Episode 4:"Bloodlines" review thread.

[Golgo-13]

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[Golgo-13]

Wow! Nice angle that Blade actually turned some humans into Vamps back in the day.

How the hell did Krista have time to slip out and visit Shen if Chase just told her to pack her bags?

[Knives122]

LOL, I just saw the Guy who played the Red Ranger in SPD. It's good that he's getting work b/c not many of them do after that show. :D

[Golgo-13]

This episode should satisfy all those that thought Krista was getting too much screentime..:up:

O.K i hate to nitpick but the writing does not match in the movies continuity:

1) The way Bookem Woodbines (Bad Blood leader) character saids Blade met Whistler does not match the way it's described in the movie. In the series he said Whislter dragged Blade out of a tattoo parlor. In the movies and on the Blade 2 deleted scene, Whistler met Blade on the streets, feeding on the homeless.

2)Blade ages like a human. Since he bit, and turned the Badbloods when they were young (presumably teenagers because that's how old Blade was when he met Whistler), shouldn't they still be teenagers since they stop aging, or age slower once they become vamps?

3) The lack of the boobie trap on Blade's sword...where was it?

4) Bookeem Woobines (Bad Blood leader) character escaped and ran out into direct sunlight...?

[TheCorpulent1]

#1: Inconsistencies always crop up when they make TV series out of movies. It's just something you've gotta learn to deal with. I guess we could discard the deleted scene (which is redundant, I know, but I mean count it as not existing, since it was, in fact, cut and not part of the material everyone would be familiar with). Do that and assume that Whistler might've been generalizing in the movies, since Woodbine's character himself said that after Blade turned the Bad Bloods, they were basically outcasts among vampires and had to scrounge around in the streets to survive. So Whistler might've been referring to Blade's running with the Bad Bloods as "living on the streets, feeding on the homeless."

For #2 I just assumed Woodbine and his band of merry men were already the ages they look when they met Blade. He said they were "just kids" when they met Blade, but some older people call anyone who's younger and less wise than they are "kids." Maybe he's come so far after being turned that he looks back on himself, adult though he may have been, as little more than a child in the ways of the real world Blade opened his eyes to.

#3 annoyed the hell out of me. People were handling the sword all over and I kept waiting for it to destroy their hands, but it never did. At least in Blade 2 we saw Reinhardt disable the trap. This time it looks like Blade is just cutting corners while mass-producing the swords (if the extras in the locker when Shen was loading up on weapons are any indication).

#4 confused me. I suppose it's possible that Blade's bite creates more Daywalkers instead of just normal vamps, but the Bad Bloods covered themselves completely and had all the windows on their truck tinted earlier in the episode. Why go to all the trouble if sunlight isn't a problem? I guess we're supposed to assume either that Woodbine's character is a Daywalker and all of the covering from earlier in the episode was just coincidental or that he somehow managed to get out of the warehouse and escape through some route that didn't expose him to sunlight.

[ReptileOrion]

Great episode.....it appears the streak of damn good episodes continue. The interaction between Blade and the Bad Bloods were great. It would be nice to see Bokeem Woodbine's character (Bad Blood Leader) return in a future episode. The scene between the Bad Blood Leader and Marcus was my favorite scene from the episode. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

The episode was pretty good except for a few issues. I seem to be accepting Jones as Blade a lot more now. Maybe because I now know he does have a little street thug in him after all. My favorite part of the episode was Shen's, "If you say 'thank you,' I'm quitting." :D

[VenomXXXXL]

#4 confused me. I suppose it's possible that Blade's bite creates more Daywalkers instead of just normal vamps, but the Bad Bloods covered themselves completely and had all the windows on their truck tinted earlier in the episode. Why go to all the trouble if sunlight isn't a problem? I guess we're supposed to assume either that Woodbine's character is a Daywalker and all of the covering from earlier in the episode was just coincidental or that he somehow managed to get out of the warehouse and escape through some route that didn't expose him to sunlight.

I was wondering the same thing. I hope we get a viable explanation for that at a later date.

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, it looked like the Bad Blood were about to bring Blade to Van Sciver, so they probably had their day-time gear ready near their van. Since the leader went that way, I'd assume he grabbed that gear and ran like the f**king wind.

