Brandon Routh VS Tom Welling

[Kane]

This is in response to reactions to Brandon's performance; I wasnt around years ago to hear any reactions to Tom so I'm curious now, who gave a better performance and why? Who is the definative Superman for this generation overall?

Tom Welling

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Or

Brandon Routh

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[Mr. Socko]

Neither are the definite versions of a perfect Superman.

And Welling really isn't Superman.................

[tzarinna]

Why must you make me choose.


Brandon captured Reeve in that was very scarey and admirable, total fox.


and Mr. Socko has a point (party pooper :mad:)

Welling is not fully Superman :( so I guess that makes it easy ah



Brandon it is

[Kane]

Neither are the definite versions of a perfect Superman.



Neither was Chris Reeve, since he was only a man... but he did represent the character for a whole generation.

Now a new generation looks upon the latest incarnation.....for another man to represent Superman for them.

[Kane]

And Welling really isn't Superman.................


Its more than just that.

Its really about who is capable of more. Who had a stronger performance, stronger acting ability.....who really embodies the character etc.

[Mr. Socko]

Ok ok, I think Welling has better acting abilities and I believe he would have done great as Superman

[TriMatrix340]

It has to be Brandon Routh. First of all, he's a great actor. Secondly, he "fits" the roll better. And finally, he can act. Welling can't act worth a crap.

[SFII]

oh god, Tom Welling would look so gay flying around in a Superman outfit.
he's fine as a young Clark Kent. but he doesn't have that strength/confidence about him that Christopher Reeve/Brandon Routh have, as Superman.

and btw, why doesn't Clark Kent in Smallville wear glasses??

[Kane]

Why would he need to? He doesnt do the disguise thing.

Actually the Smallville writers have stated (in the interview for the Chris Reeve episode) that in their version, Clark will be the real person and Superman will be the disguise..which is a contrast to Reeve.

The young Clark in SR wore glasses because of a deleted scene where Martha gives them to him (when his powers were developing)....it was in the Showest trailer.

[Superman4ever]

This is a silly ass question, it's like asking 'what's better women or cow ****?'

[Lunar_Wolf]

Tom Welling=Better Clark Kent
Brandon Routh=Best actor to play Superman

Tom is amazing playing Clark, he will always be rememered in that role. When I think Clark I think Tom. Welling is a great actor and has proved it many times with he's performances on the show. As far as Welling in the movie world he just hasn't had he's break yet. He will find the perfect role. Not he's fault The Fog and Crapper by the Dozen were badly written.

[Junfan]

Tom Welling=Better Clark Kent
Brandon Routh=Best actor to play Superman

Agreed.

Though it's hard to compare the two, because Routh really didn't play "Clark", except for that one scene on the farm, he only played the moron Clark at the planet.

[NHawk19]

I went with Welling. Routh really didnt even say much in the movie, which really made it tough to evalute him.

[Lil_Flip246]

What would Tom Welling look like in the Superman suit??

[Milkman95]

Brandon, especially after seeing SR. His presence alone was great as Supes - having tons of dialogue didn't matter for me.

[Jlandsw]

Its more than just that.

Its really about who is capable of more. Who had a stronger performance, stronger acting ability.....who really embodies the character etc.

Welling has the stronger performance and acting ability!!!:supes: :up:

[Thot]

Tom Welling suffices as a young Clark for an o.k. TV series, but wouldn't fit in the Super-suit at all. He's way to much of a pretty boy. Doesn't have the manly, chiseled looks necessary, ala Reeve and Routh. Even Routh is borderline in some shots, possibly due to his boyish looks.

[O'Haire]

Who had a stronger performance, stronger acting ability.....who really embodies the character etc.

Routh by miles. I'm also a Welling fan. But it's not hard to tell who has the talent of the two when it comes to acting.:o

[\S/JcDc\S/]

It was clear to me that Routh has the natural acting talent that Welling does not. His presence was also great. Routh all the way :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

too bad acting involves talking and emoting or Routh wouldve really been on to something. Routh's SR performance was akin to Welling in Smallville's 1st season. They minimized his exposure and relied more on the other actors to support him. Thats OK to learn on a WB TV series but bad for a $200+ million motion picture.

Thankfully Tom's gotten much better and can actually convey emotion in non-verbal ways now, something I saw very little of out of Routh. Most of the time he had a blank look on his face, and his lines were delivered all the same way whether he was Superman or Clark. He had "Dean Cain syndrome." His performance as Superman reminded me just how great Reeve was because he had all the nuance and detail you could ever want. Based on reading the novel, you can tell a lot of the scenes that really had to focus on Brandon like the return to Krypton and the Smallville scenes, seemed REALLY cut down in the film, whihc really tells me something.

[trustyside-kick]

It would be easier to vote if we saw Tom Welling in Smallville actually be Superman and stuff. :(

[NHawk19]

It would be easier to vote if we saw Tom Welling in Smallville actually be Superman and stuff. :(

Best I can do is a manip

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

The SV forum has more of these if you want to see . . . .

[trustyside-kick]

Best I can do is a manip

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

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That is an awesome manip! But what I meant was if in the show we saw him finally become Superman. At the moment he is basically just 'Superboy' in the show Smallville.

Judging from that manip though, he definetly looks better than Routh in the suit.

[That-Guy]

He looks better than Routh in that suit because the suit itself is better (IMO). But looking at the face (despite the fact that he's actually older than Routh) his features are just too young-looking. Even in that picture he still looks more like Superboy than Superman. Routh, though he looks like a young Superman, still looks like an adult.

[Hollywoodland]

A manip is a manip. Its just an illustration. It isnt fair grounds to judge on since someone could easily draw one of Brandon.

I do think Welling looks alot older than Brandon but judging by performances, I'll have to go with Brandon. He was really great.

I dont think its fair to compare them though since theyre playing totally different characters. Welling plays the teenage version of the character while Brandon plays Superman/Metropolis Clark Kent

[Showtime]

I voted for Brandon. I thought he did a solid job as Superman and and gave us the best version of Clark to date.

[trustyside-kick]

I dont think its fair to compare them though since theyre playing totally different characters. Welling plays the teenage version of the character while Brandon plays Superman/Metropolis Clark Kent

Exactly, that was what I meant when I said we haven't seen Welling as Superman really in the show Smallville; not asking for a manip of him in the suit (I've seen plenty of those). :P

[RakuMon]

too bad acting involves talking and emoting or Routh wouldve really been on to something. Routh's SR performance was akin to Welling in Smallville's 1st season. They minimized his exposure and relied more on the other actors to support him. Thats OK to learn on a WB TV series but bad for a $200+ million motion picture.

Thankfully Tom's gotten much better and can actually convey emotion in non-verbal ways now, something I saw very little of out of Routh. Most of the time he had a blank look on his face, and his lines were delivered all the same way whether he was Superman or Clark. He had "Dean Cain syndrome." His performance as Superman reminded me just how great Reeve was because he had all the nuance and detail you could ever want. Based on reading the novel, you can tell a lot of the scenes that really had to focus on Brandon like the return to Krypton and the Smallville scenes, seemed REALLY cut down in the film, whihc really tells me something.
Yeah, Routh's inability to emote was really egregious in the scene after he saves the plane. Not only was his "statistically speaking" line delivered horribly (Reeve OWNS that line in STM), his blank stare as he looks at the baseball crowd was terrible.

[Bad Superman]

This is in response to reactions to Brandon's performance; I wasnt around years ago to hear any reactions to Tom so I'm curious now, who gave a better performance and why? Who is the definative Superman for this generation overall?

Tom Welling

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Or

Brandon Routh

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You can't compare them since they play different roles.

[jusblaze21]

You can't compare them since they play different roles.

