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Superman, in his greatest adventure yet...the quest for peace!
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Original Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQerGl6XpSE&search=superman%20IV
Behind the Scenes Footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIaEBXWqzE&search=superman%20IV
Interview with Christopher Reeve on Supes IV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78-83QCdnMA&search=superman%20IV
Interview with Kidder on Supes IV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk10q-htoVQ&search=superman%20IV
Information on the Movie: http://supermancinema.co.uk/superman4/index.htm
This threads devoted to talking about Superman IV. Anything you liked or disliked. Plus this is a great place to talk about all the deleted material, like Nuclear Man One, which hopefully we'll see on the DVD.
Superman Prime
07-19-2006, 01:38 AM
I can't help but feel for Christopher Reeve. His intentions were good. But in the end, didn't play out.
KaptainKrypton
07-19-2006, 04:01 AM
I can't help but feel for Christopher Reeve. His intentions were good. But in the end, didn't play out.
Blame it on Menahem Golan and Yoram Globus. They should be condemned to the seventh level of Hades for what they did. Reeve was looking to extend the series and breath fresh life into it...they were looking for a follow-up hit to Iron Eagle.
lordofthenerds
07-19-2006, 11:47 AM
Worst. CB Movie. Ever.
Dr. Fate
07-19-2006, 12:53 PM
I can't help but feel for Christopher Reeve. His intentions were good. But in the end, didn't play out.
I also appreciate his attempts to bring a more serious idea into the Superman canon with Supes tackling the nuclear warfare issue; it could have made for a fascinating film, but the film was killed by a non-existant budget. I appreciate it that he stuck with the series to the bitter end, even though he must have been kicking himself in the ass off camera the whole time with 3 and 4.
The fights between Superman and Nuclear Man, though cheap and shoddy, are among my guiltiest guilty pleasures.
I can't help but feel for Christopher Reeve. His intentions were good. But in the end, didn't play out.
I agree, there are some good lines that Supes gives, but the story goes no where. Supes intervening in human affairs is a good idea, and one as serious as the nuclear arms race makes it interesting, yet the plot was second to Luthor making Nuclear man, a cheap device I may add.
Still I love the line Supes gives at the very end, the last line by Reeves as Supes, "See you in twenty Luthor", and 20 years later, after Reeves said that (the movie was filmed in 1986, released in 1987) Superman Returns is released.
Stevens25
07-20-2006, 12:25 AM
Personally,the film was bad but it reminds me of my childhood so I like it for sentimental reasons.
Mr. Walters
07-20-2006, 02:25 AM
You know, I like it better than Superman Returns. So there's that...
Kevin Roegele
07-20-2006, 08:17 AM
It's almost not fair to pick on Supes IV - it had the budget cut in half at the last minute, meaning the crew had to try and create the same ammount of effects with half the cash. If they knew earlie aboutthe budget cut, they could have changed the script and had half the effects, thereby having less action but better quality action when it occurs. Having said that, the effects in Lois & Clark are just as poor as Superman IV, and that's a TV show.
And then, of course, the movie was rushed out without even being finished-! So you have lame special effects that are not even finished.
Add to this, the movie is gutted, like Daredevil, a 2 hour movie whittled down to 90 minutes, and it stands no chance.
I don't believe any movie would stand up to these huge setbacks. Superman IV is half a movie.
Kevin Roegele
07-20-2006, 08:26 AM
Just found this picture, must be a deleted shot - Suprman never punches Nuclear Man, does he?
http://supermanjaviolivares.iespana.es/s4fightmoon.jpg
http://posters.up.online.fr/posters/img/superman_4.jpg
^uh.. dude, how can you not remember Superman fighting Nuclear Man?? yes he did punch him and kick him and all that ****.
and Nuclear Man scratch'd Superman's back or something, which made him ill. and he lost his cape at the foot of the statue of liberty. and lois found the cape and left it at Clark kent's doorstep, and somehow it re-energizes Superman to comeback and fight another day.
and aside from all that ****, it had the worst special effects of all superman movies. and Nuclear Man just suck'd. with his bad 80's hair and wrestler look. plus Christopher Reeve was looking way too old and fat.
