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I SEE SPIDEY
05-31-2008, 01:47 PM
Yep, that's true. They were probably expecting at least the same amount domestically as the first one did but it looks like it will do about half. Which is pathetic really.Yeah, like Martix 3 in relations to Matrix 2.
Negative Creep
05-31-2008, 01:56 PM
Yeah, like Martix 3 in relations to Matrix 2.
Yes, that's an apt comparison. But they can really only blame themselves for their stupidity concerning the release date.
I SEE SPIDEY
05-31-2008, 01:59 PM
^Absolutely, It's not a summer franchise. Hell, I would understand something like National Treasure 2 or 3 getting a summer release date but Narnia? Uh no.
terry78
05-31-2008, 01:59 PM
This right here is why we always see so many Epic Movie/Meet the Spartans/romantic comedies opening up and constantly being made...they're guaranteed money makers. Even if they bomb compared to something like a Caspian, a bomb box office is still earning a profit considering how little it cost to produce.
I think that they will. Sure Caspian is doing great internationally but domestic is where it's mostly at for the studios.
Uh, no it's not? If anything it's doing HORRIBLY internationally. The first film made $432 million internationally, and this second has only made $51 million so far. Yes, it has yet to open in certain places, but none of them will have a big enough impact -- the only notable place it has yet to be released in is the UK.
The film is a disappointment. Simple as that.
FlawlessVictory
05-31-2008, 02:10 PM
It was so ****ing stupid of them to release it in May in between two huge movies like Iron Man and Indiana Jones. Why didn't they stick with the Christmas release? I think the Narnia films have the look and feel of a Christmas release and it did really well in that slot in 2005. Will they even make the third one now?
Hindsight is always 20/20. How many people, before the summer movie season started, were predicting IM to be a total juggernaut at the BO? Sure, people thought it would do relatively well, but I doubt many would have predicted it to do the damage it has done and it derailing Narnia 2.
Negative Creep
05-31-2008, 02:15 PM
It was a gamble that wasn't necessary. They could have released it at Christmas where they were pretty much guaranteed good box office instead of taking the chance of releasing it between a new potential franchise and an already established franchise and certain hit like Indiana Jones.
I SEE SPIDEY
05-31-2008, 02:42 PM
Uh, no it's not? If anything it's doing HORRIBLY internationally. The first film made $432 million internationally, and this second has only made $51 million so far. Yes, it has yet to open in certain places, but none of them will have a big enough impact -- the only notable place it has yet to be released in is the UK.
The film is a disappointment. Simple as that.Eh, I'm not really well versed in the ways of Int B.O so for all I know you could be right.
TheVileOne
05-31-2008, 06:07 PM
It is part hindsight. But yeah, putting Narnia in the summer an untested market for it was a bad idea.
The Harry Potter series was able to successfully do both the summer and holiday season.
SLYspyder
05-31-2008, 07:15 PM
I just did a bit of math on Spider-Man 3. If it had the % drops and legs of Iron Man, it's final gross should have been nearly $500 million domestic. Just goes to show that you also need to give the people a film that's actually worth seeing if you want to live up to your opening weekend.
Hell, if SM3 had SM1's legs, it would have had $531M as opposed to IM's legs at $471M.
But alas, it's not as simple as that. Blockbusters are front loaded enough, but when you have a SEQUEL blockbuster, especially one like SM3, the legs WILL NOT be as good as it's predecessors because of just how front loaded it is. Having a good movie isn't enough to ensure good legs.
SLYspyder
05-31-2008, 07:17 PM
If Spidey 3 was actually a good movie it would have still been frontloaded because it was 3rd one, but I still see no reason that it couldn't have made atleast 385mil off of that opening. I wish it were good because I wanted to see the trilogy go out on a creative high note.
Spider-Man 3 was a good movie. It just didn't meet expectations on just how good it could've been.
Ironfan72
05-31-2008, 07:21 PM
The biggest problem with Spider Man 3 was that amount of villians, three is one film was stupid, save Venom as a Stand alone villian. The movie felt cluttered and hurried as they had to tell origin's of Sand Man and Venom, while doing the the symbiote story at the same time, poorly done,IMO.
SLYspyder
05-31-2008, 07:27 PM
It was a gamble that wasn't necessary. They could have released it at Christmas where they were pretty much guaranteed good box office instead of taking the chance of releasing it between a new potential franchise and an already established franchise and certain hit like Indiana Jones.
They got greedy, plain and simple. "Hey, if we can make this much during Christmas, imagine how much more we could make in the summer!"
Failing to realize that certain movies like Narnia are just meant for Christmas
explode7
05-31-2008, 07:46 PM
I was pretty close when it came to SATC numbers. Admit it guys. I am happy it didn't break 30 million but still it did $28+ million on friday.
Awesome hold for Iron Man.
Narnia 2 died.
Strangers actually did very good. Liv Tyler has a solid boxoffice history.
Indy 4 somewhat picked up after slow weekdays.
Yeah you're right! I would have never guessed that SITC would have made that amount on Friday. Again it's still mind boggling.
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-05-30&p=.htm
And it seems Indy is heading for a 40M weekend. Ouch?:wow:
Docker2.0
05-31-2008, 08:19 PM
Yeah you're right! I would have never guessed that SITC would have made that amount on Friday. Again it's still mind boggling.
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-05-30&p=.htm
And it seems Indy is heading for a 40M weekend. Ouch?:wow:
How much were you expecting it to make? Is the 40M good or bad in your eyes?
explode7
05-31-2008, 08:24 PM
I was expecting Indy to do 60M this weekend with all the hype and all for it. Thats pretty disappointing. Glad I'm not an Indy fan. :hehe:
terry78
05-31-2008, 08:25 PM
I was expecting Indy to do 60M this weekend with all the hype and all for it. Thats pretty disappointing. Glad I'm not an Indy fan. :hehe:
This movie wasn't going to keep up momentum two weeks in a row, not with Carrie Bradshaw all up in it.
explode7
05-31-2008, 08:33 PM
^Who?
FaT_tONle
05-31-2008, 08:40 PM
No suprise SATC would open big... think of it as a season finale... the show probably has a good fifteen to twenty million viewers... so multiply that by ten and there is your box office... but the this film will have NO legs with such a big opening since most of the viewers are flooding in OW.
The Chris
05-31-2008, 08:43 PM
^Who?
Sex and the city's main character.
GreenKToo
05-31-2008, 08:46 PM
Indy's doing pretty good. 183 mill dom. in a week and 3 days is nothing to sneeze at.
Still, I fed I.M. my money again last nite.:)
Tony Stark
05-31-2008, 09:21 PM
Indy's doing pretty good. 183 mill dom. in a week and 3 days is nothing to sneeze at.
Still, I fed I.M. my money again last nite.:)
If those numbers hold Indy will have over a 50% drop from last week. Unless it has a huge multiplier it's probably going to draw around 17 or 18 on Saturday and probably around 42-43 for the weekend.
kedrell
05-31-2008, 09:24 PM
I think IJ4'll do around 40M this weekend. I originally expected 45M.
TheVileOne
05-31-2008, 09:26 PM
$40 million is about what I expected for Indiana Jones.
Still nothing has the staying power, word of mouth, legs, or steam that Iron Man does.
Indy will peter out quicker, while Iron Man is like the energizer bunny.
Advanced Dark would be proud.
So according to Boxofficemojo, Iron Man made almost 4 million just on Friday.
300 million domestic is coming!
TheVileOne
05-31-2008, 09:36 PM
Passes over $270 million today. And more tomorrow!
Hiruu
06-01-2008, 01:20 AM
$40 million is about what I expected for Indiana Jones.
Still nothing has the staying power, word of mouth, legs, or steam that Iron Man does.
Indy will peter out quicker, while Iron Man is like the energizer bunny.
Advanced Dark would be proud.
What happened to Advanced Dark? Did he get totally banned??? He was a Marvel True believer all the way from the old days on the MVL market stock board at yahoo. Anyway, Iron Man is doing amazing numbers, and it's what Batman Begins WAS expected to do...Huge opening weekend and huge holdovers...Iron Man is going to cruise to $600 million WW and Marvel is going to have their hands full trying to get the sequel up to snuff. At this point, Iron Man at #1 or #2 is looking like reality...Indy is going to fade in the face of what's coming...WOM just isn't there...I'm hopefully my Hulk can rinse and repeat what IM did...PLEASE!
Dotten
06-01-2008, 08:16 AM
The Incredible Hulk is looking really good. But it has baggage, like Batman Begins had. So the most I am hoping for is it will do like Batman Begins. Be a great movie that will have legs.
Hulks story has the biggest potential of all superheroes in my book. I've never been a Hulk-fan, but i acknowledge that. It's like a combination og Frankenstein, King kong and Jekyll&Hyde. Unlimited potential. Both in action, romance, drama, thriller and the psychology of the character. It can have far more depth then even Batman Begins. Here we have a character we more easily can relate to. Hulk is like the incarnation of us when we are mad. How we do and say things we don't mean when we are angry and the everlasting fight against our own demons. Even the romantic angle in Hulk-universe is one that has unlimited potential. Romance that is doomed.
It all depends on if they will manage to put it on screen. And not drag it out like in Batman Begins. The interviews and clips so far gives me hope and The Incredible Hulk is one of few movies to have the potential to become the best movie of the year. We can be the judge of that in june. :)
ultimatefan
06-01-2008, 09:17 AM
On a side note, Indiana Jones should have a very steep drop this weekend, over 60%, but not unexpected for a second weekend after the big memorial day weekend, and it should get to over 210m. Itīs not a big enough drop for IM to reach it, but the difference wonīt be as big as initially expected.
Now, over 60m opening for a frikking two and a half hour Sex And The City movie? Humankind is doomed.
CaptainStacy
06-01-2008, 09:54 AM
On a side note, Indiana Jones should have a very steep drop this weekend, over 60%, but not unexpected for a second weekend after the big memorial day weekend, and it should get to over 210m. Itīs not a big enough drop for IM to reach it, but the difference wonīt be as big as initially expected.
Now, over 60m opening for a frikking two and a half hour Sex And The City movie? Humankind is doomed.
Dudes, my wife is SO bugging me to go see that next weekend (we had a bunch of stuff going on THIS weekend, and couldnt attend, thank GOD)...
I have no choice; she goes to all the superhero movies with ME, so what am i gonna do, lol :whatever:
Jon Hex
06-01-2008, 09:59 AM
The Incredible Hulk is looking really good. But it has baggage, like Batman Begins had. So the most I am hoping for is it will do like Batman Begins. Be a great movie that will have legs.
Hulks story has the biggest potential of all superheroes in my book. I've never been a Hulk-fan, but i acknowledge that. It's like a combination og Frankenstein, King kong and Jekyll&Hyde. Unlimited potential. Both in action, romance, drama, thriller and the psychology of the character. It can have far more depth then even Batman Begins. Here we have a character we more easily can relate to. Hulk is like the incarnation of us when we are mad. How we do and say things we don't mean when we are angry and the everlasting fight against our own demons. Even the romantic angle in Hulk-universe is one that has unlimited potential. Romance that is doomed.
It all depends on if they will manage to put it on screen. And not drag it out like in Batman Begins. The interviews and clips so far gives me hope and The Incredible Hulk is one of few movies to have the potential to become the best movie of the year. We can be the judge of that in june. :)
Yeah, Yeah. What he said.