Exactly

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Gough and Millar have said that Welling will become Superman in the last episode of Smallville. I'm looking forward to to seeing that more than SR (which hasn't been released yet in europe). Welling has a much better look and has really matured as an actor in the last couple of season's of Smallville. It's a shame that the show is so bad at times.

[Up Up & Oy Vey!]

Tom should have been Brandon as a teen in SR.

[trustyside-kick]

Tom should have been Brandon as a teen in SR.

That would be stupid. Besides, the reason Tom did not do SR is because he does not only want to be known as Superman when people read his resume for other films or something; or at least those are the rumors I heard. Brandon lost the role in Smallville to Welling and got 'second place'.

[Lead Cenobite]

Just because Tom Welling emotes that doesn't mean he's good at it.

Brandon Routh is my pick.

[Lead Cenobite]

Agreed.

Though it's hard to compare the two, because Routh really didn't play "Clark", except for that one scene on the farm, he only played the moron Clark at the planet.

When Routh is Superman, he is Clark Kent. Tom Welling's Clark isn't pretending to be someone else, and neither is Routh's Superman.

And I've never understoond how Superman can be a disguise. It's not just that he doesn't wear a mask, but he doesn't put on an act either.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Tom Welling of course !
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[Bruce_Wayne29]

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[Superman Prime]

I think Welling would probably make a better Superman than Routh did in 'SR'. Don't get me wrong, I like Routh, but Tom Welling has more of the comic-book look. AND Welling has believable acting abilities. Routh's acting is sub-par.

[Zing79]

Oh yeah; Routh was so awesome as an actor WITH HIS 20 LINES OF DIALOGUE in Superman Returns. I've seen bias in my time, but this is on a level that is scary.

I don't even care if you like Welling or not, for you to utter the words "Routh is an amazing actor" you've got to be high on something. That's like me coming out of the blocks after 20 meters of the 100 meter sprint next to a world class sprinter. I'm sure it may SEEM like I can keep up with him, but that's only because we've taken basically 5 steps.

Routh was an action figure – that’s it. And not a convincing one at that for me.

[OzzMosiz]

Best I can do is a manip

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He wanted to see what Tom Welling would look like in the suit. Not ROB LOWE!!!!! :p

[Kal-El 8]

Brandon Routh, proved his worthy to take up The Mantel of SUPERMAN left behind by Reeve .

Welling isn't Superman yet, he's still Jr. Kent from smallville .

[Spider-Gamer]

I voted for Tom Welling. :up:

[Vandal Savage]

Theres also another poll on Bluetights.net on who was the Best Clark Kent.

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=765988#post765988

Results:

Brandon Routh - 57 votes

Christopher Reeve - 42 votes

Dean Cain - 14 votes

Tom Welling - 11 votes

George Reeves - 4 votes

[Kal-El 8]

Theres also another poll on Bluetights.net on who was the Best Clark Kent.

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=765988#post765988

Results:

Brandon Routh - 57 votes

Christopher Reeve - 42 votes

Dean Cain - 14 votes

Tom Welling - 11 votes

George Reeves - 4 votes

that's about right .

[Vandal Savage]

Heres another poll from Bluetights.net, Who was the best Superman actor:

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=766096#post766096

Brandon Routh - 72 votes

Christopher Reeve - 58 votes

George Reeves - 4 votes

Dean Cain - 2 votes

Other - 2 votes

Tom Welling 1 vote


I guess some people can see beyond crappy manips. They should do this poll on Supermanhomepage.com also, I'd imagine the results wouldnt be much different.

I do think Chris and Brandon will eventually tie though in these polls which seems about right.

[Zing79]

that's about right .
How, HOW is that about right? Routh as CK doesn't even talk -- god damn that's bias!

How do you rate Routh's CK as better then Reeve's (when Reeve actually talked)? !#@!%#@@#@#!!!!

/calming down now

[Zing79]

Heres another poll from Bluetights.net, Who was the best Superman actor:

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=766096#post766096

Brandon Routh - 72 votes

Christopher Reeve - 58 votes

George Reeves - 4 votes

Dean Cain - 2 votes

Other - 2 votes

Tom Welling 1 vote


I guess some people can see beyond crappy manips. They should do this poll on Supermanhomepage.com also, I'd imagine the results wouldnt be much different.

I do think Chris and Brandon will eventually tie though in these polls which seems about right.
Oh yeah? Ya think? Maybe you should take this poll outside of the SR circle jerk black hole and see how Routh fares.

[Kal-El 8]

Heres another poll from Bluetights.net, Who was the best Superman actor:

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=766096#post766096

Brandon Routh - 72 votes

Christopher Reeve - 58 votes

George Reeves - 4 votes

Dean Cain - 2 votes

Other - 2 votes

Tom Welling 1 vote




Now that's more like it . :supes:

[Kal-El 8]

How, HOW is that about right? Routh as CK doesn't even talk -- god damn that's bias!

How do you rate Routh's CK as better then Reeve's (when Reeve actually talked)? !#@!%#@@#@#!!!!

/calming down now

Routh's Clark is not a bumbling idoit like Reeve's Clark was . I could actually see Lois Lane falling in love with this version of clark. much more than Reeve's Clark. {by no means I'm I saying Reeve's Clark Kent isn't good, because that's just not true, Reeve's was great as both Kent & Kal-El. But he played Kent a little too stupid, that I could see why Lois wouldn't give Clark the time of day .}

[Zing79]

Routh's Clark is not a bumbling idoit like Reeve's Clark was . I could actually see Lois Lane falling in love with this version of clark. much more than Reeve's Clark. {by no means I'm I saying Reeve's Clark Kent isn't good, because that's just not true, Reeve's was great as both Kent & Kal-El. But he played Kent a little too stupid, that I could see why Lois wouldn't give Clark the time of day .}
Sigh...you obviously deduced this from ALL THE NOT TALKING Routh did right? You can't say he's stupid, because he said nothing, you can't say he's smart, because he said nothing. To deduce anything from nothing is to project your own opinion on what was going on.

[Vandal Savage]

Oh yeah? Ya think? Maybe you should take this poll outside of the SR circle jerk black hole and see how Routh fares.

It is Bluetights.com Superman section; a section that draws in fans of the film, Superman in general, and people who dislike the film (who seem as vocal as you). However among alot of the people that didnt like the film as much, they still praise Brandon Routh as great.

Again, I also said they should do this poll on Supermanhomepage.com (seems like neutral ground) but I dont imagine the results being much different based on all the comments I have read, theres alot of love for Brandon.

[Vandal Savage]

How, HOW is that about right? Routh as CK doesn't even talk -- god damn that's bias!

How do you rate Routh's CK as better then Reeve's (when Reeve actually talked)? !#@!%#@@#@#!!!!

/calming down now

Yes, I'd advise calming down. No use getting this emotional over something this trivial.

I much prefer Brandon's portrayal of Clark to Chris Reeve because Chris played the character in the style of screwball comedy. Brandon simply played Clark as mild mannered, shy and not obvious comic relief.

He was the only actor to me to make it believeable that this man could blend into the background as Clark Kent and transform into the world's most beloved hero as Superman. He just made the duality seem real and I believe thats the main reason why his performance was well received.

[Kal-El 8]

Sigh...you obviously deduced this from ALL THE NOT TALKING Routh did right? You can't say he's stupid, because he said nothing, you can't say he's smart, because he said nothing. To deduce anything from nothing is to project your own opinion on what was going on.

