The pilot episode is a complete mess! (major spoilers)

[hlbimage]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

[hlbimage]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

Well, this is X-MEN without the claws, the blue furball, the hot African lady who can control weather, and greatness of the X-MEN.

This show is a mess.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I would soooo love a show about A young Xavier and Magneto...as they built the school and found the kids....and have them slowly become enemies and then Magneto forms his Brotherhood.

There's so much material there...

[AnimeJune]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

[Mistopurr83]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

I wish X-Men would get made into a TV show right now myself but, I still believe it will happen someday.

[hlbimage]

Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

You can find the pilot episode on Torrent sites. If you like, I can upload it to www.yousendit.com for you to check out for yourself. You are right that I had alot of expection of the show. When I saw it, I decided to criticized what I have seen. I wasn't expecting it to be like X-MEN like you have written. Heroes is like Matrix trying to ripoff so many other sci-fi movies and compacting it into one elaborate trilogy. Heroes is trying to be like the 4400 and X-MEN all at once, though there maybe a mystery on how the characters on Heroes get their powers it does parallel the 4400.

Why do I think they should have the main characters meet each other and soon? Well if the show don't want to get cancelled soon that is my point. Has anyone seen Surface, Invasion and Threshold? Well, those shows delayed the mystery reveal and they are all cancelled now. Right now, tv viewers like to see progress but quicker progress. Shows like Lost and 24 remained to be critical hits because they moves the story along and resolves while opening more questions. On the show Surface, they have two out of three of the main characters never meeting each other until the last 15 minutes of the series finale before the mystery is revealed. Heroes has about 5 characters that may never meet each other if the rest of the series episodes is like the pilot. There is a theme here.

I will send you a PM once the show is cancelled during the fall to see if you still thinks what I thought is wrong. Is that okay? If the show is renewed for a second season you can rub it in my face.

[hlbimage]

I wish X-Men would get made into a TV show right now myself but, I still believe it will happen someday.

I hope a real super hero show set in the X-MEN universe gets made one day too. I too believe it will happen someday as long as there is Marvel.

[TrailerCues]

Since I have no expectations for this Show I will give the first Episode a go

[JackBauer]

I watched it too. I didn't hate it like hlbimage, but I did find it a little unremarkable. there were a few good moments, but just nothing close to the greatness that was the Lost pilot (which this is most being compared to). it certainly has room to grow and improve, so I might give it a chance.

I think hlbimage either didn't get it or didn't pay attention, because: a) these characters aren't supposed to form a super-team, so there's really no point in getting them together right away, and b) there were already a few connections between characters which he conviently failed to mention, such as Ventimiglia's character helping Santiago Cabrera's, and seeing a painting of himself there, not to mention that Hayden Panettiere's character's father was the guy chasing Suresh, the Indian scientist.

I do agree, however, with his opinions about the Japanese guy (terribly stereotypical) and Ventimiglia's character, Peter. my personal favourite was, surprisingly enough, Claire (Hayden Panettiere).

btw, this is NOT really like X-Men. it is, like I said before, more akin to The 4400, but even then it's not really that close. the connections are too broad to call it a rip-off.

[hlbimage]

I watched it too. I didn't hate it like hlbimage, but I did find it a little unremarkable. there were a few good moments, but just nothing close to the greatness that was the Lost pilot (which this is most being compared to). it certainly has room to grow and improve, so I might give it a chance.

I think hlbimage either didn't get it or didn't pay attention, because: a) these characters aren't supposed to form a super-team, so there's really no point in getting them together right away, and b) there were already a few connections between characters which he conviently failed to mention, such as Ventimiglia's character helping Santiago Cabrera's, and seeing a painting of himself there, not to mention that Hayden Panettiere's character's father was the guy chasing Suresh, the Indian scientist.

I do agree, however, with his opinions about the Japanese guy (terribly stereotypical) and Ventimiglia's character, Peter. my personal favourite was, surprisingly enough, Claire (Hayden Panettiere).

btw, this is NOT really like X-Men. it is, like I said before, more akin to The 4400, but even then it's not really that close. the connections are too broad to call it a rip-off.

