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CGHulk

07-20-2006, 03:42 AM

kedrell

07-20-2006, 04:21 AM

He doesn't exactly have a glowing track record himself. Maybe he thinks people have forgotten about his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie.

Ironman24

07-20-2006, 06:24 AM

One thing to remember about Don Murphy is he's a jerk, and he thinks very highly of himself, I'm not surprised he said this about the movie, he usually attacks people and projects that he feels he got screwed on, I think it was pretty obviuos when the project reverted back to marvel from New Line Murphy would no longer be involved, I just don't know why it took him so long to acknowlege it.

Chaos Bringer

07-20-2006, 07:23 AM

he's a craptacular producer so farewell to thee bozo!

Ironfan72

07-20-2006, 08:25 AM

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Don Murphy, I was on his boards many times and he can be a huge @$$. I read his comments, and for some reason he just can't be a man and say, "I'm not involved any longer, and I wish them all success." no he has to attack to production and say he quote" I dodged a bullet." Personally I think Iron Man and Marvel dodged a bullet by not keeping him, he's more trouble than he's worth.
It just seems that his comments come just before Comic-con, so now Marvel and Jon Favreau now have to answer questions about this idiot and hi childish comments.

RAMORE

07-20-2006, 09:44 AM

i say we hunt him down like a dog in the streets who's with me?!?!?!?!

Ironfan72

07-20-2006, 09:57 AM

i say we hunt him down like a dog in the streets who's with me?!?!?!?!

LOL, I don't think we need to go that far, however, he should think before he speaks, another thing to remember, he's producing Transformers which is a Paramount film, as is Iron Man, Paramount may want to think about telling this guy to shut his mouth, its not good business to undermine a movie franchise thats at the same studio.

Advanced Dark

07-20-2006, 09:59 AM

What a prick. Zathura was a great little film. It's no blockbuster but it was very well made and fun. Did the guy see Elf???

Advanced Dark

07-20-2006, 10:03 AM

Here's how YOU can get your thread closed TOO, kids....
1- Call out to me in the headline, like Hey, Don or something. I'm not your *****. I try to read everything. You don't need to make this place even MORE about me. Just post. If I feel like responding, I sho nuff will.
2- Pointless negativity. I am fine with negativity since I am composed of pork and hatred. But make a post just to ask who should direct the film instead of Michael and bam, see ya. Michael's the director and doing an awesome job. Start a thread about something intelligent, whether positive or negative and it stays. But if it is little whiny fanboy crap, hey, I'll close it.
3- Attack me or people I work with personally. That's always a winner for the everyday coward.
4- Be insanely off topic.

-Don Murphy

From his own sites after posting what he did. Hypocrite.

http://www.transformerscon.com/images/donmurphy.jpg

What a putz.

RAMORE

07-20-2006, 10:22 AM

Is that him:eek: What a dufus...

Kaboom

07-21-2006, 01:14 PM

i liked zathura. and he was spot on as foggy nelson

Chris B

07-21-2006, 02:17 PM

The thing that I find funny is that all he has to say is that the film will suck and the majority of posters, at that board, adopt that mindset.

Retroman

07-21-2006, 05:14 PM

I've read some of his comments on message board and the way he attacks some of the TF fans is quite unbelievable.

I suppose he wanted Bay to do Iron Man?:o

Advanced Dark

07-21-2006, 05:20 PM

i liked zathura. and he was spot on as foggy nelson

Zathura was great...period. Most all critics agreed but there are a handful of reasons on why it wasn't a big hit at the box office starting off with awareness, the title, and the competition.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zathura/

lordofthenerds

07-21-2006, 06:07 PM

What a dumba$$. :down

antariksh

07-21-2006, 07:06 PM

Ya agreed. He is a complete as%hole.

kedrell

07-21-2006, 07:29 PM

I've read some of his comments on message board and the way he attacks some of the TF fans is quite unbelievable.

I suppose he wanted Bay to do Iron Man?:o

You mean Transformers fans right?

Bay would absolutely kill Iron Man. He'd stick Affleck, Harnett, or Cage in as Tony Stark and any depth, suspense or intrigue would go out the window.

antariksh

07-21-2006, 10:32 PM

You mean Transformers fans right?

Bay would absolutely kill Iron Man. He'd stick Affleck, Harnett, or Cage in as Tony Stark and any depth, suspense or intrigue would go out the window.

SO TRUE!!!

Just wait till 2007 the biggest PILE OF CRAP and DUD will be TRANSFORMERS movie!!!!!!!!!!! It will be just robots blowing each other apart which will suck major ball$ :down

Hunter Rider

07-22-2006, 05:55 AM

Warhammer

07-22-2006, 08:16 AM

While i really don't have a lot of time for Murphy but we know very little of Fav's ability to make a movie on this scale,he seems a nice guy but i'd like to see some footage of the film before i take a side

True.
Iron Man will either be a hit or miss.

IM is my favorite Marvel Superhero, too. :(

Eros

07-22-2006, 11:45 AM

considering Jon Favreau directing abilities are not yet even known, and most peoople know him better as an actor[ he should stick to that]. I just think Murphy makes a point, why would you cast an actor/"director" to do movie of this "Calliber". Jon favreau played foggey Nelson a few years back, and now he is directing a movie like this? lol

Darthphere

07-22-2006, 01:51 PM

Were better off without him.

Darthphere

07-22-2006, 01:51 PM

kedrell

07-22-2006, 02:13 PM

He also directed Made. All of his movies that he's directed(I realize it's just 3) are fresh on RT. He's shown he's got real talent as a director.

Retroman

07-22-2006, 05:03 PM

You mean Transformers fans right?
Yes.

Bay would absolutely kill Iron Man. He'd stick Affleck, Harnett, or Cage in as Tony Stark and any depth, suspense or intrigue would go out the window.
Bay might be better suited for Superman. He's a big fan of Americana and if Warner ever wanted a overly patriotic/action-packed interpretation of the character they should get him.

Tanin

07-22-2006, 07:13 PM

But he has faith in Michael Bay why?

FVD

07-22-2006, 07:31 PM

Yeah I've been reading some bad things about Don Murphy. He really is a tosser. If I had any authority I would kick him off the Transformers project all together. Spielberg get rid of the moron will you.

Movies205

07-22-2006, 07:44 PM

why would you cast an actor/"director" to do movie of this "Calliber".

That is by far one of the most ignorant posts ever to grace the hype... Here's some lovely director/actors that you may have heard of:

Clint Eastwood (Mystic River and Unforgiven)

Robert Redford (Quiz Show and Ordinary People)

Zach Braff (Garden State)

Rob Reiner (When Hally Met Sally and A Few Good Men)

Danny Devito (Hoffman)

There's plenty of awesome actor/directors out there, plus Zathura was a cool little flick.

Movies205

07-22-2006, 07:46 PM

But he has faith in Michael Bay why?

Cuz Micheal Bay kicks ass :up:

zer00

07-22-2006, 07:48 PM

Murphy being gone is the best thing that could happen to any movie.

Tanin

07-22-2006, 08:00 PM

Cuz Micheal Bay kicks ass :up:

Well I LOVED the Island...it shows improvment, but he has a long way to go to prove he is great.

Barry Allen

07-30-2006, 03:50 AM

I'd like someone to punch Don Murphy in the throat.

Ironfan72

07-30-2006, 08:20 AM

I'd like someone to punch Don Murphy in the throat.

LOL, Murphy is a tool and if you read all the zombies replies over on his website, their not much better, they fall in line with what ever spews out of Murphy's mouth, no independent thought by many over there.

Octoberist

07-30-2006, 12:30 PM

Don Murphy is weird.

You can tell that he does listen to the fans, and that he does care for the source material if he's adapating something. But there's the League and From Hell.

At the sametime, Don was the one who was fighting to get Peter Cullen on Transformers.

Even though Don has a very honest opinion on Hollywood, honestly, he's not in position to talk trash if his resume isn't that great either. And he's the type who would make enemies just for the sake of making enemies.

