, seems like your memory have faded you.


Similarly, the same could be said for me, no offense. However, I'll relent when I get to the truth, whichever that is. I'm not pigheaded in what I believe in -- I desire to seek the truth above all else.

Yeah, everyone calls themselves objective; I have no own perspective, I base everyone of my statements on pure fact.
That's pure bull****, even writers of schoolbooks are subjective, check out an western version of the crusade, and a persian version of it.


I suppse. We are getting off topic.

Yes, because this is getting far-fetched.
Thanos' goal: Take over the 616 universe.
That's what he called Godhood.

Cosmic cube made him God (in his point of view)
The Gauntlet made him God as well (in his point of view)
The essence and power of the supreme being (Heart) made him God.

He took down the Living Tribunal itself.

Some say that it was only a manifastation of the Living Tribunal, but than again, why wasent there a manifastation of him in the universe where Thanos took over?
In each universe the Eternity is the supreme.

Living Tribunal exist only outside the Multi-verse.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisaboveig5ez.jpg
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality11md.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality32ro.jpg
Notice a pattern? -- White backround.
Outside the Multi-verse . . .

Second only to the supreme being, so only the supreme being can defeat him, in this case it was Thanos with the supreme being's power and essance.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg
This is the guy that makes manifastaion bodies.
His name is Multi-Etenity.

[Jplaya2023]

SSJ4 CAN U post the scans of thanos "fighting" the Living Tribunal please. Im anxious to see how they fight.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Hehehe, it's simply an absorbation but ok.

[Jplaya2023]

Hehehe, it's simply an absorbation but ok.

so they dont have fighting, tecchniques, style, combination, just absorbing huh?

[SLVRSR4]

Uh......Fat Buu has no chance.
Strange has taken on and defeated villains that make Buu look like nothing. The only thing Buu can do to counter Strange's magic is dodging the magic, but Doctor Strange can go FTL. I can't believe Buu got 2 votes over the Sorcerer Supreme :confused:

Strange wins, very easily.

He would astral project himself to psychologically torture Buu killing his dog over and over!:wow:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Srry, took a while to scan and post:
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thanoshotu27lj.jpg

[Jplaya2023]

Majin Boo
http://dcels.rubberslug.com/gallery/img_b.aspx?ImageID=94834&Pass=

VS

Stephen Strange
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/Strangexcalbiur.PNG/250px-Strangexcalbiur.PNG

This is how the battle goes

Buu: "what candy is your favorite"

Strange: "ummmmm i like skittles"

Buu: "fugg your skittles strange* *transform strange into skittles*

Strange: " NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" *owned*

Buu: "yummy taste the rainbow hahahaha"

[Jplaya2023]

Srry, took a while to scan and post:
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thanoshotu27lj.jpg

thats gay, what type of stuff is this. So do u have any scans of them actually fighting???

[SSJ4_Mikael]

AN other important scan:
Living Tribunal is the top of the food chain, and he judged Thanos (with the Heart)
http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisthetop5of.jpg

[Jplaya2023]

AN other important scan:
Living Tribunal is the top of the food chain, and he judged Thanos (with the Heart)
http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltisthetop5of.jpg

do these people even fight, from the 1000 of scans u posted i only seen beyonder throw some slow ass punches and kicks and thanos absorbbing people.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

thats gay, what type of stuff is this. So do u have any scans of them actually fighting???
Fighting, you mean like land punches and kicks?
No . . . He simply absorbed him.
Imagion the fastest way to beat a ghost (-reminds of abstract).

But when Thanos was becoming one with the heart, he waved and killed a Celestial with a blast.
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoublowscelestial7cn.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

do these people even fight, from the 1000 of scans u posted i only seen beyonder throw some slow ass punches and kicks and thanos absorbbing people.
You mean when Beyonder lectured the Celestial's?
He wasent intend to kill them.

He was just playing/toying with them.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Single thought of the Living Tribunal >> IG, by far.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt15jn.jpg

[CBG]

So why didn't Quasar ask reed for help, it wouldent be that hard would it?
Reed have destroyed the Multi-verse with that thing.
But Reed is only human . . .

So? Just because Quasar > Reed, you assume that the UN is far more capable in Quasar's hands? As seen in the scan from Infinity War #5, he was worried about destroying the universe. No multiverse mentioned in that text.

So why did you ask? - Just buy all issues.

I assume that you read the storyline too.

Yes, but he did fire it, and it didn't work.
The Gauntlet is countless of times the full potential of the Nullifier.

Agreed.

The Nullifier's powers remains, it havent been stated that i had, so basicly that's speculation.

Understandable. However, during the Infinity Saga concerning the Gauntlet, I don't remember the UN ever being synonemous with multiversal destroying capability. It's only in the Abraxas saga was the UN being termed multiversal destructive, with the scan you provided me.

Omni-reality = all realities, you don't say omni-realities, because Omni means "all". Yet he destroy/took over one universe because it was what he wanted.
Supreme control over the 616 universe.

Supreme control over one universe. Thanos was bonded with omni-reality, which came to an end. Master of All That Was. If All That Is translates into the multiverse, the term multiverse would have been used in context with what is being destroyed. However, only the term 'universe' was used. All That Was would then translate to the universe.

Magus have allready affected the Multi-verse with the I-IG (destroying realities ect.)
So IG = Multi-versal

Thanos, no -- Magus, yes -- IG is Multi-versal.

I'm going to reread IW to gain perspective on this, when I do.

"The Marvel Universe is in fact a multiverse consisting of thousands of separate universes. In this context"
Fresh from wikipedia.

Wikipedia. . . eh.

Yes, we comic readers refer to the Marvel Megaverse as the Marvel Universe. Do you really think the characters of the comic refer to their own multiverse/megaverse as a universe? No -- they do use the term multiverse (omniverse, in Roma and co.'s case).

Wikipedia is Wikipedia.

If I were to bring Wikipedia into this, then the Handbooks and the Marvel.com bios can be brought in, I suppose.

If you read Abraxas' bio in Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe #1, it said the universe was destroyed. This remains consistent with the Marvel.com bio.

If you read Galactus' entry in the Fantastic Four 2004 Handbook, it said the multiverse was destroyed. This remains consistent with the Marvel.com bio.

So which is true? Either way, I'd place the Handbooks over Wikipedia.

Sometimes the terms "all reality" and "every reality" is used for the same sense.

Yes, the gem that was left outside the universe, which also proves:
Infinity being = Multiversal.
(Otherwise the gems would only shatter all over the universe)

Yes, Infiniti was all that was in all realities, as described by Thanos in Thanos Quest #2. However, wouldn't the nature of the Dimensional/Ego gem imply power over dimensions/realities?

