Batman Returns vs Superman Returns

[Kevin Roegele]

Hey?!

[ShadowBoxing]

I went back and viewed Batman Begins and then went and saw SR, there is no question that Batman Begins is better. It just has a ton over SR in terms of sheer quality.

[The Fonz]

Superman Returns. It had Marlon Brando in it.:up:

[Ben Urich]

Batman Returns for one reason and one reason only:
Michelle Pfeiffer. She made an INCREDIBLE Catwoman. :up:

I went back and viewed Batman Begins and then went and saw SR, there is no question that Batman Begins is better. It just has a ton over SR in terms of sheer quality.

But this is about Batman Returns :confused:

[The Chairman]

Batman Returns. It's quite simply Burton at his peak. By far my favorite comic book movie.

[jaydawg]

Superman Returns. I love BR, but SR tells a better story, better acting, better, well everything. Except villains. Man does Luthor suck on the big screen.

[The Kid]

Batman Returns for catwoman

superman returns for the kid

I'll go with batman's return

[SpiderHulkThing]

superman returns.

[Majik1387]

Batman Returns. Screw the Burton haters.

[Steelsheen]

i have to go with Batman Returns. i have a lot less problems with it compared to Superman Returns.

[CConn]

Superman Returns.

[Two-Face]

Superman Returns

[nolan's roll'n]

Batman Returns

[Vandal Savage]

Superman Returns. It took a more modern realistic take on the character like Begins did for Batman while BR (though it was good) was still too grounded in Tim Burton's own twisted vision of Gotham and the Dark Knight.

[StorminNorman]

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[ToddIsDead]

Superman, easily. Not a huge fan of BR.

[IAmHe9]

Batman Returns is one of the greatest comic book films ever, whilst Superman Returns is a mediocre...perhaps average at best. Even with a MUCH bigger budget and more advanced special effects techniques and technology, BR > SR.

[SuperFerret]

Superman Returns. It had Marlon Brando in it.:up:

So? I know I'll get flamed for this, but Brando's nothing special. And Jor-El shoulda been recast like everyone else.

[Jyn]

So? I know I'll get flamed for this, but Brando's nothing special. And Jor-El shoulda been recast like everyone else.

Agreed, Batman Returns.:batman::joker::hq:

[CConn]

So? I know I'll get flamed for this, but Brando's nothing special. And Jor-El shoulda been recast like everyone else.But it'd be utterly pointless and do nothing but make an insanely costly film even more costly. :confused:

[livrule]

My problem with Batman Returns is that it marked the point where the villains were the focus of the movies instead of Batman.

I know Nicholson was huge in the first but he was alone and this allowed Keaton to at least come a close second.

I do not rate SR so I guess Bats is the winner.

[StorminNorman]

So? I know I'll get flamed for this, but Brando's nothing special. And Jor-El shoulda been recast like everyone else.

Brando did nothing but enhance an already great film. He IS Jor-El.

[Soundwave88]

Superman Returns. It had Marlon Brando in it.:up:

good save:up:

[Kevin Roegele]

Brando did nothing but enhance an already great film. He IS Jor-El.

Wonder if Brando would have wanted to appear in Returns though?

Can't see why not, but even so.....

[jusblaze21]

Superman Returns

[Warhammer]

Both had many problems, but I guess I'd give it to Superman Returns. :(

[CConn]

Dude, what's up? One minute you say SR was great, the next you say it has major flaws.

Unlike sex, it's actually good to stick to one position in an argument.

[WATCHMAN86]

Batman Begins Hands Down:o

[ShaneHelms]

Superman Returns.

I say this as a die hard Batman fan, But Spacey as Luthor; I will take anyday over Danny Devito's freakish Penguin.

[J.R.]

Batman Returns was good. But Supes was definitely better.

[nite-owl]

Superman Returns.

[Quentin Beck]

Both were good but I'll say Superman Returns.

[HighVoltage]

I hate Batman, I don´t like Batman, but Batman Returns is a Great Movie, and is an offense to compare this movie with that awful movie called Supercrap Resucks.