Kevin Roegele
07-20-2006, 03:57 PM
^uh.. dude, how can you not remember Superman fighting Nuclear Man?? yes he did punch him and kick him and all that ****.
LOL, dude, watch the actual movie. Superman never punches Nuclear Man.
added some links at the top, trailer, info, interviews etc.
KaptainKrypton
07-22-2006, 12:18 AM
LOL, dude, watch the actual movie. Superman never punches Nuclear Man.
He gives him one hell of a knee strike to the snout, though. One of my all time favorites...in any movie.:up:
Kevin Roegele
07-22-2006, 09:40 AM
He gives him one hell of a knee strike to the snout, though. One of my all time favorites...in any movie.:up:
LOL, it's so awkward and fake, though.
The Nuclear Man/Superman fight is possibly the least convincing in any so-called 'professional' movie....it's like amateur hour. Did they even have choreographers?
mcflytrap
07-24-2006, 07:32 PM
^uh.. dude, how can you not remember Superman fighting Nuclear Man?? yes he did punch him and kick him and all that ****.
and Nuclear Man scratch'd Superman's back or something, which made him ill. and he lost his cape at the foot of the statue of liberty. and lois found the cape and left it at Clark kent's doorstep, and somehow it re-energizes Superman to comeback and fight another day.
and aside from all that ****, it had the worst special effects of all superman movies. and Nuclear Man just suck'd. with his bad 80's hair and wrestler look. plus Christopher Reeve was looking way too old and fat.
Huh? How the hell was Chris Reeve looking old and fat?? Did you watch the same movie I did?
The Reverend
07-26-2006, 02:10 AM
this is the best of the superman movies, easily!
KaptainKrypton
07-26-2006, 03:55 AM
LOL, it's so awkward and fake, though.
The Nuclear Man/Superman fight is possibly the least convincing in any so-called 'professional' movie....it's like amateur hour. Did they even have choreographers?
Upon watching it and seeing the photo of Superman above, I believe the scene appeared disjointed because part of the fight was trimmed and the cut was bad. I personally liked the simplicity of the fight and just like the rest of the movie, editing and FX work could help it. But then again, what's there is there, sadly.
Kevin Roegele
07-26-2006, 08:51 AM
Upon watching it and seeing the photo of Superman above, I believe the scene appeared disjointed because part of the fight was trimmed and the cut was bad. I personally liked the simplicity of the fight and just like the rest of the movie, editing and FX work could help it. But then again, what's there is there, sadly.
The editing messes up the fight, sure, but the actual footage itself is awful. It's just so laboured, so unconvincing. I mean, I'm not asking for Casshern action from a 1987 release, but IV was seven years after Superman II, and the action in that film blows away Superman IV.
Look at the scene where Nuclear Man 'pounds' Superman into a hole. Reeve seems to be standing on a platform, which he slips off momentarily and then corrects himself. Woeful.
.....and then I saw this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw1PFuPHVfI&search=supersonic%20man
Superman: Idols
07-26-2006, 01:07 PM
In the Reev interview, he says that Superman speaks Chinese in the film. Was that cut?
Dr. Fate
07-26-2006, 02:21 PM
Just found this picture, must be a deleted shot - Suprman never punches Nuclear Man, does he?
http://supermanjaviolivares.iespana.es/s4fightmoon.jpg
http://posters.up.online.fr/posters/img/superman_4.jpg
Probably a cut shot.
Kevin Roegele
07-26-2006, 06:20 PM
In the Reev interview, he says that Superman speaks Chinese in the film. Was that cut?
Yeah, from the Great Wall of China scene. Of course, you can't mention that scene without pouring scorn on the terrible 'Great Wall of China-vision' sequence.
Bruce_Wayne29
07-26-2006, 06:49 PM
I thought it had some good scenes but overall it was poorly developed and it has really bad special effects on 90% of the movie. But it still is one of my guilty pleasures.
Dr. Fate
07-27-2006, 04:18 PM
Huh? How the hell was Chris Reeve looking old and fat?? Did you watch the same movie I did?