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400. There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled. I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

[JackBauer]

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400.

it's not a gift from people from the future. that'd be too much of a shameless rip-off.

as for X-Men, they didn't invent evolution. so it's perfectly acceptable to chalk it up to that and NOT be a rip-off.

but it's not going to be either. look back at Suresh's speach at the beggining. he mentions the exact same powers the characters develop. it's no coincidence. not to mention what Suresh said about humans only using a small part of our brains, and that if we used more of it, we could develop those abilities. their obviously going towards that direction.

There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

it just solidified the purpose these people have, to prevent that catastrophe. initially, I wasn't too thrilled about them showing what the aftermath will be, but it'll be interesting to see how the characters fit into that, how they choose to use their powers, and the kind of consequences it can cause regarding that future. SPECIALLY because they're too far away.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled.

it is interesting to see how all these different people react when put in a somewhat similar and extraordinary circumstance. and remember, the connections ARE there...

I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

almost anything nowadays isn't really original. it's how the scenario is developed that really defines it.

honestly, I think you're seeing a lot of stuff that's just not there.

[AnimeJune]

I haven't seen the pilot yet, nor am I going to illegally download it, but I have to agree with Jack Bauer (and his marvelous avatar and subtitle) on this one.

Ever hear that maxim about how there are only 12 original stories in the world, and that each story and legend and plot is only a variation of one of those stories.

Just because people have powers does not mean they're X-Men. X-Men dealt with a broad superhero topic, so it's inevitable that other super-power shows and plots will show some similarities, but it doesn't mean they're ripping anyone off.

I see a difference. From the trailers - it's implied that it's only a select, special number of people who are receiving powers, and that maybe it's for a reason. That's entirely different from X-Men - X-Men was about a whole new species of human being emerging. Heroes deals with superpeople in the dozens, X-Men in the hundreds of thousands. A difference that size will have a significant difference in the plot of the show too, it seems to me.

[JackBauer]

I haven't seen the pilot yet, nor am I going to illegally download it, but I have to agree with Jack Bauer (and his marvelous avatar and subtitle) on this one.

thanks! :D

Ever hear that maxim about how there are only 12 original stories in the world, and that each story and legend and plot is only a variation of one of those stories.

exactly what I meant. at their core, every story told nowadays can be traced back to those truly original ones WAAAY back.

Just because people have powers does not mean they're X-Men. X-Men dealt with a broad superhero topic, so it's inevitable that other super-power shows and plots will show some similarities, but it doesn't mean they're ripping anyone off.

it's not really about having powers that bugs hlbimage. it's the origin. as if evolution was invented solely for the X-Men. :rolleyes:

either way, the pilot has made it clear that these powers aren't simply a matter of evolution, so this point is moot.

IT'S NOT A RIP-OFF OF X-MEN!

I see a difference. From the trailers - it's implied that it's only a select, special number of people who are receiving powers, and that maybe it's for a reason. That's entirely different from X-Men - X-Men was about a whole new species of human being emerging. Heroes deals with superpeople in the dozens, X-Men in the hundreds of thousands. A difference that size will have a significant difference in the plot of the show too, it seems to me.

true, true... I dunno what it is, but people have been all over this show from the beggining, claiming it as "Super-Lost" or "X-Men Light" or whatever, when it's pretty far from that. even with The 4400, which I at first compared it to, it's not that big a similarity (yet).

doesn't mean, however, that the execution of it was as good as either Lost or The 4400. they certainly have to work on a few things. but, for now, it definitely has potential.

[GL1]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.

This is silly

1) The only thing this has in common with X-Men is people get their powers by evolution. That's all, the premise of X-Men involves, first and foremost a TEAM of people. A school. Fighting for mutant rights in a world that hates and fears them? Soudn familiar? Yes, Heroes has none of that. I dare you to find any other similiarities to the "World of X-Men" other than powers coming from evolution. Any. I dare you.

2) Suresh is looking for all of them. Two of them are brothers. Ones father is hunting Suresh, the painter's homegirl is friends with one of the brothers, who regularly rides in Suresh's cab. The only one disconnected is the Japanese guy, and guess what, this is only the first episode, he could bump into Peter first thing episode two, IF the writers were trying to form a team. They're not.

3) Character nitpicks... sure... go for it. The Japanese guy acted like any uber comic geek. If he got on your nerves, look in the mirror. If that offends you, go to a comic con.

4) Too hard to follow. Dear gosh, I hope you don't ever have to watch a soap opera... the concept of multiple storylines is not new.

