Singer intereated on directing Superman vs Batman

[SUPERSEBAS]

It would be good that Singer direct Superman vs Batman? o you prefer Nolan?

[y2jversion1]

Singer would suck.

BTW, already a thread here: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241063

[Galactical]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.

[boydston_14]

^What Calactical said.

[cabel]

collabrative effort

[Xybalba69]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.


meaning...there would be no fights ?? or that Super gets another butt-kicking lesson ??

given that Singer said,..."the villain might be Batman."..

[retconned]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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[boydston_14]

^Ouch.^

[TrueBeliever]

Um... Right. What retconned said. ...But not as strongly.

As Singer said, Superman needs to have more of an identity before this film. Not only that, but Batman needs to own up to his nickname "Detective" first as well. Though, I'm pretty sure we'll see that when he starts hunting down the Asylum escapees. The end of Begins hinted toward that, I think.

[dpm07]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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[The Caped Knight]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.

I agree

[KON - EL]

why cant both direct?

[retconned]

why cant both direct?

Because Singer sucks and Nolan is a god.

[KON - EL]

Because Singer sucks and Nolan is a god.
we know singer can't do batman , but do you think nolan can do superman?

[retconned]

Deff, Nolan actually knows how to tell a character driven story and doesn't surround himself with idiots like Dougherty/Harris.

[Borat]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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[Triligors]

I personally don't think Nolan can do Superman since he is a director that loves realism whil Superman is more mythological and science fiction.

[retconned]

Its very possible to ground Superman in realism, it just takes some talent and writing ability. I belive this was another thing Singer promised and didn't deliver on.

[BatFitz]

Even though I don't see this happening in the coming future...um, I'd have to say I'd like both nolan and singer to collaborate

[Cinemaman]

I'd like to have both Singer and Nolan in this project, or at least action sequences and dialogues for Singer and storylines for Nolan.

[Mentok]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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Batman Begins like all of Nolans work is highly overrated.

[retconned]

Batman Begins like all of Nolans work is highly overrated.

Nolan's work is better than anything Singer ever did. Usual Supsects is overrated, and Batman Begins is not only light years aboce Superman Returns, it's better than X-Men as well.

Nolan/Goyer is a much better and smarter combo than the wack pack ( Singer/Harris/Dougherty ).

[Anita18]

At this point, I trust Nolan's vision way more than I do Singer's. The only Singer movie I get truly excited over is Usual Suspects, cause it's just so much fun, LOL. The X-men films were all overrated IMHO, and even though I liked SR it could have been so much better.

Memento was hauntingly eerie, and I remember seeing parts of Insomnia and liked that as well. BB blew all of my expectations away, I couldn't get enough of it. If Nolan was able to resurrect the Batman franchise from the brink of utter oblivion in the kind of fashion he did, I trust that he'll be able to do something great with a Superman/Batman movie.

..I personally don't know what (to me the worlds of Supes and Bats is like night and day), but at this point I definitely trust Nolan more than Singer.

[dpm07]

I have a lot more faith in Nolan being able to do Batman and Superman, than I do having Singer and his whack pack of fools (Harris & Dougherty) provide a treatment for Batman and Superman.

[retconned]

The wack pack would destroy everything Nolan has built. The only familiarity Singer probably has with Batman is the old Adam West tv series.

That would be Singer's Batman, a sequel to that bloody Batman movie with Adam West, and then all the Singer fanboys can say he is just using vague history.

[Mentok]

Nolan's work is better than anything Singer ever did. Usual Supsects is overrated, and Batman Begins is not only light years aboce Superman Returns, it's better than X-Men as well.

Nolan/Goyer is a much better and smarter combo than the wack pack ( Singer/Harris/Dougherty ).

ROFL... Why are you attacking Singer? I didnt even say he was better than Nolan :confused:

[Mentok]

The wack pack would destroy everything Singer has built. The only familiarity Singer probably has with Batman is the old Adam West tv series.

That would be Singer's Batman, a sequel to that bloody Batman movie with Adam West, and then all the Singer fanboys can say he is just using vague history.

Get over the whole "OMG! Singer only watched teh Donner film!!!111" because its simply not true :o

It would still be better than getting yet another Batman film where Bruce Wayne is more interesting than Batman.

[buggs0268]

Nolan or someone else. Keep Singer away from it. Damn, remember last year when we heard the news we were all excited he was on Superman. Singer you had our backs, and you fed it up.

[Nightwing1977]

Deff, Nolan actually knows how to tell a character driven story and doesn't surround himself with idiots like Dougherty/Harris.

