Have you ever heard of ChoicePoint?

[Cho Chang]

Have you ever heard of ChoicePoint?

[Kaleb]

not until now :confused:

[reggiebar]

Of course...

[War Lord]

What is choicepoint?

[Cho Chang]

What is choicepoint? They're kind of like a Wal-Mart of private investigator firms. They collect and compile data on people all over the world. Things like Medical, tax, insurance claims, voting, telephone and income records. Then they sell it to anyone willing to pay for it. The government, more often then not.

[reggiebar]

What is choicepoint?
They are the company that provided Jeb Bush with the list of 94,000 names to "scrub" in Florida in the 2000 election that helped his idiot brother steal the elction and steal the Presidency. Bush Co. used them again (a guise on having a list to fight the war on terror) to try to steal the election in Mexico away from the left-leaning candidate Lopez Obrador. However, Lopez Obrador is not going down easy like Gore did and he is currently not conceding the election and won't stop until there is a complete recount of the close to 1 million votes that have "been lost". Sound familiar? Yeah, think Florida in 2000, but on a much larger scale. In fact, it is only George Bush and his spokesman Tony Snow who have said the Electoral Commission has chosen a winner and that winner is their boy, Felipe Calderon. The elections in Mexico are far from over despite what Bush Co. states. BTW, that idiot George Bush actually called Calderon and congratulated him even though thre Mexican Electoral Commission has yet to announced results and declare a winner.

Anyhow, ChoicePoint is bad, bad news and if I was any of you, I would learn as much about them as possible.

[Kaleb]

that **** is scary :(

[reggiebar]

They're kind of like a Wal-Mart of private investigator firms. They collect and compile data on people all over the world. Things like Medical, tax, insurance claims, voting, telephone and income records. Then they sell it to anyone willing to pay for it. The government, more often then not.

Our corrupt government loves ChoicePoint and uses their lists to rig elections not only in the US, but in Latin American countries that have left-leaning candidates who won't be puppets to Bush Co. (do some research on ChoicePoint and you will soon find you will be frightened of just what information the US government is gathering on its citizens).

If you are American and you believe that you are living in a "FREE" country you couldn't be more wrong. It is 1984 people.

[Cho Chang]

They are the company that provided Jeb Bush with the list of 94,000 names to "scrub" in Florida in the 2000 election that helped his idiot brother steal the elction and steal the Presidency. Bush Co. used them again (a guise on having a list to fight the war on terror) to try to steal the election in Mexico away from the left-leaning candidate Lopez Obrador. However, Lopez Obrador is not going down easy like Gore did and he is currently not conceding the election and won't stop until there is a complete recount of the close to 1 million votes that have "been lost". Sound familiar? Yeah, think Florida in 2000, but on a much larger scale. In fact, it is only George Bush and his spokesman Tony Snow who have said the Electoral Commission has chosen a winner and that winner is their boy, Felipe Calderon. The elections in Mexico are far from over despite what Bush Co. states. BTW, that idiot George Bush actually called Calderon and congratulated him even though thre Mexican Electoral Commission has yet to announced results and declare a winner.

Anyhow, ChoicePoint is bad, bad news and if I was any of you, I would learn as much about them as possible. :up: Disco. Do you read Palast? He's got a really interesting chapter in his latest book about CP.

[reggiebar]

:up: Disco. Do you read Palast? He's got a really interesting chapter in his latest book about CP.

I have been reading Palast since the 2000 election as he is the only reporter who does any actual "reporting". American reporters don't report, they repeat. Repeat what the government gives them to repeat. Palast is a true reporter the likes of which America hasn't seen since Watergate. Seriously, what is the last big news story that was actually broke in America due to reporting since Watergate? None. It is a sad fact when the only journalism that actually does any reporting in America is sports journalism. Political, Corporate journalism - DEAD in America. It is disgusting!

[Cho Chang]

I have been reading Palast since the 2000 election as he is the only reporter who does any actual "reporting". American reporters don't report, they repeat. Repeat what the government gives them to repeat. Palast is a true reporter the likes of which America hasn't seen since Watergate. Seriously, what is the last big news story that was actually broke in America due to reporting since Watergate? None. It is a sad fact when the only journalism that actually does any reporting in America is sports journalism. Political, Corporate journalism - DEAD in America. It is disgusting! Angelina Jolie had a baby. It's name is Shiloh. "Look at the little bunny, America. Wook at da wittle buwny."

