F4 #538

[The Geek Vault]

This was an interesting issue. The thing was really really helped in it. Who is silverclaw. oh yeah and Thor is finally back. Puppet Master and Thinker teaming up.

[Dread]

This was an interesting issue. The thing was really really helped in it. Who is silverclaw. oh yeah and Thor is finally back. Puppet Master and Thinker teaming up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverclaw

I always saw her as Marvel's answer to DC's Vixen. And much like Vixen, she's a C-Lister at best.

[TheCorpulent1]

What's this about Thor? :confused:

[Dread]

What's this about Thor? :confused:
In the issue, lines of people'd gathered around where Thor's hammer had fallen, all taking turns trying to lift it (sort of like Excaliber from the stone). Finally, the mysterious blond traveller (whose belt initials are "DB"), brakes through the line, grabs the hammer, and vanishes in a brilliant flash of light.

Quite why Marvel is choosing to revive Thor in FANTASTIC FOUR of all books is beyond me, but I am sure its boosting sales.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, goddamnit, now I have to keep buying Fantastic Four? Damn it. :(

[Darthphere]

Ugh, goddamnit, now I have to keep buying Fantastic Four? Damn it. :(


Pretty much. Its been a good arc though.

[Dread]

Ugh, goddamnit, now I have to keep buying Fantastic Four? Damn it. :(
You could just read my elongated "reviews" for issues that come out...

Although that was pretty much my reaction, although JMS seems stronger on F4 then he is on ASM at this point, but maybe that's a minority opinion.

[Darthphere]

You could just read my elongated "reviews" for issues that come out...

Although that was pretty much my reaction, although JMS seems stronger on F4 then he is on ASM at this point, but maybe that's a minority opinion.


Nah, ive been enjoying this arc. Except you know.

Doom: Damn, cant pick up Mjolnir, oh well, lets go boys.

[Dread]

Nah, ive been enjoying this arc. Except you know.

Doom: Damn, cant pick up Mjolnir, oh well, lets go boys.
Yeah, I felt his resurrection felt a bit wasted for what amounted to a rather pointless action story. Plus, out of 2 issues, the first basically did nothing but tell us what the cover already told us, so it felt a little wasted.

I'm not a big fan of the Four, though, so I may go mid-storyline if I see something really nasty.

It could be a good angle for Doom in CW to simply offer "sanctuary" for displaced heroes. That way he could gather more allies for a "rebellion" fight, which he would of course capitilize on to try to rule the world again. But I doubt it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't really like JMS' take on the FF to begin with. They seem kind of weird and alien after Waid. I'm pretty sure that JMS won't be able to sell the retarded decision to bring the super-smart Reed down on the side of registration, either.

[Darthphere]

I didn't really like JMS' take on the FF to begin with. They seem kind of weird and alien after Waid. I'm pretty sure that JMS won't be able to sell the retarded decision to bring the super-smart Reed down on the side of registration, either.


Im guessing you havent read this?


Moving back to story elements, when asked about Reed Richards’ motivation for joining the pro-registration side in Civil War, Straczynski said that in an upcoming issue, he has Peter Parker ask Reed that very question. As Straczynski related, Reed tells Peter about his uncle, who was a writer and creator, and was caught up in a McCarthy-esque witch hunt, and as a result, was jailed and saw his career destroyed. When Peter expresses his feelings of how horrible that must have been for Reed’s uncle, Mr. Fantastic says it was, but the law is the law is the law, and his uncle was wrong for not cooperating with the government – a stance by Reed which Peter finds unsettling.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have, actually. That was one of the reasons I said I doubt JMS could sell it. Seems a bit odd to have the smartest man in the world mindlessly follow the letter of the law, wouldn't you say?

[Darthphere]

I have, actually. That was one of the reasons I said I doubt JMS could sell it. Seems a bit odd to have the smartest man in the world mindlessly follow the letter of the law, wouldn't you say?


Perhaps, depends how they play it. Hes a scientist, he thinks logically, he hardly ever thinks with his heart. He see this as logical, thereofre he supports it. But we know Reed has bent and even broken the law in his favor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly, so he's either a hypocrite or an idiot. It just doesn't seem to fit with Reed's character for me.

[Darthphere]

Exactly, so he's either a hypocrite or an idiot. It just doesn't seem to fit with Reed's character for me.


