Will Darkseid work in Superman Movies?

[ervann]

I personally feel Darkseid will offer an amazing story and crazy action, blending Earth-based conflicts with sci-fi style battles. Superman literally has to save the world from annihilation. The ultimate defender.

But is it realistic to have this onscreen? Can movie-Superman become a sci-fi piece that deals with anti-life equations, omega effects and dimensional travels? It'll be a universe away from the Superman films we've come to know, including SR.

Brainiac and Metallo are probably villians in the movies. But Darkseid?

[Spike_x1]

Darkseid should stay the hell away from any Superman sequel. Not because 'Seid is a bad character. Quite the opposite, actually. It's because Darkseid and the whole Fourth World crew deserve their own movie(s). It's the only way to really capture the sheer scope to their universe. Cramming them into a Superman sequel where Superman would likely get 75% of the screen time would not do Kirby's characters any amount of justice at all. Darkseid and his cast would assuredly be limited to a mere shell of the character that he should be on screen, stripped to the bare basics.

With Gods and monsters fighting their war, Apokolips and New Genesis, the Anti-Life Equation, the Source Wall, fantastic technology, boom tubes, the Omega Effect, etc, a Fourth World movie would be like Star Wars on steroids.

I really don't see why Darkseid is needed in a Superman movie. I'd prefer to see Orion and Darkseid having a huge climactic battle in the movie's final act rather than Superman vs. Darkseid.

[dpm07]

Darkseid should stay the hell away from any Superman sequel. Not because 'Seid is a bad character. Quite the opposite, actually. It's because Darkseid and the whole Fourth World crew deserve their own movie(s). It's the only way to really capture the sheer scope to their universe. Cramming them into a Superman sequel where Superman would likely get 75% of the screen time would not do Kirby's characters any amount of justice at all. Darkseid and his cast would assuredly be limited to a mere shell of the character that he should be on screen, stripped to the bare basics.

With Gods and monsters fighting their war, Apokolips and New Genesis, the Anti-Life Equation, the Source Wall, fantastic technology, boom tubes, the Omega Effect, etc, a Fourth World movie would be like Star Wars on steroids.

I really don't see why Darkseid is needed in a Superman movie. I'd prefer to see Orion and Darkseid having a huge climactic battle in the movie's final act rather than Superman vs. Darkseid.

You make a fair argument. Personally however, I'd love to see Darkseid in a Superman film. One could always do a New Gods spin off of a Superman film as well by introducing Darkseid into Superman.

Here's one...Singerman could have Darkseid come to earth because he wants to kidnap Jason and raise him as his son, lol.

Seriously though, Darkseid could work if it were done in an Apokolips Now! or Legacy vein. However, you'll never see Singer put Darkseid in a Superman film. Most likely we'll see more Kryptonians. I wouldn't have a problem with introducing Kara, but more than likely we'll get a rehash of Superman II and they'll bring back Zod or a new Kryptonian family who wants to settle on Earth.

[GarudA]

I want Darkseid, you never know he could be popular like darth vader is, he has the same interesting thing about him.

[ervann]

...Most likely we'll see more Kryptonians. I wouldn't have a problem with introducing Kara, but more than likely we'll get a rehash of Superman II and they'll bring back Zod or a new Kryptonian family who wants to settle on Earth.

Lord, no......say it ain't true.

:(

[dpm07]

Lord, no......say it ain't true.

:(

Yeah, talk about dysfunctional families. A new Kryptonian family coming to the suberbs, and of course Superdad and Superson along with Mom Lois and her live-in lover Jason.

That's one to take back to the farm. I can just see everyone on Springer courtesy of Singerman. They can all share their feelings. :down

[Logan876]

[You make a fair argument. Personally however, I'd love to see Darkseid in a Superman film. One could always do a New Gods spin off of a Superman film as well by introducing Darkseid into Superman.

Here's one...Singerman could have Darkseid come to earth because he wants to kidnap Jason and raise him as his son, lol.

Seriously though, Darkseid could work if it were done in an Apokolips Now! or Legacy vein. However, you'll never see Singer put Darkseid in a Superman film. Most likely we'll see more Kryptonians. I wouldn't have a problem with introducing Kara, but more than likely we'll get a rehash of Superman II and they'll bring back Zod or a new Kryptonian family who wants to settle on Earth. ]



I'd love to see Darkseid in a Supes' film too! But I don't think that would happen with Singer at the helm. Singer is not that familiar with the Supes' comics like Raimi is to Spiderman. If there's gonna be a sequel, judging by SR, I think he's following the pattern with the Donner movies 'coz he love those movies like i do but Zod again?!


How about the other baddies? How about Metallo or Braniac? If Singer's really gonna bring back Zod, there should be another baddie at least joining forces with him, Luthor can make an appearance again, but another one or 2. Someone like mentioned above who's gonna give Supes a whoopin - a fight, physical confrontaion, hand to hand combat, aerial duel, what have you. Not the usual 'save the world from natural or mand-made disasters' like in SR. Supes can do more than that! :wolverine

[GarudA]

Another question is how would they make Darkseid look like on the big screen? same way in the comics?

[GL1]

Darkseid would have trouble working... mostly because, as a poster mentioned, his science is huge. Source Walls. Anti-Life Equations and the like. You can't wrap that around a personal narrative about fathers and sons and romance and personal struggle.

Also, while Darkseid is a very very cool character... his minions are wack (outside of their proper setting)... they need some hefty updating... perhaps if Darkseid had a hand in destroying Krypton Darkseid could carry some weight...

[ervann]

All in all, doesn't look good for Darkseid to make an entry, although I honestly think it'd be the most badass superhero flick ever.

Here's a guy who's hell bent on conquering Earth (for a very cool reason - anti-life equation) and humanity needs its greatest protector - an alien - to defend it.

But it'll definitely become an all-out sci-fi epic. Not exactly to the taste of Mr Singer's...(although isn't he a star trek fan?)

[GarudA]

All in all, doesn't look good for Darkseid to make an entry, although I honestly think it'd be the most badass superhero flick ever.

Here's a guy who's hell bent on conquering Earth (for a very cool reason - anti-life equation) and humanity needs its greatest protector - an alien - to defend it.

But it'll definitely become an all-out sci-fi epic. Not exactly to the taste of Mr Singer's...(although isn't he a star trek fan?)

Yes he is a huge Star Trek fan, he even made a appearence in Nemesis.

[dpm07]

All in all, doesn't look good for Darkseid to make an entry, although I honestly think it'd be the most badass superhero flick ever.

Here's a guy who's hell bent on conquering Earth (for a very cool reason - anti-life equation) and humanity needs its greatest protector - an alien - to defend it.

But it'll definitely become an all-out sci-fi epic. Not exactly to the taste of Mr Singer's...(although isn't he a star trek fan?)

Darkseid would work and be awesome. The thing with Darkseid is he is not in any way intimidated by Superman's power.

Furthermore, in the STAS Boxed set, on the commentary, Bruce Timm commented that Darkseid is the one guy who can get to Superman and push his buttons. Superman truly hates Darkseid. With Luthor, Superman is always trying to redeem him, but with Darkseid, there is no redemption. Darkseid truly represents everything Superman hates, and is one of the few people that can go head to head with Superman and not be intimidated.

I think Darkseid would work, but Singer's not the man to do that story. He just doesn't have the ability to do it. That would have to be better than anything he's done so far, and he really dropped the ball this time, and this was supposed to be his crown jewel.