You might have not know this but in SR SUPERMAN/Kal-EL is the real deal & Clark Kent is the disguise . [I prefer this]

unlike in smallville clark kent is {said to be the real preson.} & later down the road Superman is suppose to be the disguise. :o :mad:

[Zing79]

You might have not know this but in SR SUPERMAN/Kal-EL is the real deal & Clark Kent is the disguise . [I prefer this]

unlike in smallville clark kent is {said to be the real preson.} & later down the road Superman is suppose to be the disguise. :o :mad:
I'm not talking about Smallville. I'm talking about you deducing Routh was a better Clark then Reeve, when there's nothing for you to base that on, because Routh as Clark said nothing.

[Pickle-El]

Voted Routh.....He's below Reeve on the list to me though. Welling comes in 3rd.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Best I can do is a manip

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that's not a manip thats a painting

[The Incredible Hulk]

That would be stupid. Besides, the reason Tom did not do SR is because he does not only want to be known as Superman when people read his resume for other films or something; or at least those are the rumors I heard. Brandon lost the role in Smallville to Welling and got 'second place'.

Tom not doing SR had nothing to do with fear of typecasting, and more to do with the fact that WB didnt want to kill Smallville, whcih is what wouldve had to have happened if he did the movie.

As for Routh, he auditioned for Smallville, along with thousands of other guys. It never moved past that stage, and he wasnt 2nd to Welling.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I just got back from Superman Returns....FANTASIC movie:up: :up: .

I'm glad Welling stayed away from SR on the simple fact the show and film is not in continuity. Just because he plays Clark doesn't mean Tom would pull of Superman. I think Welling is Clark Kent, no one can out do him with the character. Routh is Superman, in my opinion just as good if not better then Reeve, no one can play Superman like Routh did. Another thing if Welling was casted as Superman then why not Michael as Lex and Durance as Lois....hell then it would just be Smallville the movie.

It's been confirmed that Welling will put the suit on in the last ep of Smallvile.:supes:

[wootbaby]

neither can compare to reeves or reeve.

tom and brandon are playing different characters.

tom is a post-crisis, Byrne "The Man of Tomorrow" superman. it's the same character that dean cain played. Kal-el is Clark Kent. Superman is the mask. Clark is human through and through with an imperfect understanding of krypton and no real ties to that past. He's got limits, cant stop time or fly into the Sun.

Brandom is playing Silver Age superman. kal-el is superman. he's the last son of krypton, with perfect knowledge of his kryptonian heritage, language and technology. Clark is his mask to interact with the lesser mortals whom he protects. he is omnipotent. he can bend time and move planets. he is an alien, a godlike being not human and he's destined to live apart from everyone else

2 different characters. i think the PAIRs actually complement each other. Dean plays a more confident, but still vulnerable and likeable, elder Clark to the Tom character

Christopher and Brandon visual similarities and similarities in carriage. Christopher is the gold standard for the "hero" superman and brandon is a faded-out yet serviceable facsimile of that superman

[retconned]

That would be stupid. Besides, the reason Tom did not do SR is because he does not only want to be known as Superman when people read his resume for other films or something; or at least those are the rumors I heard. Brandon lost the role in Smallville to Welling and got 'second place'.

Actually, Brandon Routh came in 4th out of a group of 5. And I don't want to hear any gibberish about how the Producers didn't want someone who looked like Reeve, considering they dressed Welling up to look like him in the first couple of episodes.

1. Tom Welling.....Obviously he won the role.
2. Jensen Ackles
3. Milo Ventigimilia
4. Brandon Routh
5. Shawn Roberts....this dude was in cheaper by the dozen 2 with Tom.

And don't forget, Kristen Kreuk beat out Kate Bosworth for the role of Lana Lang. Also don't forget that physically, Welling looks like he could beat the sh#t out of Routh.

[Lunar_Wolf]

it's funny how Tom is older the Routh but yet he is playing the younger version of Clark.:p

[BenReilly19]

it's funny how Tom is older the Routh but yet he is playing the younger version of Clark.:p

Ironically, it's not the first time something like that has happened. Christopher Reeve was 24 when he played Superman in the first film, where as Gerard Christopher was well into his thirties when he played the younger version of the role on the Superboy show. Only difference was Superboy came out right after the film series ended. Guess it's just a case of history repeating itself.

[Eros]

neither can compare to reeves or reeve.

tom and brandon are playing different characters.

tom is a post-crisis, Byrne "The Man of Tomorrow" superman. it's the same character that dean cain played. Kal-el is Clark Kent. Superman is the mask. Clark is human through and through with an imperfect understanding of krypton and no real ties to that past. He's got limits, cant stop time or fly into the Sun.

Brandom is playing Silver Age superman. kal-el is superman. he's the last son of krypton, with perfect knowledge of his kryptonian heritage, language and technology. Clark is his mask to interact with the lesser mortals whom he protects. he is omnipotent. he can bend time and move planets. he is an alien, a godlike being not human and he's destined to live apart from everyone else

2 different characters. i think the PAIRs actually complement each other. Dean plays a more confident, but still vulnerable and likeable, elder Clark to the Tom character

Christopher and Brandon visual similarities and similarities in carriage. Christopher is the gold standard for the "hero" superman and brandon is a faded-out yet serviceable facsimile of that superman


actually friend, "Smallville" is based more on the old donner movies then the comics [as the producers have made clear]. Tom wellings clark kent is basically suppose to be a deeper version of teenage clark kent from the 1978 superman movie. So in actuallity, Brandon and Tom are in a sense playing the same type of "clark kents".When
Tom wellings "clark Kent" finally accepts his "Desitny" and enters his "training" with Jor-el. He will become Brandons Rouths adult Clark kent/superman. Clark kent will become the diguise and superman will be his more comfortable form. Comparing the two is thus pointless.

[Vandal Savage]

Actually thats not true. Miles Millar and Alfred Gough who write Smallville confirmed that just like Lois and Clark; Clark Kent will be the REAL Person in Smallville and Superman will eventually be the disguise. . . somehow.

I think that tactic sucked for a live action version, as Lois and Clark proved.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I prefer when Clark is the disguise, it comes cross very funny the way he portrays the character in the goofy way. But I'm so used to the Clark character on Smallville, Superman would seem a better fit as the disguise.

[Vandal Savage]

Superman wouldnt make much sense as a disguise though.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Superman wouldnt make much sense as a disguise though.

It really depends how they pull it off in Smallville.

[retconned]

Actually thats not true. Miles Millar and Alfred Gough who write Smallville confirmed that just like Lois and Clark; Clark Kent will be the REAL Person in Smallville and Superman will eventually be the disguise. . . somehow.

I think that tactic sucked for a live action version, as Lois and Clark proved.

That tactic is the right way to go, but like everything else requires good writing and an actor to pull off the role.

It would take a stronger actor to do Clark Kent the real man/Superman the disguise than it would be the other way around.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

Victory for Brandon Routh :supes:

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[Lunar_Wolf]

I remember when Brandon was first casted alot of people dissed this guy. It's great that almost everyone now thinks he was the perfect Superman:supes: .

[NHawk19]

that's not a manip thats a painting

Pot A toes - Pot a toes

[Eros]

That tactic is the right way to go, but like everything else requires good writing and an actor to pull off the role.

It would take a stronger actor to do Clark Kent the real man/Superman the disguise than it would be the other way around.

I assume you did see lois and clark, it would not work and would be pretty funny. Dean cain did a great job as Clark kent, but how the hell Lois could not tell he was asuperman is beyond me.A pair of glasses is bearly a diguise, and clark must act like a geek for it to work at all. Chris Reeve clark kent is like a completley different person then superman, it was an amazing job. Hell it was the most beleivable live action portrayal i have ever seen.Thats why most people use the classic approach to it, Clark kent is the diguise and has to be for people to buy it at all. The comic books are laughable these day, how people still can't see it is just dumb.