Reeve was only like 34/35 when he made that film. He hardly looked old or fat, if anything he was closer to Superman's true age than he had been in the beginning. I thought Reeve's physique looked pretty much the same throughout all four films, keeping in mind that he was never as large as a Schwarzenegger.
Spoarz™
07-27-2006, 04:32 PM
.....and then I saw this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw1PFuPHVfI&search=supersonic%20man
WTF! :eek: That was so very, very s**t. Please tell me that was a joke.
XCharlieX
07-27-2006, 04:36 PM
I havent seen this film since the WB aired a marathon in the early 90s lol Cant recall too much just vaguely.
I dont even have a pov on superman 3 and 4 for this reason.
ReeveFan1978
07-27-2006, 08:11 PM
HI
I recently rewatched this after a ten year absence and it was better than I remembered. It had some awful moments--especially the special effects. But there were some great moments. The speech in the UN..and the confusion of Clark being like by the Stacy woman..just some good stuff but overall, it did look choppy and pieced together. Definitely the worst of the 4. But still, after seeing Superman returns, and having a bunch of things I didnt like in that one, (although it had good moments I enjoyed) I was more tolerant of Chris 3 and 4.
Go figure.
EL
Kevin Roegele
07-27-2006, 08:33 PM
WTF! :eek: That was so very, very s**t. Please tell me that was a joke.
My friend, I only wish I could.
KaptainKrypton
07-28-2006, 12:02 AM
The editing messes up the fight, sure, but the actual footage itself is awful. It's just so laboured, so unconvincing. I mean, I'm not asking for Casshern action from a 1987 release, but IV was seven years after Superman II, and the action in that film blows away Superman IV.
Look at the scene where Nuclear Man 'pounds' Superman into a hole. Reeve seems to be standing on a platform, which he slips off momentarily and then corrects himself. Woeful.
.....and then I saw this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw1PFuPHVfI&search=supersonic%20man
To me, the editor John Shirley is beyond retarted. The same could go for Supergirl's editor. They knowingly put some of the dumbest (but fixable) mistakes I've ever seen in editing in the films. It's the same with Superman III. There are plenty of FX shots in that film that don't even need to be replaced or repaired, but rather just removed. I love these movies because I'm a Superman freak and I was raised on them, but it pains me to no end. I'm actually thinking about getting into PC based video editing stuff, to that I could actually make the cuts I discuss here and at Superman Cinema on a regular basis. It's too bad I'm "computer-retarted" or I'd be doing the stuff already.
Dr. Fate
07-28-2006, 09:13 AM
HI
I recently rewatched this after a ten year absence and it was better than I remembered. It had some awful moments--especially the special effects. But there were some great moments. The speech in the UN..and the confusion of Clark being like by the Stacy woman..just some good stuff but overall, it did look choppy and pieced together. Definitely the worst of the 4. But still, after seeing Superman returns, and having a bunch of things I didnt like in that one, (although it had good moments I enjoyed) I was more tolerant of Chris 3 and 4.
Go figure.
EL
I liked the scene where Superman went to talk with the ghosts of Krypton's elders in his Fortress of Solitude, and I liked the shot where he was on the moon and he straightens the American flag. Even though it's a horrible set, for a moment there, the look of genuine pride on the late Chris Reeve's face as he stares at the flag before Nuclear Man jumps him, I think that's one of his finest moments as Superman.
Of course, if Superman 4 were being made now, they'd probably have Supes taking the nukes away from the world against the will of the world because that would probably go down as "darker and more believable", etc.
BTW, do we have an official thread for Superman 3?
captain_jimbo
07-28-2006, 02:38 PM
I know Superman III and IV have their bad points, but I still really like them, because every single scene with Christopher Reeve is worth watching, just for his performance. I still think he comes off with credit.
the worst effects were the stock footage of Superman flying straight forward.
cheapest looking **** ever.
plus some things i noticed in the film that were odd was how Nuclear Man would pick up that huge moon rock, and sand would flow off of it like there was gravity.
speaking of gravity, also how about when Superman was twirling the net of nuclear bombs in space to create momentum before tossing it to the sun. i don't know, that just seemed weird and unnecessary.