Batman Returns have a great cast, Michael Keaton, Michelle Pfeifer, Danny De Vito and Christopher Walken as one of the best villains in comics and movies, and the name of that cool villain is Max Shreck, it has great action sequences, and better flying scenes, when Batman is flying after the fall of that ice princess called Grace, it was so realistic, Batman Returns has a great score played by Danny Elfman, even I´m not a Dc fan, but I have the soundtrack of this movie, and Tim Burton is a master of movies in comparison with that stupid director called Bryan Singer, every minute of Batman Returns is a classic, and I say again, I´m not a Dc fan, but I have this movie in my personal movie collection, Batman Returns is a classic movie, and every person who knows about good movies, knows Batman Returns is a good movie, even my Mother who hates comicbooks, loves Batman Returns.

[Agentsands77]

I'm going to give it to BATMAN RETURNS.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think BATMAN RETURNS is entirely flawed. It has one mess of a script that makes the film feel terribly uneven throughout. But it's ten times more memorable and striking than anything SUPERMAN RETURNS gave us - which essentially was just a safe, boring retread with very little to offer in terms of striking images or sequences.

[ToddIsDead]

I hate Batman, I don´t like Batman, but Batman Returns is a Great Movie, and is an offense to compare this movie with that awful movie called Supercrap Resucks.

Batman Returns have a great cast, Michael Keaton, Michelle Pfeifer, Danny De Vito and Christopher Walken as one of the best villains in comics and movies, and the name of that cool villain is Max Shreck, it has great action sequences, and better flying scenes, when Batman is flying after the fall of that ice princess called Grace, it was so realistic, Batman Returns has a great score played by Danny Elfman, even I´m not a Dc fan, but I have the soundtrack of this movie, and Tim Burton is a master of movies in comparison with that stupid director called Bryan Singer, every minute of Batman Returns is a classic, and I say again, I´m not a Dc fan, but I have this movie in my personal movie collection, Batman Returns is a classic movie, and every person who knows about good movies, knows Batman Returns is a good movie, even my Mother who hates comicbooks, loves Batman Returns.
:eek: I'm flabergasted by this post.

[FOG3]

I vote Superman Returns.

I like Batman Returns but there are parts where it just goes a little too far for me.

[GL1]

A post by GL1, Adapted from High Voltage

I hate Superman, I don´t like Superman, but Superman Returns is a Great Movie, and is an offense to compare this movie with that awful movie called Batcrap Resucks.

Superman Returns have a great cast, Brandon Routh, James Marsden, Kate Bosworth and Kevin Spacey as one of the best villains in comics and movies, and the name of that cool villain is Lex Luthor, it has great action sequences, and better flying scenes, when Superman is flying after the fall of that jet, it was so realistic, Superman Returns has a great score played by John Williams, even I´m not a Dc fan, but I have the soundtrack of this movie, and Bryan Singer is a master of movies in comparison with that stupid director called Tim Burton, every minute of Superman Returns is a classic, and I say again, I´m not a Dc fan, but I have this movie in my personal movie collection, Superman Returns is a classic movie, and every person who knows about good movies, knows Superman Returns is a good movie, even my Mother who hates comicbooks, loves Superman Returns.

[/plagarism]

Well... it almost fit... I don't have the soundtrack... and my mother doesn't love SR... she doesn't go to movies... so... I'll go buy the Soundtrack and ask my mom what she thinks about Superman.... see what happens when you throw insults without details... all I need is a 'replace all'

Oh yeah, I don't hate Superman either. Do you like Superman High Voltage? As a character? Have you been following his character developments in the comics?

[HighVoltage]

A post by GL1, Adapted from High Voltage

I hate Superman, I don´t like Superman, but Superman Returns is a Great Movie, and is an offense to compare this movie with that awful movie called Batcrap Resucks.