A great trilogy would be:

1st Film: Luthor w/Metallo as his henchman and Mercy Greaves as his chauffeur and a mystery man calling the shots or creating a simultaneous natural disaster issue. Superman thinks its Luthor and it's not.
2nd Film: Brainiac comes to earth. Superman thinks he's the one behind the chaos. Luthor has a smaller role.
3rd Film: Darkseid plays his hand. Luthor sees that the fate of the world hangs in the balance, and helps Superman stop him in return for a pardon.

Just a rough. I have more, but it's not fleshed out. One thing's for sure, my Superman story or film idea would never have Superson in it.

Yeah, I'd love to see Darkseid.

However, knowing Singerman, he'll probably create a new villain that's Kryptonian, and give him a Zod theme. :down

[ervann]

Darkseid would work and be awesome. The thing with Darkseid is he is not in any way intimidated by Superman's power.

Furthermore, in the STAS Boxed set, on the commentary, Bruce Timm commented that Darkseid is the one guy who can get to Superman and push his buttons. Superman truly hates Darkseid. With Luthor, Superman is always trying to redeem him, but with Darkseid, there is no redemption. Darkseid truly represents everything Superman hates, and is one of the few people that can go head to head with Superman and not be intimidated.

I think Darkseid would work, but Singer's not the man to do that story. He just doesn't have the ability to do it. That would have to be better than anything he's done so far, and he really dropped the ball this time, and this was supposed to be his crown jewel.

A great trilogy would be:

1st Film: Luthor w/Metallo as his henchman and Mercy Greaves as his chauffeur and a mystery man calling the shots or creating a simultaneous natural disaster issue. Superman thinks its Luthor and it's not.
2nd Film: Brainiac comes to earth. Superman thinks he's the one behind the chaos. Luthor has a smaller role.
3rd Film: Darkseid plays his hand. Luthor sees that the fate of the world hangs in the balance, and helps Superman stop him in return for a pardon.

Just a rough. I have more, but it's not fleshed out. One thing's for sure, my Superman story or film idea would never have Superson in it.

Yeah, I'd love to see Darkseid.

However, knowing Singerman, he'll probably create a new villain that's Kryptonian, and give him a Zod theme. :down

You totally read my mind, man. I think we can be hopeful for Brainiac in the sequel, and I really want the ending to lead into Darkseid's introduction for the third film. It is truly a long shot and at this time I can't think of anyone who can pull it off. Sure, the comics writers can pen a great story with a strong screenwriter, but no director comes to mind.

And I want Superman beaten to the brink of death - physically. Perhaps he truly finds his place in humanity through the ordeal. Perhaps he will give up his life to prevent Earth from suffering Krypton's fate. One man against the might and legions of Darkseid, defending his adopted home. Humanity is finally inspired and Kal-El's calling heard. I dream of a Superman movie like that, and I continue to dream...

[Up Up & Oy Vey!]

No, not in the movies... leastways not before the New Gods movies.

[spideymusprime]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1300/untitled6yu.jpg

I'd sure love to see this!

[NotFadeAway]

Darkseid is just to big a bad ass to be in a Bryan Singer movie, although Id love to see an Apocalypse Now or Legacy style movie.

A good Superman/Darkseid movie would go a long way in making up for Superman Returns.

[dpm07]

Darkseid is just to big a bad ass to be in a Bryan Singer movie, although Id love to see an Apocalypse Now or Legacy style movie.

A good Superman/Darkseid movie would go a long way in making up for Superman Returns.

Definitely!

Then a trilogy with Superman could actually lead into a spinoff of The New Gods for those that want it.

Unfortunately, knowing Singerman, he just won't do it, because his ego won't allow it, and also it doesn't fit into the Donner style, nor does it make use of Superson.

I keep thinking this was all a bad dream and that Superson will just go away. Kind of like Chuck from Happy Days, lol. Ahh....wishful thinking that's highly unlikely with Singerman.

[NotFadeAway]

I was watching Apocalypse Now part 2 last night, and the scene after Dan Turbin was killed by Darkseid with Superman basically flipping out in anguish, and the following funeral scene with Superman standing over Turbin's grave were more emotional than anything Superman Returns had to offer....

It's a shame Singer can't see past Donner!!!

[Kroc1138]

Well I'd kill to see Darkseid on film. However, isn't it a bit presumptuous to say that Singer will never put Darkseid on film. Is there anything that indicates that he won't??

[dpm07]

I was watching Apocalypse Now part 2 last night, and the scene after Dan Turbin was killed by Darkseid with Superman basically flipping out in anguish, and the following funeral scene with Superman standing over Turbin's grave were more emotional than anything Superman Returns had to offer....

It's a shame Singer can't see past Donner!!!

Yeah, that was off the cuff sweet! :up:

Timm/Dini would rule with a live action Superman. I keep thinking what a trilogy of Superman would be like if they had done it. They do the best arcs and really make characters you can empathize with, and stories you want to see over and over. Just look at what they did with Apokolips Now! Legacy, A Better World, and Twilight of The Gods. If they wrote a story and had someone like the Wachowski's or M. Knight Shamalananawhatever direct it, it would be better than anything Singerman did with SR.

They would definitely blow Harris/Daugherty out of the water with their writing style. Of course, Singer's ego probably wouldn't allow them to be a part of things. I can't help but notice how he glosses over STAS and JL/JLU when talking about Superman. Those stories are amazing and timeless. They aren't as dated or wooden as what Singer did, and they make the material complement each other. The fact that he downplays Superman in STAS is sad. Those are really epic stories that had reverberations throughout the DCAU and were adult-themed to the point to really hook you, grab you, and leave you wanting more.

It was a sad day when SR was made because some of us saw the things we never wanted to see in a Superman film.

It was a sad day when the DCAU ended, because some of us saw things we would sadly never see again.

I do want to thank Singer for at least making me appreciate the work of the DCAU and Timm/Dini that much more.

[NotFadeAway]

Yeah, that was off the cuff sweet! :up:

Timm/Dini would rule with a live action Superman. I keep thinking what a trilogy of Superman would be like if they had done it. They do the best arcs and really make characters you can empathize with, and stories you want to see over and over. Just look at what they did with Apokolips Now! Legacy, A Better World, and Twilight of The Gods. If they wrote a story and had someone like the Wachowski's or M. Knight Shamalananawhatever direct it, it would be better than anything Singerman did with SR.

They would definitely blow Harris/Daugherty out of the water with their writing style. Of course, Singer's ego probably wouldn't allow them to be a part of things. I can't help but notice how he glosses over STAS and JL/JLU when talking about Superman. Those stories are amazing and timeless. They aren't as dated or wooden as what Singer did, and they make the material complement each other. The fact that he downplays Superman in STAS is sad. Those are really epic stories that had reverberations throughout the DCAU and were adult-themed to the point to really hook you, grab you, and leave you wanting more.

It was a sad day when SR was made because some of us saw the things we never wanted to see in a Superman film.

It was a sad day when the DCAU ended, because some of us saw things we would sadly never see again.

I do want to thank Singer for at least making me appreciate the work of the DCAU and Timm/Dini that much more.

Anything done by Timm/Dini blows away Dougherty/Harris. My dream Superman crew would be a script written by Paul Dini/Bruce Timm and directed by Peter Jackson. I would have at the very least liked to have Last Son Of Krypton adapted into a live action film, atleast.