[Vandal Savage]

Agreed Eros. I think it works in comics and animation, but for a more realistic live action version, it wouldnt.

I saw this in the movie forum, and this pic makes perfect sense why it wouldnt work:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5499/supermanfuture01xq6.jpg

[Hal Jordan 8472]

I remember when Brandon was first casted alot of people dissed this guy. It's great that almost everyone now thinks he was the perfect Superman:supes: .

Those losers got owned.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Victory for Brandon Routh :supes:

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you have an odd way of looking at "victory":

Welling has played Clark Kent/Superman longer than any actor ever on a show going into it's 6th season thats #1 on it's Network and makes a regular killing in it's 18-49 yr old male target demographic.

Routh aped Reeve and barely spoke in one Superman film that's floundering at the box office trying desperately to make back it's production budget, before it can even sniff a sequel

[Hal Jordan 8472]

you have an odd way of looking at "victory":

I'm just going by who the fans overall love more and its amusing to see Brandon after one film, pushing a guy aside whos played teen Clark for 5 years.

Its obviously a testament to the performance that the Superman fans prefer the most.

Welling has played Clark Kent/Superman

Clark yes. Superman no. Maybe thats part of the reason Brandon has the edge here.

Routh aped Reeve and barely spoke in one Superman film

Your opinion, clearly a fairly large amount feel differently.

I think we'll have some insight into whether the sequel will happen at the comic-con in a few days.

My money is that there will be a sequel and Brandon will return, I dont want to go into all the reasons for it again, but we'll see :supes:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm just going by who the fans overall love more and its amusing to see Brandon after one film, pushing a guy aside whos played teen Clark for 5 years.

Its obviously a testament to the performance that the Superman fans prefer the most.


or a testament that you've posted it on a website that caters to Superhero MOVIES where the movie fans far outnumber the people that here to talk about TV. Or a testament to the fact that Welling has never put on the suit.....


Clark yes. Superman no. Maybe thats part of the reason Brandon has the edge here.


Thats a matter of semantics, clark kent/superman is the same role. He's doing everything but being super with the costume on. regardless, he passed George Reeves for most screen time as clark kent/superman/kal-el, etc.


Your opinion,

the "aped" part perhaps, but if Routh had over 20 lines of dialogue in that entire film I'd be shocked.


I think we'll have some insight into whether the sequel will happen at the comic-con in a few days.

My money is that there will be a sequel and Brandon will return, I dont want to go into all the reasons for it again, but we'll see :supes:

things wont be clear by comic-con, this movie still wont even be close to $200 million domestic by this weekend. Singer's going to come and give stock, pre-rehearsed answers about things like that, and they'll try to focus fan questions to pertain to the film thats currently in theaters, thats always how those things go.

[Kid_Kaos]

Even though I prefer neither of them as Supes I still think Tom would be the better SuperMAN. Brandon looks like an 18-year old with way too much access to his sisters make-up bag! I never took him seriously, even with his few lines as Supes.
Singer casted him as a perfect match for Chris Reeve and that's all Brandon symbolizes (to me).

I'd rather have someone who can play Superman in his early 30s and a descent muscular structure.
If the viewers can take the glasses they can take a strong man as Clark and Supes.

Jim Caviezel would've been the perfect choice IMO.

[retconned]

I assume you did see lois and clark, it would not work and would be pretty funny. Dean cain did a great job as Clark kent, but how the hell Lois could not tell he was asuperman is beyond me.A pair of glasses is bearly a diguise, and clark must act like a geek for it to work at all. Chris Reeve clark kent is like a completley different person then superman, it was an amazing job. Hell it was the most beleivable live action portrayal i have ever seen.Thats why most people use the classic approach to it, Clark kent is the diguise and has to be for people to buy it at all. The comic books are laughable these day, how people still can't see it is just dumb.

Did you read the part where I said you would need a very strong actor?

[Eros]

Did you read the part where I said you would need a very strong actor?

acting has nothing to do with makeing people in the movie look stupid. it has nothing ot do with acting, it has more to do with trying not to insult peoples intelligence for them to buy that. no one i mean no one is such a great actor they cannot even out act thier height,weight,looks, etc. Johnny Depth as Jack sparrow looks like Johnny depth as Jack sparrow, but its the way he completly transforms his personality when hes Jack that is where people are taken with him.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Johnny Depth?

[DogofKrypton]

It's funny how some people take a poll, at SHH of all places, and run with it like "The World Has Spoken". Like the Singer "apologists" wouldn't flood it with their un-dying devotion. They really can't see the fact that the movie dropped the ball AT ALL, can they?

[Lead Cenobite]

And Smallville drops the ball week in and week out. So I don't see how it's so hard to conceive that Routh, who displayed a lot more heroism and power(no, not as in how he lifted more heavy objects, I'm talking about his presence and convincing performance as SuperMAN) than Welling ever has on any single occasion in the show is beating Welling, who's playing a whiny 19 year old, who despite his height and physical advantage over Routh, can't even intimidate a mouse.

Just because Welling plays Clark with powers doesn't mean he's playing Superman. Superman is more than just the powers you know.

[Zing79]

And Smallville drops the ball week in and week out. So I don't see how it's so hard to conceive that Routh, who displayed a lot more heroism and power(no, not as in how he lifted more heavy objects, I'm talking about his presence and convincing performance as SuperMAN) than Welling ever has on any single occasion in the show is beating Welling, who's playing a whiny 19 year old, who despite his height and physical advantage over Routh, can't even intimidate a mouse.

Just because Welling plays Clark with powers doesn't mean he's playing Superman. Superman is more than just the powers you know.
As you were typing that post did you consider the possibility that maybe (just maybe) someone would fire back by saying that Routh is playing a deadbeat stalker? Or that someone would accuse you of not having actually watched every episode of Smallville to make your assumption?

Because either of those possibilities are inevitable reactions to your post.

[Eros]

As you were typing that post did you consider the possibility that maybe (just maybe) someone would fire back by saying that Routh is playing a deadbeat stalker? Or that someone would accuse you of not having actually watched every episode of Smallville to make your assumption?

Because either of those possibilities are inevitable reactions to your post.

I have seen every episode of smallville though, and the writing goes from good to bad near the end of the seasons. The whole clark and Lana thing is terrible, Clark needs Chloe to wipe is ass and do everything esle for him. Clark spends his time pining over Lana, but just lies to her every chance he gets. He also doesn't trust Lana can handle his secret, i guess he doesn't love Lana as much as he thinks. Smallville is a mess, and always does stupid things for ratings. Their tagline for season 5 was "good sex, bad Lex":down . They brought in the lois lane charater for some odd reason, and i dunno how retarded that is on some cosmical comic book level. Jimmy olsen is the same age as clark [retarded yes] in season 6, and apprently has sleptwith Chloe sullivan. So yes, Welling hasn't impressed me with his Clark kent, he just spends countless hours in a barn wondering what Lana is doing with Lex [much like superman returns superman lol]. Or he is trying to help Lional luthor, the same man that tried to kill him and Chloe [many times] less then 2 seasons ago.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

It's funny how some people take a poll, at SHH of all places, and run with it like "The World Has Spoken". Like the Singer "apologists" wouldn't flood it with their un-dying devotion. They really can't see the fact that the movie dropped the ball AT ALL, can they?

Wherever there are so called 'Singer apologists' there are also 'Smallville apologists'..

Don't be such a sore loser.

