Best Superman Movie

[aroundthefur33]

:supes: this is for those who have seen the brilliant superman returns...what do you think is the best of the series...

[aroundthefur33]

oh i and i realize that superman returns takes place after 2, and that 3 and 4 are gone...maybe it is earth 2...lol

[The Caped Knight]

[1] SUPERMAN : The movie

(2) SUPERMAN RETURNS

{3} SUPERMAN II

[Borat]

Man I just can't pick. I guess STM was the best for its time, and SR is the best for today. That's the best I can do. :O

[Ben Urich]

Definitely the original.
Superman II had better villains but too many things just didn't make sense.
The cellophane S-Shield
Zod and co. being able to point at objects and levitate them
Superman and the villains going invisible in the Fortress
Superman's line "We used to play this game at school." On Krypton? That blew up.

[Spider-Fan]

Easily Superman: The Movie, though it had an ending that both makes zero sense or works. Superman II was good, but not great. Same with Superman Returns. I have many problems with those two movies. Superman III and Superman IV were just awful.

[SFII]

Superman 2 is the best in my opinion.
but Superman Returns is really great too.
but then again Superman 1, 2, and Superman Returns are all on par with greatness. just as Bryan Singer had planned.

i even like Superman 3 as well, actually. but i hated Superman 4. so awful.

[Up Up & Oy Vey!]

Superman 4 was cute. SR and STM were better, but if I don't vote for it who will?

[WhiteRat]

Well I cant put in a vote because Superman the movie and superman 2 are Still my favorite comicbook movies of all time and I like them both equally as much as the other.I am sure others feel the same way so you should have been in a option of BOTH Superman the movie and superman 2.

[LongDong]

1. Superman The Movie
2. Superman 2
3. Superman 3
4. Superman 4
5. Superman Braniac Attacks
6. Superman Returns

Yes, Superman Returns was that bad

[JTStarkiller]

You're entitled to your own opinion and all. It's cool with me. But SR worse than 3 and 4? I'll never understand that.

Mine's a tossup between The Movie and Returns. Overall I'd say I love The Movie more, but Returns fixes some things that The Movie got wrong.

[Iron-Man]

SUPERMAN RETURNS for me.

[CConn]

Superman Returns.

For me, it was very much in the same style of STM or SII, but lacking most of the camp and illogicalities those early films suffered from.

[Mr. Walters]

The cellophane S-Shield

Yeah, what the hell was that?

Anyway I go with Superman: The Movie

[theBat-Man]

None of the above.
My favourite Superman film is Superman and the Mole Men from 1951.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/supsatmm-1s.jpg

[Thot]

43% in favor of Superman Returns? What are you guys smoking? SR crapped all over the Superman mythos and deservedly is being rejected by the general public. With all that was just plain wrong about SR it's hard to parse out what was right. Not much. Superman: The Movie is VASTLY superior. Just watched it again the other night (LOVE the restored scenes!)
No comparison whatsoever. STM is movie making brilliance and Reeve embodied in every way exactly how the Man of Steel should be portrayed.

[Xybalba69]

The cellophane S-Shield
Zod and co. being able to point at objects and levitate them
Superman and the villains going invisible in the Fortress
Superman's line "We used to play this game at school." On Krypton? That blew up.


i vote for S:TM as best of all time still today...
then S:2...
then S:R...
then S:3...
then S:4...

and i take the cellophane S-shields as an example of kryptonian technology...

the levitation part as maybe powers they would be able to have,even Supes, but never developed...

the power of being able to vanish in the FOS...another display of kryptonian technology using the crystals...

the line..."we used to"...is really the one thing that is waayyy out of line, taken that we all know that Supes was sent from Krypton before exploding, thus never having the chance to go to school there...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, I actually think SR is just a hair better than STM.

[silentflute]

Superman The Movie
Superman Returns
Superman II

[Thot]

1. Superman:The Movie
2. Superman II
3. Any episode of the Reeves TV series.
4. Superman III
5. Superman Returns (barely...)

[Super Kal]

I have not yet seen my favorite Superman movie yet...

[Zor-El]

Superman Returns.

For me, it was very much in the same style of STM or SII, but lacking most of the camp and illogicalities those early films suffered from.
Same for me.
Your avatar rocks, btw :up:

[Lead Cenobite]

Superman: The Movie is the best for me, with Superman Returns possibly ahead of Superman II, though I could change my mind.

[buggs0268]

Superman the movie.

[Superman Prime]

I dunno, I actually think SR is just a hair better than STM.

I'm the opposite. I think Superman: The Movie was a hair better than Superman Returns.

[Spade]

For me it will always be Superman: The Movie. When I was young it really accomplished it's mission in making me believe a man could fly on the big screen.

[AmazinUncleBen]

Do the first three episodes of the animated series count as a movie, cause that was pretty well done and although I prefer Superman: The Movie over it, I'm sure some people on here would vote for it.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Superman II

[The Chairman]

Superman II, with Superman Returns running a close second.

[aroundthefur33]

None of the above.
My favourite Superman film is Superman and the Mole Men from 1951.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/supsatmm-1s.jpg

yeah forgot to add that one...

[antonydelfini]

I think superman the movie was the most influential of all. Superman 2 was fun but is too campy and sloppy in many parts. Superman returns takes it for me, because of its size, its maturity and seriousness, the respect they gave this character, the flawless effects (i finally saw superman saving the world without looking awkward), the complexity of the way this film was directed, you see passion and hardwork in every shot. The casting was not as memorable though (except for spacey).