Anyway, awesome episode--loved this new idea of Blade's past, and I hope we see the leader guy again in a later episode. :D

[KenK]

Yeah, I'm assuming the bad bloods were the same age when they took Blade in, hence the nickname they gave him, "Little Man", as to imply that they acknowledged him being younger than them. Despite the inconsistencies, I liked their inclusion in Blade's origin.

Otherwise, I was shocked when the doctor blew his brains out in his office! How you gonna off yourself in front of your patients?!?! That's bad for business!

Krista's trip should be interesting. Can't wait to see whether or not she gets to her serum in time. I'm still not sure if I've warmed to the idea that it can be used on any vampire other than Blade. It seems like something that would be specifically tailored to his genetic makeup.

I was wondering when we were gonna see Fredro Starr! Them boys from Onyx stay tighter than a virgin on prom night!

[Golgo-13]

I like that Marcus mentioned that the houses started eradicating all the vamps that had been turned by Blade, that's why the Badbloods went into hiding.

And i still don't fully understand the Preachers plan. I remember in last weeks episode that he mentioned something about "Doing things another way". What did he hope to accomplish by turning Blade over to the Badbloods?

[TheCorpulent1]

Otherwise, I was shocked when the doctor blew his brains out in his office! How you gonna off yourself in front of your patients?!?! That's bad for business!
Well, yeah, but what does he care? :p

[Chris Wallace]

I loved it. It was great getting some background on Blade for once. The show just gets better & better.
BTW-obviously Blade's bite does NOT create Daywalkers; look at the facts. If it did, the times he'd been captured in the movies they'd have used his saliva rather than his blood. Marcus would;ve called the bad Bloods "Daywalkers" themselves, instead of saying they were tainted by him. Blade is half-vampire due to special circumstances. But if he bites someone, he's passing on the vampirism virus, not the human traits within himself that balance it out. Everything Woodbine said made it clear that the Bad Bloods do NOT possess Blade's immunities.

[TheCorpulent1]

What the hell would Blade's saliva have done to people who are already vampires? :confused: Marcus is free to call the Bad Bloods whatever he wants, and it's quite possible he considers the ability to survive in sunlight a "taint." Remember, the vampires in the Blade movies were obsessed with bloodlines and how "pure" a vampire's blood was; getting turned by Blade means they're not only not pureblooded vamps, they're humans who were turned by an abomination. As for the black masks and stuff they wore out in the day, it's possible that they just wanted to hide their identities, just in case they didn't capture Blade and they needed to escape. It'd take him a lot longer to find them if he didn't know who they were.

So I wouldn't say it's obvious that the Bad Bloods weren't Daywalkers. I assumed they weren't because making them Daywalkers would make Blade lose part of what makes him unique, but if a future episode showed Woodbine walking around in the sunlight, I wouldn't be able to point out anything in this episode that directly contradicts it. Suggestions, yes, but nothing that can't have an equally plausible alternative explanation.

[JokerNick]

Hey... quick question, so Blade turned those guys into vampires, okay, makes sense, now in Blade 1, he bit that black chick at the end to regain his strength, but they never mentioned her having to cure herself afterwards???

also, has the cure been brought up at all, of her character, I heard a rumor that she was going to reprise her role in the series?

[Chris Wallace]

Technically he didn't bite her; he just drank from her pre-existing wounds.
I haven't heard anything about Karen returning & given the setup of the series, I find it unlikely.

[Chris Wallace]

What the hell would Blade's saliva have done to people who are already vampires? :confused: Marcus is free to call the Bad Bloods whatever he wants, and it's quite possible he considers the ability to survive in sunlight a "taint." Remember, the vampires in the Blade movies were obsessed with bloodlines and how "pure" a vampire's blood was; getting turned by Blade means they're not only not pureblooded vamps, they're humans who were turned by an abomination. As for the black masks and stuff they wore out in the day, it's possible that they just wanted to hide their identities, just in case they didn't capture Blade and they needed to escape. It'd take him a lot longer to find them if he didn't know who they were.

So I wouldn't say it's obvious that the Bad Bloods weren't Daywalkers. I assumed they weren't because making them Daywalkers would make Blade lose part of what makes him unique, but if a future episode showed Woodbine walking around in the sunlight, I wouldn't be able to point out anything in this episode that directly contradicts it. Suggestions, yes, but nothing that can't have an equally plausible alternative explanation.
Why would they need to conceal their identities? And wouldn't ski masks have been just as effective?
It seemes clear to me they didn't have Blade's immunities. He is unique, which is why they refer to HIM as the Daywalker & not anyone else.