[Zing79]

I have seen every episode of smallville though, and the writing goes from good to bad near the end of the seasons. The whole clark and Lana thing is terrible, Clark needs Chloe to wipe is ass and do everything esle for him. Clark spends his time pining over Lana, but just lies to her every chance he gets. He also doesn't trust Lana can handle his secret, i guess he doesn't love Lana as much as he thinks. Smallville is a mess, and always does stupid things for ratings. Their tagline for season 5 was "good sex, bad Lex":down . They brought in the lois lane charater for some odd reason, and i dunno how retarded that is on some cosmical comic book level. Jimmy olsen is the same age as clark [retarded yes] in season 6, and apprently has sleptwith Chloe sullivan. So yes, Welling hasn't impressed me with his Clark kent, he just spends countless hours in a barn wondering what Lana is doing with Lex [much like superman returns superman lol]. Or he is trying to help Lional luthor, the same man that tried to kill him and Chloe [many times] less then 2 seasons ago.
So in conclusion, you’ve seen every episode of Smallville, and at no point has Clark on SV (in its entire 5 years run) shown the level of heroism that Clark in SR has shown? And at no point did Clark in SR show himself to be as pathetic as Clark has been in SV?

Because I believe that’s what I was responding to. It was nice though that you completely ignored all that and steered it FAR away from the point I was trying to make.

[Zing79]

Wherever there are so called 'Singer apologists' there are also 'Smallville apologists'..

Don't be such a sore loser.
Very interesting definition of loser. Because near as I can tell Smallville is headed to season 6 while SR is headed to a dead end.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

Very interesting definition of loser.

Indeed. Losers, apologists, all the same. So insecure about the teen soap they like that they feel compelled to attempt to defend every post, including this one that wasnt even addressed to them or in response to them. Nice.

while SR is headed to a dead end

We'll see about that. I think theres a better chance we'll see an SR sequel in 2009 than 'Smallville the movie' with Welling as Superman The later prospect would definately fall under clinging to false hope.

[Superman Prime]

Johnny Depth.


LMAO!!!!!

[DogofKrypton]

Wherever there are so called 'Singer apologists' there are also 'Smallville apologists'..

Don't be such a sore loser.

Except Singer "apologists" (quotation marks are appropriate next time), are the type to close their eyes, cover their ears, and repeat "No, no, no" over and over, in between making lame insults.

And loser? What exactly did I lose? Grow-up.

[DogofKrypton]

And Smallville drops the ball week in and week out. So I don't see how it's so hard to conceive that Routh, who displayed a lot more heroism and power(no, not as in how he lifted more heavy objects, I'm talking about his presence and convincing performance as SuperMAN) than Welling ever has on any single occasion in the show is beating Welling, who's playing a whiny 19 year old, who despite his height and physical advantage over Routh, can't even intimidate a mouse.

Just because Welling plays Clark with powers doesn't mean he's playing Superman. Superman is more than just the powers you know.

This is rich. "Convinving"? Who? Not me, that's for sure. I enjoyed Routh's Superman to a degree, but presence?? Yeah, his line of "I see an old man's sick joke" was really put across with some "presence". Sounded like he was mildly annoyed at best. Christopher Reeve, or even Tom Welling, would have sounded like they meant business.

And it's funny how they come to this discussion to throw out their opinions as fact, opinions that most of the others on the Movie board feel the exact opposite of. #1 complaint with Routh up there? Too SuperBOY, not MAN.

It's going to be funny reading a response that will be typed with eyes closed, fingers in his ears, while whispering "Routh, Routh he's our man, even though he didn't do it, no one can"....

[Eros]

Very interesting definition of loser. Because near as I can tell Smallville is headed to season 6 while SR is headed to a dead end.

i can't wait to see what the "spirit" of zod does in Lex luthors body in season 6!:down

[Zing79]

i can't wait to see what the "spirit" of zod does in Lex luthors body in season 6!:down
i can't wait to see what the "super" kid does in the next movie! :down

[Eros]

i can't wait to see what the "super" kid does in the next movie! :down

he will probbaly get stuck in the phantom Zone.:)

[Hal Jordan 8472]

And loser? What exactly did I lose? Grow-up.

Uh this poll. You seem pretty upset over it. I dont think you would be screaming 'Singer apologists' etc if the popular vote was towards Tom Welling, just keep that in mind.

Except Singer "apologists" (quotation marks are appropriate next time), are the type to close their eyes, cover their ears, and repeat "No, no, no" over and over, in between making lame insults..

I could easily say the same about the Smallville ones. Youre not exactly representing them well.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

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[Zing79]

he will probbaly get stuck in the phantom Zone.:)
And have an allergic reaction to...everything :)

[DogofKrypton]

Uh this poll. You seem pretty upset over it. I dont think you would be screaming 'Singer apologists' etc if the popular vote was towards Tom Welling, just keep that in mind.



I could easily say the same about the Smallville ones. Youre not exactly representing them well.

Ahh, nice try. Easiest way to THINK you have the upper-hand? Claim someone is "emotionally involved" with the subject matter. This "poll" is hardly scientific, isn't it?

And who said I was "representing" anyone? That's right YOU did. And you have been wrong this entire time, so why stop now?

[CConn]

Ahh, nice try. Easiest way to THINK you have the upper-hand? Claim someone is "emotionally involved" with the subject matter. This "poll" is hardly scientific, isn't it?

And who said I was "representing" anyone? That's right YOU did. And you have been wrong this entire time, so why stop now?Generally when someone feels strongly enough about something to mention it in their sig, they're emotionally involved.

Just FYI.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

;) You beat me to it.

[DogofKrypton]

Generally when someone feels strongly enough about something to mention it in their sig, they're emotionally involved.

Just FYI.

I bet you think you made the point you THOUGHT you were making, didn't you?

See, let me educate you a little on where you went wrong: Does my sig contain the names Tom or Welling ANYWHERE in it? Doesn't, does it? I believe it says NO ONE, meaning there are numerous other actors who I might feel is better suited for the role. The "poll" says TW or BR. After seeing BR play a decent SuperBOY, the choice is obvious.

And it looks like weak minds think alike, eh Hal?

[dabilee01]

i freaking clicked the wrong name.

take one away from welling and add one to routh.

the poll should now read: Tom Welling - 35, Brandon Routh - 77

my bad.

[himynameiskevin]

Brandon Routh!!

[AmbientFire]

Brandon Routh, because of his portrayal of both Superman and Clark Kent, the acting choices he made were solid - And whoever wants to claim that Brandon wasn't acting because he only had so and so many lines is, well, not familiar with what acting entails.

[KaptainKrypton]

Brandon Routh hands down. Unlike Welling, who has the emotional range of a cinder block, Routh can carry me through a Superman experience without vomiting. This is something Smallville has never been able to do. That, and Routh SOUNDS like Superman. I don't mind that some people keep saying Routh looks like Superboy. That's fine by me. Welling, however, seems more to me like Supergirl.

[Zing79]

Brandon Routh hands down. Unlike Welling, who has the emotional range of a cinder block, Routh can carry me through a Superman experience without vomiting. This is something Smallville has never been able to do. That, and Routh SOUNDS like Superman. I don't mind that some people keep saying Routh looks like Superboy. That's fine by me. Welling, however, seems more to me like Supergirl.
It's a good thing then that Supergirl is bigger, stronger and could pimp slap Superman right in his mouth without Superman being able to do a thing about it. :rolleyes:

I almost feel dirty resorting to this level of reply -- almost.

[Primal Slayer]

I dont really see how anyone would be able to comapare the two. Both of them basically play different charecters to a certain degree even though the charecters are the same guy. Not to mention that we have 5+ years of seeing Tom as Teenaged Clark Kent and 2hours of Routh playing Clark and Superman, and that he barely spoke but when he did I feel like he was good for the role.

[KaptainKrypton]

It's a good thing then that Supergirl is bigger, stronger and could pimp slap Superman right in his mouth without Superman being able to do a thing about it. :rolleyes:

I almost feel dirty resorting to this level of reply -- almost.
Please elaborate. Your point is out in the woods. Go get it.