Please be good, Hulk.
chiefchirpa
06-01-2008, 10:28 AM
The Incredible Hulk is looking really good. But it has baggage, like Batman Begins had. So the most I am hoping for is it will do like Batman Begins. Be a great movie that will have legs.
Hulks story has the biggest potential of all superheroes in my book. I've never been a Hulk-fan, but i acknowledge that. It's like a combination og Frankenstein, King kong and Jekyll&Hyde. Unlimited potential. Both in action, romance, drama, thriller and the psychology of the character. It can have far more depth then even Batman Begins. Here we have a character we more easily can relate to. Hulk is like the incarnation of us when we are mad. How we do and say things we don't mean when we are angry and the everlasting fight against our own demons. Even the romantic angle in Hulk-universe is one that has unlimited potential. Romance that is doomed.
It all depends on if they will manage to put it on screen. And not drag it out like in Batman Begins. The interviews and clips so far gives me hope and The Incredible Hulk is one of few movies to have the potential to become the best movie of the year. We can be the judge of that in june. :)
Iron Man has the biggest baggage of all: anonymity. It needed Marvel's huge marketing arm to lift him off the ground. At least people know who Hulk is and those who always have the slightest interest on him will watch the movie. Compared to Iron Man, Hulk has a bit of advantage. Same with Batman Begins. Batman Begins problem is promotion. It simply wasn't there.
The Chris
06-01-2008, 10:37 AM
Looks like sex and the city and Indiana Jones both made about 19 or 20 million yesterday. Iron Man looks like a 6.5 million.
http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-off-2.html
There you have it. SATC had a huge on Saturday...Hulk numbers is where that movie is headed.
Indy did well all things considered. Iron Man is unstoppable it would seem. The Strangers has been a huge surprise.
TheVileOne
06-01-2008, 10:49 AM
Sex And The City will still make enough to be successful. While I've never been a fan of the show, for an HBO cable show to get a fairly middle of the road budget (in term of movies these days) to open that big is pretty notable. But it won't break $200 million.
Iron Man getting over $6 million on its fifth Saturday would be great. That would more than likely put it over $275 million today. Really looking forward to the early estimaes.
I believe AD was banned for getting into too many fights on the Hulk forums.
Yeah, SATC will make enough "to be successful", I guess, but with a $28 million opening day, there is virtually no excuse for not crossing $70 million. If the estimates are correct, the film would have to make $23 million on Sunday to do so (unlikely). So while it will have gotten some success, I'd still say it's going to leave the studio with a "what should/could have been" reaction.
And Iron Man, whoa...$6.5 million on its fifth Saturday is jaw-dropping. The film is looking strong for finishing in the top 10 all-time fifth weekends.
Estimates are in!
SATC:
$26.9 on Fri/$17.9 on Sat/$10.8 on Sun (WHAT A DROP!) for $55 million opening weekend. Didn't even break $60 million! HA!
Indy:
$12.2 on Fri/$19.8 on Sat/13.8 on Sun (only dropped 54%) for $46 million
The Strangers shock with $20 million
Iron Man pulls in $14 million, 9th all time for fifth weekends. Depending on the final numbers, it could go as high as 6th.
Heretic
06-01-2008, 11:57 AM
Why is anyone putting The Golden Girls movie down??? It is having the biggest opening weekend ever for a movie headlined by a female. The tv show was horrible, but the chicks obviously dig it.
I think what a lot of people underestimated was that every week women would get together and throw SITC parties and gab with their friends about "Oh, Buffy...you're the Carrie of our group hee hee hee hee hee hee". Those same women are now going in groups to see the movie, and its opening is huge, compared to its budget and expectations.
Also, the movie will be massive on DVD, if only to complete the collections for the tv show watchers.
Expect MASSIVE dropoffs for it next weekend (heck, its already dropping off), but the movie is a success.
I SEE SPIDEY
06-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Indy (sadly) recovered and had a pretty damn impressive drop.
As I suspected, SATC was hugely frontloaded and will have terrible legs. It will be lucky to get a 2.0 multiplier. Expect a high 60's to early 70's drop for it next weekend.
Iron Man is a monster and is totally the new Spider-Man. It's a lock for 300mil+ and will make up for the lost that Marvel will suffer after the TIH bearly cracks 100mil.
Prince Caspian actually had a decent drop but it's too little too late. It should have opened with far more and held up better last weekend.
The Strangers did fantastically.
I'm going to say, I think that Indy will still beat The Man of Iron but I believe that IM will be the highest grossing comicbook movie of the summer/year.
Yeah, Indy 4 will beat Iron Man thanks to its massive opening and respectable drop.
I'm still not sure that TIH will bomb like some people are saying. If the film is decent enough there's no reason it shouldn't do well enough to make back its own budget.
On another note, Iron Man's fifth weekend is higher than Narnia's 3rd. Hilarious. Also, IM only dropped 31%, which is mind boggling.
Ace Frehley
06-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Nice to see Indy kicking ass, should definatly be the highest grossing film of the year :up: ...hopefully Indy 5 is on thew way.
ultimatefan
06-01-2008, 12:12 PM
Why is anyone putting The Golden Girls movie down??? It is having the biggest opening weekend ever for a movie headlined by a female. The tv show was horrible, but the chicks obviously dig it.
I think what a lot of people underestimated was that every week women would get together and throw SITC parties and gab with their friends about "Oh, Buffy...you're the Carrie of our group hee hee hee hee hee hee". Those same women are now going in groups to see the movie, and its opening is huge, compared to its budget and expectations.
Also, the movie will be massive on DVD, if only to complete the collections for the tv show watchers.
Expect MASSIVE dropoffs for it next weekend (heck, its already dropping off), but the movie is a success.
I actually watched that show for a while, cuz it was kinda funny to see those women talking about sex in more graphic terms than a rapper would use... But theyīre basically neurotic, self-obsessed, shallow, high-maintenance divas, and STILL, they canīt find love because oh men are such jerks...
Nice to see Indy kicking ass, should definatly be the highest grossing film of the year :up: ...hopefully Indy 5 is on the way.
Hopefully. At this point a sequel is inevitable (due to the box office success). Perhaps they'll make another trilogy?
Heretic
06-01-2008, 12:19 PM
Oh, and lets not forget the time honored tradion of judging womens beauty...
Women elevate less attractive women into the sex symbol status, whereas men are still assuring them that they are wrong.
Its basically this, women like to believe that they are beautiful, so therefore women like Sarah Jessica Parker, Renee Zellwegger etc are extremely beautiful. The majority of men have spoken and said...uh...we (in general) prefer Megan Fox and Elisha Cuthbert. Women in turn think those girls are ugly skanks.
Its basically an issue of pride...yes...Im saying it...SITC is a hit because women want to feel good about themselves.
I SEE SPIDEY
06-01-2008, 12:22 PM
Indy would have been such a letdown if I actually expected something. Good for the two beards pockets though. Let many a movie it doesn't derserve the money that it's making but it's still making it. Reminds me of Transformers last year.
NoirMan82
06-01-2008, 12:32 PM
Wow, I'm has been out for almost a month and it's still in the top 5. This movie has awesome legs, and over half of a billion dollars in cash already? Bravo. I have to say that people are really low balling TIH. if Ghost Rider, let me repeat this, GHOST RIDER broke 100 mil, the Hulk has to do double that. These days Marvel is much more of a household name than it was with Hulk 03' and I don't think bad word of mouth will ruin this new film. I would love to say that a more well known character like Hulk would pull in IM numbers, but that's unlikely. It's so sad how Ang's film is tainting this one, but that's life. In, the same way Batman Begins' gross was effected by the bad taste of B & R, I expect Hulk's gross to follow the same. $210,000,000 for TIH.
ultimatefan
06-01-2008, 12:41 PM
Here is the early Box Office Mojo estimates: IM had another awesome weekend and reached 276m. Indy 4 didnīt perform bad for a post-memorial day weekend and dropped a reasonable 54%. SATC wasnīt quite the juggernaut friday numbers suggested and made 55m.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2008&wknd=22&p=.htm
Why'd you give us a link to Narnia's international box office numbers?
Anita18
06-01-2008, 12:56 PM
Oh, and lets not forget the time honored tradion of judging womens beauty...
Women elevate less attractive women into the sex symbol status, whereas men are still assuring them that they are wrong.
Its basically this, women like to believe that they are beautiful, so therefore women like Sarah Jessica Parker, Renee Zellwegger etc are extremely beautiful. The majority of men have spoken and said...uh...we (in general) prefer Megan Fox and Elisha Cuthbert. Women in turn think those girls are ugly skanks.
Its basically an issue of pride...yes...Im saying it...SITC is a hit because women want to feel good about themselves.
...I can't think of any women who think SJP is hot. A "style icon" because of stuff she wears, yeah, but she's definitely not mainstream attractive. I can see how women like her, because she's NOT the mainstream ideal of beauty and thus is not intimidating a la Megan Fox. Women are into SATC because of the girl-talk and designer clothing/shoe porn, not because the actresses are hot. Otherwise it would be more popular with men. :cwink:
You must be basing your theory on women you know who don't exist. :oldrazz:
Hiruu
06-01-2008, 01:02 PM
SATC had some pretty staggering results gents...no other way to slice it. I'm really happy my wife thinks the show is stupid, and has ZERO interest in seeing it, and she lets me see my flicks without hassle. She didn't want to see IM, Does want to see Hulk, and is crazy about Bats, since she watched the cartoons as a kid...so...I'm in the sweet spot, but SATC posted 10 million over the most striking estimates, which is a massive hit in my book...the movie is probably going to do about $120-130 million for a chick flick that cost HOW MUCH TO PRODUCE??? pretty smashing ratios and we can expect to see a sequel...probably also see a Saprono film too...no The Wire film tho. Anyway...what can one say about Iron Man...not much...I thought $12-14 mil and I'm glad to see it at the top of the range...$300 mil looks to be a lock, and based on Indy's performance...I still think IM can take the domestic crown, but Indy will take international and WW totals. I think with TIH and other films, Indy is simply not going to have sufficient legs to stretch it out to match IM's tally, even tho the film is $35 million ahead on tracking...we will see on the weekly tho. HULK MUST SMASH!!!:cmad:
ultimatefan
06-01-2008, 01:04 PM
Why'd you give us a link to Narnia's international box office numbers?
Copied wrong link, sorry. Itīs fixed now.
Heretic
06-01-2008, 01:07 PM
...I can't think of any women who think SJP is hot. A "style icon" because of stuff she wears, yeah, but she's definitely not mainstream attractive. I can see how women like her, because she's NOT the mainstream ideal of beauty and thus is not intimidating a la Megan Fox. Women are into SATC because of the girl-talk and designer clothing/shoe porn, not because the actresses are hot. Otherwise it would be more popular with men. :cwink:
You must be basing your theory on women you know who don't exist. :oldrazz:
Uh no...thats my point!
How many men drool over Rene Zelwegger??? Yet tons of women thinks shes exceptionally beautiful. The same can be said for Srah Jessica Parker, and I'll throw names like Julia Roberts in that basic category as well.
Guys are not overly attracted to these women...we (in general) prefer the Playboy model types and all of that. Howver, women DO think these ladies are beautiful. The reason for this has nothing to do with style. Its because, subconsciously, if THAT is beautiful, then ANY woman could be beautiful and sexy and a star.
There is just no doubt about it, womens idea of beautiful celebrities and mens dea are TOTALLY different.
