New Daredevil Arc Any Good? [Archive] - The SuperHeroHype Forums

Elijya

06-28-2006, 02:38 PM

Daredevil has been an amazing title for 8 years straight, it's worth getting all 80 odd issues of it

I just held a poll to see what everyones favorite Marvel Titles were here, and DD was tied for #1 and a good ways ahead of every other book

so yes: this story arc= Good. Everything before this story arc also = good, so you might want to go back a ways and catch up

MyPokerShirt

06-28-2006, 02:50 PM

who else was at #1?

Elijya

06-28-2006, 02:56 PM

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9322779#post9322779

MyPokerShirt

06-28-2006, 02:58 PM

ASM at 9

Dear God that book needs sortin
just replace it with FNSM and there would be no problems..

Rellings

06-28-2006, 02:59 PM

Elijya

06-28-2006, 03:12 PM

ok, Kevin Smith wrote #1-8. He relaunched the book, and got people interested in it again. It's a decent arc called "Guardian Devil"

#9-15 were by David Mack and were pretty cool, and arc called "Parts of a Hole" which introduced a new love interest for DD named Echo (both Smith and Mack's run are collected in Daredevil Hardcover vol 1)

#16-19 were a brilliant arc written by Bendis with art by Mack called "Wake up"

20-25 were fill ins, but ok

#26 is where things really start going. This began a saga written by Bendis which was drawn by Alex Maleev (extremely dark and moody tone to his work) that lasted until #81 (with a small 6 issue break in the middle by Mack again). This saga dealt with the fact that DD's identity was leaked to a newspaper who put it on their front page. DD counters this by public calling the allegation false. But in the meantime his life is a living hell. Everybody knows it's probably true, but if he admits it he'll go to jail.

This has just been one incredible crime saga, one of the best Marvel has ever produced without a doubt. It's worth owning all of these in Hardcover (cheaper, actually, too).

#26-81 are Collected in Daredevil Hardcover vol 2-5

Rellings

06-28-2006, 03:16 PM

Thanks for your help.

Elijya

06-28-2006, 03:20 PM

no prob :up:

Elijya

06-28-2006, 03:22 PM

and here's some of the gorgeous art from Maleev's run:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/21309752751.2.GIF
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Rellings

06-28-2006, 04:12 PM

Ya, the art is what really got me to inquire about it. Looks like I will be going to pick up the first few issues at my local comic store tomorrow.

Rellings

06-29-2006, 11:58 AM

Just stopped by a little comic shop in town that just opened looking for the first couple Daredevil issues, and I was shocked by the pricing. Volume 2 back-issues that started in '98 are priced at five to over six dollars, more then what the comic even say's on it. Guess the shops can sell at whatever price they want with the past issues. I guess the big books with the full arc are they way to go, although those are priced at about $25 Canadian. Im gunna try a couple citys over where there are bigger stores. Also online might be good if I don't get murdered by shipping. Any Canadians specifically that live in Ontario, have any advice on where to shop? Also anyone order online where shipping is not muder?

Elijya

06-29-2006, 12:17 PM

oh, so you're new to back issues, eh? yeah, when books are a couple years old (hell, even a couple of months old) and they're really good and highly sought after, their prices go up.

Books from about 1980-1996 are cheap, because so many were being produced. Comics were selling well, stores were making money, and collectors were buying multiple copies because they thought the books would be worth alot some day. Then the market collapsed and sales plummeted. Many stores went out of business, and many collectors unloaded their books.

So today there's something in the region of 250,000 regular comic collectors. But books from 1980-1996 were produced in extremely high numbers, 250,000 copies each, easily. Some books have millions. But how many of the current 250K people are interested in any one of those books now? maybe 50k? so there's enough for everyone who wants one to have 5 copies of a book. Therefore, the supply far excedes the demand, and those books are worth next to nothing.

Following that, in order to make money, everyone had to play things close to the belt, and only about as many copies of the book were to be sold could be produced. A book like Daredevil 1998 sold maybe 50,000 copies, let's say, but then word of mouth spread about how good it was and maybe 60 or 70,000 people wanted to own them. Now there's more demand then supply, so prices go up.

The big books ARE the way to go. Keep in mind that though they're priced at $25 canadian, you're getting many 12 or so issue that average out to around $2 apeice, so it's far cheaper. Buying the originals is something for collectors, buying the collected editions is for readers. Some of us do both, but right now I think you're probably most interested in READING, right? so yeah, get the collected editions.

Rellings

06-29-2006, 12:37 PM

WOLVERINE25TH

06-29-2006, 01:37 PM

It's right after Magneto ripped out his adamantium in X-Men #25 & Wolverine #75. He went on the road to find himself after discoverin' he was born with his claws.