I dont nkow, it seems like he hasnt really explained himself that well. I think the best way to get somehting decent out of this is to play the emotional angle. His kids were almost taken away from him because the baxter Building was thought to be too dangerous. Have him think that what happened to Stamford couldve easily happened right there in NYC and the thought of losing his family is too much, therefore he blindly follows the SHRA, but the irony is in the process of doing everything in his power to protect his family and loved ones they further drift apart.

Thats how I would play it, but im no JMS.

[TheCorpulent1]

The guy keeps a portal to the Negative Zone in his house and his children have survived literally being sent to Hell. I don't think playing the angle that he's worried about his family is going to cut it, myself.

[Darthphere]

The guy keeps a portal to the Negative Zone in his house and his children have survived literally being sent to Hell. I don't think playing the angle that he's worried about his family is going to cut it, myself.


The Extremis virus.


*runs*

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh? :confused:

[Darthphere]

Huh? :confused:


People think that the Extremis is mainoulating Tony into being an *******.

[supermarvelman]

I dont think he is all that worried about his family, it's other people that dont have the means to protect their kids like the Fantastic Four do.

[Darthphere]

I dont think he is all that worried about his family, it's other people that dont have the means to protect their kids like the Fantastic Four do.


I doubt he cares. Hes that type of guy.

[TheCorpulent1]

People think that the Extremis is mainoulating Tony into being an *******.
But Tony's always been an *******. Has everyone forgotten about the Armor Wars and the Death of Tony Stark stories already? :confused: Tony's heart is in the right place as a superhero, but he ****ing sucks at being a nice guy.

[Darthphere]

I know ha.

[herakles]

In the issue, lines of people'd gathered around where Thor's hammer had fallen, all taking turns trying to lift it (sort of like Excaliber from the stone). Finally, the mysterious blond traveller (whose belt initials are "DB"), brakes through the line, grabs the hammer, and vanishes in a brilliant flash of light.

Quite why Marvel is choosing to revive Thor in FANTASTIC FOUR of all books is beyond me, but I am sure its boosting sales.

FINALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES the reason why I started reading comics as a 9 year old in 1983 is coming BACK!!!

[LouFerignoDemon]

Most women don't think so concerning Tony.


But I can see where Reed agrees with the government. It's the same reason he agreed with Tony during the Illuminati. It's organized. He's logical by nature, that takes serious organization. Everybody registering, training, and working for a single source where someone (most likely Tony, or Reed, or some combination of other heros) can direct where the most good can be done. So basically, you utilize the resources logically. That and he doesn't see the romance behind vigilantism, and since his kids have always been in the way of a threat, and always come out fine, he doesn't see how a mask can really protect someone. From his personal experience of course.

[supermarvelman]

Good point.

[GNR]

This was a great tie-in.The growing void between Reed and Sue,Ben chatting with some Yancy St. folk about being on the fence with the law,some classic villains up to no good,and the return of Thor.

If you're picking which tie-ins to get,you can't go wrong with FF and ASM.

[TheCorpulent1]

Most women don't think so concerning Tony.


But I can see where Reed agrees with the government. It's the same reason he agreed with Tony during the Illuminati. It's organized. He's logical by nature, that takes serious organization. Everybody registering, training, and working for a single source where someone (most likely Tony, or Reed, or some combination of other heros) can direct where the most good can be done. So basically, you utilize the resources logically. That and he doesn't see the romance behind vigilantism, and since his kids have always been in the way of a threat, and always come out fine, he doesn't see how a mask can really protect someone. From his personal experience of course.
That's the most logical explanation for Reed backing the registration I've heard. I could see Reed favoring the SHRA for purely organizational reasons without considering the potential dangers of putting so much power in the government's hands. Reed does tend to be an idealist and an optimist, like many scientific pioneers. That motivation doesn't quite mesh with the totalitarian bent his story about his grandfather paints, though, so I doubt JMS will be using something like that.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, I heard about that uncle story, and it sounds like total garbage, and is extremely out of character for Reed Richards as a whole. For someone who'll use his own son as an experiment (que: Thing), I doubt he'd care too much about an uncle he probably didn't know that well considering how well his family works outside his current immediate family.

But it does make sense. Such as when Tony even suggested creating a super conglomorate team.

And if you were to ask about the dangers of putting so much power into the government, he'd probably say that the same danger exists from untrained kids with powers that can destroy cities. So I'm actually sure he's thought about that some. But since JMS seems to be going a totally different route, who knows what Reed is actually thinking.

