Based on Previous movies.....

[chaos123x]

Based on Previous movies..... Tell why or why not you think Micheal Bay would be the best/worst director for Transformers...



I just watched The Island, it was a really cool take on the whole THX/Logans Run genre, he handle the action scenes masterfully.

THe style was also vey good, and it looked sleek.

Coming of a sci-fi movie like this I think Bay might do a good job.


The only thing is that Bay has not had a movie that you could feel the magic in it like how Lucas and Speilburgs early films were.

The Island turned out to be really good, give it a chance.

[xwolverine2]

dreamworks and spileberg have his back this time..

[CFlash]

Based on Previous movies..... Tell why or why not you think Micheal Bay would be the best/worst director for Transformers...



I just watched The Island, it was a really cool take on the whole THX/Logans Run genre, he handle the action scenes masterfully.

THe style was also vey good, and it looked sleek.

Coming of a sci-fi movie like this I think Bay might do a good job.


The only thing is that Bay has not had a movie that you could feel the magic in it like how Lucas and Speilburgs early films were.

The Island turned out to be really good, give it a chance.

The Island was pretty good. But part of that may be because I saw it on DVD on my nice system. I might have felt somewhat different if I saw it in the theaters. It was well-written and well-directed......

But, no. Bay has not reached Cameron,Spielberg, or Lucas status... no matter how much he lies to himself.

I find the "A Michael Bay Film" tagline hilareous. You don't see "A Sam Raimi Film" even though Raimi has made a movies with HUGE followings (Darkman, Evil Dead... not to mention Leonardo DiCaprios's the Quick and The Dead... A Perfect Plan..... not to mention all the Xena zealots that used to exist).... and of course Spidey 1&2.

Quite the contrary. Bay's are some of the most derided movies ever. Just watch last week's Entourage to catch a glimpse of "general opinion" of Bay.

"A Michael Bay Film"
It's almost a joke.

[xwolverine2]

i didnt like the flychase scene..........horrible!

it had its great moments though......

[chaos123x]

Yeah Bay's films are good but they feel DRY and they don't have the magic like other filmmakers films do.

Robert Zemeckis has the magic but he bailed out for some reason.

[xwolverine2]

i agree bay is a bit dry with the action...... but he makes it look like it looks good.lol

[TigerClaw]

I havent seen The Island, But the way he did the action scenes in Pearl Harbor were mind blowing, I really hope to see that level of realistic action in Transformers, Though be it in a present time of course, Heh.

[CFlash]

Yeah Bay's films are good but they feel DRY and they don't have the magic like other filmmakers films do.

Robert Zemeckis has the magic but he bailed out for some reason.

Seriously!!! What happened to that guy? He was possibly the best next to Spielberg.
Oh, I know.... Castaway happened. I hated that movie.

P.S.
Still, I think Zemekis' "What Lies Beneath" is one of the best "classic" (i.e. not Japanese and not BSDM) horror movies to come out in a very long time.

[CFlash]

I havent seen The Island, But the way he did the action scenes in Pearl Harbor were mind blowing, I really hope to see that level of realistic action in Transformers, Though be it in a present time of course, Heh.

It looked good to me too. But lots of WWII afficionados laughed at the way the fighter planes performed. It was just plain unrealistic... and cartoony.

[Hoedowned]

Although I didn't like The Island, Pearl Harbor and some bits of Armaggeddon there isn't one movie by Michael Bay that I hated. I think that it depends on the script. If it's a cheesy script like Pearl Harbor or Armaggeddon (mostly whenever Steve Buscemi or Peter Stormare weren't on it) it's gonna end up as an incredibly cheezy movie. Now if it kicks ass...well you'll see.

But I DO find the "A Michael Bay Film" thing hilarious.

[xwolverine2]

"What Lies Beneath"
^
fav. horror thriller of all time:up:

we finally agree on something:O

i cant remember anything good from pearl harbor....other than it was so long it had to be put on two seperate dvds:(

michael bay is a good director overall:up:

[xwolverine2]

But I DO find the "A Michael Bay Film" thing hilarious.
i dont mind it on transformers.....