Jon Cryer was awful! he was such an annoying idiot in it.
captain_jimbo
07-30-2006, 04:59 AM
The whole problem with Superman IV began when the Salkinds decided to sell the rights to Golan and Globus, who were well renowned for making cheap movies. It was doomed to fail before it even began.
The Reverend
07-30-2006, 06:24 AM
But is Superman IV really that bad Jimbo, considering you have a quote from the film in your sig...:o
Spoarz™
07-30-2006, 07:25 AM
I know for a fact (as he is standing right next to me) that Jimbo loves Superman IV thanks to the wonderful performance given by Christopher Reeve, it is just letdown by terrible editing and subpar special effects. :supes:
Dr. Fate
07-30-2006, 12:01 PM
I know for a fact (as he is standing right next to me) that Jimbo loves Superman IV thanks to the wonderful performance given by Christopher Reeve, it is just letdown by terrible editing and subpar special effects. :supes:
Something like that.
KaptainKrypton
07-30-2006, 11:16 PM
the worst effects were the stock footage of Superman flying straight forward.
cheapest looking **** ever.
plus some things i noticed in the film that were odd was how Nuclear Man would pick up that huge moon rock, and sand would flow off of it like there was gravity.
speaking of gravity, also how about when Superman was twirling the net of nuclear bombs in space to create momentum before tossing it to the sun. i don't know, that just seemed weird and unnecessary.
Jon Cryer was awful! he was such an annoying idiot in it.
Of course it was cheap. They actually used the same FX shots of Reeve and just substituted different backgrounds in numerous scenes of the 90 min. version. There are a couple of scenes where they re-use background plates from Supergirl. Cheap as it gets.
Technically, there is gravity on the moon. It's an orbiting satellite of Earth that has around 1/3 the gravity of Earth. This is why they shot the fight scene with an increased frame-rate and some slow-mo. During the sequence where Nuke is shooting energy blasts at Superman and Supes is getting hit, he kind of skips across the ground to show that when he's knocked backward and incapacitated and can't control his flight, he does succumb to the reduced gravity. Then Jon Cryer's mission was accomplished. The only thing that ruins this scene for me is that the background curtain at Elstree Studios is present in some of the shots, and the wires from the flying rigs are easily viewable numerous times. And some of the editing needs to be restructured.
The whole scene with the missile bag should be cut. It was cheaper for them to do that then to show him individually throw a bunch of missiles into the sun. In the comic adaption, this is how he disposes of the missiles. Not his Super Missile Tote.
oh and i just remembered, the flying scene with Lois is very unromantic. the special effects were so bad. cheapest backgrounds. and then Superman even throws her like he was teasing her. it was so awful.
the story itself wasn't bad. it was a nice message to the world. plus it really was a cool idea to have Superman step up and rid the world of nuclear missiles to save the world. i liked his speech infront of the UN.
but i hated that little kid who wrote the letter to Superman. that kid's voice was gawdawful, plus he seemed like such an *******.
i think it was really cool how Superman was talking in different languages, in the movie. :)
Mr.Census
07-31-2006, 12:50 AM
i hated that little kid who wrote the letter to Superman. that kid's voice was gawdawful, plus he seemed like such an *******.
Me too, I hate the line "Ill tell you what I would DOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Man what a terrible line!:down :mad:
But I did like the message of superman IV, the failure of the movie was not Reeves fault, if anything he saved the movie and made it watchable. The editors and director should be ashamed of themselves. Not to mention the studio!
BatFitz
07-31-2006, 01:31 PM
^'tis the reason I still watch the film. The reason I know it's bad but I still like it anyway is because I grew up watching all of these films. In fact, sometimes I find myself liking IV better than III (but Evil Supes VS. Supes owns SIV)...Just because I remember watching this one the most...I was born in 87 so after it came on TV eventually I would play with my old DC Superheroes Superman from Toybiz in front of the TV....ah memories...but above this movie Superman 78 is and will always be the best...but who knows...we could see Donner's SII and than decide that is...
ReeveFan1978
07-31-2006, 02:37 PM
Im really looking forward to the Donner cut. I love 1 and 2..but am concerned about how seamless they can do the donner version what with using screen tests for some scenes..refilming others. I sure hope it is worth the hype because I am really excited.
