Singer Directing The Sequel, Yes Or No?

[SUPERSEBAS]

Hello everybody! I read a lot of fan critics, and I surprise that a lot of big fans of superman, says that the movie is good, but is not Great! and there are a lot of people that dosent like the movie, only a 30 % ( approximately) says that the movie is AMAZING!

So afther all this, I would like to know! , Fans want SINGER DIRECTING THE SEQUEL?

[ampersand]

Yes or Not?

[ShadowBoxing]

Considering his X-Men was good but not great, while his X2 really hit home and based itself on a classic storyline. I want to see exactly what he'll do with number 2. Seemed like second time was the charm for him last time.

[Kane]

Absolutely Singer should direct it.

The sequel will be more cost effective (cheaper to film than this) since alot of production elements are already designed from the first film. Brandon said on Letterman, it should be cheaper to film.

Singer needs to continue the story he layed out in SR. He seems to have an exact vision of where hes taking it and I want to see it play out instead of risking an X3.

The tone of SR should be maintained for the sequel. I like it. Its mature, serious and heartfelt and even if that doesnt draw the little kids in for the big bucks, as long as the sequel breaks even or makes some profit with their reduced budget....thats all that matters.

I wouldnt want to see quality sacrified for $$$ greed.

[kal-el2006]

Hell yes..with a captial H

[GarudA]

Please NO, We will end up with a Zod and Co. sequal.

[Kane]

The writers said at Moviehole.com that they have no intentions to use Zod in the sequels.

But they said they may want to deal with the theme of possible Kryptonian survivors that arent Zod.

I guess that ties into the mystery of the 'astronomers discovered remains of Krypton' part from SR that they set up.

Curious to see how it plays out.

[DorkyFresh]

i'd love for Singer to direct the sequel. he showed that he CAN make a great Superman flick with the heart and soul that Superman deserves to be made with. Singer will always be welcomed by this Superman fan...

[Ulic Queldroma]

Going with a different director always works (note the sarcasm). Honestly even if this one wasn't as good as some people expected it to be (I loved it by the way) no one can deny that changing director would spell death for the series. The only reason Superman II is considered good in my book is because Donner's work is still eveident in some scenes and you can tell where the came in and camped it up with Lester's direction. Every franchise that has gone that way has ended badly, Superman, Batman and X-men. If it ain't broke, don't even try to fix it.

[Bale]

NO DAMN ZOD, no Luthor anymore. It was great for this movie, but enough is enough.

They should listen to the Fans ! Brainiac,Metallo,Darkseid,Bizzaro and Doomsday and lots of ACTION, no softcock more Testosteron. Mega - Fights, Metropolis destroyed and new authors.

[Angel Of Dark]

Damn straight Singer should direct it......... anyone who voted No, are either worried about the Zod thing, or are still bitter about the hole x3 thing

[NateGray]

Damn straight Singer should direct it......... anyone who voted No, are either worried about the Zod thing, or are still bitter about the hole x3 thing

Hmmm or we have minds of our own and think he is not the great director you seem to think he is.
While I think Xmen and SR are good films they should and could have been great films if he cared about all the source material not just bits and parts of it.
And some of us do not really want our comic book hero's humanized we like them as iconic COMIC BOOK HERO'S you know a flying storm from day one....A more original superman story based of the comics or heck even STAS etc etc etc....

[DorkyFresh]

it's simple....Superman Returns = X-Men, Superman Returns Sequel = X2. as we all know...X2 was TONS better than X-Men. if Singer directs the Superman Returns Sequel it will be tons better than Superman Returns.

[Bale]

Hmmm or we have minds of our own and think he is not the great director you seem to think he is.
While I think Xmen and SR are good films they should and could have been great films if he cared about all the source material not just bits and parts of it.
And some of us do not really want our comic book hero's humanized we like them as iconic COMIC BOOK HERO'S you know a flying storm from day one....A more original superman story based of the comics or heck even STAS etc etc etc....:up:

YES, Superman returns is GOOD, but bring the MAN back, the MAN damn.

He should do good ass kicking, if Singer is capable of bring in Metallo,Brainiac,Bizarro and do a FUN-Action packed Testosteron Movie , no one will talk about gayness.
Spider Man 2 was fun, while Spidey 1 was not that great....hopefully Singer can show some good action elements, some hyperextension FIGHTS. Thats Superman, an icon. If he is not capable of hire Sam Raimi,J.J.Abrams..

[Kane]

Clearly Singer is capable. There were some sic Mutant vs Mutant fights in X-men along with that awesome Nightcrawler seqeunce.

He simply just wanted the first film to have Lex Luthor VS Superman..... and not Superman VS a supervillian with Lex taking a backseat...

[kal-el2006]

hell u could bring lex back since he isnt dead but just not that much screen time (although i dont mind lex being back he was awesome!)..make it a two villian flick this time

[Angel Of Dark]

Hmmm or we have minds of our own and think he is not the great director you seem to think he is.
While I think Xmen and SR are good films they should and could have been great films if he cared about all the source material not just bits and parts of it.
And some of us do not really want our comic book hero's humanized we like them as iconic COMIC BOOK HERO'S you know a flying storm from day one....A more original superman story based of the comics or heck even STAS etc etc etc....

IMO, I like my Superhero's humanized...... you can relate to them better...

[Bale]

Clearly Singer is capable. There were some sic Mutant vs Mutant fights in X-men along with that awesome Nightcrawler seqeunce.

He simply just wanted the first film to have Lex Luthor VS Superman..... and not Superman VS a supervillian with Lex taking a backseat...

Why not ? METALLO like in the John Byrne Man of Steel days, with a green Kryptonite in....
think that would have worked better than those henchman, the one Indian guy and those others.
Metallo and Lex would have worked good together. The Fans missed a superherovillain, really.

For the lack of superherovillains, we want 2 see at least 2 or 3 supervillains in Superman 2 (by Singer?) like in Spider - Man 3. There is so much money (260 Million dollar production budget) and no superherovillain like Doomsday,Metallo,Brainiac in

Fans should do some Lobby work for supervillains,big fights, cmon the movie was good, but I missed NEW FACES, supervillains. I dont want to see a Remake Donner film again and again. Why honor Donner ? Do your own thing, damn.
Singer do your own thing, listen to the Fans and everything is o.k.

I think the authors arent that good, bring in John Byrne or someone else who just reads Superman Comics everyday and knows what to do.
Singer is a great director, but the sequel needs improvement.

[dpm07]

Why not ? METALLO like in the John Byrne Man of Steel days, with a green Kryptonite in....
think that would have worked better than those henchman, the one Indian guy and those others.
Metallo and Lex would have worked good together. The Fans missed a superherovillain, really.

For the lack of superherovillains, we want 2 see at least 2 or 3 supervillains in Superman 2 (by Singer?) like in Spider - Man 3. There is so much money (260 Million dollar production budget) and no superherovillain like Doomsday,Metallo,Brainiac in

Fans should do some Lobby work for supervillains,big fights, cmon the movie was good, but I missed NEW FACES, supervillains. I dont want to see a Remake Donner film again and again. Why honor Donner ? Do your own thing, damn.
Singer do your own thing, listen to the Fans and everything is o.k.

I think the authors arent that good, bring in John Byrne or someone else who just reads Superman Comics everyday and knows what to do.
Singer is a great director, but the sequel needs improvement.

Singer won't listen to the fans. He didn't in the X-Men films, and he didn't in Superman. He's going to do what he's going to do. It's sad, but true.

[GarudA]

If singer does get to do the 2nd one, he better get NEW writers, the current ones need a slap.

[DorkyFresh]

Singer won't listen to the fans. He didn't in the X-Men films, and he didn't in Superman. He's going to do what he's going to do. It's sad, but true.

i'm glad he doesn't listen to the fans (to an extent)....if he did what the fans wanted, we would've probably had a Superman that's similar to Sandy Collora's Superman from his World's Finest trailer.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

I woudln't care if he directed it but he needs to do 2 things.

Cut out alot of the mush mush with Lois. Ok its established that he's back & they really aren't or can't be together because of Richard.

2. MORE ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ervann]

If singer does get to do the 2nd one, he better get NEW writers, the current ones need a slap.

Totally. Took all the best bits from Donner's films. I couldn't believe some of the dialogue at times. Dull to the core.

[Bale]

If singer does get to do the 2nd one, he better get NEW writers, the current ones need a slap.

yeah, the writers should read some comics and less Bold and Beatiful.

They should hire John Byrne,David Goyer or someone who reads comics.
The movie is good, needs improvement for the sequel and more supervillains, at least 2-3 superherovillains:

1. Brainiac
2. Metallo
3. Bizarro
4. Darkseid
5. Doomsday

The best thing is bring em all and do a Action packed movie. No conversation, just ass kicking action.

[Kane]

The best thing is bring em all and do a Action packed movie. No conversation, just ass kicking action.

You mean X3?

[Bale]

Singer won't listen to the fans. He didn't in the X-Men films, and he didn't in Superman. He's going to do what he's going to do. It's sad, but true.

There is the big Father called WARNER........if he likes to have Lex Luthor again in the sequel, they should kick him, sorry.

Enough is enough, no more Donner Hommage, no more Luthor. Enough is enough.
Look at Raimi whats he doing, think he is the best thing happened to Spider-Man. He is the greatest Spider-Man director they could get, all those villains, it feels like a comic book with all those Fun action packed supervillains.

The Sequel needs a KICK and more than that...

[The Kid]

Maybe a new director would be the way to go... I'm not really interested in his superman story.

[Bale]

You mean X3?

The "no conversation" was fun, but certainly X - 3 worked for me on an action based fun Level. Not that deep into character, but Ratner produced FUN. The kids liked it.

[Pittman4Two]

You people keep crying about action. The first, and best, film of the franchise had LITTLE action.

This movie was awesome.

Singer's cinematography was really poetic. A perfect example is Supes falling back to earth as we get a POV of people on the ground watching him fall with dead silence.

I'm all for Singer returning.

[Gamma Ray]

Guaranteed YES.

[musclesforsupes]

I believe its to hard to tell right now, in another 3 wks we should know something I would think. Its a given with POTC coming out this week, that the film is gonna have a 60-70 % drop in attendance. If it doesnt gross more than 20 million this weekend were in trouble I believe. Then I would think Singer would not do it, and then maybe go back and direct Wolverine, or Magneto.

[Spider-Fan]

I just don't see it. This movie will be lucky to break even at this point, so I don't think WB will risk this happening again. I see this as being Singer's first and last Superman movie.

[Milkman95]

Of course bring him back, he's excellent.

[Jakomus]

I just don't see it. This movie will be lucky to break even at this point.