[Superbaty77]

Well if you ask me Returns was a Requel (Remake & a Sequel) of Superman the movie and no where close to being as good. Returns dosnt have the magic & the sense of wonder the original had. I say Superman the movie was a hell alot better then Retuns.

[ReeveFan1978]

Superman 1 and 2 are pretty much a tie for me.

I havent decided where SR will fit in. I need to see it a few more times. The movie was filmed dark..and some brutal scenes I personally didnt like.

I didnt like Lois by Bosworth at all. The little kid was adorable but they've painted themselves into a corner with him.

So maybe I'll have to vote SR as better than 3 and 4..but 3 and 4 had more stand up and cheer moments.

The only stand up and cheer moments in SR was the airplane and then when he saved Lois and family on the boat. The rest of his patrolling the world was done in a quick montage. I would have preferred to see more of that.

EL

[Spoarz™]

I voted for Superman The Movie, which is just an absolute classic. It tells the origin story perfectly and gets so many aspects to the film just right.

I love Superman II almost as much, and even though Superman III and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace are heavily flawed in places, I still enjoy them thanks to Christopher Reeve's wonderful performances.

I'm a big fan of Superman Returns, which I enjoyed immensely. Brandon Routh was just awesome.

[XCharlieX]

Hers the deal, i prefer a more serous slant to my films and thats my favorite style, so Id have to go with Superman Returns.

But the Chris Reeve ones were like action comedies to me. Fun. My second fav would have to be the original 78 Superman. That had the most story of the older films, especially the first half up to when Superman leaves the fortress after being taught for years by Jorel. I think Donner did a great job of setting up everything.

[captain_jimbo]

I voted for Superman The Movie, which is just an absolute classic. It tells the origin story perfectly and gets so many aspects to the film just right.

I love Superman II almost as much, and even though Superman III and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace are heavily flawed in places, I still enjoy them thanks to Christopher Reeve's wonderful performances.

I'm a big fan of Superman Returns, which I enjoyed immensely. Brandon Routh was just awesome.

Brilliantly put!:up:

[Mr.Census]

4 people voted for superman IV?!:eek:

[nite-owl]

Superman the movie.

[Superman]

For me it's a tie between STM and Returns.

[BatFitz]

I think there's a paradox with Superman: The Movie and Superman II. When people see Donner's SII, there could be a switch to everyone liking that. However, you need to remember that STM and SII are seamlessly branched in storyline (much like Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2). So in retrospect they are the same movie.

[captain_jimbo]

I think Superman II just wins it, because it's the one I used to watch all the time as a kid, and it brings back the most memories. :)

[ReeveFan1978]

I think maybe Im partial to II because we see a little more of Superman than in the first one.
But the first one is so dramatic. When he first switches to Superman after NOT finding a whole phone booth--
catches the helcopter

Those other saves like Airforce 1

The leap out the window when he hears Luthor's whistle and then flying around the buildings. I love the flying scenes.

And that whole diseased maniac scene in Luthor's lair. Awesome!!!

EL

http://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/chris.jpg (Not linked)

[Spoarz™]

But the first one is so dramatic. When he first switches to Superman after NOT finding a whole phone booth--
catches the helcopter

Those other saves like Airforce 1

The leap out the window when he hears Luthor's whistle and then flying around the buildings. I love the flying scenes.

And that whole diseased maniac scene in Luthor's lair. Awesome!!!


Hell yeah, that's why I voted for Superman The Movie. It has such a wonderful epic quality to it.

The double jeopardy sequence with the helicopter isn't just one of the best moments in a comic book movie, I think it stands as one of the greatest scenes in cinema history. :supes:

"Say Jim, whooo, that's a baaad outfit!" Love it :D

[captain_jimbo]

I think maybe Im partial to II because we see a little more of Superman than in the first one.
But the first one is so dramatic. When he first switches to Superman after NOT finding a whole phone booth--
catches the helcopter

Those other saves like Airforce 1

The leap out the window when he hears Luthor's whistle and then flying around the buildings. I love the flying scenes.

And that whole diseased maniac scene in Luthor's lair. Awesome!!!

EL

http://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/chris.jpg (Not linked)

I know I love both The Movie and II, I always have trouble deciding which one I like more. But I voted for II because it's the one I watched most as a kid and the one that brings back most memories. Plus it shows what happened in Superman: The Movie during the opening credits, which I love.

[ReeveFan1978]

There certainly is an epic quality to STM. It's a classic.

http://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/loisavatar.jpg

EL

[Superbaty77]

Well if you ask me Returns was souless joyless movie. Superman 1&2 were full of magic and wonder. Sure it might look cheesy today. But if you want to see Pure Cheese try the 1966 Batman Series or the 70's Wonder women Series. Now that was Cheesy. Sure maybe Luther and gang where. But i dont find anything Chessy about Chris Reeve as Superman. Hell Dean Cain was more chessy as Superman then Reeve was. Even tho i think he did a good job as Clark Kent. Sure Reeve's Clark Kent was a little bit silly. But it work for him and gave the audience a good reason why nobody connected the dots. I mean who the hell would think that Clark Kent was Superman. Either way i wouldnt say that Reeve was doing Slap Stick. Ever watch the Three stooges. Thats Slap Stick. In my opinion Routh was as woodin as a stick. I didnt find anything excellent, amazing or outstanding about him. Sure he looks & sounds like Reeve. But is just not enough for me. Superman the movie is the best Superman movie and far better made then Returns ever was.