[Cho Chang]

Oh, and Jennifer Aniston is fine with it, so we can all rest easy.

[Batty for Bats!]

Interesting, but out of my hands. :up: That's messed up about the rigging tho. :down

[Corinthian™]

They are the company that provided Jeb Bush with the list of 94,000 names to "scrub" in Florida in the 2000 election that helped his idiot brother steal the elction and steal the Presidency. Bush Co. used them again (a guise on having a list to fight the war on terror) to try to steal the election in Mexico away from the left-leaning candidate Lopez Obrador. However, Lopez Obrador is not going down easy like Gore did and he is currently not conceding the election and won't stop until there is a complete recount of the close to 1 million votes that have "been lost". Sound familiar? Yeah, think Florida in 2000, but on a much larger scale. In fact, it is only George Bush and his spokesman Tony Snow who have said the Electoral Commission has chosen a winner and that winner is their boy, Felipe Calderon. The elections in Mexico are far from over despite what Bush Co. states. BTW, that idiot George Bush actually called Calderon and congratulated him even though thre Mexican Electoral Commission has yet to announced results and declare a winner.

Anyhow, ChoicePoint is bad, bad news and if I was any of you, I would learn as much about them as possible.
it was 3 million and you have no ****ing idea of what **** you are spewing:down

[Cho Chang]

it was 3 million and you have no ****ing idea of what **** you are spewing:down I was under the impression that it was 3 million in 2004. And as far as I know about ChoicePoint, reggie was pretty acurate in his description.

[Corinthian™]

I was under the impression that it was 3 million in 2004. And as far as I know about ChoicePoint, reggie was pretty acurate in his description.
Uhm... the whole votes "missing" were actually not

you see. It was agreed in the elections of 2000 and 2006 by the candidates and the parties to put aside all of the electoral booths that come in with some inconsistentness like missing numbers or illegible writings and stuff like that. All of those would be put in a file. It was agreed in february by the parties. Lopez Obrador just used that information to throw off the people who didn't know

And not only Bush congratulate Calderon, but various presidents including the Socialst Prime minister of Spain.

[U.S War Machine]

Never heard of em

[reggiebar]

it was 3 million and you have no ****ing idea of what **** you are spewing:downYes, I do have an idea of what I am spewing as the number of "supposidly" blank votes in the Mexican election is "now" being reported at around 904,000 - although that number is still in debate as there could be as many as 3 million votes in question - not just blank votes.

I am very aware of what I am spewing as I have been following this on a daily basis since before the election on July 2nd.

[Corinthian™]

Yes, I do have an idea of what I am spewing as the number of "supposidly" blank votes in the Mexican election is "now" being reported at around 904,000 - although that number is still in debate as there could be as many as 3 million votes in question - not just blank votes.

I am very aware of what I am spewing as I have been following this on a daily basis since before the election on July 2nd.
good grief

where do you get your numbers?

[reggiebar]

Uhm... the whole votes "missing" were actually not

you see. It was agreed in the elections of 2000 and 2006 by the candidates and the parties to put aside all of the electoral booths that come in with some inconsistentness like missing numbers or illegible writings and stuff like that. All of those would be put in a file. It was agreed in february by the parties. Lopez Obrador just used that information to throw off the people who didn't know

And not only Bush congratulate Calderon, but various presidents including the Socialst Prime minister of Spain.
One, I didn't say that Bush was the only one to call him and congragulate him on the "supposed" win. Did I? Yes, he is one of a HANDFUL of foreign leaders to call him. Bush is still an idiot for doing as much despite that the Prime Minister of Spain also made the same mistake. In fact, Calderon is currently trying to distance himself from Bush and even made the statement "Tear down that wall. Build no walls".
So, there mister big shot...what exactly don't I know what I am talking about again? The Mexican election on July 2nd? I understand that situation quite well. The 2000 American election? I really understand that election. ChoicePoint? I know ChoicePoint all too well. The company is located in the same city that I live in here in Goergia - Alpharetta, GA.

Try to bring it because I feel like taking you to school right now.

Do you want to start diuscussing how the White House obtained Mexican voter rolls from ChoicePoint which is illegal in Mexico as voter rolls are considered private and confidential. Perhaps you want to discuss how the ruling party, the PAN, not only obtained these voter rolls, but used them for campaigning which is illegal.

