Iron Man BO thread

[Docker2.0]

Maybe WB shouldn't use the SR for anything. Speed Racer and Superman Returns were all disappointments.

[TheVileOne]

Docker, do you accept the $300 million signature bet or not?

[StylishHokie21]

I'm pretty sure studio execs are falling down from their high chairs after the unexpected success of IM, and the bombing of SR as well as underwhelming opening of Narnia. Prior to May, many people assume IM would do okay, SR would soar and Narnia would have 80-100 mil opening.

I'll bet they are. Iron Man certainly surprised me, but I never expected SR to do well. Narnia was a shock as well. Now it's up to Indy.

[Angeloz]

I think "Iron Man" can make $300 million but I'm no expert. I'm not totally shocked because of the "Transformers" type ads. And that did very well. By the way even though I havn't seen it I suspect it's better than "Transformers". I'm not a betting person so it may be more or a little less than $300 million.

Angeloz

[ultimatefan]

Same here. Is it safe to say IM is now the #2 franchise at Marvel?

At this particular point, yes, even though we have yet to see how the franchise handles as a series.

What Favreau, RDJ, and the rest of the gang accomplished is nothing short of a small miracle, I mean, even Raimi or Singer can bank some of the success of their Spidey and X-Men movies on the built-in popularity of the characters, these guys made IM a phenomen where it didn´t seem like there was one to be made.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well I'd give alot of credit to the marketers.

I've crunched the numbers and although I don't think that it's impossible I think that it will have a tough road to 300mil. I'm going to go with 290-295mil right now. It has a good shot at 300mil but it's going to be very hard getting those last few million. It all really depends on this upcoming weekend.

[CaptainStacy]

Well, then let's all go see it again this weekend (and bring a friend or two :word: )...let's help push this bad-boy up over 300 million.

[Kanon]

I sure will be there at least one more time, so I will push the worldwide bo :p

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, then let's all go see it again this weekend (and bring a friend or two :word: )...let's help push this bad-boy up over 300 million.I've never seen a movie in theaters twice before.

[echostation]

this film aint gonna do 300 mill... it's already running on less steam despite fantastic numbers... 280 mill tops...

[WilliamK99]

this film aint gonna do 300 mill... it's already running on less steam despite fantastic numbers... 280 mill tops...

How is it running on less steam? It made over 30 million in it's 3rd weekend, very few films have done that. With memorial day weekend coming up it should be over 250 million by next Tuesday, needing only 50 million, which should be easy, especially with the fact it's had sub 50% drops thus far.

[WilliamK99]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/moreweekends.htm?page=3&p=.htm

Only 1 movie above it did not make over 300 million after grossing over 30 million in it's 3rd weekend, so odds are Iron Man will gross over 300 million, quite easily I might add.

[TheVileOne]

Yup, and that was Harry Potter 2 which made $261 million. Iron Man is going to easily surpass that.

[Heretic]

Iron Man is one strong weekend away from eclipsing X-3 and Batman. Thats just amazing.

I would love for it to keep climbing. Its certainly a great movie, and should actually help Hulks numbers...

[TheVileOne]

It will hopefully surpass the crappy Matrix Reloaded as well.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Horrible movie. Hopefully it will.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Edit: double post.

[FlawlessVictory]

Iron Man is one strong weekend away from eclipsing X-3 and Batman. Thats just amazing.

I would love for it to keep climbing. Its certainly a great movie, and should actually help Hulks numbers...

Iron Man would need to make more than $355 mil domestic to truly eclipse Batman 89.

[Mauser9910]

I sure will be there at least one more time, so I will push the worldwide bo :p
Same thing here ! :)

[Raiden]

At this particular point, yes, even though we have yet to see how the franchise handles as a series.

What Favreau, RDJ, and the rest of the gang accomplished is nothing short of a small miracle, I mean, even Raimi or Singer can bank some of the success of their Spidey and X-Men movies on the built-in popularity of the characters, these guys made IM a phenomen where it didn´t seem like there was one to be made.

This is why I want IM to be a trilogy, not just 2 IM movies and an Avengers movie. I want IM to become one of the best superhero movie trilogy ever, and I think it has a real chance to do so.

[Docker2.0]

Docker, do you accept the $300 million signature bet or not?

I accept your bet!! :cmad:

[FaT_tONle]

This is why I want IM to be a trilogy, not just 2 IM movies and an Avengers movie. I want IM to become one of the best superhero movie trilogy ever, and I think it has a real chance to do so.

DUde... it will come apart like it always does... don't be so naive... I can't see the second one being better than the first because it rarely happens... and even if it does the third one ends up being the gas from the ass "stinker" if you know what I mean. Besides... if Downey is still willing to do a fourth with Favs as well they'll come back as long as Marvel pays them. If they move on they move on. I don't want to risk RDJ's involvement in Avengers if IM2/3 flop or do bad critically.

[Raiden]

DUde... it will come apart like it always does... don't be so naive... I can't see the second one being better than the first because it rarely happens... and even if it does the third one ends up being the gas from the ass "stinker" if you know what I mean. Besides... if Downey is still willing to do a fourth with Favs as well they'll come back as long as Marvel pays them. If they move on they move on. I don't want to risk RDJ's involvement in Avengers if IM2/3 flop or do bad critically.

Well, there are alot of sequels that surpassed the first movie, like ESB, Spider-man 2, X2, FF2 (which admittedly wasn't hard to do). TDK looks like will probably be better than BB as well. Yes, 3rd movie potential could suck (like SM3 and X3), but because of War Machine, I think it can probably defy the odds as long you have Fav and rest of the cast returning.

[FlawlessVictory]

Well, there are alot of sequels that surpassed the first movie, like ESB, Spider-man 2, X2, FF2 (which admittedly wasn't hard to do). TDK looks like will probably be better than BB as well. Yes, 3rd movie potential could suck (like SM3 and X3), but because of War Machine, I think it can probably defy the odds as long you have Fav and rest of the cast returning.

Isn't the plan to have War Machine in IM2 though?

The problem is Favs made IM too good. It can only go downhill from here. :wow::hehe:

[FaT_tONle]

After WM and Mandarin where are they going to go? Those are the best characters left... IM3 would be a rehash of those characters (like POTC 3 was). Or they'd just do Justin Hammers/Dynamo/Titanium Man... which is a rehash of the first one... either way it would feature an overload of villains ala X-3 and SM3 with no character development... Avengers gives you a chance to expand the universe and touch upon some of these other villains before you can spin them back into other solo endeavors. As I said in another thread... you can use Avengers to springboard MODOK in IM3. Something along those lines.

[Raiden]

Isn't the plan to have War Machine in IM2 though?

The problem is Favs made IM too good. It can only go downhill from here. :wow::hehe:

Well, I read an interview from Terrence Howard and he said that he thinks WM will show up in IM3, which I think it makes good sense. In IM2, we can have the Demon storyline, and Rhodey briefly suits up while Stark deals with his alcoholism. In IM3, Stark would finish with WM, and gives it to Rhodey, and we'd be treated to IM/WM team up. It'd also set up the eventual spin-off of WM with the departure of Downey (I doubt he'd be willing to be IM after 4 films). WM in IM2 would rush the storyline too much and distracts the movie with too many suits.

[Asteroid-Man]

No, Favs said he won't do a third because he's seen that the pattern goes

Part 1: Good
Part 2: Amazing
Part 3: Crap

So he's gonna do Part 1 and 2 and then make Avengers be like apart 3.

That being said, it looks like Warmachine will be in IM2

[Asteroid-Man]

Well, I read an interview from Terrence Howard and he said that he thinks WM will show up in IM3, which I think it makes good sense. In IM2, we can have the Demon storyline, and Rhodey briefly suits up while Stark deals with his alcoholism. In IM3, Stark would finish with WM, and gives it to Rhodey, and we'd be treated to IM/WM team up. It'd also set up the eventual spin-off of WM with the departure of Downey (I doubt he'd be willing to be IM after 4 films). WM in IM2 would rush the storyline too much and distracts the movie with too many suits.
Yeah but Iron Man has A LOT of suits already... besides all they need to do really, is to recolor the March 3 and add rockets and a machine gun to the shoulders. You heard the crowd cheer when Rhodes looked at the M2 suit in IM didn't you? Our crowd went WILD and it was the 1:00 pm showing mind you.

[FlawlessVictory]

Well, I read an interview from Terrence Howard and he said that he thinks WM will show up in IM3, which I think it makes good sense. In IM2, we can have the Demon storyline, and Rhodey briefly suits up while Stark deals with his alcoholism. In IM3, Stark would finish with WM, and gives it to Rhodey, and we'd be treated to IM/WM team up. It'd also set up the eventual spin-off of WM with the departure of Downey (I doubt he'd be willing to be IM after 4 films). WM in IM2 would rush the storyline too much and distracts the movie with too many suits.

I totally agree with you. I would much rather have it play it out that way, with WM appearing in IM3. I would hate for IM2 to become crowded in any way. I trust Fav (how can one not), that IM2 won't suffer b/c of there being no IM3 but I am still a bit cautious. I never thought Spider-Man 3 would turn out the way it did after the greatness of Spider-Man 2 with the same director but it did, so one never knows.

[Figs]

No, Favs said he won't do a third because he's seen that the pattern goes

Part 1: Good
Part 2: Amazing
Part 3: Crap

So he's gonna do Part 1 and 2 and then make Avengers be like apart 3.

That being said, it looks like Warmachine will be in IM2


While I loved Iron Man and think Favreau did an outstanding job...that's basically him saying he doesn't have faith in himself.

If anything look at the pattern of thirds, X3, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3 all made a grip of money. It's just in terms of quality they weren't that good.

It would be nice to see either Favreau or Nolan step up to try and break the Trilogy curse since both X-men and Spider-man failed at that.

[Donald Thomas]

this film aint gonna do 300 mill... it's already running on less steam despite fantastic numbers... 280 mill tops...

Aloha,
Not sure where you're geting your information. As of May19, in it's third week, the movie has made 222 million.This movie is a major sucess story for Marvel and super hero movies.
Spidey rules

[Angeloz]

I'm hoping the current Batman films do that first.

Angeloz

[Raiden]

While I loved Iron Man and think Favreau did an outstanding job...that's basically him saying he doesn't have faith in himself.

If anything look at the pattern of thirds, X3, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3 all made a grip of money. It's just in terms of quality they weren't that good.

It would be nice to see either Favreau or Nolan step up to try and break the Trilogy curse since both X-men and Spider-man failed at that.

Yeah, if Nolan is going to make a 3rd Batman movie, I don't understand why Favearu won't. 3rd movie can be good, like Indy 3: LC. If Fav has a good story and everyone's on board, IM3 will become a great movie. There's no such thing as a curse for the 3rd movie.

[Fanticon]

I still get the feeling that TIH will flop and eat into IM's profits. What is TIH's production budget?

[FaT_tONle]

They can make the third... it will just be after Avengers... as I said RDJ may back out by then but that is beyond our control... I doubt Avengers will be continuing the stories of WM and Potts and Mandarin... its just an event involving RDJ's character but it won't be continuing the major movie arc that Favs is setting up here. You can always make one more if the price is right and the story is there and Avengers will have very little impact on that because it won't affect the other supporting characters.

[Figs]

Yeah, if Nolan is going to make a 3rd Batman movie, I don't understand why Favearu won't. 3rd movie can be good, like Indy 3: LC. If Fav has a good story and everyone's on board, IM3 will become a great movie. There's no such thing as a curse for the 3rd movie.


That curse I think was made up to just apply to comic films.

As you said IJ3 was great, and I thought Back to the Future was a solid trilogy as well. Same with Die Hard for that matter, before they decided to make a fourth(since it's not a trilogy anymore).

I still get the feeling that TIH will flop and eat into IM's profits. What is TIH's production budget?

I hope it doesn't flop.

I have a good feeling it won't do amazing numbers but I hope it does fair and at the very least makes it's budget back. I want Marvel to push Iron Man 2 as well as Cpt. America and Thor.

[Angeloz]

I still get the feeling that TIH will flop and eat into IM's profits. What is TIH's production budget?

