Poll: Should Tony be a Boozer?

[Gogo Bananas]

So should Tony Stark be a booze hound right from the get go, foreshadow it for sequels, or be squeaky clean?
I searched the forums for drunk and alcoholic, so if there's already a poll on this subject how 'bout not pooping your pants?

[Iron Man™]

Dude, Favs already said that Tony wasn't going to be alcohol in the first movie.

[Gogo Bananas]

Not asking what will be, I'm asking what people would prefer to see. And whether he's a full blown alcholic in the first movie has nothing to do with whether or not he'll be a drinker.
That and the fact that they're in pre-production and nothing is written in stone just yet.

[Drakon]

Nah, not til much later. It may alienate a lot of potential fans and parents from the movie. This way, if it's done in a sequel, at least we know it's a sidestory, and not the main story.

[Iron Man™]

Not asking what will be, I'm asking what people would prefer to see. And whether he's a full blown alcholic in the first movie has nothing to do with whether or not he'll be a drinker.
That and the fact that they're in pre-production and nothing is written in stone just yet.

Favs is saving the alcohol direction for a possible sequel. ;)

[Gogo Bananas]

I completely get wanting to save it for later, and I totally agree with the point about alienating parents/children.
However...
I love the Ultimates version of Tony Stark...an unapologetic drinker who actually sez "Who's gonna climb into that suit and do this crazy stuff sober?"
It kinda underscores the eccentric Howard Hughesishness of his character.

[Iron Man™]

I'm really glad he's going to be first exploring who the character is first, while creating the suit to save his own life. Jon really has expressed all the necessary base of the character, and just what he stood for when it came to his drinking problem. I think it's far better that the sequel would keep that instore.

[Drakon]

I do agree with that, too. It makes a lot of sense, too. If the movie were to get an "R" rating, then I could see it happening. Or, even film the footage, and set it aside for an uncut Director's Cut, ala Daredevil.

[Gogo Bananas]

See how in the FAQ Fav says he's laying the GROUNDWORK for it (It being alcholism)...he can't do that without having Tony drink.
Which means he simply swills a martini once or twice.
Or he can be seen sucking back quite a few throughout the movie without actually being loaded and screwing up in the armor.

[Iron Man™]

I do agree with that, too. It makes a lot of sense, too. If the movie were to get an "R" rating, then I could see it happening. Or, even film the footage, and set it aside for an uncut Director's Cut, ala Daredevil.

Yeah, it's the "R" rating that I don't want the film to have yet. Considering it's the first, I think people should get a good feel on Iron Man. Why he's decided to make the suit in the first place, what he's using it for, who he's using it against, etc. Maybe the could film some footage containing the drinking. I like the idea of having it on the D-Cut. But personally, if Jon wannted to give a sign that it'd be explored, he could just have a bottle sitting there on a table or something....

See how in the FAQ Fav says he's laying the GROUNDWORK for it (It being alcholism)...he can't do that without having Tony drink.
Which means he simply swills a martini once or twice.
Or he can be seen sucking back quite a few throughout the movie without actually being loaded and screwing up in the armor.

I'd like to see him order a drink kinda like a James Bond style. :D

[Drakon]

But personally, if Jon wannted to give a sign that it'd be explored, he could just have a bottle sitting there on a table or something....



Hell, that'd work for a PG-13 Theater cut right there.

[Iron Man™]

Hell, that'd work for a PG-13 Theater cut right there.

Exactomundo. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

No, show him drinking a bit but only to foreshadow a possible drinking problem in a sequel

[Drakon]

Exactomundo. :up:

Ironic how right after you said that, someone with a classic TMNT movie avatar posts.

[Hunter Rider]

Ironic how right after you said that, someone with a classic TMNT movie avatar posts.

Someone ? i thought we had something Drak:( :p

[Iron Man™]

No, show him drinking a bit but only to foreshadow a possible drinking problem in a sequel

Yeah, I can see that working. Just as long as it doesn't exceed to far. Favs really sounded like he already had the alcohol problem settled in his head, even though he isn't even done with the first film. :D

Ironic how right after you said that, someone with a classic TMNT movie avatar posts.

Also ironic that Michaelangalo happens to be my favorite turtle. :D

[Gogo Bananas]

Harry Osborn managed to get decently sloshed in SM2 without an R rating, Iron Man could do the same.
The other reason I'd like to see as much drinking ASAP is because it would seem less like they just pulled it outta their hats in a sequel (and sequels are by no means a gaurentee at this point).
Just like Harry Osborn developed in SM. Obviously neurotic in SM1, quite a bit moreso in SM2. If they hadn't taken the time to spare a few moments for his personality disorder in 1, it wouldn't have gone down so well in 2. It woulda seemed arbitrary.
And I'd like to avoid that for Iron Man.
Plus, Tony Stark is probably the numero uno flawed hero. What better way to drive home the irony of his Iron Man persona than by showing him to be anything but from the start.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I can see that working. Just as long as it doesn't exceed to far. Favs really sounded like he already had the alcohol problem settled in his head, even though he isn't even done with the first film. :D



Also ironic that Michaelangalo happens to be my favorite turtle. :D

So when you hit 300 posts are you going for a Mikey or Iron Man avvy ?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Iron Man™]

So when you hit 300 posts are you going for a Mikey or Iron Man avvy ?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Why not both? :D

Turtle fan fo life. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Why not both? :D

Turtle fan fo life. :up:

LOL,i could probably make ya a combined one:up:

[Iron Man™]

LOL,i could probably make ya a combined one:up:

I'll PM when I reach the posts required. After all you're the king of kings when it comes to avvys. :D

KAOWABUNGA!

