Do you wish to hear Elfman's Batman Theme in the sequel?

[Steelsheen]

first off, i'm not complaining anything about the Zimmer/ Newton-Howard soundtrack in BB, i think it was very fitting for the mood of the film and the style that Nolan was trying to achieve. but there is something classic about Elfman's theme that i've been wishing to hear with this version of the franchise. to me The Batman theme and The Finale are very much part of the Batman institution, much like John William's Superman theme is to that franchise.

i'm not asking for one whole track dedicated to an Elfman adaptation (like what Ottman has done for SR). all i'm hoping for is to weave a few memorable notes from the Elfman theme to the current track for the sequel.


your thoughts please.

:batman:

[Two-Face]

Elfman was great but I don't want to hear it since it's nothing to do with Nolan batman sequel, I want Howard and Zimmer return.

[CConn]

I'm fine with it not being included. As the standard talking point goes, BB may be too stylistically different than Elfman's music to fit like it fit with Burton's films. I wouldn't complain if Howard and Zimmer came up with a actual, humm-able theme for the BB2 though.

Although your idea of including just a few notes might be pretty good, but I'd need to hear an example or something to know for sure.

[The Chairman]

A nice nod to it would be fine. Elfman's score is going to be the one I associate with Batman, especially since the one from BB was the least memorable aspect of the film.

[Eddie Dean]

Not really.

[Doc Holliday]

Elfman's score was beautiful; great stuff. But this is a new franchise, and it has a new score.

So no.

[batmaluco]

Elfman's score was beautiful; great stuff. But this is a new franchise, and it has a new score.

So no.

:up:

[The Chairman]

Elfman's score was beautiful; great stuff. But this is a new franchise, and it has a new score.

So no.

Yeah, I'll say no to, I guess. I wouldn't mind a brief nod, though.

[BatMatt]

Well as CConn said, it wouldn't fit into the new style of Batman. I like the score in Begins a lot, it has two themes, and the Batman one, imo, is humm-able, its just not repeated much in the film

[Katsuro]

Definatley not. Different franchise, different mood, different score.

[mcflytrap]

Elfman's theme doesn't sound right with BB. It's way too cartoonish.

[TheGrayGhost]

I don't like the B89 Elfman theme. But I do like the Elfman/Walker theme for MOTP and BTAS/TNBAS/BB/JL/JLU. I would pass out from joy if I heard the Shirley Walker leitmotif in future movies, even if it was just a small musical cue. But it won't happen, and it's fine by me. Although I must say that I thought I heard a cue from that leitmotif in BB.

But no, B89 Elfman theme should stay out. I can't believe we are discussing this.

[StorminNorman]

Putting Elfman's score in the Sequel would be like putting Nicholson in the Joker role. Both are great, both were fantastic in the 89 movie, both should not be seen EVER in this franchise.

[Dark Guardian]

It would actually be pretty cool if they could subtly throw that in their somewhere, not necessarily as any part of the theme, but maybe he's walking through the street and really quietly we hear the Elfman theme playing on a radio nearby or something, I think that would just be funny.

[Batjosh]

It would actually be pretty cool if they could subtly throw that in their somewhere, not necessarily as any part of the theme, but maybe he's walking through the street and really quietly we hear the Elfman theme playing on a radio nearby or something, I think that would just be funny.

I like your idea. Then suddenly some action scene kicks in that uses some new hummable theme for this Batman franchise.

[StorminNorman]

It would actually be pretty cool if they could subtly throw that in their somewhere, not necessarily as any part of the theme, but maybe he's walking through the street and really quietly we hear the Elfman theme playing on a radio nearby or something, I think that would just be funny.

I dont like it - again, especially in a Bat film starring the JOKER the less references made to the Burton Batman the better IMO. This idea would be the equivalent of having Jack Nicholson in a cameo roll.