That said, the show is not perfect. I found it a bit dark, but perhaps my monitor is acting up. I thought the music for MirrorWoman's scenes was WAY overplayed among a few other nitpicks. But, I do see how it could get much better very easily.

Not Lost, but not lost either.

[JackBauer]

Not Lost, but not lost either.

heh, well said! :)

[AnimeJune]

heh, well said! :)Indeed. I wouldn't want a Lost knock-off.

Lost should inspire other shows to be as well detailed and plot-driven, but not outright copying.

[Pauluz]

I loved it and I can't wait for ep. 2!

[GyLocke]

It was uneven, but with an awsome, awsome WTF? ending.

[JackBauer]

it would've been more of a WTF moment if the effects were better. as it was, it was plain laughable.

[GL1]

it would've been more of a WTF moment if the effects were better. as it was, it was plain laughable.

I almost thought he was swinging off of something, which would have been hilaroiusly cool...

as is it was... awkward, enough so that the WTF initial excitement was toned down, but the overall respect for the twist has not been diminished...

Also, has anyone seen a pilot episode that contains Matt Parkman (Grunberg's character) and D.L. (um... the black inmate)?

[JackBauer]

they're not in the pilot, their characters were left to be introduced in the second episode.

as for the twist, I myself got a bigger WTF when it was revealed that Claire's dad was the guy chasing Suresh.

[amazingfantasy15]

I'm gonna give the show a chance, it looks interesting enough. I don't really know what to expect, but I would never judge a series like this on the pilot alone, you need to see at least the first 3-4 episodes for a show like this. I don't expect this to be X-Men or Lost (never saw the 4400), if anything I'm expecting something along the lines of Unbreakable. As for some of the complaints;

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this
- You obviously have no idea what X-Men is about, it's about tolerance and racism, not just getting superpowers. Heroes looks like it's more about discovery right now. As for the powers, how should they have handled these people getting powers? Nuclear bombs, irradiated spiders, maybe they're aliens from a destroyed planet far, far away?

Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other
- The connections for Lost weren't apparent at first, but we're getting more and more connections as the series progresses.

Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost
- Jin wasn't lovable on Lost until mid to late 1st season, he was a huge d*ck actually in the first half of the 1st season.

Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN
- if these people just woke up with powers, then I don't think the government has had the time to pass the mutant registration act like in X-Men and who knows, maybe that'll be an issue later down the road.

Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence
- What's on at 10pm that's so great?

Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN
- THIS ISN'T X-MEN!!!!!!

well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes
- Might as well watch a non-serialized paint-by-numbers procedural drama like CSI because serialized dramas don't seem to agree with you since they take time to unfold, the case isn't always solved by the end of the hour.

[storyteller]

This is silly

1) The only thing this has in common with X-Men is people get their powers by evolution. That's all, the premise of X-Men involves, first and foremost a TEAM of people. A school. Fighting for mutant rights in a world that hates and fears them? Soudn familiar? Yes, Heroes has none of that. I dare you to find any other similiarities to the "World of X-Men" other than powers coming from evolution. Any. I dare you.




Ill take the dare. Japanese man in a club talking about KITTY PRIDE(shadowcat) and teleports into ladies restroom. The only beef i got with the show is that how can anyone trust an asian behind the wheels of teleportation.

[Oerwinde]

I saw it and thought it was cool. It will definitely join Lost and Battlestar Galactica in my weekly downloads.

[HexualCirce]

the only similarity I saw to X-Men (though I thought it was a big one when I noticed it) was the speach Suresh made in the begining was very similar to Jean Grey's speach at the begining of X1. And yes it's not perfect but I think it can work. I love the indestructable girl and I think I can really start liking the mother charecter with the evil twin in the mirror.

spoiler

the part with the pushing the broken ribs back in was icky.

[Triligors]

The Pilot was alright, there were some great parts and some not so great parts. When watching it- the image was really, really dark but this is probably more due to the lighting on the monitor or will be fixed by the time the Pilot premieres on TV.

For those wondering- no that is most likely not the final premiere version we saw. One of the things that told me this straight off the bat- no pun intended- was that it still had temp music. This is music that is often set and edited in to give the composer an idea of what to go for theme-wise.

The first episode, as I said- not great, but good. One thing that I definitely saw was potential. This series could definitely go somewhere and get really, really better along the way.