IT'S BEEN FIVE DAYS.

[Spider-Fan]

IT'S BEEN FIVE DAYS.

Most movies make their bog chunks of money in the first five days and then just dwindle down, even if they don't have huge competition the following week. Again, they'll be lucky.

[Jakomus]

Most movies make their bog chunks of money in the first five days and then just dwindle down, even if they don't have huge competition the following week. Again, they'll be lucky.Still, you're not factoring in worldwide gross or DVD sales.

I don't even know why i'm talking about this, because I don't really give a crap for Box office.

[Spider-Fan]

Still, you're not factoring in worldwide gross or DVD sales.

I don't even know why i'm talking about this, because I don't really give a crap for Box office.

You should, because if it fails at the BO, sequel talks die.

[The Incredible Hulk]

sequel? :confused: LOL

[KikiDee]

I don't think he was exactly planning to do the sequel. Have you guys even heard any of the interviews he's done up to this point?

From what I understood, if this one took off the way they were expecting, the sequel would go into pre-production shortly after it's theater run. Singer himself said he didn't know if he would be available due to other projects he's vested in at the moment "Logan's Run" for instance. I could be wrong because I only caught snippets of an interview he did on A&E so don't take this as gospel.

I was just wondering if anyone actually knew if he was committed to another one or not.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think he was exactly planning to do the sequel. Have you guys even heard any of the interviews he's done up to this point?

From what I understood, if this one took off the way they were expecting, the sequel would go into pre-production shortly after it's theater run. Singer himself said he didn't know if he would be available due to other projects he's vested in at the moment "Logan's Run" for instance. I could be wrong because I only caught snippets of an interview he did on A&E so don't take this as gospel.

I was just wondering if anyone actually knew if he was committed to another one or not.

When is this "Logan's Run" supposed to happen. I have been hearing him talk about it for years now.

[KikiDee]

When is this "Logan's Run" supposed to happen. I have been hearing him talk about it for years now.

Well....I don't know, but he's still talking about it. He's supposedly working on it now.

[ShadowBoxing]

The "no conversation" was fun, but certainly X - 3 worked for me on an action based fun Level. Not that deep into character, but Ratner produced FUN. The kids liked it.Kids don't have money. 18-24 year olds and adults do. You make a good film by hooking both audiences. Something X2 (a Singer film) did nicely. Something Spider-Man(s) does nicely. Something X3 utterly failed at. True it made an a$$load it's first weekend, but it also had the largest dropoff in sales against little to no competition. Thats because adults and young adults did not reccomend it to friends or want to see it a second time.

[JokerNick]

Christ sake man, all you complainers wouldn't know a decent movie if it came up and bit you in the ass, Superman was awesome, if you don't like it, go watch Torque or someother non-sense like that....

[dpm07]

I don't think he was exactly planning to do the sequel. Have you guys even heard any of the interviews he's done up to this point?

From what I understood, if this one took off the way they were expecting, the sequel would go into pre-production shortly after it's theater run. Singer himself said he didn't know if he would be available due to other projects he's vested in at the moment "Logan's Run" for instance. I could be wrong because I only caught snippets of an interview he did on A&E so don't take this as gospel.

I was just wondering if anyone actually knew if he was committed to another one or not.

According to IMDB he's slated to direct the sequel and Harris/Daugherty are slated to write the screenplay. Lucky us. :down

The problem with Singer leaving the franchise (or even staying) is that he's screwed anyone coming in, because of creating a son for Superman. Hopefully if a new director comes aboard they'll do a complete relaunch ala Batman Begins. Of course, Singer has done a good job at missing the mark on Superman due to his blind devotion to S:TM, and his yes men Harris/Daugherty.

[FlameHead]

Singer will come on to do the second and then leave the franchise for another superhero movie.

Bastard.

[chrisguyver]

Hmmm or we have minds of our own and think he is not the great director you seem to think he is.
While I think Xmen and SR are good films they should and could have been great films if he cared about all the source material not just bits and parts of it.
And some of us do not really want our comic book hero's humanized we like them as iconic COMIC BOOK HERO'S you know a flying storm from day one....A more original superman story based of the comics or heck even STAS etc etc etc....

get a life geek he made one of the best superhero movies of all time. What on earth did you want out of this movie. Let me guess you think you can do a better job. Get over it this movie was epic.

[Spider-Fan]

Christ sake man, all you complainers wouldn't know a decent movie if it came up and bit you in the ass, Superman was awesome, if you don't like it, go watch Torque or someother non-sense like that....

Is that you LastSunrise?

Anywho, before you start you large rant, let me tell you, I know a good movie when I see one. Tues at 10:00, I didn't see one. You don't like it? I don't care. Enjoy the movie all you want, just don't expect others to do the same.

[The Bruce]

You mean X3?

Sure X-men 3 had a lot, but it was crappy boring action. The Spider-man movies has mindblowing scenes! That's what I want for Superman!

:spidey:
:supes:

[NateGray]

Kids don't have money. 18-24 year olds and adults do. You make a good film by hooking both audiences. Something X2 (a Singer film) did nicely. Something Spider-Man(s) does nicely. Something X3 utterly failed at. True it made an a$$load it's first weekend, but it also had the largest dropoff in sales against little to no competition. Thats because adults and young adults did not reccomend it to friends or want to see it a second time.


Ummm huh just because you didn't like X3 don't try to group yourself with anyone or even act like you know what you are talking about most people enjoyed the movie and the BO numbers show that.
Strange how you mention how it costs money to buy tickets then discount the money it made....so it must have umm hooked audiences and you not reccomending it doesn't mean people didn't reccomend it again see BO numbers, they tell the tale and do not spin it as crap like you are trying to do.

[Spider-Fan]

get a life geek he made one of the best superhero movies of all time. What on earth did you want out of this movie. Let me guess you think you can do a better job. Get over it this movie was epic.

Ahh, the ever popular "can you do better" defense. Do you defend every movie you watch? I doubt it, and I bet you couldn't do better, but I know that there is someone out there that could. He is who I want. Your defense is weak, and if you don't have a strong defense, then just sit back.

[NateGray]

get a life geek he made one of the best superhero movies of all time. What on earth did you want out of this movie. Let me guess you think you can do a better job. Get over it this movie was epic.

Did I insult anyone in my post newp sure didn't yet you just had to call me a geek why exactly oh wait because I said bad things about your precious Singer....

Umm whatever loserboy
bury your head up a medicore directors ass a bit more why don't you frackin frelling lemming troll.

I am a geek because I had the nerve to say I do not think he is that great of a director guess that makes you the loser lemming I called you....

[NateGray]

Ahh, the ever popular "can you do better" defense. Do you defend every movie you watch? I doubt it, and I bet you couldn't do better, but I know that there is someone out there that could. He is who I want. Your defense is weak, and if you don't have a strong defense, then just sit back.

:up:
Thanks
I seriously get tired of being attacked for having an opinion and people twisting what I post.
Never did I mention I could do better just someone more dedicated to the source material could do better like a Peter Jackson or a Sam Rami.
Singer makes his own version of comic book movies while Jackson and Rami to mention a few try to stick as close to source material as possible.

[KikiDee]

Kids don't have money. 18-24 year olds and adults do. You make a good film by hooking both audiences. Something X2 (a Singer film) did nicely. Something Spider-Man(s) does nicely. Something X3 utterly failed at. True it made an a$$load it's first weekend, but it also had the largest dropoff in sales against little to no competition. Thats because adults and young adults did not reccomend it to friends or want to see it a second time.

Kids have parents that have money and they usually end up taking the whole family so marketing to kids is not a bad thing. My kids loved X3 because a. it moved quickly b. not a lot of mushy gushy love scenes and c. lots of great special effects.

BB was a great movie and my kids probably didn't appreciate it as much as we did, but we drug them along anyway. We won't do it again because it wasn't pleasurable. We own the DVD so the kids just wander off and do their own thing while we watch.

We won't be seeing SR unless we go to a drive-in (yes, they still exist), get a babysitter or wait for the DVD because they won't be able to sit for the length and they will not appreciate the heartfelt plot especially if it drags in places.

I know long post to get such a short point across. Superhero movies are for kids of all ages and should encompass that aspect. Singer would do well to channel that inner child a bit more if what I'm reading is true.

[Anjow1060]

Singer would be fine IMO, but we need a new writing team, which is why i voted NO, because he has two people he always has write for him. What we need is Kevin Smith to write it, and then Singer to direct. If the WB will wake up and understand the greatness of Smith, then we'll get a great superman film, unlike this POS i saw last night........but at least there wasn't a giant spider in the 3rd act. I'll admit that.

[Octoberist]

Give Singer a break. Honestly, I'm okay with him with the sequel. Superman Returns wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable. Some people here are so...dramatic..very fanboyish. "It's cheesey". "It's a diaster." Huh? It wasn't that bad of a movie.

[ToddIsDead]

He should absolutely direct the next one. I thought that both X-Men and Superman Returns were phenomenal, and if X2 was that great, then the Superman sequel should be fantastic.

[Dr.Dude]

Definite hell yes --- while this movie seems somewhat standalone and on a dramatic level extremely hard to live up to, I'd still love to see whatever else Singer might have in store.

[NateGray]

Give Singer a break. Honestly, I'm okay with him with the sequel. Superman Returns wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable. Some people here are so...dramatic..very fanboyish. "It's cheesey". "It's a diaster." Huh? It wasn't that bad of a movie.

Sorry but Singer has had his break and unless the BO numbers do a major jump they tell the tale and IMO he should not be back.

When mentioning fanboism in an unfavorable light like you are doing in this post you may want to note Singer fanboism is just as bad as any of the type of fanboism's you are being deragatory towards.:mad:

[Octoberist]

I know some people are dissapointed in the movie. But now, it's overwhelming. I was dissapointed as well, but I liked SR for the most part. A solid B.

I feel that some people take great pleasures in rooting for failure, and when they are on a roll, you can't stop them.

I understand a lot of what the haters are saying, but give Singer another chance here. Honestly.

[Thot]

No Singer. No Bosworth. No kid. Ideally the next Superman film should be done as though this abomination never happened. Reboot the reboot, pleez!
Routh can work as Supes (with a few more acting lessons and some more muscle, and a better suit).

[Octoberist]

Sorry but Singer has had his break and unless the BO numbers do a major jump they tell the tale and IMO he should not be back.

When mentioning fanboism in an unfavorable light like you are doing in this post you may want to note Singer fanboism is just as bad as any of the type of fanboism's you are being deragatory towards.:mad:

once again, being dramatic.

I don't know. At first it didn't bother me. But now, it's like people throwing tomatoes at Singer. Maybe we should throw ping pong balls instead, with some mild taughting.