[JokerNick]

Technically he didn't bite her; he just drank from her pre-existing wounds.
I haven't heard anything about Karen returning & given the setup of the series, I find it unlikely.

hmmm, it's been a while since I've scene Blade

Goyer said something to the fact that her, and Hannibal were to appear in the series at some point

[Swordmaster]

I will only say this for now. Blade kicked ass in this episode

[Golgo-13]

Hey... quick question, so Blade turned those guys into vampires, okay, makes sense, now in Blade 1, he bit that black chick at the end to regain his strength, but they never mentioned her having to cure herself afterwards???

also, has the cure been brought up at all, of her character, I heard a rumor that she was going to reprise her role in the series?

Well it's assumed she did cure herself afterwards, as she mentioned to Deacon Frost that a person who was once human 'can' be cured, which brings up the question why couldn't blade cure Krista? He obviously knows there's a cure cause Dr.Karen Jensen told him about it, and he cured Whistler with it in Blade 2. Whistler had been a vamp for two years mind you.

Is he holding this info back from her (Krista) because he wants her on the inside? Or is this another plot hole?

[Chris Wallace]

Well it's assumed she did cure herself afterwards, as she mentioned to Deacon Frost that a person who was once human 'can' be cured, which brings up the question why couldn't blade cure Krista? He obviously knows there's a cure cause Dr.Karen Jensen told him about it, and he cured Whistler with it in Blade 2. Whistler had been a vamp for two years mind you.

Is he holding this info back from her (Krista) because he wants her on the inside? Or is this another plot hole?
I don't see it that way; he needs Krista as a spy. She can't spy on the House of Chthon if she's human.
And he may not even have the resources to manufacture it on hand, just like he has to use the inferior serum now.

[Chris Wallace]

hmmm, it's been a while since I've scene Blade

Goyer said something to the fact that her, and Hannibal were to appear in the series at some point
But not Abby?

[Chris Wallace]

And even if Karen does show up, there's no guarantee that N'Bushe would be the one to play her. I'd love it if she did, though.

[JokerNick]

And even if Karen does show up, there's no guarantee that N'Bushe would be the one to play her. I'd love it if she did, though.

she might as well, she doesn't have that much going on, she'd do it for a 6 pack of diet coke most likely

[KenK]

she might as well, she doesn't have that much going on, she'd do it for a 6 pack of diet coke most likely

Damn, that's freakin' cold, man.

[hero4hire]

:) This episode should satisfy all those that thought Krista was getting too much screentime..:up:

O.K i hate to nitpick but the writing does not match in the movies continuity:

1) The way Bookem Woodbines (Bad Blood leader) character saids Blade met Whistler does not match the way it's described in the movie. In the series he said Whislter dragged Blade out of a tattoo parlor. In the movies and on the Blade 2 deleted scene, Whistler met Blade on the streets, feeding on the homeless.

2)Blade ages like a human. Since he bit, and turned the Badbloods when they were young (presumably teenagers because that's how old Blade was when he met Whistler), shouldn't they still be teenagers since they stop aging, or age slower once they become vamps?

3) The lack of the boobie trap on Blade's sword...where was it?

4) Bookeem Woobines (Bad Blood leader) character escaped and ran out into direct sunlight...?

Another good episode. I like the history of Blade before Whistler. I argee that the writing didnt match the movie (no boobie trap on the sword bothered me too), but I think the show is getting better each week. :up: :)

[Chris Wallace]

I'd buy the 6 pack personally. She's hot.

[amazingfantasy15]

They mention the cure in the pilot saying they couldn't cure Krista. It may have something to do with how she became a vampire, not through a bite, but the injection.

[amazingfantasy15]

:)

Another good episode. I like the history of Blade before Whistler. I argee that the writing didnt match the movie (no boobie trap on the sword bothered me too), but I think the show is getting better each week. :up: :)

As far as the boobie trap on the sword, maybe the bad bloods did their research and knew about the boobie trap or that news/fact has moved through the vampire community (sure they're not really a part of the community, but they can probably get some news every now and then).