Men are more rational on these issues. We are fully aware that Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp are good looking guys. None of us are wondering why women arent trying to hook up with Mickey Rourke or Danny Devito. In fact, we're stunned that these guys get chicks at all.
The market for Sex In The City will swear all day that SJP and her type are the most beautiful women in Hollywood, and that the women in Maxim are ugly skanks.
And for the record...I know plenty of women...only half of which are imaginary.
ultimatefan
06-01-2008, 01:10 PM
Uh no...thats my point!
How many men drool over Rene Zelwegger??? Yet tons of women thinks shes exceptionally beautiful. The same can be said for Srah Jessica Parker, and I'll throw names like Julia Roberts in that basic category as well.
Guys are not overly attracted to these women...we (in general) prefer the Playboy model types and all of that. Howver, women DO think these ladies are beautiful. The reason for this has nothing to do with style. Its because, subconsciously, if THAT is beautiful, then ANY woman could be beautiful and sexy and a star.
There is just no doubt about it, womens idea of beautiful celebrities and mens dea are TOTALLY different.
Men are more rational on these issues. We are fully aware that Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp are good looking guys. None of us are wondering why women arent trying to hook up with Mickey Rourke or Danny Devito. In fact, we're stunned that these guys get chicks at all.
The market for Sex In The City will swear all day that SJP and her type are the most beautiful women in Hollywood, and that the women in Maxim are ugly skanks.
And for the record...I know plenty of women...only half of which are imaginary.
It can also be pointed out that beautiful doesnīt mean necessarily sexy. I think Julia Roberts can be considered beautiful, but in a more woman-next-door way, while Angelina Jolie or Scarlett Johannson or Megan Fox are more of the "sex goddess" types.
I also think men are real hardasses when it comes to beauty in movie actresses and stuff, but in real life weīre far from being so demanding. They call a lot of women ugly around here, but if someone who looked like that asked them out on a date, theyīd jump all over it. And I say that as someone who once dated - and occasionally still snuggles with - a "Playboy cover" type.
Dotten
06-01-2008, 01:12 PM
Iron Man success will make sure that TIH will do good. I hope Marvel can keep this up, It's just wonderfull that Iron Man is going full speed ahead.
Hiruu
06-01-2008, 01:14 PM
Uh no...thats my point!
And for the record...I know plenty of women...only half of which are imaginary.
ROFLOL...btw...my wife like Brad Pitt, but she has the image of him from Thelma and Louise burned into her brain...so he's not the beefcake in Troy image...women are weird like that...I look at the hear and now...the rational me knoes that Pamela Anderson is a shank, and I'm not going to look for a "relationship" with someone like that...other than 1 am for some of THAT "relationship"...we are just wired differently.
Heretic
06-01-2008, 01:28 PM
I will give you that Julia Roberts is more beautiful than the cow that lives next door to me...but for research purposes...I went next door and just asked the bovine goddess if she thinks that SJP and Rene Zelwegger are beautiful and she gushed about how gorgeous they are. (and for the record, it was gravy-flavored gushing). I then showed her a random Maxim I had laying around and asked her what she thought of the models/actresses in them and she thought they were all ugly and were demeaning to women.
This is WAY off topic, but before I got involved in the music industry I was a modeling scout/agent. During that time, EVERY woman I met told me "I've always wanted to be a model, we should do some pictures and see where it goes". It didnt mater if these girls were short and fat with faces like the Moons surface...it is inherent in them to want to be beautiful. This is why they raise up less attractive women as "beautiful" celebrities.
I realize that I look like a sexist here, but I'm also right.
I do agree that men will trash some actresses as ugly on a message bord, but would fall all over themselves to date a girl that looked just like her in real life. I do NOT think that this applies to SJP or Zellwegger or any of those types though.
Anita18
06-01-2008, 01:31 PM
Maybe it's a regional thing. I live near LA and nobody's that delusional, but then again we do have plastic surgery queens who think fake tans, Botox, and duck lips are hot. :funny:
It's always something.
Thread hijack!
Anyway, back on topic.
One can only wonder how jaw-dropping Iron Man 2 will do at the box office if it is just as good or better than the first.
Heretic
06-01-2008, 01:46 PM
Iron Man is being considered one of, if not the best superhero movie of all time by a lot of critics/people. If Iron man 2 is almost as good as the first one then I'll be happy.
samsnee
06-01-2008, 03:13 PM
Agreed...it's all about word of mouth and expectation. I think outside the comic book fan base, there wasn't high expectation of quality. But now, the bar's definitely raised. Hopefully they can come up with a good storyline and villain and not re-hash another armor vs armor battle. I think audiences would want something new.
Jon Hex
06-01-2008, 04:30 PM
Damn. Iron Man turned into a real BO monster.
Let's hope some of this rubs off TIH.
kedrell
06-01-2008, 04:57 PM
Thread hijack!
Anyway, back on topic.
One can only wonder how jaw-dropping Iron Man 2 will do at the box office if it is just as good or better than the first.
I could see it doing POTC2 numbers.
Fanticon
06-01-2008, 05:01 PM
I finally got my brother and his wife to see it...they live a few timezones away...but anyway i had been talking it up for a whole month...I've seen it 3 times now...and before he was like "I don't know...it looks too Fantastic Four-ish" and he has pretty much given up on Comic Book movies after my bad recommendations that he go see X3 and Spiderman 3. But he texted me right after he saw it and was way enthusiastic about it and loved it! He and his wife...they usually like artsy films and hate popcorn movies but I reminded him that we all grew up reading the comics and watching the cartoons and that Iron Man is one of the better adaptations of the batch....but my point is that this movie is fueled by great word of mouth...and thats why it continues to do well...its not news to us but I wanted to share that little story:woot:
kedrell
06-01-2008, 05:09 PM
^Nice story. :up::woot:
Kargo Warrior
06-01-2008, 05:41 PM
"Iron Man," which had been the year's top performer until this weekend, mined another $8 million at 5,000 to pull its foreign cume to $243 million. Combined with the domestic total, the actioner's racked up $520 million worldwide to rank 52nd on that list.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117986714.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
explode7
06-01-2008, 05:53 PM
So it made 55M OW. Thats still alot for a movie like SATC.
TheVileOne
06-01-2008, 06:13 PM
Indiana Jones will not beat Iron Man, because Iron Man is still making money.
Next weekend, Iron Man breaks $290 million.
Docker, prepare to be sigged.
S.A.A.D.
06-01-2008, 06:16 PM
Indiana Jones will not beat Iron Man, because Iron Man is still making money.
Next weekend, Iron Man breaks $290 million.
Docker, prepare to be sigged.
*High fives TheVileOne
:grin:
S.A.A.D.
06-01-2008, 06:17 PM
Indiana Jones will not beat Iron Man, because Iron Man is still making money.
Next weekend, Iron Man breaks $290 million.
Docker, prepare to be sigged.
What signature are you going to make him use? Hehehe.
TheVileOne
06-01-2008, 06:19 PM
I haven't decided yet, but it should reflect my pure, unadultered awesomeness over anyone on these boards. And the fact that I was one of the first to say $300 million.
explode7
06-01-2008, 06:26 PM
^I think I was one of the first to say 300M.
Raiden
06-01-2008, 06:32 PM
IM is still going strong, and I'm surprised that Indy can't beat SOTC.
explode7
06-01-2008, 06:47 PM
^SOTC? Sex on the City??? lol
Raiden
06-01-2008, 07:22 PM
^SOTC? Sex on the City??? lol
SATC. :o
explode7
06-01-2008, 07:38 PM
Hey guys more successes for Iron Man. It just won Best Summer movie so far award at the MTV Movie awards. :up: :up: Its a coincidence Goblin Jr. Announced the award. :hehe:
S.A.A.D.
06-01-2008, 07:47 PM
IM is still going strong, and I'm surprised that Indy can't beat SOTC.
:funny:
S.A.A.D.
06-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Hey guys more successes for Iron Man. It just won Best Summer movie so far award at the MTV Movie awards. :up: :up: Its a coincidence Goblin Jr. Announced the award. :hehe:
That's nice.
Ace Frehley
06-01-2008, 09:42 PM
Indy should easily pass Iron Man at this rate.
SLYspyder
06-01-2008, 10:50 PM
Indy (sadly) recovered and had a pretty damn impressive drop.
As I suspected, SATC was hugely frontloaded and will have terrible legs. It will be lucky to get a 2.0 multiplier. Expect a high 60's to early 70's drop for it next weekend.
Iron Man is a monster and is totally the new Spider-Man. It's a lock for 300mil+ and will make up for the lost that Marvel will suffer after the TIH bearly cracks 100mil.
Prince Caspian actually had a decent drop but it's too little too late. It should have opened with far more and held up better last weekend.
The Strangers did fantastically.
I'm going to say, I think that Indy will still beat The Man of Iron but I believe that IM will be the highest grossing comicbook movie of the summer/year.
Sigh, I simply CANNOT wait till you eat your words about TIH.
Yeah, Indy 4 will beat Iron Man thanks to its massive opening and respectable drop.
I'm still not sure that TIH will bomb like some people are saying. If the film is decent enough there's no reason it shouldn't do well enough to make back its own budget.
On another note, Iron Man's fifth weekend is higher than Narnia's 3rd. Hilarious. Also, IM only dropped 31%, which is mind boggling.
Sorry, it's going to take a lot more than that to be #1 movie of year. The legs just are not there. Don't forget about the impending competition, which IM didn't have to fight off really, with Caspian and Racer flopping. Now if the drop was below 50%, that's another story. Indy had a good start but is losing steam at a little bit faster rate than IM.
Wow, I'm has been out for almost a month and it's still in the top 5. This movie has awesome legs, and over half of a billion dollars in cash already? Bravo. I have to say that people are really low balling TIH. if Ghost Rider, let me repeat this, GHOST RIDER broke 100 mil, the Hulk has to do double that. These days Marvel is much more of a household name than it was with Hulk 03' and I don't think bad word of mouth will ruin this new film. I would love to say that a more well known character like Hulk would pull in IM numbers, but that's unlikely. It's so sad how Ang's film is tainting this one, but that's life. In, the same way Batman Begins' gross was effected by the bad taste of B & R, I expect Hulk's gross to follow the same. $210,000,000 for TIH.
People need to understand is that yes, people were turned off by the 2003 movie, but Hulk merchandise selling like crazy STILL since then shows people still love big green.
Uh no...thats my point!
How many men drool over Rene Zelwegger??? Yet tons of women thinks shes exceptionally beautiful. The same can be said for Srah Jessica Parker, and I'll throw names like Julia Roberts in that basic category as well.
Guys are not overly attracted to these women...we (in general) prefer the Playboy model types and all of that. Howver, women DO think these ladies are beautiful. The reason for this has nothing to do with style. Its because, subconsciously, if THAT is beautiful, then ANY woman could be beautiful and sexy and a star.
There is just no doubt about it, womens idea of beautiful celebrities and mens idea are TOTALLY different.
Men are more rational on these issues. We are fully aware that Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp are good looking guys. None of us are wondering why women arent trying to hook up with Mickey Rourke or Danny Devito. In fact, we're stunned that these guys get chicks at all.
The market for Sex In The City will swear all day that SJP and her type are the most beautiful women in Hollywood, and that the women in Maxim are ugly skanks.
And for the record...I know plenty of women...only half of which are imaginary.