[Corinthian™]

Do you want to start diuscussing how the White House obtained Mexican voter rolls from ChoicePoint which is illegal in Mexico as voter rolls are considered private and confidential. Perhaps you want to discuss how the ruling party, the PAN, not only obtained these voter rolls, but used them for campaigning which is illegal.
What the hell?

[reggiebar]

What the hell?

Exactly. You have no idea what you are talking about Sparky if you don't know about ChoicePoint's involvement with obtaining voter rolls and the ruling parties attempt to distance themselves by attempting to arrest ChoicePoint's agents by putting out warrents for their arrest. ChoicePoint has since apologized to the Mexican government. However, the election is far from over as "the Elections Tribunal will decide by August whether, in fact, the election has to be annulled and a new election held. There’s a lot of talk among political leaders there quietly that annulment of the election is a strong possibility."

Save it pally as you are the one who is in the dark on this subject.

[Corinthian™]

Exactly. You have no idea what you are talking about Sparky if you don't know about ChoicePoint's involvement with obtaining voter rolls and the ruling parties attempt to distance themselves by attempting to arrest ChoicePoint's agents by putting out warrents for their arrest. ChoicePoint has since apologized to the Mexican government. However, the election is far from over as "the Elections Tribunal will decide by August whether, in fact, the election has to be annulled and a new election held. There’s a lot of talk among political leaders there quietly that annulment of the election is a strong possibility."

Save it pally as you are the one who is in the dark on this subject.
no, it's not like that. It was like a What the hell you get from a TheSumOfGod's post.

And yes, it is a strong possibility. But I rather see Calderon on the precidency than a ****ing Salinist that will lead us to Economical chaos

[reggiebar]

no, it's not like that. It was like a What the hell you get from a TheSumOfGod's post.

And yes, it is a strong possibility. But I rather see Calderon on the precidency than a ****ing Salinist that will lead us to Economical chaos

I don't understand about TheSumofGod reference, but I do understand what is going on with the election and I take offense with your posts in this topic that question my understanding of this subject.

I am not some idiot who posts blind with no knowledge of the topic at hand. If you come at me with the same vigor that you did in your first post while attempting to doubt my knowledge of this subject, I will have to further demonstrate that I know more about what is happening with the Presidential election in your own country than you know.

So, quit while you are behind before you completely bury yourself.

Now, if you are discussing who is a more worthy candidate for the Presidency, Calderon or Obrador, you better know more on that subject than I do as you actually live in the country. However, about these elections and the possible involvement of ChoicePoint and the American Government, that is a different subject entirely. I have been closely following the ChoicePoint connection to the White House for 6 years now and how that connection has branched out beyond the USA.

[reggiebar]

This has been fun, but I am sleepy and need to hit the hay. Peace.

[Corinthian™]

I don't understand about TheSumofGod reference, but I do understand what is going on with the election and I take offense with your posts in this topic that question my understanding of this subject.

I am not some idiot who posts blind with no knowledge of the topic at hand. If you come at me with the same vigor that you did in your first post while attempting to doubt my knowledge of this subject, I will have to further demonstrate that I know more about what is happening with the Presidential election in your own country than you know.

So, quit while you are behind before you completely bury yourself.

Now, if you are discussing who is a more worthy candidate for the Presidency, Calderon or Obrador, you better know more on that subject than I do as you actually live in the country. However, about these elections and the possible involvement of ChoicePoint and the American Government, that is a different subject entirely. I have been closely following the ChoicePoint connection to the White House for 6 years now and how that connection has branched out beyond the USA.
Well, what you are just doing is spewing misinformation for me. I mean, I've been close to what had happened in this election. Believe me, the only one's that I've heard of commiting fraud(somewhat) are of the Lopez Obrador's party which I know that received some funds from the Cartels.

And it seems that everyone in the news (which in some cases just don't have any alligences) agree that the elections were transparent and were fair and that Lopez Obrador's just trying to gather fuss because he can't accept that he lost

[Super Mark]

Weird. I've NEVER heard of them, and I thought I knew a lot of stuff. But now I know. Thanks.

[reggiebar]

Well, what you are just doing is spewing misinformation for me. I mean, I've been close to what had happened in this election. Believe me, the only one's that I've heard of commiting fraud(somewhat) are of the Lopez Obrador's party which I know that received some funds from the Cartels.