[theShape]

it's too late now. a modified elfman score could definitely have worked in BB. slower, heavier, dark. not as upbeat. i can hear it in my head, and it's too hard to explain. but i think it would've sounded great.

but like i said, it's too late to include it now.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Okay.....one question.

Why....?

[The Kid]

New franchise. won't happen.

[Shoemeister]

The Elfman theme is a classic, no doubt, but it has no place in these sequels. The studio knows that.

Besides, I'm in love with Zimmer and Newton-Howard's music from BB. It's definitely one of my favorite new movie scores. Just brilliant, beautiful pieces on there. From bombastic and heroic marches to dark and tortured arrangements, it's got the whole character of Batman and the world that surrounds him all rolled into one perfect musical package. I love it!

[Scandalous]

Absolutely not. Leave Elfman's score where it belongs--in the past.

Zimmer did a great job with BB and I hope he returns for the sequel.

[Ongie]

I'd love to hear a reprise of Elfman's score in the next film...
Although I'd like to hear a NEW theme even more :).

[Cinemaman]

Elfman was great but I don't want to hear it since it's nothing to do with Nolan batman sequel, I want Howard and Zimmer return.

Agreed. Nolan makes and has everything new in his own Bat-franchise.

Elfman is great and my favorite composer, but BB has another beginning with another theme.

[Beelze]

Not even a nod to it. The score in Begins was good enough. It enhanced the mood without dominating. For the sequel, I'd like something similar.

[Steelsheen]

wow, an overwhelming number of you guys voted no. i thought you're all Batfans? :p

i'm not saying Zimmer/ Newton-Howard adapt a whole track from Elfman, heck no. as i said earlier i'm not looking for an Ottman-Williams type of adaptation (which was essentially the whole Superman March). that's too much. all i'm hoping for is a few memorable notes of Elfman's Batman Theme or maybe The Finale be weaved into the soundtrack for the BB sequel, but 98% of the tracks still has to be distinctively Zimmer/ Howard.

come on i bet most peope here can hum those 5-6 notes of that classic Batman Theme. only that, and weave it into whichever track that would be most appropriate. like The Shape they can make it slower, darker to fit the style of this current franchise. it can work guys. :)

[Two-Face]

IF Nolan does it I will be happy but again no I don't want it to happen, like everyone said this is new franchise new Batman etc...

[Katsuro]

wow, an overwhelming number of you guys voted no. i thought you're all Batfans? :p

i'm not saying Zimmer/ Newton-Howard adapt a whole track from Elfman, heck no. as i said earlier i'm not looking for an Ottman-Williams type of adaptation (which was essentially the whole Superman March). that's too much. all i'm hoping for is a few memorable notes of Elfman's Batman Theme or maybe The Finale be weaved into the soundtrack for the BB sequel, but 98% of the tracks still has to be distinctively Zimmer/ Howard.

come on i bet most peope here can hum those 5-6 notes of that classic Batman Theme. only that, and weave it into whichever track that would be most appropriate. like The Shape they can make it slower, darker to fit the style of this current franchise. it can work guys. :)

Still. These are different franchises, and a similar theme would only serve to connect them. If you're gonna do that, you may as well put "na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!" in there too.

[lujho]

I would actualy prefer Walker's theme to be incorporated as a major theme, if not the major theme, of the films.

You know, you can actually hum Walker's theme over the Zimmer/Howard main theme? You could actually combine those two bits of music so that Walker's theme would be in the style of the Zimmer/Howard score. Once introduced it could be used in various styles (leitmotif).

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.

I'm quite disappointed the Superman Returns doesn't feature (that I know of - it's not on the soundtrack) the Fleischer/Radio Show theme (they both had the same theme) as Singer mentioned in an interview once. He never said they'd do it for sure but he definitly discussed the idea. Or the Reeves theme either. I think it'd have been nice that when Superman was doing something particularly Fleischery or Reeves-y you could hear those themes for a few seconds.

Same could be done with Batman.