Don't know. What do you mean eat into? From the Marvel/Comic fans?

Angeloz

[Angeloz]

That curse I think was made up to just apply to comic films.

As you said IJ3 was great, and I thought Back to the Future was a solid trilogy as well. Same with Die Hard for that matter, before they decided to make a fourth(since it's not a trilogy anymore).

There's "Alien 3" and "Star Trek III".




I hope it doesn't flop.

I have a good feeling it won't do amazing numbers but I hope it does fair and at the very least makes it's budget back. I want Marvel to push Iron Man 2 as well as Cpt. America and Thor.

If the teenagers like the computer fight it might make money. I'll admit I'm not a teenager and it meh so far.

Angeloz

[TLH]

Just got my back and read about the $31.2 mill third weekend. That's fantastic; the film stands a serious chance at $300 million now, especially with the long weekend coming up.

[TheVileOne]

When did Favreau say that about there being 3 movies and the third being crap?

What about Prisoner of Azkaban? What about Rocky 3? What about Return of the King?

[TLH]

When did Favreau say that about there being 3 movies and the third being crap?

What about Prisoner of Azkaban? What about Rocky 3? What about Return of the King?

"It's very difficult to keep these franchises from running out of gas after two [movies]. The high point seems to be the second one, judging by history: If you just look at the consensus in the reviews, you see that X-Men 2 and Spider-Man 2 are sort of seen by the fans as the sort of high point of both franchises, though I don't necessarily agree with that. But to be able to fold it into an Avengers is something you just couldn't do in another studio, and I think what Marvel is about is stuff you can't do at a bigger studio. They gave me tremendous creative freedom; they gave me tremendous freedom in casting, at the end of the day. Even though there was concern, they ultimately backed a decision [to hire Downey to play Tony Stark] that I don't think a studio would've, and now they're benefiting from having that nimble creative team. And that's, honestly, the most attractive aspect of working with them again."

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198027_3,00.html

[FlawlessVictory]

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[FaT_tONle]

When did Favreau say that about there being 3 movies and the third being crap?

What about Prisoner of Azkaban? What about Rocky 3? What about Return of the King?

This is what he said a week or so back.

I think that was a very, very clever way to keep the dialogue going with the fans, because if you don't have any tricks up your sleeve, they feel like they've already seen the whole movie (http://www.**************.com/news/articles/4500.asp#) before they did.” And the tie-in with The Avengers wasn’t just to please the fans. “I think [The Avengers] would be a very smart third film in the Iron Man series. It's very difficult to keep these franchises from running out of gas after two [movies (http://www.**************.com/news/articles/4500.asp#)]. The high point seems to be the second one, judging by history.


Guess I was a little late on that one... :csad:

[TheVileOne]

What Favreau said is clearly different than the generalized view that was taken earlier.

[FaT_tONle]

No one is saying all third installments stink... we are saying we'd rather have Avengers first because that's the bigger priority. I don't think IM 2 will suffer b/c of it unless they decide to just cram whatever they can into it. They should leave it open to a third solo installment as I said. But just because WM and Mandarin are in the sequel doesn't mean it will be too jam packed.

[kedrell]

While I loved Iron Man and think Favreau did an outstanding job...that's basically him saying he doesn't have faith in himself.

If anything look at the pattern of thirds, X3, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3 all made a grip of money. It's just in terms of quality they weren't that good.

It would be nice to see either Favreau or Nolan step up to try and break the Trilogy curse since both X-men and Spider-man failed at that.

Fav has publicly stated that he's more interested in how the films are received critically and by fan WOM rather than how much $ they make.

[TheVileOne]

I dunno . . . it could mean that. Everyone thought X-men 3 and Spider-man 3 were too jam-packed.

But it looks like Marvel is planning for Avengers to be the third movie.

But can they really do War Machine, Mandarin, Demon in a battle, PLUS intro-ing Thor, and leading into Avengers all in one movie?

[TheVileOne]

Favreau said he didn't necessarily agree with the views of X2, Spidey 2 being the high points and the thirds being the low points.

But I mean look, these are franchise characters. And the bottom line is an important part of these movies. You don't spend hundreds of million on these movies to get a barely even profit. They are made to get a TON of profit.

[FaT_tONle]

I dunno . . . it could mean that. Everyone thought X-men 3 and Spider-man 3 were too jam-packed.

But it looks like Marvel is planning for Avengers to be the third movie.

But can they really do War Machine, Mandarin, Demon in a battle, PLUS intro-ing Thor, and leading into Avengers all in one movie?

We don't know if the THor thing is legit or if it is after credit... if he is in it (for an extended period) then we are in trouble... frankly I think you can fit it in. Sort of like the SM2 storyline. Have IM be publicly criticized by the reporters... maybe he gives up the gig half way in... WM takes over and takes out some of Mandarin's terrorists cells and earns the public's trust... Rhodes gets captured by Mandarin... IM comes in again at the end.

[EternalMaster]

I dunno . . . it could mean that. Everyone thought X-men 3 and Spider-man 3 were too jam-packed.

But it looks like Marvel is planning for Avengers to be the third movie.

But can they really do War Machine, Mandarin, Demon in a battle, PLUS intro-ing Thor, and leading into Avengers all in one movie?

Yeah. Thor will probably be after the credits like Nick Fury's intro.

Mandarin would be intro'd as the new villain. Considering Iron Man's intro is out of the way, plenty of time for a new villain intro. Rhodes has already been intro'd. To fit in War Machine, all they need is for Stark to succumb to alcoholism. He's too much of a wreck to fight the good fight. Rhodes dons the Iron Man armor to fill in for Tony. He'd probably be the one to battle the Mandarin early on.

Later in the film, Tony has sobered up. Tony and Rhodes team up to fight the Mandarin, and most likely, they save the day. Through the support of his friends, Tony beats the demon in the bottle, and then with the help of a friend, he defeats the villain.

Credits roll... then we get a short scene where Thor is introduced. One month later, Thor's movie is released, and Marvel fans across the globe rejoice.

[yoshimura]

I think Avengers will be somewhat of a cumulative story binding the progression that each super hero made in their own respect movies (Hulk, Cap, IM & Thor).

So War Machine or Mandarin could show up in the Avengers movie.

[webs]

Actual $31,838,996 ..!!! :woot:

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah. Thor will probably be after the credits like Nick Fury's intro.

Mandarin would be intro'd as the new villain. Considering Iron Man's intro is out of the way, plenty of time for a new villain intro. Rhodes has already been intro'd. To fit in War Machine, all they need is for Stark to succumb to alcoholism. He's too much of a wreck to fight the good fight. Rhodes dons the Iron Man armor to fill in for Tony. He'd probably be the one to battle the Mandarin early on.

Later in the film, Tony has sobered up. Tony and Rhodes team up to fight the Mandarin, and most likely, they save the day. Through the support of his friends, Tony beats the demon in the bottle, and then with the help of a friend, he defeats the villain.

Credits roll... then we get a short scene where Thor is introduced. One month later, Thor's movie is released, and Marvel fans across the globe rejoice.

:word: 'nuff said! :up:

[Fanticon]

Don't know. What do you mean eat into? From the Marvel/Comic fans?

Angeloz

Iron Man and Incredible Hulk are Marvel Studios launch titles...they were given a $500 Million dollar loan for start up...assuming this is how it works...they are on track pay that off with Iron Man alone...thats a great start! But if Hulk breaks even or flops...everything will lay on Iron Man for now for their financial stability...really thats just one way of looking at it...but what I mean is they are celebrating early with Iron Man...which is fine...but Hulk might be a buzzkill if (and only if) it flops.

[explode7]

^:wow: I didn't know that. So all rides on the hulk then? I really hope it doesn't flop. I'm beginning to think maybe MARVEL should have gone with just Iron Man this year alone but not even MARVEL was expecting this huge success from Iron Man.

[TLH]

If The Incredible Hulk is a decent movie, I think it can do well. Iron Man has given more interest to Marvel films, so I think it's fair to say that some people who saw Iron Man might associate/expect good things from TIH. If the first Hulk proved anything, it's that the comic book hero has an audience (given the strong opening weekend) and that he needs a good film so that there is not a huge drop off at the box office after the opening weekend.

[Fanticon]

^:wow: I didn't know that. So all rides on the hulk then? I really hope it doesn't flop. I'm beginning to think maybe MARVEL should have gone with just Iron Man this year alone but not even MARVEL was expecting this huge success from Iron Man.

Not everything rides on Hulk I guess...I just think that releasing both of these movies in the same summer is a mistake...as a fan I'm supporting it no matter what...but I have my doubts about the rest of the general public going to see this. TIH just isn't looking like its on course to do more than Ang Lee's Hulk...that movie came out just as Comic Book movies were taking off and every studio had to have one for the summer...even that one felt like a big tentpole movie...like it belonged in the summer of movies...TIH is just not giving me that feeling. I don't know...kinda hard to explain.

[TheVileOne]

I'm just curious. How does the distribution deal work with Paramount? Meaning for a movie like Iron Man, how much of the profits does Paramount get? Does Paramount mainly want their name attached to the movie for the distribution? Not sure. Also overseas BO, future DVD sales, etc., where that goes.

I imagine that Marvel gets most of it, since I believe part of the point was that they wanted to share less of the profits with the big studios producing the other movies.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2008&wknd=20&p=.htm

Weekend actuals. Iron Man ends up being a little bigger, and Narnia ends up being a little LOWER. Wow. Iron Man was up to $223 million for the weekend. Weekdays will pad out the gross up to about $230 million considering the weekday floor for Iron Man is about $3.1 million. So figure in about $2-2.5 million for 4 days and that comes out to about . . . $8-10 million. Meaning by Friday, Iron Man will have gone past $230 million US easily.

Iron Man is also the more dominant movie overseas as well.

By the weekend Iron Man will surpass the US gross for X-men 3. And soon X-men 3's worldwide gross as well. Already surpassed the US,foreign, and worldwide grosses of Batman Begins, Superman Returns, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2.

The way I see it, no matter what happens with the Hulk, Marvel is in a very good position by Iron Man alone. I think the Hulk will do OK at this point provided people aren't tired out after Iron Man.

One thing I do want to point out though. In almost every summer where you have two big super hero movies or more. The first one out usually does the best business, and the second one does nowhere near as well.

Just saying:

2003 - X-men, then The Hulk
2004 - Spider-man 2, then Catwoman
2005 - Batman Begins, then Fantastic Four
2006 - X-men 3, then Superman Returns
2007 - Spider-man 3, then Fantastic Four 2

This year:

2008 - Iron Man, then The Incredible Hulk, then Dark Knight

It could be potentially negative for Hulk and Batman that they come out after Iron Man. They don't have the prestige of being that first movie out the gate to rock the summer to its start.

[Fanticon]

^^^
Exactly. X2 came out, huge hit...then Hulk (another Marvel character) has to compete with that...It might seem positive at first...people thinking Marvel is unstoppable 1 hit after another and then...things turn mediocre. Spiderman 3 then FF2...its a pattern...we shouldn't look at it as Marvel vs. Marvel...but thats what happens in box office figures...its movie studio vs. other movie studio...bad move on Marvel's part imo. We'll see I guess...but when talking Iron Man and Hulk...and them both being Marvel...they are way to close...only a month apart...Iron Man and TDK...enough space between them...and almost no competition...TDK will out-gross Iron Man...also imo.

[Fanticon]

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[Fanticon]

After today Iron Man will surpass US gross for X-men 3.

actually...X3's total domestic is 234m, so IM will pass it by this weekend for sure.

[TheVileOne]

Right, thanks for the correction, I was getting too eager in thinking ahead :D .

Either way, Iron Man is about to repulsor blast X-men 3's BO.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that TDK is going to have trouble outgrossing Iron Man. Everbody thought that SR would outgross X3 and it didn't.

[kedrell]

One thing I do want to point out though. In almost every summer where you have two big super hero movies or more. The first one out usually does the best business, and the second one does nowhere near as well.