And it seems that everyone in the news (which in some cases just don't have any alligences) agree that the elections were transparent and were fair and that Lopez Obrador's just trying to gather fuss because he can't accept that he lost

It is not misinformation at all. Click on this link http://www.gregpalast.com/section/articles and then click on "WATCH THE REPORT" (it is from Democracynow.org) and you might gain some knowledge on the subject that is not being reported by the mainstream press in Mexico. Obrador even has video of ballot stuffing in the election.

I have said it once and I will say it again, stop doubting my knowledge on this subject as The PAN stole the vote - period.

Once you have watched the video and done some research other than mainstream media, get back to me. Until then...save it.

[Super Mark]

Oh, and good choice, adding pie. Though I voted, "No, what's Choicepoint?" my second choice was definitely "Pie."

I do like a good piece of pie.

Piece out. So to speak.

[Corinthian™]

It is not misinformation at all. Click on this link http://www.gregpalast.com/section/articles and then click on "WATCH THE REPORT" (it is from Democracynow.org) and you might gain some knowledge on the subject that is not being reported by the mainstream press in Mexico. Obrador even has video of ballot stuffing in the election.

I have said it once and I will say it again, stop doubting my knowledge on this subject as The PAN stole the vote - period.

Once you have watched the video and done some research other than mainstream media, get back to me. Until then...save it.
The PAN did not stole the votes

All those "blank ballots" are not "blank ballots". Those are "null ballots". And it's common to see up to 3% of Null Ballots. You can also watch the tendency of Null Ballots on poorer states. And you can say that poorer states have literacy problems.

And you see all that counting ballot problems. You know why? Because they were already count. It is also stated in the Mexican constitution that you cannot simply open the boxes where the ballots are at. Unless they fill out a number of requirements, such as if there was negligence or the origin of the box is questionable or if the acts(tally sheets) where the votes are stated(one that's on the box and one that's send to the Federal Electorial Institute) do not match. So you cannot just open the ballot boxes because then the elections may be void.


As for the ballot stuffing and claiming(on the website) that there's no security, that's bull****. And I know about it very well. Why? Because I know it. The goverment did not count the votes. The ones that counted them were citizens who were chosen at random.

IFE's one of the most transparent institution in this country.

And the claims they made are clearly out of hand and do not take the things in contest

Calderon's not the US's puppet. Clearly as that. If you know about Lopez Obrador's career, there's a lot of dirt. Simply in his latest administration, there was some videos floating around, with two of his close buddies with a bag of Dollards and talking about betting. The money's Mexican money...

[reggiebar]

Keep trying to fool yourself into believing the propaganda you are being fed...it worked for many of the sheep in the US....start baahing now little sheep.

[jaguarr]

Damn, reggiebar is reminding me A LOT of PALADIN in this thread. :o

jag

[reggiebar]

Damn, reggiebar is reminding me A LOT of PALADIN in this thread. :o

jag

I miss him actually...well, not when he lost it at the end, but when he would be able to keep his cool and articulately discuss topics...obviously, discussing too many topics with the masses at the Hype caused him to flip, but he was once a great and insightful poster...I almost lost it many times when thealmightyfuzz used to post in political topics and actually had to ignore the whole community section when she was still posting, because her idiocy combined with her stubbornness to actually learn anything through fact drove me nuts...Corinthian is reminding me a lot of Fuzz in this topic.

[Corinthian™]

Keep trying to fool yourself into believing the propaganda you are being fed...it worked for many of the sheep in the US....start baahing now little sheep.
The same I could say with you

but really, even if there was something, it would be like having an election between aa mild "right winger"(which in the USA is still from the left) against a Salinist with the facade of a "left winger"(which is not that much appart from PAN).

Even then, believe me. Mexico is a good democracy. All that **** is from the past and I've yet to see some really big fraud. Obrador and his people have been proven ever since the 3rd of July that they have been just spinning facts towards their own agenda

And I know this elections were clean because I saw it myself...

[PLAS]

The same I could say with you

but really, even if there was something, it would be like having an election between aa mild "right winger"(which in the USA is still from the left) against a Salinist with the facade of a "left winger"(which is not that much appart from PAN).