Superman Returns have a great cast, Brandon Routh, James Marsden, Kate Bosworth and Kevin Spacey as one of the best villains in comics and movies, and the name of that cool villain is Lex Luthor, it has great action sequences, and better flying scenes, when Superman is flying after the fall of that jet, it was so realistic, Superman Returns has a great score played by John Williams, even I´m not a Dc fan, but I have the soundtrack of this movie, and Bryan Singer is a master of movies in comparison with that stupid director called Tim Burton, every minute of Superman Returns is a classic, and I say again, I´m not a Dc fan, but I have this movie in my personal movie collection, Superman Returns is a classic movie, and every person who knows about good movies, knows Superman Returns is a good movie, even my Mother who hates comicbooks, loves Superman Returns.

[/plagarism]

Well... it almost fit... I don't have the soundtrack... and my mother doesn't love SR... she doesn't go to movies... so... I'll go buy the Soundtrack and ask my mom what she thinks about Superman.... see what happens when you throw insults without details... all I need is a 'replace all'

Oh yeah, I don't hate Superman either. Do you like Superman High Voltage? As a character? Have you been following his character developments in the comics?
That´s your answer?

When I pay a ticket to see a movie, I don´t need to read a comicbook only for the introduction for a character, if the movie is good, then that´s the important, your opinion sound like a comicbook fan, but many people, who pay the ticket of theater, only wants to see a good movie, and that´s the difference when, one fan of Superman like you, watch a bad movie like Superman Returns, and you think that´s a good movie, in comparison with other person who hates comicbooks, but enjoy a movie based in a comicbook.

I say again, I don´t like Batman, I think the character is overrated in comicbooks, but when I see a movie like Batman Returns, with a good acting, of good actors, when I see a good plot, and I hear a good score, and the main character has a good acting in big screen, I can recognize a good film, that´s the difference, between people who is a comicbook fan, with the people who is only a moviegoer, and who wants to enjoy only a good movie in the theater.

Superman Returns is a bad movie, the plot is awful, the cast is bad, only for another comparison between Superman Returns with Batman Returns, Brandon Routh vs Michael Keaton, Keaton wins, Kate Bosworth vs Michelle Pfeifer, Beautiful Michelle wins, Frank Langella vs Danny Devito, De vito wins, the only one actor with similar category is Kevin Spacey, but look at the plan of Kevin Spacey´s Lex Luthor, against the plan of Christopher Walken´s Max Schreck, and Christopher Walken- Max Sckrek plan is better, even Max Shreck character is a dangerous menace for Gotham and Batman, because Christopher Walken´s character can manipulate the Penguin and Catwoman in a smart way, in comparison with that goofy personality of Kevin Sapcey´s Lex Luthor and his stupid plan.

I say again, Superman is a bad movie, a boring movie, without a real objective, without action scenes, without a chemistry between main characters, did you understand the Lex Luthor´s plan?, it was to conquer the world?, it was to destroy "Billions" of people?, because if that continent was a real menace for whole world, I think a big army fighting against Lex Luthor in order to destroy his continent, could be a good proof about the danger for whole world, even if the army can´t stop Lex and his continent, that´s a nother proof about the only person capable to stop Lex and his continent is Superman, but nothing in this awful film has logic.

[GL1]

Heh... no, that wasn't my answer... that was just me having fun. :)

I don't think it has to do with being a comic book fan, so much as an action buff. While I'm not a big fan of Superman, neither am I of the Hulk, but it was one of my favorite movies because it had depth... it had thought... it was real, psychologically.

Now it was also light on the action that people expected so a lot of people who just wanted to Superman tear stuff up were dissappointed. A lot of these directors don't realize that to many people, Superheroes are just action figures, they spend too much time trying to humanize them and not enough time letting them loose on supervillains. This does not limit the QUALITY of these movies, but it does limit the MASS APPEAL... people don't want to know how Kal-El feels... they want Superman to do big things... that's what left people cold, for the most part, from SR.