Because you didn't like SR, you consider the writers? Wow! I would like to see you try & make better story than you. Otherwise, you're just ranting & complaining, making you look like one instead. Just don't sit your butt on the chair & complain online if you think they are idiots. Try writing a movie & see if you can do better. And Nolan is not a god. He's great, but a god? Not really. :p

And I rather both Singer & Nolan handle it. One direct Supes & other direct Batman in the movie. :)

[retconned]

Because you didn't like SR, you consider the writers? Wow! I would like to see you try & make better story than you. Otherwise, you're just ranting & complaining, making you look like one instead. Just don't sit your butt on the chair & complain online if you think they are idiots. Try writing a movie & see if you can do better. And Nolan is not a god. He's great, but a god? Not really. :p

And I rather both Singer & Nolan handle it. One direct Supes & other direct Batman in the movie. :)

1. I only bashed the writers because there bad at there job and they wrote a boring, un-romantic, excitement lacking film. They couldn't even accomplish what they set out to do in the first place, let alone could they grasp Batman and Superman together.

2. I have no doubt in my mind I could write a better story than the wack pack.

[retconned]

Get over the whole "OMG! Singer only watched teh Donner film!!!111" because its simply not true :o

It would still be better than getting yet another Batman film where Bruce Wayne is more interesting than Batman.

Yes, because it is so evident Singer knows something about Superman outside of Donner's film. What, a comic cover?

And I bet you would like to go back to how the old Batman films were made, you know, where the villian got more character development and screen time.

Your opinion is as one sided as the so called haters on the Superman boards, your just at the other end of the spectrum,

[Nightwing1977]

1. I only bashed the writers because there bad at there job and they wrote a boring, un-romantic, excitement lacking film. They couldn't even accomplish what they set out to do in the first place, let alone could they grasp Batman and Superman together.



Just because they didn't write the way you want don't mean they are idiot.



2. I have no doubt in my mind I could write a better story than the wack pack.

LMAO!! Yeah right, kid. Keep telling yourself that, because I doubt you can. You got to have a big ego to think you're better at telling a story than 2 professional writers in Hollywood that wrote 2 great comic book movies. If you're better than them, why are you wasting your time sitting your butt on the chair, while whining & complaining about SR not done your way on the computer? Shouldn't you be writing something now & send it to Hollywood as proof you are better? I pity your shallow mind with your ego problem here. Oh well. May as well take some Ritalin. It good for your soul. ;)

[Mentok]

Yes, because it is so evident Singer knows something about Superman outside of Donner's film. What, a comic cover?

And Nolan only used 2 comicbooks to get his story... Oh and all the other crap Batman films for the stupid black rubber suit.

And I bet you would like to go back to how the old Batman films were made, you know, where the villian got more character development and screen time.

Dont speak for other people, you come off as a dick... Almost as badly as your first post in this thread. What I want (and what I was told I was getting) was a Batman film, yet again they failed and made Batman the least interesting character. It should be called 'Bruce Wayne Begins' not 'Batman Begins'.

Your opinion is as one sided as the so called haters on the Superman boards, your just at the other end of the spectrum,

Yes it is, since I thought the film was good (could have been better) and I listed my numerous complaints with the film.

That makes me just like you :rolleyes:

[Hunter Rider]

I voted Nolan but i'd take JJ Abrams:up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

a joint effort from Nolan and singer.

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[DrMylesOBoogie]

Keep Singer the hell away from Batman. I wouldn't even have him return for a Superman film.

[dpm07]

Keep Singer the hell away from Batman. I wouldn't even have him return for a Superman film.

I agree with you.

The thing is, if you have another director come in for Superman, they either need to do a reboot, or find a way to deal with the kid, as I'm going to guess there's directors that wouldn't want him there in the first place. The kid is a difficult plot device to work around or get rid of.

It looks like Singer and his whack pack Harris & Daugherty are going to be given the greenlight to do the sequel as they will be at Comic Con this year talking about SR.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

ah.. there are many ways they can go..i would imagine killing the kid is a god way to start..or even have the kid grow up at a accelerated pace and have the kid be the bad guy..like a new take on bizaro.

[Iceburgeruk]

Hopefully batman vs superman won`t happen while singer is in charge because hopefully nolan will object to the idea due to singers hackiness not fitting with the great stuff nolan himself is doing with the batman mythos.

I mean how can batman be the villain? If batman is a villain a) it is way off the mark and b) thereby he would be taken down in 5 secs. if he didn`t have kryptonite on him supes would tap him once on every joint (knees and elbows) and then hoist the paralysed batman on his back and fly him to prison. What kind of fight scenes can you have between superman and batamn in that situation? Its like punisher vs hulk, it is nearly completly infeasible.

[Mentok]

I mean how can batman be the villain? If batman is a villain a) it is way off the mark and b) thereby he would be taken down in 5 secs. if he didn`t have kryptonite on him supes would tap him once on every joint (knees and elbows) and then hoist the paralysed batman on his back and fly him to prison. What kind of fight scenes can you have between superman and batamn in that situation? Its like punisher vs hulk, it is nearly completly infeasible.

Batman has beaten Superman in almost every fight they have ever had.

[retconned]

Just because they didn't write the way you want don't mean they are idiot.