Im disgusted that Singer breezes over anything post Donner, the stuff that actually gave Superman/Clark Kent a personality.

Singer made me realize as well how Ive taken people like Timm/Dini for granted, I never thought the days of wooden Superman would return, but thanks to Singer it is happening.

I just hope the comics are left out of this mess...

[GarudA]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1300/untitled6yu.jpg

I'd sure love to see this!

That pic of Superman looks like Superman. I think I might be the only one but to me Routh in that Suite just did not look or feel like Superman, well thats just me.

[GarudA]

Found this great pic, maybe they can make him look kind of like this?

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=7023405&uid=450444

http://pic17.picturetrail.com/VOL826/450444/7023405/90990086.jpg

[dpm07]

Anything done by Timm/Dini blows away Dougherty/Harris. My dream Superman crew would be a script written by Paul Dini/Bruce Timm and directed by Peter Jackson. I would have at the very least liked to have Last Son Of Krypton adapted into a live action film, atleast.

Im disgusted that Singer breezes over anything post Donner, the stuff that actually gave Superman/Clark Kent a personality.

Singer made me realize as well how Ive taken people like Timm/Dini for granted, I never thought the days of wooden Superman would return, but thanks to Singer it is happening.

I just hope the comics are left out of this mess...

Personally, I'd love to see Peter Jackson do Thor, but now that you mention it, he'd rock with Superman as well. Good call there! :up:

Yeah, the fact that Singer breezes over the other stuff that's post Donner is sad. You're right. The Post-Crisis Superman/Clark Kent was given a real personality with the stuff on L&C, as well as the DCAU by Timm/Dini.

Darkseid could work, and it could work well. Someone like Jackson could do it. He knows how to do great characterizations, great action, and a film with spectacular visuals and real epics. The cool thing about Jackson is you know you'd get a great film, and it wouldn't be short, lol. A long Superman film by Jackson would definitely be worth it. Throw in Darkseid and a writing treatment by Timm/Dini, and I'm there! :up:

Let's face it; They wouldn't do a worse job than Singer, and if they brought in Kara, I'd take her in the film to help out Superman more than I would want Superson Jason in the film. At least she's his cousin and has her own identity and can come and go. I'd also do a relaunch and bring back BOTH parents; Ma and Pa Kent.

[NotFadeAway]

Personally, I'd love to see Peter Jackson do Thor, but now that you mention it, he'd rock with Superman as well. Good call there! :up:

Yeah, the fact that Singer breezes over the other stuff that's post Donner is sad. You're right. The Post-Crisis Superman/Clark Kent was given a real personality with the stuff on L&C, as well as the DCAU by Timm/Dini.

Darkseid could work, and it could work well. Someone like Jackson could do it. He knows how to do great characterizations, great action, and a film with spectacular visuals and real epics. The cool thing about Jackson is you know you'd get a great film, and it wouldn't be short, lol. A long Superman film by Jackson would definitely be worth it. Throw in Darkseid and a writing treatment by Timm/Dini, and I'm there! :up:

Let's face it; They wouldn't do a worse job than Singer, and if they brought in Kara, I'd take her in the film to help out Superman more than I would want Superson Jason in the film. At least she's his cousin and has her own identity and can come and go. I'd also do a relaunch and bring back BOTH parents; Ma and Pa Kent.

Peter Jackson would do awesome with Thor. I never thought of that. Good idea:up:

Post crisis Clark Kent is the best. Dean Cain is still my favorite Clark Kent, people don't see to understand the show was ABOUT Lois and Clark, not Superman. Superman was kinda the character in the backdrop of the whole series.

Either a restart film with Peter Jackson directing and a script by Timm/Dini or a Superman/Darkseid film, in the vein of Apocalypse Now, are right up Jackson's alley. Nobody has captured human emotions and feelings in a fantasy world the way Jackson has. When I watched the first LOTR, I said to myself, that guy needs to do Superman. It would be a long film, but unlike Returns, it would have substance. Like we agreed on, the Returns story could have been huge, but Singer blew it by digging up Donner. Now they pretty much have to relaunch the franchise or deal with the reprecussions of the kid and Lois having a fiance.

You would basically have to kill the kid off do to natural causes and have Richard leave Lois and Metropolis in between films, and then have Darkseid show up with a grieving Superman being the only one who could stop him, while have Superman and Lois rekindle there love in the backdrop of the story, all the while giving Clark Kent a real personality and recasting the Daily Planet crew, seeing that this was the worst take on the Daily Planet ever.

[Timstuff]

I know some will cry blasphemy when I say this, but Darkseid is lame.

[dpm07]

Peter Jackson would do awesome with Thor. I never thought of that. Good idea:up:

Post crisis Clark Kent is the best. Dean Cain is still my favorite Clark Kent, people don't see to understand the show was ABOUT Lois and Clark, not Superman. Superman was kinda the character in the backdrop of the whole series.

Either a restart film with Peter Jackson directing and a script by Timm/Dini or a Superman/Darkseid film, in the vein of Apocalypse Now, are right up Jackson's alley. Nobody has captured human emotions and feelings in a fantasy world the way Jackson has. When I watched the first LOTR, I said to myself, that guy needs to do Superman. It would be a long film, but unlike Returns, it would have substance. Like we agreed on, the Returns story could have been huge, but Singer blew it by digging up Donner. Now they pretty much have to relaunch the franchise or deal with the reprecussions of the kid and Lois having a fiance.

You would basically have to kill the kid off do to natural causes and have Richard leave Lois and Metropolis in between films, and then have Darkseid show up with a grieving Superman being the only one who could stop him, while have Superman and Lois rekindle there love in the backdrop of the story, all the while giving Clark Kent a real personality and recasting the Daily Planet crew, seeing that this was the worst take on the Daily Planet ever.

Those are good ideas. Like I've said before, and I think you'll agree...Singer really dug a hole with this franchise by introducing the kid, and that's going to be tough for any director to erase.

The sad thing is, most directors are hesitant to kill a child and especially in a PG or Superman film. They hyped this film up so much, and it so underwhelmed. It's going to be tough to sell a sequel, and I hope IMDB is wrong, but it looks like Singer and his yes men are slated to direct and write the sequel.

If that's the case, we can kiss any opportunity of Darkseid away. For those that think WB will put Singer on a tighter leash, it's possible, but WB really doesn't care about the DC Heroes. They only care about the profit the heroes can make, and therefore that's why they own the monopoly on all the films that are made regarding those heroes. The heroes might get better treatement from other places, but you won't see WB give them up. It's unfortunate, too. Batman Begins got lucky with good writing and a director who didn't get micromanaged by WB. Singer had a lot of freedom, but after this film, WB will start micromanaging everything.

[NotFadeAway]

Those are good ideas. Like I've said before, and I think you'll agree...Singer really dug a hole with this franchise by introducing the kid, and that's going to be tough for any director to erase.

The sad thing is, most directors are hesitant to kill a child and especially in a PG or Superman film. They hyped this film up so much, and it so underwhelmed. It's going to be tough to sell a sequel, and I hope IMDB is wrong, but it looks like Singer and his yes men are slated to direct and write the sequel.

If that's the case, we can kiss any opportunity of Darkseid away. For those that think WB will put Singer on a tighter leash, it's possible, but WB really doesn't care about the DC Heroes. They only care about the profit the heroes can make, and therefore that's why they own the monopoly on all the films that are made regarding those heroes. The heroes might get better treatement from other places, but you won't see WB give them up. It's unfortunate, too. Batman Begins got lucky with good writing and a director who didn't get micromanaged by WB. Singer had a lot of freedom, but after this film, WB will start micromanaging everything.

Again Im in total agreement with you. Singer really screwed the Superman franchise with the kid, because now, unless you restart which won't happen for many years, you have to work around the kid. There is know way they would kill the kid on screen, therefor you could only have the kid die between movies.

I really hope Singer and co. get replaced with someone who wants to bring Superman into this generation, not continue to send it back in time. I don't care what anyone sayd, the next Superman film Singer makes, and the one after that, will all be the same thing, a Donner retread. Singer's story is Donner's story. There is no difference. And personally, Donner's story isn't the best. You can do better, there is proof, it's called the last 20 years.

They really need to come up with something big in the sequel, if there is one, and that should be Darkseid.

[GarudA]

I know some will cry blasphemy when I say this, but Darkseid is lame.

I think Pirates of the Caribbean is lame, but does anyone really care?

[dpm07]

I think Pirates of the Caribbean is lame, but does anyone really care?

I like Darkseid and Pirates, so I wonder if I'm lame or just in the middle? :confused:

[GarudA]

I like Darkseid and Pirates, so I wonder if I'm lame or just in the middle? :confused:

I was just saying, he pointed out that Darkseid was lame, but I think Pirates is lame, that no ones cares for mine or his opinion :)

[dpm07]

I was just saying, he pointed out that Darkseid was lame, but I think Pirates is lame, that no ones cares for mine or his opinion :)

Yeah, I know. I was just kidding. :)

I think since I like both, they cancel each other out, so I'm not lame. Yay, me! :p :up:

[The Overlord]

Well I'd kill to see Darkseid on film. However, isn't it a bit presumptuous to say that Singer will never put Darkseid on film. Is there anything that indicates that he won't??

You do realize that if they have darksied, there is no reason put Mongul in a film, because Mongul is the poor man's Darkseid.

[The Overlord]

Darkseid may be too epic and sweeping for a superman movie. If that is the case, they can always use Mongul, who is a less interesting, but less complex space tyrant.

[NotFadeAway]

Almost everything is to epic and sweeping for BRYAN SINGER!

[dpm07]

Almost everything is to epic and sweeping for BRYAN SINGER!

Yeah, too bad Donner didn't use Darkseid, or we'd have Bryan Singer doing him. Singer seems to worship that man like he's some kind of god or something.

[ervann]

Darkseid may be too epic and sweeping for a superman movie.

So...Superman movie should be less epic and sweeping than it can possibly be?

[ervann]

Well I'd kill to see Darkseid on film. However, isn't it a bit presumptuous to say that Singer will never put Darkseid on film. Is there anything that indicates that he won't??

Everything points to the reality that Singer has planned a trilogy based on Donner's work. Everything will be Earth-based. The sequel, if there's a supervillian, will basically be Superman II on steroids and today's CGI. He hasn't got the writers to do a story that encompasses the scale of Darkseid or even Mongul. And I bet he wouldn't even dare to go there cause it's possibly the most challenging superhero script ever.

[Billy Batson]

Found this great pic, maybe they can make him look kind of like this?

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=7023405&uid=450444

http://pic17.picturetrail.com/VOL826/450444/7023405/90990086.jpg

:up: x 5!!!!!
High Father plus Welling as SUPES!
MONEY $$$ Baby.
ALL HAIL LORD DARKSEID!

[Billy Batson]

Singer would just have Lex kill Darkseid.
Peter Jackson should direct the film with Darkseid.

[The Overlord]

So...Superman movie should be less epic and sweeping than it can possibly be?

No, its just that Darkseid has own corner of DCU independent of Superman, it may be hard to cram all of that into a Superman movie.

[Billy Batson]

Use the Animated Series story arch on Darkseid.

[Eros]

if BRYAN wants to add Darkseid and make it work he will, he already has directed the most crictically acliamed superhero movie in years. He really respects the superman charatcer, and im sure he will expand the mythos even further with the sequel.

[Billy Batson]

im sure he will expand the mythos even further with the sequel.
Why didn't he expand it with SR?
Why hack Donner's work?

[Eros]

Why didn't he expand it with SR?
Why hack Donner's work?

you didn't notice the kid, and the other stuff that were not in the donner films. The movie is called superman returns, its a way to reintroduce superman to the world his world and ours.

[The Overlord]

you didn't notice the kid, and the other stuff that were not in the donner films. The movie is called superman returns, its a way to reintroduce superman to the world his world and ours.

The kid sucked, the only new idea and it sucked. I hope the kid dies in the next film, I wopuld bring in darkseid, just to off him.

[Billy Batson]

you didn't notice the kid, and the other stuff that were not in the donner films. The movie is called superman returns, its a way to reintroduce superman to the world his world and ours.

reintroduce! Hell Superman never left! :mad:

[Billy Batson]

Reintroduce what SUPERMAN IV part2!

[Billy Batson]

Reintroduce Superman with the LATE GREAT Mr Reeve.
New Actor = NEW F'en Story. PERIOD!

[ervann]

My concern is that with Singer's version of Superman, a villian like Darkseid is probably too far-out to be incorporated, unless it's a majorly watered down version of Darkseid.

To Singer, Darkseid is probably too 'comics' for him. His Superman is grounded in a definite realism and 'real' issues.

Which is a damn shame. :mad:

[Billy Batson]

My concern is that with Singer's version of Superman, a villian like Darkseid is probably too far-out to be incorporated, unless it's a majorly watered down version of Darkseid.

To Singer, Darkseid is probably too 'comics' for him. His Superman is grounded in a definite realism and 'real' issues.

Which is a damn shame. :mad:

Realism? SUPERMAN is not real he's a COMICBOOK character for Pete's sake.
HOLY MOLY! it's not that complicated.
Realism is when your true to the comics.

[Spike_x1]

No, its just that Darkseid has own corner of DCU independent of Superman, it may be hard to cram all of that into a Superman movie.My thoughts as well.

The only way Darkseid would fit into a Superman sequel (and have the hero come out victorious in the end, as necessary) would be to either water down Darkseid significantly in order to give Superman a chance to beat him (ie: S:TAS, JL/JLU), or power up Superman while simultaneously, again, powering down Darkseid (ie: any recent Darkseid appearance in the comics). Personally, I don't want either or those. If Darkseid is going to be in a movie, I'd prefer to see him in all of his glory, and sadly, Superman would be completely eclipsed by the scope of Darkseid and his cast, and would be hopelessly overpowered by him.

The only way to really capture the awe and power that Darkseid should have under his belt, without stripping the character to the bone, would be to either have him as the villain in a JLA movie (despite what the DCAU tells you, Superman should never be capable of handling Darkseid alone), and that's really pushing it to the limits, or have a Fourth World movie that focuses mainly on the war between Apokolips and New Genesis, and puts emphasis on the prophesy that Orion will kill Darkseid.

[GL1]

I think saving Darkseid for a JLA movie would be great... yeah... definitely...

Can a movie work with two alien invasions at once? Hmmm...

[ervann]

I think saving Darkseid for a JLA movie would be great... yeah... definitely...

Can a movie work with two alien invasions at once? Hmmm...

A watered-down version of Darkseid for the sequel does not neccessarily have to mean he'll be lame. It'll depend on how well he is characterised, his motivation etc. Mind you, he can still be awesome. Main thing is to have him as an equal to Superman who is absolutely unintimidated.

The full-on Darkseid can come in a JLA flick. Magneto was never an awesome physical presence in the X-Men movies but there's such an aura around him and he always serves the plot well. And I bet he'll be alot more intimidating physically in the Magneto spin-off.

[Slipping_Halo]

I definitely think Darkseid is better suited for a JLA movie rather than just Superman. It's ten times more epic and powerful that way.

Although a movie featuring 7 superheroes (at least) and Darkseid, possibly New Genesis and Apokalips, the anti-life equation, and all that other stuff is just asking for trouble from Hollywood. There's no way they'd do it right, there's too much to screw up to not screw things up. They'll probably just make Darkseid a human dictator or some stupid shiet like that.

[Spike_x1]

A watered-down version of Darkseid for the sequel does not neccessarily have to mean he'll be lame. It'll depend on how well he is characterised, his motivation etc. Mind you, he can still be awesome. Main thing is to have him as an equal to Superman who is absolutely unintimidated.

The full-on Darkseid can come in a JLA flick. Magneto was never an awesome physical presence in the X-Men movies but there's such an aura around him and he always serves the plot well. And I bet he'll be alot more intimidating physically in the Magneto spin-off.But Darkseid should not be an equal to Superman. Going that route is very anticlimactic for fans of Darkseid who expect so much more from him. He should be much, much more powerful than Superman, not an equal. This is something that was shown fairly well in S:TAS (where Supes had to use Darkseid's own power against him in order to beat him). But in JL/JLU, it was kind of disappointing. Sure, the fights in Twilight and Destroyer were great fun to watch, but Superman never actually should've stood a chance in a prolonged one-on-one fist fight.

And I don't think anyone believes Darksied would be lame, even if he's watered down. It's just a matter of wanting to see him in all of his glory and see what he can really do on the big screen, much like what many people on these boards wanted to see from Superman in SR. Fans want to see what their favorite characters can actually do in live action. I mean, they probably could pull off 'Seid in a Superman sequel and still make him work, but not without watering him down to a very large degree, as in the DCAU. Hell, I'd still watch it and (assuming that he's handled with some amount of competence in an SR sequel) enjoy seeing him, but I'd much rather see a pure and unpussified version of Darkseid in a New Gods/Fourth World movie.

[ervann]

But Darkseid should not be an equal to Superman. Going that route is very anticlimactic for fans of Darkseid who expect so much more from him. He should be much, much more powerful than Superman, not an equal. This is something that was shown fairly well in S:TAS (where Supes had to use Darkseid's own power against him in order to beat him). But in JL/JLU, it was kind of disappointing. Sure, the fights in Twilight and Destroyer were great fun to watch, but Superman never actually should've stood a chance in a prolonged one-on-one fist fight.

And I don't think anyone believes Darksied would be lame, even if he's watered down. It's just a matter of wanting to see him in all of his glory and see what he can really do on the big screen, much like what many people on these boards wanted to see from Superman in SR. Fans want to see what their favorite characters can actually do in live action. I mean, they probably could pull off 'Seid in a Superman sequel and still make him work, but not without watering him down to a very large degree, as in the DCAU. Hell, I'd still watch it and (assuming that he's handled with some amount of competence in an SR sequel) enjoy seeing him, but I'd much rather see a pure and unpussified version of Darkseid in a New Gods/Fourth World movie.

Yeah you're right it would be much better (and more faithful) for Darkseid to be far stronger than Superman. Again, if done right this will totally blow audiences and fans away. It'd be a real departure from the Superman movies we've seen but all the better.

And being such a great villian it'd be good for WB to really test the character since so much could be built around him in future franchises.

[The Overlord]

But Darkseid should not be an equal to Superman. Going that route is very anticlimactic for fans of Darkseid who expect so much more from him. He should be much, much more powerful than Superman, not an equal. This is something that was shown fairly well in S:TAS (where Supes had to use Darkseid's own power against him in order to beat him). But in JL/JLU, it was kind of disappointing. Sure, the fights in Twilight and Destroyer were great fun to watch, but Superman never actually should've stood a chance in a prolonged one-on-one fist fight.

And I don't think anyone believes Darksied would be lame, even if he's watered down. It's just a matter of wanting to see him in all of his glory and see what he can really do on the big screen, much like what many people on these boards wanted to see from Superman in SR. Fans want to see what their favorite characters can actually do in live action. I mean, they probably could pull off 'Seid in a Superman sequel and still make him work, but not without watering him down to a very large degree, as in the DCAU. Hell, I'd still watch it and (assuming that he's handled with some amount of competence in an SR sequel) enjoy seeing him, but I'd much rather see a pure and unpussified version of Darkseid in a New Gods/Fourth World movie.

That is why perhaps Mongul should appear instead of Darkseid, Pre crisis Mongul was stronger than Superman, but still wasn't vastly more powerful than Superman, Superman could handle Mongul on his own. Mongul is less complicated than Darkseid, he doesn't have the large cast of supporting characters that Darkseid has or a bunch of concepts from a title other than Superman.

Mongul could still pose a great threat to superman though, he can have a huge invasion force, led by a gignatic warship called "War World" with a fleet a lesser space ships. You get the same basic concept as Darksied, a powerful alien tyrant with a massive invasion force, without the Forth World baggage.

[ervann]

The question still remains: How can a Superman movie make that transition into a full-on sci-fi epic?

I'm not sure if anyone feels the same as me, but it would just seem strange (especially after SR) for an alien invasion to be on the front page of the Daily Planet, when Superman has mostly been fighting crime, saving planes and natural disasters.

[The Overlord]

The question still remains: How can a Superman movie make that transition into a full-on sci-fi epic?

I'm not sure if anyone feels the same as me, but it would just seem strange (especially after SR) for an alien invasion to be on the front page of the Daily Planet, when Superman has mostly been fighting crime, saving planes and natural disasters.

Would you rather they not use cosmic villains like Brainiac, Mongul or Darkseid?

[Up Up & Oy Vey!]

IMO, Mongul is sort of lame.
Darkseid for New Gods.
Brainiac- That would work.

[The Overlord]

IMO, Mongul is sort of lame.
Darkseid for New Gods.
Brainiac- That would work.

Well Mongul is not as cool Darkseid, but he has his moments (For man who has everything, for example). But the fact is you want Superman to fight an alien tyrant with a huge army, Mongul would be easier than Darkseid to fit into a Superman movie. Brainiac, I think should be like his STAS version, a lone robot who destroys planets with his space ship, by himself, rather than just being a conqueror, though Brainiasc should be the first alien villain Superman should fight.

[GL1]

Spike... I've got a problem. I've SEEN Superman pull stuff out of his butt and beat Darkseid in combat before... in the comics. While Darkseid is very very powerful, is it really so impossible for Superman to rise to the occasion after years of rapidly gaining strength, speed and durability?

[ervann]

Would you rather they not use cosmic villains like Brainiac, Mongul or Darkseid?

Of course I'd like to see those guys in there, but it might need a quasi-reboot to really pull away from the Superman movies we've seen so far, even considering Superman II.