Thus, the best way to look at the Pilot- in my opinion- is that it's just there to set up the characters, their powers and the world that they live in. Also- keep in mind that the LOST Pilot episode was around 2 hours long. Here it's only fifty four minutes. Same goes for most Pilots typically- the Pilot introduces the characters and their world, while the second has a conflict of some sort. Pilots, even though not officially stated, often are just part 1 of a larger two part Pilot. Best recent example I can give is how Fox premiered the PILOT of Prison Break and the second episode immediately after. Because it's usually a two part deal. Thus, I think now that the first part is out of the way- the second part might be worlds ahead. I definitely think they have something here.

7-8/10

[comicfreak]

I just got watched the this i loved it... There is action super hero powers the characters are cool... I cant wait to see the next part of it... i hear they are going to offer it on itunes

http://news.com.com/NBCs+Heroes+pilot+free+on+iTunes/2110-1026_3-6100762.html

thats awesome now i can watch it over and over again... i know im a freak but i already love this show

[Avalanche]

I liked it. Didn't love it, but it's a show I'll follow all the same. Hopefully the characters will at some point begin to weave more explicitly rather than by mere coincidence.

The show is being likened to Lost, and I do hope it doesn't drag with many an unanswered question in the same way Lost does.

[cheungcheung]

i enjoyed the pilot episode quite a bit...

i look forward to episode 2....

i just wonder whether or not america will embrace heroes like it did lost..

[Eddie Brock]

can someone put this up on YouTube? for whatever reason, i can't find it on iTunes

[KALEL114]

Did you guys notice the "Godzilla" type monster shows up just about everywhere. Hiro's computer. The strippers little kids comic. And in the painters loft. I only saw it once. I like the show.

[Halcohol]

I thought the pilot was good. Not great, just good. The introduction of the characters was done fairly well, and the idea of the visionary artist was the best part of the entire episode. There are a few plot holes, most notably that an eclipse is visible in New York, Texas, Las Vegas, and Tokyo. Hmm... no. Speaking of the eclipse, it didn't really seem to have a purpose since most of the characters exhibited their powers before the eclipse took place.

[vampireslayer97]

Ahh, I'm tempted to download it, but I think I'd rather wait.

[rock_on]

Hi everyone, I just finished watching the pilot episode and I must say that I am very disappointed. The dialogue and acting is bad, and everything seems to be thrown together. I hope the series gets better, because the Pilot set a very underwhelming tone.

You can watch the Pilot streamed here: http://livedigital.com/content/849501/u47237

I seriously hope that the show gets better. Because as of right now I think that the creators of the show simply wanted to get on the LOST and superhero bandwagon.

[KingOfDreams]

Well, I haven't seen anything beyond the previews yet but it looks cool to me.

[Darkdd]

Hi everyone, I just finished watching the pilot episode and I must say that I am very disappointed. The dialogue and acting is bad, and everything seems to be thrown together. I hope the series gets better, because the Pilot set a very underwhelming tone.

You can watch the Pilot streamed here: http://livedigital.com/content/849501/u47237

I seriously hope that the show gets better. Because as of right now I think that the creators of the show simply wanted to get on the LOST and superhero bandwagon.
Watched it.The show looks good.Rather scattered as they were trying to introduce too many characters,though this should be a non-issue later-on..I'll give it a chance,since the problems i have with it tend to work themselves out a couple episodes into the season.

[rock_on]

Watched it.The show looks good.Rather scattered as they were trying to introduce too many characters,though this should be a non-issue later-on..I'll give it a chance,since the problems i have with it tend to work themselves out a couple episodes into the season.

The show definitely has potential. And we all can't be as lucky with pilots as we were with LOST. I hope that future episodes focus on character development in addition to furthering the main story. With so many characters introduced, I didn't really get a feel or liking for any particular one.

[ultimatefan]

First of all, the pilot is a two-parter, so we should see both chapters before making a conclusion.

Second, enough with the "rip-off" thing... The show is not an attempt to create comic book superheroes, nobody is gonna wear spandex (or leather for that matter) and fly superjets... The premise of the show is to take a naturalistic look at what would happen if people had special powers, which is more like Unbreakable than X-Men. Finally, in terms of superpowers there´s nothing original left to be done in terms of powers or explanations for powers. Every cool superpower has been done one way or another and every potential explanation (radioactivity, genetic engineering/mutation, magic, etc.) has been done.

[Darkdd]

The show definitely has potential. And we all can't be as lucky with pilots as we were with LOST. I hope that future episodes focus on character development in addition to furthering the main story. With so many characters introduced, I didn't really get a feel or liking for any particular one.
That was basically my feeling,though i do like Niki(mirrors).Not all things are born great.

[rock_on]

That was basically my feeling,though i do like Niki(mirrors).Not all things are born great.

Yeah, with Niki in addition to wondering about what happened and what abilities she has, I felt more connected to her character because we got to know more about her and her family/financial situation. We got to see where she lived, what her concerns are, etc. I'm hoping that the other characters will have rich back stories as well. Just giving random characters special abilities isn't enough for me.

[pyromaniac]

The show definitely has potential. And we all can't be as lucky with pilots as we were with LOST. I hope that future episodes focus on character development in addition to furthering the main story. With so many characters introduced, I didn't really get a feel or liking for any particular one.

Wasn't Lost like that too... that is, populated with variegated characters...?

[rock_on]

Wasn't Lost like that too... that is, populated with variegated characters...?

LOST introduced a lot of characters, but the show did it in a way that made you connect with the character. For instance, at the beginning of the pilot you see what Jack sees, and you go with him essentially to the crash site and to the chaos. You're naturally drawn to the character and I was instantly hooked. And then you connect with all the characters as they try to cope and deal with the crash. When I was watching part 1 of the pilot, I kept on going "when is the show going to start?" Aside from Nikki, I didn't are much for the characters from what was presented in that episode. I wanted to get behind the drama of people who suddenly have special abilities, and it was presented in a very "blah" way. Then again, LOST poured a huge amount of money into the series in hope of a successful show. Heroes has potential, and I am simply going off of the first part of the pilot alone. I'm crossing my fingers that this show realizes its potential.

[Eddie Brock]

i found no flaw with the pilot
i think each character is fleshed out well, and each one has something unique about them (besides their powers)
Hiro is my current favorite..with Claire in close second
i mean, who else can stick their hand in a garbage disposal?

[Fanticon]

The same was said about Incredibles when that came out...unless the show calls itself 'X-Men'...or Incredibles calls itself 'Fantastic Four ripoff +others'...I don't give a sh** about someones rant on why we shouldn't watch it.

[Mike_D202]

...I'd like to see a non-xmen fanboy's opinion on this show.

Personally I enjoyed it. Yes, it reminded me a bit of X-Men but I thought it was more...I dont know, I wanna say realistic.

I enjoyed it.

[The SpiderMan]

I'll give you an opinion of a 30+ year reader of comics ... I thought the show was damn good. Period.

True fans of comics should have said "Hell yeah, that was cool!" A prime time TV show about "super heros". who would have thought ??

Go pick up ANY comic book and tell me what similarities that you DON'T see. That is a bad reason to pick this show apart .... There are a lot of good sub plots going that will fuel this show for quite some time.

[Savage]

I thought the pilot was good. Not great, just good. The introduction of the characters was done fairly well, and the idea of the visionary artist was the best part of the entire episode. There are a few plot holes, most notably that an eclipse is visible in New York, Texas, Las Vegas, and Tokyo. Hmm... no. Speaking of the eclipse, it didn't really seem to have a purpose since most of the characters exhibited their powers before the eclipse took place.
I think this is special. I don't think it's an eclipse. There has to be a reason that they can all see it at the same time. That the visionary painted it. That it's even on the show's title.

[GEDRedemption]

Has anyone seen Surface, Invasion and Threshold? Well, those shows delayed the mystery reveal and they are all cancelled now.

I've never seen Lost but I'm sure they haven't revealed the mystery yet.

[NoirMan82]

I think you're being waaaaay too critical of the show. I just saw it and I think it's one of the most interesting shows on TV. It's nothing like X-Men really. X-Men dealt more with the topics of intolerance and nothing in Heroes resembles anything in the X-Men universe, aside from the discussion of evolution. This show actually reminds me of Rising Stars more than anything, but only vaguely. I thought the show was very easy to follow, and I can even see where it's going a little, unlike Lost where nothing makes any damn sense. I think the show has a bright future ahead of it. It gives you just enough spectacle to keep you watching, but without giving too much too soon. Give it a few more epiodes and I think everyone will be singing in tune about this show.