[TheCorpulent1]

To Reed's motivation even more confusing: weren't they setting him up as the moral voice within the Illuminati? I remember someone telling me that he was the most troubled and hesitant about the idea of sending the Hulk into space and stuff, which makes sense given that Tony, Xavier, and Namor are already established as cold-hearted bastards and Black Bolt wouldn't really care about the Hulk either way.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Namor was the one who didn't want the Hulk to go into space. He actually punched Iron Man in that argument after Tony made a comment that Namor wasn't a king above water. Or it was another arguement. But he stated they would have to go through him to do such a thing to the Hulk. Probably after prior kinship during their time as Defenders. Or because Namor's the only bigger ass than Tony.

Reed was the wallflower of the entire group, even Black Bolt was more participant it seemed, since Reed was basically playing enamoured little brother the Tony's ideas.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, never mind then. I didn't read any Illuminati stuff, I was going on hearsay. I remember someone saying Reed had objections to the progressively more nefarious schemes the Illuminati was cooking up.

I do remember Namor kicking Tony's ass. I enjoyed seeing that. More people should kick Tony's ass right about now. Maybe it'd knock some sense into him.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hey hey. I think Namor could use a good ass kicking too. Pompus bastard. Tony's only like this from time to time, Namor's ALWAYS like this. But Iron Man deserved what Namor handed him. You insult Namor, expect the fisticuffs.

I kind of like arrogant and manipulative Tony, but in some of the crossovers, it just goes a bit too far. Like him paying off the Titanium Man. He didn't HAVE to do that. So yeah, he needs to wisen up.


And that was an awesome episode of the Venture Bros.

[TheCorpulent1]

Namor's like that all the time, but he doesn't push his agenda on people the way Tony is now. He's a pompous jerk who's happy to live and let live, so long as people don't cross him. Tony, meanwhile, thinks he always knows best and uses people like chess pieces to further his own agendas. The SHRA is just the latest in a string of such incidents. The Armor Wars and faking his death are others that come to mind. He drove his best friend Rhodey to the point of hating his guts with the latter, and yet here he is, at it again. The guy's an incorrigible bastard.

The ultimate wish fulfillment for me would be, when Tony thinks he's got the anti-reg heroes on the run, for Thor to pop back in and smack him around.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The Armor Wars was a little different. That was him trying to take responsibility for his own armor by treating other people like ****. However, I agree with this one. Namor doesn't give a damn as long as it doesn't threaten his kingdom. He even makes a comment about that where someone tells him that when they're done on the surface, they'll come after Atlantis, and he makes a comment that the surface will destroy itself first, leaving it for the Atlanteans to claim, or they'll be weak, and get destroyed by the Atlanteans, and they'll reclaim the surface. Either one was fine by Namor. Where Tony is basically saying, "Okay guys. Reed and I, we're the smart ones. So you listen to what's good for ya." Sort of mentality. And granted, many leaders even irl are like this, and sometimes are right, it just...doesn't suit well.

As with Rhodey. If I were Jim, I would've made Tony's fake death more of a reality after I found out. Tony's probably just about as bad as Doom when it comes to using colleagues as expenditures.

As much as I love Iron Man, and you Corpy know just how much, I'd LOVE to see him have his ass handed to him by Thor, again. Only this time, without his Thorbuster armor, and with Thor wielding an uncanny anger.

Hell, speaking of using a good thing for what could be a bad reason. When Thor gave him that piece of material that had all sorts of energy, Tony didn't even give Thor the benefit of a doubt, he IMMEDIATELY used to it build a weapon against Thor. So how's that for trust and friendship? He reminds me of a nicer Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, yeah, I noticed that Tony had that Thorbuster armor prepared well ahead of time. Thor makes one wrong move just a short time after giving Stark-Fujikawa the Asgardian energy source, and Tony immediately pops open a closet with armor custom-made to utilize the energy source as a weapon. Nice job, Tony the dick. It's no wonder Thor and Cap side with each other against Iron Man in just about every ideological divide the Avengers run into.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, it's not like he had a few weeks to slap something together. He did it RIGHT away. And granted, the steps Thor was making was kind of indicative to the result. But I mean, right away? It was Thor, not Doom or someone that you'd expect it from. Thor wasn't even really laying into anybody yet, just replacing power sources for FREE at first. Tony's lucky Thor is such a forgiving guy concerning the crap Tony says and does.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope this Civil War stuff is setting Tony up as a Classical tragic character. His downfall at the conclusion of it could be executed so perfectly after all of the crap he's done lately. Tony's like a posterboy for hubris.