[captain_jimbo]

Well I actually liked Superman Returns, but yeah I definitely think Superman: The Movie is better and I agree with just about everything you said. :)

Although I do like Routh.

[Bat Attack]

Superman: The Movie

[Lex Luthor]

I suppose I'll choose S:TM, as far as live action goes.

Although the Superman animated movie by Timm and company is my favourite Superman movie.

[melfangiel]

Superman: The Movie

[captain_jimbo]

I personally liked Superman Returns, not as much as the Christopher Reeve movies, but still I thought it was great. But I've heard so much criticism of it, I'm suprised that it's doing so well.

[Secret_Riddle]

the first 4 were before my time and while i respect and appreciate the first 2 its kind of hard for them to wow me since there dated now. i imagine if i had seen superman the movie or superman 2 back when they came out my answer would be different but as of right now i say superman returns is best. i loved it.

[The Kid]

STM without a doubt. WHAT WOULD SUPERMAN RETURNS BE WITHOUT IT.

The wannabe, SR, ain't got nothin on it my earth friends. It's really slightly above superman III on my list. No that's too harsh, maybe slightly below II. Come on, think about the boring action scenes besides the plane rescue, and reliance on stm to manipulate people's nostalgia to garner reactions from brutal beatings and it's vague story that hopes we already have some way of caring for these people. It's a messy mix. The only part worth the trip to the movies was his kid Jason. Lex and his stupid plan was worse than Dr. Evil's... he was a big bore... again... after being foiled by superman in Superman IV. Otis and the glossed over Kryptonite explanation aside, the first is still the best.

Wesyeed out - love and kisses

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Superman: The Movie but the Lois & Clark pilot beats them all.

[ShadowBoxing]

Superman: Man of Steel by Alex Ford.

[Spade]

Superman: Man of Steel by Alex Ford.

Wow. Haven't seen someone post this one yet. Most people, sadly, disdain the unproduced scripts. :(

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow. Haven't seen someone post this one yet. Most people, sadly, disdain the unproduced scripts. :(Most people haven't read them. However they disdain them with somewhat good reason, because most of them suck hard. Even Kevin Smiths, which is the best of the crap, was so riddled with producer input it's sad.

However Ford's is merely a fan script, and a restart to some extents (origin abscent though).

It is brillant in how it portrays Superman, Lois and Lex. Plus it makes several references to mainstream DCU, and with the exception of Diana's appearance IMO, all of them could make it to the big screen.

[Malone]

Superman 2 was my favorite.

[ReeveFan1978]

HI

I do love the Lois and Clark pilot. But not more than STM

The flying in STM blows me away everytime I watch it. And flying is pretty much what Superman is all about--what separates him from most other super heroes.

I dont like cg superman--I want to see the man fly!!! (even when the cg is done well like SR)

But the L&C plot and the performances was some of the best programming tv has ever offered. Probably the last great tv show. IMHO. (I know there are dissenters..:) )


ELhttp://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/chrisgc.jpg

"Once a girl's seen Superman in action, Niagara Falls kinda leaves you cold."

Superman: The Movie but the Lois & Clark pilot beats them all.

[OzzMosiz]

Superman The Movie.

As a kid I watched Superman II the most, but I find its kinda dated more than Superman The Movie - Especially the Tin Foil Space craft :) - it kinda drags a bit with the whole Lex escaping from prison too, and I dont like the comedic elements added by Lester.

[KaptainKrypton]

It's close, but STM edges out SR for me. Both films have their flaws, but Reeve is just so damn unbeatable in the film. He's so good in the role he makes me forgive the "Can You Read My Mind" sequence at times.

[Hulkzilla]

My preference goes towards Superman II
But the first one comes a CLOSE 2nd

[lordofthenerds]

Superman Returns.

[bunk]

STM will always have a special place in my heart. I've seen the movie more times then myself in the mirror. However STM just takes too many liberties and is not not as true to comics as SR (at least the more current comics). The campyness is great in it's own way but it's just not how I roll nowadays. Aside from the child in SR they didn't screw with the mythos as much. It was only gonna be a matter of time before we saw a child in the comics anyway now that they've been married a while. The only thing that makes me want to bite my tongue is Chris Reeve. If only he could be in SR. In the end it's not about what movie is best, it's about each of us, and what we want from Superman.

[Arkady Rossovich]

43% in favor of Superman Returns? What are you guys smoking?

STM is movie making brilliance and Reeve embodied in every way exactly how the Man of Steel should be portrayed.

Indeed,i also agree.I guess young kids are voting on the poll who have never seen a real Superman movie...

[Rob-el]

1 - Superman :The Movie
2 - Superman II
3 - Superman Returns
4 - Superman IV:The Quest For Peace
5 - Superman III

STM for a die hard fan I feel is still tops by a long shot. I do feel that for a non-fan, average Joe Blow Superman II may be a more accessable movie as its more just straight forward fun and action whereas STM has the Krypton and Smallville set up that many movie goers may not appreciate as much as a true Superman fan.

Superman Returns had some really good stuff in it but it still lacked something. I describe it as a good movie - not a great movie but one with some missed opportunities. I won't get into the kid!