[Chris Wallace]

It's common knowledge by now; Rheinhardt knew about it-he may not even use it anymore.

[Chris Wallace]

They mention the cure in the pilot saying they couldn't cure Krista. It may have something to do with how she became a vampire, not through a bite, but the injection.
Marcus DID say that biting wasn't the most reliable means of transmission.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seemed pretty effective for Blade, if the Bad Bloods are any indication.

[Chris Wallace]

He didn't say "It doesn't work at all."

[MaskedManJRK]

He didn't say "It doesn't work at all."

Yeah, I would wager that if we could compare the consistency of turning people to vamps, it would be to sexual potency. Depending on the health, genes, and mental/emotional states of someone, he/she could either be a casenova that gets it every time, or someone that just shoots off blanks.

[Fanticon]

This one wasn't as good as last weeks...not enough action and I didn't feel like the story was going anywhere...each episode should help to fully move the conflicts along...and this onea a little slow.

[C-$]

I loved the note Blade left for Van Sciver, "Suck Me".

[Marvel Man]

I think htis series is getting better as they go, lol its not as good as the movie but i still liked it

[XBRoughneck]

she might as well, she doesn't have that much going on, she'd do it for a 6 pack of diet coke most likely

OK, that was good.:up:

[XBRoughneck]

The show is entertaining and it's getting better with each episode, but there is still room for improvement.

Seriously, Chen needs to spend time when they aren't filming show Sticky how to do some combat kick moves. I love boxing as much as the next guy, but I'm finding it hard to believe Blade is winning a lot of his fights by simply out boxing his opponents.


I can deal with Sticky's lack of fighting skills as long as the show, and Blade's character development continue to improve.

[JokerNick]

as far as his booby trapped sword goes

I watched Blade 2 last night, his sword was broken towards the end... then in Blade 3, his sword never had the booby trap, makes ya think that when he made new swords, he decided to not include the trap......

[TheCorpulent1]

That's so un-Blade-like, though. :(

[Chris Wallace]

It's useless if everybody knows about it. Why do you think Spider-Man doesn't announce to everyone that he has "spider-sense", or Batman doesn't tell about all the booby traps on his car & his costume?

[VenomXXXXL]

I loved the note Blade left for Van Sciver, "Suck Me".

That's was priceless. Upon watching the eppy for a 2nd time, I liked the details even more.

[Chris Wallace]

I loved the note Blade left for Van Sciver, "Suck Me".
That was cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's useless if everybody knows about it. Why do you think Spider-Man doesn't announce to everyone that he has "spider-sense", or Batman doesn't tell about all the booby traps on his car & his costume?
There's still the off chance that someone wouldn't know about it or might forget about it. Even if everyone does know about the one booby trap, though, why hasn't he built in new ones to make up for it? Like I said, un-Blade-like.

[VenomXXXXL]

as far as his booby trapped sword goes

I watched Blade 2 last night, his sword was broken towards the end... then in Blade 3, his sword never had the booby trap, makes ya think that when he made new swords, he decided to not include the trap......

Yeah, I think we are left to deduct that the first sword had a special sentiment to Blade and the succeeding swords are just part of his weaponry.

[YJ1]

I will only say this for now. Blade kicked ass in this episode

Huh? Did we see the same thing? I hated this episode. It definitely was a step backwards from the previous two. Blade has been absolutely castrated in this TV series so far. All we saw from Blade was him somehow missing a truck that was barreling down on him on an empty street and then getting slapped around for forty five minutes while he hissed a lot. Then, we get to see him let the main antagonist run free. Why? The only reason was to set up a return in a future episode. That was quite lame as was a majority of this episode. Blade has beaten down a room full of vampires in the past. Here, he's just an average fighter who consistently has trouble with even a single opponent. That needs to change soon.

I'm going to chalk up this dud as one bad apple. I liked the previous episodes (weak Blade and all) and I really like the concept and the story. I'm hoping Sticky can stop pretending to be Wesley's Blade and just simply define the character for himself. Before this episode, his wooden performance was the only weak part of the show. The potential is there, I hope it starts to grow from here.