Singer dug himself a hole. I admit that. But that hole isn't so deep.

I've people who liked the film. A lot of people. I've met people who HAD problems with the movie, but didn't hate it.

Maybe I'm rambling on. I don't know. What should I know? I bashed X3! :eek:

[LastSunrise1981]

I definitely say yes. I'd love to see what Singer has planned for a sequel in the future.

He takes his time and doesn't rush out a piece of trash, so in the end I'll be looking forward to what vision he has. Those who say no, hell no, or call Superman Returns a piece of crap are entitled to their own opinion.

They hate it so much and yet they remain on a board of a movie they supposedly "hate". Such intelligence they display obviously. Personally I hope Singer brings in Metallo or Darkseid.

Anyone remember the name of the Justice League episode where Darkseid puts Superman in an alternate reality? It's a very emotional episode and with Singer at the helm, I'd love to see him do something like that and with the visuals it'd be even more spectacular.

That's when Superman/Darkseid engaged in a brutal, gritty, and somewhat bloody classic epic battle. Of course, I wouldn't make it cheesy like some hardcore nitpicky fans, but I think it could be done with time and focus. Something X3 doesn't and will never have as far as I'm concerned.

[CapBeerCino]

I feel that some people take great pleasures in rooting for failure, and when they are on a roll, you can't stop them.


I think you nailed it. According to the poll most users loved SR, but then came the B.O # and the riots began.

[JokerNick]

Is that you LastSunrise?

Anywho, before you start you large rant, let me tell you, I know a good movie when I see one. Tues at 10:00, I didn't see one. You don't like it? I don't care. Enjoy the movie all you want, just don't expect others to do the same.

you stranded on a desert island (yes, pun intended) and you only could have 5 movies with you, that's it, that will be all you can watch from now till your death...... what would they be?

[NateGray]

once again, being dramatic.

I don't know. At first it didn't bother me. But now, it's like people throwing tomatoes at Singer. Maybe we should throw ping pong balls instead, with some mild taughting.

Singer dug himself a hole. I admit that. But that hole isn't so deep.

I've people who liked the film. A lot of people. I've met people who HAD problems with the movie, but didn't hate it.

Maybe I'm rambling on. I don't know. What should I know? I bashed X3! :eek:

Hey I thought it was a good movie myself.
Sorry for the drama but I guess I get defensive early on these boards because I have been attacked so often so I apologize for the way my last post came off.

I have had the same feelings towards Singers directoral style since Xmen and got bashed quite a bit for voicing my concerns about it on these boards.
To me his Xmen was a good movie that as I have said should and could have been great the material was all there all he had to do was some research so he would know a good Xmen script vs a medicore one and his direction should have adapted and IMO it didn't change that much from the usual suspects to Xmen same style direction.

Remember prior to the xmen movie we had some marvel travesties like Nick Fury , the horid Captian America and those aweful spidey series and Dr Strange movies.
So besides the Blade movies nada so that really helped Xmen look better maybe even great until you look back at it.
I liken it to Eddie Murphy's starving man sex starved man ritz vs cracker analogy.
See we thought we had a ritz when it first came out it was just great but when we started seeing other movies done truer to the source material's we realized we only had a plain ole cracker not a ritz at all....

Yes I am rambling now and well think I will head home again and take a break from the boards for a while.

[Octoberist]

Hey I thought it was a good movie myself.
Sorry for the drama but I guess I get defensive early on these boards because I have been attacked so often so I apologize for the way my last post came off.

I have had the same feelings towards Singers directoral style since Xmen and got bashed quite a bit for voicing my concerns about it on these boards.
To me his Xmen was a good movie that as I have said should and could have been great the material was all there all he had to do was some research so he would know a good Xmen script vs a medicore one and his direction should have adapted and IMO it didn't change that much from the usual suspects to Xmen same style direction.

Remember prior to the xmen movie we had some marvel travesties like Nick Fury , the horid Captian America and those aweful spidey series and Dr Strange movies.
So besides the Blade movies nada so that really helped Xmen look better maybe even great until you look back at it.
I liken it to Eddie Murphy's starving man sex starved man ritz vs cracker analogy.
See we thought we had a ritz when it first came out it was just great but when we started seeing other movies done truer to the source material's we realized we only had a plain ole cracker not a ritz at all....

Yes I am rambling now and well think I will head home again and take a break from the boards for a while.

It's okay, bud :up:

I view Superman Returns as a good movie with several missed opportunities (Lex's plot). It missed the mark, but it was near it's target. THere were things I didn't like (Bosworth looks so plain....give me Zoey DeChannel or Rachel McAdams anytime) but from what Singer had, he did a decent job at capturing this universe.

I do suggest Singer, if he does direct the next one, to do research. He has FULL ACCESS TO DC COMICS. why not use it?

[thedarks0ldier]

you stranded on a desert island (yes, pun intended) and you only could have 5 movies with you, that's it, that will be all you can watch from now till your death...... what would they be?
Fight Club
Desperado
Batman Begins
Goodfellas
Toss Up between Nine Inch Nails DVD, Batman; Mask of the Phantasm or my favorite POOH bear video from childhood.

I see your point, but just because it doesnt make it on that list doesnt make it a failure, or even bad.

[JokerNick]

Fight Club
Desperado
Batman Begins
Goodfellas
Toss Up between Nine Inch Nails DVD, Batman; Mask of the Phantasm or my favorite POOH bear video from childhood.

I see your point, but just because it doesnt make it on that list doesnt make it a failure, or even bad.

for me

Goodfellas
Batman Begins
Fight Club
Aliens
Incredibles

[Orko Is King]

Yes, but there should be a villain we haven't seen onscreen before.

[CrypticOne]

I say yes. Singer is a great director. Keep his vision going.

[gimmen64]

If WB cuts Singer for the next film it was be a big mistake. Just look at what happened when they removed Burton from Batman. I think that Singer is a better director than Donner. The only reason Donner did so well was because he had a great crew.

[NotFadeAway]

Peter Jackson directing a script by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini!!! Jackson is just so much better at capturing human emotion than Singer, there is no comparison.

And in between films, having Jason die of illness, Richard go away, recast Perry,etc etc and make a true blue Superman film.

[crappymovie]

This was Singer's X1, imagine the Superman counterpart of X2...with more action scenes etc.

Unless the fans would prefer someone like Brett Ratner for S2, so they can basically get the Mortal Kombat equivalent of the movie.

[NotFadeAway]

This was Singer's X1, imagine the Superman counterpart of X2...with more action scenes etc.

Unless the fans would prefer someone like Brett Ratner for S2, so they can basically get the Mortal Kombat equivalent of the movie.

How about neither :)

[Venom71]

Keep Singer

[Kane]

We won't be seeing SR unless we go to a drive-in (yes, they still exist), get a babysitter or wait for the DVD because they won't be able to sit for the length and they will not appreciate the heartfelt plot especially if it drags in places.


Just curious. But if you havent seen it, why'd you immediately vote it a '1' in the user rate and review thread poll?

[Retroman]

Singer will come on to do the second and then leave the franchise for another superhero movie.

Bastard.
Sarcasm?:confused:

[Milkman95]

Just curious. But if you havent seen it, why'd you immediately vote it a '1' in the user rate and review thread poll?

Ouch, hope that isn't true.......

[Matt]

SHOULD he? That is debatable. WILL he? I'd be very suprised if Warner Bros ever gave Singer money to make a movie again.

[Thunder Emperor]

SHOULD he? That is debatable. WILL he? I'd be very suprised if Warner Bros ever gave Singer money to make a movie again.
hahah they better not

[Venom71]

hahah they better not
You know remarks like this makes me want Singer to direct the sequel even more..not only because I think he did such a great job with SR..but because it would irritate posters like you and others if/when he does direct the sequel.

[JediXAngel]

Hire a GOOD Action Co-ordinator and put in some Super Villians like Brainiac, DoomsDay, etc so there can be actually some BUTT-kicking action to see!

Most of action in this movie are just him saving people, etc

Yes, Brian should STAY. He is the Best to do a Quality film, but there need to be COOLER action the next movie.

[Ita-KalEl]

He will direct the sequel (if they do it) :)

[Matt]

He will direct the sequel (if they do it) :)

Do you really believe that or is it just what you want?

[NotFadeAway]

I can't stress it enough. Get a different writing/creative team.

[Timstuff]

IMO Singer's vision was the wrong one, so I don't want him to come back. He only saw the Donner films as source material, and didn't really care about anything esle (and I was never crazy about the Donner films to begin with).

[Venom71]

I can't stress it enough. Get a different writing/creative team.
Well hey..get your amazing Superman story into the WB..I am sure they will have it made into a move by Summer 2008..you think it is so great.

[NotFadeAway]

Well hey..get your amazing Superman story into the WB..I am sure they will have it made into a move by Summer 2008..you think it is so great.

My story doesn't fall in line with Singer's story......it's not a dramaless Donner rehash.

[Milkman95]

Bring him back but bring in a comic writer to help with action scenes and other little things that matter.

The look, feel, and overall tone of the film was great and you've got to give Singer credit for that.

[Venom71]

My story doesn't fall in line with Singer's story......it's not a dramaless Donner rehash.
Excuses, Excuses:p

[NotFadeAway]

Excuses, Excuses:p

I wish it was an excuse. Singer really dug the Superman franchise in a hole with the kid storyline, no matter who directs and writes the next installment, there going to have to work with what Singer gave them.

For someone to make the film there own, the kid would need to die of natural health reasons and Richard leave town in between movies, and then you would still have to deal with Superman and Lois grieving over the loss of there son.

[Matt]

I can't stress it enough. Get a different writing/creative team.

I'm honestly not sure Singer would direct without his creative team. He seems very loyal to DOugherty and Harris.

[NotFadeAway]

I'm honestly not sure Singer would direct without his creative team. He seems very loyal to DOugherty and Harris.

It seems that way to me as well. If he can't get a new pair of writers that can convince him not to make another Donner retread, and can also write convincing drama, then I hope they all leave.

[Thunder Emperor]

You know remarks like this makes me want Singer to direct the sequel even more..not only because I think he did such a great job with SR..but because it would irritate posters like you and others if/when he does direct the sequel.
ahahhahahahahahha, did a good job my foot, a movie that had a plot a 5 year old would write and still think it were horrible

[The Batman]

The funny part is, is that people are saying he wants singer to follow the comics more...when they really mean they just want him to follow post crisis.


if he used more pre crisis details than post crisis, people would still be crying like babies

[Thunder Emperor]

The funny part is, is that people are saying he wants singer to follow the comics more...when they really mean they just want him to follow post crisis.


if he used more pre crisis details than post crisis, people would still be crying like babies
you are right and true, I have always wanted a post crisis superman, **** the pre-crisis ****. it was a mess plain and simple. besides it is easier for a newly converted fan from a ppst-crisis movie to go pick up a comic and enjoy more stories from there

[NotFadeAway]

The funny part is, is that people are saying he wants singer to follow the comics more...when they really mean they just want him to follow post crisis.


if he used more pre crisis details than post crisis, people would still be crying like babies

Pre-crisis material, like Superman Returns, is boring.