[Steelsheen]

i see. so you guys (the ones who voted no) treats this and the Burton films as separate versions of the franchise?

for me, good or bad, these films are all part of the Batman institution, so i dont mind one version borrowing some concepts from other versions, specially if they've proven to be classics. the Batman elipse is now a classic, it doesnt belong to the one guy who drew it on, it belongs now to the whole franchise. to me that's how i regard Elfman's Batman theme, it has transcended beyond its association with the Burton's franchise and is now simply THE Batman Theme.

[Steelsheen]

Still. These are different franchises, and a similar theme would only serve to connect them. If you're gonna do that, you may as well put "na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!" in there too.

no that theme is nostalgic, not classic :p

[Steelsheen]

I would actualy prefer Walker's theme to be incorporated as a major theme, if not the major theme, of the films.

You know, you can actually hum Walker's theme over the Zimmer/Howard main theme? You could actually combine those two bits of music so that Walker's theme would be in the style of the Zimmer/Howard score. Once introduced it could be used in various styles (leitmotif).

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.

there! exactly what i mean :up:

[mcflytrap]

It would actually be pretty cool if they could subtly throw that in their somewhere, not necessarily as any part of the theme, but maybe he's walking through the street and really quietly we hear the Elfman theme playing on a radio nearby or something, I think that would just be funny.

And then about 10,000,000 more people hear the theme and are instantly convinced that its a prequel/remake.

[mcflytrap]

wow, an overwhelming number of you guys voted no. i thought you're all Batfans? :p

i'm not saying Zimmer/ Newton-Howard adapt a whole track from Elfman, heck no. as i said earlier i'm not looking for an Ottman-Williams type of adaptation (which was essentially the whole Superman March). that's too much. all i'm hoping for is a few memorable notes of Elfman's Batman Theme or maybe The Finale be weaved into the soundtrack for the BB sequel, but 98% of the tracks still has to be distinctively Zimmer/ Howard.

come on i bet most peope here can hum those 5-6 notes of that classic Batman Theme. only that, and weave it into whichever track that would be most appropriate. like The Shape they can make it slower, darker to fit the style of this current franchise. it can work guys. :)

This is never going to happen as surely as Christopher Reeve will never play Superman again. Sorry for the analogy but it's the first thing that came to mind.

[BATFREDDIE]

honestly the zimmer/howard soundtrack was freaking amazing, i was sure before i saw the movie that it was gonna be pale in comparrison to the elfman score but it surpassed it IMO.

[theShape]

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.


that's what i mean. instead of those few big notes that the Zimmer score has, incorporate the Elfman notes. not the whole march, that would be just silly. i would've loved to have heard a little Elfman in BB, but nothing over the top.

but like i said, too late now.

[Steelsheen]

there is always hope ;)

[Scandalous]

i see. so you guys (the ones who voted no) treats this and the Burton films as separate versions of the franchise?

for me, good or bad, these films are all part of the Batman institution, so i dont mind one version borrowing some concepts from other versions, specially if they've proven to be classics. the Batman elipse is now a classic, it doesnt belong to the one guy who drew it on, it belongs now to the whole franchise. to me that's how i regard Elfman's Batman theme, it has transcended beyond its association with the Burton's franchise and is now simply THE Batman Theme.

But that's not how the filmmakers (nor the fans, if this thread is any accurate representation) regard it. Different cast. Different setting. Different origin. Different style. And already one successful movie with a different score.

Where is the logic in this? If you like Elfman's score that much, you can just pop a DVD in.

I like the Elfman theme too...in the film for which it was originally meant. Superman is different; Bryan Singer approached the film as a "spiritual successor" (in his words) to the Donner films. Nolan went as far from the Burton films as he possibly could. Just as he should have.

That train's already left the station.

[El Payaso]

No.

Elfman was great but this nolan bat-movies have so far its own style about things, like music and Begins had a great score so why Elfman again?