[Zing79]

Please elaborate. Your point is out in the woods. Go get it.
Never argue with an idiot;
He'll drag you down to his level and beat you by experience

[KaptainKrypton]

Never argue with an idiot;
He'll drag you down to his level and beat you by experience
:up: :)

[AmbientFire]

What i would really like to know is why some around here feel that Brandon wasn't acting because he didn't have many lines of dialogue in the movie. Could you guys explain why you think he needs lines to act? Btw, I like Tom Welling in Smallville no doubts - Hell, I can't wait for the next season - what i don't get is the whole "actor must speak to act" part of the anti-Brandon rhetoric. Help me out will ya?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

actually..acting come from being believable..he showed alot of emotion in his face..that is acting.. some people seem to think its an easy job..acting.. half of you moaning about Brandon or welling couldn't do a better job.

[The Incredible Hulk]

ITheir tagline for season 5 was "good sex, bad Lex":down . .

:rolleyes: That wasnt the tagline for the season. That was a stupid line of text that got put on a promo sheet for one episode. Was it dumb? Yes. Was it shown on the network or created by or erndorsed by the show? No. It's the work of some dunce in the promo department trying to be cute...

[The Incredible Hulk]

Generally when someone feels strongly enough about something to mention it in their sig, they're emotionally involved.

Just FYI.

I dont see that rule in my "Message Board Posting for Dummies" hanbook? :confused:

[Trooper]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2096/photonw2.jpg

[raybia]

;) You beat me to it.


Seriously, who would win in a five round boxing match.


I would pay to see that.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

Blah. I'd rather see two hot girls duke it out in the ring than these 2.


Dean Cain claimed he would own both of them in a barfight though...I wonder what hes on.

[raybia]

Blah. I'd rather see two hot girls duke it out in the ring than these 2.


Dean Cain claimed he would own both of them in a barfight though...I wonder what hes on.


I don't know. He was a college football player, so he is probably a tough guy.

[Hal Jordan 8472]

True. Its really hard to say who would win. After watching guys like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan take down dudes twice their size, I think it comes down to training.

Ya, I think Cain could take them.

The question is, who's Superman would win in a fight? Cain or Brandon?

Its like Earth 1 Superman fighting postcrisis Superman.

[raybia]

True. Its really hard to say who would win. After watching guys like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan take down dudes twice their size, I think it comes down to training.

Ya, I think Cain could take them.

The question is, who's Superman would win in a fight? Cain or Brandon?

Its like Earth 1 Superman fighting postcrisis Superman.


I think Brandon's Superman is more powerful but it would still go the distance.

[nite-owl]

Brandon Routh.

[captain_jimbo]

Best I can do is a manip

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

The SV forum has more of these if you want to see . . . .

Wow, great picture.:up:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

That was a painting done by artist Carlo Pagulayan who has worked for Dark Horse, Marvel and has also done Superman for DC. Here's another he's done of Tom as Superman.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/Superman_tomWelling.jpg

And of course the ones done by Alex Ross:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/tomwellingsuperman2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/tomwellingsuperman1.jpg

This one I like too, it's a manip based on The Return to Krypton story arc:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/TomWelling_ReturntoKrypton.jpg
And a cool new one:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/TWSuperman.jpg

[Nerial]

I love them both. I can't pick one over the other.

I think Tom does great as a young (and very confused) Clark Kent. I am a bit tired of his portrayl being labeled as "The Big Dumb Alien" though (the fault of the writers, not Tom).

I loved Routh as Superman. I thought he was terrific, especially his facial expressions. I did want more lines, however, and I'm hoping the next movie will bring out even more.

I wouldn't want Routh playing Smallville's Clark any more than I'd want Welling playing Superman.

[Silver Lad]

Well theres one more thing Brandon has over Tom, Brandon's girl is a million times better looking than Tom's wife, wow;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/courntey.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/azuredivina/ComicCon%2006/DSC01618.jpg

He has good taste. :up:

[Silver Lad]

I wouldn't want Routh playing Smallville's Clark any more than I'd want Welling playing Superman.

I agree. I think it worked out for the best.

[BareKnucklez]

It has to be Brandon Routh. First of all, he's a great actor. Secondly, he "fits" the roll better. And finally, he can act. Welling can't act worth a crap.

First off all your out of your mind, 2nd off all your living in a fantasy world, and 3rd off all BRANDON ROUTH CANNOT ACT!

Welling wins hands down! :up:

[BareKnucklez]

Well theres one more thing Brandon has over Tom, Brandon's girl is a million times better looking than Tom's wife, wow;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/courntey.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/azuredivina/ComicCon%2006/DSC01618.jpg

He has good taste. :up:

lol yea but Tom really is married while Brandon is only dating this chick to cover you know what from the public... lol :p

[Silver Lad]

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[Silver Lad]

lol yea but Tom really is married while Brandon is only dating this chick to cover you know what from the public... lol :p

He was dating her before SR fool/

They did some indie film together prior also. Even before that, he was with some other girl Rachel Boston, but she sucked.

[KaptainKrypton]

First off all your out of your mind, 2nd off all your living in a fantasy world, and 3rd off all BRANDON ROUTH CANNOT ACT!

Welling wins hands down! :up:
I hope you're kidding. If not, then you should really have your meds upped. Welling has the emotional range of a lampshade and delivers lines like Shaq delivers free throws. Brick.

[casketmouth]

Why must you make me choose.


Brandon captured Reeve in that was very scarey and admirable, total fox.


and Mr. Socko has a point (party pooper :mad:)

Welling is not fully Superman :( so I guess that makes it easy ah



Brandon it is

but we don't care about capturing reeve, we care about capturing SUPERMAN

hell, the movie shoulda been named 'Christopher reeve returns'

[KaptainKrypton]

but we don't care about capturing reeve, we care about capturing SUPERMAN

hell, the movie shoulda been named 'Christopher reeve returns'
Reeve IS Superman. The quintissential portrayal by a landslide. If we're talking a choice between Routh choosing to play it like Reeve, or Welling trying to play it like a block of wood, guess which one I'm voting for?

[Silver Lad]

To me, Welling's Smallville portrayal captures the escence of Stuart the Man-baby perfectly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3v8JPnWQ0

It's uncanny.

[KalKai]

Routh's gf is exactly like Bosworth, pretty face and that's just it, she needs a burger, and looks aren't everything, different tastes.

Reeve was just an actor playing CK/Superman. Brandon wasn't playing Superman, he was trying to imitate Reeve, he didn't get the role because of his acting talent, he didn't bring anything new to the role.. so are all the future Superman actors going to imitate Reeve now? I hope not.

Great actor huh, point me to where this great acting is please because I didn't see any.

Brandon keeps saying that Reeve was his Superman in every interview, but that doesn't mean you have to copy & imitate his portrayal lol, he tried, but failed.

I'm glad that the general audience is interested in other things, and not this Superman.

[Vandal Savage]

Brandon pwnd Welling. Its pretty sad to see someone who just played the role for 2 hours get more critical praise from within the Superman fanbase compared to the guy that played it for 5 years. Frankly I wasnt even expecting this but its funny to see. Clearly theres something wrong with the guy that played it for 5 years.

As far as TV viewing and motion picture ticket sales go; apples and oranges.

The best way to compare revenues on fair ground is to wait and compare the Season 5 DVD sales with the Superman Returns DVD sales in the fall. In this case, consumers are actually making decisions to pay for the medium they prefer. There would still be an unfair advantage with Smallville being established for 5 years and Superman just coming out a few months prior, but it would be interesting to see.


About imitation of Reeve, there wasnt really much attempt at all to harken his performance aside from the physical resemblence (which was neccessary IMO since Chris looked the role more than anyone else).