Elijya

06-29-2006, 03:00 PM

I'm new to everything comic related at the moment. Thanks for the history, I just thought It was the shop owners selling at the prices they felt like. So I will probably go get the Daredevil Volume 1: Guardian Devil.

On another note: I just went through the few comics I bought about 8 years ago at a flea market, and found some Avengers/X-Men crossover arc called Bloodties. Oddly I bought the complete 5 issues of it, and I really didn't enjoy it at all. The first page say's something along the lines of Wolverine just having left the X-Men.

EDIT: Also I see that Amazon.ca has Daredevil Volume 1: Guardian Devil for $12 with $3.95 shipping. Looks good to me.
yeah, the quality of comics was not very good in the early 90s, there are few exceptions, and Bloodties was certainly not one of them

no, the prices on the older comics at the shop are determined by price guides which give estimates of what books are selling for. Comic shop owners look for what the books list in the price guides (there are a few different ones - Overstreet, Wizard - they may have preferences for which one they trust) and then they'll grade the books (because defects lower the price) and then they may add a small amount because they think the guide is under priced and they can probably get someone to buy it for a little more, or lower the price a little because they'd rather get the book out of the store sooner which'll happen more easily if the price is lower. It's up to the shops individually, but it is based on a national standard. Yeah, a store could slap a $10 price tag on any book, but if a price guide says it's only worth $3, no one's going to buy it.

J.R.

06-29-2006, 03:28 PM

This is the best Marvel book on the shelf right now in my opinion.

Ex11B

06-29-2006, 07:12 PM

Haven't read it..yet.

Dirtfish

07-01-2006, 09:05 AM

I'm kinda new to Daredevil but I am an avid fan of Kevin Smith. I want to purchase one of Smith's Daredevil novels but dont know which one to buy.

I'd be grateful of any opinions on the two options:

Daredevil: Guardian Devil V1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785107371/026-0204171-3837208?v=glance&n=266239

or

Daredevil: Man Without Fear
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785110151/026-0204171-3837208?v=glance&n=266239

Cheers.

Red

07-01-2006, 09:10 AM

Go with Man Without Fear.

Or better yet get Bendis's run.

Elijya

07-01-2006, 09:19 AM

Smith didn't write Man Without Fear, Frank Miller did.

In any case, they're both good books and both worth reading. Daredevil is one of Marvels best characters, and lots of creators have done amazing things with him. He's easily the comics chartacter with the largest ratio of quality stories, IMO, even moreso than Batman or Spider-Man.

Here, I'll merge this with another thread where another new reader was asking about DD yesterday

Dirtfish

07-02-2006, 09:13 AM

Darthphere

07-02-2006, 09:29 AM

You say Kevin Smith didnt write Man Without Fear but Amazon claim Smith did. And when you look at the cover picture it clearly says Smith.

Maybe you are confused?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785110151/026-0204171-3837208?v=glance&n=266239

No, hes right. Daredevil's full title is Daredevil:The Man Without Fear, its on every comic, like The Invincible Iron Man. Kevin SMith wrote Guardian Devil, which was an arc on Daredevil:The Man Without Fear.

Elijya

07-02-2006, 02:38 PM

"The Man without Fear" is the unoffical subitle for the Daredevil comic, always has been. It's like "Avengers, Earth's Mightiest Heroes" IS THE TITLE, but there's also a SPECIFIC STORY entitled "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes"

There is a SPECIFIC Daredevil Story called "The Man Without Fear" which was written by Frank Miller

The book you linked to contains Kevin Smith's run on DD which was entitled "Guardian Devil", and another arc by David Mack entitled "Parts of a Hole". Both of these stories are available seperately in softcovers, but here they are collected into a hardcover, and the Hardcover is entitled "Daredevil The Man Without Fear Hardcover vol 1" because that's the name of the Daredevil series, not the specific stories.

Here, see, the book has had the subtitle "The Man without Fear" from issue #1

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/21267019774.1.gif

but here's Frank Miller's story entitled "The Man Without Fear"
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/21325083508.1.4TH.PRINT.gif

Sorry it's so confusing

Dirtfish

07-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry if I sound a bit green like I said before I'm only just getting into comics. I'm more of a movie buff and so far I've read mostly comics by movie guys like Joss Whedon (Astonishing X-Men) and Kevin Smith (Spider-Man & Blackcat). I will get Smith's Daredevil and I also recently picked up his Green Arrow.

Any other reccomendations? I was thinking about branching out into Fantastic Four or maybe Iron Man.