[batlovescatDC]

The only thing that I have a complaint about in this... it is not that the Danny Elfman wasn't used... but that it did not a create NEW defined theme for Batman. It was almost scored like a typical action movie would be, and that sincerely disappoints me. Having the two composers on the same film was a unique idea, but I think perhaps that it wasn't exactly the right call to make. I have heard some of Hans Zimmer's solo works, as well as some of James Newton Howard's, and I have come to the conclusion that Zimmer should be dropped and Howard kept on. James Newton Howard has composed some incredible scores and awesome themes. I realize this series is NEVER gonna be scored like the previous Batman franchise, and I like/appreciate the fact that EVERYTHING is going to be BRAND NEW... not just polished. But we, the fans, have waited for a definitive Batman franchise, which we have finally gotten, but it needs to come along with a great theme. That's all.

"Life's a *****... now, so am I!"
:batman:

[xwolverine2]

WHAT!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

batman begins should have gotten an oscar for their score!......

they will keep hanz and newton

[Doc Holliday]

They made a definitive theme, it just wasn't used very much in the movie.

It's "hummable" and all. Maybe they'll use it more in BB2.

[xwolverine2]

They made a definitive theme, it just wasn't used very much in the movie.

It's "hummable" and all. Maybe they'll use it more in BB2.
they played it enough for me to remember it......

batman forever however(hey that rhyms) played it during EVERY action scene and i got tired of it

[mcflytrap]

The only thing that I have a complaint about in this... it is not that the Danny Elfman wasn't used... but that it did not a create NEW defined theme for Batman. It was almost scored like a typical action movie would be, and that sincerely disappoints me. Having the two composers on the same film was a unique idea, but I think perhaps that it wasn't exactly the right call to make. I have heard some of Hans Zimmer's solo works, as well as some of James Newton Howard's, and I have come to the conclusion that Zimmer should be dropped and Howard kept on. James Newton Howard has composed some incredible scores and awesome themes. I realize this series is NEVER gonna be scored like the previous Batman franchise, and I like/appreciate the fact that EVERYTHING is going to be BRAND NEW... not just polished. But we, the fans, have waited for a definitive Batman franchise, which we have finally gotten, but it needs to come along with a great theme. That's all.

"Life's a *****... now, so am I!"
:batman:

BB wasn't scored at all like a typical action movie. You really should take a real listen and open your mind a bit. Just because there's no over-the-top theme doesn't mean it's just like every other movie. That's an extremely ignorant thing to say.

[xwolverine2]

am i the only one here who likes this score alot?.....better than the original danny elfman one?....

[Shoemeister]

Personally, I think the Elfman score is a classic. I'm sure the majority of the fans agree. Dark, triumphant and very memorable.

However, the score for Batman Begins is BEAUTIFUL. Honestly, it should have won every film music award in the book. It characterized every possible aspect of Batman's psyche in quite a broad yet nuanced fashion. I listen to that score a ton. Overall, I favor it more than Elfman's.

This franchise has a theme, it's there, but not obnoxiously or blatantly rubbed in your face. Sure, the blazing horns, cranked up strings and thunderous percussion are all there at times, but like Batman himself, the score is somewhat subdued in nature--- as though it's lurking in the shadows. It's doesn't need to announce itself, you just know it's there.

I look forward to hearing MUCH more in the sequels from Newton-Howard and Zimmer both. Remarkable stuff!

[mcflytrap]

am i the only one here who likes this score alot?.....better than the original danny elfman one?....

Nope. I prefer the BB one to anything Elfman has done. It's one of my favorite soundtracks.

[Borat]

Personally, I think the Elfman score is a classic. I'm sure the majority of the fans agree. Dark, triumphant and very memorable.

However, the score for Batman Begins is BEAUTIFUL. Honestly, it should have won every film music award in the book. It characterized every possible aspect of Batman's psyche in quite a broad yet nuanced fashion. I listen to that score a ton. Overall, I favor it more than Elfman's.