BUT WITH TEXAS CHAINSAW i hate that he has anything to do with it!:o :mad:

[TigerClaw]

Lets not forget, Pearl Harbor had one of the most memorable shots, The tracking shot of a bomb as it hits its target, I would expect Transformers have some kind of shot that a lot of people will remember.

[CFlash]

^
fav. horror thriller of all time:up:

we finally agree on something:O

i cant remember anything good from pearl harbor....other than it was so long it had to be put on two seperate dvds:(

michael bay is a good director overall:up:

You've gone up a notch in my book, xw2. :up:

And, yes, Bay is "good." He's not the best... but, there are far far worse. At least he can make lame scripts at least watchable and fun.

[xwolverine2]

And, yes, Bay is "good." He's not the best... but, there are far far worse. At least he can make lame scripts at least watchable and fun.
i liked one line from island...the god one:)

and again... he has lord spielberg on his ass:up:

[CFlash]

i liked one line from island...the god one:)

and again... he has lord spielberg on his ass:up:

And, hopefully Lord S will come in at the end of production Ninja Style and save the movie....

just like he did with Poltergeist. :)

[roach]

I dont judge directors on past work. You'll never know when a good director slumps and a bad director hits one out of the park. Did anyone know while watching Duel that Spielburg was gonna be one of the best directors in history?????? How many people are slamming Lucas for the Prequels yet Star Wars will always be know as the best Sci-fi movie ever?????
Who knew who Peter Jackson was before he made the LOTR films and how many people were disappointed with Kong??????

[Hunter Rider]

Bay is a good choice for this,he would have been my choice outside of Cameron,Spielberg and Scott,ive enjoyed all his movies and his action is some of the best out there especially when it comes to big scale
I hope he can get some of the Rock's drama in there as opposed to the empty eye candy of the Bad Boys movies

[nosebleed.]

Bay's directing style should be perfect for this movie though. Everything is BIG and very explosive...literally. He's the perfect summer popcorn flick movie and I'm sure the movie will deliver in that aspect.

I think the only thing anybody is really worried about is if he will deliver on the character aspect or if he will take the cop out and make it a human movie...I will create a Boycott Michael Bay's Transformers Movie webpage if I found out before the release date that this is so. I will promote it like crazy and will try to promote a general consensus of hate toward what would be TINO if the movie is mostly viewed from a human perspective.

I DO NOT WANT, "AHHHH...watch out for the falling debris from the scary robots *whole movie*."

[CFlash]

I dont judge directors on past work. You'll never know when a good director slumps and a bad director hits one out of the park. Did anyone know while watching Duel that Spielburg was gonna be one of the best directors in history?????? How many people are slamming Lucas for the Prequels yet Star Wars will always be know as the best Sci-fi movie ever?????
Who knew who Peter Jackson was before he made the LOTR films and how many people were disappointed with Kong??????

I tend to agree. Look at Joel Schumacher... his resume was impeccable before he destroyed Batman. He made a ton of top-notch movies (Lost Boys, Flatliners, A Time to Kill, Falling Down, etc). I remember thinking he would be the guy to finally make a true "real" Batman movie. Sadly, it didn't happen.

[TigerClaw]

I tend to agree. Look at Joel Schumacher... his resume was impeccable before he destroyed Batman. He made a ton of top-notch movies (Lost Boys, Flatliners, A Time to Kill, Falling Down, etc). I remember thinking he would be the guy to finally make a true "real" Batman movie. Sadly, it didn't happen.
Thats cause he was trying to make the movies in the same style that Tim Burton did.

[roach]

Thats cause he was trying to make the movies in the same style that Tim Burton did.


actually he was told to make it lighter than Burton's movies

[CFlash]

Thats cause he was trying to make the movies in the same style that Tim Burton did.

What?!

[TigerClaw]

actually he was told to make it lighter than Burton's movies
I guess thats where his versions failed, People were expecting the movies to be dark in the same style of the first two Tim Burton directed Batman movies.