But remember....Don did get Cullen, so I'm mixed on Don.

TheVileOne

07-30-2006, 01:02 PM

People are forgetting that Favreau did MADE, which was a great movie.

Made was a pretty heavy and dark film at times.

skorponok

07-30-2006, 09:43 PM

Man, Murphy is reaaaaaaaaaallly pissing me off, just because he seems so...I don't know...

http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?threadid=12582

TheVileOne

07-31-2006, 02:55 AM

We are better off without Cassavettes as well.

And good God. Where does the producer of LXG get off calling Favreau a hack?

Ironfan72

07-31-2006, 06:26 AM

Thats Don Murphy, he thinks he can get away with crap like that, he starts one sided fights knowing that Paramount,Marvel and Jon will not respond and they shouldn't, they don't need to lower themselves to that moron.

Advanced Dark

07-31-2006, 09:33 AM

He's a putz. Zathura was a well receieved film by critics but just not blockbuster type material, and Elf was pure magic.

"Fingerprick ohhhhhhhhh"

Ironman24

07-31-2006, 10:51 AM

Murphy is just showing that he doesn't have much class.

Isildur´s Heir

07-31-2006, 12:56 PM

I just love how people are jumping in the "bash Don Murhpy and praise Favreau" bandwagon.

I´m in no way defending Murphy or bashing Favreau, but, let´s be logical and impartial here.
If you look at Favreau´s record, he is, in no way, the right man for the job, he is way better suited for comedies or romantic comedies, even a better a little drama...his style blends better in those genres.
Now, you can say he is a comic book fan, but, so what?
Is better to be a non-fan but a great director, than the other way around...once again, i´m in no way bashing Favreau, i love the man as an actor, he is great in The Break-Up and did a fine job with the small and crappy role in Daredevil.

Now, Jon Favreau can very well end up surprising me, which i´ll be glad if that happens, but, so, far, i´m still very apprehensive...but, then again, i´m always apprehensive when it comes to comic book movies.

And Jon, if you end coming to this boards...all luck in the world, buddy :up:

Ironman24

07-31-2006, 01:14 PM

The only problem is Mr. Murphy has decided that he needs to attack Jon Favreau, calling him a hack and having no talent and no respect in Hollywood, that show's no class. Its not a bandwagon thing, Don has shown no restraint in his unfounded critism of Jon and the production, he needs to suck it and act like a man and not be a child because he's not the producer.
Is Jon the right guy for the film, none of us here are qualified to make that judgement, he more than deserves the chance to prove himself. Is he a good actor, yeah, he's done a fine job directing two good films, but to classify him only as a comedy or drama directer, isn't fair to him or any other directer in Hollywood who wants to make a film.

TheVileOne

07-31-2006, 01:21 PM

Ironman24

07-31-2006, 01:37 PM

Hey maybe Favreau is the wrong man for the job.

But ever since Favreau got the job all the crap we were hearing about the production when Murphy and Cassavettes were attached to the production stopped.

:up: exactly, right now, it looks like drama for drama's sake, its unnessary and unwanted, with so much positive buzz and momentum, this discussion is a waste, it gives Murphy undeserved attention, he is no longer involved with project and really shouldn't be a issue.

AndrewGilkison

07-31-2006, 07:35 PM

One of the posters on his message board owned him. Check it out. http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?threadid=12582&perpage=25&pagenumber=4

Don - let's be honest here.

You attack somebody like Jon Favreau, who has atleast managed to make some enjoyable, competant films and clearly is excited about the Iron Man material...

Don, buddy - you produced League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I mean lets be serious here, you havent really got a leg to stand on.

You mention Favreau constantly saying "I think..." Don, mate... it's early days on Iron Man. They dont have a finished script or any approved designs. It's all thinking at this point, and you know this, so try being a bit smarter when you look for things to ***** about, alright?

And incase any of you members of Don's board don't realise - the man is a joke in the business. You really think he's had **** all imput on Transformers? Don, you can try to defend yourself against that statement all you like, but you know like I know that you're really a producer here in name only and the others involved are making sure your imput is kept to a minimum.

And gee, I wonder why... maybe it's because you pathetically flame others on your message board all the time. Grow up, Don. Jeesh.

Advanced Dark

07-31-2006, 08:23 PM

One of the posters on his message board owned him. Check it out. http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?threadid=12582&perpage=25&pagenumber=4

I'm sure he'll erase that so I'm glad you posted it. The only wrong thing is Iron Man is more than beyond the "Thinking Stage" as it's set to film in February. Don's a fat freaking asshat for even typing that about Jon in the first place. Favreau's never made a bad film and given solid material he surely will do wonders.

Ironfan72

07-31-2006, 08:58 PM

Nice post, again, I can't for the life of me figure out what Don's problem is with Jon Favreau and the production. Don has nothing to do with Iron Man any more, but he can't seem to move on with his life, he needs to worry about Transformers and the films he actually has something to do with and not worry about someone else's movie.

TheVileOne

07-31-2006, 10:55 PM

I think Don is just throwing a hissy fit that he isn't getting a piece of the action anymore.

I thank the Deity that a guy like Murphy has nothing to do with this movie. The guy is responsible for freaking LXG. He has no right to criticize anybody.

kedrell

07-31-2006, 11:08 PM

Maybe he really had his hopes up for the IM movie he was trying to get made and is now super-pissed not to be on the project anymore. I don't know, but that's my guess. Very childish.

TheVileOne

08-01-2006, 12:01 AM

Shouldn't this sort of blackball him if he's a producer in the industry?

kedrell

08-01-2006, 01:35 AM

Well I doubt it's going to help his career. But who knows, as long as he's there to kiss Michael Bay's butt and tell him that his s**t doesn't stink, he'll have a job.

TheVileOne

08-01-2006, 01:36 AM

I wonder if all the internet trolls that post on here are really movie producers like Don Murphy.

Doctor of Doom

08-01-2006, 04:37 AM

I myself wasn't too sure about Mr Murphy.

Then I read his reply to the comment posted earlier, in which he stated that Zathura was terrible (it was okay but not that bad) and he repeatedly insulted, swore and called mocking names in an incredibly childish way. Honestly, I would think it were a teenager posting there.

And, just for the killer...

He said League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was good

I am officially glad we no longer have this guy onboard

Ironman24

08-01-2006, 05:56 AM

For anyone who supports Murphy, just read his replies to fans, he always hangs himself with his own words and actions.

ultimatefan

08-01-2006, 10:59 AM

Well, the guy sounds like an a-hole anyway, and i won´t put too much credit about a comic book project on the word of a producer who´s made LXG... From all i heard of Favreau, he´s going in the right direction in tone, style and story. He knows and understands the lore.

TheVileOne

08-01-2006, 11:46 AM

If anyone ever sees Murphy at a convention or something, someone should call him on it.

walker_trent

08-01-2006, 01:19 PM

Don Murphy is a fking scumbag. A total piece of *****. This movie is even better without him attached. Jon Favreau is a class act who will make this one of the best Marvel movies yet. No question about it. I cannot for this movie.

FVD

08-02-2006, 10:28 PM

TheVileOne

08-02-2006, 11:57 PM

It's clear to me he has no class at all.

Advanced Dark

08-03-2006, 12:33 AM

From all the crap I've heard of Murphy he doesn't strike me as anybody fantastic at all. I really have nothing but the utmost respect for Favreau for the way he's handling the Iron Man production thus far.

As for Murphy it seems like he's frakkin' up the Transformers movie from what I've heard so far.

Agreed, and i really enjoyed The Island. hopefully bay can make a good transformers film for the fans but i honestly have zero desire to see this.

Bug-Eyed Earl

05-03-2008, 08:26 AM

Hate to bump a really old topic, but I just thought I should mention: I still go to the Murphy TF board, and I've noticed something:

Every topic having to do with Iron Man has been deleted. And that poster dimnix who pwned him who was mentioned earlier in the thread- no trace of him on the site, either.