Just saying:

2003 - X-men, then The Hulk
2004 - Spider-man 2, then Catwoman
2005 - Batman Begins, then Fantastic Four
2006 - X-men 3, then Superman Returns
2007 - Spider-man 3, then Fantastic Four 2

This year:

2008 - Iron Man, then The Incredible Hulk, then Dark Knight

There are more than 3 this summer. There are 5 not also counting the comic adaption of Wanted. I believe one of them, most likely HB2 or Wanted, will end up taking the fall this year. TIH will be profitable for Marvel, mark my words and be enough to secure a sequel.

[kedrell]

I think that TDK is going to have trouble outgrossing Iron Man. Everbody thought that SR would outgross X3 and it didn't.

On this I agree with you. I've seen nothing to make me think TDK will get past 275-280M DOM and about 500-550M WW. IM should be able to edge it out with 300M DOM and 600M WW. Still pretty close, relatively speaking.

[El KnightoDarko]

One thing I do want to point out though. In almost every summer where you have two big super hero movies or more. The first one out usually does the best business, and the second one does nowhere near as well.

Just saying:

2003 - X-men, then The Hulk
2004 - Spider-man 2, then Catwoman
2005 - Batman Begins, then Fantastic Four
2006 - X-men 3, then Superman Returns
2007 - Spider-man 3, then Fantastic Four 2

This year:

2008 - Iron Man, then The Incredible Hulk, then Dark Knight

It could be potentially negative for Hulk and Batman that they come out after Iron Man. They don't have the prestige of being that first movie out the gate to rock the summer to its start.

I think you'll concede that none of those movies had the kind of hype TDK has right now.

I just saw Iron Man yesterday, gotta say, it's one of the best comic book movies I've seen! Highly entertaining!

[TheVileOne]

There are more than 3 this summer. There are 5 not also counting the comic adaption of Wanted. I believe one of them, most likely HB2 or Wanted, will end up taking the fall this year. TIH will be profitable for Marvel, mark my words and be enough to secure a sequel.

Hancock isn't based on any comic.

[flickchick85]

Do you guys think the general public associates a particular studio with these movies? Frankly, I think they look at them and just see "Superhero movie," NOT "Marvel movie." If that's the case, then the question is whether or not Iron Man upped their interest in superhero movies, not Marvel movies. I think those saying TIH will be helped by people's newly found faith in Marvel may be overestimating the general public's knowledge of Marvel Studios.

[terry78]

Most people can't tell the difference between Marvel and DC, Disney and Dreamworks, etc. It was like back in the day when every single video game was basically called "Nintendo." They just know it's a certain genre, and don't care who's behind it.

[TheVileOne]

Do you guys think the general public associates a particular studio with these movies? Frankly, I think they look at them and just see "Superhero movie," NOT "Marvel movie." If that's the case, then the question is whether or not Iron Man upped their interest in superhero movies, not Marvel movies. I think those saying TIH will be helped by people's newly found faith in Marvel may be overestimating the general public's knowledge of Marvel Studios.
Yup. Brandnames are a huge deal for these companies. Especially Disney. Why do you think Pixar ultimately stayed with Disney? That's the brandname that built them up and made them what they are.

[flickchick85]

Yeah, but Marvel's not Disney. It takes YEARS for a movie studio to develop a brand name like that. Of course, Marvel already IS a brand name, but only to comic-book readers, who were already their built-in audience. And Pixar stayed with Disney because they were essentially put in charge. They were already a brand name in their own right.

ETA: When I said "these movies," I was referring to superhero flicks. I know that the public is familiar with Disney, and what a Disney film is. But do you think they know what movies are made by Paramount? Universal? You think they go to a movie because "Paramount's been on a roll lately, so this one will probably be good?" I don't. And I don't think they'll go to see a movie because "It's Marvel, and so far, they're 1 for 1." Of course it means everything to the companies, but not to the general public.

[TheVileOne]

Marvel is now a brand name for movie characters whether you like it or not. When they put all these bold logo or studio logos in front of their movies they are BRANDING the characters as theirs and telling the audience who these characters belong to.

When I went to elementary school, most kids knew the difference between Marvel and DC characters. I think you aren't giving people enough credit when you generalize and say people are stupid and not know who does any of these characters.

[flickchick85]

Um, I'm not saying anyone's stupid for not knowing these characters. I DON'T KNOW THESE CHARACTERS. Not their comic incarnations, anyway.

And the debate here isn't whether Marvel is a brand name, because duh, whoever owns the character and puts their name in front of it is a brand name. The debate is whether or not people CARE about that brand name at this point, and I'm arguing that the general public probably doesn't. You obviously disagree, and that's what makes the world go 'round.

ETA: to clarify: I think the general public look at these and see "Superhero movie," and thus compare them to all the other superhero movies, or ones that are similar in tone/style. I don't think they look at them as "Marvel movies," and base their judgement/interest on what they thought of other Marvel movies.

[Dotten]

Indy is up to 80% at RT. Thats pretty good (not as good as Iron Man, but not far from it). It's getting a tremendous buzz here in Norway. Iron Man handled Narnia and Speed Racer excellent, but i think Indy will take over the torch from next weekend on.

Indy has Harrison Ford supposedly back in his best acting shape, not seen for about 20 years. Even the "bad" reviews point that out. He is the Man with big M and for fans that part will be very important. Finally Ford is back in shape. So I think Indy will do very good now, I really hope so. Iron Man has done great witch is good, but I hope Indy will do just as good.

And the new TV-spots for TIH are incredible. The vast improvement in CGI has shut up even the nitpickers and it looks like an actionpack blockbuster movie. I hope that does well also.

But Iron Man will still be strong at the BO. :)

[Angeloz]

Iron Man and Incredible Hulk are Marvel Studios launch titles...they were given a $500 Million dollar loan for start up...assuming this is how it works...they are on track pay that off with Iron Man alone...thats a great start! But if Hulk breaks even or flops...everything will lay on Iron Man for now for their financial stability...really thats just one way of looking at it...but what I mean is they are celebrating early with Iron Man...which is fine...but Hulk might be a buzzkill if (and only if) it flops.

Thank you so much for elaborating. Even if "The Incredible Hulk" flops. I suspect it might break even. It might have to rely on DVD sales. Of course that's being pessimistic. It all depends on whether teenagers like the CGI fight. I don't I'll admit. So the only hope for it is if they have good character moments. I'll also admit the first trailer didn't make me want to see it. Time will tell.

If The Incredible Hulk is a decent movie, I think it can do well. Iron Man has given more interest to Marvel films, so I think it's fair to say that some people who saw Iron Man might associate/expect good things from TIH. If the first Hulk proved anything, it's that the comic book hero has an audience (given the strong opening weekend) and that he needs a good film so that there is not a huge drop off at the box office after the opening weekend.

That's true to some extent. But I think the general audience take each film on it's merits usually. When I wasn't here I didn't care if it was Marvel or DC (even though I did read some comics ten years ago so I knew who was what on a lot of them). Actually I still don't care - I just have more awareness on some things. I just look for if it was a good film or not (before and after being here). I'll point out I know more about DC because of other media exposure (TV, film and other stuff). But I haven't seen "Catwoman". Nor several other films. Some I saw on video ("Daredevil"; "Batman & Robin"). I was burned on "Superman IV" when I was younger. It made me cautious. Plus even on video "Batman & Robin" made me more so. I think the teenage years are when if you have the opportunity to see lots of films and then find out what appeals and what doesn't. I know I'm far more picky. If I can't stand the trailer or clips then I don't see it. I aslo don't bother if I'm inifferent. Plus DVD has meant if I'm unsure I wait. Sorry this wasn't meant to be just about me. But I think it can apply to others although people have different taste.

I think if good "The Incredible Hulk" could be like "Batman Begins". A non-spectacular opening but with steady business. If bad it'll drop. Unless it appeals to the teenage market. But even they have limits (I know I did).

Angeloz

[Heretic]

I just dont see how Hulk can do big numbers. No one was really excited for the first film, and it left a bad taste in the mouths of most who saw it. All of the press Im reading about the new film talks about how bad the first one was and lowers expectations for the new one.

If Marvel is smart then they will take that one brief scene with Stark and Fury and plaster it on every commercial.

[FaT_tONle]

I just dont see how Hulk can do big numbers. No one was really excited for the first film, and it left a bad taste in the mouths of most who saw it. All of the press Im reading about the new film talks about how bad the first one was and lowers expectations for the new one.

If Marvel is smart then they will take that one brief scene with Stark and Fury and plaster it on every commercial.

Nah you don't spoil the cameos by putting them in a trailer... cameos won't save a movie anyway... Stark will be after the credit anyway I am pretty sure... and Fury won't be in it. You can't spoil the one good suprise you got going for the general audience by putting it in a TV spot. Most of the new Iron Man audience are aware of what the deal is with Stark and the Hulk and what not. This rumor has appeared everywhere. Hulk should still do a good 60-70 opening weekend just because of that. The legs will depend on the critical perception of the film.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hulk isn't making 70mil in it's opening weekend.

[Heretic]

There is virtually NO excitement for Hulk in the general public, and outside of comic book related websites I havent seen anything mentioning the Stark cameo.

[Raiden]

There is virtually NO excitement for Hulk in the general public, and outside of comic book related websites I havent seen anything mentioning the Stark cameo.

Marvel needs to step up the marketing for Hulk.

[Heretic]

Hulk wont open huge. It just wont. And since it will fail to do Iron Man numbers, the media will immediately brand it a bomb and deride it, which of course will hurt its take in subsequent days.

[FaT_tONle]

There is virtually NO excitement for Hulk in the general public, and outside of comic book related websites I havent seen anything mentioning the Stark cameo.

Was there a whole lot of excitement for Iron Man? I mean there was little Hype. Just seemed like the next comic book film. The fact that it opened as big as it did tells me there is a wide spread comic book movie fan base in the public right now... comic book films are in everyone's top three summer movies these days... and TDK will still be a month away. I don't think the competition is that strong to be honest. The comedies look extremely weak and Shamylan can't make a movie for the life of him these days. I just don't see how the film is going to be that far off from a 60-70 openings. You are only talking 20 million each day.

[Heretic]

Comic Book movies were pretty hot back when Ang lees Hulk came out too...and howd that work out?

The public didnt like that movie, as try as they might, marvel cant erase that movie from peoples minds. All of my local press is calling this a sequel...which isnt good (or accurate).

Iron man did not have the negative thoughts attached to it. Heck, my best friend LOVES The Hulk...its his favorite comic character (and he owns thousands of comics) and he isnt going to bother to see this movie.

[fallenAngel]

There is virtually NO excitement for Hulk in the general public, and outside of comic book related websites I havent seen anything mentioning the Stark cameo.

The entertainment weekly's summer movie preview talked about the cameo. They also had a large preview of the movie, but it focussed a lot on the conflict between Norton and Marvel so it was kind of a buzz kill.

[FaT_tONle]

Comic Book movies were pretty hot back when Ang lees Hulk came out too...and howd that work out?

The public didnt like that movie, as try as they might, marvel cant erase that movie from peoples minds. All of my local press is calling this a sequel...which isnt good (or accurate).

Iron man did not have the negative thoughts attached to it. Heck, my best friend LOVES The Hulk...its his favorite comic character (and he owns thousands of comics) and he isnt going to bother to see this movie.

The positive reviews can not explain the opening weekend like that.... yes the marketing for IM was very good, but still... The interest in Marvel movies was there. At the very least... I think people understand this is a new take on the Hulk and even then... it might be called a loose sequel. Is that going to hurt the movie's bankability? Absolutely. But the point is the interest is still there for a solid opening weekend. At least 60 million. Because the general public is interested in the Marvel name. The fact that Batman Begins (DC's first MAJOR attempt at a comeback) was not a Marvel name... plus the Schumaker factor... it took an amazing film just to make 200 million. So TIH won't match that. It will basically need stellar reviews to make it to 180. But to say that 180 is a massive reach... it isn't. Just by the fact that the interest was still there in Batman after FOUR movies... TIH should be a lock for 160 million IMO.