This franchise has a theme, it's there, but not obnoxiously or blatantly rubbed in your face. Sure, the blazing horns, cranked up strings and thunderous percussion are all there at times, but like Batman himself, the score is somewhat subdued in nature--- as though it's lurking in the shadows. It's doesn't need to announce itself, you just know it's there.

I look forward to hearing MUCH more in the sequels from Newton-Howard and Zimmer both. Remarkable stuff!Very well put man. :up:

[xwolverine2]

Nope. I prefer the BB one to anything Elfman has done. It's one of my favorite soundtracks.
thank you..

though i dont know about elfmans OTHER movies

[Saint]

The Begins score was fantastic. I particularly enjoyed how is was comprised of several themes that were bound by a unified tone. If Zimmer and JNH do not return, I will be extremely dissapointed. However, I would be acceptable--though unfortunate--if only JNH returned. Newton-Howard is my favourite composer.

[Savior]

I loved it. So much so that I dLed the entire score.

[Two-Face]

am i the only one here who likes this score alot?.....better than the original danny elfman one?....

I love the score and other themes on the soundtrack it's different Batman and different soundtrack.

Elfman's theme was great but I don't want something similiar as well. BRing back Zimmer and Howard for the sequel!

[Darkred]

One of the best things about BB along with Bale, Oldman, the tumbler and many more is the soundtrack.

[El Payaso]

BB score was truly great. But Elfman is a classic beyond any reasonable doubt.

[Compi716]

I LOVED the score! Especially the opening with the DC logo and the bats.

[ReptileOrion]

I felt that the score worked perfectly with the film. I am a huge fan of the Elfman score from back in the day but it just wouldn't fit well with Batman Begins. I consider the new Batman theme to be "Molossus" and I feel that it is on par with Elfman's Batman theme. Now you must admit you felt goosebumps when Bale when running along the hallways of Arkham with the new Batman theme....haha. The music fit perfectly with the Tumbler chase scene as well. :)

[JokerNick]

Elfman's score was awesome

[Fox]

I also preffered the BB score over Elfman's. Not to say I disliked Elfman's mind you, but I think Batman Begins pretty much nailed everything perfectly... including the score.

[The Chairman]

For me, the score was the least memorable aspect of the film. It's typical, boring background music that added nothing to the movie or heightened the drama of the action in any way. Newton-Howard and Zimmer may well be the most bland mainstream composers in the business. Zimmer's scores are often unmemorable, over the top and anti-climactic, and Newton-Howard did his best work when he was playing keyboards for Elton John back in the 1980s'.

Elfman's score blew their score out of the water. It's dark, haunting, triumphant, tragic and brooding, just like Batman. The score almost becomes part of the character's personality, much like, for example, the Indiana Jones theme (this can be said for most of John Williams' scores, if not all). The Begins score did not do that.

That being said, I'm not saying we should bring Elfman back for the sequel, but I do think there should be a stronger, more powerful score produced for the film. If that means ditching Zimmer and Newton-Howard, so be it.

[drunkhomer]

haha..this topic upsets me...lol....
i loved the bb score and elfmen's score wouldnt have suited nolan's batman...
but my opinion is hans zimmer is better then howard
i mean hans zimmer's resume gladiator(enough said), last samurai, black hawk down...and etc....

[Dark Knight]

the score was fine....and Howard and Zimmer have plenty of room to grow with the core for the sequel.

[FaT_tONle]

They should've used Elfman's score a little too... I was waiting for it throughout the film but it never came... I loved the scene where Batman dives off and then the music roles... it'll grow into me...

[IKnowSomeJudo]

It was scored like a typical bland Hans Zimmer score. Just listen to Da Vinci code, some parts are literally note for note same. I agree with the original poster, they should ditch Zimmer and keep Howard. Alan Silvestri would be beyond awesome as the head composer.