LMAO!! Yeah right, kid. Keep telling yourself that, because I doubt you can. You got to have a big ego to think you're better at telling a story than 2 professional writers in Hollywood that wrote 2 great comic book movies. If you're better than them, why are you wasting your time sitting your butt on the chair, while whining & complaining about SR not done your way on the computer? Shouldn't you be writing something now & send it to Hollywood as proof you are better? I pity your shallow mind with your ego problem here. Oh well. May as well take some Ritalin. It good for your soul. ;)

1. Yes, there idiots. They have wrote two comic book films. X-Men 2, while a decent flick, left alot of things to be desired, the problem with all 3 X-Men films. At the end of each film, I said to myself.....thats it. And the wack pack's work of heart filled art, Superman Returns, is famous in my eyes for it's so called romantic story that made all the teeny bopper film romances look like Oscar gold, and all the epic scenes that lacked most if not all substance.

2. Don't come at me with your pathetic Ritalin jokes or say that I have a qoute on qoute shallow mind. I didn't say a good or bad word about this film until I watched in theaters, and it was awful. I went in to the theaters happy, and left pissed off. So know, Im not like all the fanboys on this site who talked up the movie, good or bad, before they watched it. You aren't ready to get in my cyber face, you little c#ck muscle.

[retconned]

And Nolan only used 2 comicbooks to get his story... Oh and all the other crap Batman films for the stupid black rubber suit.



Dont speak for other people, you come off as a dick... Almost as badly as your first post in this thread. What I want (and what I was told I was getting) was a Batman film, yet again they failed and made Batman the least interesting character. It should be called 'Bruce Wayne Begins' not 'Batman Begins'.



Yes it is, since I thought the film was good (could have been better) and I listed my numerous complaints with the film.

That makes me just like you :rolleyes:

1. True, Nolan only used about two comic books and the rubber suit, but Nolan made a great film, so it's ok :up: Not to mention it wasn't a knock off of the source material ignoring franchise of old, so another high five goes Nolan's way, as well as David Goyers.

2. I am a dick, I know. Im sorry that I waited all these years for the greatest Superman film ever and I didn't get it. To believe I actually defended this movie before it came out, that I waited to see it and then pass judgement, and then for it to be the piece of **** that it was.

And by the way, Bruce Wayne IS Batman. The true Bruce Wayne is Batman, and being that it was his origin, it made alot of sense for it to be centered around Bruce without the mask, seeing that it's Batman anyway. The disguise is the playboy Wayne, who we didn't see much of. So yes, you got alot of Batman, in his early stages. Im sure in the sequels to come you will the great detective at work.

[Mentok]

1. True, Nolan only used about two comic books and the rubber suit, but Nolan made a great film, so it's ok :up: Not to mention it wasn't a knock off of the source material ignoring franchise of old, so another high five goes Nolan's way, as well as David Goyers.

Sorry, BB is not a great film.

2. I am a dick, I know. Im sorry that I waited all these years for the greatest Superman film ever and I didn't get it. To believe I actually defended this movie before it came out, that I waited to see it and then pass judgement, and then for it to be the piece of **** that it was.

Guess what, you are in the minority... get used to it.

And by the way, Bruce Wayne IS Batman. The true Bruce Wayne is Batman, and being that it was his origin, it made alot of sense for it to be centered around Bruce without the mask, seeing that it's Batman anyway. The disguise is the playboy Wayne, who we didn't see much of. So yes, you got alot of Batman, in his early stages. Im sure in the sequels to come you will the great detective at work.

Yes thats true, unfortunetly they failed to make Batman interesting at all. But hey, I know im in the minority on that one anyway.

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry, BB is not a great film.


Well i think it was and so do a great majority but that's what makes this argument redundant,it is based solely on subjectivity so no matter how many times you say BB wasn't great or how many times he says SR is crap it doesn't make it fact and statistically speaking both of you are in the minority

[Mentok]

Well i think it was and so do a great majority but that's what makes this argument redundant,it is based solely on subjectivity so no matter how many times you say BB wasn't great or how many times he says SR is crap it doesn't make it fact and statistically speaking both of you are in the minority

Bingo :up:

[LongDong]

Singer sucks and he cannot direct action to save his life. Both X-Men movies had crap fighting and Superman is well, not so super.

Get someone like Cameron or McTiernan.

[Mr. Walters]

I should direct it. No, seriously.

[LongDong]

I should direct it. No, seriously.

You would probably do better than Singer, so you get my vote!!

[Mr. Walters]

You would probably do better than Singer, so you get my vote!!

Why thank you. I thought my version of Superman Returns was better than Singer's, but God only knows what others would think. I have a synopses in the "If you had 200 million dollars what would you do" thread but no one commented. Maybe it was that bad?

[chrisguyver]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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you've got issues my friend. ps singer did an awsome job on superman.