Even then, believe me. Mexico is a good democracy. All that **** is from the past and I've yet to see some really big fraud. Obrador and his people have been proven ever since the 3rd of July that they have been just spinning facts towards their own agenda

And I know this elections were clean because I saw it myself...
you saw ****

only reggiebar's eyes are open, clean and squeaky

[PLAS]

from wikipedia:
Reliant Energy
Palast asserts that Reliant Energy maintains a file on him, including false data regarding his sex life, which they distribute as propaganda against him (1-p.112).


interesting fact

[reggiebar]

you saw ****

only reggiebar's eyes are open, clean and squeaky
Yes, because Corinthian was at every polling location :rolleyes:

Save it PLAS.

[PLAS]

Yes, because Corinthian was at every polling location :rolleyes:

Save it PLAS.
but you were there, right?

what do you want me to save?

[reggiebar]

what do you want me to save?

nothing.....

Honestly, you might think that Palast is crazy, but he really isn't. Watch the video report at his site as it backs up all of his claims. He is one of the few journalists throughout the World that actually "report" through investigative journalism and not simply "repeat" what governments and corporations would like fed to people.

[Mr Sparkle]

so basically, after much deliberation I went on a net crusade so i could see this "stolen election"
yeah, It didn't happen. it seems reggiebar is basing his viewpoint out of like 2 sites, when Both Cor. Plas and me have the wealth of information, both extreme right and left that abounds in our country.
La jornada is completely ANTI-PAN yet these millions of null votes for Obrador that Reggie is talking about?

they didn't cover them, they MUST be in on it.

see, the things that reggiebar thinks happened, didn't, and if there where voter irregularities they seem to be not so obvious because even Obrador himself hasn't spoken of these packets that supossedly contained a million votes in his favor, and has had a very hard time prooving his case in Court, so much so, that he has scheduled another protest for the weekend.

gee. seems like distraction to me.

[reggiebar]

so basically, after much deliberation I went on a net crusade so i could see this "stolen election"
yeah, It didn't happen. it seems reggiebar is basing his viewpoint out of like 2 sites, when Both Cor. Plas and me have the wealth of information, both extreme right and left that abounds in our country.
La jornada is completely ANTI-PAN yet these millions of null votes for Obrador that Reggie is talking about?

they didn't cover them, they MUST be in on it.

see, the things that reggiebar thinks happened, didn't, and if there where voter irregularities they seem to be not so obvious because even Obrador himself hasn't spoken of these packets that supossedly contained a million votes in his favor, and has had a very hard time prooving his case in Court, so much so, that he has scheduled another protest for the weekend.

gee. seems like distraction to me.


No. No final decesion has been made yet.

Here you go. From Newsday

No rush to certify Mexican election
Procedures should take their course to ensure a valid result
BY MARK ENGLER
Mark Engler, an analyst with Foreign Policy In Focus, covered the elections from Mexico City.

July 14, 2006

When a hotly contested electoral race comes to a close, almost everyone prefers to wake up the next morning knowing who the winner is. But sometimes, such as in the July 2 presidential election in Mexico, the race proves so tight that certifying the outcome requires careful, transparent and, yes, often slow deliberation. In such cases, taking time can be the best option for democracy.

It may come as a surprise to many Americans to hear that there is no winner yet in the Mexican presidential election. Although most news sources in the United States rushed to declare conservative Felipe Calderón the victor last week, when the completed vote count showed him with a 0.6-percent advantage, the race has not officially been called. With the work of Mexico's vote-counting body now done, the country's Federal Elections Court is responsible for verifying the count, resolving any outstanding disputes and announcing an official winner.

Part of Calderón's campaign strategy has been to behave as if the election is a done deal, and he is already president. We shouldn't play into this game by misunderstanding Mexico's electoral process or prematurely insisting on a victor.

Unlike the United States, Mexico has an extended lame-duck period after its elections. The next president will not take office until December. Moreover, Mexican law gives the Federal Elections Court until the first week of September to reach its decision. The court has the power to open ballot boxes, to mandate a vote-by-vote recount and even to order a new election. A full recount is now one of the central demands of progressive candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador's campaign, with significant support in the wider electorate.

By taking advantage of the time afforded it and creating as much transparency as possible in its review, the Federal Elections Court can work to restore public confidence in the country's democratic institutions - something diminished by perceptions of irregularities in last week's vote-counting.

On Monday, López Obrador filed a challenge with the court alleging numerous problems with the election. While U.S. observers might feel inclined to see López Obrador's challenge as a case of sour grapes, most Mexicans recognize it as a legitimate part of the process. Given a long history of electoral fraud in the country, the candidate would be foolish not to question irregularities.