I'm grateful that he got PEter Cullen for Optimus, but Jesus ****ing Christ is the man a baby. He tries as hard as he can to see to it nobody posts on his imdb and wiki pages, even sending other posters on the board en masse to spam wiki to get his page locked.

Knightsaber Priss

05-03-2008, 09:07 AM

From his official site! http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12306&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
"FYI I no longer have any involvement with IRON MAN. It is a much longer story that I WILL tell soon. Let's just say I feel like Clark Kent and have dodged a bullet. I mean I watched ZATHURA and wonder if anyone else involved bothered."

Considering how much he and Bay mucked up the Transformers franchise, turning it into a confusing mess of nothingness, I'm glad he was jettisoned from the project. Ironman rocked!!! It had much better action setpieces and humor than that movie that shall not be named.

LostSon88

05-04-2008, 04:37 AM

kedrell

05-04-2008, 04:49 AM

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring up Don Murphy again after IM did so well.

All I can say to him is SUCK IT!! SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD, YOU FAT F***! HAHAHAHAHA!

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 09:01 AM

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring up Don Murphy again after IM did so well.

All I can say to him is SUCK IT!! SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD, YOU FAT F***! HAHAHAHAHA!

But you know he's going to pull that whole Movie whose name I will not mention from last year. I'm going again today and bringing my nephew to see Ironman because I believe it's worth my money. I want it to do well.

Retroman

05-04-2008, 09:10 AM

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 09:13 AM

:woot::up:
Imagine what the movie would have been like if he stayed on? *shudder*

I'm guessing Ironman and Iron Monger would look radically different, perhaps looking like those things from Bay's movie very loosely based upon the Transformers. How I wish Favreau was working on a decent Transformers franchise. *sigh*

Retroman

05-04-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm guessing Ironman and Iron Monger would look radically different, perhaps looking like those things from Bay's movie very loosely based upon the Transformers. How I wish Favreau was working on a decent Transformers franchise. *sigh*
Besides the other projects he's got lined up I hope Favreau focuses on Iron Man sequels for the timebeing before jumping to another franchise.

Rac

05-04-2008, 09:28 AM

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 09:34 AM

Besides the other projects he's got lined up I hope Favreau focuses on Iron Man sequels for the timebeing before jumping to another franchise.

Well, Favreau would be much too late to save Bay's franchise that mangled the Transformers. He'd have to start from square one, which might be a very good thing. As it stands I'm already pretty disenfranchised with Bay's hatred of the fans. So what if he's misleading those that actually care about his sequel. I'm more excited for Ironman 2.

#1Batmanfan

05-04-2008, 09:38 AM

Well, Favreau would be much too late to save Bay's franchise that mangled the Transformers. He'd have to start from square one, which might be a very good thing. As it stands I'm already pretty disenfranchised with Bay's hatred of the fans. So what if he's misleading those that actually care about his sequel. I'm more excited for Ironman 2.

transformers was awesome plus it made 320 million domestically and 700 worldwide so i think people liked it

Kent

05-04-2008, 09:43 AM

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 09:45 AM

transformers was awesome plus it made 320 million domestically and 700 worldwide so i think people liked it

That movie which I shall not name was awesomely messy!!! Honestly how can anyone like such a confusing mess of half baked ideas lumped together with lame, Meet the Spartans quality "komedy"? Seriously! Watch some real movies for a change then come back to me. You know, real, quality movies like Citizen Kane and Metropolis were Box Office disasters but here we are decades later lauding them. I'll bet you 20 years from now you won't feel so sure of your assertions. I'll take movies like All About Eve over Michael Bay's slop any day.

Retroman

05-04-2008, 09:57 AM

Btw, I only knew that Favreau directed Zathura (haven't seen it). Nothing else. Now I checked his IMDb page and found out that he did Elf! WTF! That movie sucked major donkey balls! If I'd knew that before I would have been bashing IM on these boards a lot. Now I'm really fcking surprised that that the dude who made godawful Elf made the fcking excellent Iron Man! Jesus! But in the end, no one's perfect. Almost everyone has at least one bad film in their cv.
lol Indeed. ELF wasn't that bad though imo.
Well, Favreau would be much too late to save Bay's franchise that mangled the Transformers. He'd have to start from square one, which might be a very good thing. As it stands I'm already pretty disenfranchised with Bay's hatred of the fans. So what if he's misleading those that actually care about his sequel. I'm more excited for Ironman 2.
I loved Transformers and i'm excited for both sequels to be frank.

Rac

05-04-2008, 10:07 AM

I liked Elf quite a bit myself.

This part cracked me up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjmjtOnDyYs
:woot:lol Indeed. ELF wasn't that bad though imo.Elf started out well but in the end it became the typical happy happy joy joy sugary American christmas movie. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4846/sickqt1.gif

But Peter Dinklage's always awesome. He'd be great Puck if they ever make a Alpha Flight movie.

AVEITWITHJAMON

05-04-2008, 10:09 AM

^Agreed, TF was awesome, and i cant wait for TF2, havent seen IM yet, but from what i have seen, the action scene's borrow a lot from TF.

Anyway, i cant wait to see IM.

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 10:11 AM

Don really is something,it seems his problem with John is that he directed Zarutha and has suggested more than once that Iron Man would suck. Hey,at least John wasn't involved in that big piece of crap called Double Dragon.

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 10:15 AM

^Agreed, TF was awesome, and i cant wait for TF2, havent seen IM yet, but from what i have seen, the action scene's borrow a lot from TF.

Anyway, i cant wait to see IM.

I guess Godzilla2000 won't ever get over the Transformers movie designs,they looked pretty freaking cool IMO,and I think she should get over it and stop bringing up Transformers in a bunch of threads. Back to Don,I wonder if he even saw Iron Man in spite of claiming it would suck. He once criticized John saying the man couldn't walk,I remember that since I still post at his site but not as much I use to however. Oh,and I don't really like Don myself either,the man seems to think to highly of himself and he doesn't like being called out in threads when his name is apart of the thread name..well at times he doesn't like it. The only reason I still post on his site his because of Transformers 2,I really don't give a damn about his other movies.

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 10:17 AM

I loved Transformers and i'm excited for both sequels to be frank.

You bleating blind sheep supporters say this all the time but still you haven't been able to illustrate to me why that pile of slop deserves my respect. I'd rather support the Ironman franchise than a franchise based on hatred for the ones that made it a success. Tell me why I should like that movie that hack made? He makes horrible movies but he thinks he's making instant classics. He's just as laughably inept as Ed Wood. He just has bigger budgets than Mr. Wood did. Let's see how cocky we are 20-40 years from now.

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 10:20 AM

AVEITWITHJAMON

05-04-2008, 10:21 AM

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 10:23 AM

X Knight

05-04-2008, 10:24 AM

hey aveit! I liked Transformers, too. And, I can't wait for TF2!!

Oh, and I LOVED IM!! Saw it yesterday with my Dad.....ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!

IM's my new favorite CB movie and CB hero.

I think that you'll enjoy it too.

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 10:25 AM

If you didnt like TF thats fine, but could please refrain from calling people who like it blind sheep, i'm no blind sheep at all, i just liked the movie when i expected not too, and cant wait for TF2.

Right on buddy,you go man!! :woot::woot:

TheVileOne

05-04-2008, 10:50 AM

Don Murphy wanted Leonardo DiCaprio to play Tony Stark.

I wonder what he has to say now considering how great Iron Man is doing.

