6.04 Arrow - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Batgort]

Awesome episode ---

Green arrow's voice dub like batman, awesome gadgets like batman, and awesome [archery] skills (like himself) ruled. The Green Arrow and Clark interactions were great as well, especialy the closing speech -- that's the kinda stuff that makes Smallville great.

At first I thought that Lana was a little out of character, but then you have to remember how she was in seasons 1-5, and she does get all anti-alien sometimes, so I'm not sure it was that out of character. It seems like after the tramatic Zod instance, coupled with the invaders from the season 4 premiere, she is back to her anti-alien stance.

Lois and Chloe's back and forth with the journalism was also really nice.

PS. I didn't see any zits, ah well

[Kaboom]

Now all we need is to bring back Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg. That my friend would make for one hell of a season ender.

or try 6.11 Justice the first new episode to air in january

[DOG LIPS]

The Bad

Lana Lang

Chloe sullivan - { I'm sick of superchloe, Sidekick Chloe, etc..]
I agree, Lana actually annoyed me. :csad:

[JStorm]

I like Arrow, I do. But, tonight I finally agree that he is a lame substitute for Batman.

Say what you want, as I'm sure you will. But, I really think GA is TOO close to Batman and his likeness.

I liked the episode, but I want to see REAL DC GA history, personality, and likeness. I don't want to see Bruce in a green outfit!!

[AgentPat]

:whatever: Where to start....Holy crap! Ya got that right.

Duck and cover folks! Here we go. :mad:


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[TrailerCues]

I just watched my copy of the opening to Superman Returns openign titles from the actual film. I love that than this. So many problems with the show, with Lana being the key one. I'm glad I got the REAL Superman in today's time.

I'm sorry but WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TREATING THESE CHARACTERS RIGHT? I want a Clark who sees something in Lois, same goes for Lois to see something in Clark. It shouldn't be Clark meets Ollie/Green Arrow that leads to the idea of a JLA, it should be Clark meeeting Bruce/Batman AND Diana/Wonder Woman that leads to the idea of a JLA.

God, its like the creators hate the comics. If they did, we wouldn't this much problems. This show needs to GET WITH IT. We need to, have to, want Clark as Superman NOW.

I'm glad we have Superman Returns.

I wonder what mod will have the honor of teaching this guy a lesson :o

[SoulManX]

or try 6.11 Justice the first new episode to air in january

Sweet thank for the heads uphttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_7_8.gif

[Batgort]

I just watched my copy of the opening to Superman Returns openign titles from the actual film. I love that than this. So many problems with the show, with Lana being the key one. I'm glad I got the REAL Superman in today's time.

I'm sorry but WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TREATING THESE CHARACTERS RIGHT? I want a Clark who sees something in Lois, same goes for Lois to see something in Clark. It shouldn't be Clark meets Ollie/Green Arrow that leads to the idea of a JLA, it should be Clark meeeting Bruce/Batman AND Diana/Wonder Woman that leads to the idea of a JLA.

God, its like the creators hate the comics. If they did, we wouldn't this much problems. This show needs to GET WITH IT. We need to, have to, want Clark as Superman NOW.

I'm glad we have Superman Returns.

Are you forgetting what Milton fine said? History is not about facts -- it is about the context and who is telling the story. This is the Smallville story, building up with complex relationships that has to last through out HUNDREDS of episodes across over half a dozen seasons.

Since Batman is off limits, the green arrow is the next best thing -- and hey, that's great! The green arrow is never going to have his own stand alone show, but having him as a prominent cast member gives some well-needed advertisements to the Green Arrow character. Besides, they can tell the story of a Green Arrow that resmebles Batman enough that you think he's awesome, and different enough to realize that he is defining his own character.

I don't see what the big deal with Lois and Clark is right now -- Lois is a relatively new character to the show, and their relationship is still building. Look at Lois and Clark, an entire show about the relationship and love between Lois and Clark and it took a lot of time for Lois to find out Clark is Superman and to love both, so give Smallville a break would you?

[SoulManX]

I like Arrow, I do. But, tonight I finally agree that he is a lame substitute for Batman.

Say what you want, as I'm sure you will. But, I really think GA is TOO close to Batman and his likeness.

I liked the episode, but I want to see REAL DC GA history, personality, and likeness. I don't want to see Bruce in a green outfit!!

Sigh be happy GA got on this show at all...

[Kaboom]

Sweet thank for the heads uphttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_7_8.gif

thats what im here for

[Cmill216]

You think she was serious?

I thought she knew it was a test... why else would she have reacted the way she did when she threatened that guy? When she looked away, I thought she'd been shaken by the experience... if she were really evil, she wouldn't have acted that way.

She was playing a part... I'm almost sure of it.

I have to rewatch it again, and then I'll get back to ya. ;)

[Cmill216]

The green arrow is never going to have his own stand alone show

Never say never. :ninja:

[TequilaBob]

That was an absolutly awesome episode. We finaly get to see Green Arrow in action, Chloe calling Clark "Man os Steel" (they haven't used that before have they?), they seem to have Ollie's attitude down perfectly, Lois becomming more of a reporter, and definately Ollie's invite to Clark to be a hero. I only hope Ollie calls clark a boyscout before his arc is over.

[SoulManX]

You know since they can't have WW for the Justice ep...they should get BC to fill in...that would be sweet.

[JStorm]

Sigh be happy GA got on this show at all...


I AM happy. But, you have to agree that GA is Bruce in a green outfit.

THAT IS NOT OLLIE!

I love cameos. But, what's next?

If they wanted to have the same likeness as Bruce they should have put in Hal Jordan minus the "dead parents, rich kid" bit.

[AgentPat]

PS. I didn't see any zits, ah wellFirst scene when Clark meets Ollie. Only one, but it was right between the eyes. Kinda distracting actually because it was Clark. He should ALWAYS look perfect. LOL ;)

[Kaboom]

You know since they can't have WW for the Justice ep...they should get BC to fill in...that would be sweet.

British Colombia?

[celldog]

I thought it was stupid that GA gases Lois and Chloe, takes the ring but leaves the camera.

[SoulManX]

British Colombia?

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Black Canary

[Cmill216]

^ They should save Dinah for the hopeful GA spinoff. :up:

[TrailerCues]

Ah a classic Supernatural episode :woot:

[SoulManX]

I thought it was stupid that GA gases Lois and Chloe, takes the ring but leaves the camera.

Well his Family Crest is being used by other people...throw them of the scent for a while.

[Spider-Fan83]

I thought it was stupid that GA gases Lois and Chloe, takes the ring but leaves the camera.
ya, i was kinda thinking that to, but I guess, he just didn't know that she took pics of it, or something

[Cmill216]

Ah a classic Supernatural episode :woot:

Is it a good one? Don't tell me anything specifically! I'm still finishing season 1 while taping season 2.

[Superman]

Good episode. :up: :yay:

[triplet]

First scene when Clark meets Ollie. Only one, but it was right between the eyes. Kinda distracting actually because it was Clark. He should ALWAYS look perfect. LOL ;)

Oh, it was Tom that had the bad skin?

Yikes and oops.

:D

... and way too funny.

I didn't notice, btw, but I was in the middle of making dinner at the beginning of the ep.

*shrug*

[Cmill216]

Good episode. :up: :yay:

There you have it folks. Even Superman approves of "Arrow". :)

[Kaboom]

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Black Canary

his gf...maybe?

[Cmill216]

his gf...maybe?

Yes, his GF....in the Green Arrow spinoff that is. :cmad: :oldrazz:

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[AgentPat]

Oh, it was Tom that had the bad skin?Heh! Yeah. He's the "star," right? LOLOL

Besides, who ELSE would I piss and moan about not looking perfect? :p ;) :D

[triplet]

:whatever: Where to start....

*snort*

[Kaboom]

Heh! Yeah. He's the "star," right? LOLOL

Besides, who ELSE would I piss and moan about not looking perfect? :p ;) :D

ED?

[Cmill216]

ED?

AM? :heart:

[Kaboom]

Ao?

[Spider-Fan83]

Kk?

[Cmill216]

Especially Ao.

[triplet]

I have to rewatch it again, and then I'll get back to ya. ;)

;)

You do that.

:D :up:

I could be wrong, I suppose. Otherwise, it's very possible I might be suffering from prolonged sleep deprivation.

Don't people start to hallucinate from that? ;)

:D

I REALLY need to get a new job!

Off to bed...

:D

[triplet]

Heh! Yeah. He's the "star," right? LOLOL

Besides, who ELSE would I piss and moan about not looking perfect? :p ;) :D

LOL!

Of course, silly me...

;)

[Kaboom]

Kk?

ah the MBi

[The Caped Knight]

I just watched my copy of the opening to Superman Returns openign titles from the actual film. I love that than this. So many problems with the show, with Lana being the key one. I'm glad I got the REAL Superman in today's time.

I'm sorry but WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TREATING THESE CHARACTERS RIGHT? I want a Clark who sees something in Lois, same goes for Lois to see something in Clark. It shouldn't be Clark meets Ollie/Green Arrow that leads to the idea of a JLA, it should be Clark meeeting Bruce/Batman AND Diana/Wonder Woman that leads to the idea of a JLA.

God, its like the creators hate the comics. If they did, we wouldn't this much problems. This show needs to GET WITH IT. We need to, have to, want Clark as Superman NOW.

I'm glad we have Superman Returns.

Well I agree I like Superman Returns a lot more because it more in line with The Mythology than smallville is most of the time .

However compeared to the last 5 seasons of smallville, So far Season 6 is the best and their is an improvement on the main focus on the show [Which is Clark Kent's Journey to becoming [b]SUPERMAN] not his damn teenage love life and him deal with adolescence while he is developing superpowers, and search for his true purpose in life.

This season so far is more [SUPERMAN-IN-TRAINING] than last season's I see The Transformation from The Farmboy to [b]THE MAN OF STEEL.

So hang in their [The closer, Lois Lane, Clark Kent & Lex Luthor draw nearer to their ultimate DESTINIES. The Closer SUPERMAN will emarge and all the missing piece of the mess up puzzel smallville has created, will fall into their rightfull places.] :super:

[Serene]

You think she was serious?

I thought she knew it was a test... why else would she have reacted the way she did when she threatened that guy? When she looked away, I thought she'd been shaken by the experience... if she were really evil, she wouldn't have acted that way.

She was playing a part... I'm almost sure of it.

Hee!
So nice to see that we still share a brain on a few things. ;)

I think there is an intentional ambiguity to our new Ms. Lana....I kinda love it.

LOVED this ep too. I need to rewatch it later, but man.. did they put a LOT into this episode, and the balance was just about perfect. I prefer a bit more Clark in my shows, but since this was an ep to intro Ollie, I can let it slide.. This time. ;)

[TrailerCues]

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Weeeeeeeeee

[Serene]

^That was awesome. :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow, GREAT episode liked it a lot.

Ollie's characterizarion was pretty spot on. Loved the line about fascists and pacifists. Also glad they had him change his voice as the GA. The trick arrows were cool too. Shooting the bullet was a little much but the effect looked pretty damn cool. I was pretty impressed how they showed a full blown superhero on the show.

The Luthor stuff was pretty cool, though I cant quite get a read on whether or not Lana was acting in the elevator or seriously threatening that guy. I hope it's the former.

