Rogue's non-control of her powers [Archive]

Eirliel

07-13-2006, 05:48 AM

warpdrive

07-13-2006, 05:51 AM

I didn't read about this yet, what method did he use?

Eirliel

07-13-2006, 07:25 AM

I can't remember any real methods, so obviously it was more of a "here, learn by osmosis thing," by that I mean he DIDN'T help her at all

Chasers1984(2)

07-13-2006, 07:37 AM

Actually Cyclops never had brain damage. If you have been reading the most recent issues of Astonishing you would know that the brain damage was basically an excuse for him to not be in control. It's this really long passive aggressive thing that he does but it makes perfect sense. And is actually quite interesting and broadens his character greatly.

As for Rogue... what exactly would you have Xavier do? There was a time when she could control her powers and it was retarded beyond all compare. I mean her gene makeup dictates that she can absorb other's energy and use it. Not amount of tinkering with the mind is going to change basic genetic makeup. So there's really nothing he could do. Maybe along the lines of recalling past powers but nothing would come of him trying to teach her to touch people without absorbing them.

Eirliel

07-13-2006, 07:50 AM

But he never even tried. And if you suscribe to the genetics can't be controled theory, none of the mutants would be able to control their powers.

Eirliel

07-13-2006, 07:53 AM

I, personally, would try the option perscribed in the short lived TV show The Sentinal: imagine your powers as a dial(like volume dials on your stereo) and turn it down or off.

HandOfFate

07-13-2006, 09:12 AM

IIRC, Rogue does have control of her powers, she just doesn't know it. Correct me if I'm wrong but Rogue's Carol Denver personality had control of Rogue's absorption abilities.

Rogue and Scott have the same problem.

masterj

07-13-2006, 10:53 AM

It's true that the Carol Danvers personality who used to inhabit Rogue's body with her could contorl the apsorption powers. this lead many to belive that it is an emotional reason that Rogue can't contorl her powers. This could be possibly due to the trauma she faced after her powers manifested on her first kiss. If it is an emotional problem Xavier should have really helped her a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't means he is a useless teacher who had not fufilled his promise to help her with her powers.

HandOfFate

07-13-2006, 11:12 AM

If it is an emotional problem Xavier should have really helped her a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't means he is a useless teacher who had not fufilled his promise to help her with her powers.

Well, remember that Rogue's psyche is extremely hard to manipulate because of all the personalities within her head. Xavier could have tried to cure Rogue but the multiple personalities hamper his abilities to the point that all he can do is reinforce Rogue’s psyche.

masterj

07-13-2006, 11:24 AM

Yer but surely he could change things bit by bit over the course of her stay with the X-Men. A pyschic theraphy lesson every now and then could have sorted her powers out years ago.

Slim_X

07-13-2006, 12:07 PM

I don't think Xavier ever helped her really to control her powers, I mean it's not like Cyclops who had slight brain damage(which is why he can't control his), she just needs to be trained. :mad: GRR at Xavier for that!
I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday, but in the end I think she'd be too powerful if she could control her powers.

Cosmic Mind

07-13-2006, 05:34 PM

maybe its emotional, maybe not, who knows, but what if she learn to control the amount of energy/power/memories that she absorbs???? there must be a way.... just to reduce the absortion, not to stop it....

Fenryr

07-14-2006, 12:22 AM

There was a bit of her training with Xavier in Rogue's Marvel Icons mini a couple years ago, but it didn't really deal with control of her powers. He seemed more focused on blocking out other people's memories by putting up "psychic walls".

As for being written poorly when she had control over her powers, that's more to do with the writer's competence than just "the idea is bad".