[Two-Face]

They should've used Elfman's score a little too... I was waiting for it throughout the film but it never came...

Nolan's Batman franchise NOTHING to do with Burton/Schumacher movies:o

The reason Singer used the Superman John Williams theme cos it continues with after the second Superman movie or after three which I'm not sure which is.

[IKnowSomeJudo]

Nolan's Batman franchise NOTHING to do with Burton/Schumacher movies:o
Neither does BTAS, but there it is, the Elfman theme. Not that I wanted to hear it in BB, anyway.

[BATFREDDIE]

i love the BB score...it is so awesome, I was convinced before I saw the movie that that would not impress me but it did, after i saw the movie i went out and bought it. :o

[MaKTheKnife]

For me the score was awesome in most places. I bought it a couple of months after i saw the film and it brought it all back for me! I say if possible, keep Howard and Zimmer on the project, just beef it up a notch and add a bit more emotion.

I cant wait to hear whatever creepy themes they come up with for the joker!!

[JTStarkiller]

Never.

With all of this talk about the movie, and how exciting it will be to finally get a new Batman film, I keep forgetting that I'll also get a new score out of this. According to iTunes, the BB score is the most played CD in my collection. I'm ready for some new material. :)

[7Hells]

I wouldnt mind hearing it when the Joker shows up.
It fits him, it could be his underscore.

[The Fallen]

The 89 score worked for the Burton movie. This is a new series and should not re-hash anything from the old stuff. I'm looking forward to see what Zimmer and Howard Newton will come up with for The Joker music wise, should be good IMO.

[Katsuro]

The 89 score worked for the Burton movie. This is a new series and should not re-hash anything from the old stuff. I'm looking forward to see what Zimmer and Howard Newton will come up with for The Joker music wise, should be good IMO.

So am I. I loved Scarecrow's music, when he was talking to Falcone in Arkham. So creepy and eerie, it completely fit the mood. I can't wait to see what music they give the Joker.

[mcflytrap]

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[Two-Face]

If you listen track 6 - Tardarida 1:11 mins around there you can hear kind of Joker music and I mean it fits Joker.

[Ronny Shade]

I'm fine with it not being included. As the standard talking point goes, BB may be too stylistically different than Elfman's music to fit like it fit with Burton's films. I wouldn't complain if Howard and Zimmer came up with a actual, humm-able theme for the BB2 though.

Although your idea of including just a few notes might be pretty good, but I'd need to hear an example or something to know for sure.
That's what I would say if I were in this thread early enough to say it.

I really like the Elfman theme If it were to be somehow included, I would not complain, but I'd rather the Begins franchise have it's own music/theme. Some of the other elfman music in the first two films felt a little over the top with orchestral excess, and that is something I don't want in these movies.

[JTStarkiller]

If you listen track 6 - Tardarida 1:11 mins around there you can hear kind of Joker music and I mean it fits Joker.

Yeah, you can really hear a laugh in there.

[JokerNick]

http://www.jimsteinman.com/dreampol.htm

(Vespers)Angels Arise/Graveyard Shift

official song for the batman Musical......

[y2jversion1]

BB was the first score-soundtrack that I actually shelled out money for. I farking love it.

Elfman's was great - but for a film that's supposed to be grounded in reality, I don't think Elfman's score would be effective since it's too (for lack of words) in your face.

[Eros]

Elfmans was a classic, i dun remeber the score to begins that well. It all sounded generic to me, i dun think the audeince got the feeling this guy is ****ing Batman, when they heard the Begins score. Elfmans scores is kind of like John williams scores, they always leave you remebering the movie you just saw. They need to liven it up so more for nolans sequel, i dun wanna fall asleep during the movie again.

[Castlewood]

Get rid of Hans Zimmer.

Keep James Newton Howard.

Anything that James Newton Howard might need help with....bring in Danny Elfman as a "creative consultant."