Elijya

07-02-2006, 03:01 PM

oh, his Green Arrow is excellent. :up:

I'm glad you've taken an interest, it's always good to see people getting into the hobby. I know there's lots of confusing stuff out there (this "man without fear" business being one of the LEAST complicated things I could explain to you ;) ) but I hope it doesn't scare you off, and I can point you in the direction of some stuff that will truly blow you away

Exploding Boy

07-02-2006, 03:07 PM

I have a question regarding Daredevil. I just started reading "Daredevil: The Man Without Fear!". My friend has 5 volumes of it. Is this the main DD book? Are there any others? I also read Frank Millers take on DD's orgin, that was an amazing read :up:

Elijya

07-02-2006, 03:15 PM

Daredevil has only ever had one ongoing main title, and the books your friend has are collected editions of stories from it.

Over the years, Daredevil has also had many miniseries that were published seperate from the ongoing. Many of these are quit good and worth looking into. Some of these you might want to check out are

Daredevil: The Man Without Fear - (DD's Origin story)
Daredevil: Yellow - (DD reflects back on his early career and his first love)
Daredevil: Redemption - (just a really well done stand alone story where he defends an accused teenaged murderer in the south)

Exploding Boy

07-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I'll look into those books, I'm really enjoying Daredevil

Elijya

07-02-2006, 03:30 PM

IMO, Daredevil is Marvel's greatest character. And I'm not just saying that because he's my favorite, I like almost every character. His DC counterpart is Green Arrow. Both heroes are Classic characters for the companies... but they're not QUITE as big as the others.

Think about it, when you list who are Marvel and DC's most important/popular/recognized/whatever characters, the DC list goes Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman... And the Marvel List goes Spider-Man, Hulk, Captaina America....

Where do GA and DD come in? Like, 10th place? 12th? ok, so in universes which contain literally THOUSANDS of characters, they're pretty high up. But they're not the big boys.

and that's a good thing.

The characters right at the top? They're limited. There are things you just aren't supposed to do with Superman or Spider-Man. They just feel wrong, and if you do em you end up pissing off fans. But GA and DD? You're free. You can literally do WHATEVER you want to those two characters, and nobody will be mad because you're telling a good story. But do it to Batman or Captain America, and people whine and whine.

With DD and GA, you're free. And writers like that, they like that freedom, to literally be able to do whatever they want with those characters, to truly tell the stories they want to tell. And that has led to dozens of incredible creators coming to these characters and telling their best god damn stories.

Exploding Boy

07-02-2006, 03:41 PM

Very true :up: There is just something about the writing in Daredevil that is different(way better) than other comics. He's not really even a Superhero In my opinion. One thing I love about the comics how they never really explain his powers that much. In Xmen, whenever you someone uses their powers the writer always adds some little facts about the power. But with DD his story isin't based on his powers, it's about his vendettas and personal story

Elijya

07-02-2006, 03:44 PM

I can not recommend enough that anyone who likes Daredevil get the DVD. not the Directors cut, the original two disk one.

Even if you hated the movie, it's worth it for the special feature "The Men Without Fear: Creating 'Daredevil' ". It's a documentary where they sit down with a whole bunch of people who have worked on DD and just let them talk about him for 15 minutes each. You hear from Stan Lee, John Romita, JRjr, Frank Miller, Bendis, Quesada, Smith, Mack, and Gene Colan. It's golden.

Ben Urich

07-02-2006, 08:17 PM

Yeah I bought the Director's Cut and was ****ing pissed that the MWF doc wasn't included. Now I have to buy the ****ing theatrical cut again. :mad:

Not Jake

07-02-2006, 08:23 PM

Elijya is right, DD is the best-written superhero in any company's camp overall. Seriously, the 80s were full of Frank Miller gold, and the 90s had Man Without Fear and Guardian Devil, and the 00s have Bendis & Brubaker's stuff

how are you gonna compete with that? I guess Flash has had some pretty solid stuff over the same time period but I wouldn't know, I haven't read any but I hear things. Batman has had a lot of good stuff over the last 20 years too but I don't think it competes with DD's fantastic catalogue of stories

Roy Harper

07-02-2006, 09:44 PM

Yep, I'm enjoying the current DD arc. Can't wait to see who this new one is though.

boygeek

07-02-2006, 09:58 PM

Guys thanks for this. All this discussion has gotten me curious and not so skeptical about daredevil anymore.

I never bought a single issue ever. The stuff you said about the popular characters are so true. I've been readin spiderman and also used to read superman for years. I still like spidey, but feel that its too limited. I really like hellblazer and i think form what was said that i'd like daredevil. Story driven and not ability or special powers driven.

Gonna visit my comic shop next week, and later pick up the older ones in softcover... your views has given me a sense of realism of this character.