[SapphireMage]

I suggest reading the latest issue of StarLog (http://www.starlog.com/). There is an interesting article/interview with Kirk "Sticky" Jones. Granted, I started watching Blade after not seeing the three movies, so now, after watching 6 episodes, I watched the first movie, I had Jones in my head as Blade.

I love the backstories, the new characters, and the exploration into where this world can take us. Every media adaptation has to be fluid and change. Granted, I too was looking for the booby trapped sword as well.

The story is building and I sure hope that Steppin Razer is in more of the future eps... and that they don't kill him off. Personally, I think he adds more emotions to the series if he is a threat to Blade. Oh wait... girl talking here. Maybe I should say 'more action'... yah.. that's what I meant.

Spoilers (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0607/08/bladeepisodes.htm) are out there on future eps if you want to read them. They list guest stars and short descriptions up to episode 11.

[ReptileOrion]

Welcome to the Hype Sapphire :up:

[SapphireMage]

Glad to be here... Haven't been on a board in years. I use to be a junky.

I have to say I've seen Bloodlines a 'few' times. Did anyone notice that they did a make-up error on Shen in the last scene. He fell and cut up his right cheek. He stands up and tells Blade not to say "Thank you" or he is quiting. And then, they cut back to Blade. Blade asked about Krista... and when they show Shen again, his injures are on his left cheek... By the time they get to the broken sword... the cuts are back on his right side.

Someone wanted to add a scene where Blade asked about Krista after the fact and after the original shooting... if you ask me.

I've seen how they do make up on shots and they usually photograph a make-up shot for future scene retakes. Who missed the ball here.. or am I just being a bit too observant? Is the Polaroid really dead??

[Superman: Idols]

Glad to be here... Haven't been on a board in years. I use to be a junky.

I have to say I've seen Bloodlines a 'few' times. Did anyone notice that they did a make-up error on Shen in the last scene. He fell and cut up his right cheek. He stands up and tells Blade not to say "Thank you" or he is quiting. And then, they cut back to Blade. Blade asked about Krista... and when they show Shen again, his injures are on his left cheek... By the time they get to the broken sword... the cuts are back on his right side.

Someone wanted to add a scene where Blade asked about Krista after the fact and after the original shooting... if you ask me.

I've seen how they do make up on shots and they usually photograph a make-up shot for future scene retakes. Who missed the ball here.. or am I just being a bit too observant? Is the Polaroid really dead??

Happens all the time, believe me, even (or especially) in big-budget films. It's even worse when a charatcer is shot and the bullet wound dissapears in the next scene.

[KenK]

There's actually something I didn't really like about the episode:

Blade's tattoos being retconned as gang tats. I liked how they were established in the first film, like the guy in the alternative medicine shop who supplied the serum for Blade. Then Wesley explained them on the Blade II commentary as tattoos he gets to commemorate defeating a major enemy.

[Nightwing]

3) The lack of the boobie trap on Blade's sword...where was it?



are you all forgetting that in blade 2 he breaks his sword and has to get a new one....was the booby trap there for that?it was only shown in the first film doesnt suggest it ever remained throughout the other movies...new swords new tricks less gadgets.plus in the beginning of the second he only had scud to make stuff for him...maybe scud didnt want the gadget in there....

however this episode was ok....chad starting to come out of his shell....although you can just predict a whistler style casualty with this one....

i did however,having a son who is heavily into power rangers SPD, notice one of the bad bloods was infact Jack the Red Ranger......i see he has gone up in the world slightly since Power Rangers.wouldve been cool to see him fight and not get taken out straight away but oh well...least we saw that nice ass of Krista's

[Willowhugger]

1. I'm assuming the whole business with Krista not being able to be turned back is a combination of factors. My estimation is that Blade's Vampire science isn't always 100%, which makes sense since all the houses have very different funky abilities.

2. My take on bite transmission is the fact that Vampires sometimes aren't able to control themselves and drain a person completely, killing them.

[Willowhugger]

I like the Bad Bloodsepisode. I think it explains a great deal of Blade's attitude if he was a part of a gang before he became a vampire. I also felt that it offered a great opportunity for an archnemesis but having killed most of the gang at the start, I'm not so sure about it.

Frankly, Sticky doesn't seem to have established Blade feels much guilt and/or hatred for them.

[Golgo-13]

Willowhugger are you in another country (outside the US) and are several episodes behind us in the States?