[Jasmine]

I'd like Singer to do the sequel.

[The Master]

Of course I want Singer to direct it.

I loved SR. I forgive some of the decisions he made in the film and am confident that he'll learn from them.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It would make sense, I think.....to have him direct. Have Brainiac in the sequel.

[The Batman]

well...then people need to shut the hell up about singer needing to use the comics....cause once again, the fans only care about what THEY want, not whats good for the character

[Matt]

well...then people need to shut the hell up about singer needing to use the comics....cause once again, the fans only care about what THEY want, not whats good for the character

Apparently whatever Singer did (Donner impression) is not good for the character. Otherwise it would've made the money it should've.

[The Batman]

did i say what singer did was what was good for the character?

Most fans here want X3 for superman....not BB or STM....

[dpm07]

well...then people need to shut the hell up about singer needing to use the comics....cause once again, the fans only care about what THEY want, not whats good for the character

Singer is not good for the character, and neither is a Silver Age Pre-Crisis Superman. This is becoming very apparent at the box office.

[The Batman]

and yet silver age pre crisis superman, the one seen in STM, is still remembered as the most iconic version of the character....and yet, people still dont wanna touch post crisis....the same post crisis that was heavily retconned 20 years into its run.

fanboys are hypocrites. just as singer has a fetish with a 30 year old movie that dosent match a modern superman, some of you fans have a fetish with a superman that dosent match the character period.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Apparently whatever Singer did (Donner impression) is not good for the character. Otherwise it would've made the money it should've

Not true. BO doesn't equal quality.

X3 blew chunks, and it made money. I'd hardly say the story it had was good for the characters.

[DarkSuperman]

I like Singer...I just want him to READ a god damn COMIC book and quit depending on the Donner films which weren't all that freaking great in the first place. Gimme something new and original dont just rehash what has already been done.

[fceeviper]

Yes.

[J.Howlett]

The origin doesn't need to be retold. The character has been around for 70 years. His origin is apart of pop culture. Everyone knows it. Why do it yet again?

[NotFadeAway]

well...then people need to shut the hell up about singer needing to use the comics....cause once again, the fans only care about what THEY want, not whats good for the character

This movie was NOT good for the character, it sent the character back in time 30 years!!

[halfapple]

Singer = Yes.

Film was spectacular!

[The Batman]

This movie was NOT good for the character, it sent the character back in time 30 years!!

no, it didnt.

anyone with half a brain could see this movie was modern. just because it uses donner as a template does not make it outdated.

try harder

[NotFadeAway]

no, it didnt.

anyone with half a brain could see this movie was modern. just because it uses donner as a template does not make it outdated.

try harder

The movie was not good for the character, it set Superman back 30 years. You try harder!

[dpm07]

Singer was in way over his head and it showed. The best he could do is a rehash of an outdated film with todays visual effects, and throw in this great twist of Superman having a son. Now we're stuck with that unless there's a relaunch which, sadly is unlikely because Singer is tapped to do the sequel and his flunkies are tapped to write it.

Superman deserves better than Singer, and the fans do, too.

[The Batman]

The movie was not good for the character, it set Superman back 30 years. You try harder!


nope. you've no proof, and i can tell. This movie felt like a modern day movie. it did not set superman back 30 years

again, try harder

[The Batman]

Singer was in way over his head and it showed. The best he could do is a rehash of an outdated film with todays visual effects, and throw in this great twist of Superman having a son. Now we're stuck with that unless there's a relaunch which, sadly is unlikely because Singer is tapped to do the sequel and his flunkies are tapped to write it.

Superman deserves better than Singer, and the fans do, too.

yes, because Every super fan wants post crisis drivel where lex acts like a kingpin ripoff, clark kent and superman act exactly the same destroying siegel and shusters idea of the kent character, have clark and lois in a relationship which destroys the purpose of the clark/superman/lois love triangle, and have a superman who dosent care one iota about his heritage.

[dpm07]

nope. you've no proof, and i can tell. This movie felt like a modern day movie. it did not set superman back 30 years

again, try harder

I'd say it set Superman back. It basically stuck him in the Donner era and kept the whole Silver Age thing. About the only thing original Singer and his chump writing team did was add the son, and that was probably the worst thing they could have done.

Singer will likely direct the sequel, but Singer can't do action. This film was basically Supermagnolias with Superman and Superson.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

We're already invested with Singer. Either he directs the sequel, or we don't get one at all. That's the way I see it.

Btw....we ALL KNEW he didn't read the comics. That was a topic of debate HERE for many Superman fans. So, don't pull this **** that all of a sudden we didn't know that he didn't read Superman books. C'mon.

[The Batman]

I'd say it set Superman back. It basically stuck him in the Donner era and kept the whole Silver Age thing. About the only thing original Singer and his chump writing team did was add the son, and that was probably the worst thing they could have done.

Singer will likely direct the sequel, but Singer can't do action. This film was basically Supermagnolias with Superman and Superson.


oh...so it didnt really make superman outdated at all. Again, you people are just whining that he based it on donners superman. for a minute there, i thought you guys had an actual arguement, but it all just adds up to "I wanted post crisis".

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm with you, I don't really see how it sets Superman back 30 years.

[The Batman]

I'm with you, I don't really see how it sets Superman back 30 years.


it dosent. people are just whining cause its not based heavily on post crisis. one wonders if they've actually seen the movie.

They complain about singer basing his supes on a version outdated thirty years, when they want a version of supes outdated by twenty. Either way, both donner and post crisis arent what a superman movie needs.

[Ra's Al Fool]

I think NO. I love Brian Singer,,,I liked what he did wit the Usual Suspects and The X Movies, but IMO, I believe he took the wrong route wit SR. I mean, it was a cool movie, but the story was mad lame, and he was way off wit this one.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So, just to argue, what the **** happens now?

If he doesn't direct...what happens? Do we wait another 20 years for another film? Do we try and continue this story with another director (who doesn't have a plan), do we get a restart? Do we re-cast the roles? Do we wait a couple year for it? Explain what happens IF he doesn't direct, because I'd like to know.

[ToddIsDead]

I sure as hell hope he directs the sequel. I gave SR a 9.5/10. And just for reference, I gave Batman Begins a 9.5/10 and Superman The Movie a 8.5/10.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'd say Batman Begins is a 20/10. And SR a 10/10. I enjoyed them that much.

[Cats]

The only worrying thing about replacing Bryan Singer is losing Brandon Routh, whom I really like starring as Superman. But I honestly didn't really much like Singer as director - nor did I think that much of X1 and 2.

[charl_huntress]

le sigh...I would like to say I want him booted, but I'm too scared of another directoring coming in and putting that kid in tights.

I'd rather stick with Singer. I hope he can at least deliver me an SR2 on par with X2.

[Barry Allen]

i'd love for Singer to direct the sequel. he showed that he CAN make a great Superman flick with the heart and soul that Superman deserves to be made with. Singer will always be welcomed by this Superman fan...

Word.

[Lobster Charlie]

For the love of God, please keep Singer away from ALL COMIC BOOK FILMS.

[charl_huntress]

I think Singer is good on selling character driven stories, unfortunately that just didn't work with his delivery in this film and for Superman. I think his X-Men films worked better because he seems to have a better understanding of angst than joy. I didn't think he would do that for Superman, but he sold an angsty depressing hero and that is not what Superman is.

Yet, I think if they bring him some decent help...perhaps someone more aware of Superman and not Donner than we might have something to work with Singer still at the helm.

I Hope...no faith obviously, but I hope...

[LastSunrise1981]

I think Singer is good on selling character driven stories, unfortunately that just didn't work with his delivery in this film and for Superman. I think his X-Men films worked better because he seems to have a better understanding of angst than joy. I didn't think he would do that for Superman, but he sold an angsty depressing hero and that is not what Superman is.

Yet, I think if they bring him some decent help...perhaps someone more aware of Superman and not Donner than we might have something to work with Singer still at the helm.

I Hope...no faith obviously, but I hope...

I didn't see Superman acting all emo and depressed about it. You'd be sad too if you saw the love of your life move on with his/her life, but you see he accepted it and went back to saving lives.

He acted like Superman would in that situation. There was nothing angsty or depressing about it really, if anything it's the way Superman should be upon returning to Earth after five years and seeing the changes.

[kal-el2006]

hmm 90 to 57..

[Spider-Fan]

you stranded on a desert island (yes, pun intended) and you only could have 5 movies with you, that's it, that will be all you can watch from now till your death...... what would they be?

Schindler's List, Return of the Jedi, Spider-Man 2, Edward Scissorhands, and Shawshank Redemption.

Hard for me to just name five, but that list looks pretty good to me.

[charl_huntress]

I didn't see Superman acting all emo and depressed about it. You'd be sad too if you saw the love of your life move on with his/her life, but you see he accepted it and went back to saving lives. He acted like Superman would in that situation. There was nothing angsty or depressing about it really, if anything it's the way Superman should be upon returning to Earth after five years and seeing the changes.

That would have been great if I had got some feeling that Superman actually enjoyed doing what he does...which he actually does in most incarnations. I'm surprised Singer didn't pick that up after watching STM back-to-back a million times. He copied everything else but that. No joy...Singer is good with angst, but he lacks when it comes to joy.

It's like Singer opened up Superman's mind, filled it with a bunch of worms, and then gave you a two and a half hour movie about how much sacrafice Superman has to make. That premise for me is totally off for his character. Though I love the kid, even the addition of the child adds to this depressing tone.

He just made him too angsty...I shouldn't feel like Superman is just doing it because he's doing it. I lost something that I love about Superman in Singer's vision...he Marvelized him, and that is crazy.

[crappymovie]

I think Singer just needs more experienced script writers who can help with the pacing of the films etc. The main problem with his movies is that they lose a lot of momentum over the course of the film...but this can be easily fixed..I mean someone like the writer of Harry Potter 4 could help, after condensing a 400 odd page book into a 2 1/2 hour movie. :up:

And his direction is a lot more inspired and subtle then Raimi I have to say.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think a lot of the fans wouldn't have a problem if a lot of the Donner references weren't in the film. But hey, what can you do?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :up: :)

[Logan Reynolds]

I say no. Singer was good to restart the franchise, but I could someone else taking the helm (provided they stay truthful to the vision and the character).