UN = Was stated to be able to destroy and recreate the Multi-verse.
It was also used, to destroy and remake the Multi-verse in a nano-second.
UN > Multi-verse

IG, while Thanos did just affect a universe, Magus affected a lot of universes.
IG = Multi-versal.

Again, I'll check into this, once I find and acquire the Abraxas issues.

Good, seems like your memory have faded you.

Maybe. I try not to be the kind of person who holds himself as 'right' all the time -- I make mistakes too.

Curious, did you even read the Abraxas saga?

Yeah, everyone calls themselves objective; I have no own perspective, I base everyone of my statements on pure fact.
That's pure bull****, even writers of schoolbooks are subjective, check out an western version of the crusade, and a persian version of it.

Understandable. Though, if we delve into that subject, we'll seriously get off-topic.

Yes, because this is getting far-fetched.
Thanos' goal: Take over the 616 universe.
That's what he called Godhood.

Cosmic cube made him God (in his point of view)
The Gauntlet made him God as well (in his point of view)
The essence and power of the supreme being (Heart) made him God.

He took down the Living Tribunal itself.

Some say that it was only a manifastation of the Living Tribunal, but than again, why wasent there a manifastation of him in the universe where Thanos took over?

Maintaining the rest multiverse, one may suppose. I don't even remember seeing Roma in Marvel The End, and she's the Guardian of the 'Omniverse'. Logically, that would include DC, Image, ours, television, etc.

In each universe the Eternity is the supreme.

Living Tribunal exist only outside the Multi-verse.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?i...aboveig5ez.jpg
http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eality11md.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eality32ro.jpg
Notice a pattern? -- White backround.
Outside the Multi-verse . . .

Second only to the supreme being, so only the supreme being can defeat him, in this case it was Thanos with the supreme being's power and essance.

Or defeat an M-Body.

But say that Thanos did have the power He coveted (TOAA), why didn't he destroy the Marvel Multiverse? I doubt that fury he felt in #6 would still remain under check by his 'sub-conscious desire to be universally dominant'.

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ernity16do.jpg
This is the guy that makes manifastaion bodies.
His name is Multi-Etenity.

Uh, no.

The Dimensions of Manifestations are what provides the Manifestation Bodies for the cosmics and characters. Anthropomorpho is the 'leader'.

thats gay, what type of stuff is this. So do u have any scans of them actually fighting???

That's pure power right there. Far more than what the DBverse is capable of.

[Sloth7d]

That's pure power right there. Far more than what the DBverse is capable of.
Doesn't make it look interresting.

[Endless Mike]

Strange wins easily, he just banishes Buu to the Dark Dimension or something, or crushes him with a summon of cosmic power like the Vishanti.

[Warhammer]

Strange wins easily, he just banishes Buu to the Dark Dimension or something, or crushes him with a summon of cosmic power like the Vishanti.

Exactly. There ain't none of that Buu turning Strange into chocolate. Strange uses a force-field to reflect it, or just creates a warp hole, lets the candy beam go through and hit Buu with his own beam, step on the chocolate, burn it, or just cast each broke piece into alternate dimensions. :o

[Sloth7d]

Buu would just punch his head off before he could do anything. gameover.

[Warhammer]

Buu would just punch his head off before he could do anything. gameover.

Doc Strange can just make a loop hole like Janemba, then send Buu's punch back at him. Then he'll send Buu to another dimension. End of story.

Fat Buu ain't s***, and he's no Goku.

[Warhammer]

Haha, Sloth7d. Nice video in your sig. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, since Buu is more or less a summoned type magic (created from magic and such) Strange can UNDO that, and turn Buu into nothing. Or a myraid of other things.

[Sloth7d]

Haha, Sloth7d. Nice video in your sig. :up:
Heh:woot: Thanks, I try to keep the laughter around me at an all time high.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Aang from Avatar:The Last Airbender Vs Spider-Man

Who wins?

[Gotenks]

Aang Isnt a eastern character.
Avatar isnt even a anime from Japan.

[Sloth7d]

And SSj4 mikael is the topic match creator.

[Jplaya2023]

Actually, since Buu is more or less a summoned type magic (created from magic and such) Strange can UNDO that, and turn Buu into nothing. Or a myraid of other things.

no he cant buu has turned back magic before when old buu reversed the magic mr buu tried to use on him to change him into chocolate

[Jplaya2023]

Doc Strange can just make a loop hole like Janemba, then send Buu's punch back at him. Then he'll send Buu to another dimension. End of story.

Fat Buu ain't s***, and he's no Goku.

Unn he's talking about Majin Buu (the one that sonned vegeta, gohan, and dabura) not mr buu the entirely good version of buu

[Ultra-Herald9]

Strange wins this easily.

[Ultra-Herald9]

thats gay, what type of stuff is this. So do u have any scans of them actually fighting???

What the f**k do you expect? They are F***ing cosmic beings! Man I really can't believe how far your fanboyism extends......Its like you want eveything to be Dragon Ball Z! Whats next.....are you gonna start complaining about how Jesus doesn't fight anyone.......:mad: :confused:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

So? Just because Quasar > Reed, you assume that the UN is far more capable in Quasar's hands? As seen in the scan from Infinity War #5, he was worried about destroying the universe. No multiverse mentioned in that text.
We don't know how powerful the UN was in Quasars hand's, but anyhow it had zero effect. It was not even a fly for a elephant.


I assume that you read the storyline too.
Obviously, but the fact is, I have most of my comics in the basement.
I usually don't reread old crap unless it's necessery.


Understandable. However, during the Infinity Saga concerning the Gauntlet, I don't remember the UN ever being synonemous with multiversal destroying capability. It's only in the Abraxas saga was the UN being termed multiversal destructive, with the scan you provided me.
UN havent ben retconned (neither up nor down). At least not action, nor statewise.
The thing is, an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet's power was beyond infinity times the power of the Nullifier.
And the UN have showed on panels to be able to destroy nand rewrite reality.

Supreme control over one universe. Thanos was bonded with omni-reality, which came to an end. Master of All That Was. If All That Is translates into the multiverse, the term multiverse would have been used in context with what is being destroyed. However, only the term 'universe' was used. All That Was would then translate to the universe.
Omni-reality: Marvel's Omniverse.
Otherwise this wouldent be leagal:
Welcome to he Omniverse. (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni2cn6.jpg)

Omniverse 2. (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni3uj8.jpg)

Merlin knows everything that've happend in the Marvel Omniverse. (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni6xf1.jpg)

It was stated that pre-retcon Beyonder's realm turned into the Omniverse, when he retconned his powers. (Yes, he took out the first Marvel Multi-verse)
That's why: If original Beyonder dies the Omni-verse is going down with him.
He's like a pillar.
They refere to Beyonder as cosmos.



I'm going to reread IW to gain perspective on this, when I do.
Than you can start arguing for real.