Dirtfish

07-03-2006, 05:19 AM

So I'm just wondering, how do movie guys like Kevin Smith and Joss Whedon perform in the comic book world?

I love their work but how do comic book fans rate their efforts?

UK_Stu

07-03-2006, 05:33 AM

So I'm just wondering, how do movie guys like Kevin Smith and Joss Whedon perform in the comic book world?

I love their work but how do comic book fans rate their efforts?

Pretty well on the whole, but like most writers some are hit and miss.
I like Smith's and Whedon's comics - unfortunately Smith doesn't seem to be able to dedicate enough time to comics to do himself justice.

JMS - good on some titles, not so good on others, I'm still reserving Judgement On Reggie Hudlin's work

Cypocalypse

07-03-2006, 09:25 AM

I've been essentially an X-Men reader for the most of my comic book reading years (early nineties up to the present).

Right now, I'm spending more on comic more than at any point in my life. Being X-Men centric prevented me from looking at other titles because of financial considerations.

I'm buying comic books left and right (especially hardcovers). Especially when Marvel introduced the concept of hardcovers, I bought the entire Morrison stint on NXM and now I just bought the new HC of Wehdon's Astonishing X-Men.

But I guess I miss the 90s X-books where there are more character introspection issues. There are issues that focuses on the character instead of just a showcase of artists' work by giving us larger panels, less dialogue, basically less stories in my opinion that are seemed too much designed to fit on a 6-issue or 12-issue arc (which is what we're seeing these days).

To be honest, I'm a great fan of the Daredevil movie, despite what the critics say and I've always wanted to make it a starting point in buying a Daredevil book but I guess I don't want to spend that much money.

But with my current level of maturity and my outlook in life, I guess superhero comics seem to appeal less and I'm starting to embrace comic books that covers personal issues. It doesn't necessarily mean though that I'll automatically leave the superhero genre. I just want something right now that's not designed for marketing considerations, stories that have more real-life issues (possibly reflect my current, quite depressed state of mind), a better philosophical content, without leaving the superhero adventures 100%.

Somehow, Daredevil (of Bendis), fits the bill.

Is it too late to catch up? Are the hardcovers still accessible?

Elijya

07-03-2006, 09:26 AM

Smith's comics haven't let me down yet (except for Spidey/Black cat, which I didn't care for), and Whedon and JMS are pretty solid, too. They're all really GOOD writers, but I don't know if I'd call them great compared to some guys out there.

Elijya

07-03-2006, 09:47 AM

Cypoc, the Hardcovers are a MUST!

here, lemme merge this with a thread where we're already discussing DD with some other new readers. Read through and you'll get most of your answer, I think

GNR

07-03-2006, 09:49 AM

Bendis' DD was one of Marvel's best books in recent years.

GNR

07-03-2006, 09:51 AM

Pretty well on the whole, but like most writers some are hit and miss.
I like Smith's and Whedon's comics - unfortunately Smith doesn't seem to be able to dedicate enough time to comics to do himself justice.

JMS - good on some titles, not so good on others, I'm still reserving Judgement On Reggie Hudlin's work

Hudlin has a real knack for comedy,romance,and all around light heartedness in his style.

I think all the TV writers have their distinct style.

Darthphere

07-03-2006, 09:54 AM

GNR

07-03-2006, 09:58 AM

Hudlin has a real knack for writing people out of character and can only write comics if he can "reboot" them into his youre straight trippin boo style. BP isnt House Party, sorry. His Spider-Man sucked hard as well.

Yes,his Spidey sucked.

That whole "tripping boo" line was completely taken out of context.It was in quotes and I believe it was a HOM tie-in?

That was 10 issues ago as well.Whenever ppl trash the book,they always go back to that example.Ask them to point out anything wrong with the book since #10 besides the Wedding being "sucky" and a terrorist getting fried by one of Storm's lightning bolts by sticking his gun in the air.

Elijya

07-03-2006, 10:06 AM

well I'm all for it in theory, can you guys bash Hudlin elsewhere?

Darthphere

07-03-2006, 10:06 AM

Yes,his Spidey sucked.

That whole "tripping boo" line was completely taken out of context.It was in quotes and I believe it was a HOM tie-in?

That was 10 issues ago as well.Whenever ppl trash the book,they always go back to that example.Ask them to point out anything wrong with the book since #10 besides the Wedding being "sucky" and a terrorist getting fried by one of Storm's lightning bolts by sticking his gun in the air.

I like this counter argument. Tell me whats wrong with this book, BESIDES throw out laundry list and pretty much remove all your arguments. Its a pretty good strategy in debates. Let me add one more Storm's parents beating up on those same terrorists. Thats a nice touch.