I've always tried to like 3 & 4 and once a year I pop them on hoping to catch them in the right frame of mind to actually enjoy them - it hasn't happened yet unfortunately. I take IV over III just because I feeel they were trying to tell a decent story that just got screwed by the producers cheap take on the movie where as III was what it set out to be and that was plain bad comedy.

I will be very interested to see where Superman II: The Donner Cut places!

Oh and by the way - everyone has to get over the celeophane "S" from II. Its just some Kryptonian weapon, not a new power like the teleportion beam finger or mortor vision!

[mjbull23]

I still have to place STM at the top of the list, I think that movie came as close to capturing the essence of Superman's character as any movie ever has. I would have liked to have seen Donner explain more of the dynamics of young clark's relationship to Pa Kent. Still an incredible movie.

Now, Superman returns leapfrogged Superman II into the number two slot. I think that while Superman II has the action, Returns does a better job of teling it's story better, (even if Superman II's story is more exciting) and that makes it more intriguing to watch.

Now, if I were 13 or 14, there's no question, that Superman II would be at the top of my list. I still love watching that movie as an adult, I just wish it would have aged better.

Superman 3 and 4... I try not to think about too much.

[nogster]

Superman Returns.

For me, it was very much in the same style of STM or SII, but lacking most of the camp and illogicalities those early films suffered from.

agree with your "camp" comment. but certainly not your illogicalities comment.
thats why SR was so dissapointing to me. that and piano boy.
its filled with silly plot devices that are illogical and contradictory to the film itself.
clark being away for 5 years and being able to instantly get his old job back.
lexs bone headed land plot. there is no logic to that scheme. an ugly kryptonite island that destroys half the usa, the ultimate terrorist act
aand lex thinks that people will buy it off him???
the 2nd reason that lex made the island was because supes would be helpless to stop him as he is powerless on it. yeah right. so powerless that he was able to actually lift this entire kryptonite island into space with a pure kryptonite shard in him......???yeah. real logical that is. and a total contradiction as he was helpless on that same island only moments before....
and the fact that superman lifting this massive island out of the ocean wouldve caused the mother of all tidal waves which wouldve washed metropolis away.....
i see plenty of illogicalities.
some people can overlook these. some cant. doesnt mean they are not there.

the film was a reimagining of the 1st movie with a child thrown in.
[bryan singers homage to his own adoption i would say].
my god.:wow: singer thinks he is supermans son.......
stay away singer. u had your chance. superman needs a director who understands the character and remains faithfull to him.

[dar-El]

Superman Returns is a load of garbage! Singer couldnt come up with his own story so he ripped off the Donner original, made it a supposed return story instaed of an origin and added a kid who shouldnt exist! The box office takings reflect that. Superman isnt someone who acts like a coward, feels lonely, leaves for 5 years forgetting his responsibilities, gets beaten up by common thugs or an absentee father for that matter . He is the greatest hero of all time. Something which Singers so called homage has forgotten. You want to know which is the best Superman movie? Donners as yet to be released Superman2 then the original in close 2nd. Lesters2, 3 Superman4 and Returns should be forgotten forever! and that my friends is the truth!

[TheComicbookKid]

Superman Returns is a load of garbage! Singer couldnt come up with his own story so he ripped off the Donner original, made it a supposed return story instaed of an origin and added a kid who shouldnt exist! The box office takings reflect that. Superman isnt someone who acts like a coward, feels lonely, leaves for 5 years forgetting his responsibilities, gets beaten up by common thugs or an absentee father for that matter . He is the greatest hero of all time. Something which Singers so called homage has forgotten. You want to know which is the best Superman movie? Donners as yet to be released Superman2 then the original in close 2nd. Lesters2, 3 Superman4 and Returns should be forgotten forever! and that my friends is the truth!

I understand you not liking Returns, but come on. Where was he as coward in Returns? Yeah he feels lonely;that's straight from the comics.Forgetting his responsiblities, It's ok to be on Earth without your powers(ala Supes II), but it's not ok to go looking for your home? You have to know your a father to be an absentee father. Why do people think Lois and Supes won't be together at the end of the trilogy? That's like Romeo and Juliet not dying.

[CConn]

agree with your "camp" comment. but certainly not your illogicalities comment.
thats why SR was so dissapointing to me. that and piano boy.
its filled with silly plot devices that are illogical and contradictory to the film itself.
clark being away for 5 years and being able to instantly get his old job back.
lexs bone headed land plot. there is no logic to that scheme. an ugly kryptonite island that destroys half the usa, the ultimate terrorist act
aand lex thinks that people will buy it off him???
the 2nd reason that lex made the island was because supes would be helpless to stop him as he is powerless on it. yeah right. so powerless that he was able to actually lift this entire kryptonite island into space with a pure kryptonite shard in him......???yeah. real logical that is. and a total contradiction as he was helpless on that same island only moments before....
and the fact that superman lifting this massive island out of the ocean wouldve caused the mother of all tidal waves which wouldve washed metropolis away.....
i see plenty of illogicalities.
some people can overlook these. some cant. doesnt mean they are not there.

the film was a reimagining of the 1st movie with a child thrown in.
[bryan singers homage to his own adoption i would say].
my god.:wow: singer thinks he is supermans son.......
stay away singer. u had your chance. superman needs a director who understands the character and remains faithfull to him.Let me put it this way, Superman never spun the world around to turn back time in SR. That's not an illogicality, that's an impossibility.