Marvin

05-04-2008, 10:51 AM

You bleating blind sheep supporters say this all the time but still you haven't been able to illustrate to me why that pile of slop deserves my respect. I'd rather support the Ironman franchise than a franchise based on hatred for the ones that made it a success. Tell me why I should like that movie that hack made? He makes horrible movies but he thinks he's making instant classics. He's just as laughably inept as Ed Wood. He just has bigger budgets than Mr. Wood did. Let's see how cocky we are 20-40 years from now.

blind?
blind is not being able to(or at least claiming not to be able to) read the action
or distinguish shoulders from elbows in Transformers

for starters
it deserves your respect because it's a film plain and simple
it deserves your respect because it was distributed all over the world
-because it generated a revenue (greater than some of the mega sequels that year)
-because of the technical achievements
-because of the photography(which is about 18x greater than that of ironman by the way)
-the list can on and on but i'd rather eat breakfast than shove your foot any deeper into your own mouth

all films deserve our respect

and sure you can pick your favorites here and there but you have no right to diminish the achievements of the others or to step on the tastes of other film goers.

if you want the debate of why TF kicks ass just ask for it...cause i love it
if u want the debate of why i like it more than iron man that's cool too, i live for it

but do me a favor and tone down all the territorial bashing please
ppl like what they like

next time baby

Marvin

05-04-2008, 10:55 AM

Don Murphy wanted Leonardo DiCaprio to play Tony Stark.

I wonder what he has to say now considering how great Iron Man is doing.

personally i'm curious as what DiCaprio would bring to the table
certainly more conviction...especially after his aviator portrayal.
(he's a leader)

i'm curious as to what Tom Cruise would have brought as well
he has that ability to stare down his superiors and go against company execs well imo

RDJ was great tho

Raiden

05-04-2008, 10:56 AM

Good riddance.

TheVileOne

05-04-2008, 11:00 AM

I'm so glad Murphy ended up having nothing to do with this movie and let it turn to trash like LXG.

Apollo

05-04-2008, 11:09 AM

i'm sure he is kicking him self right about now

I Am The Knight

05-04-2008, 12:53 PM

Well the man sounds like an idiot, anyways.

Kanon

05-04-2008, 01:13 PM

Whoa, bumping this thread was plain evil :woot:

Poor Don Murphy :p

"A man is the owner of his silence, and slave of his words"

echostation

05-04-2008, 01:56 PM

we should go over and spam his boards... wouldn't that be hilarious...

DACrowe

05-04-2008, 02:05 PM

Elf started out well but in the end it became the typical happy happy joy joy sugary American christmas movie. http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4846/sickqt1.gif

But Peter Dinklage's always awesome. He'd be great Puck if they ever make a Alpha Flight movie.

Is there anything wrong with a Christmas movie if it is well made? Elf is one of the few in recent memory I can think of.

Anyway, I remember this thread. Don Murphy struck me as a tool with sour grapes. And judging by how bad most of his movies are, meh. And seeing his other "adaptations" like LXG and TF, we should all just be very grateful.

DACrowe

05-04-2008, 02:09 PM

I HONESTLY,don't know where you're getting the idea that the person you're talking to is forcing Transformers down your throat!! Hey,at least they aren't one of those Spiderman fans who forces the Spiderman movies they like down one's throat.

:o:huh:

What the did you just say about the Spider-Man movies?!

:p :D :cool:

Leenie

05-04-2008, 02:31 PM

Hm, I hope that Don Murphy character likes the taste of his foot. :P

RonStoppablefan

05-04-2008, 02:39 PM

I really bet he's angry at himself now becuase Iron Man is getting positive reviews and s making millions world wide muhahaha. Take that Producer Don Murphy!
I'm going to go spam his forums now.

Infinity9999x

05-04-2008, 03:04 PM

blind?
blind is not being able to(or at least claiming not to be able to) read the action
or distinguish shoulders from elbows in Transformers

for starters
it deserves your respect because it's a film plain and simple
it deserves your respect because it was distributed all over the world

Whoa, wait a minute. I liked TF, but a film does not deserve respect just because it's a film. I'm not going to respect Batman and Robin just because it's a film. Respecting a motion picture just because it's a motion picture is ridiculous.

-because it generated a revenue (greater than some of the mega sequels that year)
-because of the technical achievements
-because of the photography(which is about 18x greater than that of ironman by the way)
-the list can on and on but i'd rather eat breakfast than shove your foot any deeper into your own mouth

I agree with most of those, except the photography. The way they filmed some of the fights was too confusing. I felt like I was watching Batman Begin's fight scenes again, too choppy, and it was too hard to tell the bots apart sometimes in the action.

all films deserve our respect

Again, no all films do not deserve our respect. A film earns your respect for a number of reasons, maybe you enjoyed it, maybe it had mind blowing special effects, great acting, an awesome musical score, but it does not in any way deserve our respect just because it was made. I don't respect Batman and Robin because I feel that WB ruined it only to try and make more money off toys, and because it almost destroyed the character of Batman in the movies. That film does not deserve my respect, nor did it earn it.

I Am The Knight

05-04-2008, 03:09 PM

I really bet he's angry at himself now becuase Iron Man is getting positive reviews and s making millions world wide muhahaha. Take that Producer Don Murphy!
I'm going to go spam his forums now.

I like that idea.

BETArayBill

05-04-2008, 03:13 PM

all films deserve our respect? you must never have seen a movie by uwe boll.

CaptainAmerica

05-04-2008, 03:15 PM

I bet he feels pretty stupid now.

Bug-Eyed Earl

05-04-2008, 03:17 PM

Don Murphy wanted Leonardo DiCaprio to play Tony Stark.

I wonder what he has to say now considering how great Iron Man is doing.

I remember him saying that TOny Stark had to be older. Some actor came to the boards campaigning for the role, and the guy was about as baby-faced as DiCaprio, and Murphy told him he looks all of 15, because Tony Stark needs to be in his late 30s.

I have a good memory, when it comes to unimportant crap.

RonStoppablefan

05-04-2008, 03:20 PM

I like that idea.

Its fun, you should trie it. I sound like a good rol modle don't I? LOL. Na I haven't done it yet but I plan to, Iron Man deserves respect I say.

The Lizard

05-04-2008, 03:30 PM

Whoa, bumping this thread was plain evil :woot:

Poor Don Murphy :p

"A man is the owner of his silence, and slave of his words"

True. :woot:

Attention, Don Murphy:

http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

Spade

05-04-2008, 03:46 PM

You know what I find funny? A quick glance at Murphy's board reveals that they're not talking much about Iron Man. I wonder why.

bunk

05-04-2008, 04:05 PM

I never even knew about this Don Murphy thing. Pretty funny now that he has to eat his words. Assuming he can take a break from eating other things for a minute.

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 04:16 PM

I certainly hope the next time Favreau sees Don Murphy in public he mentions how proud he is about the Ironman franchise.

Ironfan72

05-04-2008, 04:16 PM

I'm glad Iron Man killed at the box office, after Murphy spouted off calling Favreau a hack and saying Iron Man would fail, Murphy should apoligize, he wouldn't do that, his ego is too big, but let the box office speak louder than words.

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 04:19 PM

I never even knew about this Don Murphy thing. Pretty funny now that he has to eat his words. Assuming he can take a break from eating other things for a minute.

For Don Murphy.

http://jonreid.blogs.com/oneanother/eat-crow.jpg

I'm glad Iron Man killed at the box office, after Murphy spouted off calling Favreau a hack and saying Iron Man would fail, Murphy should apoligize, he wouldn't do that, his ego is too big, but let the box office speak louder than words.

Considering he's aligned himself with the creative void that is Michael Bay he had no right to say all those nasty things to a true visionary like Favreau.

the_icon_007

05-04-2008, 04:31 PM

You know what I find funny? A quick glance at Murphy's board reveals that they're not talking much about Iron Man. I wonder why.

It's because his sour grapes keep him acknowledging the fact that Iron Man is incredible!

He keeps deleting any post dealing with Iron Man.

I Am The Knight

05-04-2008, 04:34 PM

....And Zathura (in my book) was pretty good. So go screw yourself Don Murphy!

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 04:43 PM

It's because his sour grapes keep him acknowledging the fact that Iron Man is incredible!

He keeps deleting any post dealing with Iron Man.

Well, in the face of people mentioning how well Ironman did he'll always bring up the ludicrous success of that movie he did with Michael Bay last Summer.