Routh played a much darker Superman like the postcrisis version, in a soft spoken monotone voice. He was a jaded Superman who was trying to find his place in the world again and had alot of psychological issues involving his isolation and lonliness to deal with. It was alot like Dr Manhattan of The Watchmen who grew more distant from humanity as he became a god.

That was nothing like the Chris Reeve Superman who was more on the romantic/screwball comedy side.


Routh's Clark Kent was alot more subdued, blending into the background and quiet. He wasnt over-the-top and getting himself stuck in women's washroom doors like Reeve.

He wasnt drawing attention to himself as CK and it wasnt slapstick comedy at all....which was how Chris played it.

Storywise, there would need to be similarities between the 2, given the vague sequel, but performance wise, Brandon attempted to play it way different and it came off that way. Thats why hes cool.

[Super_Ludacris]

Neither are as good or as bad as many of you make them out to be....













































and Christian Bale in Equilibrum>>> Welling and Routh....just thought I'd put that out there

[Vandal Savage]

Just wait for the Batman/Superman movie when Brandon pwns Bale, Kryptonite or not.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/AgentMcGee/0608.png

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah...not gonna happen Courtney but thanks for posting on the Hype

[Vandal Savage]

Whats not gonna happen? You honestly think Batman has a chance in hell against Superman?

If anything... this Superman, who's powers are at godly levels. Batman may act more 'badass' but Supes could rip him into pieces.

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont care if Batman "has a chance against" Superman or not. For god sake there fictional characters anyone can write a story that goes either way. I just said Bale is the better actor than Routh and Welling and figured I'd put that out here in an otherwise tired recycled argument that has been banged on for 2 years now and in retrospective both the show and movie are ok and otherwise flawed to the extent that neither actor deserve to be slobbed on like they have the last few years. **** all that "godly powers" talk this isnt pre-school.

[Vandal Savage]

Dude I wasnt even talking about the acting, but ya, Bale is better for now. This was Brandon's first real gig/starring role. I think theres some room to grow even more.

[KON - EL]

Ok ive seen superman returns and it was good i loved it, but it was basically a sequel done 20 somethin years ago. which means to me brandon routh basically had to do the same thing christopher reeves did he couldnt be his own superman , and i know superman acts a certain way, but in the movie i dont think they allowed Routh to act to his full potential , he barley said anything. just the super facial expressions lol. He had to walk in reeves shoes which is really diffficult and i dont think he did it that well ,but i dont think its his fault i dont think he was allowed to make it his own role.

Now with Tom welling hes allowed to make the role his own. hes shown us a different clark and his superman would be a little different to because now he made his own clark so basically its not a fair fight. Even though im a Welling fan

[persiancat]

Well theres one more thing Brandon has over Tom, Brandon's girl is a million times better looking than Tom's wife, wow;
He has good taste. :up:

sounds evil.

[KaptainKrypton]

Neither are as good or as bad as many of you make them out to be....



and Christian Bale in Equilibrum>>> Welling and Routh....just thought I'd put that out there
Christian Bale has been acting in major films since he was a child. He'd better be better than both of them by now or he'd be a bigger lemon than my sister-in-law's new Kia.:up:

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Since I can't have Michael Keaton vs Christopher Reeve which to me would be the mother of all super-hero movies, I'd rather have THIS Superman vs Batman movie:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/Superman_Batman_liveaction.jpg

[Super_Ludacris]

Dude I wasnt even talking about the acting, but ya, Bale is better for now. This was Brandon's first real gig/starring role. I think theres some room to grow even more.

He wont he's Superman for life now, I dont think he'll get other roles or at least one's that really stand out

[Super_Ludacris]

Since I can't have Michael Keaton vs Christopher Reeve which to me would be the mother of all super-hero movies, I'd rather have THIS Superman vs Batman movie:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/Superman_Batman_liveaction.jpg


Is that the Joker with Batman in that pic....who is that clown?

[Super_Ludacris]

Since I can't have Michael Keaton vs Christopher Reeve which to me would be the mother of all super-hero movies, I'd rather have THIS Superman vs Batman movie:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/theartist29/Superman_Batman_liveaction.jpg


Is that the Joker with Batman in that pic....who is that clown?


kiddin people....

[Vandal Savage]

BB took place in 2005 as Nolan said, modern take in modern times. SV takes place in the present also.

During the summer that Batman Began, Bruce is near his 30s.....SV's Clark just turned 18. It doesnt fit at all. Theyre universes just dont mix well.

Theres only one real choice:

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/mmm55ti.jpg

From an interview with IESB in 2005, Bale said hes down with it but it wont happen for a long while till Batman is established.

Brandon is asked about it alot, and he said as long as they arent fighting each other for the whole film (ala Batman VS Superman script) hes down with it.

DC comics president Levitz stated the need for this to eventually happen, but said both Superman and Batman must first establish themselves on the big screen first.

I see it happening after both franchaises do about 2-3 films each.

[Vandal Savage]

Ahh this pic looks so much more Iconic with Kate Bosworth censored out;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/worldsfinestt-1.jpg

Add in Taylor Cole as WW

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Taylor%20Cole-2.jpg

And its the friggen DC trifecta.

[Super_Ludacris]

The way Nolan shot BB and Singer shot SR I would find it pretty difficult to belive see there in the same universe. Especially when one has a look and feel of various timelines in the characters history and was a sequel of sorts to another movie in another time and the other while it may look authentic isnt neccessairly in realtime but rather adheres to a real and gritty feel.

[Vandal Savage]

The way Nolan shot BB and Singer shot SR I would find it pretty difficult to belive see there in the same universe. Especially when one has a look and feel of various timelines in the characters history and was a sequel of sorts to another movie in another time and the other while it may look authentic isnt neccessairly in realtime but rather adheres to a real and gritty feel.

Ah thats where I disagree. Alot of people complain that SR looked too dark and gritty, too realistic. Most people were expecting it to look like the Max Flesher cartoon based on the early production photos, but it ended up looking like modern New York, mostly darkly shot. Very Very different from the bright 70s universe of the Donner films.

I think the one key positive that came from that approach is it fits into Batman Begin's universe pretty well, at least from a visual point of view. Gotham would obviously be even darker given the economic and corrupt state of that city, while Metropolis is pretty affluent and resembles pretty tightly what Gotham looked liked in the flashbacks to Bruce's childhood.

Storywise, Batman beginning during a time where Superman has been gone for an extended period, where the world has fallen into a darker state without the light; disasters, terrorism etc (wait for the cutscene on the SR dvd of Kent reading the newspaper and learning about all this crap that happened during his absense....they probably thought it was redundant with the scene of him flipping tv channels about this stuff) adds up.

They could easily write it so the emergence of Batman and the return of Superman acts as a positive force in a dark world that encourages more heroes to step up and make themselves known.

[Super_Ludacris]

Actually SR was anything but dark and gritty. It was classic light. Batman on the other was the literal definition of keeping it real and grimey. Maybe Superman Returns wasnt as light as other Superman films but it was still light in today's landscape on par with a Spider-Man

Gotham looks like a real city and doesnt have any gothic atmosphere like Burtons nor does it have as of yet that criminal induced insanity feel like in the comics. Metropolis definetly had a comic book feel especially in the sets (Daily Planet)

[Vandal Savage]

Actually SR was anything but dark and gritty. It was classic light. Batman on the other was the literal definition of keeping it real and grimey. Maybe Superman Returns wasnt as light as other Superman films but it was still light in today's landscape on par with a Spider-Man

Gotham looks like a real city and doesnt have any gothic atmosphere like Burtons nor does it have as of yet that criminal induced insanity feel like in the comics. Metropolis definetly had a comic book feel especially in the sets (Daily Planet)

I dont know about that. The Daily Planet looked like a classic deco building because it was built in 1938 in SR. Thats about it. In alot of the shots; the one where Superman is flying above the city landscape to go to Lois' house, you can see a wide view of the city....and it looks like a real city (mainly because of where it was shot, they couldnt make it look comicbook-like). It wasnt overly-stylized like the Burton films were.