[Spade]

I have no idea where all this Singer bashing is coming from. X3 did horribly because it lacked his direction, and considering that we could have had Tim Burton running the show with his quasi-Superman I think we should all be appreciative that out of the development hell this film went through someone had the incentive to hire a director who at least has the semblance of a desire to stay true to the original material instead of bashing him because he doesn't see the minority's vision of how a Superman film should be directed.

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!

Not to be controversial with such few posts, but seriously...is there something wrong with you? You probably haven't even met the man. I'm no Singer-lover, but he's a lot better than Nolan in a lot of respects.

[retconned]

you've got issues my friend. ps singer did an awsome job on superman.

You obviously don't know what an awesome job is, but I don't have time to explain to you what is wrong with Returns.

[retconned]

I just wanted to add that while Ive read a couple poster's call Nolan overrated, Id like to say that both of Singer's X2 falls into that category, very overrated, although I will be the bigger man and say the first X-Men was a damn good movie, unlike Superman Returns.

[dpm07]

you've got issues my friend. ps singer did an awsome job on superman.

Singer did a poor job on Superman Returns. This is reflected in his blind insistence of just using the Donner film, and the fact that the film is not what audience's wanted to see in a Superman film. One only has to look at the box office to see that.

Devil Wears Prada was actually competitive with Superman Returns. Either that film is very good or SR is very poor. Either way, it's a sad testament to SR when a niche film like DWP can compete against a film that is "supposed" to be the biggest film of the year. POTC 2 has literally blown SR out of the water.

People who say well box office receipts don't mean a film is good are on crack. People do thinks because they like them when it comes to consumer products, and films are consumer products. One doesn't buy a luxury item because they don't like it. One goes to see a film because they do like it. It's really rather simple. People are not going to see Superman Returns because it's really not a film that people are interested. Hence, they don't like what they are seeing or hearing. This is a poorly written film, and it's paying the price for that at the box office.

POTC 2 is a film that has all the ingredients needed to make a great film, and it works. Why? It has a strong balance of those ingredients. This is something SR is severely lacking.

Making a Superman film exciting, entertaining, and interesting should not be hard. There's no reason Spiderman should be successful and Superman is not. Both are exciting heroes and entertaining. The difference is that Raimi didn't have poor writers doing the movie who are just his friends. He may have had friends, but they were talented. Also, Raimi understands what it takes to make a great superhero film in today's world. Singer either doesn't know or has forgot.

[Spade]

Making a Superman film exciting, entertaining, and interesting should not be hard. There's no reason Spiderman should be successful and Superman is not. Both are exciting heroes and entertaining. The difference is that Raimi didn't have poor writers doing the movie who are just his friends. He may have had friends, but they were talented. Also, Raimi understands what it takes to make a great superhero film in today's world. Singer either doesn't know or has forgot.

Though I can agree with you on everything else, don't you think that part of the issue here is that they're using a Superman who is seemingly god-like whereas Spider-Man has at least the average identification with the average moviegoer through Peter Parker is part of the flaw? Not everyone can relate to a character who can move continents with a mild (Kryptonite-impeded, even) effort.

[dpm07]

Though I can agree with you on everything else, don't you think that part of the issue here is that they're using a Superman who is seemingly god-like whereas Spider-Man has at least the average identification with the average moviegoer through Peter Parker is part of the flaw? Not everyone can relate to a character who can move continents with a mild (Kryptonite-impeded, even) effort.

I don't have a problem with the allegories and metaphors via visuals like seeing Superman near the sun. This is actually no great revelation. What is an issue is making Superman (like you say) so god-like powerful. I also feel that providing him a son really hurt the film as well, because now you have to either include him in every sequel, or find a reason not to since he has now become so intertwined to Singer's franchise. Singer wouldn't have put the son in their unless he wanted him to be a focal point.

One rule of film, is that when you make children or animals a major character in a film, they take the focus off of the primary character. This is simple filmmaking 101. One doesn't put either into a film unless they want them to be part of the franchise. Again, really including the child was a mistake, and something that has probably alienated many fans of Superman.

Not including a supervillain was a recipe for disaster. It may have worked in the 70's, but here's a reality check...It's not only not the 70's, it's not even the 20th century. Audiences change, and to be a successful writer or filmmaker, one needs to be cognizant of the changes, and have the ability to adapt. Singer gambled and lost. He's a competent director, and I'm sure his career will rebound. I don't think he was the right man to provide a Superman film. He excluded too much of what has made Superman popular in the past decade for what made Superman popular 30+ years ago.

[larryfilmmaker]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.