[Darknightnomis]

Let me put it this way, Superman never spun the world around to turn back time in SR. That's not an illogicality, that's an impossibility.

Logical? Impossible?

Where talking about a movie where a man can FLY!!!!

Throw any logic and impossiblitlity out the window.

By the by, Superman the Movie is not only the greatest Superman movie but was the greatest SUPERHERO movie until Batman Begins.

[Dan33977]

jesus christ, this one was hard to choose. Seriously, it was. In the end, I went with SUPERMAN (which, BTW, I HATE calling SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE; it's just called SUPERMAN, people!! WATCH THE OPENING CREDITS!). Anyway, I really couldn't decide between SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN RETURNS, and even now, though I've chosen the first one, I still think of things that I like better in RETURNS. Having said that, I feel that, in the end, Donner's first SUPERMAN flick is just a damn classic (origin tale, Marlon Brando, Christopher Reeve, and all) and is just a TAD, TAD bit better than RETURNS. But, regardless, both are light-years ahead of Lester's SUPERMAN II and Lester's SUPERMAN II is basically the Mona Lisa when compared to SUPERMAN III and SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE. Anyway, enough rambling, here's how it all plays out for me:

1. SUPERMAN.
2. SUPERMAN RETURNS.
3. SUPERMAN II.
4. SUPERMAN III and SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE (You know, I never really could decide which one I liked better and which one was worse).

I might also add that I cannot WAIT to see the DONNER CUT OF SUPERMAN II; it'll be interesting to see where it falls in line among these other classic flicks.:super: :super: :super: :supes: :super: :supes:

[lordofthenerds]

43% in favor of Superman Returns? What are you guys smoking? SR crapped all over the Superman mythos and deservedly is being rejected by the general public. With all that was just plain wrong about SR it's hard to parse out what was right. Not much. Superman: The Movie is VASTLY superior. Just watched it again the other night (LOVE the restored scenes!)
No comparison whatsoever. STM is movie making brilliance and Reeve embodied in every way exactly how the Man of Steel should be portrayed.
I thought that we are all entitled to our opinion.

I enjoyed STM and Superman 2, but they were both a bit too corny for my tastes, especially Superman 2.

[WhatsHisFace]

STM only got corny when Clark came to Metropolis.

[lordofthenerds]

STM only got corny when Clark came to Metropolis.
More than that. Otis, Otisburg, Basically all the countries invented by Lex and Otis, the tin-foil Krypton costumes, young Clark all of a sudden becoming a flying Superman, "Can You Read My Mind?" scene, and even Superman's bright costume all seemed corny for my standards. Also I could point out quite a few very corny lines in the movie such as "Don't thank me officer, we're all on the same team" and "Don't look...just fly...something came up, I ain't telling what it is...just fly." That second line was more corny than it looks since the pilot sounded like a typical radio broadcaster from the 60's.

[Dan33977]

*double post*

[Dan33977]

More than that. Otis, Otisburg, Basically all the countries invented by Lex and Otis, the tin-foil Krypton costumes..."Can You Read My Mind?" scene, and even Superman's bright costume all seemed corny for my standards. Also I could point out quite a few very corny lines in the movie such as "Don't thank me officer, we're all on the same team" and "Don't look...just fly...something came up, I ain't telling what it is...just fly." That second line was more corny than it looks since the pilot sounded like a typical radio broadcaster from the 60's.

Which were all *gasps* AFTER Clark arrived in Metropolis!!:o:whatever:

[boywonder13]

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

:up:

[Lead Cenobite]

More than that. Otis, Otisburg, Basically all the countries invented by Lex and Otis, the tin-foil Krypton costumes, young Clark all of a sudden becoming a flying Superman, "Can You Read My Mind?" scene, and even Superman's bright costume all seemed corny for my standards. Also I could point out quite a few very corny lines in the movie such as "Don't thank me officer, we're all on the same team" and "Don't look...just fly...something came up, I ain't telling what it is...just fly." That second line was more corny than it looks since the pilot sounded like a typical radio broadcaster from the 60's.

There's nothing wrong with some comedy in a Superman movie. There's plenty of serious moments to balance it all out.

And so what if the Krytpon costumes are made of tin foil or whatever? Big deal. Most of the time Superman's costume is made of spandex. Is tinfoil somehow less campy than spandex or something? lol It's not like it was plainly obvious.. and if I'm not mistaken, that's not tinfoil, that's some sortof reflective material.

What I say is, as long as the movie isn't making fun of the subject matter, I'm fine with it. It doesn't have to be dead serious all the time. Lighten up.

[Dan33977]

There's nothing wrong with some comedy in a Superman movie. There's plenty of serious moments to balance it all out.

And so what if the Krytpon costumes are made of tin foil or whatever? Big deal. Most of the time Superman's costume is made of spandex. Is tinfoil somehow less campy than spandex or something? lol It's not like it was plainly obvious.. and if I'm not mistaken, that's not tinfoil, that's some sortof reflective material.

What I say is, as long as the movie isn't making fun of the subject matter, I'm fine with it. It doesn't have to be dead serious all the time. Lighten up.

Agreed to an extent. It did work in SUPERMAN, though -- love this flick...:super: :super: :super: :supes: :supes: :supes: :super:

[nite-owl]

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

:up:

Wait how the hell have you seen it?:wow: :huh:

[lordofthenerds]

Which were all *gasps* AFTER Clark arrived in Metropolis!!:o:whatever:
He said WHEN Clark arrived in Metropilis. When and after mean different things.