Wikipedia. . . eh.
Better than nothing, only slight though.

Yes, we comic readers refer to the Marvel Megaverse as the Marvel Universe. Do you really think the characters of the comic refer to their own multiverse/megaverse as a universe? No -- they do use the term multiverse (omniverse, in Roma and co.'s case).
MU (Marvel universe) = Marvel Omniverse *see above.


If you read Abraxas' bio in Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe #1, it said the universe was destroyed. This remains consistent with the Marvel.com bio.
Yes and if the UN only rewrote their reality, every other Galactus in ever other universe would be dead.
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.jpg
Yes it's Galactus corpses.

And every other Reed in every other universe would be dead.
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.jpg


If you read Galactus' entry in the Fantastic Four 2004 Handbook, it said the multiverse was destroyed. This remains consistent with the Marvel.com bio.
Better to stay within the comics, you never know who post that kinda s*it

So which is true? Either way, I'd place the Handbooks over Wikipedia.

Well:
Comics >> Handooks > Wikipedia.



Yes, Infiniti was all that was in all realities, as described by Thanos in Thanos Quest #2. However, wouldn't the nature of the Dimensional/Ego gem imply power over dimensions/realities?
The gem is used to manipulate energies.
It's not originally a part of the main gem's.


Maybe. I try not to be the kind of person who holds himself as 'right' all the time -- I make mistakes too.
Every human does, the thing is to be able to change oppinion.



Maintaining the rest multiverse, one may suppose. I don't even remember seeing Roma in Marvel The End, and she's the Guardian of the 'Omniverse'. Logically, that would include DC, Image, ours, television, etc.


No Omniversal destrucion have been stated many times. Wanda with her chaos wave.
Omni = all-verse (this does not mean all-of-the-verse, but all-verses[Omni is allays writen in singunlar]

Or defeat an M-Body.
Perhaps, but the whole Living Tribunal was against him.
He judged Thanos.

The Tribunal does only manifest if it's necessery, he do not have a m-mody in every universe.

And if you fight the Tribunal you fight his judgement, in other words the abstract.

The IG is Multi-versal, and it can not be compared with a universal power.
LT (m-body?) >> IG >> Multi-verse
LT (m-body?) >> Multiverse?

Shouldent a manifastation body be universal?


But say that Thanos did have the power He coveted (TOAA), why didn't he destroy the Marvel Multiverse? I doubt that fury he felt in #6 would still remain under check by his 'sub-conscious desire to be universally dominant'.

Obviously Thanos mind was not focused he just destroyed everything that crossed his path, he didn't think of the Multi-verse before Adam entered.
He could absorb the rest in necessery.

http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook17qj.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilook21qc.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Hyper Sonic
http://www.wickedgifs.com/sprites/Sega%20Genesis/Sonic%203%20&%20knuckles_Hyper%20Sonic%20-%20standing%20on%20edge.gif

VS

Superman Prime
http://www.greatkrypton.com/superman/micro/supermanprime.gif

[Sloth7d]

Superman prime easily.
So easy its not even funny.

[Jplaya2023]

Android 18

http://www.film.org.pl/images2/dragon_ball/android_18.jpg

VS



Wonder Woman

http://wawong7.home.att.net/collection/LagoRay_wonderwoman_sm.jpg

[Whirlysplat]

Android 18

http://www.film.org.pl/images2/dragon_ball/android_18.jpg

VS



Wonder Woman

http://wawong7.home.att.net/collection/LagoRay_wonderwoman_sm.jpg

Wonder Woman

- Whirly

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Wonder Woman

- Whirly
I make the matches in this thread.
Jplaya is only working like a virus, makes this crappy spam matches.

[Sloth7d]

Don't worry Mikael. I doubt the usual voters will even respond to it.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Superman prime easily.
So easy its not even funny.
Nah, you're underestimating Hyper Sonic.
Hyper Sonic's features:
1. Could reach a far-away galaxy in an instant.
2. He reversed (-and later rewinded) time to unmake "Eight" (Zero with the seven chaos emerld's and the Master emerald).
3. He's invulnerable to any damage.
4. He's immortal (time didn't affect him)
5. When he flied cross the universe, galaxies collide and got destroyed.

[Sloth7d]

Nah, you're underestimating Hyper Sonic.
Hyper Sonic's features:
1. Could reach a far-away galaxy in an instant.
2. He reversed (-and later rewinded) time to unmake "Eight" (Zero with the seven chaos emerld's and the Master emerald).
3. He's invulnerable to any damage.
4. He's immortal (time didn't affect him)
5. When he flied cross the universe, galaxies collide and got destroyed.
Still compared to superman prime who can lift 250quintillion tons, also travel back in time, invulnerable to a high degree, can wipe out the universe, who is also immortal, and can circle the universe in seconds.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Still compared to superman prime who can lift 250quintillion tons, also travel back in time, invulnerable to a high degree, can wipe out the universe, who is also immortal, and can circle the universe in seconds.
Superman Prime didn't do much.
The fact that he's Pre-crisis Superman whom reached his maximum potential means, that he could do anything that Pre-crisis Superman could do.
He cannot whipe out a universe.
He couldent even save Blue Beatle's universe.

His best feature is remaking Krypton.
And give life.

He would still be bellow Parallax, Anti-monitor ect.
He was just the strongest in his universe.

[Sloth7d]

But hypersonic isn't the strongest in his.
choas knuckles and turbo tails are stronger.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No, in the comics Hyper Sonic is the strongest in their universe.

[Sloth7d]

Turbo tails defeated an enemy not even hypersonic could beat recently.
Chaosknuckles tried too, but got his powers absorbed. Hyper sonic went down easily though.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Which enemy are you refering to?

[CBG]

We don't know how powerful the UN was in Quasars hand's, but anyhow it had zero effect. It was not even a fly for a elephant.

Understandable, but he worried that if he misfired, he'd destroy the universe.

Obviously, but the fact is, I have most of my comics in the basement.
I usually don't reread old crap unless it's necessery.

Understandable.

UN havent ben retconned (neither up nor down). At least not action, nor statewise.
The thing is, an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet's power was beyond infinity times the power of the Nullifier.
And the UN have showed on panels to be able to destroy nand rewrite reality.

Yes, the IG sans Reality Gem sent Quasar to Oblivion's realm -- the Magus used a thought to turn the UN's affect upon the bearer. Quasar activated the UN (he stated so), and was concentrating on Magus as the target, trying not to misfire and destroy the universe.

Omni-reality: Marvel's Omniverse.
Otherwise this wouldent be leagal:
Welcome to he Omniverse.

Omniverse 2.

Merlin knows everything that've happend in the Marvel Omniverse.