Its really nowhere near Spiderman. I watched the 2nd one over yesterday and the city looks bright and artsy, like right out of a comic book. It was the ideal look that alot of fans wanted for SR but didnt get, but me personally, I liked a darker, more realistic look.

Everything in SR had a more toned down look, even the costume. Youve heard the endless fanboy whining about the colors, the darker colors. Personally I like it. It works better in a universe like this than bright red underwear.....

But you get the idea, they arent that different to the point where a talented director couldnt envision the two universes together. If Metropolis was any darker than it was presented, or grittier like Gotham in BB, it wouldnt be Metropolis anymore.

[Super_Ludacris]

The Spider-man and Superman Returns city landscapes looked the same. Real but pretty light for real

[Vandal Savage]

I'm watching SR over right now, I'll try to take some caps from the landscape shots.

So far, it looks like the Daily Planet is almost like a relic from out of time in alot of shots, like it doesnt blend well but the rest of the city looks contemporary, in fact that shot of him hovering above it just looks like Sydney or some random Australian city.. I dont think they were even trying to make it look different to the extent Raimi did. Singer has a very dark, realistic style in his films.

[Super_Ludacris]

Are you actually gonna post caps for the sake of this pointless debate?

My orignal point is that I dont think they can co-exist in a movie together even though I wouldnt mind seeing a Batman/Supeman film. Singer could do it maybe but he's waay too much into Superman and Nolan I dont know if he could grasp with the all colourful all-lightness fantasy of Superman like he did with dark/grittyness of Batman. Singer and Nolan did both characters well in there world but it could be a problem if they worked together and try to cross them over into one film. It's gotta have a strong script that appeals to both and no creative differences and that's easier said than done even with both of them.
I know for a fact that some people would complain that they may show one

[Vandal Savage]

People complain over anything, it doesnt stop movie makers. I do agree that the director of this shouldnt be Singer or Nolan, it should be one with a familiarity with both genres and a fresh prespective at the same time.

When Batman and Superman always meet, its a different dynamic that the 2 of them individually, so a new director for that project would be cool after Singer and Nolan complete their trilogies.

[Super_Ludacris]

People complain over anything, it doesnt stop movie makers. I do agree that the director of this shouldnt be Singer or Nolan, it should be one with a familiarity with both genres and a fresh prespective at the same time.
When Batman and Superman always meet, its a different dynamic that the 2 of them individually, so a new director for that project would be cool after Singer and Nolan complete their trilogies.

Like who?

[Vandal Savage]

I dont know, give me some time to think about it. One thing I know for sure is it wouldnt be the Wolfgang Peterson treatment, Routh seems to be against that versus concept crap.

[Gregorius]

I can't complain about Brandon Routh's performance. Actually, some plot elements and the downright hideous costume (what was Singer smoking when he approved that monstrosity?) disappoint me more than the casting.

Personally, I've been rooting for Tom Welling to put on the suit since day one. True, he may not have the chiseled look some of us find essential in Superman, if he can pull off a teenage Clark as well as he has, I think he could at least play a decent adult Superman. You have to consider that he looks boyish on Smallville partially because they put makeup on him to acheive just that effect. Try to picture him with much less youth-inducing makeup and maybe a tad bit of face-hardening makeup, and I think you'd have a good vision of what a TW Superman would look like. I really don't think it's fair to SV fans to present a compelling epic about Superman's coming-of-age only to deny us the pleasure of seeing this rich reinterpretation brought to its logical conclusion. It's almost a waste of all the effort and success that SV entails.

Regarding the comparative mood (light vs. dark) of recent superhero films, I must say I'm growing frustrated with the popular misconception that "contemporary" and "light" are mutually exclusive styles. In order for something to be considered really "modern" in the superhero genre anymore, it has little choice but to go the gritty, dismal route, and that's just not right. I'd be the last to advocate a return to the campiness of the '60s and '70s, but I think our tastes as a general public are beginning to shift too far to the other extreme. Batman may be the exception, since the very nature of the character entails a somewhat darker mood, but one of the things that's always appealed to me about Superman is that he's usually one of the more optimistic superheroes. Cynics ridicule him as an "overgrown boy scout," but the truth is that's exactly what he is and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[captain_jimbo]

I must admit, if I were Tom Welling I'd be so disappointed that I didn't get to wear the suit and play Superman in the movie.

[Deadman666]

I can't complain about Brandon Routh's performance. Actually, some plot elements and the downright hideous costume (what was Singer smoking when he approved that monstrosity?) disappoint me more than the casting.

Personally, I've been rooting for Tom Welling to put on the suit since day one. True, he may not have the chiseled look some of us find essential in Superman, if he can pull off a teenage Clark as well as he has, I think he could at least play a decent adult Superman. You have to consider that he looks boyish on Smallville partially because they put makeup on him to acheive just that effect. Try to picture him with much less youth-inducing makeup and maybe a tad bit of face-hardening makeup, and I think you'd have a good vision of what a TW Superman would look like. I really don't think it's fair to SV fans to present a compelling epic about Superman's coming-of-age only to deny us the pleasure of seeing this rich reinterpretation brought to its logical conclusion. It's almost a waste of all the effort and success that SV entails..

Tom looks 30ish, especially now. Way too old to be playing a teenager, so it works out. I think he may have the right look (obviously not the Chris Reeve Superman) but for his own Superman, like Dean Cain did...

But I can't honestly see him pulling off the Clark Kent/Superman duality as believeable while Brandon made them seem like two different people (probably thanks to Singer's direction as he goes for the realism factor):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4J79W6NCTk

That was what sold me about Brandon and why this was such a hard role to cast. Without even considering the major acting needed to pull it off, you also need someone with no real distinguishing features that blends into the background as Clark and can be made into a regal, powerful hero as Superman. It was tough.

I've seen Tom with glasses. Even facially, he looks the same and he has pretty noticeable exaggerated features; wide flared nostrils, huge lips etc. It would be pretty obvious to the people in Metropolis that his Clark and Superman are one in the same.


Regarding the comparative mood (light vs. dark) of recent superhero films, I must say I'm growing frustrated with the popular misconception that "contemporary" and "light" are mutually exclusive styles. In order for something to be considered really "modern" in the superhero genre anymore, it has little choice but to go the gritty, dismal route, and that's just not right. I'd be the last to advocate a return to the campiness of the '60s and '70s, but I think our tastes as a general public are beginning to shift too far to the other extreme. Batman may be the exception, since the very nature of the character entails a somewhat darker mood, but one of the things that's always appealed to me about Superman is that he's usually one of the more optimistic superheroes. Cynics ridicule him as an "overgrown boy scout," but the truth is that's exactly what he is and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You know Singer goes for that dark realism in all his movies. I think it will continue in the sequel but it will feel alot more justified given what is likely to be Brainiac in an action/scifi film, according to Singer at the con.

I commend him for trying to do something different with SR than his usual projects. To do a epic romance story thats more of an artsy flick than a summer popcorn one. But, I think he'll go back to his usual formula with the 2nd one. Some diversity isnt bad but it was risky to try something like this for the first film in the series.

However, Ive never seen a superhero film handled like SR so I'm grateful that it was at least attempted once in history.

[ReeveFan1978]

Brandon hands down.

Welling is more like a superboy.

EL