[lordofthenerds]

There's nothing wrong with some comedy in a Superman movie. There's plenty of serious moments to balance it all out.

And so what if the Krytpon costumes are made of tin foil or whatever? Big deal. Most of the time Superman's costume is made of spandex. Is tinfoil somehow less campy than spandex or something? lol It's not like it was plainly obvious.. and if I'm not mistaken, that's not tinfoil, that's some sortof reflective material.

What I say is, as long as the movie isn't making fun of the subject matter, I'm fine with it. It doesn't have to be dead serious all the time. Lighten up.
First off corny isn't the same thing as comedy. Most of the things I mentioned in my post were serious parts of the movie. And the tin-foil costumes were far from my biggest gripe with the movie, its just that they are indeed corny looking.

And I never said the movie was bad, I even said I liked it. Its just that its corny moments made me like the film less than SR. I see nothing wrong with that.

[marvelrobbins]

Untill I see The Donner cut of Superman II I rate like this

1:Superman
2:Superman Returns
3:Superman II
4:Superman III
5:Superman IV

[dar-El]

You're entitled to your own opinion and all. It's cool with me. But SR worse than 3 and 4? I'll never understand that.

Mine's a tossup between The Movie and Returns. Overall I'd say I love The Movie more, but Returns fixes some things that The Movie got wrong.

3 & 4 didnt have a hero that left for five years or a stupid kid. They may not be good movies but they are good superman movies because they capture the true spirit of superman. Singerman did not!

[CConn]

3 & 4 didnt have a hero that left for five years or a stupid kid. They may not be good movies but they are good superman movies because they capture the true spirit of superman. Singerman did not!Superman has "left" for extended periods of time before in the comics. Multiple times, in fact.

And there's now a kid in the comics.

Are you sure this "true spirit of Superman" of yours actually exists?

[WhatsHisFace]

More than that. Otis, Otisburg, Basically all the countries invented by Lex and Otis, the tin-foil Krypton costumes, young Clark all of a sudden becoming a flying Superman (just have to butt-in and say, that was after twelve years of having Jor-El talk to him, so of course he was older.), "Can You Read My Mind?" scene, and even Superman's bright costume all seemed corny for my standards. Also I could point out quite a few very corny lines in the movie such as "Don't thank me officer, we're all on the same team" and "Don't look...just fly...something came up, I ain't telling what it is...just fly." That second line was more corny than it looks since the pilot sounded like a typical radio broadcaster from the 60's.
Yeah, all that stuff happened after Metropolis was introduced. Before that, the movie was almost 100% serious and was perfect in my eyes.

[CConn]

Really, I think the worst area of camp in STM was with Luthor and Otis. I think if Luthor and his cronies had remained somewhat ominous (like, say, they were in SR), it would've kept Superman with a legitimate threat and evil opposition and would've allowed for Superman, and Clark, and Jimmy to be campy without bringing the movie down to any large extent.

[ReeveFan1978]

CConn what do you mean "now there's a kid in the comics?" Whose kid??

EL

[CConn]

The newest issue of Action Comics features a Kyptonese-speaking child who crash lands in some short of space capsule in Metropolis. Who (and whose:o) he is hasn't been revealed yet.

[BrollySupersj]

Even though I could only vote for one. My two favorite Superman flims are: Superman Returns and Superman IV

[Mr. Socko]

I voted Superman: TM

[mego joe]

:supes: this is for those who have seen the brilliant superman returns...what do you think is the best of the series...

Oh, I didn't realize there was a 'brilliant' SUperman Returns. The one I saw was a piece of crap.

in order

Superman The Movie
Superman II
Superman IV
Superman III

then way down at the bottom with lots of room for other films

Superman Returns.

[CConn]

...you like IV better than III?

[mego joe]

You're entitled to your own opinion and all. It's cool with me. But SR worse than 3 and 4? I'll never understand that.

Mine's a tossup between The Movie and Returns. Overall I'd say I love The Movie more, but Returns fixes some things that The Movie got wrong.

What did SR 'fix?'

[mego joe]

You're entitled to your own opinion and all. It's cool with me. But SR worse than 3 and 4? I'll never understand that.

Mine's a tossup between The Movie and Returns. Overall I'd say I love The Movie more, but Returns fixes some things that The Movie got wrong.

What did SR 'fix?'

[mego joe]

I understand you not liking Returns, but come on. Where was he as coward in Returns?

He was cowardly when he chose not to be honest with Lois about leaving Earth for 5 years. He was afraid of being 'hurt,' so he said nothing and instead hurt the person he's supposed to love. That is cowardly, instead of doing what was right and facing his own fear, he took the easy way out. Cowardly.


Yeah he feels lonely;that's straight from the comics.


It's been a long time since the comics have used that scenario. He's been married to Lois in the comics for nearly 10 years now, or is it longer? That 'lonely' bit was back in the 60's and it played out very differently than in SR.


Forgetting his responsiblities, It's ok to be on Earth without your powers(ala Supes II), but it's not ok to go looking for your home?


No it's not Ok to be on earth w/o your powers ala SUperman II. That was the whole point of the ending. He already learned that lesson and promised the president that he would never do it again.


You have to know your a father to be an absentee father.