[animexcel]

I wouldn't mind Singer doing another Superman movie.

[KikiDee]

Just curious. But if you havent seen it, why'd you immediately vote it a '1' in the user rate and review thread poll?

Because I'm a just a big dumb hater......and I just thought I'd like to see the poll results. Why would I put a 10 if I hadn't seen it?

Very silly to me that you actually check or care who votes where. If I get the chance to see it I'll clear my cache and vote again.... maybe... if I can get past all that hate I have inside me.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[charl_huntress]

I think a lot of the fans wouldn't have a problem if a lot of the Donner references weren't in the film. But hey, what can you do?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :up: :)

Some of the homages were fine, and I particularly don't really have a problem with the rehash STM plot. I mean, plenty of Superman stories are retellings, so I'm not going to ***** too heavily about that.

LOL...I remember a thread about too many homages and I was thinking more sytlistic and some verbiage here and there. Wow...though...most of it came off corny and misplaced. The triple thread homages at the end was just ridiculous. I like the ending shot, but it....didn't work considering that right before that I got a big bunch of angst in my face.

Happiness...Singer:) :) :) The story doesn't have to be idiotic for it to be happy.

[animexcel]

^ Yeah I liked the few homages I saw like the opening credits, the flying end sequence, and lines like "statisically, flying is still the safest way to travel.." :p

[Lestat74]

YES, PLEASE keep Singer.

Superman Returns was a brilliant heartfelt film. Not just a movie, a film. Singer knows how to shoot incredible moments. He knows how to build tension...the way Ma Kent's radio started going all haywire before Kal-El returned, the way that there was this peacful silence when the plane hit zero G, and Lois reaches for the floating pen...then WHAM! violent fall. Brilliant. There are so many moments like this in the movie, too many to list here. Bryan Singer is a master craftsman, and with time he'll be up there with the likes of Spielberg, Ridley Scott and James Cameron. Bryan Singer made a Superman film that can entertain the little kid inside us, feel the angst of seeing our first love again, and even take our Grandma to see it. It's really that good.

Is it me, or is this the first time there's really been a huge divide between the critics and the fanboys? I mean, the "Beloved" comic book films like X-Men, X2, Batman Begins, Spider Man 1 & 2, were all critically praised and fanboys loved them ( for the most part ) This summer, the divide was evident...the critics trashed X-Men The Last Stand, but the fanboys ate it up; Superman Returns was mostly loved by Critics, and yet there is this huge fanboy backlash. To me, this is the first time this has happened in recent memory.

Oh..one more thing. For those of you who say that the Donner/Singer version of Superman is more Pre-Crisis. Uhhhh...no. The Pre-Crisis Krypton was this Jetsons-like world, very 50's; Pre-Crisis Superman was called Superboy when in Smallville; Pre- Crisis Luthor was a mad scientist, not a twisted crook. Now, when Crisis happened, DC asked John Byrne to make the comic more simplified like the Donner version...hence, NO Superboy in Smallville, NO Jetsons-like Krypton, but a more barren Crytaline world; even The "LexCorp"version of Lex was a play on the Gene Hackman version of Luthor...Marv Wolfman liked that version and wanted to create a backstory of where all that money came from. So this whole notion that the Donner Superman is more Pre-Crisis doesn't hold water.

I seriously hope that if Singer returns, that we have NO Doomsday ( He's not even a character, he's a lame 90's plot device ) NO Darkseid ( He's a great character, but too over the top for a film ) Brainiac could work however. especially If you do the Bruce Timm Kryptonian Braniac, or a variation of that. Thank god ol' Bruce Timm didn't listen to whiny fanboys and changed Braniac from Coluan to Kryptonian. No one seems to ***** and moan about that now, do they?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

For the love of God, please keep Singer away from ALL COMIC BOOK FILMS.


Go watch X-MEN and X2: X-Men United, then get back to us.

[phoenixsg]

I tik Bryan did a good job, if not great, on SR. I almost see the pattern there too just like with x-men. X1 was the intro so its just good, then X2 came along n knock me off my seat! I was like Whoa! To me SR seems like a brief intro to me even though it was continued from Superman 2. So I hope he will spring a great one on us with SR2.

[CapBeerCino]

Go watch X-MEN and X2: X-Men United, then get back to us.


:up: :up:

[Thunder Emperor]

Go watch X-MEN and X2: X-Men United, then get back to us.
both were avereage movies at best.

[borinquenknight]

Considering his X-Men was good but not great, while his X2 really hit home and based itself on a classic storyline. I want to see exactly what he'll do with number 2. Seemed like second time was the charm for him last time.

He's got my vote for the exact same reason.

[borinquenknight]

both were avereage movies at best.

For the records....what comic book adaptation would you consider above "average"?

[ferlac333]

I think he should definitly be given a chance to finish what he started.

[borinquenknight]

I think he should definitly be given a chance to finish what he started.

That's all I ask. And if not............trade ya Ratner for Singer. I'll even throw in a fresh Nightstalkers franchise, a halfass Phoenix, and a broken Wolverine.

[Spare-Flair]

I believe Singer should be able to finish the project as he intended, but make it only a sequel and give us a fresh start for III.

This series will never be epic, only mediocre but the story deserves to be finished.

[Nightwing1977]

both were avereage movies at best.

Not really. Not even close. It was more than average: they were good stories. We all know X-Men did $157 millions at the box office & X2 did eve better with about $202 millions or more. That, my friend, is better than average.

And Singer should return. I thought he handle the characters & story fantastic. Sure it has some flaw & mistake, but hey he is not a god as well anyone who direct movies. For the sequel, he should use his own take instead of doing a homage to Donner. I'm interest to see how his next Supes would be like if he use everything on his own without homage to Donner. That why I want him for the sequel. :up:

[Spare-Flair]

Not really. Not even close. It was more than average: they were good stories. We all know X-Men did $157 millions at the box office & X2 did eve better with about $202 millions or more. That, my friend, is better than average.

And Singer should return. I thought he handle the characters & story fantastic. Sure it has some flaw & mistake, but hey he is not a god as well anyone who direct movies. For the sequel, he should use his own take instead of doing a homage to Donner. I'm interest to see how his next Supes would be like if he use everything on his own without homage to Donner. That why I want him for the sequel. :up:

Singer's own take WAS an homage to Donner. He worships the original film and watches it multiple times every year. Singer should take his inspiration and cues from 30 years of Superman comics and not a 30 year old franchise...but he doesn't read them.

That said, now that the blueprint has been set, we should follow the Singer/Donner archetype for the sake of continuity.

[Bale]

Singer's own take WAS an homage to Donner. He worships the original film and watches it multiple times every year. Singer should take his inspiration and cues from 30 years of Superman comics and not a 30 year old franchise...but he doesn't read them.

That said, now that the blueprint has been set, we should follow the Singer/Donner archetype for the sake of continuity.:up:

He should worship Superman, not DONNER.

[Eteric]

Guys, I really think the sequels wont depend on Donner so much. Returns was meant to re-introduce Superman to the public.

I think in the next film he's going to pull away from Donner, only keeping essential things (back story, crystal fortress/ship, etc). Besides those it will be more original.

I think Returns was epic, but I think the sequel may very well blow us away.

[David33]

Wait....do you really think there will be a sequel?.When Pirates smashes Superman this weekend,you will change your mind.

[Octoberist]

I don't mind if Singer went ahead with the sequel.

At this point, it feels like there is this weird Hulk-like backlash going on. I'm willling to bet that with the sequel, Warner Bros and DC will have more of a say, giving Singer SOME restrictions on what he can and cannot do.

[Ita-KalEl]

David you are a moron. You did the same posts last year against Batman Begins.

[Matt]

I don't mind if Singer went ahead with the sequel.

At this point, it feels like there is this weird Hulk-like backlash going on. I'm willling to bet that with the sequel, Warner Bros and DC will have more of a say, giving Singer SOME restrictions on what he can and cannot do.

I think there are definitely going to be some shake ups. Dougherty and Harris. Forget about them for a sequel. I really doubt Singer will do it if they are fired...so he may go as well (assuming he doesn't get sacked as well, which is a probability).

But I think the biggest WB ordered shakeup will be Lois. I think Bosworth will be fired in favor of a bigger name to draw bigger audiences. Rachel McAdams and Kate Beckinsale are the two Hollywood "it girls" right now. I figure one of them may be hired.

[Lobster Charlie]

Go watch X-MEN and X2: X-Men United, then get back to us.

X-MEN is average, X2 is better, and I own them on DVD, but they aren't the end-all, be-all. X2 coulda used some TEAM action, and I never appreciated how Cyclops got the shaft. But I do like it. That's ONE for Singer. X1 had average action, and was pretty cheap-looking. That "Brotherhood" was a disgrace, as well.

You put all the X-films out together, and its not the most impressive trilogy out there. In the future I'd like to see an X-film that does a bit more justice to the characters, and is a lot more epic in scale. And, what the hell, why not attempt to update the comic costumes in such a way that is NOT just black leather.

But yeah, X2 is pretty good. X1 is average. Superman Returns I didn't like one bit. I still stand by my statement. Keep Singer away. :)

[GarudA]

Guys, I really think the sequels wont depend on Donner so much. Returns was meant to re-introduce Superman to the public.

I think in the next film he's going to pull away from Donner, only keeping essential things (back story, crystal fortress/ship, etc). Besides those it will be more original.

I think Returns was epic, but I think the sequel may very well blow us away.

Superman never left the public, because he did not have a movie in 20 years does not mean the public forgot about him and don't see him enough. You have smallville, you had Lois and Clark, TAS, JLA ..ect.

I found Singer arproach wrong, he should of made Superman Returns more like TAS then Donners films.

[Matt]

X-MEN is average, X2 is better, and I own them on DVD, but they aren't the end-all, be-all. X2 coulda used some TEAM action, and I never appreciated how Cyclops got the shaft. But I do like it. That's ONE for Singer. X1 had average action, and was pretty cheap-looking. That "Brotherhood" was a disgrace, as well.

You put all the X-films out together, and its not the most impressive trilogy out there. In the future I'd like to see an X-film that does a bit more justice to the characters, and is a lot more epic in scale. And, what the hell, why not attempt to update the comic costumes in such a way that is NOT just black leather.

But yeah, X2 is pretty good. X1 is average. Superman Returns I didn't like one bit. I still stand by my statement. Keep Singer away. :)

One line in X-men shows how little respect Singer has for comic book movies.