[LouFerignoDemon]

This would be a really good point for him as a character to reflect and such. Sure, he kind of did that in his own book mid-Extremis series (Somewhere between Dec. 2004 and Nov. 2005 between issues two and three I believe or some exaggerated length of time such as that) Where he realized he's a hero and blah blah blah. But it sure didn't translate to currently, where he's even less of a hero, and more of a control freak.

I think, yet again, this would be a strong point for a heavy development in Iron Man. Let's just hope they recognize it.

[Darthphere]

Well in that same story they hinted at the Extremis influencing his actions or something. I dont nkow I didnt read the book.

[LouFerignoDemon]

It augmented paranoia. That would be the OPPOSITE of what he's doing now.

[Xofenroht]

All hail Thor!

[Harlekin]

Meh, I thought the story was pretty good, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed by Reed.

[littleredhat]

I'm pro-reg but Reed is acting a little OOC. I think he is either a Skrull or will switch sides during the war.

[wobbly]

Re: The story about Reed's uncle and him apparently saying it was right for his uncle to be persecuted for failing to co-operate in the Macarthy witch-hunts...WTF?

Seriously, Reed saying the "law is the law" knowing full well from that example that law can be be perverted to unjustly persecute innocents is a bit stupid.

Unless alls not what it seems...

[DraXXXen]

As long as this leads to anti-registration-buster Iron Man armor, i'm all good :)
Though if cap lays a hand on him it will be silly and not that plausible, short of some sort of sucker punch.

[Franklin Richards]

Reed wasn't all that concerned with the Law during Authoritative Action.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Darthphere]

Reed wasn't all that concerned with the Law during Authoritative Action.


:ff: :ff: :ff:


Exactly.

[TheCorpulent1]

As long as this leads to anti-registration-buster Iron Man armor, i'm all good :)
Though if cap lays a hand on him it will be silly and not that plausible, short of some sort of sucker punch.
I agree. I'm hoping they refrain from having Cap and Iron Man themselves actually come to blows. As much as I love Cap, Iron Man would lay him out pretty easily.

[The_Vision]

At last the return of Silverclaw. When was the last time we saw here?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'd really hate it if Iron Man and Captain America came to blows. Especially since Iron Man would probably decimate him. But the way it's starting to seem, Tony's and Steve's respective "militia's" will eventually have to fight each other is some larger battle, where more than likely, Steve and Tony will have to dialogue during a fight with each other.

[Xofenroht]

Steve is going to lay Tony out.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Even without his armor, I doubt Steve can beat the current Tony Stark.

[Franklin Richards]

Cap will just send Sue after Iron Man. Have you seen what she's done to Doombots and Doom? One little forcefield inside that armor and tony is toast.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Xofenroht]

Even without his armor, I doubt Steve can beat the current Tony Stark.

Honestly? You're doubting that Captain America a trained SUPER soldier who can go toe to toe with Wolverine and other super powered individuals with just his shield and combat skills would get his ass kicked by Tony Stark without armor?

Give me a break...seriously.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Extremis has supposedly enhanced Tony, too, both in the armor and out of it. I still don't think he'd take Cap down without his armor, though. Cap's got way too much experience and fighting skill to his advantage.

[Darthphere]

The Extremis has supposedly enhanced Tony, too, both in the armor and out of it. I still don't think he'd take Cap down without his armor, though. Cap's got way too much experience and fighting skill to his advantage.


**** that, Cap can take down Iron Man armor or not.:mad:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Honestly? You're doubting that Captain America a trained SUPER soldier who can go toe to toe with Wolverine and other super powered individuals with just his shield and combat skills would get his ass kicked by Tony Stark without armor?

Give me a break...seriously.

I'd give you a break. But the Extremis seems to lend vast amounts of superstrength that has been shown to crunch Tony's armor, vast amounts of durability, and an extreme healing factor. And he'll probably have fire breathing like the other Extremis at some point or another.

[LouFerignoDemon]

**** that, Cap can take down Iron Man armor or not.:mad:

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.

[Darthphere]

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.


Nearly.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd give you a break. But the Extremis seems to lend vast amounts of superstrength that has been shown to crunch Tony's armor, vast amounts of durability, and an extreme healing factor. And he'll probably have fire breathing like the other Extremis at some point or another.
None of that really matters against Cap, in my opinion. It'll just go from a one-shot knockout for Cap if Tony were normal to an actual, challenging fight that Cap would still ultimately win.