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 05:02 PM

What the did you just say about the Spider-Man movies?!

:p :D :cool:

Don't worry,you're not bad in my book man. Because you get it,that's why!
:yay:

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 05:05 PM

OMG,I can't believe Iron Man has made 200$ million world wide already!!!
THAT IS FRACKING AWESOME! Yes,Don can suck it. Hahahahaha.
I'm really in shocks folks.
:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

Knightsaber Priss

05-04-2008, 05:25 PM

OMG,I can't believe Iron Man has made 200$ million world wide already!!!
THAT IS FRACKING AWESOME! Yes,Don can suck it. Hahahahaha.

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I dare you to be very subtle and stealthy by going to Don Murphy's messageboard and using an image of Ironman as your avatar. I wonder how long it'll take before he removes it and bans you. :p

The Major

05-04-2008, 05:48 PM

Well, in the face of people mentioning how well Ironman did he'll always bring up the ludicrous success of that movie he did with Michael Bay last Summer.

Depends on how he rates "success". TF made plenty of profits, but the critics nailed it to the wall. IM not only has done great financially but the critics love it.

The Major

05-04-2008, 05:50 PM

S.A.A.D.

05-04-2008, 06:13 PM

I dare you to be very subtle and stealthy by going to Don Murphy's messageboard and using an image of Ironman as your avatar. I wonder how long it'll take before he removes it and bans you. :p

He wouldn't do it,trust me woman. :woot:

Marvin

05-04-2008, 06:18 PM

Depends on how he rates "success". TF made plenty of profits, but the critics nailed it to the wall. IM not only has done great financially but the critics love it.

the critics are hypocrites plain and simple
plus everyone has a stake in the game when it comes to bay

lest i remind everyone of the 2008 Academy Awards

I personally always turn the the tri-fecta when it comes to most films (two out of three is enough)
Mori (aintitcool)
Devin F (Chud)
Ebert (chicagoSun)

more over there are different kinds of financial success...I'll wait till iron man hits that magic number before i start with the beers

The Major

05-04-2008, 06:29 PM

the critics are hypocrites plain and simple

Why do you think they're hypocrites?

plus everyone has a stake in the game when it comes to bay

Why is that, exactly?

lest i remind everyone of the 2008 Academy Awards

You'll have to explain this. I haven't watched the Academy Awards in years.

I personally always turn the the tri-fecta when it comes to most films (two out of three is enough)
Mori (aintitcool)
Devin F (Chud)
Ebert (chicagoSun)

Fair enough.

more over there are different kinds of financial success...I'll wait till iron man hits that magic number before i start with the beers

Financial success is financial success. IM is doing very well on that front.

Spade

05-04-2008, 06:52 PM

It's because his sour grapes keep him acknowledging the fact that Iron Man is incredible!

He keeps deleting any post dealing with Iron Man.

Wow, what a childish move coming from a dude who's over 40.

SsM

05-04-2008, 06:52 PM

all films deserve our respect? you must never have seen a movie by uwe boll. Pshh. Amen to that.

Bug-Eyed Earl

05-04-2008, 06:52 PM

You know what I find funny? A quick glance at Murphy's board reveals that they're not talking much about Iron Man. I wonder why.

They've tried, but every topic about it disappears.

The Major

05-04-2008, 07:25 PM

They've tried, but every topic about it disappears.

That's enough to know what Murphy thinks of IM.

SsM

05-04-2008, 07:28 PM

He got a well deserved kick in crotch.

TheVileOne

05-04-2008, 07:32 PM

I took a look at Murphy's trashy message boards. Doesn't look like any Iron Man talk is happening.

co2

05-04-2008, 07:33 PM

For Don Murphy.

http://jonreid.blogs.com/oneanother/eat-crow.jpg

ha! I was thinking this exact thing.

TheVileOne

05-04-2008, 07:38 PM

I wonder if Don Murphy voluntarily left the project, or if he was kicked off when the rights reverted from New Line back to Marvel.

Marvin

05-04-2008, 07:48 PM

Whoa, wait a minute. I liked TF, but a film does not deserve respect just because it's a film. I'm not going to respect Batman and Robin just because it's a film. Respecting a motion picture just because it's a motion picture is ridiculous.

I have to "respectfully" disagree!
no one said you have to give it critical praise just because it's conceived and released
but respect?
pardon my analogy but that would be like not respecting a womans...no a mothers trials and burden for enduring labor..just because the baby is ugly!

films are achievements, good or bad

just like being a bench playing in the NBA/NHL/NFL deserves it's respect
sure Tom Brady the mega clinch quarter back is the man
but ...well u get it

Batman and Robin is a "bad" film in most ways
but it's a film and that's more than anything i've accomplished at this point in my life
and for that it and the people involved have got..no earned my respect for all it's worth.

I agree with most of those, except the photography. The way they filmed some of the fights was too confusing. I felt like I was watching Batman Begin's fight scenes again, too choppy, and it was too hard to tell the bots apart sometimes in the action.

sorry to correct you, but you no doubt mean cinematography

and no
i swear if it was as choppy as begins i would understand but enough with the over exaggerations it was fine...for what they were going for.

the photography in that film was fantastic.

Again, no all films do not deserve our respect. A film earns your respect for a number of reasons, maybe you enjoyed it, maybe it had mind blowing special effects, great acting, an awesome musical score, but it does not in any way deserve our respect just because it was made. I don't respect Batman and Robin because I feel that WB ruined it only to try and make more money off toys, and because it almost destroyed the character of Batman in the movies. That film does not deserve my respect, nor did it earn it.

sounds more like you just didn't like it

when i was a kid. I loved it:brucebat:

Marvin

05-04-2008, 07:51 PM

all films deserve our respect? you must never have seen a movie by uwe boll.

check out the cast list on that blood rayne film

that in itself is worth enough respect lol

(and no i haven't seen any of his films..yet)

Marvin

05-04-2008, 08:02 PM

Why do you think they're hypocrites?

they love and admire things one summer and just forgetting that last summer they hated the very same things

they're quick to point out a very pro USA/pro army message with simply the realistic includance of the army...whilst a summer later with a similar thing is happening except osama's cronnies are on the scene, there's bare mention of it

jokes take away from drama and drama is everything, even in the summer...yet a summer later and the the very first scenes play like some kinda snl impove skit

i love the movie..narrative wise and somewhat visually...but someone's gotta call the bs

Why is that, exactly?

let's just say some ppl have said way too much to then turn it all around

(ahem vern)

he represents something and it's not "right"

i could digress but i'd rather just post an article i'd find it but i don't think many would read it

You'll have to explain this. I haven't watched the Academy Awards in years.

all the technical achievements, the one thing even most of the critics would admit to being great

the great academy with all it's critics gave to films that obviously didn't deserve them

and i'm assuming the academy isn't just clooney and his actor buddies

sound editing i may be argued into believing but sound mixing? nah

Fair enough.

Financial success is financial success. IM is doing very well on that front.

the way it was said it was as if IM achieved TF's financial success as well as round the board critical praise

personally i think it will achieve moderate to great success ala X3 or close to it

The Major

05-04-2008, 08:24 PM

they love and admire things one summer and just forgetting that last summer they hated the very same things

Comparing TF to IM is a really bad idea. They have some things in common but IM offers much more compelling entertainment along with being better made all around.

they're quick to point out a very pro USA/pro army message with simply the realistic includance of the army...whilst a summer later with a similar thing is happening except osama's cronnies are on the scene, there's bare mention of it

What are the complaints you've read about the American military acting in IM? I thought they were well done.

jokes take away from drama and drama is everything, even in the summer...yet a summer later and the the very first scenes play like some kinda snl impove skit

If you think IM's humor is exactly the same as TF's you're mistaken. The humor didn't take away from its drama because it was done much better, in smaller snippits which didn't impact the story to much and weren't enough to overwhelm the drama. TF did the opposite IMO.