"What do you expect? Yellow spandex?"...I get that it was a joke, I get that yellow spandex wouldn't work on screen...but why go out of your way to make fun of a comic book? It indicates to me that he has little to no respect for the source material.

[JekzStar]

Man i thought Superman returns was really good.

Sure it wasn't a Batman Begins (I dont want to start a war but Batman would have almost got a 10 out of 10 if not for a few scenes and small moments and the casting of Katie Holmes, but lets not get on the case)

Anyway Superman Returns was good but i though maybe a bit dark really, and it should have more action for crying out loud it's Superman.

Nothing wrong with cast and story was alright abit more romatic and i thought that was the wrong way to go, if Bryan Singer goes more action in the sequel and give Superman a villian who can fight him like a Brianiac it could be the ulimate superhero film, then yes rehire the guy.

I just hope Superman Returns make atleast 200 million and then a sequel better will be born

[Desk]

I think there are definitely going to be some shake ups. Dougherty and Harris. Forget about them for a sequel. I really doubt Singer will do it if they are fired...so he may go as well (assuming he doesn't get sacked as well, which is a probability).

But I think the biggest WB ordered shakeup will be Lois. I think Bosworth will be fired in favor of a bigger name to draw bigger audiences. Rachel McAdams and Kate Beckinsale are the two Hollywood "it girls" right now. I figure one of them may be hired.
Regardless of all those potential positives, any direct sequel to Superman Returns will still be stuck with Supes established as absentee father to an illegitimate kid, with a bumbling 2D Clark Kent persona, rendering it virtually unwatchable to me.

[dpm07]

I think there are definitely going to be some shake ups. Dougherty and Harris. Forget about them for a sequel. I really doubt Singer will do it if they are fired...so he may go as well (assuming he doesn't get sacked as well, which is a probability).

I agree with you. The way I look at it, everyone takes the tools that they need to work, and Singer takes his two tools (Harris/Daugherty) with him when he goes to work as well. I can't see him doing a sequel w/o them either, and while I'd like to see someone else direct the film, I think they may stick with Singer. He may have signed a contract with the option to do a sequel, and he's slated to do the sequel on IMDB.

The sad thing is, Singer has screwed things up so bad with Superman now being a dad, that really I don't think anything less than a relaunch will suffice, and knowing Singer, that won't happen, because it will seem like blasphemy to him and the Donner films.

[Desk]

The sad thing is, Singer has screwed things up so bad with Superman now being a dad, that really I don't think anything less than a relaunch will suffice, and knowing Singer, that won't happen, because it will seem like blasphemy to him and the Donner films.
Precisely.

For me, the best scenario would be for Superman Returns' box-office takings to quickly fall away amid growing dissatisfaction over Singer's approach to the character.

For Warners to elect against any sequels and not prolong the time we're stuck this wrong-headed approach and potentially allow it to become accepted as the "norm."

For someone else to come along and do justice to the Superman mythos a few more years down the line.

I've waited most of my life for another decent Superman film... I can wait a bit longer.

[Ita-KalEl]

Are you really thinking that WB want to fire Singer?
LOL

If you didn't like the movie it's a your problem (expecially if you are a marvel fanboy). WB invested a lot of money to revive his character and IMO Singer did a great job. The box office results will not be bad. Wait for the next weeks.

[GarudA]

Precisely.

For me, the best scenario would be for Superman Returns' box-office takings to quickly fall away amid growing dissatisfaction over Singer's approach to the character.

For Warners to elect against any sequels and not prolong the time we're stuck this wrong-headed approach and potentially allow it to become accepted as the "norm."

For someone else to come along and do justice to the Superman mythos a few more years down the line.

I've waited most of my life for another decent Superman film... I can wait a bit longer.

I fear that the WB will be ok with the numbers at end and Green Light the sequal with Singer behind the chair and we would get Superman in another soap opera traingle. I am just trying to think how Singer could make it even worse.

[dpm07]

Precisely.

For me, the best scenario would be for Superman Returns' box-office takings to quickly fall away amid growing dissatisfaction over Singer's approach to the character.

In about 3 days, that's going to happen.

[charl_huntress]

The kid worked well in this film. I thinking adding the kid was a good thing for the story since it is a progression from STM and SII. Yet, they dropped a lot of balls in this area.

The storyline can be retooled, so the kid works like he did in this film. Though, after this for the sequels I'm sure it's most likely going to be all action. That's a shame because I do want character in my superhero flicks, but Singer's execution is going to be remembered.

I don't think WB would fire him. The movie is getting good reviews, and it might get an Oscar for FX. So....but we will have to see. I also don't want them to recast anyone. C'mon...these are the leads. When they reboot it yeah, but everyone will just have to deal with Bosworth...taking the wig off her would help for the next movie I'm sure.

lol...craziness...he Marvelized Supes...still can't believe it.

[Ita-KalEl]

In about 3 days, that's going to happen.

You're going to be disapponted dude.

[dpm07]

You're going to be disapponted dude.

I don't think anything could dissapoint me more than SR and Singerman making Superman a dad or having those two tools that are supposed to be writers write a story. Hmmm...well, maybe a sequel by Singerman might disappoint me more.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong. However, I'm a huge fan of Depp and the first film. I realize the second film is part of a trilogy, and I know the spoilers, so I'm not worried. I'm really looking forward to the movie.

[GarudA]

I don't think anything could dissapoint me more than SR and Singerman making Superman a dad or having those two tools that are supposed to be writers write a story. Hmmm...well, maybe a sequel by Singerman might disappoint me more.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong. However, I'm a huge fan of Depp and the first film. I realize the second film is part of a trilogy, and I know the spoilers, so I'm not worried. I'm really looking forward to the movie.

How could singer make the sequal worse? he could introduce Supermans long lost brother, to give the movie a more emotional edge :D

[dpm07]

How could singer make the sequal worse? he could introduce Supermans long lost brother, to give the movie a more emotional edge :D

That's true. He could make a sequel with more of an emotional edge where they all go on Jerry Springer and discuss their feelings. I can see Lois, Richard, Jason, and Superman all sitting on stage with Springer talking to them. I can even see Singer there too, and a surprise guest with Richard Donner, LOL.

[charl_huntress]

^lolol

[Magneto]

That's true. He could make a sequel with more of an emotional edge where they all go on Jerry Springer and discuss their feelings. I can see Lois, Richard, Jason, and Superman all sitting on stage with Springer talking to them. I can even see Singer there too, and a surprise guest with Richard Donner, LOL.

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.

[GarudA]

That's true. He could make a sequel with more of an emotional edge where they all go on Jerry Springer and discuss their feelings. I can see Lois, Richard, Jason, and Superman all sitting on stage with Springer talking to them. I can even see Singer there too, and a surprise guest with Richard Donner, LOL.

LOL!
You never know, it might happen, to give the movie a more realism. :D

[Ita-KalEl]

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.



It's only your opinion. IMO SR is a great restart.

[GarudA]

It's only your opinion. IMO SR is a great restart.

Restart? It was a re-make.

[J.Howlett]

It's not a remake.

[Ita-KalEl]

Restart? It was a re-make.

Open the window dude, there is a world outside:

http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1807839024&s=rc_d

[dpm07]

Remake...
Restart...

Bottom line, is that Singer and his piece of trash tools (Harris/Daughtery) made a film that didn't connect with audiences. They tried to connect to another generation, and this current generation has basically told them that they are out of touch.

Throwing Superson into the picture was horrible, and Singer telling everyone that this was a "Chick Flick", and the "funniest movie he's ever done" probably didn't help things either. Neither did adding Kitty Kowalski that served no other purpose other than to add comedy.

[GarudA]

Open the window dude, there is a world outside:

http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1807839024&s=rc_d


Click got B+ does that make it great? Nearly every movie in the top 10 got a average of B? so whats your point.

[Ita-KalEl]

click got B+ does that make it great? Nearly every movie in the top got a average of B? so whats your point.

Hulk took C (LOL)
Batman Begins B+
Fantastic Four B-
X-men B+
X2 B+
Spider-man B+
Daedevil C+

LOL

[J.Howlett]

dmp07,

Tell us then what a new Superman film, after 19 years should be like.

[Magneto]

Batman Begins got a B, yet Fantastic Four got a B as well?

What the hell? :confused:

[ervann]

Keep Singer (I can live with him), but the writers MUST go. Bring in a real comics writer and a proven scriptwriter.

The sequel CANNOT afford not to please fans.

[kal-el2006]

lmao fantastic four with a B..only in this world..if not mistaken..they made doom a panzy..and the only fight was at the end..smh

[GarudA]

Hulk took C (LOL)
Batman Begins B+
Fantastic Four B-
X-men B+
X2 B+
Spider-man B+
Daedevil C+

LOL

You forgot to mention that most of does movies have a average 30000+ ratings, and SR still has 15000.

[J.Howlett]

Comic writers and script writers are two different things....

[dpm07]

dmp07,

Tell us then what a new Superman film, after 19 years should be like.

I'll tell you what. You hire me to do it, I'll write it. I've got a Masters in management, and a dual bachelors in the Media and Public speaking, not to mention over 35 years of familiarity with superhero lore. If someone hired me, I'd take a shot at it.

One thing is for sure, if I did it, it would have been a Superman who is returning, but would not have had a son, and would have had both parents. It would have been not a remake, but a reimagining. The closest thing I could compare it to would be Battlestar Galactica with regard from the original to the current one. The difference between what I'd do, and what Singers' tools did, is I'd use more resource material than the Donner film. I don't have any blind devotion to that film, and while it's good for its time, it's time has passed.

The return story is a good concept, but the connection to the Donner film hurt the film, and this is being evidenced in the theatre. Singer tried using new visuals on an old trick or old film and modernize it. That was poorly done, and the audience sees it.

The fans deserve better than Singers blind fetish and fixation on the Donner film manifested in a modern film. This was supposed to be Superman's Return, and we get Lex's Land scheme and Superson.

It's a horrible thing to do to the fans.

[J.Howlett]

Why reimagine him though? There's no point to reimagine Superman. WB has been trying to do that for 12 years and they couldn't get it right...

Smallville has tried to reimagine Superman. It's just decent.

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

[Magneto]

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

Taking the story forward isnt always smiled upon. Example? I remember a part on the "Look up in the sky" documentary where the wedding between Lois and Clark is being discussed, and it was said that there are many people in the offices at DC who would love to do a story where the wedding turns out to be just a dream.

Sure, you can introduce a child in the future. Doesnt necessarily mean that it will be well recieved. Or even stick for that matter.

[dpm07]

Why reimagine him though? There's no point to reimagine Superman. WB has been trying to do that for 12 years and they couldn't get it right...