It was stated that pre-retcon Beyonder's realm turned into the Omniverse, when he retconned his powers. (Yes, he took out the first Marvel Multi-verse)
That's why: If original Beyonder dies the Omni-verse is going down with him.
He's like a pillar.
They refere to Beyonder as cosmos.

The definition of the omniverse means all possible universes -- it's certainly not limited to Marvel Comics, in proper definition in the real (our) world. There's only one omniverse -- containing DC, Image, Dreamwave, Marvel, our real world, anime, cartoon, fiction, etc. There's no such thing as more than one omniverse.

However, since Roma, Merlin and co. use the term omniverse, it either means they are literally guardians of the omniverse, of Marvel uses the term omniverse to describe their megaverse.

Regardless, I suppose I should regard Marvel as an 'omniverse', from this post on.

Than you can start arguing for real.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

Better than nothing, only slight though.

Understandable.

MU (Marvel universe) = Marvel Omniverse *see above.

Already addressed the omniverse issue.

Yes and if the UN only rewrote their reality, every other Galactus in ever other universe would be dead.
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?i...llsallg3ps.jpg
Yes it's Galactus corpses.

And every other Reed in every other universe would be dead.
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?i...herselves8.jpg

And if I remember correctly, Roma said that every Galactus was meant to hold an Abraxas of their respective reality. Yet, we know this is not completely true; the Galactus of Earth X (9997, if I'm not mistaken) was charged with the purpose of to stop the Celestials from overpopulating. The Gah-Lak-Tus of the Ultimate verse had an even different purpose.

Better to stay within the comics, you never know who post that kinda s*it

Agreed.

Well:
Comics >> Handooks > Wikipedia.

Agreed. There's a whole mess on who saved Galan; Eternity or Phoenix Force. Comics still have Eternity.

The gem is used to manipulate energies.
It's not originally a part of the main gem's.

With the rest of the gems, they would have reformed Infiniti, who before its death, was everything throughout all realities.

Every human does, the thing is to be able to change oppinion.

Understandable.

No Omniversal destrucion have been stated many times. Wanda with her chaos wave.
Omni = all-verse (this does not mean all-of-the-verse, but all-verses[Omni is allays writen in singunlar]

All-of-the-verses of Marvel Comics and its imprints, or that and outside of it?

Perhaps, but the whole Living Tribunal was against him.
He judged Thanos.

The Tribunal does only manifest if it's necessery, he do not have a m-mody in every universe.

And if you fight the Tribunal you fight his judgement, in other words the abstract.

The IG is Multi-versal, and it can not be compared with a universal power.
LT (m-body?) >> IG >> Multi-verse
LT (m-body?) >> Multiverse?

Shouldent a manifastation body be universal?

Depends on the IG. I'll get back to you when I reread IW.

Obviously Thanos mind was not focused he just destroyed everything that crossed his path, he didn't think of the Multi-verse before Adam entered.
He could absorb the rest in necessery.

http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nilook17qj.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nilook21qc.jpg

Could being the key word.

Remember, Thanos was the master of All That Is, when he possessed the HOTU. He was bonded to omni-reality, like you said. Then he was furious and absrobed everything that would defy his reign. All That Is soon became All That Was.

Most tend to translate All That Is as the multiverse. Yet, only the universe was destroyed and restored by Thanos. Even the cancer was universal, as described by Thanos in Marvel The End #5.

[Warhammer]

Unn he's talking about Majin Buu (the one that sonned vegeta, gohan, and dabura) not mr buu the entirely good version of buu

I've got two things:

- I know which Buu he is, and "sonning" Vegeta, Gohan, and Dabura doesn't mean anything.
- Doctor Strange would do what I said in my earlier posts to any Buu. It doesn't matter.

[Warhammer]

Superman Prime would pull off the win.
Hyper Sonic would not lose quickly, though.

[Jplaya2023]

I've got two things:

- I know which Buu he is, and "sonning" Vegeta, Gohan, and Dabura doesn't mean anything.
- Doctor Strange would do what I said in my earlier posts to any Buu. It doesn't matter.

buu wins you're overrating strange big surprize

[Warhammer]

buu wins you're overrating strange big surprize

- How am I overrating Strange?
You should actually pick up a comic or read up on him before you cast a vote.

- Out of all people, who are you to say that I overrate someone?

Jplaya, get out of here.

[Sloth7d]

The way I see it. Majin buu would just kill him before he can react.

[Jplaya2023]

The way I see it. Majin buu would just kill him before he can react.


dude's here let their bias fanboyisms take over rational thought. It's truely distrurbing

[CBG]

dude's here let their bias fanboyisms take over rational thought. It's truely distrurbing

You're hardly one to talk.

[Warhammer]

dude's here let their bias fanboyisms take over rational thought. It's truely distrurbing

Somebody's mad.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[Endless Mike]

Considering Buu obeyed Babidi and was afraid he was too slow to kill Babidi before Babidi said that spell to seal him, and Babidi only has normal human reaction times (he had to trick Babidi and get up close to him and cover his mouth to kill him), and also considering that Doctor Strange has automatic defenses that can take at least as much as a supernova explosion, I don't see a speedblitz being an option here....

[Jplaya2023]

Somebody's mad.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:


nah im not mad. Dr Strange is good but i just dont think he can beat buu

[SLVRSR4]

The way I see it. Majin buu would just kill him before he can react.

Dr. Strange invented voyeur! He can be astral and just put majin buu in a sack with magic cats beat it and have him slashed to death! Remember these are magic so they do crazy killing claw techniques?:whatever: :o :woot: :huh:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Understandable, but he worried that if he misfired, he'd destroy the universe.

Maybe he didn't knew how it worked propobly, however there can only be speculations around this.



Yes, the IG sans Reality Gem sent Quasar to Oblivion's realm -- the Magus used a thought to turn the UN's affect upon the bearer. Quasar activated the UN (he stated so), and was concentrating on Magus as the target, trying not to misfire and destroy the universe.
Again the reality (a part of the Gauntlet) can send people t other realms.
So basicly it's Multi-versal, huh?

We allready know that the UN have destroyed the Multi-verse and recreated it without Abraxas.

If the Gauntlet can remove it's power, than it have to be more powerful right?


The definition of the omniverse means all possible universes -- it's certainly not limited to Marvel Comics, in proper definition in the real (our) world. There's only one omniverse -- containing DC, Image, Dreamwave, Marvel, our real world, anime, cartoon, fiction, etc. There's no such thing as more than one omniverse.
That crap comes from the first DC vs Marvel issues, and I belive those are non canon.
Omni - All
verse - reality

All realities in Marvel is Marvel's Omni-verse.

However, since Roma, Merlin and co. use the term omniverse, it either means they are literally guardians of the omniverse, of Marvel uses the term omniverse to describe their megaverse.
Yeah, I bet there is a old human chick out there that overseers even our universe.


And if I remember correctly, Roma said that every Galactus was meant to hold an Abraxas of their respective reality. Yet, we know this is not completely true; the Galactus of Earth X (9997, if I'm not mistaken) was charged with the purpose of to stop the Celestials from overpopulating. The Gah-Lak-Tus of the Ultimate verse had an even different purpose.
Abraxas is the abstract of destruction and despair.
He was an Multi-versal abstract, in there with:
Multi-Eternity/-Infinity
Infinity being
Living Tribunal
ect.


With the rest of the gems, they would have reformed Infiniti, who before its death, was everything throughout all realities.
Exactly. But Infiniti as you know him is actually called: The Infninity being.




All-of-the-verses of Marvel Comics and its imprints, or that and outside of it?
Universe - One reality
Multi-verse - Many realites (not a specific nubmer)
Mega-verse - Everything we know that's Marvel.
Omni-verse - All relalities, an infinity amount.

When stated, all Mutli-verse it's directly refering to the Omni-verse of Marvel.


Depends on the IG. I'll get back to you when I reread IW.
You allready said that Infinity being (Infiniti) was Multi-versal.



Could being the key word.

Remember, Thanos was the master of All That Is, when he possessed the HOTU. He was bonded to omni-reality, like you said. Then he was furious and absrobed everything that would defy his reign. All That Is soon became All That Was.

Most tend to translate All That Is as the multiverse. Yet, only the universe was destroyed and restored by Thanos. Even the cancer was universal, as described by Thanos in Marvel The End #5.

Omni-reality = Omni-versal
Do we refere to "All universe/reality" when we say Omniverse?
No we refere to every reality.

Thanos also said that Azela was guarded (at that point) by a very special being.

HOTI >> LT (m-body or abstract?) >> IG > I-IG >> UN >> entire mutli-verse

If Thanos only could control one reality, as you claim.
His universal power would be superior to beings wih Multi-versal powers.
And that's like saying: The President is weaker than a Major of a city.

However, this is off topic, the match is long over and should be debated elsewhere (Comics thread - Marvel.)

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Bejiita - First time SSJ
http://100megsfree4.com/abcsofdbz/gallery/vegeta.jpg


VS

Karatekid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Legionkaratekid.jpg

[Endless Mike]

Pre - Crisis or Post - Crisis KK?

Oh, and would you stop with the DBZ matches for a while? They draw out too many fanboys.

[Jplaya2023]

Bejiita - First time SSJ
http://100megsfree4.com/abcsofdbz/gallery/vegeta.jpg


VS

Karatekid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Legionkaratekid.jpg

vegeta

[Sloth7d]

Karatekid is very good. He knows how to fight and is strong enough to hurt a supeman. He's also fast. But Vegita would still take him.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Pre - Crisis or Post - Crisis KK?

Oh, and would you stop with the DBZ matches for a while? They draw out too many fanboys.
But if I stop making DB matches they wont draw any attention at all, I have tried.
Oh well you can count on the next one.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Oh, post-crisis KK

[CBG]

However, this is off topic, the match is long over and should be debated elsewhere (Comics thread - Marvel.)

Understandable. Can you please direct me to the thread?

Oh, post-crisis KK

With the Flight Ring?

If Vegeta keeps his distance from Val, he'll have the upper edge, due to his ki blasts. Val needs to be a close range to be effective.

It's up to Vegeta how he'll fight -- close range, or from a distance in the air. Close range, Val would definitely hold his own, if not defeat Vegeta. In the air, where Vegeta keeps his distance and targets him, Val would try to avoid the majority of the time. Not even sure if the flight ring could match with Vegeta's speed when they fly.

[Gotenks]

I still say Buu wins.
Superman prime.
Vegeta.
Jplaya has done that match before in another thread I dont know why he keeps posting the same matches even when he is not suposed to.
Its not that hard just PM Mikael.

[Jplaya2023]

I still say Buu wins.
Superman prime.
Vegeta.
Jplaya has done that match before in another thread I dont know why he keeps posting the same matches even when he is not suposed to.
Its not that hard just PM Mikael.

i did? i dont remember

[Gotenks]

No big.
Now that I think about it I think it was Supergirl.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Ichigou
http://www.anti-freez.net/bleach/ichigo.jpg

VS

Ghost rider
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/5/57/Ghostrider.jpg/442px-Ghostrider.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I was thinking Shishio (From Ruroni Kenshin, he's a fire fanatic as well), but than it would probobly make the battle one-sided.

[Sloth7d]

I don't know what ichigo can do. So I say Ghost rider.

[Gotenks]

Hey Mikael dont you think your going a little bit to fast?
Two matches in one day isn't really your style.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well I will be studying all day tomorrow, so there is a chance I will not be able to make a match then so I did it now.

[Gotenks]

Ahh, I see.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Post something about the other guy (not Ghost Rider) about his stuff.

[Gotenks]

Ichigo?
I think he is kinda similar to yusuke in alot of ways, but this is what he can do...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki#Powers

[Warhammer]

I dont know much about Ichigo, but can't he banish demons to Hell with that Zanpakuto?

- I'm a little rusty on Ghost Rider, as well. Is Johnny Blaze bonded with Zarathos which would technically make him bonded with a demon, or is he bonded with the Spirit of Vengeance?

- Is the Spirit of Vengeance and Zarathos the same?

- Is the Spirit of Vengeance a demon?

[CBG]

Zarathos is one of the Spirits of Vengeance. And Zarathos is a demon. I don't think that Zarathos was the sole spirit of vengeance.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Zarathos is a huge demon in hell who was condemned for some reason or another. Ghost Rider and Vengeance channel his flame, but are not fully empowered to his level.

[Warhammer]

So when Blaze/Ketch turn into the flaming form, that is technically Zarathos?

[Warhammer]

...Ghost Rider was always confusing to me.
He is cool as hell, but confusing. :confused:

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, just like... I guess a fragment of him would be the best way to describe it. There's been times when Zarathos has possessed Ghost Rider, but he's not actually Zarathos. Zarathos would mop the floor with most people Ghost Rider has come into contact with. Hulk? No problem. Strange? Dead. The Avengers? Probably decimated.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ghost Rider is cool. But only so cool. He's not like Frenchtastically cool or anything.

[Warhammer]

No, just like... I guess a fragment of him would be the best way to describe it. There's been times when Zarathos has possessed Ghost Rider, but he's not actually Zarathos. Zarathos would mop the floor with most people Ghost Rider has come into contact with. Hulk? No problem. Strange? Dead. The Avengers? Probably decimated.

So the the flaming figure that is Ghost Rider just happens to be a bit of Zarathos, or something that looks like him, but not actually Zarathos, himself? :huh:

[LouFerignoDemon]

A fragment of Zarathos' power really. Let me start back. He's confined in hell, technically, though bonded to Ghost Rider, who doesn't have the full level of Zarathos' powers.

[Warhammer]

Thank You Mistress. :up: :D :)

[LouFerignoDemon]

He's kind of interesting. But I never really latched onto Ghost Rider myself. But if you're interested, I suggest looking up some stuff on him, he's got some cool stuff to read about.

[CBG]

The Ghost Rider movie doesn't sound promising.

Especially with the line "I'm Ghost Rider." by Nicholas Cage. Cheesy. . .

[Warhammer]

He's kind of interesting. But I never really latched onto Ghost Rider myself. But if you're interested, I suggest looking up some stuff on him, he's got some cool stuff to read about.

Well actually, I'm not a Ghost Rider fan at all.
I just asked mostly because he was in the last battle against Ichigo. I'm glad I know about that Zarathos stuff, though, cuz it was bugging me.

[Warhammer]

The Ghost Rider movie doesn't sound promising.

Especially with the line "I'm Ghost Rider." by Nicholas Cage. Cheesy. . .

Lol.
I think it'll be an alright movie. I'll definitely see it, even if it was Nic.

[CBG]

Regarding Ghost Rider, he had a 6 issue miniseries by Garth Ennis. He's due to come back in a monthy some time next year, I believe.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Kagero
http://surbrook.devermore.net/ninjascroll/kagero.jpg

VS

Black cat
http://www.keystar-r-s.com/reviews/pics/comics/marvel/Black_Cat.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

[:csad: No one voted at the last one, oh well:

Inuyasha
http://www.dswnet.com/wallpapers/images/1135015603.jpg

VS

Moonknight
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Moonknight/MoonknightCape.gif



Battle takes place at night (]full moon) in a forset
http://home.chello.no/~larse/Mane1.jpg

[Sloth7d]

Inuyasha during a fullmoon will make moonknight wish he was the "SunSamurai"!
Seriously this isn't even close.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Sephiroth
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/300W/images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/151/b/2/Sephiroth_Advent_Childeren.jpg

VS

Darth Vader
http://pda.dk/pda-classic/pdalt/pdart/darth-vader.gif

[Sloth7d]

Sephiroth. Anyone who saw Final Fantasy AC should know.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

By jumping from building to building and impale Coulu's shoulder with the Massamune.

He was impressive, but only Wolverine level impressive (No PIS).
And unfortunally that aint enough for Vader, who can implode space-crafts with only his mind.
And give life to fallen comrades.

- Novel Vader.

Besides how is Massamune going to go through the lightsabre which is about 3k-5k degrees celsius. (close to the core of the sun)

[Gotenks]

Lol, yeah I will go with sephiroth as well.

[Sloth7d]

By jumping from building to building and impale Coulu's shoulder with the Massamune.

He was impressive, but only Wolverine level impressive (No PIS).
And unfortunally that aint enough for Vader, who can implode space-crafts with only his mind.
And give life to fallen comrades.

- Novel Vader.

Besides how is Massamune going to go through the lightsabre which is about 3k-5k degrees celsius. (close to the core of the sun)
Sephiroth used Masamune in the core of a volcano, and it was sturdy enough to slice through buildings like paper.
And I think Sephiroth can move around bullet speed seeing as he is faster than Cloud a guy who makes bullets look like they're going in slowmotion. But it will be hard for Sephiroth to land a hit. Because the jedis can predict movement with the force, unless he uses magic. Thats one of the edges he has in combat here.
But the game ending move is if Sephiroth decides to turn into safer Sephiroth. Then its all over for Anakin here.

[Warhammer]

I dunno.

[Ultra-Herald9]

I have argued this match so many times and i'll say it again.....VADER WINS! The thing about fighting Jedi is that if you don't have the force or at least something like it you are SCREWED! Magic works NOTHING like the force(which is an all-powerful energy field that is one with everything) and seeing as how you need materia in the ff7 world to use any sort of spell that puts him at a further disadvantage(although it could be argued that since he became one with the lifestream all spells were open to him except meteor of course). That being said Vader would just force crush Sephiroth's lungs and heart(he could actually easily do his whole body) and decapitate Seph like it was nothing! It doesn't matter if he could jump fast and fly around(since all Vader has to do is sense Sephiroth's presence with the force and will it to kill him!)and Masamune is NOT defending against any lightsaber!

[Ultra-Herald9]

But I also forgot to say that I assume this fight is against a more human Seph and not as he was when he fused with the life stream. Life stream Sephiroth would take a lot of master Jedi to defeat!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

This is not a fight, it's simply who would you rather be.

Tidus
http://finalmangatop.free.fr/FF10%20tidus%201.jpg

Or

Bruce Waybe (Batman)
http://members.aol.com/whoclix/wayne.gif

[Gotenks]

Bruce Wayne.

[Sloth7d]

Hmmm.... Damn...... this one is tough. I'm sure Batman has defeated sword weilding magic users before. But at the same time Tidus is no ordinary sword weilding magic user.....
Does Batman get prep time for this fight?

[Gotenks]

He said it wasnt a fight.
Who would you rather be is the question.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Hmmm.... Damn...... this one is tough. I'm sure Batman has defeated sword weilding magic users before. But at the same time Tidus is no ordinary sword weilding magic user.....
Does Batman get prep time for this fight?

This is not a fight, it's simply who would you rather be.

Tidus


Or <--


Bruce Waybe (Batman)


Read again . . . No offence.

[Sloth7d]

Oops my bad:D
I can relate to Tidus more as a character and I don't want to have dead parents(Even though we all know what Tidus must eventually do to someone) But I'd still rather be Tidus more.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Being Bruce would rule! You have financial security and you have the coolest friends a guy could have not to mention being the batman would never get old. Plus every once in a while you'll get a Universal threat or Intercompany crossover wiyh Marvel(teaming up with Daredevil would be my dream!)so i'd say Bruce.

With tidus you only really get blitzball and a summoner then you kinda die.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't know. I dislike them both. I guess Bruce Wayne. *Shrugs.*

[Sloth7d]

Being Bruce would rule! You have financial security and you have the coolest friends a guy could have not to mention being the batman would never get old. Plus every once in a while you'll get a Universal threat or Intercompany crossover wiyh Marvel(teaming up with Daredevil would be my dream!)so i'd say Bruce.

With tidus you only really get blitzball and a summoner then you kinda die.

Didn't they find him alive on FFX-2 during the good ending?

I wouldn't know because X-2 kinda sucked and I stopped playing after the first few minutes.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Kinda extremely sucked.

[Sloth7d]

Hey SS4 Mikael mind if I post a match. Its kind of a stupid match though, but I wanna post it just for laughs.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Go ahead.

[Warhammer]

Bruce Wayne, easily.
I don't care about blitzball and fighting Jecht, Yunalesca, etc.