That's insane. Nolan isn't a Batman fan at all... watching Begins shows us that, just like Singer clearly had no idea what X-Men was. The Spidey films and Superman Returns were clearly films made by guys who LOVED the material and knew how to handle the characters... they didn't just throw some cheeseball rugged one liners up on screen. Nolan doesn't understand how to give a MYSTIQUE to Batman, and he'd probably ruin Superman even more. Just my opinion, but 20 years from now, Nolan's Batman won't have that epic or special feel to it... it'll just feel like the popular "darkness" trend of the early millenium. My favorite films are the ones made BY TRUE FANS who UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE IS NECESSARY WHEN ADAPTING TO THE BIG SCREEN. Those were all in big letters because somebody will read the "true fans" part and reply that a fan doesn't know how to appeal to the big audience or something. Anyways, that's my take on it... I just hope it's made out of love for the characters, not out of just trying to make it happen for money and bragging rights.

[larryfilmmaker]

I don't have a problem with the allegories and metaphors via visuals like seeing Superman near the sun. This is actually no great revelation. What is an issue is making Superman (like you say) so god-like powerful. I also feel that providing him a son really hurt the film as well, because now you have to either include him in every sequel, or find a reason not to since he has now become so intertwined to Singer's franchise. Singer wouldn't have put the son in their unless he wanted him to be a focal point.

One rule of film, is that when you make children or animals a major character in a film, they take the focus off of the primary character. This is simple filmmaking 101. One doesn't put either into a film unless they want them to be part of the franchise. Again, really including the child was a mistake, and something that has probably alienated many fans of Superman.

Not including a supervillain was a recipe for disaster. It may have worked in the 70's, but here's a reality check...It's not only not the 70's, it's not even the 20th century. Audiences change, and to be a successful writer or filmmaker, one needs to be cognizant of the changes, and have the ability to adapt. Singer gambled and lost. He's a competent director, and I'm sure his career will rebound. I don't think he was the right man to provide a Superman film. He excluded too much of what has made Superman popular in the past decade for what made Superman popular 30+ years ago.


Honestly, I think that giving a main character a son is usually a cheap way to spawn sequels, but I was surprised that I thought it worked brilliantly this time. He wasn't a sassy, annoying, blockbuster stereotype wise cracking son (see Mummy Returns for best example). He was quiet, and he served a very important purpose. He made Superman more relatable in that he's now a father (people always whine that he's not relatable, do they not?) and he completed the cycle from Jor-El to Kal-El to Jason. I think the boy will be raised by Marsden, not Superman.... just like SUperman was raised by Johnathan Kent, not Jor-El... both are good MEN who will raise him to see the new world through the eyes of a human, not a stranger. I honestly think that Superman's son will be dead by the third movie because there is no better way to relate Superman to the world of 2006 than to have him bury his own son, something nobody should ever have to do but so many people have recently. I think the son works so well because he merely serves his purpose and advances the story into the unknown, which is far more important than advancing it into the freak of the week formula we may get w/ the Batman sequels (or like Smallville lol). Roger Ebert claimed that the child should have been "sassy". That alone proves that the audience is getting dumber and the bar for greatness is sadly lowering. No kid with a serial killer watching over him and his mom would be cracking jokes. Ebert, you've fallen hard.

On a side of a side note... I predict that ZOD will return. Why? Superman = Jesus. Jor-El, having sent his only son to better the world, = God. Zod, banished by Jor-El from Krypton like Lucifer was banished from Heaven by God, = Satan. What better direction to take the story than to have Zod temping Superman w/ the possibility of darkness... or better yet, tempting his son?

[LongDong]

I have no idea where all this Singer bashing is coming from. X3 did horribly because it lacked his direction, and considering that we could have had Tim Burton running the show with his quasi-Superman I think we should all be appreciative that out of the development hell this film went through someone had the incentive to hire a director who at least has the semblance of a desire to stay true to the original material instead of bashing him because he doesn't see the minority's vision of how a Superman film should be directed.



Not to be controversial with such few posts, but seriously...is there something wrong with you? You probably haven't even met the man. I'm no Singer-lover, but he's a lot better than Nolan in a lot of respects.

It came from Singer giving us a crappy fillm. 2 in a row in fact.

[retconned]

Would Burton's Superman Lives have been f#cking awful.........Yes

Is that an excuse for Singer and the wack pack's piece of sh#t adaption.....No

[Spade]

It came from Singer giving us a crappy fillm. 2 in a row in fact.

Yes, but to actually curse out the guy for being who he is before the idea has even gone into the pre-production phase and before we even know if he will be considered for directing this film is rather harsh.

[retconned]

Yes, but to actually curse out the guy for being who he is before the idea has even gone into the pre-production phase and before we even know if he has a great interest in directing this film is rather harsh.

Yea well Singer was being pretty harsh to me when he made Superman Returns.

[retconned]

And I want to know who the 7 guys are that want Singer to ruin Batman?

[Steelsheen]

i voted OTHER.

i just think that a neutral director, one who hasnt worked with either franchise would do a better job in portaying each character equally instead of overemphasizing one or underrepresenting the other.

[GL1]

While I certainly enjoyed Superman Returns, and appreciate it for invigorating the Superma mythos in a way rarely seen, and even though I beleive he has some ability to balance these two characters evenly, I don't know that he WILL. I'm not sure Singer won't change Batman's personality and M.O, or would in some other way make him inequal to the great Superman. I'm not sure Singer would keep it fair, or fun.