[ragdus]

um, exactly.

[roach]

I guess thats where his versions failed, People were expecting the movies to be dark in the same style of the first two Tim Burton directed Batman movies.


in fact he was told to make them in the same vein as the tv show after parental groups complained about the violence in Batman Returns

[TigerClaw]

This is why Christopher Nolan's take on the Batman franchise was sucessful, He made it as dark as possible, Anyways, As we get back on topic regarding Michael Bay. I havent seen his previous movie The Island, But since that film was released from Dreamworks, Did that film seem any different from any his previous work, Prior to The Island? The majority of his movies were produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and from Disney in terms of style and tone that is. The Island was Michael Bay's 2nd scifi film, His first being Armageddon. With Transformers being his 3rd scifi movie, Has his style changed since working with Dreamworks?

[CFlash]

This is why Christopher Nolan's take on the Batman franchise was sucessful, He made it as dark as possible, Anyways, As we get back on topic regarding Michael Bay. I havent seen his previous movie The Island, But since that film was released from Dreamworks, Did that film seem any different from any his previous work, Prior to The Island? The majority of his movies were produced by Jerry Bruckheimer and from Disney in terms of style and tone that is. The Island was Michael Bay's 2nd scifi film, His first being Armageddon. With Transformers being his 3rd scifi movie, Has his style changed since working with Dreamworks?

The Island wasn't half-bad. Definately an improvement on his other stuff.
The Island tries to be in the same "sci fi" mold as GATTACA and Minority Report and stuff like that.
It's not great (i.e. it's not in my collection- while GATTACA is)... but it is good.

[nosebleed.]

The Island wasn't half-bad. Definately an improvement on his other stuff.
The Island tries to be in the same "sci fi" mold as GATTACA and Minority Report and stuff like that.
It's not great (i.e. it's not in my collection- while GATTACA is)... but it is good.

I still watch Gattaca every now and then...I think its a great flick. I think he was trying to do his version of a Logan's Run and found it pretty good as his first movie away from Bruckhiemer. He will never have the storytelling ability of Zemeckis though. And I don't see how you could've hated Castaway...that movie is Tom Hanks at his most method!

[TigerClaw]

I'm curious as to how the mood of the movie will be like, Do you think it will have a contemporary feel?

[GhostPoet]

Funny enough...I thought Gattaca was OK for a one-time...but nothing great. While the Island (and Armageddon) I absolutely loved...great character interaction and action.

[CFlash]

I still watch Gattaca every now and then...I think its a great flick. I think he was trying to do his version of a Logan's Run and found it pretty good as his first movie away from Bruckhiemer. He will never have the storytelling ability of Zemeckis though. And I don't see how you could've hated Castaway...that movie is Tom Hanks at his most method!

I think I overstated it. I don't hate Castaway. I was just truly expecting to *feel* like I was on that island with him for the full 4(?) years.
When he fast-forwarded I was like "noooo.... what a cop-out!"

But, I did like the ending. And I understand the "story" he was trying to tell. Zemekis is a great story teller. And, Tom Hanks was extraordinary in that movie.

[CFlash]

Funny enough...I thought Gattaca was OK for a one-time...but nothing great. While the Island (and Armageddon) I absolutely loved...great character interaction and action.

Gattaca has all levels of metaphors. It is sci-fi at its absolute best.
I also think Spielberg/Kubrick's AI is one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.
I like my sci-fi... I dunno... deep.

The Island was pretty good. Armageddon, however, is not a sci-fi movie. It's a cartoon... and a bad one at that.

[TigerClaw]

Gattaca has all levels of metaphors. It is sci-fi at its absolute best.
I also think Spielberg/Kubrick's AI is one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.
I like my sci-fi... I dunno... deep.

The Island was pretty good. Armageddon, however, is not a sci-fi movie. It's a cartoon... and a bad one at that.
Armageddon is pretty much scifi, Its about a scenerio thats prety much impossible to happen.

[roach]

Armageddon is pretty much scifi, Its about a scenerio thats prety much impossible to happen.


I dunno a couple of weeks ago we got pretty close to getting hit

[TigerClaw]

I dunno a couple of weeks ago we got pretty close to getting hit
I'm talking about the whole idea of sending astronauts into an astroid and blow it up from there?

[CFlash]

I'm talking about the whole idea of sending astronauts into an astroid and blow it up from there?

I can understand that. That's not even the worst part. It's sending oil rig folks to do the job.... as if Astronauts, who are not just pilots but physists and engineers and who often have to do all sorts of manual labor in space are too dumb to do it.... these people are possibly some of the smartest (and physically fit) people in the country.

This is an interesting article on Bay's cartoons. http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showarticle.php3?ID=7

[nosebleed.]

When he fast-forwarded I was like "noooo.... what a cop-out!"


I understand completely. I was hoping the entire movie would be almost a day to day degradation of his humanity. I felt exactly the same when they went from "healthy" Tom Hanks to "machinist" Tom Hanks without showing the progress.

[TigerClaw]

You know what else I think, This movie will be a surround sound fan's dream, Think about it, Your powered subwoofer are gonna get a lot of work pumping out sounds of metal smashing into each other, Metal feet stomping on the ground and such.

[Golgo-13]

Yeah Bay's films are good but they feel DRY and they don't have the magic like other filmmakers films do.

Robert Zemeckis has the magic but he bailed out for some reason.

..he bailed because the script sucked!

[nosebleed.]

..he bailed because the script sucked!

According to Latinoreview.com the script was pretty damn good. I think I trust their opinion more than yours.

[zer00]

latinoreview likes alot of things

and according to other reviews. the script is very meh

and has ipods and xbox 360's transforming

[nosebleed.]

and according to other reviews. the script is very meh


links?

[CFlash]

links?

http://www.iesb.net/dreamworks2006/052106.php

[MagicPrime]

actually he was told to make it lighter than Burton's movies

I think he misinterpreted "lighter" as having everything glowy and neon - rather than the emotional tone... :rolleyes:

[CFlash]

I think he misinterpreted "lighter" as having everything glowy and neon - rather than the emotional tone... :rolleyes:

Which is weird because Schumacher has made some pretty emotionally dark films. He seemed, beforehand, perfect for Batman... on paper. To bad it didn't pan out that way.

I have a feeling the same will be true with Bay and Transformers. He seems perfect (because of his visual talent). But, in the end, we might leave the theater feeling empty... and dumber.

[Golgo-13]

Which is weird because Schumacher has made some pretty emotionally dark films. He seemed, beforehand, perfect for Batman... on paper. To bad it didn't pan out that way.

..i agree with you there. I think the result of the last 2 Batman films was due to what the studio wanted. Let's hope Dream works and Speilburg keep things on point.

[nightbringer]

Here's my view on Bay. None of his movies, with the exception of The Rock haven't been all that great, but at the same time none of them, with the exception of Pearl Harbor have been that bad. They've all pretty much been okay. Films you didn't regret seeing, or feel robbed for watching, but at the same time films that once you've seen them you pretty much forget about them.

[MagicPrime]

Here's my view on Bay. None of his movies, with the exception of The Rock have been all that great, but at the same time none of them, with the exception of Pearl Harbor have been that bad. They've all pretty much been okay. Films you didn't regret seeing, or feel robbed for watching, but at the same time films that once you've seen them you pretty much forget about them.

Very true - he kinda walks in the film directing twilight zone...

[nosebleed.]

http://www.iesb.net/dreamworks2006/052106.php

If their biggest gripe is Megs being a jet then I might be able to live with that. It is pretty upsetting that Megs doesn't show up in a 111 page script until page 87. The xbox and iPod things...meh, one can only pray they don't have them in the movie. If they are in there then one can only say, "Bay, WTF were you THINKING?"