Bring on the money. :o

[Sloth7d]

Go ahead.
Nah, I change my mind. Its a stupid match.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Nah, I change my mind. Its a stupid match.
Do it, even if it's more for laughs then who would win.

Some threads (at DBZ forums) are like this: SSJ3 Gokou vs Super Boo
And than they write: this is only created for the purpose: n00b's show yourselves.

However, I think you might have a good point, bring it on.

[Sloth7d]

edit, knew it was a bad match.

[Sloth7d]

So....... Anyone wanna revamp some life into this thread. Some good match ups could be Vash the Stampede vs Spiderman, Wolverine vs Scar(FullmetalAlchemist), Batman vs Kenshin, Alucard vs Mandarin, Ryo vs Captain America, ect.

[SLVRSR4]

I guess i'll have to revamp the entire anime manga threads! I would be Tidus and Sephiroth. Vader's a burn victim and Batman has way too many enemies.

[SLVRSR4]

http://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/blade_tv_series.jpgWho would you rather be? while blade can be in the sunlight longer dunpeale is faster.
i go dunpeale despite the parasitic hand. Blade should have joined the vampires so i can't pick him.







http://members.aol.com/Xxxxx10178/VHD/Amano_D-01_a.jpg

[Sloth7d]

What? No fight?
Owell. Blade because I'm not too familiar with the other guy.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Is that D from Vampire Hunter D? Cause if so this fight is pretty unfair. Blade is cool but he ain't taking on D.

[Crimson_L]

Blade.

[Nathan]

Oohh.... Blade is going DOWN!

[SLVRSR4]

I thought this was the who would you rather be thread:o

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Pre-retcon Amalgam Brother's (The one above all and the Presence)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers1.jpg

versus

Kami Tenchi and Lord of Nightmares
http://www.viz.com/products/images/products/coming_soon.gifhttp://www.queenofswords.com/zotc15.jpg

[CBG]

How can a person be two different people/characters/entities simultaneously?

[Sloth7d]

I thought this was the who would you rather be thread:o
Its a vs thread.
And SS4Mikael I vote for the Amalgambrothers since I don't know the other two guys.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Amalgam brothers. Each was meant to be the actual God of everything. And there's two of them there, and if they aren't fighting each other as normal, then them.

[CBG]

Well, the Pre-Retcon Amalgam Brother encompassed everything except each other.

And I don't know much about the Tenchi series save second-hand info from other posters. So I'm undecided on the issue.

[LouFerignoDemon]

There was never a Post Retcon version of them. O.o They were just there for that little event, and that's it.

[CBG]

Well, the retcon was that the Spectre and LT created them.

[Sloth7d]

Really, I didn't know that. What a lame retcon.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

There was never a Post Retcon version of them. O.o They were just there for that little event, and that's it.
After the first issue, it was said that Spectre and the Living Tribunal tested them wwhen they lost to them ...
Well actually it was more like:

1. Blue Amalgam fights Red Amalgam
2. Living Tribunal and Spectre tries to stop them, to save the MU and DCU.
3. Blue and Red don't even notice the Living Tribunal and the Spectre who gets flushed away to oblivion by the energies released in the fight between Marvel and DC.

In the second issue the Living Tribunal and Spectre reapears and defeat the brothers, and claims that they tested them, that was the retcon.

[SLVRSR4]

That is a lame retcon. i go with them though

[Nathan]

Huh? I thought the brothers accepted each other and in the end they continued their existence as they always did. :huh:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Here's the bio of the Amalgam Brothers:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

Here is their power level:
Powers/Abilities: Considering that the Brothers are the sum total of everything in the Marvel universe (and the rest of its multiverse-- see comments) and DC universe, they are incalculably powerful, and even such cosmic entities such as Eternity are like insects to them. The Living Tribunal, the most powerful being known in the Marvel Universe, was barely able to stall them, and was beneath their notice.

[LouFerignoDemon]

After the first issue, it was said that Spectre and the Living Tribunal tested them wwhen they lost to them ...
Well actually it was more like:

1. Blue Amalgam fights Red Amalgam
2. Living Tribunal and Spectre tries to stop them, to save the MU and DCU.
3. Blue and Red don't even notice the Living Tribunal and the Spectre who gets flushed away to oblivion by the energies released in the fight between Marvel and DC.

In the second issue the Living Tribunal and Spectre reapears and defeat the brothers, and claims that they tested them, that was the retcon.

Eh. I've never even heard of a second coming of them before.

I require a name of the comic and such.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Eh. I've never even heard of a second coming of them before.

I require a name of the comic and such.
DC vs Marvel the first four issues.

[LouFerignoDemon]

DC vs Marvel the first four issues.

You have scans of everything else. Do you have any of these?

The retcon of course.

[Warhammer]

Amalgam brothers

[SSJ4_Mikael]

You have scans of everything else. Do you have any of these?

The retcon of course.
Sorry I don't have that scan, I can however get it ... I PM you later.
It's from issue 4, where the Brother's are figting at LT's pam, and he closes it.

[CBG]

DC vs. Marvel #4? Are you sure?

I just looked through it right now. The related panels aren't there where LT holds the architects aren't there.

[Crimson_L]

The funny looking Amalgam Brothers.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The funny looking Amalgam Brothers.
Also think they look like Transformers?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The retcon of the Amalgam Bros.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3383/brothersls7xk2.jpg

[Nathan]

What the heck? I've never seen that before.

[CBG]

Though, it's not in DC vs. Marvel #4. At least, not in my copy.

According to the Brothers bio link you provided, the writer of the bio -- or at least a contributor -- found it in the Adventures of the X-Men #12.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Though, it's not in DC vs. Marvel #4. At least, not in my copy.

According to the Brothers bio link you provided, the writer of the bio -- or at least a contributor -- found it in the Adventures of the X-Men #12.
No it's not in the 4th issue, sorry for confusing.

[CBG]

Understandable.

Though, of all the places to find the retcon, an issue of Adventures of X-Men -- if the contributor was true -- is quite uncommon.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Deadpool
http://web.njit.edu/~dac8/images/DeadPool.bmp

http://www.versus.ch/images/Logo.gif

Alucard
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs5/300W/i/2004/304/b/a/Alucard_Mai_Masuta__by_jubame.jpg

[Nathan]

Uhm... Aren't they both Japanese characters? :huh:

[CBG]

If this is Hellsing Alucard, Dante can't do much. His only hope is to use the Time Bangle as Super Dante and utilize his DDT form. His greatest offense as the ki-beam in DMC2 and the Jackpot! shot may won't be sufficient enough to kill all the souls Hellsing Alucard has.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Uhm... Aren't they both Japanese characters? :huh:
Oh sorry, I was supose to pick a fight for Deadpool. Just couldent decide and it all went wrong ...

[CBG]

Deadpool?