You speak the truth, man. No argument whatsoever from me.
SLYspyder
06-01-2008, 10:52 PM
Hey guys more successes for Iron Man. It just won Best Summer movie so far award at the MTV Movie awards. :up: :up: Its a coincidence Goblin Jr. Announced the award. :hehe:
It's no wonder it won. The Iron Man movie is the epitome of everything MTV tries to be, which is cool.
Whoops..I used the 4 day totals, not the 3 day ones for my numbers.... Lets try that again:
My best guess for next weekend:
1. Indy 4 $52M
2. SATC $46M
3. The Strangers $16M
4. Iron Man $10M
5. Prince Caspian $9M
So it looks like I was off on my predictions for Iron Man as it held very well again! Dark Knight, Wall E, Hancock, Harry Potter and Indy have their work cut out for them if they want to beat Iron Man for the box office crown this year. :oldrazz:
Estimates:
1. SATC $55M
2. Indy 4 $46M
3. The Strangers $20M
4. Iron Man $14M
5. Prince Caspian $13M
Raiden
06-02-2008, 12:59 AM
So it looks like I was off on my predictions for Iron Man as it held very well again! Dark Knight, Wall E, Hancock, Harry Potter and Indy have their work cut out for them if they want to beat Iron Man for the box office crown this year. :oldrazz:
Estimates:
1. SATC $55M
2. Indy 4 $46M
3. The Strangers $20M
4. Iron Man $14M
5. Prince Caspian $13M
IM is actually making more money than Narnia, even though Narnia came out 2 weeks after IM. If the estimates hold, then we can see that IM has better legs than Disney's perceived blockbuster of this summer.
ultimatefan
06-02-2008, 05:56 AM
Breaking the 500m worldwide barrier is nothing short of amazing. Indy is still going to beat it, but thatīs more than expected. The Narnia disappointment was a surprise, it just comes to show that nothing is a "sure-fire".
I SEE SPIDEY
06-02-2008, 11:03 AM
Sigh, I simply CANNOT wait till you eat your words about TIH.You have your predictions and I have mine. I think that my prediction is far less crazier than the 200mil+ predictions that I've been seeing. Yes, Ang Lee's reviled movie from 5 years ago is not going to have any effect what-so-ever on the new film.
You have your predictions and I have mine. I think that my prediction is far less crazier than the 200mil+ predictions that I've been seeing. Yes Ang Lee's reviled movie from 5 years ago is going to have no effect what-so-ever on the new film.
$200 million might be a bit optimistic for TIH, but saying it will barely crack $100 million is simply nonsensical. What justification do you have for that prediction?
Hulk should do around $50M on the opening weekend alone! I am sure it will make at least $140M, and if it is better than the first movie perhaps $200M is in reach.:bh: I am interested to see how Dark Knight does at the box office. I think it may not be as huge as some people think.....
I SEE SPIDEY
06-02-2008, 12:12 PM
$200 million might be a bit optimistic for TIH, but saying it will barely crack $100 million is simply nonsensical. What justification do you have for that prediction?I've already explained that I think that the first movie would hurt it greatly. If TIH makes 200mil I will eat my Spider-Man DVD.
I too don't think that TDK will do as well as other people think.
chiefchirpa
06-02-2008, 12:46 PM
WOM is going to save a film, regardless if the previous movie is bad (Batman Begins) or the character is completely off the radar (Iron Man).
DBZ2cool
06-02-2008, 12:47 PM
Spider-man is thing of the past. IRON MAN is the new phenomenon.
S.A.A.D.
06-02-2008, 12:52 PM
Iron Man's
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $276,625,000 53.2%+ Foreign: $243,000,000 46.8%= Worldwide: $519,625,000
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm
SLYspyder
06-02-2008, 01:00 PM
$200 million might be a bit optimistic for TIH, but saying it will barely crack $100 million is simply nonsensical. What justification do you have for that prediction?
IMO, anything less than $180M should be deemed a disappointment. The first one made $132, you think the studios are re releasing FIVE years later so they can barely get $150M? Don't think so.
You up for a signature bet I see spidey? I sure as hell am. Hulk will make at least $180M domestic.
FaT_tONle
06-02-2008, 01:07 PM
How long do summer films normally run for? I mean the daily singles here on out will be less than a million... you gotto think 4.5, 3, 2, 1 million respectively for the days in between weekends from this week on. For weekends I'll go 9, 5, 4, 3 from next weekend through... at that rate it will barely hit 300 three weeks from today. Do these films typically run for a good two months or what?
Docker2.0
06-02-2008, 01:26 PM
I'm hoping Hulk makes at least $180M. But I also think they waited to late to market it. But here's hoping I'm wrong. TDK, won't make as much as people like theVileOne thinks! :cmad:
AD sux! I know dude is still here but he won't even give me a shout out! I thought we was cooler than that. :(
FlawlessVictory
06-02-2008, 01:29 PM
How long do summer films normally run for? I mean the daily singles here on out will be less than a million... you gotto think 4.5, 3, 2, 1 million respectively for the days in between weekends from this week on. For weekends I'll go 9, 5, 4, 3 from next weekend through... at that rate it will barely hit 300 three weeks from today. Do these films typically run for a good two months or what?
I believe they do. IIRC, Superman Returns came out in June and ran through September. Although, this summer is more crowded with movies, I would imagine most theaters would keep this running as long as possible as it has proven to be the movie most people want to see.
I would imagine when its domestic run is over it will be at around $310 mil.
FlawlessVictory
06-02-2008, 01:32 PM
I'm hoping Hulk makes at least $180M. But I also think they waited to late to market it. But here's hoping I'm wrong. TDK, won't make as much as people like theVileOne thinks! :cmad:
AD sux! I know dude is still here but he won't even give me a shout out! I thought we was cooler than that. :(
LOL, well you thought IM wouldn't make as much TheVileOne thought, so it looks like you lost that one. :cwink: I think TIH will peform pretty well. I am going to say it gets close to $200 mil or maybe even reach it! :wow: The Marvel brand name is extremely strong right now.
That would be great if it hits 200 mil domestic(TIH).
Personally, I hope to hell Iron Man makes it to 300 mil.
When it comes to TDK, I want it to do well to guarantee another sequel(from Nolan hopefully) but I don't want it to do that great...or better than Iron Man.
I may be more of a Batman fan but I'm really getting sick of all the bias and moronic opinions over in the Bat boards.
I love Batman too but I don't let that blind me from common sense and thinking with my head. Too many fans are talking like this movie is going to make the most out of all the summer films and squash everything else, including Iron Man.
I think it's going to do well, but not as well as a lot of those fanboys think.
FlawlessVictory
06-02-2008, 03:05 PM
That would be great if it hits 200 mil domestic(TIH).
Personally, I hope to hell Iron Man makes it to 300 mil.
IM is already a lock for $300 mil. The only question now is $310 mil, $315 etc...
When it comes to TDK, I want it to do well to guarantee another sequel(from Nolan hopefully) but I don't want it to do that great...or better than Iron Man.
LOL, well if it will help you sleep better, I wouldn't worry. TDK has no shot whatsoever of topping IM. It's impossible at this point. TDK brings nothing new to the table and it will be impossible to top the reviews and WOM IM has received. Not too mention the economy continues to get worse and worse. $250 mil for TDK, $260 mil tops if it gets lucky, take it to the bank!
IM is already a lock for $300 mil. The only question now is $310 mil, $315 etc...
LOL, well if it will help you sleep better, I wouldn't worry. TDK has no shot whatsoever of topping IM. It's impossible at this point. TDK brings nothing new to the table and it will be impossible to top the reviews and WOM IM has received. Not too mention the economy continues to get worse and worse. $250 mil for TDK, $260 mil tops if it gets lucky, take it the bank!
It's not about sleeping better or anything like that. If TDK were to do better than Iron Man(which I doubt it will) I will still be pretty damn happy.
My problem is all of the other Batman fans that are going to be talking mad **** if that happens.
I only want it to do so well, to kind of slap a lot of the "fanboy" types in the Batman boards across the face. I'm hyped for TDK but don't go around bashing Iron Man or TIH because of it. They make rational Batman fans like myself look bad.
Fanticon
06-02-2008, 03:13 PM
I'm glad IM is doing so well...this is just unprecedented....i didn't even think it was gonna come close to X3's take...actually I think initially I agreed with EW's predictions that it would hit 265m but...seriously...this one is going all the way!! It'll be at 300 million just before Hulk hits theaters...and at that point even if TIH flops...it won't matter...cuz theres no stopping IM...its final take could possibly end with 325 now...IM embodies everything that makes not only the perfect superhero movie...but a perfect summer/popcorn movie that all audiences can enjoy...its got great wom, its getting repeat viewings from fans and non fans...it had the best placed release date it could possibly get! I'm blown away at just how well it continues to do...I walked away expecting this after seeing it...Downey, Favs, Marvel, Paramount...everyone involved with finally taking on the big screen adaptation of IM will be rejoicing for years to come and all the way till the sequel! 2010 here we come!
I SEE SPIDEY
06-02-2008, 03:25 PM
IMO, anything less than $180M should be deemed a disappointment. The first one made $132, you think the studios are re releasing FIVE years later so they can barely get $150M? Don't think so.
You up for a signature bet I see spidey? I sure as hell am. Hulk will make at least $180M domestic.I already have a bet with Matt and Showtime that it won't make as much as the first movie, so nah. I'll already pay if If I'm wrong. You can gloat by looking at my shirtless Tom Welling avatar.
I seriously don't understand the predictions for TIH, I just don't. 200mil? Based on what exactly? Because Iron Man was well received? Iron Man's success has nothing to do with TIH, nothing at all. I hate to bring this up because it might not be really indictive of anything and I just hate when people bring up the "but my family or friends loved or hated it" excuses, but my kids (Neice and nephews) love these sorts of movies and refuse to see this one because the first one was and I quote "so boring." Seriously my sister and I am not seeing it in theaters for that very reason. Again I'm not saying that a few folk in my family not seeing it means that it's going to bomb but I get the feeling that we are not alone and will be waiting for Netflix.
Jon Hex
06-02-2008, 03:33 PM
That would be great if it hits 200 mil domestic(TIH).
Personally, I hope to hell Iron Man makes it to 300 mil.
When it comes to TDK, I want it to do well to guarantee another sequel(from Nolan hopefully) but I don't want it to do that great...or better than Iron Man.
I may be more of a Batman fan but I'm really getting sick of all the bias and moronic opinions over in the Bat boards.
I love Batman too but I don't let that blind me from common sense and thinking with my head. Too many fans are talking like this movie is going to make the most out of all the summer films and squash everything else, including Iron Man.
I think it's going to do well, but not as well as a lot of those fanboys think.
Whether TDK can top IronMan or not, it's great to see that not all Bat fans go around bashing other movies.:up::up:
FlawlessVictory
06-02-2008, 03:35 PM
I seriously don't understand the predictions for TIH, I just don't. 200mil? Based on what exactly? Because Iron Man was well received? Iron Man's success has nothing to do with TIH, nothing at all. I hate to bring this up because it might not be really indictive of anything and I just hate when people bring up the "but my family or friends loved or hated it" excuses, but my kids (Neice and nephews) love these sorts of movies and refuse to see this one because the first one was and I quote "so boring." Seriously my sister and I am not seeing it in theaters for that very reason. Again I'm not saying that a few folk in my family not seeing it means that it's going to bomb but I get the feeling that we are not alone and will be waiting for Netflix.