Specter313

07-14-2006, 01:36 AM

Xavier isn't about just giving people a "quick fix" to their problems. For them to grow and truly be able to accept their powers, they have to do the work themselves, and not just sit back and let Xavier do it. Rogue's inability to control her power so that she can touch others without absorbing them has wildly been suggested to be an emotional one for her, such as the times when Ms. Marvel's mind took over her body and she could touch others. If Rogue wants to be in control, she needs to learn to confront whatever is stopping herself on her own, and not rely on others to do it for her.

masterj

07-14-2006, 01:38 AM

Yer but Xavier could atleast guide her. He could have told her that it is an emotional problem and let Rogue go on from there. For all Rogue knows she thinks it's in her genes which is why she can't contorl it. Xavier could have atleast told her there was something she could have done herself in which case she probably would have worked alot harder at it.

Specter313

07-14-2006, 02:01 AM

chris moore

07-14-2006, 03:22 AM

Three words: FORGE NEUTRALISING DEVICE

Something she can switch on or off at will to negate or allow her powers. So many villains have used such things over the years, but no one has ever given rogue one to use around the mansion, in her private life or in public when not on a mission. Somethin starts up? She flicks it off and goes to work. Kinda like Kurt walking round with an image inducer

warpdrive

07-14-2006, 06:37 AM

well it seems in a wierd way the problem fixed itself, the latest ultimate x-men graphic novel: gambit is killed while to defend rouge from juggernaut and as he dies he gives his remaining power to her. Now she is able to touch whoever she wants.

Fenryr

07-14-2006, 10:04 AM

Eirliel

07-17-2006, 01:17 AM

I've previously thought about the mechanical device to control her powers, and, while it's a good idea, it isn't fesible for anything but a backup really. But to reiterate, SHE WAS NEVER HELPED OR TAUGHT, how is she to magically learn how to control it, it's like expectinga person who's lived in the wilderness and never had human contact to know how to read or do trigonomitry or something asinine like that. She's only observed that others can control their powers, but she's never been taught HOW!

Red Mask

07-17-2006, 06:03 AM

Yes! OK! Xavier NEVER taught her how! Satisfied?

ghost113

07-17-2006, 02:51 PM

How many years as she been an X-man and she still can't control her powers, she's a cool charcter but it's kind of pathetic, that she has no control over it.

Phoenix342

07-17-2006, 07:33 PM

I dont think its pathetic that she cant control it, i mean it's her mutation it is in her skin to absorb others lifeforce or mutation, it's genetic, that would be like a white person trying to make their skin black just by concentrating, it just wouldnt happen. It's not the fact that she didnt try to learn or noone helped her it's just that she cant turn it on or off, it's that simple.

Red Mask

07-17-2006, 09:17 PM

No. The absorbed Carol Danvers personality proved she could touch other people with Rogue's body. (Somebody find the Uncanny X-Men issue for that.) So it shows that Rogue can mentally control it if she pursued the means.

tirminyl

07-18-2006, 08:02 AM

Like everyone stated. It's an emotional issue that Rogue needs to deal with.

ghost113

07-18-2006, 01:59 PM

Maybe I was hars with the whole pathetic thing but other characters have gone through worse and they don't freak out except wither, he just ran away.

whitestar15

07-19-2006, 07:58 PM

Hi, I'm new here and i was just wondering if Rogue can absorbe the energies of animals.

Mistopurr83

07-19-2006, 08:19 PM

Hi, I'm new here and i was just wondering if Rogue can absorbe the energies of animals.

If the animal has fur than I'm sure there would be no absorbtion.

If Rogue and Cyclops can't ever control their powers than for now their only solution is to wear a device that turns off their powers for when their not in battles. I don't know why writers at Marvel don't consider this for them.

warpdrive

07-20-2006, 01:39 AM

If the animal has fur than I'm sure there would be no absorbtion.

If Rogue and Cyclops can't ever control their powers than for now their only solution is to wear a device that turns off their powers for when their not in battles. I don't know why writers at Marvel don't consider this for them.

I don't know maybe there just allowing it to make it dramatic. With all the various writers taking on the task of wrting this series they probably thought of that a long time ago.