Wrong. Plenty of people are irresponsible with their reproductive material and father children they don't know about. Just because they don't know and were irresposible does not absolve them of their responsibility or moral obligation.


Why do people think Lois and Supes won't be together at the end of the trilogy? That's like Romeo and Juliet not dying.

At this point anyway you get them together will be wrong.

1. Richard dies= cop out.
2. Richard and Lois break up= bad for the kid, Richard is the father he's known, and Superman can never replace him. HOw sad, Superman can never be the true father to his own son.
3. Jason dies, Lois and Richard break up= why even make SR.
4. Lois leaves Richard for Superman= Lois is selfish and can't see what is best for her child and is being completely unfair to Richard.

[mego joe]

...you like IV better than III?

The basic concept of IV with the Quest for Peace is very admirable and III just doesn't have anything like that to wash the bad Richard Pryor villain storyline out of you mouth. I do like the Lana bits, but I still prefer IV.

[mego joe]

The newest issue of Action Comics features a Kyptonese-speaking child who crash lands in some short of space capsule in Metropolis. Who (and whose:o) he is hasn't been revealed yet.

Well, it certainly isn't SUperman's. I don't think the kid will make it out of the arc alive, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a plant. (not like a vegetable, but a trick)

[mego joe]

Superman has "left" for extended periods of time before in the comics. Multiple times, in fact.

And there's now a kid in the comics.

Are you sure this "true spirit of Superman" of yours actually exists?

I'm certain it does.

Would you care to discuss the circumstances of Superman leaving Earth in the comics? I contend that it is not simply leaving, but how he leaves. What does he tell his friends and family?

That new kid in the comics is not SUperman's. I don't even think he will turn out to really be Kryptonian. It's all too easy a set up. I feel the same with Batman's kid over in his title. The twist usually doesn't come in the firs issue of the story arc.

[Morgoth]

Superman and Superman Returns for me. But I have a feeling after seeing the Donner Cut of II, it will be right up there with the other 2.:word:

[captain_jimbo]

I can't wait for Donner's cut of Superman II, I just hope that it will be as great as everyone hopes, because I would hate for us all to be disappointed.

[Thot]

46% to 36%??!! STM is hips, chest, head and shoulders above the sorry excuse for a Superman movie that SR was! Mucho crack is being smoked here by some voters.

[Spade]

46% to 36%??!! STM is hips, chest, head and shoulders above the sorry excuse for a Superman movie that SR was! Mucho crack is being smoked here by some voters.

It's almost like they have an opinion of their own, huh?

:huh:

[captain_jimbo]

True, but who voted for Superman III?

[tdawkins]

This is a little against the grain but:

1)Superman 3

2)Superman 1/ Superman 2...Tie

3)Superman 4

4)Superman Returns (I usually pretend this one doesn't exist)

If you watch S3 as just an awsome movie that happens to have Superman in it, you'll definitely see why it's number 1.

STM and S2 are almost right up there with S3

S4 is very corny I agree, but the fact that it has Reeves puts it ahead of SR.

And as for SR...Superman in the hospital??? Nuff said. Kate Bosworth and Kevin Spacey are the only thing good about this movie

[BH/HHH]

1. Superman The Movie - still the greatest superhero film of all-time in my opinion. Will always be that special film for me that had me in awe as a child.

2. Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut - not quite the version of Superman II that I wanted to see for a long time but pretty darn close to it. The reuse of the turn back time ending lets it down abit (even if it was the original intended ending) and the scene used from the screen tests (great scene but the change in looks is very distracting). But that aside the fight in Metropolis with the added scenes I.e. the Punch (much better than the lane looking kick in Lester's version) and of course the Marlon Brando scenes make this the definitive version if Superman II.

3. Superman Returns - although the film has its problems Kate Bosworth as Lois Labe, the kid, no supervillain, the retread of the Donner films etc it still has some really great Superman moments and as a film I do like it a lot. The plane sequence is still the greatest scene I have ever seen in a film, it's just unbelievably epic. The elevator change and Spacey's Lex are highlights for me and I especially like Brandon Routh as Superman. The film does lag at the end but all in all it's a solid movie despite its problems.

4. Superman II - Richard Lester's version has a massive amount of problems that even bugged me as a child: Zod been able to levitate a gun, the cellophane S, the unbearable jokey moments I.e man on skates, man laughing in phone box etc and of course finally the memory kiss. Replacing Jor El with Superman's mother didn't have the same emotional impact it was at least plausible. But it is a fun movie, I even think the Eiffel Tower opening is much better than the opening to the Donner version, but it's hard to enjoy this film with its flaws.

5. Superman III - there is so much wrong with this film, boring villains, too many hokey moments ad if course the miscasting/misdirection of the use of Richard Pryor. However, this film does feature (in my opinion) the best if Chris Reeve's performances as the Man of Steel. The epic Clark Kent vs Superman scene and if course evil Superman were the highlights if the film. It's a shame the series lost its way so badly.

6. Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - just awful, the fx, the plot, the acting, one of the worst films I have ever seen. Such a shame cause there were good intentions.

[Bruce_Begins]

1. Superman Returns.
2. Superman The Movie.
3. Superman 2 / Superman 2:The Richard Donner Cut.
4. Superman 3.
5. Superman 4.

I expect Man Of Steel to take number one position, soon.