So you won't be seeing TIH because the Ang Lee version was boring? I don't see what TIH has to do with the Ang version other than they both feature the Hulk. Both films are being handled quite differently. What if the film gets good reviews and you know some people who see it and mention how good it was and that you should see it, would you reconsider?
fallenAngel
06-02-2008, 03:42 PM
I can honestly say that I am on the fence about TIH. I actually kind of liked the first one, but am not really a fan of the character.
Really surprised about the Strangers. I saw it, it was ...okay. But 20 million for a horror movie at the end of May is really surprising.
anyone else feel like 300 million for Iron man isn't enough now. I feel greedy, I want it to make more. Like, a lot more.
S.A.A.D.
06-02-2008, 03:51 PM
So you won't be seeing TIH because the Ang Lee version was boring? I don't see what TIH has to do with the Ang version other than they both feature the Hulk. Both films are being handled quite differently. What if the film gets good reviews and you know some people who see it and mention how good it was and that you should see it, would you reconsider?
I agree,I mean I could understand her(ISeeSpidey) if Ang Lee was directing TIH. But he isn't.
I can honestly say that I am on the fence about TIH. I actually kind of liked the first one, but am not really a fan of the character.
Really surprised about the Strangers. I saw it, it was ...okay. But 20 million for a horror movie at the end of May is really surprising.
anyone else feel like 300 million for Iron man isn't enough now. I feel greedy, I want it to make more. Like, a lot more.
R-rated horror film. :wow:
fallenAngel
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
I think more and more people are learning that R-rated movies can make bank.
I mean between this and SatC it was a great weakend for R-rated movies. And I just found out the Strangers only cost 9 million to make. I knew it was probably cheap, but man. That has to be a nice feeling, earning a sizable profit in just three days.
Raiden
06-02-2008, 05:11 PM
So you won't be seeing TIH because the Ang Lee version was boring? I don't see what TIH has to do with the Ang version other than they both feature the Hulk. Both films are being handled quite differently. What if the film gets good reviews and you know some people who see it and mention how good it was and that you should see it, would you reconsider?
Agreed. Batman was once associated with Schmacher, and if people boycotted TIH just because of Ang Lee's version, then they shouldn't go see TDK either.
I think more and more people are learning that R-rated movies can make bank.
I mean between this and SatC it was a great weakend for R-rated movies. And I just found out the Strangers only cost 9 million to make. I knew it was probably cheap, but man. That has to be a nice feeling, earning a sizable profit in just three days.
The most most amazing thing about Iron Man was that it only needed to wait less than a week to make it all back. For a film with a budget of $140 million, that's pretty sweet. If you include the international box office then Iron Man made back its entire budget on its opening weekend as well. Very impressive.
kyuubijavi1
06-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Agreed. Batman was once associated with Schmacher, and if people boycotted TIH just because of Ang Lee's version, then they shouldn't go see TDK either.
Theres a huge difference in that logic
every one even critics and fans couldn't seem to get passed the idea of Batman and Robin some went on to call it a prequel even after it was stated to not be one which hurt the movie and that was with a 8 year gap between films
So when people say i didnt like the first hulk i wont like the second chances are TIH is relying on word of mouth just like begins did
I mean damn its only been 3 years if people couldn't get the bad taste of B&R out of there mouths after 8 years some wont check out the new hulk movie out of ignorance
kyuubijavi1
06-02-2008, 07:36 PM
That would be great if it hits 200 mil domestic(TIH).
Personally, I hope to hell Iron Man makes it to 300 mil.
When it comes to TDK, I want it to do well to guarantee another sequel(from Nolan hopefully) but I don't want it to do that great...or better than Iron Man.
I may be more of a Batman fan but I'm really getting sick of all the bias and moronic opinions over in the Bat boards.
I love Batman too but I don't let that blind me from common sense and thinking with my head. Too many fans are talking like this movie is going to make the most out of all the summer films and squash everything else, including Iron Man.
I think it's going to do well, but not as well as a lot of those fanboys think.
hmm, I'm not going to start a flame war or anything but Iron Man came out of no where
and most people thought the movie wouldn't make that much cause it was up against Speed and Narnia but both movies flopped which made people go hey lets watch Iron Man again now other than that
This summer top movies have always been Indy and Bats
Indy made how much 300 mil in one week or something
i wouldnt be surprised if TDK makes around 200 mil in its first week as well now im not going to say it can beat out Iron Man i mean IM is much more of a every one can come in and enjoy this type of movie over TDK but to underestimate TDK is like wtf its biggest competition will be a musical and sci fi bull along with monkeys
when TDK does come out and honestly look at the hype tdk has had since December imagine what its going to be in july underestimating TDK is a big mistake especially if it lives up to be everything that its hyped up to be.
TheVileOne
06-02-2008, 08:11 PM
$276 million. $280 million before weekend 5 is very possible. Either way, it will hit over $285 million after weekend 6.
OK so what are we looking at. I think keeping that in mind, Iron Man will break $300 million after weekend 8. And that's only EIGHT weekends. It will still be in theatres for at least another month after that.
Indiana Jones 4 is still not at $300 million. Patooey!
Just to reiterate. In only FIVE to SIX weekends, Iron Man will surpass what many people here thought would be its BO ceiling even after it made almost $100 million opening weekend.
Staying power, long legs, and longevity are all terms to describe Iron Man in theatres.
SLYspyder
06-02-2008, 11:05 PM
I already have a bet with Matt and Showtime that it won't make as much as the first movie, so nah. I'll already pay if If I'm wrong. You can gloat by looking at my shirtless Tom Welling avatar.
I seriously don't understand the predictions for TIH, I just don't. 200mil? Based on what exactly? Because Iron Man was well received? Iron Man's success has nothing to do with TIH, nothing at all. I hate to bring this up because it might not be really indictive of anything and I just hate when people bring up the "but my family or friends loved or hated it" excuses, but my kids (Neice and nephews) love these sorts of movies and refuse to see this one because the first one was and I quote "so boring." Seriously my sister and I am not seeing it in theaters for that very reason. Again I'm not saying that a few folk in my family not seeing it means that it's going to bomb but I get the feeling that we are not alone and will be waiting for Netflix.
Based on what? Based on this IS the Hulk movie people have been waiting for. Based on those are the numbers Ang's Hulk should've easily surpassed if it didn't suck so bad. Based on the Hulk, regardless of the first movie sucking, still is one of the most popular Marvel characters.
FaT_tONle
06-02-2008, 11:29 PM
I See Spidey and a few others will come up with the excuses once they realize they were dead wrong ... again. Just do us a favor and don't bother making excuses as to why this film made more money than you thought it would when we are sitting here three weeks from now. Don't bother showing up to the box office thread for that matter.
Docker2.0
06-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Well.......looks like I'm going to win my bet TVO. IM won't get 300M by the 6th weekend which was the deal though I'm sure you are going to deny it. :o
Well.......looks like I'm going to win my bet TVO. IM won't get 300M by the 6th weekend which was the deal though I'm sure you are going to deny it. :o
Whatever you say. You still haven't quoted all of these "supposed" instances where you claimed it wouldn't cross $300 million by week six.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 12:17 AM
Hey! I'm not in love with your tone! :cmad:
And I did say it a couple of times......well I actually said that by the time Hulk comes out but we settled on 6 weeks cuase who wants to wait 3 months to settle a bet. I want results now! :o
Hey! I'm not in love with your tone! :cmad:
And I did say it a couple of times......well I actually said that by the time Hulk comes out but we settled on 6 weeks cuase who wants to wait 3 months to settle a bet. I want results now! :o
I don't remember you saying it. I doubt TheVileOne does either, and we've been the two most prominent people who've been telling you it will break $300 million.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 12:49 AM
I don't know the meaning of the word prominent! :cmad:
:(
I don't know the meaning of the word prominent! :cmad:
It means "dominant". :oldrazz:
TheVileOne
06-03-2008, 02:34 AM
Docker, you accepted the bet on the terms of it making $300 million or not. A while ago you said if it only makes $299 it only makes $299.
I don't ever recall saying it would definitively make $300 million in six weekends via the terms of the bet. Though feel free to dig it up from this thread.
Tony Stark
06-03-2008, 10:29 AM
Well.......looks like I'm going to win my bet TVO. IM won't get 300M by the 6th weekend which was the deal though I'm sure you are going to deny it. :o
I'm calling BS on that, and I wasn't even involved in the bet. You pretty much said it wouldn't make 300 mil period. But as VileOne said, go back through your post history and send us a link.
Tony Stark
06-03-2008, 10:45 AM
Correction to the above, you said "280 tops". And Trunks said it would cross that in it's 6th weekend (which it will), which is why you are saying 300 in 6 weeks, trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
At least man up and admit you are wrong.
Raiden
06-03-2008, 10:50 AM
Theres a huge difference in that logic
every one even critics and fans couldn't seem to get passed the idea of Batman and Robin some went on to call it a prequel even after it was stated to not be one which hurt the movie and that was with a 8 year gap between films
So when people say i didnt like the first hulk i wont like the second chances are TIH is relying on word of mouth just like begins did
I mean damn its only been 3 years if people couldn't get the bad taste of B&R out of there mouths after 8 years some wont check out the new hulk movie out of ignorance
Actually, the last Hulk movie was 5 years ago, not 3 years.
Raiden
06-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Correction to the above, you said "280 tops". And Trunks said it would cross that in it's 6th weekend (which it will), which is why you are saying 300 in 6 weeks, trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
At least man up and admit you are wrong.
Yeah, I don't remember the prediction was for IM to make 300 mil in six weeks either.
<borkis>
06-03-2008, 11:11 AM
The most most amazing thing about Iron Man was that it only needed to wait less than a week to make it all back. For a film with a budget of $140 million, that's pretty sweet. If you include the international box office then Iron Man made back its entire budget on its opening weekend as well. Very impressive.
Well, that's assuming the movie studios get 100% of the ticket returns. They don't so, it takes a little longer for them to see profit on a film. Usually a film has to double its production budget before the studios start making money off of it. If it can do that in its theatrical run, then they make a killing once DVD sales and rentals are factored in.
CaptainStacy
06-03-2008, 11:15 AM
Well, that's assuming the movie studios get 100% of the ticket returns. They don't so, it takes a little longer for them to see profit on a film. Usually a film has to double its production budget before the studios start making money off of it. If it can do that in its theatrical run, then they make a killing once DVD sales and rentals are factored in.
I've heard the studios get to keep all of the opening weekend take, with the theaters making their money from concession stand sales, THEN it switches over to 50/50 for the box office...
Anyone know if that's true?
I've heard the studios get to keep all of the opening weekend take, with the theaters making their money from concession stand sales, THEN it switches over to 50/50 for the box office...
Anyone know if that's true?
I have a number of friends who worked at theatres in the past. From what they say, theatres pretty much only make profit off of their concessions...which is why they always push them in the adds before the trailers start.
Docker, you accepted the bet on the terms of it making $300 million or not. A while ago you said if it only makes $299 it only makes $299.
I don't ever recall saying it would definitively make $300 million in six weekends via the terms of the bet. Though feel free to dig it up from this thread.
I've told him a number of times to "quote" when he said "six weekends" (and if we ever acknowledged/agreed with it) to it but he has yet to.