Ollie/Clark exchanges when Ollie was on the bike and then back at the barn were really well done too.

[Batman]

I just watched my copy of the opening to Superman Returns openign titles from the actual film. I love that than this. So many problems with the show, with Lana being the key one. I'm glad I got the REAL Superman in today's time.

I'm sorry but WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TREATING THESE CHARACTERS RIGHT? I want a Clark who sees something in Lois, same goes for Lois to see something in Clark. It shouldn't be Clark meets Ollie/Green Arrow that leads to the idea of a JLA, it should be Clark meeeting Bruce/Batman AND Diana/Wonder Woman that leads to the idea of a JLA.

God, its like the creators hate the comics. If they did, we wouldn't this much problems. This show needs to GET WITH IT. We need to, have to, want Clark as Superman NOW.

I'm glad we have Superman Returns.

...

Smallville's Green Arrow... well, practically is Batman. Or at least, as close as Smallville will probably ever come. And it's not their fault they can't use him or Diana. Blame the rights/trademarks, because it's no secret the producers DID want to include Bruce Wayne on the show in earlier seasons. In the meantime, I'd suggest just pretending that Ollie has pointy ears.

Lois and Clark hating eachother earlier on is NOT something new at all, so I don't get what that argument is. But as Ollie actually mentioned in this episode, Clark may actually be trying to... you know, hide any feelings he has for Lois, and vice versa. It would be utterly stupid for them to outright love eachother from the beginning, especially in a long running show with numerous arcs and storylines. Even Superman: TAS never did that. Lovebirds is not something that Lois and Clark were when they met. That's who they gradually became, OVER TIME. This show is not doing anything different by any means with that, apart from backtracking it a few years.

EDIT: ...And wow, am I late with this.

Um... er...

Good episode. :o:up:

[DOG LIPS]

MB, stop being an MB. :cmad:

[War Party]

This was a pretty damn good episode.

[TrailerCues]

Someone had to do this

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[The Caped Knight]

Someone had to do this

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:cmad: :bomb: :bomb: :mad:

Don't push your luck .

[thebigtree95]

The sound was off from the video, made for a distracting watch tonight. Looks like I can try to get a better copy since the show will now be repeated on Sunday.

*E*

Loved the episode by the way. Green Arrow is one of my favorites, so his appearance is making me happy. It's going to be fun to watch how his relationship builds with Clark.

[Serene]

Oh, it was Tom that had the bad skin?
LOL... Ollie had a zit too, or maybe it's a mole. I'll have to make a cap of it later, but it's funny that we pick up on these things. Pat's right.. I guess it's because we expect these guys to be perfect. Meh.. close enough. ;)

[Brainiac 8]

:whatever: Where to start....

hehe, cmill, where to start exactly.:woot:

[The Incredible Hulk]

anyone else disappointed we didnt get a wet t-shirt shot of Lois when she was getting dunked in that trough? I SO that they were going there with the white shirt :D





yes, I'm a pig :o

[The Caped Knight]

...


Lois and Clark hating eachother earlier on is NOT something new at all, so I don't get what that argument is. But as Ollie actually mentioned in this episode, Clark may actually be trying to... you know, hide any feelings he has for Lois, and vice versa. It would be utterly stupid for them to outright love eachother from the beginning, especially in a long running show with numerous arcs and storylines. Even Superman: TAS never did that. Lovebirds is not something that Lois and Clark were when they met. That's who they gradually became, OVER TIME. This show is not doing anything different by any means with that, apart from backtracking it a few years.



1. Lois & Clark don't hate each other [right now their relationship is on the Independent Sister & Overprotective Brother relationship.]

2. In Every Incarnation of Superman [Lois & Clark go throught three stages in their realtionship before their become soulmates]

First of we have the famous love triangle between [Lois Lane/SUPERMAN & Clark Kent][Lois fall's madly head over heels in love with SUPERMAN.] [As SUPERMAN, Clark is able to express his true feelings for Lois]


1. love/hate - [Clark falls in love with Lois at first sight]/[Lois look's at clark and is not impressed with what she see]

2. Rivials - [Lois & Clark Become The Daily Planet's number 1 Ace reporting team, after butting heads to get the story and byline. Perry Teams them up after seeing they make a great team together and not divide.]

3. Best friends - [After Years of working together the two reporters become real close and the best of friends. that they begin to fall both madly in love with each other]

4. Super romance/Super Couple/Soulmates - [by this time Lois fell madly in love with The Farmboy, and not so much the Man Of Steel. So by the time she found out that her Farmboy "Smallville" is in fact her Flyboy. She loved The Man behind the cape, more than The Man in the cape. and so she got married to her Farmboy/alien and they've been happly married ever since for over 10 years]

In Fact this month is Their 10th Wedding Anniversary [In The comics & The Tv Series Lois & Clark]. :super:

[thebigtree95]

In Fact this month is Their 10th Wedding Anniversary [In The comics & The Tv Series Lois & Clark]. :super:

Smallville made its debut 5 years ago this week. Coincidence, I think not. :word:

[Serene]

anyone else disappointed we didnt get a wet t-shirt shot of Lois when she was getting dunked in that trough? I SO that they were going there with the white shirt :D

LOL! That honestly didn't even occur to me. :D

I was impressed with the level of violence they were inflicting on Lois. It was a very realistic scene, and not one I could imagine them doing with either Chloe or Lana.

Lois - I was really happy with her in this episode. Actually, I was happy with pretty much all of the characters. I'll have to fill in the details later. :)

[Cmill216]

Lois - I was really happy with her in this episode. Actually, I was happy with pretty much all of the characters. I'll have to fill in the details later. :)

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

[Kaboom]

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

:up: i was thinking the exact same thing

[The Caped Knight]

I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.

That was 100 % Lois Lane.

And based on tonights episode which will end her relationship with him. [Their playing it excatly like Bruce Timm "BATMAN/SUPERMAN movie" "World's Finest" Lois has a relationship with Bruce Wayne when he comes to Metropolis [And Clark is Jealous as hell as well as concered for Lois safety]. He short lived romance with Bruce ends when she discovers he's [b]BATMAN. [not to mention after this story arc in the rest of the series of SUPERMAN : THE ANIMATED SERIES, after Bruce telling Clark to take a chance and being to open up to Lois about his true feelings he has for her. Clark/SUPERMAN does it so by JL/JLU Lois is Superman's girlfriend and Clark Kent has become good friends with Lois.]

[Batgort]

I really liked when Clark first encountered Oliver Queen on the motorcycle, acting so stern to him and the 'you owe me one' line -- I hope this, just like the last scene, starts to build a great green arrow / superman dynamic, just like we have a superman/batman dynamic.

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

I agree that the Lois-looking-for-green-arrow-identity bits were classic Lois, and really gave Erica Durance a chance to shine as the character of Lois Lane.

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

[Batgort]

[ double post ]

[thebigtree95]

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

Excellent stuff, nice post.

Not giving Green Arrow a chance would have been like people not giving Batman a chance just because he was the opposite of Superman.

[Serene]

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

Really nice post, and great points Batgort. :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I really liked when Clark first encountered Oliver Queen on the motorcycle, acting so stern to him and the 'you owe me one' line -- I hope this, just like the last scene, starts to build a great green arrow / superman dynamic, just like we have a superman/batman dynamic.

We shouldn't hate Green Arrow because we can't have batman, and we shouldn't hate green arrow because he is similar to batman -- we should embrace him, as a great dynamic in the show, and as a secondary character in the DC universe getting put in the spot light for a bit.

Batman wouldn't be where he is today, if people didn't want to tell his stories over and over again for over 50 years. Maybe this is a chance for the character of green arrow to have a popular story, and grow the mythology of the green arrow - just like the mythology of batman grew through popularity.

Also, Green Arrow isn't exactly like Batman, he does have many witty lines in Smallville that probably most of us are ignoring because we are amazed with all the gadgets and trying to compare him to Batman.

I agree that the Lois-looking-for-green-arrow-identity bits were classic Lois, and really gave Erica Durance a chance to shine as the character of Lois Lane.

Last but not least, let's remember that Smallville is one of the great instances where the world of comic books and all of their mythology is being adapted to a medium that is extremlely popular amongst non-comic book fans, and provides the means for people to get interested in those characters. I'm not upset about Batman not being on Smallville, I'm excited that Green Arrow can be. I'm excited that the show is popular, and it will create a desire in the populous to see more of these characters in new stories. There are many great DC stories to tell, and Smallville is telling some of them in a new fashion, that will hopefully have story arcs, plots, and characters that will last a couple more seasons or spawn some new series that we can continue to enjoy for years to come.

good stuff :up: You should post here more often

[Cmill216]

In rewatching it, I absolutely loved everything about Tom's performance in that scene between Clark and GA. There was a bit of Superman-like confidence in his stance and the way he impeded GA from walking any further.

[Cmill216]

Things I Noticed When I Rewatched It #2:

I loved the moment where both Clark and Ollie's cells/devices go off, both with alerts. Two heroes getting the call, so to speak. ;)

[Brainiac 8]

Anyone else think "Arrow Cave?":oldrazz:

I'll have to give my review later, but this was my favorite episode so far this season.:woot:

[The Caped Knight]

Excellent stuff, nice post.

Not giving Green Arrow a chance would have been like people not giving Batman a chance just because he was the opposite of Superman.

That part of the reason BATMAN & SUPERMAN are The World's most popular recognizable and iconic superheroes. [Batman is the compleate opposite to Superman] Bruce Wayne is the compleate opposite to Clark Kent [However they both have a lot in common in fact some writter refer to them as Brothers]

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Which is why many fans inculding myself would love to see these two meet face to face [pre-BATS, Pre-SUPS] besides the fact their the core group of The DCU and thier the two main leaders of The Justice Leauge. Having Bruce on the show would be an historical moment for both the series and in The DCU.

Out of all The DCU superhero BATS is fan favorite to guest star .

[Poetic Chaos]

When Will Lana Die?!?!?!

[Gold Samurai]

When Will Lana Die?!?!?!


......when the writers decide that she's no longer needed.

The way I see it lana has to pass through all the bad (lex betrayal, lies deceit,etc) to finally end up at the good( a quiet life in Smallville while everyone is off in Metropolis) at least thats the way I would end it.

[avidreader]

Hee!
So nice to see that we still share a brain on a few things. ;)

I think there is an intentional ambiguity to our new Ms. Lana....I kinda love it.

LOVED this ep too. I need to rewatch it later, but man.. did they put a LOT into this episode, and the balance was just about perfect. I prefer a bit more Clark in my shows, but since this was an ep to intro Ollie, I can let it slide.. This time. ;)

A couple of more scenes with Clark and it would have been right up there with my favourites. I just cant go through a whole Act with only one Clark scene. :csad:

And that's an interesting observation by you and Triplet regarding Lana. Cause I was thinking, WTH! :wow:

Loved that last scene with Ollie and Clark in the Loft. Perfection!

And Clarkie made up for the zit in the first scene by looking absolutely perfect in the last one.

Kai, definitely need to screen cap that. Love white T-shirt Clark. :heart:

[MJZ]

Best episode of the season by far. Loved everything about it. :up:

And those dastardly Luthors!