[Franklin Richards]

With the armor, he stands nearly zero of a chance.

Captain America : I've heard that all my life, ma'am. I won't quit.


:up:


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it'll ultimately come down to a philosophical argument more than a physical fight, really. Just like in Squadron Supreme, if you think about it. Like Hyperion and Nighthawk, Cap and Iron Man, no matter what happens, still respect each other and are still friends. Neither is going to actually kill the other, and I doubt they'd knock each other out before hearing each other's points and debating over it. While their respective armies fight, they'll just blab at each other.

[LouFerignoDemon]

None of that really matters against Cap, in my opinion. It'll just go from a one-shot knockout for Cap if Tony were normal to an actual, challenging fight that Cap would still ultimately win.

Probably. Despite the fact conventional tactics didn't prove in the least bit effective against the other guy.

Cap would HAVE to win though, for the sake of the story.

If it were normal Tony, he'd be curled up in a corner, going to his happy place while Cap is bashing his skull in.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think it'll ultimately come down to a philosophical argument more than a physical fight, really. Just like in Squadron Supreme, if you think about it. Like Hyperion and Nighthawk, Cap and Iron Man, no matter what happens, still respect each other and are still friends. Neither is going to actually kill the other, and I doubt they'd knock each other out before hearing each other's points and debating over it.

Agreed, I doubt Tony would actually KILL Cap. And Tony does seem much more open to debate than Cap is, and Cap would probably rather convince Tony to quit this over fighting him over it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Cap can get unconventional when the situation calls for it.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Unconventional was a full powered repulsor blast to melt the guy's head.



But yeah. If it were just flat out Cap, I doubt he could win against the current Extremis powered Tony. But Cap isn't some louse, he'd have something in the wings for that.


*Coughs*EMP*Coughs* Since Tony has a lot of technological enhancements in his current state.

[Darthphere]

Cap would whoop on his ass.


/fanboy

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol I actually hope that Cap lays the beat down on Iron Man. That would be awesome since Tony seems to think he's absolutely untouchable.

[Xofenroht]

He still has testicles doesn't he? As long as he does, while Cap has a foot, this fight is in Cap's favor. OR Cap could just get really drunk and burp in Stark's face.

(why do I feel like I'm talking about two people I know)

[Phantom Lantern]

cap, falcon and thor are gonna stick it to the man.
wtf is thing doing being all neutral, he should grow a pair and run off with sue to join cap and his freedom fighters
stark and the rest of those illuminati noobs need to be hulk smashed soooo badly

down with the man :mad:!

is tony stark retarded or something
no way is steve rogers gonna lose he's the goddamn captain america

parkers gonna be all whiny coz he gets beaten up by the bad guys the jackass gets what he deserved if he comes crawlin to cap, cap should kick his arse for being a a dirty commie bastard !!!

wolverine should slash prof x's wheelchair tyres and make the bastard eat rats

[Vanguard07]

LoL Your ranting makes little sense in the context of current marvel continuity but still I like your style.

Dont call Spiderman a commie though.
That's uncalled for.

LoL

[Vartha]

I agree. I'm hoping they refrain from having Cap and Iron Man themselves actually come to blows. As much as I love Cap, Iron Man would lay him out pretty easily.
If you read the Reigning arc of Thor, Cap held his own just about longer than BOTH Thing and Hulk against King Thor. Cap could hold his own I think, besides, if Tony's about to loose his mind, that would give Cap an advantage.

[TheCorpulent1]

Did you seriously just say "IF" I read "The Reigning"? :confused:

Anyway, that fight was pure crap from start to finish. It made no sense whatsoever. I think Jurgens and Eaton were pressed for time and just slapped it together in a hurry. At least, that's what I choose to believe, since the alternative is that they just suck at fight scenes.

Also, if you'll recall the earlier "Standoff" arc, Thor tossed Cap aside like an ugly toddler. Cap might manage to stay on his feet for a little while against Iron Man, but the fight would ultimately go to Iron Man 9 times out of 10, in my opinion.

[LouFerignoDemon]

If you read the Reigning arc of Thor, Cap held his own just about longer than BOTH Thing and Hulk against King Thor. Cap could hold his own I think, besides, if Tony's about to loose his mind, that would give Cap an advantage.