CaptainStacy
06-03-2008, 11:47 AM
I've told him a number of times to "quote" when he said "six weekends" (and if we ever acknowledged/agreed with it) to it but he has yet to.
That's because he never put a time frame on it. :yay:
$300 million, domestic. Whether it takes six weeks, or six MONTHS was never specified.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Correction to the above, you said "280 tops". And Trunks said it would cross that in it's 6th weekend (which it will), which is why you are saying 300 in 6 weeks, trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
At least man up and admit you are wrong.
Never! :cmad: I'm going to dig it up. Give me a hour.
Tony Stark
06-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Nope! $280M max. :o And when it doesn't get $300M, I will be here to remind you all(especially you TheVileOne)about how I told you so! :cmad:
This is what you said.
Tony Stark
06-03-2008, 12:53 PM
Entertainment Weekly pitted IM's total domestic gross at 262.7m...thats pretty precise and it looks like its on course to probably break that.
This weekend I think it could climb to almost 245m or more. It's got plenty of steam still left in it...by June we're gonna start seeing the "see it again" TV ads...I've always enjoyed those :)
This was the predicted amount that VileOne said it would break in week 5.
And when it makes over $300 million Docker, you will have a signature of my choice.
Iron Man will break the EW prediction in its fifth weekend.
No where did ANYONE but you say it would break 300 in 5 or 6 weeks.
Raiden
06-03-2008, 01:03 PM
This was the predicted amount that VileOne said it would break in week 5.
No where did ANYONE but you say it would break 300 in 5 or 6 weeks.
Docker, you should just give up already.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 01:35 PM
No quit here baby! :o That's what Vile said. But I said by 6 weeks. It should be like 5 pages back. Hey! Get my quote not his! :cmad:
Raiden I thought you'd be on my side. I thought we both hated Kobe. United we stand! :(
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Hey! The deal was IM would make $300M before the Hulk came out, though I specifically said 3 weeks but I'm going to stretch it though I'm sure this movie will tap out at $280M......maybe a little more but still.
Oh yes. This is one of the post regarding the bet.
Raiden
06-03-2008, 02:17 PM
No quit here baby! :o That's what Vile said. But I said by 6 weeks. It should be like 5 pages back. Hey! Get my quote not his! :cmad:
Raiden I thought you'd be on my side. I thought we both hated Kobe. United we stand! :(
Huh? I hate Kobe? I think you got me confused with Mister J. :huh:
I'm a huge Lakers fan and Kobe is a deserving MVP.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 02:19 PM
Congrads Raiden, you just made the list! :cmad: :)
Raiden
06-03-2008, 02:27 PM
Congrads Raiden, you just made the list! :cmad: :)
Are you still smarting from your decision to switch from Lakers to Spurs as the winner in that series? :)
Tony Stark
06-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Oh yes. This is one of the post regarding the bet.
No that's just a quote of you restructuring the bet after the fact. The deal was that it would surpass the EW mark by week 5, which it will. Actually it passed it in week 4.
TheVileOne
06-03-2008, 07:28 PM
Docker is just trying to go back on the bet because he knows he lost.
Docker's prediction was $280 million. Iron Man will have $280 million before weekend 6. Iron Man is now at $277 million.
explode7
06-03-2008, 07:32 PM
People please settle this silly bet you're degrading the Iron Man forums.
TheVileOne
06-03-2008, 07:43 PM
The bet is over when Iron Man makes $300 million and Docker concedes defeat.
Docker is acting like Hillary Clinton.
nimrod
06-03-2008, 07:45 PM
^^Yeah. What's up with that?
explode7
06-03-2008, 08:07 PM
The bet is over when Iron Man makes $300 million and Docker concedes defeat.
Docker is acting like Hillary Clinton.
So that makes you Obama?
TheVileOne
06-03-2008, 08:18 PM
Yes :D . Call me The Hopey McChange One.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 08:27 PM
Fine! $300M it is. :whatever: But I'm only using the sig for 2 weeks. I already have another bet with Crook about the DK.
explode7
06-03-2008, 08:32 PM
^Really whats the bet? I want in on it.
TheVileOne
06-03-2008, 09:08 PM
The bet was: Iron Man makes $300 million (me). Iron Man does NOT make $300 million (Docker).
The loser has to use a sig created by the winner for three months, NOT 2 weeks. But Docker because I'm a decent guy, you will have to use the sig until you lose the next bet. If you do not lose any other bets, then you have to continue using my sig for the remainder of the three months time we agreed upon.
"You're on!" Those were your words Docker, that you are now eating!
MWAHAHAHA!
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 09:19 PM
Nah, 2 weeks, 3 at the most IF it makes $300M. It's not written in stone. :o I don't think we even said how long the sig will have to be there.
fallenAngel
06-03-2008, 09:26 PM
I have a number of friends who worked at theatres in the past. From what they say, theatres pretty much only make profit off of their concessions...which is why they always push them in the adds before the trailers start.
I've worked at a theater and yeah it's all about concessions really. That's why I like working B.O. there is less hassling from the management to sell more. Obviously a movie theater can't sell a movie (they can help sometimes) that's the studios job. The "real" money is in the popcorn. Though there is a small fraction earned from ticket sales but not much.
I hate working concessions.
But of course the problem with tallying real profit from movies is difficult because distribution and especially marketting can cost a lot. And you never really know how much studios spend on marketing.
I SEE SPIDEY
06-03-2008, 09:33 PM
I just want to address a few things.
First: I have only predicted that TIH will fail and have given plenty of reasons why I think that it will and I'm not going to change my opinion on that. However if I am wrong I'm obviously going to look into where my theories went wrong as I did with Iron Man and countless other films. I'm not going to be embarrassed and pretend that I haven't said what I said. This is all writen down and I'm going to be eating some fantastic crow pie if I am wrong.
Second: The first Hulk movie sucking is a big reason that I'm not seeing the new movie in theaters but I also am still learly of the movie. The action looks cool and the movie looks neat enough but it doesn't look amazing. It's going to take somebody asking me to go to the movies with them and pay my way in order to see it. I only saw Indy because my mom wanted me to go see a movie with her, I would have perfered to see Iron Man again.
So since you boys seem to be so concerned with my movie watching choices. Why don't one of you fly out to Columbus Ohio on June 13 and take me to see the film?
On Topic: Iron Man staying above 1mil is freakin awesome. I can't wait till it hits 300mil.
I SEE SPIDEY
06-03-2008, 09:35 PM
Nah, 2 weeks, 3 at the most IF it makes $300M. It's not written in stone. :o I don't think we even said how long the sig will have to be there.Just give up man.
Docker2.0
06-03-2008, 10:02 PM
I just want to address a few things.
First: I have only predicted that TIH will fail and have given plenty of reasons why I think that it will and I'm not going to change my opinion on that. However if I am wrong I'm obviously going to look into where my theories went wrong as I did with Iron Man and countless other films. I'm not going to be embarrassed and pretend that I haven't said what I said. This is all writen down and I'm going to be eating some fantastic crow pie if I am wrong.
Second: The first Hulk movie sucking is a big reason that I'm not seeing the new movie in theaters but I also am still learly of the movie. The action looks cool and the movie looks neat enough but it doesn't look amazing. It's going to take somebody asking me to go to the movies with them and pay my way in order to see it. I only saw Indy because my mom wanted me to go see a movie with her, I would have perfered to see Iron Man again.
So since you boys seem to be so concerned with my movie watching choices. Why don't one of you fly out to Columbus Ohio on June 13 and take me to see the film?
On Topic: Iron Man staying above 1mil is freakin awesome. I can't wait till it hits 300mil.
editted. :whatever:
I SEE SPIDEY
06-03-2008, 10:15 PM
^Not funny and very disrespectful.
SLYspyder
06-03-2008, 11:11 PM
So since you boys seem to be so concerned with my movie watching choices. Why don't one of you fly out to Columbus Ohio on June 13 and take me to see the film?
No thanks. TIH will dominate fine without anyone contributing for you. Stay at home and prepare to eat crow.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 01:00 AM
editted. :whatever:
I swear to god,I have no idea what you changed in ISeeSpidey's original post. :o
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 01:02 AM
^Not funny and very disrespectful.
I didn't see anything really bad about your post.
I'm being cereal here. :hehe:
SLYspyder
06-04-2008, 02:30 AM
editted. :whatever:
Some people can't take a joke...
Iron_Stark
06-04-2008, 06:44 AM
I didn't see anything bad about your post.
I'm being cereal here. :hehe:
I didn't see anything either.
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 09:27 AM
Well I didn't edit her post I editted mine. I basically said if I flew there and paid for her tickets I'd expect something in return, obviously a joke but rather than offend anyone or get a point or whatever I deleted the whole thing. :whatever:
Raiden
06-04-2008, 11:15 AM
Second: The first Hulk movie sucking is a big reason that I'm not seeing the new movie in theaters but I also am still learly of the movie. The action looks cool and the movie looks neat enough but it doesn't look amazing. It's going to take somebody asking me to go to the movies with them and pay my way in order to see it. I only saw Indy because my mom wanted me to go see a movie with her, I would have perfered to see Iron Man again.
So since you boys seem to be so concerned with my movie watching choices. Why don't one of you fly out to Columbus Ohio on June 13 and take me to see the film?
On Topic: Iron Man staying above 1mil is freakin awesome. I can't wait till it hits 300mil.
I didn't see Ang Lee's Hulk in the theatre, but now I'm planning to do so with TIH. This new version is closer to the TV show and more faithful to the comics without too much melodrama, and I believe it will be a good movie. I also believe it will make alot of money at the BO.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-04-2008, 02:27 PM
So, whats IM up to at the moment?
TheVileOne
06-04-2008, 02:47 PM
$278 million according to the Tuesday estimates. That definitely puts it over $280 million before weekend 6.
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 03:17 PM
Shut up Vile! :cmad:
Tuesday's numbers for Indy and Iron Man actually went up from Monday. Interesting. Anyway, good sign for Iron Man. The film should cross $290 million after this upcoming weekend, and then it will only take one more week for $300 million.
I was just at the local Imax theatre on my lunch break to see when they would start selling tickets for TDK. As I was walking out I heard a man at the ticket window getting tickets for Iron Man for him and his son. Wednesday show at 1:00PM...
It was music to my ears.:woot:
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 04:03 PM
Iron Man's TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $278,733,064 53.6%+ Foreign: $241,426,245 46.4%= Worldwide: $520,159,309
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 04:06 PM
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Iron Man is ranked as #51 as one of the all time worldwide box office grosses!
It just beat Terminator 2 which was ranked at #52 with $519.8 worldwide.
Raiden
06-04-2008, 04:10 PM
I was just at the local Imax theatre on my lunch break to see when they would start selling tickets for TDK. As I was walking out I heard a man at the ticket window getting tickets for Iron Man for him and his son. Wednesday show at 1:00PM...
It was music to my ears.:woot:
:word::up:
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:13 PM
^Yeah but think at how much the sequel will make in 2010. I predict Box Office records being broken or comming very close to being broken.
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 04:13 PM
Watch some hater comes in and say, "well do the adjustments and compare T2 to IM".......blah, blah, blah! :whatever: Freaking Batfans!......and Vile! :cmad:
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:15 PM
I don't know about the Vile part but I guess you pretty much started something there for people to now start debating with the inflated prices thing between T2 and IM.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 04:18 PM
Docker,I liked your old avatar better.