I'll certainly concede that BR had an older more experienced cast, however most of it was underutilized. I'll give you Keaton, but Catwoman, while sexier, was hardly more compelling than Lane, who actually had character development other than "good girls go to heaven" bad grrl power. And I don't think Penguin and his ingenious plot to kidnap all the children of Gotham (babysitters are clearly scarce in Gotham) and then suffer a highly anticlimactic death is a high pont of the movie... no, not something to brag on at all, though Devito is a great actor.

As for their plots, sucking power from the city is not the kind of thing that can go unnoticed for years. Electrical Engineers are hired to detect just this sort of thing. Max Schreck's plan does not make sense in reality. There is no such job to deal with large landmasses myseriously appearing in the middle of the atlantic.

As for Lex Luthors plan making sense, there was a scene in SR where Lex explained it in great detail, so much so, even four year old Jason could understand it. Lois was even smart enough to ask why and Lex Luthor stated, also clearly that he wanted to help people and make money doing it. The army couldn't have stopped Lex once he made his Kryptonian Weaponry with his Crystals, and they wouldn't have found out about Lex until much too late.

Not only was the plot explained well, perhaps you should ask some children who went to see the movie with you and they can explain it to you in more detail. Christopher Walken is an amazing actor, even back then, but Lex was FAR more compelling than Shreck with a more well thought out and better executed plan by far... far more screen charisma and all... I'm not sure why you think Schreck is so great, but... good for you.

[Green Goblin 1964]

superman returns.

[batmaluco]

Batman Returns

[The Joker]

Batman Returns all the way. Great performances from all, terrific villains, an exciting love interest for the hero, awesome visuals and neat fight scenes.

Superman Returns is a snooze fest with one of the most dull villains I've ever seen on screen. Singer really disappointed me :down

[Agentsands77]

I don't think it has to do with being a comic book fan, so much as an action buff. While I'm not a big fan of Superman, neither am I of the Hulk, but it was one of my favorite movies because it had depth... it had thought... it was real, psychologically.
There wasn't a whole lot of depth to SUPERMAN RETURNS, I thought. It had potential, but it used very little of it. The film ultimately had very little to it.

I'll give you Keaton, but Catwoman, while sexier, was hardly more compelling than Lane, who actually had character development other than "good girls go to heaven" bad grrl power.
There's no doubt that Burton's Catwoman is absolutely striking. The Lois Lane of SUPERMAN RETURNS had minimal depth and a minimal character arc. I don't think Lane in SUPERMAN RETURNS was any more substantial than Burton's Catwoman, and she was a heck of a lot less fun.

As for Lex Luthors plan making sense, there was a scene in SR where Lex explained it in great detail, so much so, even four year old Jason could understand it. Lois was even smart enough to ask why and Lex Luthor stated, also clearly that he wanted to help people and make money doing it. The army couldn't have stopped Lex once he made his Kryptonian Weaponry with his Crystals, and they wouldn't have found out about Lex until much too late.
The problem with Lex's plot isn't that it didn't make sense, it's just that it was unbelievably dull. Lex Luthor after... land? Meh.

[Dr. MIX]

While I enjoyed BR for its being weird and all, Superman was the better film.

[XCharlieX]

Superman Returns. I think they got more right than Batman Returns, not to say it was horrible.

[Topdawg]

SR definetly

[CConn]

The problem with Lex's plot isn't that it didn't make sense, it's just that it was unbelievably dull. Lex Luthor after... land? Meh.He wasn't after merely land. He was after power. And prestige. And all the other little ego trips Luthor loves to have. There in lies the substance of the film you, unfortunately, missed.

[GL1]

There wasn't a whole lot of depth to SUPERMAN RETURNS, I thought. It had potential, but it used very little of it. The film ultimately had very little to it.


There's no doubt that Burton's Catwoman is absolutely striking. The Lois Lane of SUPERMAN RETURNS had minimal depth and a minimal character arc. I don't think Lane in SUPERMAN RETURNS was any more substantial than Burton's Catwoman, and she was a heck of a lot less fun.


The problem with Lex's plot isn't that it didn't make sense, it's just that it was unbelievably dull. Lex Luthor after... land? Meh.