It's possible, the idea of Batman being a "villain" in a movie where the twist is that the villain is trying to save lives and the "hero" is the pawn is an exciting one, but I'd rather have an impartial third party, as someone else stated.

[chosen1]

Keep Singer Away From All Projects Batman

[Clouseau]

what about a possible joint venture between Singer and Nolan??? i think i'd like to see that...

what i'm debating, though, is while i think i'd like to see a Superman vs. Batman movie, i'm not sure about Routh vs. Bale... i'm not sure who i'd prefer, though, so i guess it doesn't matter...

[larryfilmmaker]

I'm so confused here. Superman Returns was a bad movie but Batman Begins was great?! WHAT?! Turn down the testosterone and the hard on for grit and look at how two dimensional and cheesy Batman Begins was (though I admit, it was way better than "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin"). I don't know how big of a Batman fan Singer is... but Nolan clearly wasn't either, he just threw in some half assed "character development", some fight scenes where you couldn't tell what was going on, and Christian Bale doing a Henry Rollins impression. IF Singer is a Batman fan, I say he'd be great for this... simply because he was a Superman fan and he nailed every important aspect of the character with one outting, payed tribute, yet left openings for the unknown. For the complaint that he would make Batman inequal... how the hell do you NOT make him physically inequal? Batman fought Al Ghul on a train. Superman can lift a train. See the difference? The story, folks, is in their two completely different points of view. There is gold there, if it's handled right. A guy who doesn't have to work out, who has every reason in the world to do whatever he wants, but still walks a very straight moral line... paired with a mortal man who dresses like a bat to hide his mortality. Trust vs. Fear, that's the real story. I know Nolan would make it cheesy as hell with Batman zinging Supes with one liners and keeping up with him every step of the way by unpredictable means. He'd probably pull a Frank Miller, and make every character with integrity a screw up who's full of crap and doing it for selfish reasons. I don't think Singer would treat Batman like garbage, but I don't know for sure. I'm a huge fan of Superman and Batman both, character wise. In the movies, I think Superman Returns nailed Superman and Batman Begins was so insultingly stupid... but like Pirates, it's hailed as great because the bar is lowering so damn much because instead of great, inspiring and original storytelling, we're more obsessed with good guys with a bad side. haha, Superman and Batman have a bit of a war going on in our newest cartoon... I'll plug it when it's online to see.

[Hunter Rider]

^^^^^^^^Opinion and little more IMO

[el sensei]

Batman Begins like all of Nolans work is highly overrated.
thats so true and batman begins is no where near superman returns

[LongDong]

Keep Singer Away From All Projects Batman

Keep Singer away from HOLLYWOOD!!!!

[KaptainKrypton]

The fact that people are actually arguing over a Superman/Batman movie is RETARTED. World's Finest would be a waste of time. If you're going to do a crossover movie...do it right. Make a Justice League film. Establish each character (or a majority of the main ones) in their own franchises, then finish it off with JL. Wonder Woman and Flash are already in development. A well done JLA film would make enough money to literally swim in. I love how it's so en vogue to hate Singer these days, when a lot of the noobs don't even have any kind of clue as to the history of the production or of the previous franchise and all of the near-misses that were narrowly evaded. I loved SR and BB, even if they weren't exactly what I would've done (but then again I'm not a Hollywood director, either). Each to his/her own, I guess.

[Steelsheen]

KK, they need to start somewhere, a JLA movie (as much as i would love to have one) would be a bite too big to chew. even the thought of merging the creative teams that brought the BB and SR franchises to life would be pretty hard to wrap your mind around on, and you're not even considering the costs. if they do manage to bring a WF movie worthy of the name whatever work and cost they did on that will be at least double what they're gonna have to do for a JLA movie.

[KaptainKrypton]

KK, they need to start somewhere, a JLA movie (as much as i would love to have one) would be a bite too big to chew. even the thought of merging the creative teams that brought the BB and SR franchises to life would be pretty hard to wrap your mind around on, and you're not even considering the costs. if they do manage to bring a WF movie worthy of the name whatever work and cost they did on that will be at least double what they're gonna have to do for a JLA movie.
Not necessarily. It's all in how you shoot the film (locations, size and types of sets, etc.) and what the story is geared around. If they're fighting off a full-scale alien invasion on land, then it'd get costly, but the film wouldn't be slammed full of FX shots for the whole 2-3 hours, I'd hope. X-Men 3 cost around $200 million and was loaded with action (even if they forgot the story, the FX and action were pretty good). If the JLA movie was going to be good, the story would have to be a solid ensemble piece showing the strength of each character. Even the JLU series isn't wall-to-wall action, but also has it's primary strength with the character scenes.