[xwolverine2]

http://www.iesb.net/dreamworks2006/052106.php
didnt megatron tranform into a jet in cybertron?......whats the big deal?

i dont like the boombox idea....or the usage of the line "more than meets the eye":down .......as for the xbox/ipod........how the hell are those gonna be used without looking retarded:confused:

michael bay used the xbox in the island.........the scene were their virtually kicking ass

[CFlash]

didnt megatron tranform into a jet in cybertron?......whats the big deal?


The big deal is that nobody gives a flying f*.
Spidey had 6 arms at one point. Would you have wanted him to be that way in the very first Spider-man movie???

[roach]

The big deal is that nobody gives a flying f*.
Spidey had 6 arms at one point. Would you have wanted him to be that way in the very first Spider-man movie???


but he also didnt graduate high school, move out of Aunt May's or fight Green Goblin in his first appearance

[CFlash]

but he also didnt graduate high school, move out of Aunt May's or fight Green Goblin in his first appearance

We're talking iconography. Not plot points.

[ragdus]

Somehow they managed to take the iconic optimus and give him moving lips and transform into a gorilla... AND make it something great.

Please, at this point it's superficial quibbling. The people behind transformers have reinvented Optimus so many times now that it's the norm. This is another iteration of the franchise, and another iteration of the character. Like all others he'll have a look unique to this particular part of the franchise. Despite untold numbers of reinterpretations of the character, Optimus is still wildly popular and revered. And the reason he is revered is not because he's the iconic Optimus in alt mode, driving down the road and being something that fits in. He's Optimus when he sheds the disguise, steps up as a leader, and fights with honor, dignity, respect and compassion.

[CFlash]

Somehow they managed to take the iconic optimus and give him moving lips and transform into a gorilla... AND make it something great.

Please, at this point it's superficial quibbling. The people behind transformers have reinvented Optimus so many times now that it's the norm. This is another iteration of the franchise, and another iteration of the character. Like all others he'll have a look unique to this particular part of the franchise. Despite untold numbers of reinterpretations of the character, Optimus is still wildly popular and revered. And the reason he is revered is not because he's the iconic Optimus in alt mode, driving down the road and being something that fits in. He's Optimus when he sheds the disguise, steps up as a leader, and fights with honor, dignity, respect and compassion.

Again, so has Spider-man. But nobody cares. I don't see him having 6 arms in the first Spidey movie. I can assure you lots of us folks couldn't care less about Optimus "Primal"... who AFAIK (and I'm no expert, I assure you) isn't even really Optimus Prime in the continuity.

[ragdus]

Obviously he's not optimus prime in continuity. he's the same character though. he plays the same role, shares the same name... etc.

yes spider-man has been changed. and he always goes back to the same old classic spidey. however, optimus doesn't get the same look time and again. no, his look changes and changes and changes but does not go back to the old COE.

either way look I know you disagree with every single thing I have to say. I could right now say i think bumblebee should be a bug and optimus an exact replica of his G1 self, and you'd find some weak spot to shoot at.

i'm sorry i'm not willing to be happy with the same thing I got 20 years ago. sue me.

[Golgo-13]

didnt megatron tranform into a jet in cybertron?......whats the big deal?

i dont like the boombox idea....or the usage of the line "more than meets the eye":down .......as for the xbox/ipod........how the hell are those gonna be used without looking retarded:confused:

michael bay used the xbox in the island.........the scene were their virtually kicking ass

I can live with Soundwave being a boombox and human size(as is rumored) in robot form. It only makes sense that the Decepticon spy be small enough to move around undetected. So long as he looks close to classic Soundwave, i'll be happy. My only concern is how they translate his cassettes (Ravage, Rumble, etc) to the big screen now that Soundwave is small..:confused:

I do have a problem with Megatron being a Jet. We already have a Jet with Starscream, and unless this cybertronian Jet that he's soppose to be is super badass and looks conpletely different from an earth jet, i can't see it working. If anything, he should be some sort of Cybertronian weapon like Galvatron. I just hope they keep him White/Grey in color with his G1 head.