[CaptainStacy]

Nah you don't spoil the cameos by putting them in a trailer... cameos won't save a movie anyway... Stark will be after the credit anyway I am pretty sure... and Fury won't be in it. You can't spoil the one good suprise you got going for the general audience by putting it in a TV spot. Most of the new Iron Man audience are aware of what the deal is with Stark and the Hulk and what not. This rumor has appeared everywhere. Hulk should still do a good 60-70 opening weekend just because of that. The legs will depend on the critical perception of the film.

And word of mouth.

[Raiden]

I think if TIH has positive reviews, it'd help it to have a big opening like IM, and erase many people bad memory of the first Hulk movie. BB had to overcome stigma of B&R as well, but Nolan was able to produce a quality film that got people excited over Batman again. I think TIH has the same opportunity to do likewise.

[TLH]

I think if TIH has positive reviews, it'd help it to have a big opening like IM, and erase many people bad memory of the first Hulk movie. BB had to overcome stigma of B&R as well, but Nolan was able to produce a quality film that got people excited over Batman again. I think TIH has the same opportunity to do likewise.

I doubt it would match IM, but there's no reason (if the film has well received and has good word-of-mouth) that it can't match the first Hulk's $62 million opening weekend and then go on to actually live up to that opening weekend by crossing $200 million domestic.

[Figs]

As long as TIH makes it's budget back in the theatres that should be fine for Marvel since it's DVD life will be much larger.

I have a damn good feeling the people that won't see this in the theatre because they didn't like the last one will still be curious enough to give it a rental.

[TLH]

Whoa, $3.0 million on Monday for Iron Man, down only 20% from last Monday. Amazing. This film is doing great.

[explode7]

IMO I think Iron Man is not only going to be the top comic book movie in terms of Box Office and reviews but the top movie of the year in terms of Box Office and reviews.

[NoirMan82]

I don't see why people have so little faith in TIH. Hulk 03 had an 86 million opening, the fact that the movie wasn't great was responsible for the drop off. I've already heard people say,"wow, this looks better than the first one", or "that looks cool!" while watching the trailer. In my eyes, if Hulk does less than 200 mil it's Mavel's and Universal's fault for undermarketing the film. It's less than a month away and there are no promos or tv spots in good rotation. Fact is people love Hulk, he has a HUGE fan base. Kids love him, adults love him. If Marvel makes a solid movie and promote the damn thing, it should do fine.

[Iron_Stark]

^^Ang's Hulk actually had a 62 million opening, but yeah I agree with the rest of your post.

I think the people that have seen Iron Man and liked it will probably end up seeing Hulk. Especially those that've seen Iron Man multiple times.

[FlawlessVictory]

^^Ang's Hulk actually had a 62 million opening, but yeah I agree with the rest of your post.

I think the people that have seen Iron Man and liked it will probably end up seeing Hulk. Especially those that've seen Iron Man multiple times.

Everyone that has seen IM has liked it. So that means Hulk will be making near $300 mil? :rolleyes::woot:

[Iron_Stark]

Everyone that has seen IM has liked it. So that means Hulk will be making near $300 mil? :rolleyes::woot:

comeone, you know what I mean. I didn't mean everyone.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

TIH is going to have to stand on it's own two big green feet. Iron Man will not help it anymore than Spider-Man helped Hulk.

Edit: Glad to see Iron Man still doing well. The numbers were so good because of a canadian holliday though, it will drop big on tuesday.

[Figs]

I don't see why people have so little faith in TIH. Hulk 03 had an 86 million opening, the fact that the movie wasn't great was responsible for the drop off. I've already heard people say,"wow, this looks better than the first one", or "that looks cool!" while watching the trailer. In my eyes, if Hulk does less than 200 mil it's Mavel's and Universal's fault for undermarketing the film. It's less than a month away and there are no promos or tv spots in good rotation. Fact is people love Hulk, he has a HUGE fan base. Kids love him, adults love him. If Marvel makes a solid movie and promote the damn thing, it should do fine.


I'm going to have to disagree.

First off, I'm not a hater at all...I can't wait to see TIH and hope it does really well at the BO. It's just I'm a realist.

First off for every one of your "wow, this looks better than the first one" or "that looks cool", I've heard a "they're making another one?" or just unexcited silence.

The other thing I disagree with is when you say people love Hulk. Yes, a good number of the GA may like/love Hulk but I hear too much Fanboy in that sentence of yours. I hear it time and time again, we all do actually. I think a good amount of the GA may still like/love the Hulk but it's always comic fans on message boards that will speak about the GA like they all share the same opinion as the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I really can't wait for TIH and am crossing my fingers it will overcome the bad taste left in a lot of people's mouths from the last Hulk film. I just have a feeling it isn't going to do too great.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I agree with everything you just said. Some people at my Iron Man showing laughed at the previews. I'm not saying that that means the movie will bomb though but that means something. For the record I think that the movie looks like decent fun but I still think that it's going to disppoint boxoffice wise.

HellBoy 2 looks fantastic to me but I still think that it's going to have trouble making 70mil. I totally dig Iron Man but I still think that it's going to have serious trouble reaching 300mil, my boxoffice predictions have nothing to do with like or dislike of a film. As i've said time and time again.

[Figs]

^I agree with everything you just said. Some people at my Iron Man showing laughed at the previews. I'm not saying that that means the movie will bomb though but that means something. For the record I think that the movie looks like decent fun but I still think that it's going to disppoint boxoffice wise.

HellBoy 2 looks fantastic to me but I still think that it's going to have trouble making 70mil. I totally dig Iron Man but I still think that it's going to have serious trouble reaching 300mil, my boxoffice predictions have nothing to do with like or dislike of a film. As i've said time and time again.


Exactly!

Iron Man is one of my favorite characters and I'm shocked(in a good way) how well it's doing.

I'm totally excited for TIH as well as HB2 but have a feeling they won't pull in that much.

Surprisingly, the four times I saw Iron Man I heard more excited chatter about Hellboy 2 more so than the Hulk. Not saying HB2 will do better than TIH but just saying I was surprised.

Mainly because from a lot of people I've talked to as well as word of mouth, I didn't know too many people who enjoyed the first film.

[NoirMan82]

I'm going to have to disagree.

First off, I'm not a hater at all...I can't wait to see TIH and hope it does really well at the BO. It's just I'm a realist.

First off for every one of your "wow, this looks better than the first one" or "that looks cool", I've heard a "they're making another one?" or just unexcited silence.

The other thing I disagree with is when you say people love Hulk. Yes, a good number of the GA may like/love Hulk but I hear too much Fanboy in that sentence of yours. I hear it time and time again, we all do actually. I think a good amount of the GA may still like/love the Hulk but it's always comic fans on message boards that will speak about the GA like they all share the same opinion as the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I really can't wait for TIH and am crossing my fingers it will overcome the bad taste left in a lot of people's mouths from the last Hulk film. I just have a feeling it isn't going to do too great.

You can disagree, but I heard what I heard. But to be fair, my area has a high fanboy populous. There are at least 3 nearby comic shops and such. But how many people were wowed by Hulk 03 trailers? And I was wrong about the opening weekend, I must've confused it with another film. I think any movie has the means to do well. Look at movies like Juno, or dear god, Night at the Museum. If that movie did good, anything can make it. Take Ghost Rider even. Fact is people will go see TIH. It's not gonna do IM numbers, but it'll at least trump 150 million. Hulk 03 was 5 years ago and alot of people didn't see it, and those who did didn't outright hate it. There are also kids now who don't know that movie existed that may want to see Hulk. The potential is there, but Marvel has to claim it.

I'm a realist too, but I think these things have more to with pessimism, because realistically, anything can happen.

[Figs]

You can disagree, but I heard what I heard. But to be fair, my area has a high fanboy populous. There are at least 3 nearby comic shops and such. But how many people were wowed by Hulk 03 trailers? And I was wrong about the opening weekend, I must've confused it with another film. I think any movie has the means to do well. Look at movies like Juno, or dear god, Night at the Museum. If that movie did good, anything can make it. Take Ghost Rider even. Fact is people will go see TIH. It's not gonna do IM numbers, but it'll at least trump 150 million. Hulk 03 was 5 years ago and alot of people didn't see it, and those who did didn't outright hate it. There are also kids now who don't know that movie existed that may want to see Hulk. The potentila is there, but Marvel has to claim it.


I definitely agree that the potential is there for TIH and Marvel has to claim it.

My opinions in my posts right above were just from my gut and the vibes I've been getting.

I'm really crossing my fingers hoping that it does better than expected. I'll seriously throw a party with my friends in Marvel's honor.:woot:

[NoirMan82]

I definitely agree that the potential is there for TIH and Marvel has to claim it.

My opinions in my posts right above were just from my gut and the vibes I've been getting.

I'm really crossing my fingers hoping that it does better than expected. I'll seriously throw a party with my friends in Marvel's honor.:woot:

Me too. Good thing is, we'll know pretty soon. I'm just banking on Marvel's brand power. Fact is, every Marvel movie turned a profit. GR made 150 million in profit, and DD around 120 million. Hell; Elektra was 15 million in the green, and thats not including DVD sales. I'm not concerned about TIH being successful, but how successful it will be.

[Fanticon]

My opinions in my posts right above were just from my gut and the vibes I've been getting.

I'm really crossing my fingers hoping that it does better than expected. I'll seriously throw a party with my friends in Marvel's honor.:woot:

Same here...no one clapped or applauded for the Hulk preview Thursday first showing of Iron Man...everyone there was an Iron Man, Marvel or straight up movie fan for going to that packed sold out first showing...and for the Marvel movie previewed just before it to not get clapping, cheers, hoots, hollering or applause was not a good sign. Just a gut feeling and the overall vibe I'm getting. The Dark Knight got all the attention from the audience after it previewed with IM....and that gave me goosebumps...the clapping and cheering and chatter for that poured over into the next preview.

[TheVileOne]

How can anyone not believe in $300 million now? $230 million by Thursday easily. It could possibly even surpass X-men 3's whole domestic take by Friday.

Iron Man still has gas left in the tank.

[flickchick85]

I'm getting those "vibes" too about the Hulk. Iron Man just felt like it was going to be a hit. I mean, a good indicator is that fake story The Onion did about making a movie out of the "wildly popular" Iron Man trailer. It just got people excited, just like the initial, hugely buzzed-about comic-con footage. The Incredible Hulk just isn't getting that kind of buzz, as far as I can see. I want it to be a good movie, and if it is, I want it to do well, but I'm just not anticipating huge box-office success for that one.

[Docker2.0]

Dang it Flickchick! Believe gf! :cmad: Seriously, I'm getting that vibe looking at the trailer as well. Part of me thinks Marvel is thinking the same thing. They really waited to late to market this thing. IM had trailers MONTHS in advance and we are just now getting them for the Hulk.

[TLH]

How can anyone not believe in $300 million now? $230 million by Thursday easily. It could possibly even surpass X-men 3's whole domestic take by Friday.

Iron Man still has gas left in the tank.

Oh, I believe in $300 million. Here's the way I figure it. Right now it has $226 million...
Tuesday: 2.5
Wednesday: 2.3
Thursday: 2.2
-------
$232 million before the weekend

Friday: $5.3
Saturday: $6.0
Sunday: $5.0
Monday: $4.7
-------
$253 million after the long weekend...

And then the crawl to $300 million. It will come close, and I would guess just barely fall short or just barely eclipse it. I hope it does. I've been doing box office work for a long time (just for fun) and it has a decent shot but needs to keep exceeding expectations.

[TheVileOne]

Honestly Trunks, I think your Memorial Day weekend estimates are too conservative. Yes, even with Indy 4 and Narnia in its second weekend.

I think Iron Man can get as high as $20 million for the Friday-Saturday period.

Look at the big increase Iron Man had on last Saturday. And it had a bigger Sunday than Friday.