Smallville has tried to reimagine Superman. It's just decent.

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

DCAU seemed to do pretty well. All someone would have to do is take concepts from some of their stories, and you'd have a great film. Unfortunately, Singer is stuck in thinking the Donner source is the only source for Superman. His ego got burned on this one. He didn't seem to look at other sources that were out there. While the Donner film is a source, and one one others that are out there.

Would a reimagining work? Honestly, I think it could. It has to be done right. You have to find the balance as to what the public wants, and complement it with what would make Superman work. This film that Singer did might have worked in the past, but today's audiences were clearly bored and disenchanted with this lackluster effort. Again, Singer has two complete morons that are his yes men in Harris/Daugherty, and it shows. Working a son angle really turned off a lot of people.

At this point, perhaps a relaunch ala Batman Begins is in order.

[J.Howlett]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

[J.Howlett]

dpm07,

And how is Singer suppose to know what the audience wants? That's the biggest generalization ever. You have the fanbase. You have the in betweens. You have the general audience. You have the studio execs. You have yourself to please as an artist.

You have to pick a vision and go with it. If you get a mismatch of different visions or suggestions, you end up with The Last Stand.

As for sticking close to the comics, there's 70 years worth of stories. How can anyone person pick between 70 years worth of material. That's damn near impossible.

[dpm07]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

You can take the story forward, but when you bring children into the mix in a film, you really change the complexion of things, and not always in a good way.

Judging by your sign, there's no way I'm going to convince you otherwise, so you're just going to have to deal with the fact we have different points of view.

[J.Howlett]

dpm07,

I don't mind different points of view. But, no one has yet to come up with a great reason why a child can't be introduced into the Superman lore....

[kal-el2006]

hell lois and clark had a child in the final season..dean cain version

[Magneto]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

Taking a story forward isnt a bad thing, but one of the essentials to Superman has always been the love story between Lois & Clark. This story has endured for what? 60+ years now. And no doubt, it's a love affair that will continue to endure 60+ years FROM now. Adding a child to the mix would definately take the story forward, but then again it may also displease a majority of the fans. I'm not sure if it's worth doing that.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

There are many stories that can be told between Lois and Clark that doesnt have to involve a superkid. I'm sure of this.

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

SR had a similar story structure to S:TM. SR also was very much based in the donner-verse as well. Wasnt really too refreshing to me. Singer took the liberty of adding a Superkid. And although that is something new, it's not necessarily good.

[J.Howlett]

Sandman,

Let's see if it turns out to be bad. The addition hasn't hurt it. He's essentially the same at the end of this film...His loneliness, which has always been apart of his character, is essentially gone.

Now, he's in new territory. Let's see what happens.

[Magneto]

Mr. Howlett,

Honestly, I am not saying that the child is a completey horrid idea. I am open to change just like you are, but what I am concerned with are the fans who are alienated by the liberties that Singer took. Yes, bringing in a child into the story does move it forward, and is some ways admirable to a certain degree, but if the idea ultimately recieves a very mixed reaction like the one it's been recieving so far, I would really have to question if it was an idea that was really worth taking up. Thats all.

[Frodo]

Remake...
Restart...

Bottom line, is that Singer and his piece of trash tools (Harris/Daughtery) made a film that didn't connect with audiences. They tried to connect to another generation, and this current generation has basically told them that they are out of touch.

Throwing Superson into the picture was horrible, and Singer telling everyone that this was a "Chick Flick", and the "funniest movie he's ever done" probably didn't help things either. Neither did adding Kitty Kowalski that served no other purpose other than to add comedy.

I think that may be part of it but I also have a feeling that this may not be Superman's time in general. The Hero that has dominated the cinema and the culture for the past few years has been Spiderman . In most of the reviews the critics say something like," SR is this ,while Spiderman is.....". In the 90's Batman was the dominant hero with 4 films in 8 years plus an Animated series.

[J.Howlett]

Sandman,

Thanks for the replay but don't call me Mr. again. You're trying to age me too fast. I still have some years.

I'll a throw another curve for you. Ten bucks says Singer kills Superman off at the end of the third film and then Jason becomes the protector of Earth and the new Superman...with a new franchise later on down the line...

[Spider-Fan]

Sandman,

Thanks for the replay but don't call me Mr. again. You're trying to age me too fast. I still have some years.

I'll a throw another curve for you. Ten bucks says Singer kills Superman off at the end of the third film and then Jason becomes the protector of Earth and the new Superman...with a new franchise later on down the line...

I'll take it, since singer will never do 3 movies.

[ervann]

Sandman,
I'll a throw another curve for you. Ten bucks says Singer kills Superman off at the end of the third film and then Jason becomes the protector of Earth and the new Superman...with a new franchise later on down the line...

That would be such a lame, lazy and uninspired ending. And totally uneccessary.

[J.Howlett]

Why is it lame? Superman has already died once in his mythology.

Again, Singer might not take it that far but I wouldn't put it past him...

[The Batman]

question....

can you really respect a fanboys opinion when he/she says that singer was wrong for only using donners superman, but when asked how he/she would do superman, they'd basically only use post crisis?

[ervann]

Why is it lame? Superman has already died once in his mythology.

Again, Singer might not take it that far but I wouldn't put it past him...

I guess for me the new Superman movies shouldn't be a saga, like Star Wars is. Superman represent different values and traits. He's a timeless symbol, a personification of all things good, hopeful and inspiring. His stories should work whether it's a 10 minute short, a half hour animation or a 2 hour film.

To turn Superman movies into a family saga at the core doesn't work for me. It seems that Singer created a superman in his own vision which has clear parallels with his own life - an immigrant, an orphan..and along the way it became a father & son thing. While I respect that, I much rather see a Superman story of hope and inspiration.

[dpm07]

question....

can you really respect a fanboys opinion when he/she says that singer was wrong for only using donners superman, but when asked how he/she would do superman, they'd basically only use post crisis?

Definitely.

I can definitely respect someone's opinion that Singer was wrong for using Donner's Superman, and that he should have used a more Post-Crisis version.

["_____"]

i guess he would direct it if they WERE going to make a sequel...but they are not going to....why throw their money away

[Octoberist]

The funny thing is that Singer pulled a weird move: He was playing it safe by basically remaking the original movie. At the sametime, he tried these new things (Supes having a son) and while new, might tainted the further sequels. It wasn't exactly the direction I was looking foward to, but Singer pulled it off enough that it was enjoyable.

But everything ended in a somber note. I felt that Spider-Man 1 was more Superman than Superman Returns...in tone: Very bright and somewhat innocent. Here, it was depressing. If I want dark, there's Batman.

I want Singer to come back. I don't want a 'remake' because that would create a bigger mess in my opinion. If a remake is a go, wait 1- years and then do it. Don't do what the Hulk 2 is doing: It's tacky as hell.

[blind_fury]

Singer already ruined the sequels by miscasting Lois Lane and introducing Superman's kid.

[Lobster Charlie]

We should start taking bets. I never thought Marvel would restart the Hulk so soon, but WOW...talk about a slap in the face, just a few years after it came out.

So...will Superman have a restart announced in 3 years? Will the sequel most likely have to rewrite some stuff?

[Octoberist]

I agree that Lois was miscast.

Rachel McAdams....yum.

Zooey DeChannel...yum.

Jennifer Conerlly...yummers!

Kate didn't look right. I've always imagined Lois as being exotic looking with her dark hair. Kate looked bland.

["_____"]

Singer already ruined the sequels by miscasting Lois Lane and introducing Superman's kid.
true

["_____"]

they could just kill the kid off in the second one (thats if they make one, imo they wont) and have superman go f__king crazy

[Manhunter]

Definitely.

I can definitely respect someone's opinion that Singer was wrong for using Donner's Superman, and that he should have used a more Post-Crisis version.

Didn't you notice the transition? The average movie goer has no idea what post-crisis means, I think that's why WB and co. were so hard on for a requel, with Superman throwing all things Donner into space, what part of Donner's Superman is left at the end? Costume? Nope. All ties to kryptron's past severed. Donner's family dynamic? Heh, not even close.

I didn't mind the requel because I saw it as a transition, catching up the laymen in the audience to modern times without a COIE.

I won't know until the sequel if I was right, which does kind of suck.

[retconned]

dpm07,

I don't mind different points of view. But, no one has yet to come up with a great reason why a child can't be introduced into the Superman lore....

Have you ever seen the Legend of Zorro? If you have, nuff said!

[Uncanny]

Singer already ruined the sequels by miscasting Lois Lane and introducing Superman's kid.

And not having a supervillain to fight!

Superman in the hospital? WTF!!!! The only person that should have been in the hospital is Lex.

[Superman-Prime]

YES! YES! Superman Returns was absolutely fantastic. I'd LOVE to see the sequel. Dammit!

[Superman-Prime]

Singer already ruined the sequels by miscasting Lois Lane and introducing Superman's kid.

How could you say like that?! :down

Kate Bosworth is so far PERFECT as Lois Lane. A TRUE LOIS LANE! I don't give a crap if they miscasting Lois Lane. I hope she'll be in a sequel. She's friggin' hot.

I actually liked the idea to introducing Superman's kid.

[Fan of Tomorrow]

My option isn't up there. No sequel period, and a relaunch as soon as possible. Singer already muddied the waters far too much for anyone to salvage what's there.

[Desk]

My option isn't up there. No sequel period, and a relaunch as soon as possible. Singer already muddied the waters far too much for anyone to salvage what's there.
Absolutely!

[skruloos]

question....

can you really respect a fanboys opinion when he/she says that singer was wrong for only using donners superman, but when asked how he/she would do superman, they'd basically only use post crisis?
No. Because that would make them hypocrites. But such is the case. I'm guilty of it myself. I'm a fan of Superman but I'd have been extremely disappointed if Superman Returns was based on STAS or Post-Crisis. Mainly because both of those interpretations are lame.

But who knows? Singer might have been the 2nd storyteller to get me to like a Post-Crisis story with the first being Superman For All Seasons.

I also think that it's fairly telling that the Luthor in this film is much closer to the Madman Luthor on the Run in the current comics. And Superman is definitely not as powerful as he was in StM so he's much closer to Post-Crisis in that way. The main difference I see in this interpretation is that Pa Kent is dead and Clark Kent at the Planet is still a disguise.

[J.Howlett]

ervann,

Superman is an immigrant. Superman is adopted. He's the adopted son of Earth. I don't even read Superman or any comics and I still understood what metaphor the Superman mythos were working with. It's not the only metaphor but its a pretty big one.

The story of Jason and Superman reflects that aspect of the Superman mythos. Just as he has a connecting to his home planet of Krypton in body and spirit, he now has a connection to his adopted home more than ever now. For a while, it was Smallville and Lois. Now, its both of those things and blood connection to Earth; Jason.