Aside from the part where King Thor was definitely going lightly against Cap. Someone who can bash Cap's shield in a single punch going all out against Cap equals death to Steve Rogers.

And if Tony's losing his mind to Extremis, that's probably even WORSE for Cap, as Tony will probably be even smarter.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? Extremis insanity makes you smarter? :confused:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Really? Extremis insanity makes you smarter? :confused:

Made Tony smarter. At least twice as much as he was previously.

[TheCorpulent1]

But insanity tends to dumb people down. A lot. 'Cause they're crazy.

[LouFerignoDemon]

It makes Tony paranoid. Paranoid Tony builds bigger more powerful machines. *Rabies foam.*

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, paranoid makes more sense than crazy.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Oh, I thought you were actually using those interchangably. Sorry, my mistake. x.x

Yeah, the Extremis is suppossed to heighten one's paranoia. And since it's doubled or more Tony's capacity to think and create (I.E. Argonaut), I wouldn't actually say that would work in Cap's favor.

[Vartha]

Did you seriously just say "IF" I read "The Reigning"? :confused:

Anyway, that fight was pure crap from start to finish. It made no sense whatsoever. I think Jurgens and Eaton were pressed for time and just slapped it together in a hurry. At least, that's what I choose to believe, since the alternative is that they just suck at fight scenes.

Also, if you'll recall the earlier "Standoff" arc, Thor tossed Cap aside like an ugly toddler. Cap might manage to stay on his feet for a little while against Iron Man, but the fight would ultimately go to Iron Man 9 times out of 10, in my opinion.
I would have to agree Corp, it's just the fact that Cap would not be easy to beat.
IM isn't as quick as Cap either, armor has it's advanges and disadvantages. I never did think IM was supposed to be very quick, and since Cap basically has been around Tony for a while, practicing with IM, and been in battle with IM, both should know each others weaknesses, should prove to be an interesting fight.

[bkhedr]

Thor showing up and kicking the snot out of Tony...god please let it happen.

[herakles]

Thor showing up and kicking the snot out of Tony...god please let it happen.

AND SENTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xofenroht]

Thor should show up with Hulk as the new hound of Asgard...

[Vanguard07]

Captain America has an uncanny ability to survive against foes significantly more powerful than him and he usually spends that time looking for a plot device.
There's a big difference between being saving yourself from being instantly killed and being able to beat the guy that your up against.

I'm not saying Cap couldnt win in the comics. That's just a matter of what plot device the writers can come up with.
In terms of their respective skills and abilities though Cap is nowhere near Iron Man's league.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I would have to agree Corp, it's just the fact that Cap would not be easy to beat.
IM isn't as quick as Cap either, armor has it's advanges and disadvantages. I never did think IM was supposed to be very quick, and since Cap basically has been around Tony for a while, practicing with IM, and been in battle with IM, both should know each others weaknesses, should prove to be an interesting fight.

Tony's speed has picked up considerably since the Extremis.

[Vanguard07]

everything about tony has picked up considerably since extremis.

Well... except maybe his sanity... or morals... or hygene.

[LouFerignoDemon]

everything about tony has picked up considerably since extremis.

Well... except maybe his sanity... or morals... or hygene.

He's probably cleaner than ever. And his morals have never really been...top notch so to speak. Though I'll agree they've gone downhill. And he's still super smart, he's just getting a little bit more paranoid. He hasn't done anything that I wouldizzle consider losing his sanity.

[Tropico]

Yeah, because having an outburst against a superpowered shrink and almost showing a God complex is totally rational.:D:up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, because having an outburst against a superpowered shrink and almost showing a God complex is totally rational.:D:up:

He's always like that. :up: So he's not becoming crazy. He already isizzle crazy.

[Tropico]

He's got technoAIDS and it's driving him cucoo for Cocoa Puffs.:mad:

[LouFerignoDemon]

He's got technoAIDS and it's driving him cucoo for Cocoa Puffs.:mad:

Wouldn't that driveizzle you cucoo for a functioning technoautoimmune system? Or at least McAffee Virus Protection?

[GNR]

Made Tony smarter. At least twice as much as he was previously.

Tony was already a genius.It doesn't make him smarter.

Extremis allows him to plug into any computer or database in the world from anywhere.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually he IS smarter. Read back on that issue where he was stomping the Crimson Dynamo.

[opppirme]

i think when it all end thors going to be part of the new f4 thats why i think hes already in the book replaceing thing