[CaptainStacy]

I think he should have a drink or two in the movie, but only to forshadow a possible storyline in a future sequel.

[Iron Man™]

The first hasn't even come out yet, and I can't help but be excited for the sequel now. :D

[U.S War Machine]

He would loose his buffness

[Ironfan72]

Hint at it in the first film, but, its not relavent for a origin story.

[Casius--J]

I like the idea better of him being an alchoholic in a sequel, leaves room for an origin and creates a really good sequel as it takes the character in a new direction.

[terry78]

Why would being an alcoholic warrant an R rating? Many PG-13 flicks do it as we speak. I ain't a drinker personally, but even I feel they would be somewhat sugarcoating it. He's still a superhero, but if they show him overcoming it and still being able to save the day, I would think it would be fine for the kiddies to watch.

[Drakon]

Why would being an alcoholic warrant an R rating? Many PG-13 flicks do it as we speak. I ain't a drinker personally, but even I feel they would be somewhat sugarcoating it. He's still a superhero, but if they show him overcoming it and still being able to save the day, I would think it would be fine for the kiddies to watch.

Mild use of drugs and alcohol usually warrant a PG-13. But heavier usage, as well as the violence that's obviously gonna be in the movie together would probably warrant the "R" rating.

[Weadazoid]

I think they should show him drinking.... a bit, and in particular when he is stressed or trying to unwind.

After a business meeting some Scotch.... nothing but the best for Mr. Stark Johnny Walker Blue Label...

At the end of the movie he should be exhausted and when he gets home it should be the first thing he goes for

The movie may end on a depressing note if that happens though.... Him drinking alone in a dark room

but it would of course be great foreshadowing.



I don't get all the R rateing talk...becasue of showing a.... an alcoholic character drammas do that all the time on TV.... The OC comes to mind

[Spider - Man]

I think it should be hinted at. Not the problems he will develope from drinking, just that he does a lot of it.

I'd love a scene like from the Ultimates comic where just after climbing out of the armor, Jarvis approaches with a tray with a martini and a shaker. Someone says "For Gods sake, Stark, it's 10 a.m." to which he replies "Not in Moscow, old boy! Cheers!"

[Gogo Bananas]

I'd like to see them go the 'Rocky' route - where at the end...he's failed. Mr.Too-Cool-For-School Stark falling from his ivory tower.
That's something we don't really get to see in our heroes too much anymore.

[Leto Atrides]

I kind of like the idea Favreau seems to have; that is, to parallel the comics. He could start off the flawlwess hero in the first film, and start to run into problems as time goes by.

Personally, I think they should include him casually drinking, pouring a scotch for a meeting, that sort of thing. Not call it to attention, not foreshadow at all, but have it there. Then, when they show him having a problem in the future, it can be a progressive thing.

[TheVileOne]

Favreau has already confirmed that he won't be an alcoholic in this movie.

It's pretty awesome because his thoughts on the matter are the exact same as mine.

[Lone Wolf]

I like the idea of having the alcoholism forshadowed. For the first film, I want to see Favreau's vision of who Stark is exactly, and why he's made the armor in the first place. His alcohol problem wasn't until later in the comics. With that said, the first film should be his introduction to the people watching the film. Already Favreau mentioned it would possibly be one of the main factors, if he were to direct a sequel.

[Kaboom]

i think the drinking should also be hinted at, and begin for real in the sequel. My view of the movies...is
1- origin vs. mandarin, however the side story would be the theft of the iron man design, with the last scene being of "iron man" killing somebody important.

2- iron man feels the guilt of having his armor stolen, and iron man outfits mass produced and rather than doing something about it, drinks it away...allowing war machine to take up the cause. movie ends with war machines capture

3- redemption, iron man must save his friend and rid the world of his creations gone awry

[Lone Wolf]

I really think that the alcohol should only have a small effect in the first film. Not too big so that it's overdone, but just enough so that it gives vague hints that he DOES have a problem. Which would resolve for a sequel. The alcohol wasn't until years in his life, so I'm satisfied to hear that Favreau has realized that, and will give the character a proper introduction.

[Shadow_Knight]

I thin kthey should show him drinking a bit but only to foreshadow.

[Ironman24]

Not in the first movie, I mean show Tony drinking heavy in a screen and hint that there may be a problem down the line.