[Spike_x1]

Spike... I've got a problem. I've SEEN Superman pull stuff out of his butt and beat Darkseid in combat before... in the comics. While Darkseid is very very powerful, is it really so impossible for Superman to rise to the occasion after years of rapidly gaining strength, speed and durability?In modern comics, Darkseid has been watered down to an incredible degree. In "Our Worlds at War" Superman actually blocked the Omega Beams with his heat vision. Feats like that are really mind boggling and make no amount of sense whatsoever. His appearance in the recent Supergirl arc of Batman/Superman was also eyerollingly dumb. Darkseid has demonstrated before that he is very adept at telepathy and can read minds, so when Batman set the spores on Apokolips to detonate, I'm wondering why Darkseid simply didn't read Batman's mind for the code to deactivate the spores.

Yes, Superman has done some impressive feats in the past when up against Darkseid without watering the character down. Darkseid once shot the Omega Beams after him and the beams began to follow Superman everywhere. So Superman came up with a pretty clever idea to lead the beams right back to Darkseid, whom they struck. That was actually a very smart idea, but Darkseid just stood back up, stunned, but not anywhere close to being defeated.

The Omega Effect itself is enough to say that Superman doesn't stand a chance against Darkseid when being written properly. The Omega Effect once turned Slobo into a statue and sent him thousands of years into the future, just because he annoyed Darkseid. Even if Darkseid's body is destroyed, if the beams were fired prior to his (or his constructs') death, the beams will continue to search out their target (that moment in JLU: Destroyer where Batman avoids the beams is just silly). Hell, Darkseid once made the Spectre (the Hand of God) to cry out in pain with a blast of the Omega Beams. When the Spectre finally struck back and annihilated Darkseid's body, all of Apokolips shuddered, but Darkseid regenerated completely within seconds.

Taking into account the fact that Darkseid is stronger than Superman, the Omega Effect under his control, and the fact that he's got an entire planet with military forces beyond anything we've ever seen, and I don't think Superman stands a chance at all without pussifying Darkseid to the bone as the comics have done currently.

[ervann]

Taking into account the fact that Darkseid is stronger than Superman, the Omega Effect under his control, and the fact that he's got an entire planet with military forces beyond anything we've ever seen, and I don't think Superman stands a chance at all without pussifying Darkseid to the bone as the comics have done currently.

But isn't that what great storytelling and drama is about, esp in movies? That the hero doesn't stand A CHANCE (even when he is Superman) but somehow he finds way in the end to defeat the overwhelming threat, just enough to save another day?

It's ALL in the writing. Effective drama will overcome logic and law. STM's globe-turning feat is the perfect example.

[Spike_x1]

But isn't that what great storytelling and drama is about, esp in movies? That the hero doesn't stand A CHANCE (even when he is Superman) but somehow he finds way in the end to defeat the overwhelming threat, just enough to save another day?But without watering down Darkseid, Superman simply can't beat him. The best Superman would be able to do is somehow convince Darkseid to abandon his quest for earth's domination, and this would be a huge letdown to fans expecting action from a Superman movie (much the same way SR is a letdown for many people).

The a reason why Darkseid and many of the Fourth World cast are referred to as the "New Gods," and it's because they actually do have virtually omnipotent powers.It's ALL in the writing. Effective drama will overcome logic and law. STM's globe-turning feat is the perfect example.Very bad example, IMO. That time travelling feat specifically removed the drama of Lois' death in SM:TM. To this day, it makes audiences laugh at the absurdity of it. It's right up there with the cellophane \S/ shield and the amnesia kiss from Superman II.

[ervann]

That time travelling feat specifically removed the drama of Lois' death in SM:TM. To this day, it makes audiences laugh at the absurdity of it. It's right up there with the cellophane \S/ shield and the amnesia kiss from Superman II.

I actually think the globe-turning feat is the highest point of drama in ALL superman movies to-date, including SR. Yes, it is absurd, but I feel it served the dramatic purpose, that he would defy the voices of his ancestry and do the unthinkable to save the woman he loves. That instance, his strength and vunerability truly came to bear.

I can only speak for myself, but I think if an audience can only laugh at the absurdity of turning back the world by flying around it, then that audience don't get it.

[Spike_x1]

What the audiences don't understand about that feat is why Superman doesn't do it everytime something bad happens when he's was busy with something else. In SR, why doesn't he turn back time to stop Lex from stealing the kryptonian tech from the FOS? Why didn't he turn back time to stop the terrorists from setting up the nuclear bomb that freed the Phantom Zone criminals in Superman II? It just needlessly opens up a whole can of worms.

[retconned]

The question still remains: How can a Superman movie make that transition into a full-on sci-fi epic?

I'm not sure if anyone feels the same as me, but it would just seem strange (especially after SR) for an alien invasion to be on the front page of the Daily Planet, when Superman has mostly been fighting crime, saving planes and natural disasters.

You can blame Singer for this.

[dpm07]

You can blame Singer for this.

And the sad thing is that we'll probably get more of the same in the sequel from Singer and his whack pack Harris & Daugherty.

[retconned]

And the sad thing is that we'll probably get more of the same in the sequel from Singer and his whack pack Harris & Daugherty.

Ill put money down right now that we will see Zod, or some other Kryptonian based off of Zod, in the sequel, if there is a sequel. Great characters like Braniac, Darkseid, Metallo, Bizzaro, Parasite, or Lobo will never be seen on the big screen.

Again, my theory on the Superman's next big screen appearence is that Warner Brothers will make the Begins sequel, and then skip right to Batman/Superman, which team circle jerk better not have a single say in, or Ill kill them :)

Thats about the only way that Superman can movie past the crap in Returns, by doing the Worlds Finest movie and having Lana Lang as a love interest, wiht little Jason being an afterthought.

[The Overlord]

In modern comics, Darkseid has been watered down to an incredible degree. In "Our Worlds at War" Superman actually blocked the Omega Beams with his heat vision. Feats like that are really mind boggling and make no amount of sense whatsoever. His appearance in the recent Supergirl arc of Batman/Superman was also eyerollingly dumb. Darkseid has demonstrated before that he is very adept at telepathy and can read minds, so when Batman set the spores on Apokolips to detonate, I'm wondering why Darkseid simply didn't read Batman's mind for the code to deactivate the spores.

Yes, Superman has done some impressive feats in the past when up against Darkseid without watering the character down. Darkseid once shot the Omega Beams after him and the beams began to follow Superman everywhere. So Superman came up with a pretty clever idea to lead the beams right back to Darkseid, whom they struck. That was actually a very smart idea, but Darkseid just stood back up, stunned, but not anywhere close to being defeated.

The Omega Effect itself is enough to say that Superman doesn't stand a chance against Darkseid when being written properly. The Omega Effect once turned Slobo into a statue and sent him thousands of years into the future, just because he annoyed Darkseid. Even if Darkseid's body is destroyed, if the beams were fired prior to his (or his constructs') death, the beams will continue to search out their target (that moment in JLU: Destroyer where Batman avoids the beams is just silly). Hell, Darkseid once made the Spectre (the Hand of God) to cry out in pain with a blast of the Omega Beams. When the Spectre finally struck back and annihilated Darkseid's body, all of Apokolips shuddered, but Darkseid regenerated completely within seconds.

Taking into account the fact that Darkseid is stronger than Superman, the Omega Effect under his control, and the fact that he's got an entire planet with military forces beyond anything we've ever seen, and I don't think Superman stands a chance at all without pussifying Darkseid to the bone as the comics have done currently.

If you don't want a watered down version of Darkseid to appear, would you rather Mongul appear (he is already a water down version of Darkseid)?

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Bill Nighy for Darkseid. :D

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Darkseid is the ultimate badguy and Superman is the greatest superhero. Having the two meet onscreen should be the aim of the ppl making Superman movies. You could be vague about the whole Darkseid being a god and maybe mention that his own people consider him a god. It could be similiar to R'as mentioning that he's immortal in Begins.

[GarudA]

Darkseid is the ultimate badguy and Superman is the greatest superhero. Having the two meet onscreen should be the aim of the ppl making Superman movies. You could be vague about the whole Darkseid being a god and maybe mention that his own people consider him a god. It could be similiar to R'as mentioning that he's immortal in Begins.

Like someone already mentioned Darkseid is to much of a badass for Singer to even think about.

I say bring on the Darkseid.

[dpm07]

Like someone already mentioned Darkseid is to much of a badass for Singer to even think about.

I say bring on the Darkseid.

Everything you said is dead on right!

However, with Singer at the helm, there's no way we'll ever see Darkseid because it doesn't fit into his realistic portrayal. If anything, we'll be lucky to get any villains who are not Kryptonian.

[Lobo]

I love Darkseid and would love to see him on film, but as Spike said on the first page of this thread the New Gods deserve there own movie IMO. I'd like to see Mongul you could do a lot of the same things with him that you could do with Darkseid in a Supes movie. Have Mongul come to Earth wanting to turn it into his new Warworld.

Zod and Co will NOT be in the sequel Harris and Dougherty have even said Superman needs to fight a superpowered villain in the sequels and I quote "I dont mean three rogue kryptonians who escaped from the phantom zone"

[Hunter Rider]

Anything can work onscreen with the right creativity however i don't think he will be a villain Singer would consider

[GarudA]

Everything you said is dead on right!

However, with Singer at the helm, there's no way we'll ever see Darkseid because it doesn't fit into his realistic portrayal. If anything, we'll be lucky to get any villains who are not Kryptonian.

It really is sad that we might never see Darkseid on the big screen :down , I just believe he could be one of the biggest villains to ever appear on the big screen even bigger then Zod. Knowing Singer if he ever did Darkseid he would end up ruining him as well, make him look different and like crap. So it might be better of that Singer leaves him alone.

[dpm07]

I love Darkseid and would love to see him on film, but as Spike said on the first page of this thread the New Gods deserve there own movie IMO. I'd like to see Mongul you could do a lot of the same things with him that you could do with Darkseid in a Supes movie. Have Mongul come to Earth wanting to turn it into his new Warworld.

Zod and Co will NOT be in the sequel Harris and Dougherty have even said Superman needs to fight a superpowered villain in the sequels and I quote "I dont mean three rogue kryptonians who escaped from the phantom zone"

I hope you're right, because it's going to really take a lot to get mainstream audiences to warm up to another Superman film after what is being seen on-screen with Superman Returns. This film really hasn't resonated with the fans as a whole in the way many thought it might, and with POTC 2 out this weekend, it really seems to have lost a lot of momentum. For a film that came out a few days before the holiday, it really didn't capture the filmgoer in a fashion that was expected.

I've seen both films, and I left POTC 2 wanting more, and I didn't really feel that way after leaving SR. I don't know if it was the lack of the action, or him having a kid in the film.

[Lobo]

It was probably the kid. Just wondering what did you think of Routh? Personally I enjoyed the film

[dpm07]

It was probably the kid. Just wondering what did you think of Routh? Personally I enjoyed the film

While I had reservations initially with Routh, and I really don't he's a great actor as evidenced by his limited talking on-screen, he wasn't bad. He wasn't my first or second choice for a Superman, but he did a decent job. My issues with the film are more in line with Singer and his approach, most notably the story. The concept of the return was great as were the allegorical metaphors, but overall, the story to me at least was rather underwhelming. I guess I expected more from Superman with today's capability and technology, and felt bummed that for me it didn't deliver. I felt that Keanu Reeves as Neo in the Matrix films was more like Superman than Superman himself. Again, for me it goes back to the story.

Routh would have done much better with a better story and script. I don't fault him with this, but rather Singer and his associates.

[thorstone]

I originally thought it would be easier to explain Darkseid as a clone of Zod but after thinking about it, it would make a better story for him to be an imperfect clone of...

http://www.menziesera.com/people/images/brando_apocalypse.jpg

[The Overlord]

I originally thought it would be easier to explain Darkseid as a clone of Zod but after thinking about it, it would make a better story for him to be an imperfect clone of...

http://www.menziesera.com/people/images/brando_apocalypse.jpg

Darkseid a failed Jor-El clone, instead a powerful god/tyrant conqueror? Lame!

[ervann]

I don't think audiences will be ready for Darkseid in the sequel. Deal with Brainiac or Metallo with Luthor pulling the strings, and set things up for Darkseid in part 3.

Heck if Singer really plans to kill of Superman and have the damn kid take over then at least Darkseid do it.

[Batx69]

Thorstone for the good of humanity and the gene pool castrate yourself right now. Making DarkSeid JUST a superman villian is a disservers to both 4th world and Jack Kirby

[dpm07]

Thorstone for the good of humanity and the gene pool castrate yourself right now. Making DarkSeid JUST a superman villian is a disservers to both 4th world and Jack Kirby

Not it's not a disservice. It's actually a credit. A New Gods spin-off from a Superman film would work as it would indoctrinate the mainstream to who the New Gods were.

This would work. I endorse it.

[retconned]

While I had reservations initially with Routh, and I really don't he's a great actor as evidenced by his limited talking on-screen, he wasn't bad. He wasn't my first or second choice for a Superman, but he did a decent job. My issues with the film are more in line with Singer and his approach, most notably the story. The concept of the return was great as were the allegorical metaphors, but overall, the story to me at least was rather underwhelming. I guess I expected more from Superman with today's capability and technology, and felt bummed that for me it didn't deliver. I felt that Keanu Reeves as Neo in the Matrix films was more like Superman than Superman himself. Again, for me it goes back to the story.

Routh would have done much better with a better story and script. I don't fault him with this, but rather Singer and his associates.

Im with you all the way man. I actually stood up for this film before it came out, but Singer and his wack pack totally let me down. Im all for restarting the franchise with a new director and new writers.

[Spike_x1]

If you don't want a watered down version of Darkseid to appear, would you rather Mongul appear (he is already a water down version of Darkseid)?I would welcome Mongul in a Superman movie with open arms. He is essentially what people here want to see Superman fight in a sequel: an intersteller conquerer trying to invade Earth with an army, and he can give one helluva superpowered battle on the big screen. :up::up:

From what I can gather, posters here basically want the watered down Darkseid from the DCAU that Superman actually stands a chance at beating, and Mongul fits that bill perfectly.

[thorstone]

The New Gods concept will never translate to film, give that one up; if you want to see Darkseid, you have to look for simpler ways of bringing in the character. It is already a difficult enough task. There is no time for New Genesis and Apokolips, their war, or their people; just like they would never bring up Bizarro World if doing a Bizarro type character...they would simply just make him an imperfect clone, no blue kryptonite, and no laughable speech.

Also, the people of New Gen and Apok are as flat, boring, and as laughable as the exaggerated characters of Bizarro World. Beyond all that you might as well call New Genesis, Planet Xenophobe.

[The Overlord]

The New Gods concept will never translate to film, give that one up; if you want to see Darkseid, you have to look for simpler ways of bringing in the character. It is already a difficult enough task. There is no time for New Genesis and Apokolips, their war, or their people; just like they would never bring up Bizarro World if doing a Bizarro type character...they would simply just make him an imperfect clone, no blue kryptonite, and no laughable speech.

Also, the people of New Gen and Apok are as flat, boring, and as laughable as the exaggerated characters of Bizarro World. Beyond all that you might as well call New Genesis, Planet Xenophobe.

Bah, if Darksied cannot be properly translated to a the Superman film franchise, then he shouldn't be translated to the Superman film franchise. Mongul is essentically a watered down Darkseid without the complicated back story, I would rather see Mongul, then some retarded version of Darksied, who is nothing more than a failed Jor-El clone.

[Hypestyle]

I’d love to see Darkseid, but only done in the proper way.. It would be a nice way to set up a New Gods/4th World spinoff film, but I wouldn’t want to see a Superman/Orion team up..

[thorstone]

Him being a clone of Superman's father would give him plenty of power and a more understandable motive for traveling all the way across the galaxy to kill Superman. And it would create issues for Superman who would have to kill all that is left of his father.

[Batx69]

Thorstone that is shuemacher level retarded, please go castrate yourself

[The Overlord]

Him being a clone of Superman's father would give him plenty of power and a more understandable motive for traveling all the way across the galaxy to kill Superman. And it would create issues for Superman who would have to kill all that is left of his father.

Superman already has a failed clone villain, Bizzarro. Plus one of the impressive things about Darkseid is he has a whole planet backing him up which wouldn't be the case with a Jor-El clone. Darksied has a rich history in the comics and if they are going to ignore it favour of some Jor-El clone, then just don't use Darkseid in the Superman movie. Make Doomsday a Jor-El clone, if you must, he is nothing more than a plot device and comes from Krypton in the comics, he is a character I don't give damn about, so I don't care if he is ruined.

[thorstone]

Superman already has a failed clone villain, Bizzarro. Plus one of the impressive things about Darkseid is he has a whole planet backing him up which wouldn't be the case with a Jor-El clone. Darksied has a rich history in the comics and if they are going to ignore it favour of some Jor-El clone, then just don't use Darkseid in the Superman movie. Make Doomsday a Jor-El clone, if you must, he is nothing more than a plot device and comes from Krypton in the comics, he is a character I don't give damn about, so I don't care if he is ruined.

But I kinda figured that Doomsday would then look more like Darkseid than anyone else they try to make him. Brando has the most perfect look for the character (they would have to do a Vader type voice using a different actor either way, you can bring his image back with special effects but you can't make a dead man speak).

My nightmare would be for them to merge Doomsday and Darkseid into one character.

[Batx69]

If its your nightmare, why the hell did you sugest it with your your bizzaro/doomsday/darksied idea?

[Lobo]

I would welcome Mongul in a Superman movie with open arms. He is essentially what people here want to see Superman fight in a sequel: an intersteller conquerer trying to invade Earth with an army, and he can give one helluva superpowered battle on the big screen. :up::up:

From what I can gather, posters here basically want the watered down Darkseid from the DCAU that Superman actually stands a chance at beating, and Mongul fits that bill perfectly.


Exactly :up: :up: For the Man who has everything, is probably my favorite Superman story as well


The New Gods would translate perfectly to film, the prallels to Star Wars are uncanny and we all know how big that franchise is ;).

[thorstone]

If its your nightmare, why the hell did you sugest it with your your bizzaro/doomsday/darksied idea?

I didn't suggest making Darkseid and Doomsday the same character. I suggested their origins be inorganic clones.

I would instead imagine Singer is going to use the crystal tech to explain any inorganic lifeforms. Also, I wouldn't actually openly name the characters in the movie Bizarro or Doomsday. At most, headlines reading Doomsday Arrives or something similar.

[thorstone]

The critics would jump all over the biblically titled planets and biblically themed characters. It wouldn't be long before someone on cable news would be saying the word anti-semite. I mean, have you watched the news lately? Have you watched it today? The US vetoed UN sanctions and now, for the first time in 24 years, it's out and out war.

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/silverage/Apokolyps-NewGods01.JPG

I'm a fan of the allusions to Norse mythology, but it could be done in bad taste. Some people are going to see gleaming blonde glorified Nazi's, others are going to see Apokolips as code for the middle east in general or specifically muslim countries with a lot of oil (and zero peace). I just feel that that back story could be left open for a prequel. The audience is introduced to Darkseid with just enough information so that the character, like Magneto, could have an entire history to be told. If they tried to cram it all into a Superman movie, I have no faith in it being done correctly.

It is like in Xmen, the fans know Mystique is the mother of Nightcrawler, but they never address it in the film. There are certain levels you can go with film where you can speak in the subtext to the audience who knows the mythology. Darkseid's life story does not need to be told in a Superman movie...a better example; it would be like if, in twenty years they restarted the Spiderman films, and one of the villains were the Hulk. Such movie would not be consumed by the Hulk, it would still be a Spiderman movie, but Hulk, being the icon he is, would make the ultimate villain (and set up a decent Hulk movie afterwards).

There are some characters that could be brought in with Darkseid as allusions to Kirby's twin worlds.

Example: Raker Qarrigat

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Qarrigatakopolips.jpg

[Style 92]

Darkseid would need more than one movie to set up. It would be great if he were set up across a lot of dC movies, then had a show down with Superman.

Maybe do a Martian Manhunter movie that sets up Kanto?

[SatEL]

Anything done by Timm/Dini blows away Dougherty/Harris. My dream Superman crew would be a script written by Paul Dini/Bruce Timm and directed by Peter Jackson.


:up: I cant stop freaking out thinking if those guys where ever given the chance i mean can you imagine Jacksons Metropolis .

[ervann]

:up: I cant stop freaking out thinking if those guys where ever given the chance i mean can you imagine Jacksons Metropolis .

Jackson/Weta or James Cameron/ILM + Williams' score = :up:

I don't want another director taking the character so personally - it's not good. He thinks the audience will see what HE wants to see. It's the same reason why Kong didn't feel 100% right. Jackson has too much reverence to the material.

[GL1]

Doomsday demands a chunk of movie to himself... if they can't give time to show Apokalips for what it is, and the technology of Boom Tubes, Mother Boxes and the Omega effect, and make parademons look cool, they can't use Darkseid...

[The Punisher]

I could see Darkseid in a third film, if it happens. For the sequel though, i want Brainiac.

[geomon]

You are all dreaming if you think you're going to see a serious take on any of villains from Supes rogues gallery. You couldn't even get a real Luthor. I can't imagine how stupid a Darkseid or Brainiac would look on film with these hack writers.

[Hunter Rider]

Does anyone know about WB supposedly not having the rites to use Darkseid ?

[DarKush]

One way to bring Darkseid in is to connect him to Superman's five-year space jaunt.

Maybe he encountered Darkseid along the way. Perhaps he helped liberate Apokolips or depose Darkseid, and Darkseid followed him to Earth for revenge.

That way you can keep Darkseid extraterrestrial, but a bit mysterious and not bring in the New Gods backstory.