Well, if the immortality curse on Deadpool is still intact, Wade can't die. Though, he can be incapcitated, as the Facade Virus showed.

[Warhammer]

Alucard.

[Sloth7d]

Alacard can't kill him, but he can knock him out.
I vote Alucard.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Deadpool easily. Alucard just doesn't have the skill man.

[Crimson_L]

Hmmmm...

Deadpool.

[Sloth7d]

I'm in shock. Deadpool actually got two votes!!!!!:wow:

[CBG]

Well, Deadpool's greatest weapon is his sense of humour. And that's borderline cosmic.

[Sloth7d]

So Cable, CaptainAmerica, and Wolverine>borderline cosmic?:wow:
Though I wouldn't be surprised if a writer actually did that with Wolverine now a days.

[CBG]

Well, how many characters can walk away being unaffected or not annoyed by Wade's humour in the slightest?

Excluding the deaf; they have one advantage.

[Sloth7d]

Well, Alacard counter acts Wades senseless sense of humor with his sick and twisted sense of humor. Everytime I've seen Alacard laugh meant something bad was about to happen to his enemy. If Wade makes him laugh its over for him.:p
But seriously, Alacrad, is far too powerful for Wade to beat.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well, Alacard counter acts Wades senseless sense of humor with his sick and twisted sense of humor. Everytime I've seen Alacard laugh meant something bad was about to happen to his enemy. If Wade makes him laugh its over for him.:p
But seriously, Alacrad, is far too powerful for Wade to beat.

I doubt it. From what I've read from Hellsing Alucard beat pretty bad. But then again I only read up to the part where they were fighting those nazi guys.

[The_Dark_Knight]

hhmmm... I'll have to go with Deadpool

[Sloth7d]

I doubt it. From what I've read from Hellsing Alucard beat pretty bad. But then again I only read up to the part where they were fighting those nazi guys.
Alacard is on a whole different level of power. All he is, is another version of dracula, just spell his name backwards. Bullets are like paper plains to him. He has vast hypnosis and teleportation powers and has regernerated from a pile of blood plenty of times. I don't see a way Deadpool can win. Even holy items have had little success in ever defeating Alacard.
Here, check out some of his powers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alucard_%28Hellsing%29#Powers
Really, this match is onesided. And I don't see how anyone can vote for DP exept out of popularity.

[CBG]

The only way for Deadpool to win is that he bores and annoys Alucard from continuing on.

But all kidding aside, Deadpool can't even begin to mount a decent offense against Alucard.

[Crimson_L]

Alacard is on a whole different level of power. All he is, is another version of dracula, just spell his name backwards. Bullets are like paper plains to him. He has vast hypnosis and teleportation powers and has regernerated from a pile of blood plenty of times. I don't see a way Deadpool can win. Even holy items have had little success in ever defeating Alacard.
Here, check out some of his powers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alucard_%28Hellsing%29#Powers
Really, this match is onesided. And I don't see how anyone can vote for DP exept out of popularity.

Ha! Your probably right. I like Alucard more than Deadpool and know he is stronger but still...

Deadpool.:cwink:

[Sloth7d]

You mean you like Deadpool more than Alacard, right?

[Crimson_L]

Nope, Deadpool is funny and can kick butt but Alucard is such a fun character to watch. I'll change my vote to Alucard if that'll make you happy, what say you?

Also just curious, why do you spell Alucard's name Alacard?

[Sloth7d]

Nope, Deadpool is funny and can kick butt but Alucard is such a fun character to watch. I'll change my vote to Alucard if that'll make you happy, what say you?
You don't have to please me. I'm just curious how some peple think Deadpool can win this. Are they voting out of popularity or do they actually think that?


Also just curious, why do you spell Alucard's name Alacard?
.....I don't know......I always spell it alacard for some reason.

[Crimson_L]

You don't have to please me. I'm just curious how some peple think Deadpool can win this. Are they voting out of popularity or do they actually think that?

I think both of these can play off one another, if they don't exactly know who Alucard is then Deadpool it is!

.....I don't know......I always spell it alacard for some reason.

Hmmmm...reminds me kind of how I spell and say Zarathos's name as Zarthos because it sounds cooler.

Well I'm off to sleep...

[Nathan]

Alucard for the win.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Nuova Shenlon
http://hometown.aol.com/kkid110/images/nova.jpg


VS


Fin fang foom
http://comolo.redsectorart.com/images/commiss/color/images/finfang1.jpg

[Ultra-Herald9]

Alacard is on a whole different level of power. All he is, is another version of dracula, just spell his name backwards. Bullets are like paper plains to him. He has vast hypnosis and teleportation powers and has regernerated from a pile of blood plenty of times. I don't see a way Deadpool can win. Even holy items have had little success in ever defeating Alacard.
Here, check out some of his powers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alucard_%28Hellsing%29#Powers
Really, this match is onesided. And I don't see how anyone can vote for DP exept out of popularity.

Damn....my bad. Wow. Go Alucard.:wow:

[Crimson_L]

Hmmmm...I have no clue about the Samuel L. Jackson looking Dragon Ball GT guy, so inform me if me going with Fin Fang Foom is bull.

Fin Fang Foom.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Alucard, and OBVIOUSLY Shenron. Foom doesn't even STAND a chance against that.

[Crimson_L]

Very well then...

Nuova "Samuel L. Jackson" Shenlon.

[Gotenks]

Nova Shenron.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Is this really even a contest? Nova Wins!(flawless victory)

[SLVRSR4]

Deadpool vs. Alucard is pointless they are both immortal. If it isn't to the finish it isn't a fight!:oldrazz:

[Sloth7d]

NovaShenron.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Wow. He does look like Sam Jackson.:ninja:

[King Yakumo]

Fin fang foom ftw..

more fights Michael Demiurgos!!!!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Sauron
http://membres.lycos.fr/annun01/images/ringcon05/sauron.jpg







http://www.vs-versus.de/Bilder/mainlogo.JPG




Gourry Gabriev
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e9/Manga_Gourry_Gabriev.gif

[King Yakumo]

is Sauron from elder scrolls or something??

[SSJ4_Mikael]

is Sauron from elder scrolls or something??
... Lord of the Rings?

[King Yakumo]

ohh, i havent seen that movie in a long time, im going with sauron on this one. Sauron magic is to powerful. imo

[Sloth7d]

Sauron.

[Crimson_L]

Wow, I thought this was dead, anyway...

Sauron.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Seeing how it's just some guy pretending to be Sauron, the other guy.

That, and I hate Lord of the Rings.

[Crimson_L]

Seeing how it's just some guy pretending to be Sauron, the other guy.

That, and I hate Lord of the Rings.

Nice!

[Speedball]

Sauron.
That costume is amazing. Is that actual WETA work? Or did the guy in the suit make it from scratch?