[Figs]

I don't see why people have so little faith in TIH. Hulk 03 had an 86 million opening, the fact that the movie wasn't great was responsible for the drop off. I've already heard people say,"wow, this looks better than the first one", or "that looks cool!" while watching the trailer. In my eyes, if Hulk does less than 200 mil it's Mavel's and Universal's fault for undermarketing the film. It's less than a month away and there are no promos or tv spots in good rotation. Fact is people love Hulk, he has a HUGE fan base. Kids love him, adults love him. If Marvel makes a solid movie and promote the damn thing, it should do fine.


Just had to respond to this because I saw another TV spot for TIH. There actually showing them during some fairly popular/big shows on TV.

This week is Indiana's last push for it's release. I really think next week not to mention this weekend possible they will step it up and start showing them more often. Personally, I think they have been doing a pretty good job with the TV spots.

They haven't been slamming it into people's faces but they come on fairly often.

[TLH]

Honestly Trunks, I think your Memorial Day weekend estimates are too conservative. Yes, even with Indy 4 and Narnia in its second weekend.

I think Iron Man can get as high as $20 million for the Friday-Saturday period.

Look at the big increase Iron Man had on last Saturday. And it had a bigger Sunday than Friday.

I agree that they are, but I don't want to overload it just yet. I won't be at all surprised if it does better than what I estimate. I can honestly see it taking in as high as $28.5 million over the four day weekend, but that's why I said that the film will have to keep exceeding expectations to make it to $300 million.

[TLH]

$2.2 on Tuesday, bringing the grand total to $228.4 million domestically.

[TheVileOne]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-05-20&p=.htm

Tuesday estimates put Iron Man at $2.2 million, and over $228 million for its total US take. So it will cross $230 million today, and more than likely surpass X-men 3's record by Friday at the latest.

[explode7]

^Even if Iron Man doesn't get to 300M this time around it will definitely get the next time around with the sequel. The sequel is going to be making at least 300M rather than at most like it seems to be shaping up now.

[Fanticon]

Entertainment Weekly pitted IM's total domestic gross at 262.7m...thats pretty precise and it looks like its on course to probably break that.

This weekend I think it could climb to almost 245m or more. It's got plenty of steam still left in it...by June we're gonna start seeing the "see it again" TV ads...I've always enjoyed those :)

[FlawlessVictory]

Entertainment Weekly pitted IM's total domestic gross at 262.7m...thats pretty precise and it looks like its on course to probably break that.

It will breeze by that.

EW has Narnia 2 making $310 mil, looks like they were way off the mark with that one. :hehe:

[kedrell]

Entertainment Weekly pitted IM's total domestic gross at 262.7m...thats pretty precise and it looks like its on course to probably break that.

This weekend I think it could climb to almost 245m or more. It's got plenty of steam still left in it...by June we're gonna start seeing the "see it again" TV ads...I've always enjoyed those :)

It'll nearly be as high as EW's prediction(maybe 5M less) by the end of Memorial Day. If it keeps having the drops from week to week that it's having from week 2-3 then it'll get to 300M sometime in week 6 or 7.

[Docker2.0]

Nope! $280M max. :o And when it doesn't get $300M, I will be here to remind you all(especially you TheVileOne)about how I told you so! :cmad:

[TLH]

Nope! $280M max. :o And when it doesn't get $300M, I will be here to remind you all(especially you TheVileOne)about how I told you so! :cmad:

And when it crosses $280 million, we'll be here to remind you about how you were wrong as well. :oldrazz:

We'll all be wrong. It'll finish in the middle of 280 and 300.

[Visionary]

I see it making 299.9M domestically. Not a penny more.

[Docker2.0]

And when it crosses $280 million, we'll be here to remind you about how you were wrong as well. :oldrazz:

We'll all be wrong. It'll finish in the middle of 280 and 300.
Bring it on!!!! :cmad:

[TheVileOne]

And when it makes over $300 million Docker, you will have a signature of my choice.

Iron Man will break the EW prediction in its fifth weekend.

[Docker2.0]

And if it doesn't you get the sig of my choice! :hehe: So how about we cap this off in 2 weeks then? Deal?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Another bet. Ahh, I have one concerning The Incredible Hulk's gross with Matt and Showtime as you can see by my sig. The loser has to sport a shirtless Tom Welling avatar.

I think you are going to lose but I'm rooting for you TheVileOne.

[Docker2.0]

*sigh* Everyone is against me but it's fine. :(

[kedrell]

Another bet. Ahh, I have one concerning The Incredible Hulk's gross with Matt and Showtime as you can see by my sig. The loser has to sport a shirtless Tom Welling avatar.

I think you are going to lose but I'm rooting for you TheVileOne.

I'm 90% sure you're gonna lose that bet SPIDEY.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm 90% sure you're gonna lose that bet SPIDEY.I'm 90% sure I'm not. Ang Lee's Hulk damaged the brand too badly, the movie's release date isn't great and did I mention how much Ang Lee's Hulk was disliked? Too early for a sequel.:oldrazz: I'm thinking 40mil opening and under 100mil or just a tad bit over. Less than the first one.:oldrazz:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

*sigh* Everyone is against me but it's fine. :(Technically I'm not against you.:o

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm 90% sure I'm not. Ang Lee's Hulk damaged the brand too badly, the movie's release date isn't great and did I mention how much Ang Lee's Hulk was disliked? Too early for a sequel.:oldrazz: I'm thinking 40mil opening and under 100mil or just a tad bit over. Less than the first one.:oldrazz:

Too bad it's not a sequel. :oldrazz:

Technically I'm not against you.:o

Your post kinda makes it sound like you think Docker will lose his bet.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Too bad it's not a sequel. :oldrazz:

That was a mistake, even though it looks like a sequel to me I meant to say that it's too early for a reboot.



Your post kinda makes it sound like you think Docker will lose his bet.I said that I thought the Ville would lose but I'm hoping that he won't.

[TheVileOne]

The cap isn't in two weeks Docker. It's when Iron Man is done in theatres. I never said it would have $300 million after 5 or 6 weekends.

[TLH]

$1.9 million on Wednesday, putting the domestic total at $230 million.

Also, interesting fun fact. Iron Man has made more money on 9 of the last 10 days than Spider-Man 3 for the same days of release (days 11-20), and the one day it didn't it fell short by a couple hundred thousand.

[<borkis>]

$1.9 million on Wednesday, putting the domestic total at $230 million.

Also, interesting fun fact. Iron Man has made more money on 9 of the last 10 days than Spider-Man 3 for the same days of release (days 11-20), and the one day it didn't it fell short by a couple hundred thousand.

Yeah... Spider-Man 3 thrived on the quality of the first two films, while Iron Man is standing up on its own. It's really a shame that they messed up SM3 because after SM2, I was sure they were going to hit it out of the park.

[FaT_tONle]

You figure it will slip to the .5-1 mill range next week. This weekend will be key as will the next weekend... Indy probably won't have strong legs. Look for that to drop off... IM realistically needs a 18-22 million weekend and another 10-15 the next weekend... even then that will only push it to 265. Is it really making the other 35 million in between or on subsequent weekends? The first weekend of June it may have to pull in another 8-12 million to make that 35 up.

[<borkis>]

I'm 90% sure I'm not. Ang Lee's Hulk damaged the brand too badly, the movie's release date isn't great and did I mention how much Ang Lee's Hulk was disliked? Too early for a sequel.:oldrazz: I'm thinking 40mil opening and under 100mil or just a tad bit over. Less than the first one.:oldrazz:

I think the brand is resilient enough to dispel bad memories.

There's enough people out there with an appetite to see a really good Hulk movie that if it delivers, the people will come.

I predict just over $200 million domestic and about $375 world-wide.

[explode7]

Hey guys I'm hearing around the net that Indy sucks badly. There's still chance for IM to be the top movie of the summer at the Box Office. :up: :up:

[TLH]

Hey guys I'm hearing around the net that Indy sucks badly. There's still chance for IM to be the top movie of the summer at the Box Office. :up: :up:

I'm hearing that it's awesome. :huh:

[Jick09]

I think the brand is resilient enough to dispel bad memories.

There's enough people out there with an appetite to see a really good Hulk movie that if it delivers, the people will come.

I predict just over $200 million domestic and about $375 world-wide.
I could see it reach 400 milllion

[explode7]

^Yeah me too.

[Jick09]

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[explode7]

haha...I just saw
it already surpassed the 400 millions mark
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm

438 millions worldwide.

I think we were referring to:bh:

[Jick09]

I think we were referring to:bh:
oh dang
sorry
I edited.

[<borkis>]

I could see it reach 400 milllion

I agree... and I really hope it does. I hope it matches Iron Man.

The only reason I hedged my bet and predicted a lower total is Batman Begins.
It was a movie I was super-hyped for, thought did everything right and really was a solid piece of cinema (and not just for a comic book movie, but as a movie in general). I was really surprised that it didn't have a higher BO total. Overcoming the image of a bad property can be really difficult.

Luckily The Hulk (2003) wasn't anywhere near Batman & Robin, but I also don't think he's as popular as Batman, so it'll be interesting to see how the public reacts.

I do think that high-action spectacle has higher BO potential than dark and brooding, so keep your fingers crossed.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't expect Indy to have legs... 50 million opening based on early reports is quite a bit... so the movie should still be in the 300 range. I won't be shocked if IM beats it out but I am leaning toward IM being the number 3 film when all is said and done.

[<borkis>]

I don't expect Indy to have legs... 50 million opening based on early reports is quite a bit... so the movie should still be in the 300 range. I won't be shocked if IM beats it out but I am leaning toward IM being the number 3 film when all is said and done.

Indy is going to do gangbusters this weekend. Based solely on the number of screens movies are released on, their "legs" are evaluated much differently now than when the last Indy movie was in the theater. Long gone are the days of staying #1 for weeks and weeks.

I predict:
1st weekend: $120 million.
2nd weekend: $62 million
3rd weekend: $29 million

[Kargo Warrior]

$26 millions for Indy....yikes,that's terrible!!

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-off-1.html

[Figs]

Just saw IJ4 and while I was in line(small line but it was only a 7:00 show on a weekday)I saw quite a few people heading into showings of Iron Man.:woot::word:

[flickchick85]

Indy neither sucks, nor is it awesome. It's "ok," with some people leaving the theater completely satisfied, and others who are very dissatisfied. I think its box office legs will reflect that. It'll hold steady for a week or 2 (maybe 3), but not as steady as Iron Man. I do actually think Iron Man will beat it at the B.O. now.

[flickchick85]

$26 million isn't terrible for a movie that opened on a Thursday, but it is a little less than expected.

[echostation]

what's up with the box office?? so many underperformances????

I think alot of this has to do with the economy

[LostSon88]

$26 millions for Indy....yikes,that's terrible!!

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-off-1.html


Its been one day...a Thursday of all days.

It may not be a record setter, but its still pretty damn good.

[fallenAngel]

Why are people saying 26 million is bad for opening day? That's actually amazing. Especially for a thursday.

[TheVileOne]

Iron Man early Thursday estimates have it at $1.77 million. Putting it up to $232 million before the 4 day weekend. Iron Man is now just a hair behind X-men 3's full domestic gross, with it just about to go in its 4th weekend.

[Mauser9910]

Indy 4 would be a great 3rd Mummy film, but it's not the Mummy, it's Indy so it's a big disappointment. :(A 5th one ? No thank you... :(

[TheVileOne]

Iron Man destroys Indy . . . and still makes it to $300 million. It will happen.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Thats not a bad number, because we don't know whos seeing the movie, if it's older people the movie will shoot up on friday and make a crapload more. I don't think that anybody should write this movie off until the full 5 days come about and besides it could have great legs. People called Shrek 2 a dissappointment when it only did like 12mil on it's wed and then it exploded over the weekend. Lets wait and see people, maybe the movie will play out like that and not the fast burning Revenge of The Sith. The number is far lower than I thought it would be but the movie's run is so not over.

On the flipside People said wait and see when SR posted lower than expected numbers in 2006 on it's opening day so I could be wrong but I'm still going to wait and see.

Go Iron Man! It held well against Indy 4.

[CaptainStacy]

Hey guys I'm hearing around the net that Indy sucks badly. There's still chance for IM to be the top movie of the summer at the Box Office. :up: :up:

Eh...people "around the net" think EVERYTHING sucks badly...i wouldnt go by that.

[Raiden]

Thats not a bad number, because we don't know whos seeing the movie, if it's older people the movie will shoot up on friday and make a crapload more. I don't think that anybody should write this movie off until the full 5 days come about and besides it could have great legs. People called Shrek 2 a dissappointment when it only did like 12mil on it's wed and then it exploded over the weekend. Lets wait and see people, maybe the movie will play out like that and not the fast burning Revenge of The Sith. The number is far lower than I thought it would be but the movie's run is so not over.

On the flipside People said wait and see when SR posted lower than expected numbers in 2006 on it's opening day so I could be wrong but I'm still going to wait and see.

Go Iron Man! It held well against Indy 4.

Yeah, no matter what it's Indy, and it will make its money regardless what the reviews are or whether it is as good as the previous 3 films. It will probably make 90-100 million this weekend, but I don't think IM will be hurt too much by it. Both movies will make their share of the money in this holiday weekend.

[Figs]

This is pretty much Iron Man's last good weekend.

I'm starting to doubt the $300 million domestic.

Right now Boxofficemojo has Iron Man at $230,342,753 Domestic. It would have to make roughly $20 Mill tonight, Saturday and Sunday.

I know a lot of you are thinking it still has next weekend...but not many movies last that many weekends in a row. It's great that Iron Man has done this well but by next weekend, your going to have all the people who don't see movies on their opening weekends catching up with Narnia and IJ4.

I'm sure it will make some money next weekend but not much at all.

[CaptainStacy]

This is pretty much Iron Man's last good weekend.

I'm starting to doubt the $300 million domestic.

Right now Boxofficemojo has Iron Man at $230,342,753 Domestic. It would have to make roughly $20 Mill tonight, Saturday and Sunday.

I know a lot of you are thinking it still has next weekend...but not many movies last that many weekends in a row. It's great that Iron Man has done this well but by next weekend, your going to have all the people who don't see movies on their opening weekends catching up with Narnia and IJ4.

I'm sure it will make some money next weekend but not much at all.

Agreed.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah, I'm convinced that Iron Man will do quite well this weekend and that Narnia isn't. Narnia's weekdays are weak, after this weekend and next I think that it's going to be clear just how disappointing Narnias numbers truely are in the U.S.

[Raiden]

This is pretty much Iron Man's last good weekend.

I'm starting to doubt the $300 million domestic.

Right now Boxofficemojo has Iron Man at $230,342,753 Domestic. It would have to make roughly $20 Mill tonight, Saturday and Sunday.

I know a lot of you are thinking it still has next weekend...but not many movies last that many weekends in a row. It's great that Iron Man has done this well but by next weekend, your going to have all the people who don't see movies on their opening weekends catching up with Narnia and IJ4.

I'm sure it will make some money next weekend but not much at all.

Don't count out IM just yet.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This is pretty much Iron Man's last good weekend.

I'm starting to doubt the $300 million domestic.

Right now Boxofficemojo has Iron Man at $230,342,753 Domestic. It would have to make roughly $20 Mill tonight, Saturday and Sunday.

I know a lot of you are thinking it still has next weekend...but not many movies last that many weekends in a row. It's great that Iron Man has done this well but by next weekend, your going to have all the people who don't see movies on their opening weekends catching up with Narnia and IJ4.

I'm sure it will make some money next weekend but not much at all.Eh, nothing has changed for me, I always thought that 300mil would be an uphill climb. I'm still thinking 290mil.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh and for the record, I knew that the so-called analyst's were overpredicting Indy's opening day. Indy will more likely than not do fantastic numbers this weekend but it isn't Starwars, the rush factor isn't there and frankly I wasn't ever predicting it to outgross any starwars movie but Attack of the Clones and nothing about these numbers changes my thoughts on that prediction. Maybe after all is said and done I'll be wrong and it will explode on the weekend and have great legs and make 390 to 400mil but for now I am comfortable with my 325mil prediction.

[Figs]

Don't count out IM just yet.


Hey I still hope to hell it can hit $300 mil, I'm just trying to be realistic about it. It's still aways off and this is going to be it's 4th weekend.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It took Curse of the Black Pearl a long time to make 300mil.

[Kargo Warrior]

Why are people saying 26 million is bad for opening day? That's actually amazing. Especially for a thursday.

Because it is a bad number...Star Wars opened with a 50 million$ on Thursday 3 years ago...and Indy was suppose to have the same hype.

FYI the 25 million(studio estimates) include the midnight screenings...and even with that it's on the 28-th place of all time as far as opening days are concerned.

You cant spin that number...it's a total dissapoinment(for Indy fans at least).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

To be fair Indy fans had outrageously high perdictions for the movie to begin with. The opening day is a little disappointing but it only looks like a disaster because people were letting the insane media hype get to them, it could still make over 140mil for the five day, not a bad number at all. The 200mil for five numbers were never going to happen.

[Figs]

Even though more movies are starting to open on Wednesdays and Thursdays, I still only count Friday as opening day.

I don't get how or why people or fans think that a movie is going to do awesome numbers on a Thursday of all days. Most people are at work, when they get off of work they have work the next day before the weekend. It's obvious less people are going to go out aside from hardcore movie goers like myself and a lot of other internet dwellers.

[fallenAngel]

Because it is a bad number...Star Wars opened with a 50 million$ on Thursday 3 years ago...and Indy was suppose to have the same hype.

FYI the 25 million(studio estimates) include the midnight screenings...and even with that it's on the 28-th place of all time as far as opening days are concerned.

You cant spin that number...it's a total dissapoinment(for Indy fans at least).

Indy isn't Star Wars. Look at all the numbers of the original movies compared to the original Star Wars. Comparing the two is stupid. Yes they are both popular but Star Wars has always been much much bigger.

and I heard a lot of people talking and they assumed that yesterday had just 8 or midnight showings. They didn't realize it actually opened. Kind of like Transformers last year.

Star wars has the kind of obsessed fan base where everyone knows the second it opens. Need I remind you that people waited in line for that for weeks. People had false expectations, that doesn't mean this movie won't do well. I really doubt this is going to be another Superman returns.

and especially with a long holiday weekend coming up. I'm sure people are content with waiting.

[DieSmiling]

Because it is a bad number...Star Wars opened with a 50 million$ on Thursday 3 years ago...and Indy was suppose to have the same hype.

FYI the 25 million(studio estimates) include the midnight screenings...and even with that it's on the 28-th place of all time as far as opening days are concerned.

You cant spin that number...it's a total dissapoinment(for Indy fans at least).

Ridiculous post. Indy isn't Star Wars, $26 million is fine (maybe a LITTLE disappointing) for a Thursday opening.

[TLH]

$25 million is a bit surprising for Indy. I was expecting at least $30 million, but just to put in perspective, Shrek 2 made only $20 million (between Wed/Thursday) before having one of the biggest opening weekends in history.

In my opinion, I don't think many people even realized that it opened yesterday. Even I didn't find out it opened yesterday until Wednesday. I expect to see some significant spikes in its box office numbers for the next four days. I wholly expect it to cross $135 million over the five day period.

[Kargo Warrior]

Ridiculous post. Indy isn't Star Wars, $26 million is fine (maybe a LITTLE disappointing) for a Thursday opening.

Read first,answer later...i said it supposed to have the same hype,i didnt say i think they're the same.

[LostSon88]

Because it is a bad number...Star Wars opened with a 50 million$ on Thursday 3 years ago...and Indy was suppose to have the same hype.


Your comparing ROTS numbers to Indy 4. THing is ROTS was the 3rd and FINAL SW movie of this generation and in all honesty, it was the only one anyone was really interested in seeing from the get go (Anakin becoming Vader).

I think if you were to really compare numbers, TPM opening day would be more accurate as that one was the first SW movie in 16 years as is Indy 4 is the first in 19.

[Kargo Warrior]

Your comparing ROTS numbers to Indy 4. THing is ROTS was the 3rd and FINAL SW movie of this generation and in all honesty, it was the only one anyone was really interested in seeing from the get go (Anakin becoming Vader).

I think if you were to really compare numbers, TPM opening day would be more accurate as that one was the first SW movie in 16 years as is Indy 4 is the first in 19.

But it's not me who's comparing numbers i'm just quoting every single boxoffice site/industry insider...i mean the tracking was 175-180 for 5 days....it should be happy now to make 150 if that.

I dont care if Indy makes 10 billions or if it flops,i'm just stating that as far as predictions/expectantions were,the movie(at least on it's first day)has made far,far less.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Great post, because it is true. I will be very surprised if INDY 4 makes the tracking numbers now.

[MattBearPig]

Back to IRON MAN...I think it'll end up at around 260-270 in the US with a WW total around 500. Not to mention DVD and Blu ray sales/rentals...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's going to be past 250mil this weekend, so 260mil shouldn't even be your low point.

[Raiden]

Back to IRON MAN...I think it'll end up at around 260-270 in the US with a WW total around 500. Not to mention DVD and Blu ray sales/rentals...

I think IM will get to 285, and then crawl on its way to 300 mil, but it will get there. SR also took its sweet time to reach 200 mil, but unlike IM, it was projected to make around 250-300 mil, and it fell below expectation.

[TLH]

I'm still skeptical regarding $300 million. I've always believed Iron Man had an outside shot (which it still does). At this point nothing is certain. The theater count will be dropping soon.

[explode7]

Man am I glad that I'm not an Indy fan since I haven't seen one of those movies in my entire life else I would be pretty pissed at Indy's BO opening of 26M. :hehe:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Actually it's 25mil. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

[Negative Creep]

Man am I glad that I'm not an Indy fan since I haven't seen one of those movies in my entire life else I would be pretty pissed at Indy's BO opening of 26M. :hehe:

I would think most fans of the brilliant Indiana Jones film series wouldn't give a **** about the movie's box office take. They just wanted a good film. It's not like they need this film to do well like for example The Hulk fans do to ensure a sequel.

[fallenAngel]

I would think most fans of the brilliant Indiana Jones film series wouldn't give a **** about the movie's box office take. They just wanted a good film. It's not like they need this film to do well like for example The Hulk fans do to ensure a sequel.


Apparently B.O. especially opening weekend is everything these days.:o
Titanic earned 600 million domestically and almost nobody talks about it anymore.

It's bragging rights and nothing else. Last year was even worse even though the reception of almost every big movie was equally mixed. That being said though, it is nice when a movie I like makes a lot of money.

I do hope Iron man crosses 300 million. But it will be tough to get there. But the fact that it's already more or less universally lauded is what's really inspiring.

[Tony Stark]

I was a huge Indy fan as a kid, so I hope it does well. But I think you can't dismiss the economic impact vs the BO results. I honestly think Iron Man could end up being the highest grossing film of the summer, based on Indy's opening numbers.

I don't want to get into a fanboy pissing contest, but after seeing the leaked two face pic, I doubt TDK is going to be a 300 million dollar film. I mean I thought Nolan was going for a "realistic" approach, and if that pic is accurate, it's even less realistic than Tommy Lee Jone's two-face.

[Figs]

I was a huge Indy fan as a kid, so I hope it does well. But I think you can't dismiss the economic impact vs the BO results. I honestly think Iron Man could end up being the highest grossing film of the summer, based on Indy's opening numbers.

I don't want to get into a fanboy pissing contest, but after seeing the leaked two face pic, I doubt TDK is going to be a 300 million dollar film. I mean I thought Nolan was going for a "realistic" approach, and if that pic is accurate, it's even less realistic than Tommy Lee Jone's two-face.


How is it less realisic than a guy who only had a purple face and a curved and slightly enlarged lip?:huh:

That shot of Two Face for the new film is way more realistic...try not to be biased in your opinions. I know your an Iron Man/Marvel fan, but it doesn't mean you have to exagerate.

[Kanon]

Can I see the pic of Two face before this thread gets back on topic? :p

[explode7]

^It's too gross for kids. Come back when you're an adult. :hehe:

[Raiden]

How is it less realisic than a guy who only had a purple face and a curved and slightly enlarged lip?:huh:

That shot of Two Face for the new film is way more realistic...try not to be biased in your opinions. I know your an Iron Man/Marvel fan, but it doesn't mean you have to exagerate.

I'm a Marvel fan and I do think the new Two-Face looks way better than the Two-Face played by Tommy Lee Jones. TLJ's Two-Face doesn't even look like it's disfigured, but more like a cosmetic job gone wrong imo.

[Heretic]

What is this about Indy not doing well??? Its 25 mil...on a Thursday...the rest of the weekend should be bigger since people have all day to see it with no responsiblities the next day, so a hundred million opening weekend is possible.

I've only seen one Indy movie, and didnt really like it...so I have no plans to see this one, but i justdot think that 25 mil on a thursday is that bad.

[FaT_tONle]

It took Curse of the Black Pearl a long time to make 300mil.

How long do these films typically hold up in theatres?

[TheVileOne]

What's wrong is its pretty low considering everyone and their mother was saying Indy was tracking like $160-180 million for the extended weekend.

[CaptainStacy]

I think IM will get to 285, and then crawl on its way to 300 mil, but it will get there. SR also took its sweet time to reach 200 mil, but unlike IM, it was projected to make around 250-300 mil, and it fell below expectation.

Well, i guess we all now know who the REAL man of steel is, dont we? :im: :cwink:

[NoirMan82]

Indy is kicking butt, but it's getting such bad word of mouth right now, there's no way it will continue that trend. My friend tolde me about the movie and my mind is made up that I'm NOT going to see it. Maybe ever.

[TLH]

Indy is kicking butt, but it's getting such bad word of mouth right now, there's no way it will continue that trend. My friend tolde me about the movie and my mind is made up that I'm NOT going to see it. Maybe ever.

Why not think for yourself and develop your own opinion?

[Tony Stark]

How is it less realisic than a guy who only had a purple face and a curved and slightly enlarged lip?:huh:

That shot of Two Face for the new film is way more realistic...try not to be biased in your opinions. I know your an Iron Man/Marvel fan, but it doesn't mean you have to exagerate.

I'm not exaggerating, and this has nothing to do with being a marvel fan. You simply can't survive burns of that magnitude, and you sure as hell wouldn't have one side of your face burned that bad with the other side fully intact.

I didn't like the whole painted face Joker, but I accepted it with Nolan's "realism" in mind. Now that I see the two face pic all the "realism" stuff goes right out the window.

[Tony Stark]

Can I see the pic of Two face before this thread gets back on topic? :p

I can't show you the pic, for risk of being banned, but it's not hard to find. Google is your friend.

[Tony Stark]

Indy is kicking butt, but it's getting such bad word of mouth right now, there's no way it will continue that trend. My friend tolde me about the movie and my mind is made up that I'm NOT going to see it. Maybe ever.

Indy was my favorite movie series as a child. I'm going to see it regardless of the reviews. This is a little different than the Star Wars prequels in that Harrison Ford is still in the roll. I hope I'm not dissapointed, but I love that series too much not to go.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not exaggerating, and this has nothing to do with being a marvel fan. You simply can't survive burns of that magnitude, and you sure as hell wouldn't have one side of your face burned that bad with the other side fully intact.

I didn't like the whole painted face Joker, but I accepted it with Nolan's "realism" in mind. Now that I see the two face pic all the "realism" stuff goes right out the window.If TF looks anything like that picture in the final film, I will wonder about the whole realism angle Nolan seems to be stressing.

[TLH]

Oh, I believe in $300 million. Here's the way I figure it. Right now it has $226 million...
Tuesday: 2.5
Wednesday: 2.3
Thursday: 2.2
-------
$232 million before the weekend

Friday: $5.3
Saturday: $6.0
Sunday: $5.0
Monday: $4.7
-------
$253 million after the long weekend...

Honestly Trunks, I think your Memorial Day weekend estimates are too conservative. Yes, even with Indy 4 and Narnia in its second weekend.

I think Iron Man can get as high as $20 million for the Friday-Saturday period.

Look at the big increase Iron Man had on last Saturday. And it had a bigger Sunday than Friday.

Iron Man took in an estimated $5.3 on Friday. Toldja. :oldrazz:

[NoirMan82]

Why not think for yourself and develop your own opinion?

Because I was never a huge Indy fan. I tried watching those movies again in preparation for seeing KOTCS, but I couldn't even sit through Raiders. I guess it just lost appeal with me.

[Dotten]

Indy is going to give Iron Man some competition. Indy is up to an estimated 56 million after thursday and friday.

[FlawlessVictory]

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[TLH]

Indy is going to give Iron Man some competition. Indy is up to an estimated 56 million after thursday and friday.

Iron Man is kind of passed the whole "competition" thing I would say. It's made the majority of its money.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Iron Man held up very well, Indy didn't hurt it. Man I hope it makes 300mil, that would be a nice number to look at.

[ultimatefan]

Based on friday numbers, Crystal Skull should make in the 140-145m area through its five-day release. Not bad at all, and enough to cover most of its production budget, but quite below industry expectations.

[Negative Creep]

Based on friday numbers, Crystal Skull should make in the 140-145m area through its five-day release. Not bad at all, and enough to cover most of its production budget, but quite below industry expectations.

Yeah, the tracking has been **** lately. They were way off on Prince Caspian too.

[Negrotigre]

Based on friday numbers, Crystal Skull should make in the 140-145m area through its five-day release. Not bad at all, and enough to cover most of its production budget, but quite below industry expectations.


Wow, 150 mill is below expectations? Sheesh, what were insiders hoping for?

[Negative Creep]

Wow, 150 mill is below expectations? Sheesh, what were insiders hoping for?

They were saying it was going to open to 170-180 million so they can't be that disappointed. I think this one goes in the win column for Senor Spielbergo.

[explode7]

:wow: This movie has got to be the comic book movie with the most legs I have seen in a very long while. Iron Man Made 5.4M on its third friday. This means its probably going to be making 20M Opening weekend :eek: As for Indy I just came back from seeing it and this was the first IJ movie I ever saw and I gotta say this movie belongs in the past not in the future. There is just too many corny stuff in there for example when the gang were getting chased by like 10 people all with guns shooting at them, none of them got shot!!! WTF is up with that??? I mean the bad guys were literally in their face shooting at them and no one got shot. It was just plain silly especially that part with the

Alien sekeletons joined up to form one live alien. WTF???

[Spider-Vader]

You must see the originals.

[Spider-Vader]

Eh...people "around the net" think EVERYTHING sucks badly...i wouldnt go by that.
Everything that's not Nolan Batman or Iron Man.

Sorry for the double post.

[<borkis>]

:wow: This movie has got to be the comic book movie with the most legs I have seen in a very long while. Iron Man Made 5.4M on its third friday. This means its probably going to be making 20M Opening weekend :eek: As for Indy I just came back from seeing it and this was the first IJ movie I ever saw and I gotta say this movie belongs in the past not in the future. There is just too many corny stuff in there for example when the gang were getting chased by like 10 people all with guns shooting at them, none of them got shot!!! WTF is up with that??? I mean the bad guys were literally in their face shooting at them and no one got shot. It was just plain silly especially that part with the

Alien sekeletons joined up to form one live alien. WTF???

Correction: on it's 4th Friday :)

[ultimatefan]

Everything that's not Nolan Batman or Iron Man.

Sorry for the double post.

Nah, there´s gonna be nerds to say that sucks too. Check the talkbackers on AICN, they can make anything seem like total crap.

[TheVileOne]

OK, early estimates have Iron Man at $7 million for Saturday. So today it breaks $250 million, and anything else it makes on Monday is gravy.

$300 million will happen. Next week if Iron Man makes another $10 million it will still have some steam. That adds up.

[Iceman]

I can't believe Iron Man is still pushing so hard in the face of tough competition. This is what happens when a studio tries to make as good a film as possible rather than churn crap out with little care for the source material. The money is fully deserved.

[TheVileOne]

You should've believed it when Speed Racer and Narnia came out.

And when you saw how old and decrepit Indy was with all that crappy CGI monkeys and prairie dogs.

[Iceman]

Haha, I don't think Indy was that bad as a lot of people say...but even if it was, the opening w/e before WOM hits fully should still have made more of a dent in the competition. Looks like Narnia & Speed Racer took the hit - Iron Man is indestructible!

In their respective openings, I didn't see Speed Racer or Narnia (in US at least) being able to live with Iron Man but Indy is another level. Iron Man feels new and fresh in a very unfresh genre so it just keeps surviving whatever it comes up against. I just hope all studios who make comic book films take notice. Roll on $300m!!

[TheVileOne]

It wasn't bad, but it was stupid.

[CaptainStacy]

I can't believe Iron Man is still pushing so hard in the face of tough competition. This is what happens when a studio tries to make as good a film as possible rather than churn crap out with little care for the source material. The money is fully deserved.

I know. When i think about what the Fantastic Four COULD have been, i just want to cry. :csad:

[Raiden]

I know. When i think about what the Fantastic Four COULD have been, i just want to cry. :csad:

I hear ya. If FF were given the same care and respect to its source material (including Dr. Doom), FF would've became a great movie like IM. Too bad Marvel sold its rights to Fox, instead of holding it for later development.

[TheVileOne]

I think people need to stop making excuses and enabling people like Tim Story, Chris Evans, Don Payne, et al. They didn't do a good job.

[TLH]

OK, early estimates have Iron Man at $7 million for Friday. So today it breaks $250 million, and anything else it makes on Monday is gravy.

$300 million will happen. Next week if Iron Man makes another $10 million it will still have some steam. That adds up.

You mean Saturday right?

[FlawlessVictory]

Advice & Analysis: Weekly Tracking

Advice & Analysis: Reviews

May 23, 2008

INDY Up An Even Stronger 19% Saturday! CRYSTAL SKULL Surges to $36.89M; On Track for 3-Day of $103.3M; Targets All-Time #2 Memorial Day Weekend with $134.66M; Probably #2 All-Time 5-Day Performance $159.7M!

by Steve Mason

SUNDAY 8:00 a.m. (Pacific): Pouring through the numbers and working the phones this morning has led me to revise the numbers I released Saturday night. In addition to playing huge with family audiences on Saturday, there was a surge in teen business on Saturday night, as Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Paramount) surged 19%. That improves Indy 4's Saturday take to an estimated $38.69.


Studio sources tell me that, although teens did not come out in the hoped-for numbers on Steven Spielberg's latest blockbuster on Thursday, that audience was still looking for a movie to see this weekend. After all, how many times can the Under 25's see Paramount's other May tentpole movie Iron Man.


That will likely translate to a possible $36.89M and an excellent 3-day $103.3M traditional 3-day weekend. With a 19% drop on Monday, Indiana Jones will reach $134.66M for the official 4-day Memorial Day weekend, leaving it about $5M shy of the record for the frame set by Pirates 3 last May.


When the $25M Thursday is added, Indy 4 will have registered $152.78M by Tuesday morning, probably the all-time fourth-best 5-Day performance in movie history. The film could drop 19% on Monday for $29.88M and a 5-day haul of $159.7M. That will make Crystal Skull the all-time 4th-best 5-day opener.


Please note that when Paramount reports numbers on Sunday, they may very well come in a bit lower than my numbers. They will likely be a bit more conservative and are probably planning to come in with higher actuals.

Saturday night also proved stronger for Narnia 2 (Disney) and Iron Man. Prince Caspian appears to have fallen just shy of $9M, and it will likely finish with a $23.26M 3-day and a much-improved 4-day of $30M. That should give the Walden Media sequel a new cume of $98.15M. Meanwhile, the Marvel-produced Iron Man seized another $7.72M and a revised 3-day projection of $20M.Tony Stark and his alter ego will probably top $26M for 4-days, pushing to a new cume of $258.21M.


On an interesting side note, Paramount is enjoying a spectacular weekend. With 2 of the top 3 movies, the studio is set to rack up about $160.7M of the $221.75M or so earned by the top 12 grossing films. That means that Paramount generated an astounding 72% of the total Memorial Day weekend box office. The Melrose gang has now generated an estimated $530 billion, and, with Kung Fu Panda and Mike Myers in Love Guru both due in June, the distributor will top $1 billion in domestic sales for the year well before the 4th of July.



http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-friday-bu.html

[TLH]

Iron Man just keeps exceeding expectations. It's doing fantastic.