:yay:
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:21 PM
I say lets predict IM2's BO numbers right here right now!!! Forget about the fact that it's comming out in 2 years time. Lets do it. I predict IM2 is going to make 130M+ OW in 2010 and top off around 400M+ domestic and 350M international.
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 04:22 PM
Sorry, but I just know how batfans are. Any thing to belittle a movie and they will.
SAAD, this isn't the avy I wanted to use. I'm into spanish and asian chicks and well.......you get the point. If you wouldve seen the one I wanted........:eek: But they seem to have some rule against thongs. :whatever:
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:24 PM
^At least you can PM someone it. Like me. :p
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 04:27 PM
I say lets predict IM2's BO numbers right here right now!!! Forget about the fact that it's comming out in 2 years time. Lets do it. I predict IM2 is going to make 130M+ OW in 2010 and top off around 400M+ domestic and 350M international.
I say it won't! :cmad: And if it doesn't, i'll post my pics on here...........naked. :o
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:27 PM
^HAHAHA!!! Sounds like you're going to lose another bet. This might make you stop betting anymore.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 04:29 PM
Sorry, but I just know how batfans are. Any thing to belittle a movie and they will.
SAAD, this isn't the avy I wanted to use. I'm into spanish and asian chicks and well.......you get the point. If you wouldve seen the one I wanted........:eek: But they seem to have some rule against thongs. :whatever:
I get it don't worry,I can relate to that because I'm basically not into black chicks. Thanks for clearing that up.
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:32 PM
C'mon Docker PM me that avvy you wanted to post but can't.
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 04:33 PM
I get it don't worry,I can relate to that because I'm basically not into black chicks. Thanks for clearing that up.
Not into black chicks either but I can't stress enough how nice the avy I wanted to use was against the rules here. It was so hot! :O
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:34 PM
btw congrats to you americans who voted for that obama dude. I heard he won?
Raiden
06-04-2008, 04:45 PM
btw congrats to you americans who voted for that obama dude. I heard he won?
Obama won his party's nomination, but the presidential election isn't held until November.
TheVileOne
06-04-2008, 04:51 PM
Docker, only another $21 million. Prepare to lick my boots.
Dotten
06-04-2008, 04:55 PM
I loved Iron Man, best movie of the year so far. But ignoring inflation when comparing it to a movie that came out 15-20 years ago is just ignorance.
But one should also remember other factors, like culture and population growth. There was a bigger cinema-culture before, that's why Gone With the Wind will outperform any movie that's released in our days if one compares. Movies today have loads more competition from other medias, and it's not the same movie-culture as before.
Bottom line: Iron Man is doing great. It's better to compare it to movies that came within the last 5 years, rather then dragging out movies from at totally different time :)
explode7
06-04-2008, 04:57 PM
^HA!!! Docker was right about certain posters using the inflation angle.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 05:00 PM
It's weird and wrong to take the box office numbers from a movie into consideration when it's not necessary. :o
Dotten
06-04-2008, 05:10 PM
It would be better if one compared the amount of tickets sold rather then the money it made. But that would be a bit unfair for todays movies compared to those who came in the golden age of cinema.
Anyways, Iron Man is one of the most popular movies of our time. No one can take that from it so all fans of the movie should be happy and celebrate. Looking forward to Dockers new sig :P
I SEE SPIDEY
06-04-2008, 05:10 PM
Some people can't take a joke...I'm not going to bring this up again because this is an Iron Man boxoffice thread but I do not find jokes about performing sex acts on me funny...at all. If that makes me a prude, fantastic. I'm the worlds biggest prude.:up:
kedrell
06-04-2008, 05:45 PM
I say lets predict IM2's BO numbers right here right now!!! Forget about the fact that it's comming out in 2 years time. Lets do it. I predict IM2 is going to make 130M+ OW in 2010 and top off around 400M+ domestic and 350M international.
That's actually quite a reasonable guess.
kedrell
06-04-2008, 05:48 PM
Considering the fact that T2 adjusted is at 334M domestic, it is not out of the realm of possibilty that IM could beat it. I don't think it will. Instead I think it could come in 10-15M shy of that but it is not off the table. WW however, IS off the table considering the fact that T2 OS adjusted is a staggering $514,774,393 and WW adjusted is $849,530,293.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm not going to bring this up again because this is an Iron Man boxoffice thread but I do not find jokes about performing sex acts on me funny...at all. If that makes me a prude, fantastic. I'm the worlds biggest prude.:up:
:hehe:
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 05:50 PM
Someone remember this from today,I say that Iron Man 2 will make 742,000,000$ million worldwide in 2010.
I'm being serious here.
TheVileOne
06-04-2008, 07:00 PM
It's very possible. Just depends on if it brings the goods and it manages to impress audiences and critics just as much as the first one did. I don't think anyone saw the exceptional critical reception for Spider-man 2 coming.
S.A.A.D.
06-04-2008, 07:03 PM
It's very possible. Just depends on if it brings the goods and it manages to impress audiences and critics just as much as the first one did. I don't think anyone saw the exceptional critical reception for Spider-man 2 coming.
^I did,because it's ZOMG,the popular Spiderman! So it's going to kick butt 100% in spite of flaws which all movies have,because you know..it's a comic book movie about Spiderman. :whatever:
Docker2.0
06-04-2008, 08:39 PM
I loved Iron Man, best movie of the year so far. But ignoring inflation when comparing it to a movie that came out 15-20 years ago is just ignorance.
But one should also remember other factors, like culture and population growth. There was a bigger cinema-culture before, that's why Gone With the Wind will outperform any movie that's released in our days if one compares. Movies today have loads more competition from other medias, and it's not the same movie-culture as before.
Bottom line: Iron Man is doing great. It's better to compare it to movies that came within the last 5 years, rather then dragging out movies from at totally different time :)
Wow! You know what's funny is that when I made that post, I made it cuase I figured you or Theweepeople would come in and start your post off with "I loved IM but......" man you batfans are so predictable. IM is doing great at the BO! Get over it! :whatever: If TDK makes $300M, I would so love to use the Spiderman argument against it, even though it probably won't do SM # just to prove a point. BB fans! Geez! :whatever:
fallenAngel
06-04-2008, 10:14 PM
It's very possible. Just depends on if it brings the goods and it manages to impress audiences and critics just as much as the first one did. I don't think anyone saw the exceptional critical reception for Spider-man 2 coming.
And yet higher praise and critical reception didn't equal more B.O. revenue for Spider-man 2.
But I have a feeling Iron Man 2 will probably out gross this one. But who knows it is waaaaaay too early to start making predictions.
Now if you'll excuse me. I'm going to see Iron man again tonight.
FaT_tONle
06-04-2008, 10:37 PM
IM2 at 400??? Did this become Star Wars overnight? I'll be happy with 350 but I wouldn't be suprised if it falters to 250... it's not easy making that second kickass indtallment every time out. No reason why IM can't do that in the sequel though.
Tony Stark
06-04-2008, 10:40 PM
I loved Iron Man, best movie of the year so far. But ignoring inflation when comparing it to a movie that came out 15-20 years ago is just ignorance.
But one should also remember other factors, like culture and population growth. There was a bigger cinema-culture before, that's why Gone With the Wind will outperform any movie that's released in our days if one compares. Movies today have loads more competition from other medias, and it's not the same movie-culture as before.
Bottom line: Iron Man is doing great. It's better to compare it to movies that came within the last 5 years, rather then dragging out movies from at totally different time :)
The inflation argument works both ways though. When Gone with the Wind was released, there was no DVD player, there was no VCR, no Blockbuster, no NetFlix. Hell, there wasn't even television.
So of course Gone with the Wind sold more tickets. Outside of Radio, Cinema was the only other form of mass media. People went to the movies to see news reels as much as watch a movie.
Even comparing movies 15 - 20 years ago to this is almost impossible. Films like Jurrasic Park weren't out on Video for over a year after their theatrical release. Also the concept of a "cineplex" was almost unheard of. The "big" theaters had maybe 4-8 screens. Now a day a 12 screen theater is considered "small".
So yeah, you can adjust for inflation, but it doesn't account for the differences in how people viewed films, now as compared to then.
TheVileOne
06-04-2008, 10:46 PM
Well critical reception lowered for the third film, but worldwide BO for Spider-man increased with the third movie.
I think with Iron Man 2 it will more be a matter of simply impressing audiences just as much as the first film did, which got a good many by surprise.
It will be tricky because one imagines that Iron Man as a sequel would be a much more busy and ambitious story considering everything they have to . . . or possibly want to accomplish.
<borkis>
06-05-2008, 12:47 AM
Well critical reception lowered for the third film, but worldwide BO for Spider-man increased with the third movie.
I think with Iron Man 2 it will more be a matter of simply impressing audiences just as much as the first film did, which got a good many by surprise.
It will be tricky because one imagines that Iron Man as a sequel would be a much more busy and ambitious story considering everything they have to . . . or possibly want to accomplish.
Sequels ride on the coattails of the originals, so whether or not IM2 is a great movie it will do really well and probably make more than IM. Of course, we need IM2 to be good to sell the 3rd movie...
kedrell
06-05-2008, 01:14 AM
And yet higher praise and critical reception didn't equal more B.O. revenue for Spider-man 2.
But I have a feeling Iron Man 2 will probably out gross this one. But who knows it is waaaaaay too early to start making predictions.
Now if you'll excuse me. I'm going to see Iron man again tonight.
Well there are other factor's to consider. The main one being that SM1 got an artificial boost(most likely) beyond what it would have made due to the mind set of the nation after 9/11. Without that it could have very well made less than SM2.
kedrell
06-05-2008, 01:23 AM
IM2 at 400??? Did this become Star Wars overnight? I'll be happy with 350 but I wouldn't be suprised if it falters to 250... it's not easy making that second kickass indtallment every time out. No reason why IM can't do that in the sequel though.
Why not? POTC did, and IM is every bit as well recieved and broadly appealing as POTC1. Moreso in fact, because it's RT score is 15% higher. We'll have to wait for the IM DVD sales #'s to roll in but there's every reason to believe it'll be a juggernaut in that format as well and virtually NO logical reason to doubt it at this point. POTC2 actually broke $400M domestic while being a much less well received movie than the first. Shoot for the stars, Marvel! $400-450M DOM and 800M-1B WW for IM2 is totally within the realm of possibility.
Fanticon
06-05-2008, 02:27 AM
We'll have to wait for the IM DVD sales #'s
They'll be through the friggin' roof! :im:
kedrell
06-05-2008, 02:41 AM
^Agreed. 250-300M or more.
Hiruu
06-05-2008, 05:09 AM
Sorry, but I just know how batfans are. Any thing to belittle a movie and they will.
SAAD, this isn't the avy I wanted to use. I'm into spanish and asian chicks and well.......you get the point. If you wouldve seen the one I wanted........:eek: But they seem to have some rule against thongs. :whatever:
Well, can I have your avatar if you don't want it...acutally can I have the chick...lol.
Everybody was out here crowning TDK for the summer crown, but until I see week one, I wasn't buying it. It's going to face too much competition and it might not have those lovely legs of BB, imho.
IM hasn't dropped below $1 mil/day to-date...that's stunning, and $300 is now etched in stone...$600 is also looking more possible WW, depending on how things go in Japan. I think this movie will greatly aid Hulk, when so review mention the link.
JeetKuneDo
06-05-2008, 08:31 AM
Well there are other factor's to consider. The main one being that SM1 got an artificial boost(most likely) beyond what it would have made due to the mind set of the nation after 9/11. Without that it could have very well made less than SM2.