[larryfilmmaker]

actually I thought the action in all of the X-Men movies was laughable wirework and kung fu crap

[LongDong]

actually I thought the action in all of the X-Men movies was laughable wirework and kung fu crap

Escpecially in X2. My god that movie was horrible

[GreenKToo]

as did I...i voted OTHER.

i just think that a neutral director, one who hasnt worked with either franchise would do a better job in portaying each character equally instead of overemphasizing one or underrepresenting the other.

[hippie_hunter]

what about a possible joint venture between Singer and Nolan??? i think i'd like to see that...

what i'm debating, though, is while i think i'd like to see a Superman vs. Batman movie, i'm not sure about Routh vs. Bale... i'm not sure who i'd prefer, though, so i guess it doesn't matter...

I would actually like to have Nolan and Singer produce with a different person directing. With Bale and Routh. And no Batman vs. Superman, World's Finest. Instead of having them fight each other, have them work together.

[MJB]

I personally don't think Nolan can do Superman since he is a director that loves realism whil Superman is more mythological and science fiction.


Realism? You mean like the water vaporizing machine in Batman Begins that well vaporizes water, but skips over the human body?????

[larryfilmmaker]

Nolan DID say Batman Begins was realism. Can't argue with that. Of course, he's completely wrong in saying so, but he DID say that it was "gritty reality" and that it woudl be "as if a man REALLY wanted to go out and do what Batman does"

[Sarcasm]

I posted this in the Returns forum, but I geuss it belongs here as well......

LEAVE IT TO CHRISTOPHER NOLAN GOD DAMNIT

If I can be totally tasteless for a minute, Singer you son of a b*tch, if you touch this movie I'll kill you. Me, killing you, remember it. Leave this film to Nolan and Goyer, don't you or your pathetic lackeys Harris and Dougherty get near this precious piece of work, we don't need two and a half hours of nothing, just plain and simply mother *****ing nothing.

Nolan will own your god damn, mother *****ing soul Singer and you better remember that. Go make Logans Run and stay the ***** away from Batman. You have no right, no god damn right, to ***** on what Nolan has started, just like you ***** on everything that has helped the character of Superman evolve post-Donner.

DO NOT HARM BATMAN!
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Ok retconned AHAHAHAHAAH!!! You passionate nerds make me smile.....and cry a little.

[LongDong]

Realism? You mean like the water vaporizing machine in Batman Begins that well vaporizes water, but skips over the human body?????

If the "water" in the human body had the same properties as the water in your toilet bowl, you would have evaporated years ago

[ChrisBaleBatman]

LOL........ownage.


Anyways, if I had my choice.....I'd have it be a different team, different people. So that way, when it crashes.....it will leave Batman and Superman's respective properties alone.

Seriously.....mashing these two up. It's not necessary b/c WB knows they can probably make more money separated.

Nolan could make a solid Superman, no doubt I think.....if he would ever get interested in it I think. He seems like the type of dude that if he puts his mind to it, he can wrap his mind around a subject.

And I think there is no doubt at all that Singer could make a good Batman movie as well. He's great for dark films, X-MEN and X2 are proof.

But together? I dunno......seems like such a balancing act that you'll piss someone off.

[House_of_El]

I think they both should direct. Singer could do his Superman while Nolan could do his stuff with Batman. Get the writers from Superman Returns and the writers from Batman Begins and the composers from both films. With this alliance it would be a perfect movie.

[WhatsHisFace]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.
Agreed.

Actually, Singer should handle the deeper emotional moments too, if any. But in a movie like this I'd think there would be lots.

[LongDong]

Singer sucks

[Kal-El Reeve]

I just find all of this funny. From retconned's asinine posts to the fact that there is so much bashing on both sides. Personally I think Batman Begins had its good points and its bad points. But it could have been a lot better. I loved Superman Returns and I still thought that there was more that could have been done.

Both franchises are back after Marvel has been ruling the movie scene. You people say Superman Returns did not do so well. Well in the U.S. it didn't because of a lot of things. From people who wanted Tom Welling, hated the costume, hated Routh, the casting, more along the lines to the Donner films, etc. But over all Superman Returns did better worldwide than domestically. Which is quite a shock personally where this is Superman's home country.

To those people who say they can write a Superman movie. There would probably be so many fanboy references to make the general audience think that it is a P.O.S. like Catwoman and Batman and Robin. Sure there were too many Chris Reeve's Superman references in SR, which did not help Brandon become his own Superman while using a little of Chris' to still keep some similarites. Dougherty and Harris are not Benton, Puzo, Mankiewicz, Newman, and Donner. They did what they could and it showed Superman at the core and reintroduced the characters we all know. You people wanted to much for a Superman Movie. And I hope that Singer brings something good with the Sequel

I think that if they had more writers then it might be more on par with S:TM
If Superman IV: The Quest for Peace's budget wasn't so strewn across with Cannon's other project and Reeve got back a lot of the elements that helped make Superman The Movie what it was then IV might have been A Lot better. I think his story was also along the lines of Superman's true character.