[TrailerCues]

Thinking about it I think Lana knows she is being tested & she is "choosing" to do the things Lex would think Lana would not normally do. Come on you just know there were cameras in that elevator (owned by Lex) Lana would have to be an idiot to not know that & also with the fact that she did not seem surprised one bit that Lex knew she betrayed him & I wonder if now Clark & Oliver will start hanging out a bit starting to become buddies

[Serene]

Okay.. one more point, now that I've rewatched the ep: What the hell are they doing with Lois and Chloe's relationship? More specifically, this is the second ep that I thought Chloe was showing signs of cousin-envy.

And talking Lois into "trusting" her.. then almost bragging to Clark about how she "may have forgot to tell Lois.." about the image of the crest that she was able to render. Man..I wonder if they are trying to build resentment and envy between those two. It's really just an extension, I suppose, of what we saw at the end of "Facade" when Lois was ruffling Clark's wet hair, and Chloe looked on with an "Oh, ****.. not again" look on her face.

[Pickle-El]

anyone else disappointed we didnt get a wet t-shirt shot of Lois when she was getting dunked in that trough? I SO that they were going there with the white shirt :D





yes, I'm a pig :o

You're hoggin the Pen! ;)

Easily the best episode this season......could be one of my all time favorites. I must see it again soon and decide. Pure :up:.

[TrailerCues]

Okay.. one more point, now that I've rewatched the ep: What the hell are they doing with Lois and Chloe's relationship? More specifically, this is the second ep that I thought Chloe was showing signs of cousin-envy.

And talking Lois into "trusting" her.. then almost bragging to Clark about how she "may have forgot to tell Lois.." about the image of the crest that she was able to render. Man..I wonder if they are trying to build resentment and envy between those two. It's really just an extension, I suppose, of what we saw at the end of "Facade" when Lois was ruffling Clark's wet hair, and Chloe looked on with an "Oh, ****.. not again" look on her face.

They are probably setting up the stage for Lois to start being taken serious as a reporter & will get more stories & probably be offered a job at the planet somewhere down the line with Chloe still working where she is working & Chloe will eventually get jealous to the point of no return & go bonkers & end up in a nut place like mom

[The Caped Knight]

They are probably setting up the stage for Lois to start being taken serious as a reporter & will get more stories & probably be offered a job at the planet somewhere down the line with Chloe still working where she is working & Chloe will eventually get jealous to the point of no return & go bonkers & end up in a nut place like mom

It looks like they are heading excatly down that direction. [Lois has already made to front page headline stories.] This by no means has gone unoticed. In Fact I won't be surprised if Perry White is already taken an intrest in Lois Lane's carrer in journalism as a Reporter. [setting up the stage for him to hire her as a full time Ace Reporter upstairs @ The Daily Planet when he becomes Editor - and-Chief .] :super:

[The Caped Knight]

I'd also like to mention I'm glad Smallville doesn't have anymore Famous pop, country, teen etc.... music and is just plain old pure instrumental music .

[muscaremy]

ey was it just me or did the arrow call clark beav.... during the robbery

[WompuM]

you know, i was really against the compund bow starting off, but this is a young, gadget arrow ollie and honestly, a compound bow that is full of gadgets itself is perfectly plausible. I know we wont be seeing any boxing gloves but hey, you never know.
Ollie fires an arrow at Lex's mansion after Lex is working out, misses Lex and hits his boxing gloved. I would crap a taco salad if that happened.

[Zorex]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/459/untitledmi4.gif

Weeeeeeeeee
lovely shot :up:
I thought the whole element of her trying to find out GA's identity was amazingly classic Lois Lane. And of course, she got kidnapped to boot. If that's not Lois, than I don't know what is.
Yep, Lois is heading into journalism, and getting into trouble because of it. This I like :up:

[Assassin]

ey was it just me or did the arrow call clark beav.... during the robbery

yea he did.

[Assassin]

Now all we need is to bring back Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg. That my friend would make for one hell of a season ender.

Um..look up episode 11 i believe, what ever number it is, its called justice

[Zing79]

That last scene in the barn is just so ridiculously good, it’s hard to put into words. You can see it all in the span of 5 minutes. The angst is gone; the strength of conviction is there. The true nature of his bond to Lois is just beneath the surface.

I’m sure they’ll pull it back just as quickly as they showed it off. But it’s right there in that scene. A brief but powerful glimpse of the man he’s going to become very soon.

You know, most of us don’t even realize it -- it’s such a gradual thing that we continue to stick to the same beliefs we had about the character, because we think nothing’s changed. Our perception is that the character never learns, never grows.

1+1+1…+1 is such a gradual change in numbers that it doesn’t phase us. What’s the difference between 114 and 115 really? How about 107 and 115? None of us sees it. We ignore the fact the count has been running so long that we miss the obvious chasm that exists between 1 and 115?

[KalKai]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7343/garrowhj3.gif http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6779/garrow2cq2.gif

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8819/garrow3bv9.gif http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1362/garrow4uz1.gif

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1193/garrow5io9.gif http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4663/garrow6ry1.gif

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/118/garrow7ew6.gif

[Assassin]

some one get a gif of the arrow hitting the bullet

[Katsuro]

Man, it's about time someone finally told Clark to get off his butt and become a superhero. Chloe even called him a superhero, and he didn't correct her.

[KalKai]

some one get a gif of the arrow hitting the bullet

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4539/garrow8fe4.gif

[triplet]

Hee!
So nice to see that we still share a brain on a few things. ;)

I think there is an intentional ambiguity to our new Ms. Lana....I kinda love it.

LOVED this ep too. I need to rewatch it later, but man.. did they put a LOT into this episode, and the balance was just about perfect. I prefer a bit more Clark in my shows, but since this was an ep to intro Ollie, I can let it slide.. This time. ;)

Yeah, definitely not enough Clark, especially in the first couple of acts, but he was so supermanly in the final acts it more than made up for it in my mind.

:D

Loved this ep.

:up:

[Assassin]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4539/garrow8fe4.gif

Thanks :up:

[Whiteflag]

Great gifs Kalkai! :up: (Saving the ones with Clark)

[ssj wolverine]

Much better than that piece of garbage last week. But what is up with TW being a guest star for the past two episodes? I actually liked the Green Arrow but I think it is time for TPTB to remember who this show is supposed to be about. Lana? What can I say. That scene in the elevator made me laugh so hard. She is about as threatening as Minny Me. That scene totally came out of left field. I usually want her to die but now I want her to die slow and painfully. Loved that fact that there is still evil in my boy Lionel. I was worried that Chloe would be upset with Clark destroying her files but I was glad that she understood his reasoning. Last but not least Lois = annoying.

[AirKnight82]

I noticed that lois is getting a bit annoying as she becomes a reporter/article writer. I loved it when Lana decided to get in that guys face on the elevator. It was a great epi all in all, and hope they show GA and Clark working together in future episodes. I'm just wondering what will Chloe do if Lois ever gets a job at the Daily. Laterz

[AllThingsComic]

I enjoyed the episode with 2 minor annoyances, Lana in the elevator, rrriiiigggght! All of a sudden she's threatening people? Give me a break, it's time for her to go!! Her purpose is done on the show, time to go! Second, Ollie has been training and conditioning his body for how long now and Lois has the agility to take his bow away from him? Give me a break now. Episode was great bar those two corny moments. Ollies speech at the end was the best part of the show! It almost gave me hope(not really) for a Justice show!

[NHawk19]

I liked this ep a lot things really came along nicely and we finally get to see that actual DC costumed heros will exist in the Smallville Universe.

Things I liked:

Lionel, he's sort of in the same place Lex was in season one. Lex summed it up with his comments about how his dad has been trying to be a good man for so long he may acctually believe he is one.

I liked the Chloe take on Lois' article. I know most see it as a sign of jealousy but remember Chloe was an editor in HS and that (or whatever is above it) may be more in line with her aspirations. While with Lois we know she ends up being a reporter.

Lois, Dont tell me they actually gave her direction?!?! its about time.

Lana, she may be a b**** but somehow with this incarnation of her it fits.

Lex, MR seemed really on.

and Finally Green Arrow. There was just great interaction and his character really challenged Clark's beliefs on right & wrong, and results vs. methods used. The costume to be honest I knew what was going and who GA was and with the way the hood and glasses sat on him in the dark it was at times tough to distiguish. I dont know that it would be the same in daylight but that seems to be a problem with everyone who hides their identity.

Things I didnt like:

There wasnt much, except that Clarks story seems to be getting a little side tracked in favor of other things. However, it may be necessary to do so because Clark really isnt in a good place right now and only interacts with people to save them with exception of Chloe.

All in all great episode even if I thought at times GA was a little like a certain other caped crusader, however it really didnt bug me because they do have similar gimmicks.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Good show I just don't understand why they dont write the Green Arrow to act like the Green Arrow instead of Batman.

[AgentPat]

A couple of more scenes with Clark and it would have been right up there with my favorites.Yes!

And that's an interesting observation by you and Triplet regarding Lana. Cause I was thinking, WTH!I'm still thinking WTH 'cause that blackmail stuff, whether real or a smoke screen, had to come from somewhere. This is one of the reasons I think people are frustrated with Lana. She's all over the freakin' map, calling Clark on his lies and seeing right through them in one episode, and being completely clueless, crying like a blithering scored GF the next. How can she be so smart yet so dumb at the same time?

So now what? The writers are setting her up this season to be smarter than Lex *AND* Lionel by having her "act" as Lex's lover while she foils their plan for developing the ultimate weapon? I wouldn't put it past them to take her character in that direction, but going from cheerleader to coffee shop owner to art student to Mata Hari Just. Doesn't. Fly. It really bugs me that they think viewers will buy that character arc with her. Jeeze, wasn't being possessed by a 500 y.o. dead witch enough?

Honestly, I really, REALLY wish they could have just left her as Clark's oblivious girlfriend that he saved from some horrible misfortune every third episode or so. At least they could have ran with some humor in that interpretation and kept the serious stuff between Clark and Lex. Oh well. *sigh*

Loved that last scene with Ollie and Clark in the Loft. Perfection!People come down so hard on the ubiquitous loft scenes, but they are often the best scenes in every episode. This one ranks right up there with Naman and Sageeth.

Great gifs Kalkai! :up: (Saving the ones with Clark)Beetcha to it. LOL ;)

And I agree with Avid (again), more white T-Shirts for Clarkie. :D :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think people are taking that Lana scene wrong. It wasn't out of character for her, she was putting on an act. I think after the whole fiasco with the camera in her bedroom she knows Lex is watching her. Especially since she was in the LuthorCorp elevator where she knows damn well Lex can see her.

Notice how she didnt act surprised when Lex told her that he "didnt know blackmail was one of her talents." If she didnt think she was being watched her first question would've been "how the hell do you know about that?"

[Brainiac 8]

That last scene in the barn is just so ridiculously good, it’s hard to put into words. You can see it all in the span of 5 minutes. The angst is gone; the strength of conviction is there. The true nature of his bond to Lois is just beneath the surface.

I’m sure they’ll pull it back just as quickly as they showed it off. But it’s right there in that scene. A brief but powerful glimpse of the man he’s going to become very soon.

You know, most of us don’t even realize it -- it’s such a gradual thing that we continue to stick to the same beliefs we had about the character, because we think nothing’s changed. Our perception is that the character never learns, never grows.

1+1+1…+1 is such a gradual change in numbers that it doesn’t phase us. What’s the difference between 114 and 115 really? How about 107 and 115? None of us sees it. We ignore the fact the count has been running so long that we miss the obvious chasm that exists between 1 and 115?