[BH/HHH]

1. Superman Returns.
2. Superman The Movie.
3. Superman 2 / Superman 2:The Richard Donner Cut.
4. Superman 3.
5. Superman 4.

I expect Man Of Steel to take number one position, soon.

Me too, I'm very optimistic and confident in Man of Steel.

[NewYorkSpider]

Superman: The Movie
Superman II
Superman Returns
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace
Superman III

The bottom two are about even.

[747]

*Looks at poll result and the number of votes for SR contra STM and dies a little inside*

STM is a thousand toupees better than SR. Here is my ranking and rating of live-action Superman films!

1. Superman: The Movie – 10/10
2. Superman II: The Donner Cut – 8/10
3. Superman II – 7/10
4. Superman III – 5/10
5. Superman Returns – 4/10
6. Superman and the Mole Men – 4/10
7. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace – 2/10

[Young Superman]

Superman: The Movie

[Human Torch]

Superman II
Superman
Superman IV
Superman III
Superman Returns

Superman I & II are two of my all time favorites.

:supes:

[Fudgie]

Superman II
Superman
Superman III
Superman Returns
Superman IV

[BlueLightning]

I watched Superman III recently and I was surprised how well crafted it was. Don't get me wrong, but with some tweaks it could be the equivalent to the Batman 1966 movie (which I love). Lester's direction is very focused, though with a lot of slapstick, there are some very nice moments. Superman using creativity to save the people from the plant, freezing the lake and made it rain on the fire was just gold. Also the McGuffin of the acid was very well placed. The battle between Evil Supes and Clark was awesome too.

Reeve's performance is, as always, the highlight of the movie. Though it acts sometimes as a vehicle for Richard Pryor, he is very funny. Perhaps the biggest laugh I got was from the scene where he falls from the building. It was impossible, by even the laws of those crazy Otto Binder stories from the silver age, to survive, but I was rolling on the floor laughing.

There are things in Superman I and II I don't really like (like the time travel in the ending of the first, or the unexplainable Kryptonian powers of the second film) but is mostly nitpicking. I consider the Richard Donner cut to be the best, but then again is brought down by continuity.

I believe Superman IV had a lot of potential, the best is Lex and Superman's interactions. And though I like Superman Returns, it was a wasted opportunity, we needed something along the lines of Batman Begins and less of a homeage to the old films.

[Spider-Aziz]

I voted Superman II, just for the villains
Everything else in the first film is better, even the visuals, I can say it's my favorite live action Superman film

I'll give them this ranking:
1. Superman the Movie
2. Superman: Doomsday
3. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
4. Superman 2

I like Superman 3 as a movie
Superman 4 is silly entertainment

[Tequilla]

Superman
Superman Returns
Superman II (Donner Cut)
Superman II
Superman IV
Superman III

I put 4 over 3 , because conceptually there's a lot of good ideas ...they are simply terribly executed.

The third one has no redeeming qualities. Its more of a Pryor vehicle than a Superman story. And the villain goal is to control the production of....coffee. Coffee !

I watched the fourth one a few days , there's a scene where they reverse the shot when nuclear man attacks...it looks so bad , and a guy actually looks like he missed the movement he should have made , so when they reverse it it looks completely ridiculous :funny:

[Lex Luthor]

Currently, Superman: The Movie still reigns supreme.

Anxious to see in June if MOS can actually top it. We'll see.

[NeoTechni]

I remember a scene from superman when i was a kid with him in a wheelchair at a hospital, crippled, in rehab, where the doctor had him test his heat vision and he couldnt even cut through pieces of paper. Anyone know what this is from?

[BH/HHH]

I remember a scene from superman when i was a kid with him in a wheelchair at a hospital, crippled, in rehab, where the doctor had him test his heat vision and he couldnt even cut through pieces of paper. Anyone know what this is from?

That's the season two episode of Superboy titled Lex Luthor, Sentenced to Death. He's in a wheel chair cause in Part 1 titled With This Ring I Thee Kill Lex Luthor blasted him with a gun called the Superboy gun.

[TheGuy]

1. Superman II(Donner's Cut)
2. Superman Returns
3. Superman: The Movie

[Sundancer]

Easily the first. Best pacing and characterization. Great except for the horrendous ending.

[LuisTX85]

My favorite&opinion of the best Superman movie so far is SM:TM,My ranking goes..

Superman:The Movie
Superman II(Donner Cut)
Superman II
Superman Returns
Superman IV
Superman III

[Indy1Jones]

Superman the movie
Superman II Donner cut

[JosephCAW]

7. Superman 4 - The Quest For Peace
6. Superman: Brainiac Attacks
5. Superman Returns (extended edition with all deleted scene included + the Return to Krypton scene)
4. All-Star Superman
3. Superman/Batman: Apokolips
2. Man Of Steel Trailers
1. 3 way tie, Superman: The Movie, Superman II & Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut.



Definitely the original.
Superman II had better villains but too many things just didn't make sense.

The cellophane S-Shield
Zod and co. being able to point at objects and levitate them
Superman and the villains going invisible in the Fortress
Superman's line "We used to play this game at school." On Krypton? That blew up.




1. To this day........WTF IS THE POINT OF THAT THING!!
2. sorta made scene but un-needed
3. not going invisible, just moving really really fast
4. "I used to play this game at school.", he didn't say "WE", meaning he would play tricks on others in Smallville High.......dumb since he was strictly told to never use his powers like that.....