I do agree the first few minutes are to comedic, but the rest of the movie made up for that.

i love the movie..narrative wise and somewhat visually...but someone's gotta call the bs

BS about what? That IM is a better movie then TF?

let's just say some ppl have said way too much to then turn it all around

Critics? Movie producers? Michael Bay? Marvel? Who the hell are you talking about?

(ahem vern)

he represents something and it's not "right"

i could digress but i'd rather just post an article i'd find it but i don't think many would read it

Many people don't have to read it. I want to.

all the technical achievements, the one thing even most of the critics would admit to being great
I'm glad they got awarded for their excellent work.

the great academy with all it's critics gave to films that obviously didn't deserve them

The Academy has been a joke for years. This isn't a new discovery you're making.

It's just a huge party for Hollywood to pat itself on the back.

and i'm assuming the academy isn't just clooney and his actor buddies

What's your problem with Clooney or actors who know him?

You do realize directors and producers aren't far behind the actors in getting enormous credit from the Academy with the awards.

sound editing i may be argued into believing but sound mixing? nah

Not sure what you're getting at here.

the way it was said it was as if IM achieved TF's financial success as well as round the board critical praise

I said it got "financial success" not "TF's financial success".

IM does not need to hit TF numbers to do well.

personally i think it will achieve moderate to great success ala X3 or close to it

Agreed.

AMDodson

05-04-2008, 09:32 PM

TF?...

The Falconer: The Movie!?

Yeah, I personally think Iron Man is better than that. Definitely.

...

TF!? WHAT THE HELL IS TF?!?!?

The Ferminator?

The Fantasticfour?

Marvin

05-04-2008, 10:05 PM

Comparing TF to IM is a really bad idea. They have some things in common but IM offers much more compelling entertainment along with being better made all around.

actually it's a good idea
but your right it's a different movie
TF's major flaw is that it could have been so much more and if it wasn't for the audience(the kids), the creators could have made the next terminator or something

that being said, just watching the Aviator let's me see just how much the genre inhibited iron man from truly soaring.

What are the complaints you've read about the American military acting in IM? I thought they were well done.

there were none, and that's the point

If you think IM's humor is exactly the same as TF's you're mistaken. The humor didn't take away from its drama because it was done much better, in smaller snippits which didn't impact the story to much and weren't enough to overwhelm the drama. TF did the opposite IMO.

it's not the same
it's humor when there could be more drama, and sure the early parts (i'm a playboy like wayne, hear me roar) have their place but other stuff was there solely to get a rise out of the audience ie crashing into a wall at 100mph during tests...

i think it's fine, but last year it was dumb to have a fat black man run through a window and jump into a pool when there could have been more optimus
or having optimus talk about ebay...

whatever, it's a subjective world

I do agree the first few minutes are to comedic, but the rest of the movie made up for that.

personally i feel the early stuff was more in place than the later stuff
i'm just talking objectively, it started out way more light say a certain movie did 1 year ago, that certain movie started out with Cullen giving a serous history lesson if i recal

BS about what? That IM is a better movie then TF?

about hypocricy

Critics? Movie producers? Michael Bay? Marvel? Who the hell are you talking about?

critics...

Many people don't have to read it. I want to.

i'll have to find it

I'm glad they got awarded for their excellent work.

they weren't

The Academy has been a joke for years. This isn't a new discovery you're making.

It's just a huge party for Hollywood to pat itself on the back.

well that's the way i see alot of critics now

What's your problem with Clooney or actors who know him?

You do realize directors and producers aren't far behind the actors in getting enormous credit from the Academy with the awards.

my point was that it's not just actor buddies on the academy, it's also ahem...critics...everyone's got stock

Not sure what you're getting at here.

TF lost both sound awards to something else

I said it got "financial success" not "TF's financial success".

IM does not need to hit TF numbers to do well.

just let it be known that it didn't get TF financial success...and then figure out why

Agreed.

i sure hope so

Catman

05-04-2008, 10:16 PM

Attention, Don Murphy:

http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

:hehe:

Figs

05-04-2008, 10:31 PM

I wonder if Don Murphy voluntarily left the project, or if he was kicked off when the rights reverted from New Line back to Marvel.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got booted when the rights went back to Marvel.

Don Murphy seems to be the typical big studio tool kind of producer.

the_icon_007

05-04-2008, 10:59 PM

He has officially deleted every single Iron Man reference from his forums. Although The Dark Knight and the Hulk are openly discussed.

StylishHokie21

05-04-2008, 11:02 PM

No faith in the director, eh? :hehe:

CaptainStacy

05-04-2008, 11:05 PM

I certainly hope the next time Favreau sees Don Murphy in public he mentions how proud he is about the Ironman franchise.

And then kicks Don in the nuts. :up:

xwolverine2

05-04-2008, 11:05 PM

did he have issues with transformers as well?

The Major

05-04-2008, 11:16 PM

actually it's a good idea

The reason its a bad idea is that IM dominates TF in every category. Which is odd since Favreau is a rookie action director while Bay is a veteran.

but your right it's a different movie
TF's major flaw is that it could have been so much more and if it wasn't for the audience(the kids), the creators could have made the next terminator or something

Agreed.

that being said, just watching the Aviator let's me see just how much the genre inhibited iron man from truly soaring.

Why do think the genre hurt Tony in the movie?

there were none, and that's the point

You may be right that people picked on TF's good bits not just the bad. I'd say the movie's awfulness negatively affected the audience views on the elements which were decent or even good. Unfortunately that type of thing is hard to avoid with a movie like TF. It's got a target on it for people to ridicule.

it's not the same
it's humor when there could be more drama, and sure the early parts (i'm a playboy like wayne, hear me roar) have their place but other stuff was there solely to get a rise out of the audience ie crashing into a wall at 100mph during tests...

While those scenes were extremely silly the reason they don't hurt IM as much is due to execution. They were short gag's you could forget once the scene was over. It was also light hearted but not insultingly so. The frat boy humor in TF simply took over the story for to long and in a fashion which made the movie look more stupid then it should have been.

i think it's fine, but last year it was dumb to have a fat black man run through a window and jump into a pool when there could have been more optimus
or having optimus talk about ebay...

Because they were executed badly. And they didn't stop. The first half is basically American Pie guest starring Bumblebee. That's why some people hated it.

The audience went to TF for the violence and big robots fighting not for comedy.

whatever, it's a subjective world

True.

personally i feel the early stuff was more in place than the later stuff

What later stuff did you feel was out of place?

i'm just talking objectively, it started out way more light say a certain movie did 1 year ago,

True, but the difference is the opening of IM didn't lead into a comedy story. In a very short time the comedy was over with serious violence, which was much more sombre in tone early on then TF's first half.

that certain movie started out with Cullen giving a serous history lesson if i recal

Cullen wasn't doing an impression of Galadriel's narration from LOTR.

It was omnious just to vague to have the impact it needed IMO.

The movie turning into American Pie after that didn't help it. The drama Optimus talked about pretty much got deflated with that.

about hypocricy

Can you tell me the subjects the critics were hypocritical about?

critics...

Actually I thought they were right on the money with TF.

i'll have to find it

Okay.

well that's the way i see alot of critics now

Is there any particular reason you got this epiphany now?

my point was that it's not just actor buddies on the academy, it's also ahem...critics...everyone's got stock

True.

TF lost both sound awards to something else

Who did they lose to?

just let it be known that it didn't get TF financial success...and then figure out why

I've got some ideas on that.

IM didn't lower expectations to sub-zero levels, didn't have a decades old proven brand name the public knew, a well known director, the movie wasn't publically linked to Spielberg, it didn't have an A-list leading actor or actress, it didn't have female eye candy like Megan Fox (Leslie Bibb could have worked but she only appeared for a few minutes) and it didn't go after the lowest common denominator in every scene.

Besides most movies don't have that level of success. That's why they're exceptions to the rule. If Hollywood really knew the formula to all its movies to make them successes like that TF wouldn't be the only movie getting those numbers.