Good points Zing, the development is deffinatly there.

[Cmill216]

I think people are taking that Lana scene wrong. It wasn't out of character for her, she was putting on an act. I think after the whole fiasco with the camera in her bedroom she knows Lex is watching her. Especially since she was in the LuthorCorp elevator where she knows damn well Lex can see her.

Notice how she didnt act surprised when Lex told her that he "didnt know blackmail was one of her talents." If she didnt think she was being watched her first question would've been "how the hell do you know about that?"

And after rewatching it last night, I agree. I originally had no problem with that Lana scene, and that hasn't changed.

[AgentPat]

I think people are taking that Lana scene wrong. It wasn't out of character for her, she was putting on an act...That was kinda my point in my previous post. Where'd it come from? Are the writers setting Lana up to be some sort of double spy? It's ridiculous. She's what... 20? How is it going to be believable that she can double-cross Lex *and* Lionel so well, yet she's dumb as a stump when it comes to Clark? It's just silly. And if the writers *do* go in that direction, just watch some of the hardcore haterz lay into Lana like you've NEVER seen before. They'll begin to wonder if she was sleeping with Clark for similar reasons: to get to the bottom of Teh Secret.

I don't think that at all, but just watch grasshopper. I'm calling it here and now. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

[Cmill216]

That was kinda my point in my previous post. Where'd it come from?

Her progression in her relationship with Lex. We can infer that she's been living with him now for a good while, they did it, she's getting extremely close to him, and we're starting to see that effect.

[Morg]

Only complaint is why the hell Clark didn't use his X-ray vision to know it's Oliver Green in the costume? And Dark Lana? Bleah, kill her now

[Brainiac 8]

Her progression in her relationship with Lex. We can infer that she's been living with him now for a good while, they did it, she's getting extremely close to him, and we're starting to see that effect.


That is the same thing my wife and I were discussing after the show, if your around someone enough, their personality will start to rub off. It may not be a charade after all, I just hope they explain her actions some.

[Eros]

lana scene made me laugh out loud.

[Red]

Incredible episode :up:

[AgentPat]

Her progression in her relationship with Lex. We can infer that she's been living with him now for a good while, they did it, she's getting extremely close to him, and we're starting to see that effect.But how is her relationship with Lex different than that with Clark? From her POV, that is? Lex has kept secrets from her, saved her, and almost killed her under situations that weren't his fault. Every BF she's had has gone bizarre in some way or another, even Whitney. In the real world, Lana SHOULD have been playing for the other team by now. (Reference Seinfeld) LOL ;)

[blksuperman2]

Only complaint is why the hell Clark didn't use his X-ray vision to know it's Oliver Green in the costume? And Dark Lana? Bleah, kill her now

Because he doesn't have see-thru vision. He only has X-ray vision. I don't remember episode names but when that kid from Home Improvement was juiced up on Kryptonite he was wearing a ski mask and Clark tried to use his X-ray vision and couldn't see the guy.(He did notice a metal plate in his head though).

[Eros]

Because he doesn't have see-thru vision. He only has X-ray vision. I don't remember episode names but when that kid from Home Improvement was juiced up on Kryptonite he was wearing a ski mask and Clark tried to use his X-ray vision and couldn't see the guy.(He did notice a metal plate in his head though).

That doesn't make much sense dude, becasue X-ray vision is see thru vision

[bad3appels]

Clark can't dance?
have you watched spell?? whahahahaha

this episode was much better then wither,soo i`m not complaining.
Green arrow was cool.
i`m still confused about lionel..is he good or is he bad??
lana was great,she is up to something,
you know what,she is like a snake..you can never tell when she will strike

[blksuperman2]

That doesn't make much sense dude, becasue X-ray vision is see thru vision

Not in Smallville. Since the pilot have you ever seen him see thru something? No.

[Chris Wallace]

When it first kicked in he saw into the girls' locker room.

[triplet]

Not in Smallville. Since the pilot have you ever seen him see thru something? No.

Uhm, in Sneeze he looked through the wall to see the room beyond and he didn't have x-ray vision in the pilot...

He didn't get it until later in the first season in the episode xray...

:confused:

[Eros]

Not in Smallville. Since the pilot have you ever seen him see thru something? No.

seeing through into the girls locker room, and then seeing Lana undress[X-ray season 1]. seeing through peoples skin, and also seeing into lockers, counts as "something" dude.

[Brainiac 8]

Not in Smallville. Since the pilot have you ever seen him see thru something? No.

In X-Ray, he was also able to see into Tina Greer's locker and see the money that was inside it. I can't remember if that used the X-Ray effects or not though.

[COMPO]

he can see through things but, a lot of the time it's like an x-ray

[Kaboom]

didnt he look thru the elevator into the shaft and then zoom down too?

[AllThingsComic]

I could be wrong and I'm terrible with episode names, but the first episode with red kryptonite, didn't Pete reprimand Clark for peeking into the girls locker room?

[Brainiac 8]

I could be wrong and I'm terrible with episode names, but the first episode with red kryptonite, didn't Pete reprimand Clark for peeking into the girls locker room?

You're right, but it wasn't the locker room, Clark was looking at Chloes birthmark through the back of her pants. I would guess that means he can see just throught the material.

[Kaboom]

am i the only one who likes the MBi?

[The Caped Knight]

http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Clark_Kent#Powers_and_Abilities

[blksuperman2]

Well if I don't know what I'm talking about then why couldn't clark see this guys face?

http://www.kryptonsite.com/witness-kickass.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/witness_087.jpg
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/witness_088.jpg

[KalKai]

See-thru was only used in "X-ray" and never again, have you ever seen him use it since then? No, because it's called X-ray vision and not See-thru vision, and that's what they wanted.

Using it on GA or anyone else with a mask/hood/glasses or whatever they have would be useless since it would only show the skeleton like they always show us, the scene blksuperman2 was talking about before is this:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8772/xraypb7.gif

[blksuperman2]

See-thru was only used in "X-ray" and never again, have you ever seen him use it since then? No, because it's called X-ray vision and not See-thru vision, and that's what they wanted.

Using it on GA or anyone else with a mask/hood/glasses or whatever they have would be useless since it would only show the skeleton like they always show us, the scene blksuperman2 was talking about before is this:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8772/xraypb7.gif

Thank you. I'm glad someone else actually follows this show. Jeez:whatever:

[RakuMon]

Also, in "Red," Red-K Clark told Pete about the mole on Chloe's left buttock. :D

"Arrow" was freakin' fantastic! Love Hartley as GA (though I thought the Bat music was a little much. Still, knowing that Bats will never ever be on the show, seeing GA take on the BW storylines is good enough).

I too noticed that Clark was barely in the episode. I turned to my wife around 8:25 and we were both like "Where's Clark?"

I loved so many things that I'll only list a couple things that continue to irk me:

1. Lana. 'Nuff said.
2. Martha contemplating a run for U.S. Senate? Please, no.
3. Get Lois OUT of the Talon. NOW! Seriously, why is she living at the Talon? Get her an apartment in Metropolis. Have her room w/ Chloe. And you don't even need to build a new set. Just redress the Talon apartment and call it an apartment that overlooks Metropolis. Esp. since Lois is working at the Inquisitor (even if she's only freelancing for now), it only makes sense to get her out of Smallville. Seriously, why did those thugs drive her three hours just to waterboard her? And how did Ollie get their so fast? All these distance inconsistencies can be solved very easily if Lois lived in Metropolis.

Anyway, other than the issue of Lois living at the Talon, I loved this episode. Definitely the best of the season and one of the best of the series! :up:

[Eros]

red-K Clark mentioned how he saw chloe mole as been stated before, so obvioulsy Clark can see through clothes if he wanted to.

[The Caped Knight]

Clark's powers in Smallville

The general trend of Clark's powers is that they grow more powerful each season. Each new power generally manifests itself suddenly and uncontrollably and Clark must establish control without exposing his secret. The Smallville series begins with Clark aware only of his superstrength and superspeed. Within each season the highest limits of Clark's abilities are used to describe the gradual evolution of these powers.

http://www.answers.com/topic/clark-s-powers-in-smallville

[blksuperman2]

red-K Clark mentioned how he saw chloe mole as been stated before, so obvioulsy Clark can see through clothes if he wanted to.

Now who's not making sense.

See-thru was only used in "X-ray" and never again, have you ever seen him use it since then? No, because it's called X-ray vision and not See-thru vision, and that's what they wanted.

Using it on GA or anyone else with a mask/hood/glasses or whatever they have would be useless since it would only show the skeleton like they always show us, the scene blksuperman2 was talking about before is this:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8772/xraypb7.gif

I would think Clark would actually want to see his face.

[The Caped Knight]

In other news

I have a feeling The Black Kryptonian box from "Zod" is what's going to Re-Power up The Fortress Of Solitude in "fallout" .

[Brainiac 8]

In other news

I have a feeling The Black Kryptonian box from "Zod" is what's going to Re-Power up The Fortress Of Solitude in "fallout" .


I'm thinking the same thing Kal.:yay:

[Kaboom]

In other news

I have a feeling The Black Kryptonian box from "Zod" is what's going to Re-Power up The Fortress Of Solitude in "fallout" .

yes....i agree

[The Caped Knight]

As for the whole X-ray issue

Clark's powers are increasing as he becomes older.

So it's only a matter of time before , his x-ray vision devleops into [Telescopic vision] & [Microscopic Vision] .

[avidreader]

Okay.. one more point, now that I've rewatched the ep: What the hell are they doing with Lois and Chloe's relationship? More specifically, this is the second ep that I thought Chloe was showing signs of cousin-envy.

Personally, I think its just going to be friendly rivalry. Kind of like the Lois and Clark relationship. Lois hates to be outscooped, so I think they're just setting up that side of her personality.

And on my second viewing, I dont think Tom/Clark was sporting a zit, I think it was a knock on the forehead. It looked like a bruise.:csad:

[avidreader]

Yeah, definitely not enough Clark, especially in the first couple of acts, but he was so supermanly in the final acts it more than made up for it in my mind.

:D

Loved this ep.

:up:

What happened to your review for Wither. Did I miss it at Ksite?

[Kaboom]

What happened to your review for Wither. Did I miss it at Ksite?

LOL..dont even get her started on that one!

[avidreader]

And I agree with Avid (again), more white T-Shirts for Clarkie. :D :up:

Did you notice whilst Clark was wearing his angelic white, Ollie was in all black?

Clark is STILL the man! :woot:

And I also noticed Lana was wearing a white jacket this episode, which to me kind of indicated that although her scenes made her look like a "badass" she was actually being good.

[The Caped Knight]

I'm thinking the same thing Kal.:yay:

yes....i agree

Great minds think alike . :woot:

[avidreader]

That was kinda my point in my previous post. Where'd it come from? Are the writers setting Lana up to be some sort of double spy? It's ridiculous. She's what... 20? How is it going to be believable that she can double-cross Lex *and* Lionel so well, yet she's dumb as a stump when it comes to Clark? It's just silly. And if the writers *do* go in that direction, just watch some of the hardcore haterz lay into Lana like you've NEVER seen before. They'll begin to wonder if she was sleeping with Clark for similar reasons: to get to the bottom of Teh Secret.

I don't think that at all, but just watch grasshopper. I'm calling it here and now. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

I think for the moment she's putting Clark aside. No scenes together is a good indication of this.

But I also think she's acting this way because she feels like she's burned so many times that this time she's gonna take a stand and make sure she doesnt.

Its good character growth for her.

[Kaboom]

Did you notice whilst Clark was wearing his angelic white, Ollie was in all black?

Clark is STILL the man! :woot:

And I also noticed Lana was wearing a white jacket this episode, which to me kind of indicated that although her scenes made her look like a "badass" she was actually being good.

yea in that last scene i was like "where's his blue tee-shirt?"

[AllThingsComic]

Lana= served her purpose, time to go!

Lois= know her dad probably taught her some fighting moves, but c'mon, getting Ollies bow awayfrom him like that, really???

[avidreader]

Lana= served her purpose, time to go!

Lois= know her dad probably taught her some fighting moves, but c'mon, getting Ollies bow awayfrom him like that, really???

Well it could be that since Green Arrow has a thing for Lois he's not going to use all his strength to fight her off.

I didnt think that was unrealistic.

[The Caped Knight]

Lois= know her dad probably taught her some fighting moves, but c'mon, getting Ollies bow away from him like that, really???

Lois is a well trained army brat :o , Besides Oliver didn't want to hurt her .

[Kaboom]

anybody else find it odd that when Lois was unconcious from being "drowned" ollie didnt try to give her mouth to mouth?

do you think there is some kind of rule from TPTB that Lois cannot lip-lock another hero?

[Nautica7mk]

Lois is a well trained army brat :o , Besides Oliver didn't want to hurt her .
And he got caught off-guard. This isn't just some random save, he's dating her.

do you think there is some kind of rule from TPTB that Lois cannot lip-lock another hero?[/
I didn't think that she drowned. I thought she was holding her breath for a really long time. And she has kissed Aquaman, so I don't think there's a clause about not kissing superheroes that isn't Clark Kent.

[KalKai]

She kissed A.C., and she probably will kiss Ollie in the near future.

[Chris Wallace]

There's not a whole lot I can say about this episode. I liked the action scenes, but the rest was just "Meh". Seeing the guy who used to play Boone just made me more upset about Blade getting 86'ed.

[The Caped Knight]

Justin said in his interview he get's to kiss her. [so no surprise their.]

[AllThingsComic]

Well it could be that since Green Arrow has a thing for Lois he's not going to use all his strength to fight her off.

I didnt think that was unrealistic.

I'm not saying anything about strength, just the mere fact that they allowed it to happen. He's a well conditioned machine and also why would he put himself in that predicament(sp?) not knowing Clark would be there to get him out of it? The bow is an extension of who he is, it would almost be like someone ripping supermans cape off of him.

[Cmill216]

I'm not saying anything about strength, just the mere fact that they allowed it to happen. He's a well conditioned machine and also why would he put himself in that predicament(sp?) not knowing Clark would be there to get him out of it? The bow is an extension of who he is, it would almost be like someone ripping supermans cape off of him.

Lois was passed out and he let his guard down because...well it was her, and she got the upperhand.

[triplet]

I'm not saying anything about strength, just the mere fact that they allowed it to happen. He's a well conditioned machine and also why would he put himself in that predicament(sp?) not knowing Clark would be there to get him out of it? The bow is an extension of who he is, it would almost be like someone ripping supermans cape off of him.

I think she caught him off-guard... he'd just rescued her, he didn't expect an attack.

[AllThingsComic]

I think she caught him off-guard... he'd just rescued her, he didn't expect an attack.

I guess I should just shut up and enjoy this thing called fantasy? lol. I thought the episode was great, specifically the ending barn speech!

[KalKai]

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1114/arrow34934tt8.gif LOL :D

[Kaboom]

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1114/arrow34934tt8.gif LOL :D

this guy totally reminds me of Bryan Cox

[Brainiac 8]

Kal, do you have one with Green Arrow trying to punch Clark, and the look on his face when Clark caught his fist.:woot:

[Cmill216]

^ I want to see a GIF of that moment when Clark stopped GA from walking past him. I just loved Clark's stance in that scene.

[KalKai]

Kal, do you have one with Green Arrow trying to punch Clark, and the look on his face when Clark caught his fist.:woot:

^ I want to see a GIF of that moment when Clark stopped GA from walking past him. I just loved Clark's stance in that scene.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7803/garrow349234wr9.gif

[blksuperman2]

^ Cool scene.

[Cmill216]

You're the man, Kal. :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Thanks Kal, that scene made me laugh like crazy.:woot:

[The Caped Knight]

Hey Kai

do you have the Gif of Lois Frontpage headline of The Green Arrow [near the end of the episode ]

also The two Lois & Green Arrow scenes [the one at the beginining of the episode & The one of the roof where Lois kicks his ass]

[The Incredible Hulk]

anybody else find it odd that when Lois was unconcious from being "drowned" ollie didnt try to give her mouth to mouth?

do you think there is some kind of rule from TPTB that Lois cannot lip-lock another hero?

hell she may kiss Clark by season's end....

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7803/garrow349234wr9.gif

I loved that scene especially when Ollie called him "Beav" LOL

[Prognosticator]

Lana= served her purpose, time to go!

Lois= know her dad probably taught her some fighting moves, but c'mon, getting Ollies bow awayfrom him like that, really???

He would have HAD to have let her get it b/c Ollie's supposed to have some of the best natural reflexes in the world outside of the metahuman population...aside from Batman and Deathstroke, Naturally.

[Prognosticator]

anybody else find it odd that when Lois was unconcious from being "drowned" ollie didnt try to give her mouth to mouth?

do you think there is some kind of rule from TPTB that Lois cannot lip-lock another hero?

she made out w/Aquaman therefore nullifying this rule last season

[Prognosticator]

She kissed A.C., and she probably will kiss Ollie in the near future.

I hope she doesn't kiss (or worse) with Ollie...I mean, leave a little female chivalry to the woman!

(Even though Ollie likes to steal more than $$$ from women)

[Prognosticator]

This episode may rival some of the best EVER, and is the single best Acted/Written/Scored episode of seasons 4, 5, & 6!

[avidreader]

This episode may rival some of the best EVER, and is the single best Acted/Written/Scored episode of seasons 4, 5, & 6!

Love the avatar.

[AllThingsComic]

He would have HAD to have let her get it b/c Ollie's supposed to have some of the best natural reflexes in the world outside of the metahuman population...aside from Batman and Deathstroke, Naturally.

I guess you're right, I just don't see where Ollie(or the writers for that matter) was going with the rest of the scene had Clark not interfered?

[Prognosticator]

^ Point taken. Coincidences like that are painful to swallow! But I would have to say that it feels like there are different writers on SV this season....

...the scripts resemble actual storytelling.

[avidreader]

I think its more of an ongoing storytelling that they are doing rather than the episodic storytelling that they've done of past.

Which possibly explains why we arent getting as many Clark scenes. There's alot more attention being given to the plots that are being set up.

[AllThingsComic]

I guess we should just sit back and enjoy, the rest of the show was excellent(minus evil Lana)

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Have any of you read Identity Crisis ? I really loved it and thought Green Arrow was really the central character in it and his depiction was really well written in my opinion.

[Mike_D202]

I'm glad Lana is taking the evil turn, that means the show isnt forcing everybody to like her anymore.

[Kaboom]

I'm glad Lana is taking the evil turn, that means the show isnt forcing everybody to like her anymore.

I'm going to keep saying it, i like the MBi :up:

[King Ruler]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.

[Cmill216]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.

A.) I liked the GA voice.

B.) Lois is living in the Talon apartment, I believe.

C.) Alan Ritchson, who played AC in "Aqua", is suppose to be reprising the role.

[Gold Samurai]

I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".



ha that would be funny. It would be a second time that actor would get replaced

[Syncos]

Loved this episode, especially the whole "The Dark Green Knight" thing they've got going on. if they can't have Bats, they're doing a good job of giving Ollie his characteristics, while keeping ollies actual intentions true to character.

few points of 'dark green knight'
- Ollies batman voice as GA
- Ollies ossam glasses.
- When he was standing on the rooftop about to steal the last item, there was definitly a batman-esk score playing
- "How did this green arrow bandit get passed you?" "... he had a lot of gadgets..."

i'm lovin it.

[The Caped Knight]

I agree, it's about time someone told Clark to actually do something with his powers. And it's only right that it was Ollie.

And speaking of Ollie, I thought Green Arrow was done pretty well, but I still just can't get used to Justin as the role of Green Arrow. He is still Orin to me because he handled that well. And GA's "dark and broody" voice kinda bothered me. It sounded like Bale doing Batman. But I kinda got over it.

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).

And Green Arrow using the grappling hook thingy just SCREAMED Batman. It was so cool, and so is the little alliance they're forming. I can't wait for the Junior Lifeguard Association to make their appearance, I just hope they get someone better to play Aquaman instead of the guy they had in "Aqua".

Great eppy. Great story. Great everything. This season really looks promising. I just hope they keep it up.



That's the point Their making up for the fact since Bruce Wayne/BATMAN can't come on as guest star . Their using Oliver Queen as their back up plan to make up for the lost on Bruce Wayne/BATMAN's appearence .

Btw Way you forgot all The BATMAN type music that was in every GA scene .
:o

[avidreader]

I'm going to keep saying it, i like the MBi :up:

Do you like the MBi? :cwink:

I must admit that I like her being proactive, instead of reactive.

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's the point Their making up for the fact since Bruce Wayne/BATMAN can't come on as guest star . Their using Oliver Queen as their back up plan to make up for the lost on Bruce Wayne/BATMAN's appearence .

Btw Way you forgot all The BATMAN type music that was in every GA scene .
:oAs I said before if they really wanted Bruce Wayne they could have just had him there under another name that Bruce used while travling the world. But another hero comes on to the show and gets the SV treatment as well.

[The Caped Knight]

As I said before if they really wanted Bruce Wayne they could have just had him there under another name that Bruce used while travling the world. But another hero comes on to the show and gets the SV treatment as well.

That's true . In BTAS episode "Zatanna" In The Flashback scene with Young Bruce While he was still traveling around the world went under the name of "John Smith" only While staying with Zatara : The Magician .

[ Zatara: The magician was the one who taught him everything their is to knows about escape artistry.] [Bruce also had a short lived relationship with Zatara's gorgeous daughter Zatanna, while thier.]

[Eddie Brock]

Lana= served her purpose, time to go!
THANK YOU

[Kaboom]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

[RakuMon]

I don't know how I feel about Lana's whole threatening bit. It didn't sit too well with me. I might get used to it, who knows? And I like how Lois is becoming the reporter she was meant to be. Now they need to start partnering her up with Jimmy Olsen (and move her out of the Kent's home. Does she still live with them?).


This is from my post earlier today:

"3. Get Lois OUT of the Talon. NOW! Seriously, why is she living at the Talon? Get her an apartment in Metropolis. Have her room w/ Chloe. And you don't even need to build a new set. Just redress the Talon apartment and call it an apartment that overlooks Metropolis. Esp. since Lois is working at the Inquisitor (even if she's only freelancing for now), it only makes sense to get her out of Smallville. Seriously, why did those thugs drive her three hours just to waterboard her? And how did Ollie get their so fast? All these distance inconsistencies can be solved very easily if Lois lived in Metropolis."