Superman is whole now. Now, we can take his character forward to new territory and see where it goes. It's not that difficult to see where Singer is going, thematically.

Superman still has all the virtues that he's always had and will still have. It's just that now, he has an even greater responsibility to be a beacon of light to Earth.

[retconned]

If the box office continues to suck like it has been, and this movie continues to recive mixed reviews by those who either worship it as the second coming or despise it with the wrath of Khan, then the next Superman movie you might see is a made for tv special starring Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum.

[Lil_Flip246]

I think Singer did a pretty good job in this film. It seemed as If he put more effort on this film than on Xmen.

[hame4479]

ervann,

Superman is an immigrant. Superman is adopted. He's the adopted son of Earth. I don't even read Superman or any comics and I still understood what metaphor the Superman mythos were working with. It's not the only metaphor but its a pretty big one.

The story of Jason and Superman reflects that aspect of the Superman mythos. Just as he has a connecting to his home planet of Krypton in body and spirit, he now has a connection to his adopted home more than ever now. For a while, it was Smallville and Lois. Now, its both of those things and blood connection to Earth; Jason.

Superman is whole now. Now, we can take his character forward to new territory and see where it goes. It's not that difficult to see where Singer is going, thematically.

Superman still has all the virtues that he's always had and will still have. It's just that now, he has an even greater responsibility to be a beacon of light to Earth.

**** that i want ratner! Not, that was perfectly stated and i hope bryan gets a second chance. Personally if I could ask one thing of him though it would be that he focuses more on superman alone and leaves the whole lane family on the sidelines.

[Matt]

I really just can't see WB making such an investment or any investment in Bryan Singer again.

It doesn't matter how 'good' the movie was...if it doesn't earn, it just doesn't earn...and WB WILL want to blame that on someone.

[hame4479]

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.

u see that is where u r so wrong. mixed reaction in this forum not for the general public. Iv seen the movie 3 times all with varying audience sizes and every time the audience seemed to love it. The fact of the matter is the movie isnt making alot of money because people arent going to see it not because they saw it and hated it. The reactions u speak of are almost solely contained to this board and what u geeks need to realize is that world does not revolve around the hype. Hell even the talkbackers at aicn arent bashing the movie as much as u guys. U guys obviously just cant see the character depth to singers work. Or more likely u dont want it to be there in the first place. U would rather have superman beating the **** out of something. U ****ers are so mindless sometimes god!

[hame4479]

I really just can't see WB making such an investment or any investment in Bryan Singer again.

It doesn't matter how 'good' the movie was...if it doesn't earn, it just doesn't earn.

No offense but this movie in the end will make hundreds of millions of dollars. If that is a failure that what is success. Between domestic which will probably recoup the budget, international take which i have a feeling will be good, and dvd, this movie will make alot of money. No offense the wb doesnt care what the hypesters think. And u had better pray for a sequal because if we dont get one u may never see a superman movie again. Or hell next time one might be made and they may take it the completely opposite route of singer ie the opposite of classic which eqauls hip reinvented bull****.

[Matt]

No offense but this movie in the end will make hundreds of millions of dollars. If that is a failure that what is success. Between domestic which will probably recoup the budget, international take which i have a feeling will be good, and dvd, this movie will make alot of money. No offense the wb doesnt care what the hypesters think. And u had better pray for a sequal because if we dont get one u may never see a superman movie again. Or hell next time one might be made and they may take it the completely opposite route of singer ie the opposite of classic which eqauls hip reinvented bull****.

Domestic is on the road to making half of the budget...if that.

The movie needs probably at least, depending who you ask, I'm more or less splitting the difference, 300 million to be profitable. And even then...its not that good of a profit.

WB was expecting something huge. The only huge thing Singer gave them, is a huge dissapointment. If you don't think that it is going to be taken out on him, you are well..."WRONG!"

[dpm07]

WB was expecting something huge. The only huge thing Singer gave them, is a huge dissapointment. If you don't think that it is going to be taken out on him, you are well..."WRONG!"

You're absolutely right. It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie, and all we got was a huge piece of "Krrrrrryptonnnnittte" crap courtesy of Singerman and his broken down chump tools Harris and Daugherty.

[Matt]

You're absolutely right. It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie, and all we got was a huge piece of "Krrrrrryptonnnnittte" crap courtesy of Singerman and his broken down chump tools Harris and Daugherty.

Is it me, or are the people insisting Superman will have a sequel starting to sound like the people who insisted that DVD sales would lift Serenity to a sequel?

[DorkyFresh]

It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie

hardly...it's the same few who keep spreading their opinion of how 'bad' SR was.

[retconned]

hardly...it's the same few who keep spreading their opinion of how 'bad' SR was.

Actually DorkyFresh, as time has went on, more and more negative reviews have came out. The reviews and feelings toward this film are a sinking ship, and the box office is proof of that. The only two places that seem to have this films back are SHH and RT. A couple critics liked it, but some critics hated it, one being named Roger Ebert.

And I don't want to hear squat about how B.O. doesn't matter, or how the general public doesn't want to see character driven films. There all excuses. Titanic was a character driven film and look how much loot that made. It's the fact that the film tries to be a character driven film, and fails. And then with no real action or supervillian to back it up, it makes for a bad picture and results in people not going back to see the film, and then telling there friends how boring and heartless the film was.

It's sad, because the general public has been wanting a new Superman movie for years. Look how popular and well known Smallville is, and it has been on the freakin WB for christ sakes. Singer and his goof troop blew it, and thats just really sad.

[retconned]

Just so I can get this off my chest, Alfred Gough and Miles Millar know more about and better understand Superman than Dougherty/Harris.

[DorkyFresh]

Actually DorkyFresh, as time has went on, more and more negative reviews have came out. The reviews and feelings toward this film are a sinking ship, and the box office is proof of that. The only two places that seem to have this films back are SHH and RT.

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie. if RT came up with under 60% then you'd be using them to your advantage.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR. as the same with RT, if the SHH polls turned the other way...you'd be using them to your advantage instead of acting as if SHH's opinions don't matter.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

[Matt]

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

SHH is made of superhero fans, and the polls you cited are in the Superman section. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

Hell, if you put a rate the movie poll in Misc Film it would probably rate significantly lower (assuming some idiot like Trilligors doesn't stack the poll by posting links to it on every Superman fan site on the web as he did the last Superman poll in misc film.

[J.Howlett]

Disappointment box office wise? Sure. Critically? Nope. Do the studios care about critical acclaim rather than box office? Depends on the picture. Will Returns break even? Given all the factors, yep.

It will take time to get there but it will.

You guys can have Raimi's Spider-Man. I'll take Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.

[DorkyFresh]

SHH is made of superhero fans, and the polls you cited are in the Superman section. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.
so you mean to tell me that the polls for Catwoman, Fantastic Four and Daredevil all showed at least 75% approval? you call people delusional because they can't except that the box office isn't great, but you can't accept that most people from RT and SHH liked the movie.

and don't even act like you know the general public's opinion unless you have a poll to back it up.

[DorkyFresh]

You guys can have Raimi's Spider-Man. I'll take Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.
good point...even though Raimi brought in the bucks for Spider-Man and even though i love the Spider-Man movies....i don't consider them as well made as Batman Begins was and Batman Begins didn't do nearly as good as Spider-Man. it just shows that better box office doesn't always equal better movie. i said it once and i'll say it again...

...if that were the case then Catwoman is a better comic book film than Ghost World was.

[retconned]

I'll take Nolans Batman any day of the week over Spider-Man. That film actually had a story that flowed greatly, and an overall plot that featured great substance, not to mention an excellent actor for almost every character, with that being Katie Holmes, who still wasn't bad.

However, I think Ill take Spider-Man over Superman Returns. Might be cartoony, but the story has much better depth to it as well.

[retconned]

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie. if RT came up with under 60% then you'd be using them to your advantage.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR. as the same with RT, if the SHH polls turned the other way...you'd be using them to your advantage instead of acting as if SHH's opinions don't matter.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

This board is often very flawed in it's logic, and regardless if I loved or hated the movie, I would still say that RT holds very little real weight.

[Lestat74]

seriously guys, whatever point you may have about the Box Office aside, Superman WAS pretty critically well recievied. 75% is nothing to sneeze at.

[J.Howlett]

Spider-Man has no depth at all. Sure, Peter angsting over Mary Jane when a simple explaination could solve all his problems.

Serious, the excuses the writer came up with during that film everytime Peter had to explain himself to someone during that film were just lame.

The action is illogical considering Doc Ock isn't super-human and yet, he took every punch Spider-Man threw at him.

Not to mention the biggest crime in Spider-Man 2...is that it is essentially a remake of Superman II. I won't even mention the first Spider-Man. It's bland at best.

People blast Singer for "remaking or whatever" the first Superman film. Well, at least he ripped from the same franchise character he was dealing with.

And look at the Spider-Man 3 teaser...while probably the most famous Spider-Man story there is (and I'll be there to see it first day), it looks like a slight rip-off of Superman III.

Again, Raimi did very well with Spider-Man 2 but that film could've been a masterpiece had he cut out the damn camp and actually thought about Peter's dilemna.

The first Spider-Man film is a classic case of coming out at the right time...period.

[DorkyFresh]

This board is often very flawed in it's logic
and normal, everyday people aren't?

This board is often very flawed in it's logic, and regardless if I loved or hated the movie, I would still say that RT holds very little real weight.
i guess you think all the critics who approved of SR are flawed in their logic also, right? if there's any logic that's flawed...it's the logic that you're only 'right' if you didn't like SR.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, I'm a comic book fan....and I loved the movie.

I knew, going in, that this wasn't based on the comics. WE ALL KNEW THAT. So, I went in knowing that and not expecting a rendition of the comics.

PLUS.....We all knew this was a sequel......so, why are some people pissed now that they realize it IS a sequel?

And, I really cannot get on Singer's case for following Donner's style. If I were to make a Batman movie, chances are I'd do the same using Chris Nolan's Batman.......his Batman is ****ing PERFECT to me. And, people always continue to say that STM and SMII are the definitive Superman films.....so....this is kinda hypocritcal what I'm seeing on these boards.

[Magneto]

Jennifer Conerlly...yummers!

I agree. Jennifer Connelly is definately the definition of yum, but I think she would have been miscast alongside Routh. She would have been damn near perfect if someone older was cast as the man of steel.

I've always imagined Lois as being exotic looking with her dark hair. Kate looked bland.

I like Kate Bosworth, but yeah. You gotta have the long dark hair. :up:

Yum indeed.