And there are my three problems with Superman Returns. Can't even argue with it... much of it's depth was unplumbed, left for the audience to mull over, I suppose. A mistake in a Superhero movie, the same mistake made by The Matrix movies, ESPECIALLY 2 and 3. Lane was... not finished, and while I can't earnestly say that Catwoman was more substantial, she was definitely more fun.

And of course, Luthor was not after land, but the resemblance to the Donner film plot makes it hard to see past that. Why'd he have to quote his father? Why?

That said, I still enjoyed it more, even with the flaws. I'll watch it again over Returns every day of the year.

[CConn]

And there are my three problems with Superman Returns. Can't even argue with it... much of it's depth was unplumbed, left for the audience to mull over, I suppose. A mistake in a Superhero movie, the same mistake made by The Matrix movies, ESPECIALLY 2 and 3. Lane was... not finished, and while I can't earnestly say that Catwoman was more substantial, she was definitely more fun.Ironically, it's a flaw I see in Burton's Batman films a lot too - well, really in all of his films Burton seems to simply lay everything out, and let the viewer find the depth on their own. Some people need the depth to be handed to them (sorta like how BB does). Personally, I can handle both. :o
And of course, Luthor was not after land, but the resemblance to the Donner film plot makes it hard to see past that. Why'd he have to quote his father? Why?I think - rather I hope - SR was just a bridging point for Luthor's characterization. He seemed to pretty much be Hackman's Luthor with the modern interpretation of the character just trying to break through at every moment. If Singer can continue to evolve that characterization in the next films, the semblance to Donner's Luthor won't bother me too much. If he doesn't...I will be rather upset. :o

[cryptic name]

batman returns is better if for no other reason than we got to see the filmmaker's interpretation of the character and his world. singer gave us another filmmaker's (richard donner) interpretation of the character and his world.

[Spider-Fan]

Gotta go with Batman Returns. This was a good movie, while Superman Returns was a lacking one.

[SolidRoar]

Oops, I thought the poll was putting Superman Returns against Batman Begins!!!

[Agentsands77]

He wasn't after merely land. He was after power. And prestige. And all the other little ego trips Luthor loves to have. There in lies the substance of the film you, unfortunately, missed.
But in the end, it all boils down to creating a new continent (and not only just a new continent, but a new continent that is so harsh that a mountain goat wouldn't want to live there). Sorry, but the plot had a "been there, done that" feel to it, and in the end, just isn't that cool or menacing. That's partially a fault of keeping on the lame Donner Luthor, but still.

There was potential for Luthor - if they'd expanded on the "taking fire from the gods" theme, and really made Luthor an idealist whose not all wrong, and perhaps gave him the idea of taking alien technology from supes (though not building a new continent - that's just a pretty dull and boring idea), it could have been cool. For an example of how awesome Lex is with an humanistic crusade against Superman is, check out the graphic novel MAN OF STEEL.

[CConn]

Oh, I've read it. It's nearly my Bible. And I was quite disappointed when I realized Singer's interpretation really would be nothing like that. However, as I said in my previous post, the character seemed to be very much in a transition between Hackman's Luthor, and the current intepretation of the comics.

Personally, I would've showned a bit more of the new characterization than Singer did, but if he just went totally new Luthor in a movie that's supposed to be a sequel to the Donner films, it really would've been really...shoddy.

But I do certainly hope he continues progressing Spacey's Luthor to the character that's in the comics now.

[ironmaidenrules]

i can watch BR many times

i wish i never watched SR

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman Returns. It's quite simply Burton at his peak. By far my favorite comic book movie.
.....WHAAAA!?!

[captain_jimbo]

I voted Batman Returns, because I would choose the Christopher Reeve movies over Superman Returns, whereas Batman 1989 and Returns were like the definitive versions of the Dark Knight.

[Two-Face]

whereas Batman 1989 and Returns were like the definitive versions of the Dark Knight.


sorry but I got to laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I had to.:o