[Eddie Brock]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!
Lana = deserves green arrow to the temple (accidental, premeditated, doesn't matter)

[ssj wolverine]

Looking at the episode again in regards to Lex and Lana, I have a new perspective on Lana. Maybe she hasn't crossed to the dark side but she may have realized this was a test all along. If that was the case she is a bigger idiot than I thought. She feels the need to continuously jump through hoops to prove herself to Lex makes her even more pathetic. More than likely there will be a point when she snaps out of it and can't be with Lex anymore goes crawling back to Clark and Clark spits in her face. A guy can dream can't he?

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's true . In BTAS episode "Zatanna" In The Flashback scene with Young Bruce While he was still traveling around the world went under the name of "John Smith" only While staying with Zatara : The Magician .

[ Zatara: The magician was the one who taught him everything their is to knows about escape artistry.] [Bruce also had a short lived relationship with Zatara's gorgeous daughter Zatanna, while thier.]Correct which is why I say you can have Bruce Wayne and not mess things up. Instead of Green Arrow a.k.a Batman in another outfit show up to the Batman theme at that.

[blksuperman2]

- "How did this green arrow bandit get passed you?" "... he had a lot of gadgets..."

i'm lovin it.

Loved that. Where does he get those wonderful toys?

[Dark_Lord]

Awesome episode.

[The Caped Knight]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

For 5 FREAKING season she was the center the damn show [she had so much freaking screen time it wasn't even funny. Almost if not all the Goddamn male of Smallville worshiped the damn ground she walked upon. The Shows freaking Lanaville ENOUGH IS ENOUGH she's had her time.]:cmad: :bomb: :mad:

Now it's time for SUPERMAN [meaning, Lois,Clark,Lex,Metropolis and all things related to Superman] to rise and take over . :woot: :hyper: :wow: :super:

[AgentPat]

LOL@KE8 getting all bent out of shape. :D

We luv ya dood. ;) :p

[Marcus M.]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.



http://www.supermantv.net/fanart/SpittyGunz/alternate_costume.jpg
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4HvLDlFTRQALn2jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=11v1sd3gj/EXP=1161461359/**http%3a//catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/SB001.JPG

Unlocking the Cage
Remember Superman Lives, the film that was supposed to star Nicholas Cage? Do you care? Well, me either. That is until I read a short interview with former Superman Lives concept artist Brian Lawrence at http://www.superman-v.com and I realized just how close we came to seeing this on screen..
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6L.LTlF2CAB9JijzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12s0gg4ml/EXP=1161461630/**http%3a//www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/0311/supermanlives.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4OjLjlF9CkAm6qjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=128pn05sf/EXP=1161461795/**http%3a//img484.imageshack.us/img484/7986/srsb38wm.jpg

http://superman.ws/FanArt/concept.php

[The Caped Knight]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.





I only want to see this suit .
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/smallville_super.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

LOL@KE8 getting all bent out of shape. :D

We luv ya dood. ;) :p

lol Pat thanks . :woot:

[blksuperman2]

If they show Clark as Superman, I hope his costume is as different from the traditional SM comic costume as Smallville's Green arrow costume is as different from the traditional GA comic costume. i would like to see a mostly black SM costume with some red, blue and yellow highlights.
Does anyone agree.



http://www.supermantv.net/fanart/SpittyGunz/alternate_costume.jpg

http://www.catskillcomics.com/frenzOA/SB001.JPG

Unlocking the Cage
Remember Superman Lives, the film that was supposed to star Nicholas Cage? Do you care? Well, me either. That is until I read a short interview with former Superman Lives concept artist Brian Lawrence at http://www.superman-v.com and I realized just how close we came to seeing this on screen..

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/0311/supermanlives.jpg

http://www.img484.imageshack.us/img484/7986/srsb38wm.jpg

http://superman.ws/FanArt/concept.php

No offense. But these are awlful.

[The Sage]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Arrow"

Ollie boma-ye! Ollie boma-ye!

It's all about the Ollie.

Was it me, or was this episode very Batman 1989-ish? With the mystery surrounding Green Arrow and the reveal at the end?

Let's get down to business.

.90 Run? I'd say so.

The Good -

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow. My first thoughts initially from his debut was..."they used the same cheesy vigilante music from that episode with the stupid Huntress ripoff! Hahaha!!" Fortunately I was jumping to conclusions, as that generic Elfman theme was only heard once. I initially thought the shot of Green Arrow ascending up the Luthor Corp looked cheap. Upon second viewing, it looked much better. The debut of the Emerald Archer was handled very well, from his stealing to his one-line quips to his trick arrows.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5168/vlcsnap4056141vz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A very famous staple in his myth, the trick arrows are just as revered as the batarangs. I was hoping to see the boxing glove arrow :D, but no go. Maybe next time.

They also have alluded to Ollie's origin:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4030/vlcsnap4092623ei9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

To my knowledge, Ollie landed on a deserted island after being washed overboard during an ocean cruise. I never read anything about his parents, so can't say whether this is right or not. But it's another great tie-in.

I loved the pacifist/fascist comment, and I hope to hear more about Ollie's political stance since that's one of the things he's known for. He was kinda Batman-ish, though that is to be expected. Crossbow was sweet, the regular bow was borderline ridiculous and almost had me flashing back to some of the crazy utlity belt gimmicks from Batman incarnations. But, it worked. Ollie's a millionnaire, so using he'd have the money to fashion a weapon like his bow. I've got comments on the costume for later. The voice synthesizer...nice touch.

I'm also digging the Green Arrow theme, or whatever gets played when Ollie is on screen. It has a swashbuckling flair to it which suits the character. Being a fan of Robin Hood and Zorro, it pulls my heart a bit.

Lex was smooth this week, and this is two weeks where I have been happy with Lex. His paranoia for Lana is well-warranted considering his last relationship ended with a nasty betrayal.

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was). Ollie seems to be the one who will take Clark on the next step towards heroism, having going out helping people instead of waiting for someone to come to him like he's a private eye. Clark being concerned for Lois dating someone leading a double-life...good. He's experienced the consequences of it with Lana and knows how it will end. More specifically, it sets up the future romance with Lois, as he knows that he has to be completely honest with her in order for the relationship to work. Speaking of metaphors...

Hey, Lana seemed interesting for once. :up:

The double-life metaphor was all over the place. Clark Kent - Smallville farmboy/superpowered alien; Lois Lane - Inquisitor writer/Chief of Staff. Oliver Queen - Boy millionnaire/Robin Hood styled vigilante. Then you have Lana playing Lex and showing new sides to her character. And of course, you have to wonder if Lionel really is leading a double-life himself.

The Bad:

One thing that annoyed me was Clark's reason for entering the investigation: He doesn't want his mother to be in debt to Lionel. Didn't make any sense to me. Lionel gives Martha a necklace to wear for the ball, he loans it to her. It gets stolen. Don't see how she would be in his debt. Just seemed like a forced way for Clark to get involved. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2226/vlcsnap4046878hu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The Queen coat of arms' shot made it way too obvious that it would be important to the story, especially since they hung the camera on it too long. You knew it would get referenced later. Nothing serious.

While Lana being curious about the technology made for interesting development, especially with the intentions of protecting Lex, her blackmailing people? Don't buy it. Felt way out of character for her. I can't imagine her blackmailing anybody. It felt very awkward. And maybe I don't remember, but did she know about the technology in Lex's possession before moving in?

Clark had me rolling my eyes this week. First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct? Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?

Ollie gets defensive when Clark questions Green Arrow's code of honor. Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

Other thoughts:
I also found it funny that Lionel told Clark it's not wise to advertise your vulnerabilities, then later on Clark advertises his powers to Green Arrow. Some neat foreshadowing.

Does it anger Chloe that she's stuck writing obituaries in the basement while her cousin Lois, who is just now doing journalism while Chloe's been doing it since high school, is now writing headlines? Yeah, it's a tabloid, but it's a headline. Then top it off that Lois asks her to help with research. Feel the burn!!

The costume: I thought it looked like something an action figure would wear when basing it off of the stills. Seeing it in action and movement, I think it works great. A modern take on the classic GA/Robin Hood look.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4721/vlcsnap4328292vt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7650/1ga60hf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If I had to nitpick anything, it'd be the gloves and the sunglasses. See above comments about the gloves. I think he should've worn a domino mask. He's Green Arrow, not Blade. And I don't think it would've looked anymore ridiculous. How could the mask stick to his face? Spirit gum. Batman & Robin sucks, but I like how they designed Nightwing's mask. Maybe a dark green mask could've worked. With lenses that have nightvision. Those starlight lenses that are the rage with millionnaire vigilantes. Too campy? Umm, hello, trick arrows?

In his early days, Ollie didn't have a beard. So he used a fake one when he went out as Green Arrow. Wish that was incorporated here. Would've made it even better.

Clark's thinking issues and Lana blackmailing people aside, this was a very good episode, especially because of Hartley's work as Green Arrow. I'm guessing this arc will carry first part of the season, which is great but kinda sad and awkward at the same time.

****1/4 stars for this one.

[KalKai]

Hey Kai

do you have the Gif of Lois Frontpage headline of The Green Arrow [near the end of the episode ]

also The two Lois & Green Arrow scenes [the one at the beginining of the episode & The one of the roof where Lois kicks his ass]
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5417/garrow45585sh6.gif http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/9084/garrow3498243jp2.gif http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2268/garrow05966zj0.gif

[Prognosticator]

Have any of you read Identity Crisis ? I really loved it and thought Green Arrow was really the central character in it and his depiction was really well written in my opinion.

Yeah, a GREAT mini that got me back into the DCU in a big way and also pulled me into buying to GA each month.

[Prognosticator]

LANA =deserves more Screen Time!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaboom=Opinions are less thought of by me now :oldrazz:

[The Caped Knight]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Arrow"

Ollie boma-ye! Ollie boma-ye!

It's all about the Ollie.

Was it me, or was this episode very Batman 1989-ish? With the mystery surrounding Green Arrow and the reveal at the end?

Let's get down to business.

.90 Run? I'd say so.

The Good -

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow. My first thoughts initially from his debut was..."they used the same cheesy vigilante music from that episode with the stupid Huntress ripoff! Hahaha!!" Fortunately I was jumping to conclusions, as that generic Elfman theme was only heard once. I initially thought the shot of Green Arrow ascending up the Luthor Corp looked cheap. Upon second viewing, it looked much better. The debut of the Emerald Archer was handled very well, from his stealing to his one-line quips to his trick arrows.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5168/vlcsnap4056141vz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A very famous staple in his myth, the trick arrows are just as revered as the batarangs. I was hoping to see the boxing glove arrow :D, but no go. Maybe next time.

They also have alluded to Ollie's origin:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4030/vlcsnap4092623ei9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

To my knowledge, Ollie landed on a deserted island after being washed overboard during an ocean cruise. I never read anything about his parents, so can't say whether this is right or not. But it's another great tie-in.

I loved the pacifist/fascist comment, and I hope to hear more about Ollie's political stance since that's one of the things he's known for. He was kinda Batman-ish, though that is to be expected. Crossbow was sweet, the regular bow was borderline ridiculous and almost had me flashing back to some of the crazy utlity belt gimmicks from Batman incarnations. But, it worked. Ollie's a millionnaire, so using he'd have the money to fashion a weapon like his bow. I've got comments on the costume for later. The voice synthesizer...nice touch.

I'm also digging the Green Arrow theme, or whatever gets played when Ollie is on screen. It has a swashbuckling flair to it which suits the character. Being a fan of Robin Hood and Zorro, it pulls my heart a bit.

Lex was smooth this week, and this is two weeks where I have been happy with Lex. His paranoia for Lana is well-warranted considering his last relationship ended with a nasty betrayal.

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was). Ollie seems to be the one who will take Clark on the next step towards heroism, having going out helping people instead of waiting for someone to come to him like he's a private eye. Clark being concerned for Lois dating someone leading a double-life...good. He's experienced the consequences of it with Lana and knows how it will end. More specifically, it sets up the future romance with Lois, as he knows that he has to be completely honest with her in order for the relationship to work. Speaking of metaphors...

Hey, Lana seemed interesting for once. :up:

The double-life metaphor was all over the place. Clark Kent - Smallville farmboy/superpowered alien; Lois Lane - Inquisitor writer/Chief of Staff. Oliver Queen - Boy millionnaire/Robin Hood styled vigilante. Then you have Lana playing Lex and showing new sides to her character. And of course, you have to wonder if Lionel really is leading a double-life himself.

The Bad:

One thing that annoyed me was Clark's reason for entering the investigation: He doesn't want his mother to be in debt to Lionel. Didn't make any sense to me. Lionel gives Martha a necklace to wear for the ball, he loans it to her. It gets stolen. Don't see how she would be in his debt. Just seemed like a forced way for Clark to get involved. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.

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The Queen coat of arms' shot made it way too obvious that it would be important to the story, especially since they hung the camera on it too long. You knew it would get referenced later. Nothing serious.

While Lana being curious about the technology made for interesting development, especially with the intentions of protecting Lex, her blackmailing people? Don't buy it. Felt way out of character for her. I can't imagine her blackmailing anybody. It felt very awkward. And maybe I don't remember, but did she know about the technology in Lex's possession before moving in?

Clark had me rolling my eyes this week. First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct? Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?

Ollie gets defensive when Clark questions Green Arrow's code of honor. Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

Other thoughts:
I also found it funny that Lionel told Clark it's not wise to advertise your vulnerabilities, then later on Clark advertises his powers to Green Arrow. Some neat foreshadowing.

Does it anger Chloe that she's stuck writing obituaries in the basement while her cousin Lois, who is just now doing journalism while Chloe's been doing it since high school, is now writing headlines? Yeah, it's a tabloid, but it's a headline. Then top it off that Lois asks her to help with research. Feel the burn!!

The costume: I thought it looked like something an action figure would wear when basing it off of the stills. Seeing it in action and movement, I think it works great. A modern take on the classic GA/Robin Hood look.

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If I had to nitpick anything, it'd be the gloves and the sunglasses. See above comments about the gloves. I think he should've worn a domino mask. He's Green Arrow, not Blade. And I don't think it would've looked anymore ridiculous. How could the mask stick to his face? Spirit gum. Batman & Robin sucks, but I like how they designed Nightwing's mask. Maybe a dark green mask could've worked. With lenses that have nightvision. Those starlight lenses that are the rage with millionnaire vigilantes. Too campy? Umm, hello, trick arrows?

In his early days, Ollie didn't have a beard. So he used a fake one when he went out as Green Arrow. Wish that was incorporated here. Would've made it even better.

Clark's thinking issues and Lana blackmailing people aside, this was a very good episode, especially because of Hartley's work as Green Arrow. I'm guessing this arc will carry first part of the season, which is great but kinda sad and awkward at the same time.

****1/4 stars for this one.

Impressive review Sage I agree with all of your points In[]Bold[]

[The Caped Knight]

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Thanks Kai

Ah Lois :woot: :hyper: :woot: :heart:

[Serene]

We luv ya dood. ;) :p
Speak for yourself, babe. ;)
The amusement factor wore out many posts ago for me.

[KalKai]

First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct?

Again..

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10370097&postcount=624

[blksuperman2]

Again..

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10370097&postcount=624

Cool. How'd you do that? That little trick would really come in handy.

[avidreader]

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was).

I dont understand why Clark's view on right or wrong is blurred. I always understood that Clark/Superman didnt see himself as Judge, Jury and Executioner.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

If he sees something as wrong, like Ollie stealing, he'll see to it that the crime is discovered.

If Lionel has committed a crime by stealing in the first place, then that crime will take its punishment as its discovered.

Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?


I always think people take this tossing and throwing stuff way out of context. Its an action show and they are mostly just playing the gag more so than somebody trying to inflict harm or worry about being discovered.

Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?


I dont think he was shocked that he forgot all else. I think it just surprised him that "rich" people would resort to that kind of theft. Clark is and always has been a little naive when it comes to what people are actually capable of doing.

[Serene]

Again..

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10370097&postcount=624


I beg to differ just a little bit.
Remember in Red, when Clark used his vision to look through Chloe and Lana's clothes? So, he must have some ability to control the, uh..depth of penetration.

*cough*

[The Sage]

Again..

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10370097&postcount=624

I disagree. If he could do it the first time he used the ability, then there's no reason why he can't do it now. What is it, he's lost the ability to focus the ability like that? If you learn how to walk, do you forget how to crawl?

And don't hand me that it's called "X-ray vision", not "See-thru vision" stuff. The reason it's called x-ray vision in the first place is because he can see through things.

[blksuperman2]

I disagree. If he could do it the first time he used the ability, then there's no reason why he can't do it now. What is it, he's lost the ability to focus the ability like that? If you learn how to walk, do you forget how to crawl?

And don't hand me that it's called "X-ray vision", not "See-thru vision" stuff. The reason it's called x-ray vision in the first place is because he can see through things.

Well the writers see a difference. They used it because that was the status quo for Superman. They have said that they didn't like him seeing thru things. That's why you won't see it again.

[The Sage]

I dont understand why Clark's view on right or wrong is blurred. I always understood that Clark/Superman didnt see himself as Judge, Jury and Executioner.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

If he sees something as wrong, like Ollie stealing, he'll see to it that the crime is discovered.

If Lionel has committed a crime by stealing in the first place, then that crime will take its punishment as its discovered.


It's like Ollie said, the end justifies the means. I'm thinking Clark knows the method is wrong, but the reasons behind it were right.


I always think people take this tossing and throwing stuff way out of context. Its an action show and they are mostly just playing the gag more so than somebody trying to inflict harm or worry about being discovered.


It's a gag that's getting worn out. Especially in places like a museum. I can understand if it's outside, but very public places with possible video cameras, I can't. Plus Green Arrow provided the action by saving Lois, and Clark used his heat vision and kept himself concealed. I can understand Clark tossing guys from season one to season three. Not too much right now.


I dont think he was shocked that he forgot all else. I think it just surprised him that "rich" people would resort to that kind of theft. Clark is and always has been a little naive when it comes to what people are actually capable of doing.

Can't disagree there.:yay:

[The Sage]

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[The Sage]

Well the writers see a difference. They used it because that was the status quo for Superman. They have said that they didn't like him seeing thru things. That's why you won't see it again.

That's kinda silly. If they don't want him seeing through things, then why use x-ray vision at all?

[KalKai]

I beg to differ just a little bit.
Remember in Red, when Clark used his vision to look through Chloe and Lana's clothes? So, he must have some ability to control the, uh..depth of penetration.

*cough*

Did WE get to see it? No.

I disagree. If he could do it the first time he used the ability, then there's no reason why he can't do it now. What is it, he's lost the ability to focus the ability like that? If you learn how to walk, do you forget how to crawl?

Maybe because they decided to keep it exclusively to X-RAY vision? I must have heard them saying it somewhere, if he could it again, we would have seen it more often, but we don't, it's been 5 years.

[The Sage]

Maybe because they decided to keep it exclusively to X-RAY vision? I must have heard them saying it somewhere, if he could it again, we would have seen it more often, but we don't, it's been 5 years.

But why can't Clark do it again?

[avidreader]

It's like Ollie said, the end justifies the means. I'm thinking Clark knows the method is wrong, but the reasons behind it were right.

But didnt Clark say I'll never think like that. Or words to that effect.



It's a gag that's getting worn out. Especially in places like a museum. I can understand if it's outside, but very public places with possible video cameras, I can't. Plus Green Arrow provided the action by saving Lois, and Clark used his heat vision and kept himself concealed. I can understand Clark tossing guys from season one to season three. Not too much right now.

Well its a stunt that the show uses and always has and probably always will.

And in any case I thought they were in the guy's home. Not everyone desires to have security cameras to peep on their girlfriends getting undressed. :cwink:

[Serene]

Did WE get to see it? No.
Only in fanart. :)

Of course they wouldn't show us that, but they clearly showed that Clark was able to see beneath peoples clothing if he chose to do so.

[blksuperman2]

Did WE get to see it? No.



Maybe because they decided to keep it exclusively to X-RAY vision? I must have heard them saying it somewhere, if he could it again, we would have seen it more often, but we don't, it's been 5 years.

I can't remember where I heard them say that either. I believe it was on either the Season 2 or 3 featurettes. I'll have to pop em in real quick.

[The Sage]

But didnt Clark say I'll never think like that. Or words to that effect.





Well its a stunt that the show uses and always has and probably always will.

And in any case I thought they were in the guy's home. Not everyone desires to have security cameras to peep on their girlfriends getting undressed. :cwink:

LOL!!!! :up:

[KalKai]

I can't remember where I heard them say that either. I believe it was on either the Season 2 or 3 featurettes. I'll have to pop em in real quick.

I think it was in 1 of the documentaries, The Science of Superman or Look Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman.

[blksuperman2]

I think it was in 1 of the documentaries, The Science of Superman or Look Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman.

I found it. Season 2. Disc 6. Faster Than a Speeding Bullet: The Visual FX of Smallville:

[KalKai]

I got that, let me see, lol.

That's it.

[Kaboom]

Kaboom=Opinions are less thought of by me now :oldrazz:

kaboom could not care less who thinks what of his opinions.

Vive la resistance!

[The Spawn]

He lacked skill in the sense that the comic book version would have made all those shots sans the eye-tech this guy wore in the show.

[The Spawn]

This thread gained a load of pages....

[greenlantern248]

Does anyone know where I can download this episode, I was working thursday so I missed it.

Thanks

[Batgort]

CW is airing Smallville re-run from the Thursday airing on Sunday nights, so catch it then.

We don't download episodes around here, we support our favorite show by purchasing the DVDs.

[greenlantern248]

Thanks, and I do purchase the dvd I have all the seasons

[user123456789]

Thanks, and I do purchase the dvd I have all the seasons
torrents

[Arach Knight]

Torrents? Pfff...what are you people doing...living in 2004? Youtube exists for a reason :P

[Venomfan]

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?
its a type of glove archers use, it helps A LOT
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[The Sage]

its a type of glove archers use, it helps A LOT
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Aren't there other gloves that fit the entire hand that can work? Leaving a few fingers exposed doesn't work for a guy who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, IMO.

[user123456789]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Arrow"

Ollie boma-ye! Ollie boma-ye!

It's all about the Ollie.

Was it me, or was this episode very Batman 1989-ish? With the mystery surrounding Green Arrow and the reveal at the end?

Let's get down to business.

.90 Run? I'd say so.

The Good -

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow. My first thoughts initially from his debut was..."they used the same cheesy vigilante music from that episode with the stupid Huntress ripoff! Hahaha!!" Fortunately I was jumping to conclusions, as that generic Elfman theme was only heard once. I initially thought the shot of Green Arrow ascending up the Luthor Corp looked cheap. Upon second viewing, it looked much better. The debut of the Emerald Archer was handled very well, from his stealing to his one-line quips to his trick arrows.

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A very famous staple in his myth, the trick arrows are just as revered as the batarangs. I was hoping to see the boxing glove arrow :D, but no go. Maybe next time.

They also have alluded to Ollie's origin:
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To my knowledge, Ollie landed on a deserted island after being washed overboard during an ocean cruise. I never read anything about his parents, so can't say whether this is right or not. But it's another great tie-in.

I loved the pacifist/fascist comment, and I hope to hear more about Ollie's political stance since that's one of the things he's known for. He was kinda Batman-ish, though that is to be expected. Crossbow was sweet, the regular bow was borderline ridiculous and almost had me flashing back to some of the crazy utlity belt gimmicks from Batman incarnations. But, it worked. Ollie's a millionnaire, so using he'd have the money to fashion a weapon like his bow. I've got comments on the costume for later. The voice synthesizer...nice touch.

I'm also digging the Green Arrow theme, or whatever gets played when Ollie is on screen. It has a swashbuckling flair to it which suits the character. Being a fan of Robin Hood and Zorro, it pulls my heart a bit.

Lex was smooth this week, and this is two weeks where I have been happy with Lex. His paranoia for Lana is well-warranted considering his last relationship ended with a nasty betrayal.

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was). Ollie seems to be the one who will take Clark on the next step towards heroism, having going out helping people instead of waiting for someone to come to him like he's a private eye. Clark being concerned for Lois dating someone leading a double-life...good. He's experienced the consequences of it with Lana and knows how it will end. More specifically, it sets up the future romance with Lois, as he knows that he has to be completely honest with her in order for the relationship to work. Speaking of metaphors...

Hey, Lana seemed interesting for once. :up:

The double-life metaphor was all over the place. Clark Kent - Smallville farmboy/superpowered alien; Lois Lane - Inquisitor writer/Chief of Staff. Oliver Queen - Boy millionnaire/Robin Hood styled vigilante. Then you have Lana playing Lex and showing new sides to her character. And of course, you have to wonder if Lionel really is leading a double-life himself.

The Bad:

One thing that annoyed me was Clark's reason for entering the investigation: He doesn't want his mother to be in debt to Lionel. Didn't make any sense to me. Lionel gives Martha a necklace to wear for the ball, he loans it to her. It gets stolen. Don't see how she would be in his debt. Just seemed like a forced way for Clark to get involved. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.

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The Queen coat of arms' shot made it way too obvious that it would be important to the story, especially since they hung the camera on it too long. You knew it would get referenced later. Nothing serious.

While Lana being curious about the technology made for interesting development, especially with the intentions of protecting Lex, her blackmailing people? Don't buy it. Felt way out of character for her. I can't imagine her blackmailing anybody. It felt very awkward. And maybe I don't remember, but did she know about the technology in Lex's possession before moving in?

Clark had me rolling my eyes this week. First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct? Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?

Ollie gets defensive when Clark questions Green Arrow's code of honor. Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

Other thoughts:
I also found it funny that Lionel told Clark it's not wise to advertise your vulnerabilities, then later on Clark advertises his powers to Green Arrow. Some neat foreshadowing.

Does it anger Chloe that she's stuck writing obituaries in the basement while her cousin Lois, who is just now doing journalism while Chloe's been doing it since high school, is now writing headlines? Yeah, it's a tabloid, but it's a headline. Then top it off that Lois asks her to help with research. Feel the burn!!

The costume: I thought it looked like something an action figure would wear when basing it off of the stills. Seeing it in action and movement, I think it works great. A modern take on the classic GA/Robin Hood look.

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If I had to nitpick anything, it'd be the gloves and the sunglasses. See above comments about the gloves. I think he should've worn a domino mask. He's Green Arrow, not Blade. And I don't think it would've looked anymore ridiculous. How could the mask stick to his face? Spirit gum. Batman & Robin sucks, but I like how they designed Nightwing's mask. Maybe a dark green mask could've worked. With lenses that have nightvision. Those starlight lenses that are the rage with millionnaire vigilantes. Too campy? Umm, hello, trick arrows?

In his early days, Ollie didn't have a beard. So he used a fake one when he went out as Green Arrow. Wish that was incorporated here. Would've made it even better.

Clark's thinking issues and Lana blackmailing people aside, this was a very good episode, especially because of Hartley's work as Green Arrow. I'm guessing this arc will carry first part of the season, which is great but kinda sad and awkward at the same time.

****1/4 stars for this one.
AWESOME review!

[user123456789]

"Let's take off those glasses....."

-Lois Lane

AHAHAHAH!!!!!111 classic superman!!!!!

[The Caped Knight]

"Let's take off those glasses....."

-Lois Lane

AHAHAHAH!!!!!111 classic superman!!!!!

Indeed :woot: :super:

[Brainiac 8]

I loved how the episode showed Lois' knack for naming Superheroes.:woot:

[dark_b]

why does clark have brown hair?

[The Batman]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.

[celldog]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.


No he's not. Batman would never steal from the rich.

But if you know GA history, he's really a copy of Batman. Arrow cave, Arrow car etc..........

[avidreader]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.

They ARE NOT allowed to. Batman and any of his aliases are off limits.

Dont you guys think that if they could get Batman they would in a heartbeat? Tom Welling has even been begging for it, but TPTB wont give it to them.

We got Green Arrow with some Batman traits thrown in to keep the fans happy and if you're not happy then you'll just have to get over it.

:cmad: :yay: :cmad:

[AgentPat]

Regarding Clark showing off his abilities to Oliver in the museum, he had just caught Queen's arrow in mid flight and stopped Ollie's useless girlyman attempt to clock him to the floor with a thrown fist. Green Arrow doesn't have any superpowers, so punching Clark is like punching a brick wall. Probably hurts more, too LOL. The 30 ft. chuck just capped it off, not to mention the fact that such a gag is a SV staple. I also think it's logical to assume Oliver disabled any cameras before he entered the room. He casually reset the laser motion detectors, so any cameras would have been a no-brainer.

Contrary to popular opinion, Clark isn't dumb LOL, but it's no secret that he thinks with his physicality first before intellect. I always get a chuckle from Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor in S:TM when he says, brains over muscle, or something to that effect. Batman in the comics is the same way to Superman.

SV's Clark is true to Superman form when it comes to the "I'm not here to play games" 'tude. He's an immovable object and he knows it, but stopping somebody without hurting them is difficult. So when somebody continues to push Clark's buttons, he tosses them around like a rag doll. In the Smallville-verse, the Kryptonian super chuck stops all non-superpowered villains without killing them. It's a cliché that works - whether Lexod does it to Lionel, Alien Barbie does it to Lana, or Eric Summers does it to Clark.

Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

[The Batman]

No he's not. Batman would never steal from the rich.

But if you know GA history, he's really a copy of Batman. Arrow cave, Arrow car etc..........


Yes...he kind of is too much like batman.

And guess what? That was the golden age. You know what happened after that? Green Arrow actually became his own character.

How about that?

[The Question]

Aren't there other gloves that fit the entire hand that can work? Leaving a few fingers exposed doesn't work for a guy who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, IMO.

Archery requires a good deal of finger dexterity. You want some fingers covered so you don't injure yoruself, but others exposed so you can handle it delecately.

[blksuperman2]

Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

I really thought that they were going to delve into that more. That was my first thought when Martha's necklace was stollen. I figured he was just trying to get Clark's attention. Maybe to test his resolve. But then when they met face to face. He looked really shocked at how he couldn't stun him with the electro arrow or knock him out.

[The Sage]

Archery requires a good deal of finger dexterity. You want some fingers covered so you don't injure yoruself, but others exposed so you can handle it delecately.

Understood, but for a guy who goes around acting like Robin Hood with the stealing from the rich thing, aren't there other alternative gloves he could use? Have fingers exposed could leave behind fingerprints. That's all I'm saying.

[The Sage]

Yes...he kind of is too much like batman.

And guess what? That was the golden age. You know what happened after that? Green Arrow actually became his own character.

How about that?

Agreed. Though this GA is an amalgamation of Olliver Queen and Bruce Wayne. I even have a hunch that Ollie's motivation for becoming Green Arrow is tied into his parents' drowning instead of doing it to rebel against his responsibilities. No complaints really, as long as that's the extent of it.

[avidreader]

Understood, but for a guy who goes around acting like Robin Hood with the stealing from the rich thing, aren't there other alternative gloves he could use? Have fingers exposed could leave behind fingerprints. That's all I'm saying.

Why is it so hard to assume that he wipes away his fingerprints from whatever he steals. Do they have to show you every minute little detail?

[The Sage]

Regarding Clark showing off his abilities to Oliver in the museum, he had just caught Queen's arrow in mid flight and stopped Ollie's useless girlyman attempt to clock him to the floor with a thrown fist. Green Arrow doesn't have any superpowers, so punching Clark is like punching a brick wall. Probably hurts more, too LOL. The 30 ft. chuck just capped it off, not to mention the fact that such a gag is a SV staple. I also think it's logical to assume Oliver disabled any cameras before he entered the room. He casually reset the laser motion detectors, so any cameras would have been a no-brainer.


Except that it wouldn't really matter if the cameras caught him or not. Ollie was dressed as Green Arrow so they couldn't get a shot of him anyway. And Clark chucking guys in very public places like museums is silly. I can understand when it's abandoned buildings like in Run, but in museums, no. It's too risky. And in the sixth season, I would think Clark would come to terms with that. Also, Clark threw Ollie before any arrows were shot at him, so Clark made the first move and revealed his powers


Contrary to popular opinion, Clark isn't dumb LOL, but it's no secret that he thinks with his physicality first before intellect. I always get a chuckle from Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor in S:TM when he says, brains over muscle, or something to that effect. Batman in the comics is the same way to Superman.


SV's Clark is true to Superman form when it comes to the "I'm not here to play games" 'tude. He's an immovable object and he knows it, but stopping somebody without hurting them is difficult. So when somebody continues to push Clark's buttons, he tosses them around like a rag doll. In the Smallville-verse, the Kryptonian super chuck stops all non-superpowered villains without killing them. It's a cliché that works - whether Lexod does it to Lionel, Alien Barbie does it to Lana, or Eric Summers does it to Clark.


Clark showing off his abilities to someone who didn't know he had abilities comes off as stupid IMO. It's understandable if he didn't have a choice like in Rogue, but here he did have the choice.


Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

Nice of Clark to let Ollie know it was him who had the abilities. Yep. Mhmm.

[The Sage]

Why is it so hard to assume that he wipes away his fingerprints from whatever he steals. Do they have to show you every minute little detail?

Heh, I honestly doubt he wiped his fingerprints while moving. That's too many fingerprints to be wiping away.

[avidreader]

Heh, I honestly doubt he wiped his fingerprints while moving. That's too many fingerprints to be wiping away.

It was only the item that he stole that would have had fingerprints. Everything else was dismantled with his arrows. So I dont see what fingerprints he would have left.

Ya know though, its not CSI, they really arent telling their story in that fashion.