Among other respected institutions, the Catholic Church in Mexico has defended López Obrador's right to contest the vote count before the Federal Elections Court and even to call for public protests - such as the one that drew hundreds of thousands of supporters to Mexico City's central square last Saturday. Peaceful protests are indicative of an engaged citizenry unwilling to accept the type of chicanery that long dominated the country's political system.

Of course, protests should not merely decry an unwanted result. They must be based on evidence of wrongdoing. International observers have widely confirmed that Election Day at a majority of polling places looked very different from days in decades past, when vote-buying and ballot-box manipulation were the norm. Still, irregularities in the vote-counting process merit attention.

López Obrador's campaign has suggested there may have been problems in the tallies at up to a third of the approximately 130,000 polling stations. The campaign played a pivotal role in drawing attention to more than 2.5 million ballots that had initially been left out of the preliminary count - ballots that served significantly to reduce Calderón's lead. Finally, López Obrador has produced evidence pointing to the possibility of unseemly collusion between Calderón's camp and the long-ruling conservative Institutional Revolutionary Party.

Supporters of López Obrador contend the incidents cited in his petition to the court will prove significant enough to alter the election's outcome. Meanwhile, Calderón's team is confident that the charges won't amount to anything. Regardless of who might be vindicated, the demand for a full recount seems perfectly legitimate.

The United States can play a constructive role by holding back and allowing time for this to happen. President George W. Bush added to the confusion last week by being one of the first international leaders to call Calderón to congratulate him on his win. The White House later defended the call but also said that it would welcome López Obrador in the same manner if Mexican authorities alter the final result of the election.

Steering clear of the rest of the electoral dispute altogether would be the most diplomatically sound path for the Bush administration - and the most helpful for strengthening Mexico's democracy.

NOTHING IS CLEAR YET.

[reggiebar]

Pretty much every major news Site is stating that nothing has been finalized yet and that there is a very good chance that Obrador's may win his case in court.

[Mr Sparkle]

ahahahaha! who said that there was a decision made?, but I liked this one

"most Mexicans recognize it as a legitimate part of the process. Given a long history of electoral fraud in the country, the candidate would be foolish not to question irregularities."

this dude is either In Mexico city (who went to obrador by an absurd margin , because he is Governor there) or making stuff.
it's not "most mexicans" because, well, I'm surrounded by "most mexicans" and they really don't think he has a claim. people that supported him have been put off by the constant marches.
if he has evidence and is to present it at the tribunal DO IT, marches don't produce evidence, it's political posturing.
he himself is a former member of the PRI party (the ruling party before Fox and the one with senatorial majority untill THIS election) infact, he is not even contesting the Senatorial race :confused: so he thinks people voted for Pan, just not for president, because he is sooooooo awesome :rolleyes:
I also liked this tidbit

"Part of Calderón's campaign strategy has been to behave as if the election is a done deal, and he is already president. We shouldn't play into this game by misunderstanding Mexico's electoral process or prematurely insisting on a victor."

ah yes, Calderon, the master manipulator.
say, what was that party that said "we won" even though there was no official result for the exit poll on sunday night.
oh yeah, it was Obrador and his PRD that held a "victory celebration" at 11:00 pm on sunday 5 hours before any announcement on the exit poll was made.

of course, no further mention of the "ballot padding video" has been made since it was prooven false. except the PRD leader saying he disclosed the video with "no ill intent"

oh, and this last one "Pretty much every major news Site is stating that nothing has been finalized yet and that there is a very good chance that Obrador's may win his case in court."
well, the first part is tru, nothing is finalized, as far as the "very good chance" no, not really.

[Cho Chang]

Regardless of whether or not the Mexican election was stolen, ChoicePoint definitely "was" collecting information on Mexican voters. Two ChoicePoint workers were actualy arrested in Mexico for it. This thread is not about Mexico's recent election, if I wanted to start a thread about that I would have. This thread was created to make people aware of a company that sells your personal information to domestic and foreign governments (since they legally can't collect it themselves).

[Mr Sparkle]

Regardless of whether or not the Mexican election was stolen, ChoicePoint definitely "was" collecting information on Mexican voters. Two ChoicePoint workers were actualy arrested in Mexico for it. This thread is not about Mexico's recent election, if I wanted to start a thread about that I would have. This thread was created to make people aware of a company that sells your personal information to domestic and foreign governments (since they legally can't collect it themselves).

well, I know, don't get so sensitive about it :)