:)
EL
captain_jimbo
07-31-2006, 03:40 PM
But is Superman IV really that bad Jimbo, considering you have a quote from the film in your sig...:o
I actually like the film despite the flaws, I like the idea of Superman ridding the world of all nuclear weapons, and Christopher Reeve is as wonderful as ever, as the Man of Steel, but critics panned it and unfortunately it is seen in the eyes of many, as a failure, which is why I said it was doomed before it started, because they gave it to those lame cheapos Golan Globus.
I recommend you all read the comics adaptation of Superman IV. It is 10x better then the movie.
I recommend you all read the comics adaptation of Superman IV. It is 10x better then the movie.
Mr.Census
08-03-2006, 05:10 AM
I recommend you all read the comics adaptation of Superman IV. It is 10x better then the movie.
any scans of it on the internet?
ReeveFan1978
08-03-2006, 08:32 AM
I just got it from the library again (Not buying it until Novemeber)
and if I see anything that leaps out at me to comment on, that hasnt already, I'll post it.
EL
http://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/chrisgc.jpg
"Once a girl's seen Superman in action, Niagara Falls kinda leaves you cold."
Kevin Roegele
08-03-2006, 08:51 AM
To me, the editor John Shirley is beyond retarted. The same could go for Supergirl's editor. They knowingly put some of the dumbest (but fixable) mistakes I've ever seen in editing in the films. It's the same with Superman III. There are plenty of FX shots in that film that don't even need to be replaced or repaired, but rather just removed. I love these movies because I'm a Superman freak and I was raised on them, but it pains me to no end. I'm actually thinking about getting into PC based video editing stuff, to that I could actually make the cuts I discuss here and at Superman Cinema on a regular basis. It's too bad I'm "computer-retarted" or I'd be doing the stuff already.
Dude, it's pretty easy, I've been re-editing Batman Forever myself.
captain_jimbo
08-03-2006, 02:20 PM
I recommend you all read the comics adaptation of Superman IV. It is 10x better then the movie.
Why, are the special effects better? :O
Spoarz™
08-03-2006, 04:25 PM
^ Obviously :D
Mr.Census
08-04-2006, 03:25 AM
Dude, it's pretty easy, I've been re-editing Batman Forever myself.
what software do you use to rip the movie from the dvd cause its copyrighted protected, and what program do you use to edit it?
ReeveFan1978
08-05-2006, 08:24 AM
Did anyone else notice that Chris is apparently wearing a wig in Quest.
Re-watching it last night he had a different hair part when playing Clark than when playing Superman.
At first I thought maybe the pic was flipped but as Superman it's always on one side, and then as Clark, its on another. (I thought initially it didnt look like Chris' hairline and this is probably why.
EL
http://members.aol.com/modfrancie1966/chrisgc.jpg
"Once a girl's seen Superman in action, Niagara Falls kinda leaves you cold."
BatFitz
08-06-2006, 01:24 PM
He also wore a wig in the earlier ones. The only one he used his real hair in was III and you can tell because you can see the blonde/brown
buggs0268
08-06-2006, 02:32 PM
He also wore a wig in the earlier ones. The only one he used his real hair in was III and you can tell because you can see the blonde/brown
Are you usre about that. EVery interveiw and every behind the scene picture, even the one wiht his brother, he has the same hair. they just died his hair black. I did hear about the one in 4 but it has not been confirmed.
ReeveFan1978
08-06-2006, 04:59 PM
He wore his own hair dyed black--according the making of book.
Its the same head of hair he had in Somewhere in Time. I think only 4 was the wig.
EL
BatFitz
08-06-2006, 09:16 PM
Hmm...maybe your right...either way they could've done better with the hair in SIII...
captain_jimbo
08-08-2006, 05:54 PM
He also wore a wig in the earlier ones. The only one he used his real hair in was III and you can tell because you can see the blonde/brown
No, I think it's his hair in all of the movies, certainly the first three, it's just that in the third movie, he had a bad allergic reaction to the hair dye, which is why it seems so much lighter than in Superman I and II. :)
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