And good for Indy. $126 million over its first four days and well on its way to $300 million (unless the film has no legs and gets massive drops, i.e: The Hulk). We'll see. After Monday it should have $150 million.

[ultimatefan]

Advice & Analysis: Weekly Tracking

Advice & Analysis: Reviews

May 23, 2008

INDY Up An Even Stronger 19% Saturday! CRYSTAL SKULL Surges to $36.89M; On Track for 3-Day of $103.3M; Targets All-Time #2 Memorial Day Weekend with $134.66M; Probably #2 All-Time 5-Day Performance $159.7M!

by Steve Mason

SUNDAY 8:00 a.m. (Pacific): Pouring through the numbers and working the phones this morning has led me to revise the numbers I released Saturday night. In addition to playing huge with family audiences on Saturday, there was a surge in teen business on Saturday night, as Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Paramount) surged 19%. That improves Indy 4's Saturday take to an estimated $38.69.


Studio sources tell me that, although teens did not come out in the hoped-for numbers on Steven Spielberg's latest blockbuster on Thursday, that audience was still looking for a movie to see this weekend. After all, how many times can the Under 25's see Paramount's other May tentpole movie Iron Man.


That will likely translate to a possible $36.89M and an excellent 3-day $103.3M traditional 3-day weekend. With a 19% drop on Monday, Indiana Jones will reach $134.66M for the official 4-day Memorial Day weekend, leaving it about $5M shy of the record for the frame set by Pirates 3 last May.


When the $25M Thursday is added, Indy 4 will have registered $152.78M by Tuesday morning, probably the all-time fourth-best 5-Day performance in movie history. The film could drop 19% on Monday for $29.88M and a 5-day haul of $159.7M. That will make Crystal Skull the all-time 4th-best 5-day opener.


Please note that when Paramount reports numbers on Sunday, they may very well come in a bit lower than my numbers. They will likely be a bit more conservative and are probably planning to come in with higher actuals.

Saturday night also proved stronger for Narnia 2 (Disney) and Iron Man. Prince Caspian appears to have fallen just shy of $9M, and it will likely finish with a $23.26M 3-day and a much-improved 4-day of $30M. That should give the Walden Media sequel a new cume of $98.15M. Meanwhile, the Marvel-produced Iron Man seized another $7.72M and a revised 3-day projection of $20M.Tony Stark and his alter ego will probably top $26M for 4-days, pushing to a new cume of $258.21M.


On an interesting side note, Paramount is enjoying a spectacular weekend. With 2 of the top 3 movies, the studio is set to rack up about $160.7M of the $221.75M or so earned by the top 12 grossing films. That means that Paramount generated an astounding 72% of the total Memorial Day weekend box office. The Melrose gang has now generated an estimated $530 billion, and, with Kung Fu Panda and Mike Myers in Love Guru both due in June, the distributor will top $1 billion in domestic sales for the year well before the 4th of July.



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150m for a tive-day release is still pretty damn spectacular. The industry may have raised expectations too much for it being an Indy movie, but that franchise doesn´t have quite the semi-religious devotion SW had before the new prequels came out. Over 300m domestic should be a lock.

But still, it´s pretty impressive so far IM is the ONLY big summer release that´s been exceeding expectations, while everything else has fallen short of them to varying degrees.

[NoirMan82]

Iron Man just keeps exceeding expectations. It's doing fantastic.

And good for Indy. $126 million over its first four days and well on its way to $300 million (unless the film has no legs and gets massive drops, i.e: The Hulk). We'll see. After Monday it should have $150 million.

Yeah, It's weird how Indy made all that money and there were still enough people seeing Iron Man to get another $20 million. Thats' not including what will come in on Sunday and Monday. Even with Indy molesting the BO, Iron Man is out there kicking hard. You have to love that.

[NoirMan82]

P.S. Iron Man is second only to Spider-Man in terms of comic book adaptations. Who'da thunk it?

[X Knight]

I went to see Indy with my dad yesterday. It was ok......kinda boring......kinda nostalgic.

On a side note, though, while we were getting tickets to see Indy, a group of teens next to us were getting tickets to see........IRON MAN!!!! :)

[TLH]

Yeah, It's weird how Indy made all that money and there were still enough people seeing Iron Man to get another $20 million. Thats' not including what will come in on Sunday and Monday. Even with Indy molesting the BO, Iron Man is out there kicking hard. You have to love that.

Actually that is including Sunday. The estimate for Sunday is already included.

[ultimatefan]

According to early estimates at www.boxofficemojo.com, Indiana Jones grossed about 126m in four days. And IM has just crossed the 250m mark, hurray!

[TLH]

P.S. Iron Man is second only to Spider-Man in terms of comic book adaptations. Who'da thunk it?

Technically, second to Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and Spider-Man 3. But since those are all the same franchise, I guess they can be grouped together. Yeah, very few would've thought that.

[The Chris]

According to early estimates at www.boxofficemojo.com (http://www.boxofficemojo.com), Indiana Jones grossed about 126m in four days. And IM has just crossed the 250m mark, hurray!

Paramount's having a great summer.

[FaT_tONle]

P.S. Iron Man is second only to Spider-Man in terms of comic book adaptations. Who'da thunk it?

X-Men should've be a bigger franchise as should have Hulk... IM is still an "A" list Marvel character... clearly number 3/4 as far as solo characters. Fantastic Four could have been a bigger franchise as well. All in all I am not TOO suprised with the success... if they made a good film I thought the flick could easily gross above 200. 300 would be pretty remarkable though. I still think Nolan's Batman will be the number two comic book franchise in this era when all is said and done (unless Avengers counts as IM which it shouldn't).

[ultimatefan]

I´m really surprised by how poorly the new Narnia is doing, it was expected to hold well but instead took a big drop. It will have to make HUGE money overseas to make up for it.

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah, It's weird how Indy made all that money and there were still enough people seeing Iron Man to get another $20 million. Thats' not including what will come in on Sunday and Monday. Even with Indy molesting the BO, Iron Man is out there kicking hard. You have to love that.

Indeed. Interesting how all those posters saying Iron Man would have no legs have conviently disappeared from these boards...isnt it? :word:

So, $258 million? Even a 50% drop next weekend should put Iron Man at around $270 million (including the rest of this week's totals)...$300 million domestic is still a possibility.

[ultimatefan]

Indeed. Interesting how all those posters saying Iron Man would have no legs have conviently disappeared from these boards...isnt it? :word:

So, $258 million? Even a 50% drop next weekend should put Iron Man at around $270 million (including the rest of this week's totals)...$300 million domestic is still a possibility.

It´s people who don´t understand anything about the BO world. After the first couple weekends, a movie´s BO tend to have a more estable performance, regardless of the new releases. If there´s a big release in its second weekend and it opens huge, there´s a chance it might hurt the movie´s performance, but in the third, it´s not such a big deal.

[TLH]

It´s people who don´t understand anything about the BO world. After the first couple weekends, a movie´s BO tend to have a more estable performance, regardless of the new releases. If there´s a big release in its second weekend and it opens huge, there´s a chance it might hurt the movie´s performance, but in the third, it´s not such a big deal.

True, but that's usually because films have made the largest portion of their money by then.

If Iron Man caps off the holiday weekend with $258 million, then this is what I suspect will happen:
Mon-Thur - $5 million - total $263 million
5th weekend - $10-11 million - total $273.5 million
Mon-Thur - $3 million - total $276.5 million
6th weekend - $6.5 million - total $283 million
Mon-Thur - $2 million - total $285 million
7th weekend - $4 million - $289 million
...and then the very slow crawl

This is going to be a close one.

[CaptainStacy]

True, but that's usually because films have made the largest portion of their money by then.

If Iron Man caps off the holiday weekend with $258 million, then this is what I suspect will happen:
Mon-Thur - $5 million - total $263 million
5th weekend - $10-11 million - total $273.5 million
Mon-Thur - $3 million - total $276.5 million
6th weekend - $6.5 million - total $283 million
Mon-Thur - $2 million - total $285 million
7th weekend - $4 million - $289 million
...and then the very slow crawl

This is going to be a close one.


Agreed. 300 is still within reach, but more than likely it will finish between 285 and 295 million...

[Iceman]

I know. When i think about what the Fantastic Four COULD have been, i just want to cry. :csad:Yeah, if it had been made with similar care it would be a huge property right now. it will be difficult for the public to take it seriously any more :(

I hear ya. If FF were given the same care and respect to its source material (including Dr. Doom), FF would've became a great movie like IM. Too bad Marvel sold its rights to Fox, instead of holding it for later development.How can such an important villain be handled so badly? :(

I think people need to stop making excuses and enabling people like Tim Story, Chris Evans, Don Payne, et al. They didn't do a good job.:up:

[Iceman]

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-friday-bu.html
Indy could finish above Iron Man if it holds decently next week. It's no great shame though to finish behind an Indy film with your debut.

[LostSon88]

I´m really surprised by how poorly the new Narnia is doing, it was expected to hold well but instead took a big drop. It will have to make HUGE money overseas to make up for it.

They need to go back to what helped make the first film successful and release it during the Winter/Christmas season...

They should follow the LOTR approach.

[explode7]

:wow: IJ4 has done pretty well in its opening weekend but its numbers are still disappointing compared to what analysts have said it would make. People thought IJ4 would have done record breaking numbers due to its 20 year absence from the theaters but it didn't do that now did it? :hehe: Anyways I'm glad that IM made 20M just like I predicted. It seems 300M is a lock now. :up: :up:. So by looking at the trend of what movies seem to be making alot of money it seems that the top movies of 2008 might be:

1. IJ4
2. IM
3. Hancock
4. Wall E
5. Hulk
6. Narnia
7. TDK
8. Hellboy
9. ?
10 ?

[Docker2.0]

True, but that's usually because films have made the largest portion of their money by then.

If Iron Man caps off the holiday weekend with $258 million, then this is what I suspect will happen:
Mon-Thur - $5 million - total $263 million
5th weekend - $10-11 million - total $273.5 million
Mon-Thur - $3 million - total $276.5 million
6th weekend - $6.5 million - total $283 million
Mon-Thur - $2 million - total $285 million
7th weekend - $4 million - $289 million
...and then the very slow crawl

This is going to be a close one.
Ah! So you finally agree with me that it won't make $300M. Smart move! :hehe:

[rashad]

Hulk making more than TDK? WTF?

[explode7]

Hulk making more than TDK? WTF?

Have you seen the latest clips? If you do you will understand.

[Cmill216]

5. Hulk
6. Narnia
7. TDK


:dry:

[Tony Stark]

I think people need to stop making excuses and enabling people like Tim Story, Chris Evans, Don Payne, et al. They didn't do a good job.

I'm not going to make excuses for them, but Fox is a horrible studio to deal with.

While I agree those films probably could have used a different director, the blame isn't solely with the director. I would have loved to have seen what Fantastic Four would have looked like, if directed by Chris Columbus.

In any case, I think those guys did the best that they could given the circumstances. I still enjoy some of those movies, but would be the first to agree they aren't great movies. I do think they get more grief than they are due. Honestly compared to Superman The Quest for Peace and Batman and Robin, those films are works of art.

I think it's important to point out, alot of well to do people thought Favreau was a horrible director, and had no faith in this movie. Marvel on the other hand had the utmost faith in him, and allowed him to create a movie with very little interference. The antithisis of Fox who run interference all the time, and choke any creativity right out of the movie.

[terry78]

Honestly, I would like to see FF done under Marvel Studios, but still with Story at the helm. Just to see if it honestly was the studio or moreso him.

[Crook]

Yes, take a chance with a subpar director. :huh:

[terry78]

Yes, take a chance with a subpar director. :huh:

He ain't that subpar. He's only had comedies to work with, same as Favreau. I think fanboys already had their minds made up about his ass from jump street anyways.