Exploding Boy

07-20-2006, 01:43 AM

I dont get how everyone can have a power inhibitor but Xavier can't get Rogue that looks like a bracelet or necklace

ghost113

07-20-2006, 08:28 AM

I'm suprised beast or Forge didn't build one they could have easily done it.

masterj

07-20-2006, 08:52 AM

Part of what makes Rogue Rogue is the fact that she can't control her powers. It is her flaw and what often appeals to people. Giving her a way to contorl her powers may make her a useful character but would possibly lower her appeal. I think rather than give her a power inhibitor she should learn to control her powers, which should have started along time ago.

ghost113

07-20-2006, 01:46 PM

That too, she has been an x-men for years now has anyone sat her down and said maybe we should learn how to control your powers better.

Eirliel

08-03-2006, 01:10 AM

There is the thought that she could have learned to control the absorbtion on her own from being around those that have learned to control their powers, such as from hearing and working on her own, but that just still says that she could learn, that she is NOT incapable of control. And to those that say "it's her emotions, she can't control her emotions"(bloody whiners), I'm sorry didn't Bruce Banner learn to control his emotions to combine and control the Hulk persona in his psyche. :hulk:, The vast majority of the 90's Hulk comics had this in them, hell, he and Betsy got married after he learned to control himself(I had the mini comic about it).

mad_harleyq

08-03-2006, 04:35 AM

its the same thing with wolverine, the prof never was able to restore his memories, you also have to keep in mind that, it wouldnt be that simple,the prof doesnt know everything, even though they write him as he does, i know he doesnt know how to deal with everything, its like when emma help iceman with that hole in his chest, he had to do it on his own, if rogue cant do it, then thats all that left, no one else can do it but her

November Rain

08-03-2006, 04:42 AM

of course xavier helped her, he gave her GLOVES DAMMIT

ruby quarts shades are to cyclops as gloves are to rogue...

:o

he sorted her out in like 10 seconds, no probs...

besides, i think xavier is more about acceptance rather than anything else and i don't think she had anywhere else to go, hence why she was taken in...

mightiest_mortal

08-03-2006, 06:33 AM

besides, i think xavier is more about acceptance rather than anything else and i don't think she had anywhere else to go, hence why she was taken in...
Yeah.. I think he wants his X-Men to learn to accept their powers and use them responsibly. Just sticking an artificial control on them to control a part of themselves just seems a bit dodgy unless it is essential for saving lives.

I never got why Nightcrawler had an image inducer... to me it seemed like it stood against everything that the X-Men stand for. Its the equivalent of back when there was all the civil rights movements for equal oportunities for black people, giving all the black people image inducers so that they could all look white too.

warpdrive

08-07-2006, 03:31 AM

Yeah.. I think he wants his X-Men to learn to accept their powers and use them responsibly. Just sticking an artificial control on them to control a part of themselves just seems a bit dodgy unless it is essential for saving lives.

I never got why Nightcrawler had an image inducer... to me it seemed like it stood against everything that the X-Men stand for. Its the equivalent of back when there was all the civil rights movements for equal oportunities for black people, giving all the black people image inducers so that they could all look white too.

Good point! lol image iducers for black folk it does have a cop-out element to it.

heypapajinx

08-11-2006, 04:10 AM

i agree. i don't think there is anything that she can do within her own psyche that will help to better control her powers. the skin to skin contact has to do with her makeup on the molecular level. the times that she has been able to enjoy the feel of anothers skin has been when her powers were lost/weakend by external forces. other than that, the only instrument Xavier could offer her was the use of gloves.

Eirliel

08-17-2006, 04:58 AM

One would asume that people would have different veines of thought and not merely agree with whatever another tells them like blind little lemmings. I believe that if Xavier were to spend more time training her and less time acting the "tragic hero" (woe is me, my best friend tried to kill me and left me in a wheel chair for the rest of my tragic life, pity and revere me) maybe she might have a small nuance of control. In the beginings of the comics, he acctually helped people, but by the time Rogue came around, all he seemed (in my opinion) to want was people to worship him while he "gave" them a place to "be welcomed", but he stopped helping anyone.