I'm glad movies like BB and IM are being incredibly successful even though they are avoiding the easier ways to make a film profitable. It shows to me that they aren't just in it for the money they want to make good movies, too.

Competition can be a good thing but Hollywood doesn't need to raise insane expectations because their rivals do well in their projects. All that does is cause negavity among their ranks so even a huge success is seen as a failure only because their competitor was able to make some record breaking amount of money. If the competitor hadn't done that the year before they would have been extatic at how successful it was. Besides it's not like successful films like IM need to pull in Spider-man or TF money to do well. They're just setting themselves up for failure raising expectations to high like that.

gkokujin

05-04-2008, 11:43 PM

just for the record, Transformers (TF) was garbage...nothing but eye candy.

Iron Man was a complete movie.

TheVileOne

05-04-2008, 11:54 PM

I wish someone would challenge Don Murphy about this without him deleting any sign of it.

The guy is worse than some of the most terrible trolls in the history of this board.

Marvin

05-05-2008, 12:15 AM

The reason its a bad idea is that IM dominates TF in every category. Which is odd since Favreau is a rookie action director while Bay is a veteran.

it defeats it in a few categories
depending on your preference, some that count

as subjective as we're about to get
TF has better photography, and vfx work, and sound, and "action" by some members

personally it's more fun...and in summer time that's kinda important
again subjective

Why do think the genre hurt Tony in the movie?

cause i just watched the aviator and it was a stronger film, no doubt due to not being a genre film.

You may be right that people picked on TF's good bits not just the bad. I'd say the movie's awfulness negatively affected the audience views on the elements which were decent or even good. Unfortunately that type of thing is hard to avoid with a movie like TF. It's got a target on it for people to ridicule.

the "audience" loved it...don't believe me? just watch the mtv movie awards this year

it's the critics (already said my peace on that)
and the "fans" (who think their vision is the right vision even though it's not their money or necks on the line)

who have ill will towards it

While those scenes were extremely silly the reason they don't hurt IM as much is due to execution. They were short gag's you could forget once the scene was over. It was also light hearted but not insultingly so. The frat boy humor in TF simply took over the story for to long and in a fashion which made the movie look more stupid then it should have been.

it's jokes that don't need to be there, they don't help the narrative..they help the fun

the more you have the more you get away from cit kane and there will be blood

frat boy humor is fine in frat boy movies...if that's what TF the movie is then let it be, it wasn't the type it was the mere prescence of it
which by the way, my theater audience absolutely ate up

but it's ok for who framed roger rabit to be a comedy and still get like 90%tile on RT

Because they were executed badly. And they didn't stop. The first half is basically American Pie guest starring Bumblebee. That's why some people hated it.

subjective...and yes i can see why "fans" have a problem with that...

The audience went to TF for the violence and big robots fighting not for comedy.

same thing could be said about iron man
yet it was there, in spades
(it's summer)

What later stuff did you feel was out of place?
when stark made jokes in public and early on, i felt that was contributing to character and narrative...afterwards(after al queda) he still goes on to make a joke or quip about every 8 or so mins...
it may have been balanced but it could have been a stronger drama without it

True, but the difference is the opening of IM didn't lead into a comedy story. In a very short time the comedy was over with serious violence, which was much more serious in tone early on then TF's first half.

it wasn't over, it was back and back again
and honestly nothing is wrong with that, it's summer

my little niece and bro and aunt all enjoyed TF more than ET...half of that is due to the tone
(ie still laughing in the car)
not sure what's wrong with that

Cullen wasn't doing an impression of Galadriel's narration from LOTR.

It was omnious just to vague to have the impact it needed IMO.

The movie turning into American Pie after that didn't help it. The drama Optimus talked about pretty much got deflated with that.

it didn't turn into American Pie
it turned into a day in the ordinary life of a real teen living in LA
it was actually executed very well
(and is a organic expansion of that spike character)

just like et turned into a day in the life of that boring kid

it's just a teen in a LA isn't everyone's cup o tea

Can you tell me the subjects the critics were hypocritical about?
like i said(or atleast think i said)
military ad campiagne
sameless ads for cars or whatever
jokes every few beats
explosions

etc

Actually I thought they were right on the money with TF.

I don't

Is there any particular reason you got this epiphany now?

cause IM is doing great(which is great) and somehow critics are forgetting the line of thinking they had about a year ago(when it comes to particular things)

Who did they lose to?
bourne if i recall
golden compass for the others

I've got some ideas on that.

IM didn't lower expectations to sub-zero levels, didn't have a decades old proven brand name the public knewIron man is hardly the six sense, a well known directorbay is hated but ur right, the movie wasn't publically linked to Spielbergtrue...but unlike TF...Marvel is the **** these days, it didn't have an A-list leading actor or actressPaltrow compared to fox?, it didn't have female eye candy like Megan Fox (Leslie Bibb could have worked but she only appeared for a few minutes) and it didn't go after the lowest common denominator in every scene.IRON Man is hardly the Aviator...and every scene?

Besides most movies don't have that level of success. That's why they're exceptions to the rule. If Hollywood really knew the formula to all its movies to make them successes like that TF wouldn't be the only movie getting those numbers.

if you switch bay and favureau, scripts stay the same, some things would start to become more clear

I'm glad movies like BB and IM are being incredibly successful even though they are avoiding the easier ways to make a film profitable. It shows to me that they aren't just in it for the money they want to make good movies, too.

there are ways to make them more successful without "selling out" just look at Spidey2/X2
and yes if IM's actoin was at TF's level it would make a load more

Competition can be a good thing but Hollywood doesn't need to raise insane expectations because their rivals do well in their projects. All that does is cause negavity among their ranks so even a huge success is seen as a failure only because their competitor was able to make some record breaking amount of money. If the competitor hadn't done that the year before they would have been extatic at how successful it was. Besides it's not like successful films like IM need to pull in Spider-man or TF money to do well. They're just setting themselves up for failure raising expectations to high like that.

perhaps

anyways this is one of the many articles
i think it's more about reading them all in conjunction to get what i'm getting at

http://www.michaelbay.com/press/articles/022.html

Marvin

05-05-2008, 12:16 AM

just for the record, Transformers (TF) was garbage...nothing but eye candy.

Iron Man was a complete movie.

garbage?

Franklin Richards

05-05-2008, 12:38 AM

Once the wonder of transforming was over (which it was after the trailers) the movie got pretty boring. No heart. And the bad acting of this guy.

8IXCK1EyP4s&hl=en

Iron Man FTW.

:im::im::im:

Marvin

05-05-2008, 12:58 AM

funny
he was thought to be one of the only genuine acting jobs in the flim

but like i was saying....

I wonder when the spoof vids of IM will start coming out
RDJ was pretty much playing himself

but what is good acting really

only daniel day knows lol

Franklin Richards

05-05-2008, 01:05 AM

My MFA in Theatre says I know a little bit about acting and I'm telling you.

Shia Le Sux.

:im: :im: :im:

Marvin

05-05-2008, 01:06 AM

and what of my MFA?

Franklin Richards

05-05-2008, 01:07 AM

Theatre?

:im: :im: :im:

DarkKnight88

05-05-2008, 01:13 AM

My MFA in Theatre says I know a little bit about acting and I'm telling you.

Shia Le Sux.

:im: :im: :im:

Yea, but he's acting in big films and you're typing on a message board devoted to comic book movies.

Just playing around dude :)

Marvin

05-05-2008, 01:14 AM

kidding actually

goes to show that that's no way to prove a point..ppl can say or be anything they dream on boards

moreover

ebert seems to be a good judge of acting and he hardly has an mfa in theater(kudos by the way)

(ask any sports announcer, u don't have to be kobe to know why they lost)

if it were so, than everyone here just about lost their right to speak on the "acting" in this or TF

Marvin

05-05-2008, 01:16 AM

Franklin Richards

05-05-2008, 01:18 AM

Ahhh.. and by your reasoning because Paris Hilton was in a movie she is good. And I must be worse than her because I've been acting on professional stages for about 15 years.

Yeah. My life would have been so much better if I had been plucked by Disney and turned into a money machine with pedestrian acting skills. It turned out so well for alot of Disney alums.

EDIT-- this post is for Dark Knight

:doom: :doom: :doom:

Franklin Richards

05-05-2008, 01:22 AM

actually i'm going for the BA in animation so we get plenty of acting theory and application
lots of acting exercises and improv

and yea i think i know what it is

shia can act with conviction
his range we haven't seen yet

Be careful with Ebert's judgement. Don't forget, he made this film.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/2004_09_beyondthevalley-thumb.jpg

:doom: :doom: :doom:

Marvin

05-05-2008, 01:53 AM

lol that's true he did

i think my point still stands

it doesn't actually take one to know one

take all the critical minds here that seem to have an opinion on the VFX level of say teh new hulk
i'm going to assume their eyes work

Octoberist

05-05-2008, 03:17 AM

I could be wrong but is Don Murphy still defending the creative decisions on the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 03:23 AM

He was when he was trashing Favreau and Iron Man on his message board like the punk that he is.

Octoberist

05-05-2008, 03:27 AM

and look at iron man now. it's the most polished, faithful and entertaining Marvel movie yet.

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 03:31 AM

If Murphy was any kind of man of testicular fortitude, he would at least apologize to Favs.

Octoberist

05-05-2008, 03:37 AM

really he should. Don Murphy, for whatever reason, tends to instigate drama, and in this situation, he was trying (but failed) to start stuff with a geninuely good filmmaker like Favs. It's dumb.

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 03:49 AM

Knightsaber Priss

05-05-2008, 05:01 AM

And then kicks Don in the nuts. :up:

What he should do is take a page from his own movie and leave Don Murphy to the whims of all Ironman (Comic and/or Movie) Fanboys/girls.

I could be wrong but is Don Murphy still defending the creative decisions on the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

I saw this in a video for a Canadian Transformers convention I believe but he defended LXG by stating it made alot of money in the foreign market making it a hit most likely from a fiscal point of view. I guarentee you 20 years from now Ironman will be remembered and that movie I shall not name will be all but forgotten or merely just a footnote nobody really pays attention to.

If anyone ever sees Murphy at a convention panel, you shouldn't let him get away with this.

Yes, please ask plenty of Ironman question. Go so far as hijacking the event doing this!

S.A.A.D.

05-05-2008, 08:35 AM

Don Murphy's last contribution to cinemas was producing SHOOT 'EM UP in case anyone was wondering. It pretty much tanked by the way.

If anyone ever sees Murphy at a convention panel, you shouldn't let him get away with this.

You know,that reminds me of something I did,when Shoot 'Em Up was out,I posted it's box office numbers on Don's site saying it flopped. When I did it he got pissed off and said to me "What do you know??". Seriously,he said that to me,I was going to say something but didn't.

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 10:44 AM

Lawl, I wonder if you got banned on the spot, or if he hijacked your account and started spamming the board ;) .

Knightsaber Priss

05-05-2008, 11:38 AM

Lawl, I wonder if you got banned on the spot, or if he hijacked your account and started spamming the board ;) .

Yes, because that's how he can justify banning people that intelligently disagree with him.

S.A.A.D.

05-05-2008, 03:35 PM

Lawl, I wonder if you got banned on the spot, or if he hijacked your account and started spamming the board ;) .

I didn't get banned,trust me.

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 09:29 PM

Just saying, that's what Don Murphy does to people who intelligently disagree with him. It's happened to people here who posted on his forums that disagreed in a very diplomatic way about what Murphy said about Iron Man.

kakashi

05-05-2008, 10:13 PM

I've just visited his board for a quick look...and there IS a lengrthy thread discussing Iron man.

Kinda...

they were talking about one reviewer from time magazine who has a positieve review for Iron Man and seems to be poking fun at the Transformer movie on the same review...

S.A.A.D.

05-05-2008, 10:17 PM

^Yup,and the Transformers vs Iron Man movie arguement got dragged into the Hey Roberto thread which was specifically made for questions and answers in regard to Transformers 2.

kakashi

05-05-2008, 10:28 PM

^^ yup! just noticed that too.
it's obvious the man didn't want any Iron Man topic to have it's own thread and such like.

StylishHokie21

05-05-2008, 10:43 PM

This guys sounds like he's 10 years old. Where's his forums at?

TheVileOne

05-05-2008, 11:06 PM

Just google the Don Murphy message boards.

According to Michael Bay, Murphy had little to do with Transformers and he was never on the set.

kakashi

05-05-2008, 11:09 PM

^^http://www.donmurphy.net/board/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=18

Have fun!

Kanon

05-06-2008, 07:10 AM

Is it me, or the Iron Man threads dissapeared again?

A.J.Rimmer(BSC)

05-06-2008, 07:25 AM

I liked Shoot Em Up?!?

Marvin

05-06-2008, 07:49 AM

Is it me, or the Iron Man threads dissapeared again?

that's how it works round these parts
every movie gets it's time to shine

see u at the bat/hulk boards lol

Marvin

05-06-2008, 07:50 AM

I liked Shoot Em Up?!?

but how?

it's not Shakespere

:o

A.J.Rimmer(BSC)

05-06-2008, 08:06 AM

Zing!

I like a good gun-wank as much as the next guy.

Spade

05-06-2008, 05:42 PM

Shoot 'Em Up was good. It was only panned because it had a crazy plot. Once you embrace the randomness, you can see that it's a good film. Iron Man just happens to be the better film.

TheVileOne

05-08-2008, 01:21 AM

Hey I liked Shoot 'Em Up as well, but the movie still bombed.

And Don Murphy is still a total jerk. He won't even dare break his silence on Iron Man and show some humility.

Octoberist

05-08-2008, 03:10 AM

Shoot 'Em Up is just ridicous. I "GOT" it, but it didn't jive with me. At first it was silly cool, then it got old after a while.

Octoberist

05-08-2008, 03:11 AM

Hey I liked Shoot 'Em Up as well, but the movie still bombed.

And Don Murphy is still a total jerk. He won't even dare break his silence on Iron Man and showing some humility.

So what has he said about Iron Man as of late? Has he seen it?

TheVileOne

05-08-2008, 03:23 AM

No indication from him has been given. He deleted any threads pertaining to Iron Man. Some posters did talk about it in other forums, which it looks like hasn't deleted yet.

I would recommend you guys go through the start of this thread. Which started almost TWO YEARS ago. Just saying, its one of the things you got to like. We can remember things like this a couple years later for how unprofessional people like Don Murphy are.

The proper thing to do would at least apologize for putting up that inflammatory garbage.

Darknightnomis

05-08-2008, 07:56 AM

Boy this guy was REALLY WRONG about this movie and the director!

I mean there is being wrong ....and then there his level.

Chris B

05-09-2008, 03:27 PM

I don't care much for the man, personally. And I'm not sure why there are still a few people on his message board that still seem to respect him. Still, in the case of Transformers, I do give him and Tom DeSanto some credit for influencing the decision to bring back Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime. I'll salute him for that, but that doesn't change the fact in my mind that he was an ass when it came to Favreau directing Iron Man.

TheVileOne

05-09-2008, 03:53 PM

Whatever, I don't even like Transformers anyway. According to Bay, Murphy had little to nothing to do with the actual filming of the movie and had virtually no input.

Chris B

05-09-2008, 04:00 PM

I don't know if I entirely believe that. If only because with Bay, bringing back any of the original voice actors doesn't seem like a no-brainer to him. If it was, then he probably would've brought back Frank Welker as well.

TheVileOne

05-10-2008, 05:35 PM

Whatever. I'm happy Cullen came back and all, but the movie wasn't that good. I give no credit at all to Murphy after the dreck he put on his own message boards.

Quite simply, Favreau drinks Don Murphy's milkshake.