Also...Tobey worked out really hard and took off his shirt in the first one. He was actually making the rounds at MTV in a tight shirt to screaming female fans.
He got lazy after that and the shirt stayed on. :)
Raiden
06-05-2008, 12:30 PM
Well, can I have your avatar if you don't want it...acutally can I have the chick...lol.
Everybody was out here crowning TDK for the summer crown, but until I see week one, I wasn't buying it. It's going to face too much competition and it might not have those lovely legs of BB, imho.
IM hasn't dropped below $1 mil/day to-date...that's stunning, and $300 is now etched in stone...$600 is also looking more possible WW, depending on how things go in Japan. I think this movie will greatly aid Hulk, when so review mention the link.
300 mil is definitely a lock for IM, and I believe IM2 will break some BO records, now that people are familiar with Shellhead.
hpwiz89
06-05-2008, 01:03 PM
Also...Tobey worked out really hard and took off his shirt in the first one. He was actually making the rounds at MTV in a tight shirt to screaming female fans.
He got lazy after that and the shirt stayed on. :)
WOW he actually did that...:hehe:
yoshimura
06-05-2008, 01:14 PM
IM2 could break all records, but it all depends on what the economy will look like in a few years
and the direction we're headed in doesn't look nice
SLYspyder
06-05-2008, 01:51 PM
C'mon Docker PM me that avvy you wanted to post but can't.
I second that Docker...and what site do you get that stuff from?
explode7
06-05-2008, 04:09 PM
Yeah I'm pretty certain that IM2 can do more than 350M - 400M domestic in 2010 because if this one which wasn't a well known superhero at all is heading for a 300M+ domestic take and possibly a 300M+ international take as well then the sequel will make more seeing as how IM will be alot more well known. Also the next narnia won't be able to stop it in its second weekend in 2010 because people have seem to lost interest in that franchise since the last one.
Docker2.0
06-05-2008, 04:20 PM
I get my avy's from Crook. He's the one who comes up with them. I told you guys he's a evil genious. I stress evil cuase of the bet he and I have about TDK! :cmad:
explode7
06-05-2008, 04:30 PM
Ah, I should have known it would be crook. The guy is known for his revealing women pics and avvys.
Just crossed $280 million with Wednesday's take. Should be at $281.3 or so after Thursday, putting it in a solid position for $290 million after the weekend. After that, it's only a week or so until it crossed $300 million. :yay:
explode7
06-05-2008, 04:38 PM
Glad to see someone keeping track. :up: But here's a link to check out.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm
TheVileOne
06-05-2008, 04:53 PM
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-06-04&p=.htm
Iron Man has now passed the $280 million mark, and its not even Thursday yet.
explode7
06-05-2008, 04:59 PM
^Whats your prediction for TIH by the way?
Raiden
06-05-2008, 05:21 PM
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2008-06-04&p=.htm
Iron Man has now passed the $280 million mark, and its not even Thursday yet.
:hulk::up:
Docker2.0
06-05-2008, 06:46 PM
Well Vile, I'm going to concede that IM is going to get $300M. :( So pick the sig you want me to have and i'll use it..........for 2 weeks only though! :cmad:
I SEE SPIDEY
06-05-2008, 07:05 PM
Iron Man's weekdays have been awesome. Way too go.:up:
I can only hope that "The Incredible Hulk" will be just as cool as Iron Man.
TheVileOne
06-05-2008, 07:15 PM
Docker, the deal was $300 million, which hasn't happened yet.
And you will use the sig until you lose another bet.
My prediction for the Hulk. I say $70-80 million opening weekend, $180 million US. It could be way off. But that is what I will stick with for now.
Docker2.0
06-05-2008, 07:24 PM
Well......I won't be on the Hype for the next week so I've got to do it now. :hehe:
FaT_tONle
06-05-2008, 07:36 PM
Docker, the deal was $300 million, which hasn't happened yet.
And you will use the sig until you lose another bet.
My prediction for the Hulk. I say $70-80 million opening weekend, $180 million US. It could be way off. But that is what I will stick with for now.
It's going to open huge but have mediocre legs? I think you have it backwards... 180 is the magic number just like 200 was for IM... I think a lot of us may have even had the magic # at 220 for IM... I think 250 would really be the fantastic mark for TIH.
Docker2.0
06-05-2008, 07:56 PM
Agreed! If Hulk makes $180M domestically I'd be kissing pigs in Time Square I'd be just that happy. I just hope it does well.......well enough to beat SR and BB! :p
Well Vile, I'm going to concede that IM is going to get $300M. :( So pick the sig you want me to have and i'll use it..........for 2 weeks only though! :cmad:
Nice to see you're taking it like a man. Kudos. Although you really were stubborn for a while there. :oldrazz:
Docker2.0
06-05-2008, 08:24 PM
We all win with IM making $300M. :up: But if TDK does it, everyone on the Hype loses causes these boards would be flooded with Batfans losing their dang minds!
Hiruu
06-06-2008, 04:10 AM
We all win with IM making $300M. :up: But if TDK does it, everyone on the Hype loses causes these boards would be flooded with Batfans losing their dang minds!
Saw Indy tonight...IM can still take him, imho...as I don't think Indy will have very strong legs with the oncoming slew of flicks this weekend. I think Zohan and KF Panda will have more of a pronounced effect on SATC and Indy, then on IM.
Raiden
06-06-2008, 11:30 AM
We all win with IM making $300M. :up: But if TDK does it, everyone on the Hype loses causes these boards would be flooded with Batfans losing their dang minds!
I agree. I'm going to see TDK and it will probably be a very good movie, but Batfans have already declared it to be their Second Coming or something...
Saw Indy tonight...IM can still take him, imho...as I don't think Indy will have very strong legs with the oncoming slew of flicks this weekend. I think Zohan and KF Panda will have more of a pronounced effect on SATC and Indy, then on IM.
Too late for that assessment. That would have meant something, say, 10 days ago, but Indy 4 has already proven it's going to have decent enough legs to cross $300 million. It will be a VERY close to battle between it and Iron Man for tops.
Hiruu
06-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Too late for that assessment. That would have meant something, say, 10 days ago, but Indy 4 has already proven it's going to have decent enough legs to cross $300 million. It will be a VERY close to battle between it and Iron Man for tops.
Well, I saw it last night, so it's hard to make that assestment without seeing the film for oneself.
Well, I saw it last night, so it's hard to make that assestment without seeing the film for oneself.
Not true. I didn't see the film until the second weekend, but after studying the first week or so of its box office, it's possible to figure out how the film's legs are going to transpire.
I really don't see how watching a film nearly 3 weeks after its release has anything to do with predicting its legs. It's the numbers that matter; the film is going into its third weekend, so making the assessment that the film won't have strong legs is groundless, because at this point we know that it's wrong...we've already seen how it's legs have done so far at the box office, and they've done well enough to assure $300 million.
Fanticon
06-06-2008, 03:11 PM
box office threads are always the most active.
TheVileOne
06-06-2008, 03:45 PM
It's going to open huge but have mediocre legs? I think you have it backwards... 180 is the magic number just like 200 was for IM... I think a lot of us may have even had the magic # at 220 for IM... I think 250 would really be the fantastic mark for TIH.
I dunno man. The first movie might play a huge part in it. And these movies save for some exceptions, such as Iron Man, tend to be MASSIVELY front-loaded at the BO. Iron Man is one of the few exceptions to buck the trend.
Also Docker, you use the sig when you get back to the Hype. You will not have the sig for only a week.
Docker2.0
06-06-2008, 03:57 PM
I can't cuase of me and Crook's bet. Why not just give it to me now and get it over with. :huh: You have to do it in 4 hours cuase I'm taking off then. :o
TheVileOne
06-06-2008, 04:01 PM
Docker so help me, you will not take away my righteous moral retribution away from me.
For your signature which you WILL have until you lose another bet or the duration of 3 months. It will be Impact font, size 5:
The Vile One is my lord and master. You will bow down to him for his awesomeness. The world's one and only truth is that The Vile One is better than you.
Iron Man - $300 million and BEYOND.
Because The Vile One said it first before anyone else, and I foolishly disagreed. Do not underestimate the powers of The Vile One.
Fanticon
06-06-2008, 04:22 PM
wow...this is weird...did IM just lose a lot of screens after Wed. so theaters could make adjustments to their schedules for this weeks new films?
check it out...from http://www.showbizdata.com
screens daily gross %change Domestic total
PARAMOUNT 3,650 132,445 36 -90% 281,370,201
compared to yesterdays $1,312,678.
Fanticon
06-06-2008, 05:10 PM
ahhh...they must have made a typo...:cwink:
heres the actual Thursday daily gross...
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/
$1,324,459 total Domestic $281,370,201
TheVileOne
06-06-2008, 07:01 PM
Iron Man is apparently dropping 700 theatres this weekend. Which was bound to happen. I think the theatre drop could actually be good for it.
Iron Man still has a shot at breaking $290 million this weekend.
Outside shot, but $300 million is a guarantee at this point so it doesn't matter anymore how quickly it gets there.
TheVileOne
06-06-2008, 07:41 PM
Yes it does. Because the quicker it happens, the more time it has to get to $350 million.
S.A.A.D.
06-06-2008, 07:57 PM
Iron Man is apparently dropping 700 theatres this weekend. Which was bound to happen. I think the theatre drop could actually be good for it.
Iron Man still has a shot at breaking $290 million this weekend.
I don't know,I mean it seems to me that movies are pulled from a certain amount of theaters on weekdays only,I admit that I could be wrong.
I would feel more confident about Iron Man making 300$ million domestically if what you say doesn't end up happening this weekend.
Speaking of the weekend,do you mean that Iron Man is suppose to leave 700 theaters tomorrow since it's Friday?
What website or websites is saying that Iron Man is leaving 700 theaters this weekend anyways???
Yes it does. Because the quicker it happens, the more time it has to get to $350 million.
It has no chance at getting to $350 million. It doesn't even stand a chance of beating Spider-Man 3's $336 million. If you believe that it has a chance to do either, then that's just as (if not more) delusional than Docker's old "IM won't eclipse $300 million" claims.
Docker2.0
06-06-2008, 08:49 PM
Hey Vile, like my sig? :cmad: :(
I SEE SPIDEY
06-06-2008, 09:46 PM
350mil ain't happening but 300mil is a lock, it's silly to think any differently.
Hiruu
06-07-2008, 12:19 AM
Not true. I didn't see the film until the second weekend, but after studying the first week or so of its box office, it's possible to figure out how the film's legs are going to transpire.
I really don't see how watching a film nearly 3 weeks after its release has anything to do with predicting its legs. It's the numbers that matter; the film is going into its third weekend, so making the assessment that the film won't have strong legs is groundless, because at this point we know that it's wrong...we've already seen how it's legs have done so far at the box office, and they've done well enough to assure $300 million.
Err..right.
Hiruu
06-07-2008, 12:22 AM
Hey Vile, like my sig? :cmad: :(
Can you change ur avatar as well...it's hard to focus on what I'm typing...lol.
Err..right.
It is. :oldrazz:
TheVileOne
06-07-2008, 02:25 AM
Docker, its OK, but you need to copy the format of my post. Impact style font size 5.
chiefchirpa
06-07-2008, 10:50 AM
ROFL quite a romp guys. :D
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