P.S. I don't think I'd ever want to see a live-action x-men show. That whole Mutant X thing threw me off, and we could never get the action we're accustomed to from the movies on network TV,

[Lightning54SC]

it wasnt a bad show... you people need to relax, kick your feet up and enjoy seriously .....

[trusty]

I'll give you an opinion of a 30+ year reader of comics ... I thought the show was damn good. Period.

True fans of comics should have said "Hell yeah, that was cool!" A prime time TV show about "super heros". who would have thought ??

Go pick up ANY comic book and tell me what similarities that you DON'T see. That is a bad reason to pick this show apart .... There are a lot of good sub plots going that will fuel this show for quite some time.

100% agree with you there.
I've been a comic book fan for 30+ years and I didn't see any references to the X-Men that would make me think that it's a re-hash or rip off. Great material, great sub plots. Let the introductions get out of the way with the Pilot and you'll see some great stuff coming with future episodes.

I thought this show was fantastic. What really nails it is the fact that people with absolutely NO comic book history (my wife) walked away from this show thinking that it was great. That surprised me most!!

Looking forward to more from this series.

--SjN

[ReptileOrion]

I enjoyed the pilot. Pilot episodes are always a mixed bag because you have to establish the show's premise, introduce characters, and set the tone of the show. It is a different look at the superhero concept. You can't help but see the comparisons to X-Men. We'll see how this develops. I just hope they have enough time to devote to all of the characters that are introduced.

[Mixairian]

Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

I think I'm in love with you.

Ahem. The screener that is more than likely illegally distrubuted from what I gather is very different from the episode we saw. Just keep that in mind when someone starts complaining about it. They're complaining, literally about a different show so to speak.

You can find the pilot episode on Torrent sites. If you like, I can upload it to www.yousendit.com for you to check out for yourself. You are right that I had alot of expection of the show. When I saw it, I decided to criticized what I have seen. I wasn't expecting it to be like X-MEN like you have written. Heroes is like Matrix trying to ripoff so many other sci-fi movies and compacting it into one elaborate trilogy. Heroes is trying to be like the 4400 and X-MEN all at once, though there maybe a mystery on how the characters on Heroes get their powers it does parallel the 4400.

The concept of a group of people banding together because the world is prejudice to them does predate the X-Men. Oh wait. The issue of the world being prejudice towards them hasn't arrived yet. Hmmm. Okay so that's one thing not X-Men like.

But they have super powers and are talking about genetics! I mean of course only the X-Men have characters with super powers and involved the concept on genetics as an explanation for them! There's never been another show/movie/book/anything that's given someone abilities that are amazing and used genetics to explain them.

As another eloquent viewer has already stated. This is a group of individuals that are just learning of their abilities and finding out who they are before they end up coming together (which is the likely outcome due to the opening prologue of the episode). The X-Men are supposed to be a group standing together versus adversity. This so far is a bunch of individuals finding themselves and how they fit into the world right now. It's not a unique concept but for the time being it's different.

Why do I think they should have the main characters meet each other and soon? Well if the show don't want to get cancelled soon that is my point. Has anyone seen Surface, Invasion and Threshold? Well, those shows delayed the mystery reveal and they are all cancelled now. Right now, tv viewers like to see progress but quicker progress. Shows like Lost and 24 remained to be critical hits because they moves the story along and resolves while opening more questions. On the show Surface, they have two out of three of the main characters never meeting each other until the last 15 minutes of the series finale before the mystery is revealed. Heroes has about 5 characters that may never meet each other if the rest of the series episodes is like the pilot. There is a theme here.

Yes a theme with the mass audience. I was watching the first episode and many peopel I spoke with felt that things moved to slowly, that there was not enough progression. I sat down and though about it. Why did I not feel this way? Simply put it has to do with geographic demographics. Most of the shows I watch are not from this country. They are long running and as many audience here would put it slow moving. They like to flesh out characters and storyline and build up to something grand. Personally I enjoy stories like this.

Rushing stories just to make them occur can cheapen the stories themelves or not bring about the desired effect. Small example: killing off a character that no one really knows much about or cares about has little impact but kill off a character who's been fleshed out and has meaning to the audience does.

My theory on why I don't find the slow and dragged out may be wrong but I'd rather the show fail then become a cheap action packed slug fest like a certain group of heroes you've been claiming are being copied.

I will send you a PM once the show is cancelled during the fall to see if you still thinks what I thought is wrong. Is that okay? If the show is renewed for a second season you can rub it in my face.

That's between you two. I wonder if he/she will be that petty to go along.

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400. There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled. I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

Genetic evolution was not first originated from X-Men. It was one of the more popular incarnations of the 50's. The concept/theory of Evolution is a bit older than that and people believing that we could evolve into something greater has been around for a while. X-Men is not the beginning and the end.




Okay I give up. I contemplated responding to every post in this topic but if I read anymore stupid crap my brain might implode.

[porchmonkey408]

Studio 60 is a far better show than X-Men, Heroes, and anything else on TV plus Prison Break, Lost and 24 combined.

Eat that Heroes.

[celldog]

It was decent. :whatever:

[porchmonkey408]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.


Why are you comparing shows that aren't even similar?

Ok, you like Studio 60.

Congrats.

Job well done.
:up: :up: way up.

:whatever:

This is the HEROES thread. If you don't want to talk about HEROES then please leave.

[AnimeJune]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.I agree with both - plus, how sad is it that the first fifteen minutes of Sunday's Studio 60 episode was funnier than the entire Dane Cook-hosted premiere of Saturday Night Live?

You'd think that the point of getting rid of six cast members, and commissioning two shows (dramedy and comedy) based on the behind-the-scenes stories of YOUR show would be a sign that they're planning on overhauling the series to make it more entertaining again.

Meh, I'll still watch it though. I'm loyal.

[GhostPoet]

*shudders at mention of Studio 60* Horrible show...

[AnimeJune]

*shudders at mention of Studio 60* Horrible show...How can you not like it? YOU HAVE NO SOUL!

[Sugarculted]

Watched it finally, and what can I say..I'm eagerly anticipating the 2nd episode.

I especially like Hiro.

Showed it to my mum, actually. She would never sit down and watch anything superhero related, yet she really enjoyed this show. Which I'm rather impressed about. Perhaps it can haul in new fans?

[Eddie Brock]

Watched it finally, and what can I say..I'm eagerly anticipating the 2nd episode.

I especially like Hiro.

Showed it to my mum, actually. She would never sit down and watch anything superhero related, yet she really enjoyed this show. Which I'm rather impressed about. Perhaps it can haul in new fans?
you don't have to wait
the entire episode is on NBC.com i think

[Silverstein]

All I can say is either give it a chance or don't watch it. But don't down the show. I mean I think they could do some things better, but it's still a great show. And I understand we're on the second episode. But people were bad mouthing it from the pilot episode. How ridiculous.

[AnimeJune]

All I can say is either give it a chance or don't watch it. But don't down the show. I mean I think they could do some things better, but it's still a great show. And I understand we're on the second episode. But people were bad mouthing it from the pilot episode. How ridiculous.Dude, people are entitled to an opinion.

Besides, the pilot is probably the most carefully-constructed episode of an ENTIRE series, because not only is it what makes networks buy the rest of the series (know how many pilots there are out there that never got made into series?), but because, yeah, many people DO judge a series by their first episode.

It's a known fact. The "oh, it's only the first episode" excuse can't cut it - because the entire focus on the first episode is supposed to draw viewers in so that they can see the second episode.

[Silverstein]

AnimeJune, you're very right about that. I'm not even arguing that. I'm just addressing complaints like "waaa, it's just x-men watered down" or "the characters are all over the place" or "the story is incoherent". Things like that. Which are not even valid points. If you don't look at the individuality and creativity of the show, or any thing then it's all the same. You could say Justice league is the same as x-men, is the same as Fantastic four, Avengers, is the same as teen titans....etc...etc...

It takes time for characters to get together. And by the first episode, you should not be where you'd be in maybe the 5th...


And anyway just because that's what people do or companies look for, doesn't mean that it's the correct thing to do. How many books have you read where the first chapter was the BEST chapter in the book? Okay and I bet you almost all of the books you could list suck. In fact, if the first chapter is the best then any one you could mention sucks,

Story telling doesn't need to be rushed or whatever just because people are too quick to judge. That's why I'm saying either watch it or don't but not to sit around complaining about the first episode of it.


Now I can understand if you just completly hate it. Because then you've given it a chance by watching it. Like the new FF cartoon, it's trash. I learned that from one episode. So I understand. But people who are inbetween need only give it a chance.