Singer did what he could and to some of us he delivered, others was short, and then are those vocal naysayers who hate anything that is not their idea.

Now back to the topic at hand. If we get a world's finest. I agree the two directors produce and another comes in to direct

[ad101867]

Singer for the fights. Nolan for everything else.

I fully agree. Nolan is brilliant with actors and story - but absolutely sucks at fight scenes. (I'm holding out hope he'll surprise me with The Dark Knight.)

[mojo-x]

I believe Singer should not direct another superhero movie for a long time if ever. I do not hate everything that is not my idea, I just hate bad ideas.

[Spiderine]

He could go back to Xmen.

[X-Maniac]

Singer was much better at X-Men, for sure. He had an affinity with the themes of the source material. And even then, some characters weren't right. But I thought his sense of realism and careful thought were plus points, and I would have liked to see his versions of Sentinels. I think he (and Guy Dyas) does a good job of making extreme/absurd/fantastical concepts into something realistic - Cerebro, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Colossus, for instance. Those things could easily have been disastrous and ridiculed to hell.

Having said that, most of the production designs for X3 were pretty good, though not all.

Singer should return to X-Men and give us his Sentinels and maybe even his Phoenix (in the form of Madelyne Pryor or Rachel Summers). With Spielberg as executive producer (as on TF), it will make sure the action is dynamic and not over-stylised.

[X-Maniac]

In terms of the question of this thread, I'd have voted 'other'. Nolan should be left to his grittily dark Batman, I don't think Bryan Singer is right either. But I don't like the Batman vs Supes movie idea that much, i think JLA is a better option.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just find all of this funny. From retconned's asinine posts to the fact that there is so much bashing on both sides. Personally I think Batman Begins had its good points and its bad points. But it could have been a lot better. I loved Superman Returns and I still thought that there was more that could have been done.

Both franchises are back after Marvel has been ruling the movie scene. You people say Superman Returns did not do so well. Well in the U.S. it didn't because of a lot of things. From people who wanted Tom Welling, hated the costume, hated Routh, the casting, more along the lines to the Donner films, etc. But over all Superman Returns did better worldwide than domestically. Which is quite a shock personally where this is Superman's home country.

To those people who say they can write a Superman movie. There would probably be so many fanboy references to make the general audience think that it is a P.O.S. like Catwoman and Batman and Robin. Sure there were too many Chris Reeve's Superman references in SR, which did not help Brandon become his own Superman while using a little of Chris' to still keep some similarites. Dougherty and Harris are not Benton, Puzo, Mankiewicz, Newman, and Donner. They did what they could and it showed Superman at the core and reintroduced the characters we all know. You people wanted to much for a Superman Movie. And I hope that Singer brings something good with the Sequel

I think that if they had more writers then it might be more on par with S:TM
If Superman IV: The Quest for Peace's budget wasn't so strewn across with Cannon's other project and Reeve got back a lot of the elements that helped make Superman The Movie what it was then IV might have been A Lot better. I think his story was also along the lines of Superman's true character.


Singer did what he could and to some of us he delivered, others was short, and then are those vocal naysayers who hate anything that is not their idea.

Now back to the topic at hand. If we get a world's finest. I agree the two directors produce and another comes in to directNot true. It did 200mil in the states and 191mil overseas.

[bethehero7404]

My thoughts:

Singer has had decent films: The Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil
Nolan has had amazing films: Memento, Insomnia, Batman Begins

Here's my take-Don't do this at all unless we have a collaborative effort between DC and the studios. Have a comic book writer write the thing and keep Christian Bale and well if we have to, keep Brandon "couldn't fill Christopher Reeve's boots" Routh, then we have to.

I think if they go with a film, they need to do a "World's Finest" story line. Have them have a common threat, have them both meet up, hate each others methods, fight over it, have a love interest get involved, have a common goal, push differences aside after one fight and then have them attack the villain to save the girl.

There. COPY-PASTE-PRINT aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand PUNT!

[bethehero7404]

^it may be cookie cutter and an obvious plot, but with Hollywood right now, anything will work.

[bethehero7404]

Man I ramble...

I do see "Creative Differences" written all over it. I do think Nolan for writing and directing, Singer for getting coffee and stocking the catering truck.

[luca_frontino]

Frank Miller.

[That'ssuper!]

If he directs this, death will meet both franchises.

[hammy]

I believe Singer should not direct another superhero movie for a long time if ever.
:up:

[singer_will_fly]

Would you prefer a McG superman, another smallville, or maybe another X3. Listen Superman Returns is just the begining. Singer has said that the next superman will be his Wrath of Kahn. X2 was much better than X-Men 1. Just give the guy a chance. I trust him, we should all trust him, he loves Supes, and knows how to make good movies. Let's go out there and let the world know that the next Superman MUST be a SINGER/ROUTH Superman. Let's give them a chance, because the alternative is horrifying!:super: :super: