Iron Man BO thread

[TheVileOne]

Craig is rugged and more masculine. Which is what Bond should be. He's not nor should he ever be a pretty-boy.

[COME ON !]

Exactly.

[YJ1]

Yes Eva Mendes who can be seen for free on here anytime anyone wants was the reason for Hitch's success,it had nothing to do with one of the worlds most well liked biggest drawing stars being the lead,please:o

Take the stick out of your ass will ya?

[Hunter Rider]

Take the stick out of your ass will ya?

you first:)

[TheVileOne]

Eva Mendes is not a draw. She's never starred as the main lead in a movie that's opened big.

[Darthphere]

Take the stick out of your ass will ya?


Oooooo.:o

[Advanced Dark]

Will might have been the anchor for the studio but Kevin James stole that movie. Kevin alone can't carry a movie yet as a stand alone star but he was just perfect in that film as Will kind of sat on the sidelines till the end for the Kevin show.

[TheVileOne]

Stop with the flimsy arguments. Kevin James is not why the movie made more than the majority of the Marvel films.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Does anyone have any "OFF" spray?

[Advanced Dark]

sss

[TheVileOne]

Dark you had your chance at Comic Con. You didn't take it.

Why? Because you knew that I would've summoned the powers of the Iron Sheik and made you humble.

Why don't you knock it off with all the anti-Daniel Craig bull**** like posting links from that piece of garbage internet troll site that's run by a bunch of uptight idiots because for whatever reason they can't get their rocks off with Craig as Bond.

[Advanced Dark]

Vile,

I had my badge on with Advanced Dark written on it right below my name. Was that you in the floral shirt at the cartoon voice over panel right before the Marvel panel? Anyways I'll post whatever I want here. I'm not going to refrain from posting because it's against someones opinion. You act like some sort of bulldog here yet looking at your pics it seems you have some sort of little man syndrome and you like to vent out your frustrations on the board with those who disagree with you. I think Craig is a horrible choice as Bond though maybe he'll wind up being better than Brosnan. Who knows. The point of my last post was to show that Brosnan had a huge following as Bond and was a fan favorite, and since he left they lost 1/2 of their marketing partners cause Brosnan was a key selling point of the Bond franchise when he was in it...now Bond is the only selling point cause most people don't know who the hell Craig is. Surely back when the franchise first start people were like Sean who? But the difference in today's marketplace is competition is so damn stiff that in order for a franchise to bust any barriers it helps to have a time enduring character like Spiderman or Superman that can make huge bucks with a no-name cmpared to one that stands the test of time but nowhere's near the same level. Again not everyone has the same opinion and sometimes people have strong conflicting opinions...so what. That doesn't make mine or yours more important. Just a matter of personal taste.

[batman7289]

we have to wait for casino royale to come out. if it blows then no one will see bond 22

[batman7289]

oh ya DARK NIGHT will reign supreme in 2008

[Cinemaman]

I think IM will beat JB-22.

It is summer blockbuster with enough action and huge promotion.

And I also think TDK will be #3.

[TheVileOne]

Vile,

I had my badge on with Advanced Dark written on it right below my name. Was that you in the floral shirt at the cartoon voice over panel right before the Marvel panel?

No. I wasn't even at that. I was wearing a black Lone Wolf and Cub shirt.

Anyways I'll post whatever I want here. I'm not going to refrain from posting because it's against someones opinion.

Neither will I.

You act like some sort of bulldog here yet looking at your pics it seems you have some sort of little man syndrome and you like to vent out your frustrations on the board with those who disagree with you.

And you act like a Marvel Kool-Aid drinker.

I think Craig is a horrible choice as Bond though maybe he'll wind up being better than Brosnan. Who knows.

Whatever. But because another movie might be playing opposite Iron Man, it means you have to act like a baka and post all sorts of stupid links and trash showing how people don't like Craig. The backlash against Craig has been mostly minor.

Most open-minded Bond fans and individuals are excited about Craig playing the role.

The point of my last post was to show that Brosnan had a huge following as Bond and was a fan favorite, and since he left they lost 1/2 of their marketing partners cause Brosnan was a key selling point of the Bond franchise when he was in it...now Bond is the only selling point cause most people don't know who the hell Craig is.

It's not like Brosnan was a huge name before Bond.

And you know what? I'm happy to hear that. I can't tell you how annoyed I am whenever a Bond movie came out and it basically felt like a commercial for a million different products. Maybe we will get one that will rely on its own merit than a bunch of dumb product placements.

Surely back when the franchise first start people were like Sean who? But the difference in today's marketplace is competition is so damn stiff that in order for a franchise to bust any barriers it helps to have a time enduring character like Spiderman or Superman that can make huge bucks with a no-name cmpared to one that stands the test of time but nowhere's near the same level.

Bond is one of those characters. Bond who has been around longer than Spider-man. Longer than Iron Man, longer than all of your precious Marvel favorites and so called franchises.

Again not everyone has the same opinion and sometimes people have strong conflicting opinions...so what. That doesn't make mine or yours more important. Just a matter of personal taste.

You are the one that started with the off spray and all that crap.

[hippie_hunter]

A joke because you deem him so not everyone else and also you need to look at the increase in domestic BO for modern era Bond with each movie,the last being the best with $160M domestic
The marvel films you speak of that can boast $160M are big name titles not no name titles like Iron Man

I wouldn't call Iron Man a no name (no Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man, but still a rather decent name), but people saying that Iron Man will easily beat James Bond is ludacris. If both films come out on the same day, both films will be hurting. My bet is that Iron Man will move because James Bond is the bigger name.

You want to talk about no-names that are getting movies, lets talk about Cloak and Dagger, the Power Pack, Hawkeye, and Ant-Man!

[hippie_hunter]

I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!

The Dark Knight will wipe Iron Man off the floor!

[TheVileOne]

It will hurt both movies. So one should move.

Seeing as to how Iron Man took the date first, it should be Bond.

Bond could easily take Memorial Day or 4th of July.

[TheVileOne]

Also, people overestimating Batman have already forgotten what happened a year ago. I remember Batman wiping the floor with Spider-man.

[hippie_hunter]

Actually....most bat fans probably dont give a crap about iron man. the only time iron mans been mentioned is in a "2008 competition" thread....started by...Advanced Dark.

So, get over yourself. And Batman wasnt mentioned in this thread either.

I consider Iron Man to be a major film for 2008. Same with other Marvel films such as Wolverine and the Incredible Hulk. The problem is that 2008 has a lot of other BIGGER films such as the Dark Knight, the Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Jurassic Park 4, and Indiana Jones 4.

Advanced Dark for some reason thinks that the Marvel films will easily beat out the others for some reason.

[hippie_hunter]

Also, people overestimating Batman have already forgotten what happened a year ago. I remember Batman wiping the floor with Spider-man.

I'm not saying that the Dark Knight will be #1. I'm just saying that it will easily beat Iron Man.

1. The franchise has been successfully resurected and the mistrust created after Batman & Robin is gone.

2. It's a sequel to the highly acclaimed Batman Begins.

3. It has the Joker.

It will be more successful than Batman Begins and it will beat Iron Man. I just don't expect it to be #1

[Advanced Dark]

Advanced Dark for some reason thinks that the Marvel films will easily beat out the others for some reason.

Hippie I never suggested a Marvel film would be #1 in 2008 anywhere in any thread ever. Nice try though. There is no Marvel film in 2008 that has any chance of beating Harry Potter, Narnia or Indy if it's released. However I put a Wolverine film in the same league as Batman as far as box office, and I think IF a Hulk film is done right it'd appeal to a larger audience. So if you're gonna quote me or say I said something please make it clear to everyone exactly what the "others" are. I'd say Wolverine appeals more to the segment of the audience that goes back to see films over and over and over. Hopefully Louis Leterrier can make a solid Hulk film for the sake of the genre, the character, and the franchise. If they screw it up this time...it's over for the green guy for awhile. I'm confident in Avi, Marvel, and Louis though. This thread is not about which movie is gonna be the best either. I loved Batman Begins but clearly it had no shot of being #1. Batman Begins 2 also has no shot at being #1...and not because of a Marvel film.

[COME ON !]

Advanced Dark, what is your favourite Marvel movie ?

Just wonderin'.

[hippie_hunter]

Hippie I never suggested a Marvel film would be #1 in 2008 anywhere in any thread ever. Nice try though. There is no Marvel film in 2008 that has any chance of beating Harry Potter, Narnia or Indy if it's released. However I put a Wolverine film in the same league as Batman as far as box office, and I think IF a Hulk film is done right it'd appeal to a larger audience. So if you're gonna quote me or say I said something please make it clear to everyone exactly what the "others" are. I'd say Wolverine appeals more to the segment of the audience that goes back to see films over and over and over. Hopefully Louis Leterrier can make a solid Hulk film for the sake of the genre, the character, and the franchise. If they screw it up this time...it's over for the green guy for awhile. I'm confident in Avi, Marvel, and Louis though. This thread is not about which movie is gonna be the best either. I loved Batman Begins but clearly it had no shot of being #1. Batman Begins 2 also has no shot at being #1...and not because of a Marvel film.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you should stop thinking that movies such as Iron Man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, and Incredible Hulk are going to be mega-blockbusters when they most likely aren't going to be.

[Advanced Dark]

Where did I state mega-blockbusters? You're again putting words in my mouth that never came out. The closest thing to that I said was that "IF" the Hulk was done right it could be huge. I've never suggested Ghost Rider, Iron Man, or Wolverine would be mega-blockbusters which to me would be well over 250 million. Never happen, never suggested it, and never will. You're grasping a bit too hard.

[nite-owl]

[quote=TheVileOne]Why? Because you knew that I would've summoned the powers of the Iron Sheik and made you humble.
[quote]

:D:up:

[Advanced Dark]

^ If you had a my space account you'd be laughing even harder.

[Hunter Rider]

^ If you had a my space account you'd be laughing even harder AT him.

You really need to stop bringing Vile's looks into it,i have no idea what he looks like but it has no bearing on his posts and is a childish tactic

[Advanced Dark]

Hunter I have problems with a handful of people including you who post comments about me or turn every single thread into an attack on my opinion. Vileone has started his crap already in each one of his posts in these threads. No matter how subtle it is, and whether you realize it or not. Don't whine and complain when you bait someone and they take it. I'd much prefer to talk on topic but when someone starts posting idiotic threats online, or referring to words I used in conversations with others...I'll respond. So when Vile does this...I'll respond as I wish until he stops. Nobody likes these threads becoming personal but the door swings both ways.

Edit: However to spare the board you and vile can talk about me all you want. Scream into the void of ignoreville.

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[Hunter Rider]

Hunter I have problems with a handful of people including you who post comments about me or turn every single thread into an attack on my opinion. Vileone has started his crap already in each one of his posts in these threads. No matter how subtle it is, and whether you realize it or not. Don't whine and complain when you bait someone and they take it. I'd much prefer to talk on topic but when someone starts posting idiotic threats online, or referring to words I used in conversations with others...I'll respond. So when Vile does this...I'll respond as I wish until he stops. Nobody likes these threads becoming personal but the door swings both ways.

Please spare me the persecution routine AD,it doesn;t work and no one buys it despite your 50 complaints about me,just as well i keep my proof tight eh ?
Also bringing up what he looks like is pathetic and a scummy tactic,how you got hold of his pics i don't know but it has no bearing on his opinions,if you can't trade posts with him like an adult don't bother at all

[Hunter Rider]

Nice edit troll

[DOG LIPS]

Hunter I have problems with a handful of people including you who post comments about me or turn every single thread into an attack on my opinion. Vileone has started his crap already in each one of his posts in these threads. No matter how subtle it is, and whether you realize it or not. Don't whine and complain when you bait someone and they take it. I'd much prefer to talk on topic but when someone starts posting idiotic threats online, or referring to words I used in conversations with others...I'll respond. So when Vile does this...I'll respond as I wish until he stops. Nobody likes these threads becoming personal but the door swings both ways.
And in doing so you keep this crap going and going. Keep them on ignore or PM a mod. You claim they are causing it, but you continue to string them along. Keep them on ignore, and DO NOT continue to respond to them.

[Advanced Dark]

I'd hope you ask VileOne and Hunter to stop the baiting with their little click of friends here. They think it's fun or something and while I may have responded and have now put them on ignore I would hope that you tell them in the future to not make threads personal instead of just using PM's to tell them and using the public message board to tell me...once again. I'm not claiming they are starting it...they did start it and all it takes is a simple search. In any event it doesn't matter. They're on ignore.

[DOG LIPS]

I'd hope you ask VileOne and Hunter to stop the baiting with their little click of friends here. They think it's fun or something and while I may have responded and have now put them on ignore I would hope that you tell them in the future to not make threads personal instead of just using PM's to tell them and using the public message board to tell me...once again. I'm not claiming they are starting it...they did start it and all it takes is a simple search. In any event it doesn't matter. They're on ignore.
I'm sending you a PM right now on it.

[Hunter Rider]

I'd hope you ask VileOne and Hunter to stop the baiting with their little click of friends here. They think it's fun or something and while I may have responded and have now put them on ignore I would hope that you tell them in the future to not make threads personal instead of just using PM's to tell them and using the public message board to tell me...once again. I'm not claiming they are starting it...they did start it and all it takes is a simple search. In any event it doesn't matter. They're on ignore.

Please provide one piece of evidence

[Darthphere]

Ummm yeah, nevermind, I wont get involved.

[DOG LIPS]

Please provide one piece of evidence
He's put you and Vile on ignore, so I suggest you two do the same so we can put an end to this bickering.

[Advanced Dark]

Just a general message to this thread: We all have personal opinions here on the forum topic and there's no need for anyone to be harassed over their opinion. Disagreement is fine, debate is great...but that's where it should stop. It is what it is...we all have different reasons, thoughts, and ideas on how things should or will be. Live with it even if it's against what you believe. I'm guilty of taking the bait and being drawn into it and won't participate in that anymore as it's cluttered this thread and others. Besides I can't force someone, and nobody can force me to agree with their opinion if I don't agree. It's pointless.

[TheVileOne]

Enjoy your probation-Dew

[Cinemaman]

Is this me, or does this thread really turn into "Summer'07" thread? :eek: :confused:

Anyway, as I said, I dont think IM will make more than $60m opening, but it will get very good legs to make $185-195m :up:

[Advanced Dark]

The trailer has to sell Iron Man and I think it will for it to make over 70 million opening weekend. I'm figured 70-80+ opening weekend. Which is very possible in May.

[Cinemaman]

The trailer has to sell Iron Man and I think it will for it to make over 70 million opening weekend. I'm figured 70-80+ opening weekend. Which is very possible in May.

Doubtful, even if marketing strategy will be smart and promotion is huge, I doubt it will make more than $60m opening.

Besides it has JB-22 as competitor and as you know, JB has very huge fanbase.

[YJ1]

Enjoy your probation-Dew

This is not needed-Dew



Anyway, when Bond blinks and leaves the first week of May to Iron Man, I can see it doing very good numbers opening weekend. 70+ is a bit high considering what MI3 did this year but over 55 sounds feasible.

[Advanced Dark]

Doubtful, even if marketing strategy will be smart and promotion is huge, I doubt it will make more than $60m opening.

Besides it has JB-22 as competitor and as you know, JB has very huge fanbase.

It does not have JB22 as a competitor I'm telling you this is a game by Sony. Actually I think Sony's betting Marvels financing of Iron Man or Hulk might be delayed or cause a delay so Sony is just positioning itself to see if that happens to claim the date. Once Marvel formally announces Merril has approved the addition of Iron Man and Hulk to the financing deal then Bond22 will move. I can 100% assure you Bond will move if Iron Man has no production delays.

[Hunter Rider]

Bond isn't gonna move,they knew Iron Man was there when they took the date,they have no reason to fear Iron Man

[CaptainStacy]

Bond isn't gonna move,they knew Iron Man was there when they took the date,they have no reason to fear Iron Man

I dunno....a brand new Bond that many of the core audience find questionable? Could hurt ticket sales....do they really need the added competion from IM on top of that?

What's the biggest Bond opening ever? Anyone know?

[Hunter Rider]

I dunno....a brand new Bond that many of the core audience find questionable? Could hurt ticket sales....do they really need the added competion from IM on top of that?

What's the biggest Bond opening ever? Anyone know?

They knew Iron Man was in that slot when they took it,they must be confident that they have a product that will sell and it seems everytime an actor takes on these iconic roles and isn't called Chrisitan Bale there is a fan outcry but if the film delivers then it's all good with them,we will know more when CR is released in November

Largest opening is probably Die Another Day,it's the biggest grossing domestic Bond with $160M

[kedrell]

^$47,072,040 for Die Another Day, which grossed $160,942,139 and was the highest grossing and opening Bond movie domesticly.

[Darthphere]

I dunno....a brand new Bond that many of the core audience find questionable? Could hurt ticket sales....do they really need the added competion from IM on top of that?

What's the biggest Bond opening ever? Anyone know?


Like most things, in the states, it involves a very vocal minority.

[CaptainStacy]

^$47,072,040 for Die Another Day, which grossed $160,942,139 and was the highest grossing and opening Bond movie domesticly.

So just shy of 50 million, with a Bond that everyone was onboard with?

Im fairly confident that IM could hang with that. Not nescessarily beat it, but certainly not get blown out. Especially if they cast a strong lead, and supporting cast.

Im gonna predict 40 million for IM's opening weekend but that may change when the rest of the cast is announced.

[WTFwuzThT]

IM will kick the **** out of Bond if it chooses to stay on its present course. Sony is in for a rude awakening. There is a rather large backlash against Craig and this movie isn't gonna do big numbers. IM on the other hand is original and in the hands of a capable director. It's got everything going for it.

[Darthphere]

Lol!

[Advanced Dark]

Sony is betting Marvel's financing will be delayed or complications will arise. That won't happen. Sony's in back up position #1 and if it looks like everything will go smooth for Marvel's financing Sony will move.

[Hunter Rider]

Sony is betting Marvel's financing will be delayed or complications will arise. That won't happen. Sony's in back up position #1 and if it looks like everything will go smooth for Marvel's financing Sony will move.

Fanboy spin is amazing

[AndrewGilkison]

Why do people automatically think this new Bond is going to be a big success?I find it very strange that Sony has already greenlit a follow up to Casino Royale before Casino Royale has even come out in theaters. I'd laugh my ass off if Casino Royale bombed, and Bond 22 wasn't something anyone wanted to see. It would serve Sony right. Of course, the opposite could happen as well.

As for Iron Man, that will need to be marketed great, on top of being a great movie with great word of mouth. Because it is a newcomer to comic book movies, it will need to come out with all guns blazing, and do their best to convince everyone that it isn't just another comic-book movie. It needs to connect with a mass audience the same way X-Men and Batman Begins did. If it can do that with the trailers and the TV spots and the marketing, as well as the film itself, than it will have a shot at being a major success.

[Darthphere]

Why do people automatically think this new Bond is going to be a big success?I find it very strange that Sony has already greenlit a follow up to Casino Royale before Casino Royale has even come out in theaters. I'd laugh my ass off if Casino Royale bombed, and Bond 22 wasn't something anyone wanted to see. It would serve Sony right. Of course, the opposite could happen as well.

As for Iron Man, that will need to be marketed great, on top of being a great movie with great word of mouth. Because it is a newcomer to comic book movies, it will need to come out with all guns blazing, and do their best to convince everyone that it isn't just another comic-book movie. It needs to connect with a mass audience the same way X-Men and Batman Begins did. If it can do that with the trailers and the TV spots and the marketing, as well as the film itself, than it will have a shot at being a major success.


Why do you assume that Iron Man will be a success through advertising?


See, we can go round and round here.

[AndrewGilkison]

Why do you assume that Iron Man will be a success through advertising?


See, we can go round and round here.

How else would it be successful? EVERY movie needs some kind of marketing and advertising in order to be successful. Just like ANY kind of product needs to have people know about it so there is a chance they will buy it, whether that be by commercials or just having other people use it and spread the word around (word of mouth).

I am not the one saying for certain that Iron Man will be a success. Quite frankly, it is too early for anyone to say for sure if it will be a box office success or failure because its two years way from release.

[Darthphere]

How else would it be successful? EVERY movie needs some kind of marketing and advertising in order to be successful. Just like ANY kind of product needs to have people know about it so there is a chance they will buy it, whether that be by commercials or just having other people use it and spread the word around (word of mouth).

I am not the one saying for certain that Iron Man will be a success. Quite frankly, it is too early for anyone to say for sure if it will be a box office success or failure because its two years way from release.


Of course, but you guys say (by that I mean people in egenral) think:"All you need is a good trailer and some commercials and youre set, box office hit. It aint that simple.

[Advanced Dark]

The greater than expected FF's success and X3's success had alot to do with advertising from Fox. Espcially FF which had no prior film for fans to judge.

[WTFwuzThT]

The excitement for Casino at this point is tepid at best. Craigs got wrinkles in his face that are deeper than my ass crack and he in no way resembles Bond. Considering the wretched plot in the last movie and the backlash coming out against replacing Brosnan I'd say this movie has a very good chance of falling on its ass against IM. After waisting money on the last Bond movie I won't be seeing the next and it won't surprise me if the rest of the public at large feel the same way. My movie money will go to IM hands down.

[Advanced Dark]

I have to admit the trailer makes it look like a solid action film but it's no blockbuster. It won't be able to compete head on with a superhero genre film of this scale. Bond has never stood up against any major 100 million dollar aciton film wisely and this date was chosen by Marvel first and there's no need to move. Game of chicken and wishful thinking by Sony and nothing more. I'll see both movies though you have a point...the guy looks nothing like the bonds we've known for decades. I think a 40 million dollar opening for Bond is about all it can muster, 50 million would be shocking. Iron Man is just in the hot genre right now and is just as unknown as FF was to the general moviegoing audience though the buzz is much more positive on Iron Man...and FF opened bigger than Superman or Batman Begins. Opening Weekend is all I'm talking about.

[Hunter Rider]

Ignoring the fact that no one outside of a few fanboys even know Iron Man exsists is classic.

[AndrewGilkison]

Ignoring the fact that no one outside of a few fanboys even know Iron Man exsists is classic.

I guess its up to the movie and the marketing teams to TELL the public who Iron Man is, then.

I don't know, man. Don't you think its a tad early to be calling this movie a guaranteed flop two years away from release, when no pictures, no footage, no trailers, no nothing, is here for us to judge. Jesus Christ, I doubt they have even finished the freaking script yet!

[Hunter Rider]

I guess its up to the movie and the marketing teams to TELL the public who Iron Man is, then.

I don't know, man. Don't you think its a tad early to be calling this movie a guaranteed flop two years away from release, when no pictures, no footage, no trailers, no nothing, is here for us to judge. Jesus Christ, I doubt they have even finished the freaking script yet!

Where did i call it a flop ? i happen to think it has every chance of being good and doing decent BO(about the same as F4 domestic)my point is that despite fanboy hyperbole there is no reason for the Bond movie to be affraid of it,im not sure why Sony chose the same date when all of summer 2008 was free but it won't move unless Casino Royale flops

[Advanced Dark]

I guess its up to the movie and the marketing teams to TELL the public who Iron Man is, then.

I don't know, man. Don't you think its a tad early to be calling this movie a guaranteed flop two years away from release, when no pictures, no footage, no trailers, no nothing, is here for us to judge. Jesus Christ, I doubt they have even finished the freaking script yet!

Yes and there were over 100,000 people at the comic-con with the Marvel Panel w/Favrea getting a huge crowd & jon getting the greatest applause.

[AndrewGilkison]

Yes and there were over 100,000 people at the comic-con with the Marvel Panel w/Favrea getting a huge crowd & jon getting the greatest applause.

That's nice. But this movie will still need to connect with a wider audience than that though.

[WTFwuzThT]

Ignoring the fact that no one outside of a few fanboys even know Iron Man exsists is classic.

Ignoring the fact that FFINO was no Superman either and that the buzz going on was about how ****ty it was but yet it still made a lot of money is even more classic. Considering the growing hype, these two movies are headed in different directions at the moment. Bond will flop Catwoman style.

[CaptainStacy]

Ignoring the fact that no one outside of a few fanboys even know Iron Man exsists is classic.

Yes, but wasnt that also true of Fantastic Four?

Regardless; Hollywood is FILLED with unknown properties that have come out of no where and dominated the box office, going all the way back to the original Star Wars, to The Matrix, to The Incredibes...

Worldwide notoriety is not a guarantee for success. Look at Superman Returns lukewarm box office.

[Hunter Rider]

Ignoring the fact that FFINO was no Superman either and that the buzz going on was about how ****ty it was but yet it still made a lot of money is even more classic. Considering the growing hype, these two movies are headed in different directions at the moment. Bond will flop Catwoman style.

The only bad buzz about Craig is a few net nerds with their panties in a bunch,the film itself is looking great and most like the edgier look Craig brings to the series

[Hunter Rider]

Yes, but wasnt that also true of Fantastic Four?

Regardless; Hollywood is FILLED with unknown properties that have come out of no where and dominated the box office, going all the way back to the original Star Wars, to The Matrix, to The Incredibes...

Worldwide notoriety is not a guarantee for success. Look at Superman Returns lukewarm box office.
I think the F4 was better known than people think,the problem here Cap isn't that i think Iron Man will fail(*far from it) it's this fanboy notion that it's a cert hit and that an established franchise like Bond should be scared that i find ridiculous

[COME ON !]

The only bad buzz about Craig is a few net nerds with their panties in a bunch,the film itself is looking great and most like the edgier look Craig brings to the series

Nail on head;)

[Advanced Dark]

I think the film looks great myself too but Craig doesn't have the pull Brosnan has. I'm a big bond fan but no bond film will be successful against a 140 million dollar film like Iron Man. Iron Man would obviously be hurt like any other action movie if released on the same date. None of it matters though because Bond will move dates.

[COME ON !]

We don't know yet what pull Craig has, he has to prove himself in Casino Royale.

And you're so sure Bond 22 will switch dates, eh ? I think so too:D

[Advanced Dark]

Let me set one other thing clear as well. I think Craig might wind up being a great Bond who knows and it could be a great movie. All of my argument is about it standing up against another big action film that's already set at the same date. It's just a ridiculous move for Sony. If they were throwing Spiderman 3 at that date or Pirates 3 that's one thing but Bond...dumb. Anyways it's not just a few people:

NEW YORK (AP) -- Daniel Craig, the new James Bond, wants critics to give him a chance.

"If I went onto the Internet and started looking at what some people were saying about me -- which, sadly, I have done -- it would drive me insane," the British actor says in an interview in Entertainment Weekly magazine, on newsstands Friday.

"They hate me. They don't think I'm right for the role. It's as simple as that. They're passionate about it, which I understand, but I do wish they'd reserve judgment."

A group of James Bond fans have launched a Web site, www.craignotbond.com, to protest Craig replacing Pierce Brosnan in the 007 film franchise, and to boycott "Casino Royale," slated for release November 17.

The fair-haired Craig, whose screen credits include roles in "Munich" and "Layer Cake," was tapped last October to play the secret-agent icon.

While filming "Casino Royale," the 38-year-old actor was uneasy about uttering those famous words, "The name is Bond, James Bond."

"People kept asking, 'Have you done the line yet?' " Craig tells the magazine.

"But honestly, I didn't rehearse it at all. I didn't practice it in the mirror every morning or anything like that. I didn't want to even think about saying it because I didn't want it to be this weight around my neck. I just wanted to get on with it and not blow it."

Craig decided to take Bond in a new direction.

"I watched every single Bond movie three or four times, taking in everything I could about how the character had been portrayed in the past, then threw all that away once I started doing the role," Craig says.

"There's no point in making this movie unless it's different. It'd be a waste of time unless we took Bond to a place he'd never been before."

[COME ON !]

That article doesn't further your point.It is a minority who have a problem with Craig. It's just the usual media **** and it will all blow over soon like the Mel Gibson thingy.

[Darthphere]

Exactly, vocal minority.

[Advanced Dark]

^ It kind of does further my point. I agree that the general audiences out there will still go see the Bond flicks as usual but there won't be the same type of turnout like there was when Brosnan was there...at least not at first. Let's assume Iron Man and Bond come out on the same day (which won't happen) do you really think Sony would be happy with the outcome or that Bond would have a chance to come out ahead? No way. Especially with this new guy Craig leading the film they want to make sure it's given every chance to suceed because "IF" Iron Man does awesome and overshadows it...even if Craig is great the studio will be really hesitant on how to handle the next film. This is not bond bashing. Again, I love James Bond films and own them all on DVD BTW. Bond even w/Brosnan never went up against this kind of film before. Look at FF with a 58 million dollar opening, and Hulk with 60 million + opening. If Iron Man was gonna open up over 50 million without bond imagine how badly both films would be hurt. Being that Iron Man chose the date first, they have a director, they have an almost completed script, they have the studio space secured, they've started casting...don't you think this was just a cross your fingers and hope scenerio for Sony. I know Sony can't possibly think that Iron Man would run in fear from Bond. Just because a Brosnan Bond film did great against a romantic comedy doens't mean a film with Craig will do just as good or better against Iron Man. It's just stupid and we all know that it really makes no sense. There's plenty of dates out there to choose from and on top of that Bond22 has no director yet thanks to creative differences and they're not going to go too far into Bond22 until they see how Craig does. So don't look at this as Bond bashing but more like using your heads on what makes the most sense and what is more likely to happen.

[COME ON !]

We don't know what turnout there will be for Casino Royale yet, that remains to be seen.

But yeah, it would be foolish for Bond to go up against Iron Man. That would hurt both franchises and Bond will move. That is pretty much certain, I agree with you there:)

[Advanced Dark]

^ That's all I've been saying and just giving reasons why. LOL

[COME ON !]

We're in agreeance then !:D

[Hunter Rider]

It's a few net nerds setting up sites and moaning,you can find one hating Tom Cruise and one trashing Britney spears but they didn't go broke because of it
I notice Iron Man's budget is like phinocios nose it jsut keeps growing,of course nevermind that it's completely unknown it's a guaranteed hit:rolleyes:

[COME ON !]

Did you get my PM ?

[Hunter Rider]

Did you get my PM ?

I just logged on,i have 7,yours is there i'll open it in a minute ;)

[COME ON !]

I just logged on,i have 7,yours is there i'll open it in a minute ;)

Hehe, you're a popular man I see;)

[GL's Light]

...a 140 million dollar film like Iron Man.
I asked you this before, but you didn't answer it, so I'll ask again: where did you get the $ 140 million budget figure for Iron Man?

[kedrell]

^Maybe he was referring to it's likely domestic gross.

[klawman1]

daniel the *** craig has nothin on iron man, hes gonna be the worst bond since George Lazenby who? exactly

[Advanced Dark]

I asked you this before, but you didn't answer it, so I'll ask again: where did you get the $ 140 million budget figure for Iron Man?

A little birdie told me.

[Hunter Rider]

:rolleyes:

[Darthphere]

daniel the *** craig has nothin on iron man, hes gonna be the worst bond since George Lazenby who? exactly


Im sure you will be banned soon. :)

[Darthphere]

A little birdie told me.


he made it up.

[klawman1]

Im sure you will be banned soon. :)

good this thread sucks, d-bag

[COME ON !]

good this thread sucks, d-bag

Aren't you the internet warrior.:rolleyes:

[Advanced Dark]

^ No I am!!!

[COME ON !]

Hehe, ok then ! You can have that moniker from now on:-)

[TheVileOne]

I just want to clarify something. There were NOT 100,000 people at the Marvel panel for Iron Man at Comic Con. 100,000 was probably the amount of people that attended the convention. That actual panel, I bet didn't even have 1,000 people in it.

Also, people need to stop underestimating the popularity and longevity of James Bond. The movie series. Something that Iron Man does NOT have.

One moron was whining about Daniel Craig having wrinkles.

Guess what? Sean Connery wasn't a pretty boy either. He was rugged. And so is Craig.

I guess Craig isn't pretty or metrosexual for some people. But that ain't Bond.

[WTFwuzThT]

Bond will flop. You heard it here first...

[Advanced Dark]

It won't flop it's just not blockbuster material. It'll back off and choose another date and pull in 30-35 million with no competition. If it goes up against Iron Man both films will get hurt but Iron Man would easily come out on top.

[TheVileOne]

Bond not blockbuster material. That's interesting. Also BS.

I hope I don't get put on probation for saying that.

Do people here not realize that Bond has been producing blockbusters since the 60's? And they didn't STOP getting produced for over 40 years?

[Hunter Rider]

Bond not blockbuster material. That's interesting. Also BS.

I hope I don't get put on probation for saying that.

Do people here not realize that Bond has been producing blockbusters since the 60's? And they didn't STOP getting produced for over 60 years?

No apparently an unknown franchise is gonna be to much for it despite the fact it's not even on the mainstream radar

[Chaos Bringer]

if the new Bond fails or disappoints, then Bond probably will.

don't count on that happening. The new Bond will be very big.

[Advanced Dark]

Doesn't matter. Casino isn't opening in May against IRon Man is it. So when Casino opens to 30 million against no competition wtf makes anyone think it'll do half of that against Iron Man. It's just too funny. Bond has never succesfully went head to head against another major action movie and for anyone to think it can go up against the most popular movie genre on the planet no matter how unknown people may think Iron Man is...is laughable.

[Hunter Rider]

Edit

[kedrell]

It's a moot point now:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/jamesbondnews.php?id=4695

[Hunter Rider]

It's a moot point now:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/jamesbondnews.php?id=4695

Yeah i was a bit surprised to read that as notihng's changed to make that choice but it's best for both movies so i'm glad and it will put and end to the arguments

[Ironman24]

Agreed, I glad to hear it moved.

[Advanced Dark]

LMFAO at the doubters. Oh no James Bond won't move he's such a big long lasting franchise. Oh no Marvel movie has ever faced a Bond film. Bond is too big for Iron Man...Iron Man is an unknown. LMFAO

Who said it? I love rubbing it in because it was so damn obvious.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9836480&postcount=324

Game of chicken that failed.

[antariksh]

Bond 22 Targeting Nov. 7, 2008

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=16308


HAHAHAHA Bond is no longer a competition for IRON MAN.

So far so good.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9656057&postcount=136

Rub rub rub ouch. Ok I'm spent. Bye.

"Bond will move...I guarantee it." -Advanced Dark (God of movie date changes)

[Darthphere]

Wow, Advanced Dark's one purpose in life has been fulfilled, he can kill himself now.

[Advanced Dark]

I have already killed myself. I am a being of pure energy now and live inside the internet. I am Cyberjesus.

[Ironman24]

Nice call Advanced, you where right, big cred.

[CaptainStacy]

You gotta admit though; the fact that a major franchise like James Bond blinked and backed off from Iron Man does nothing but make Iron Man look good. :up:

[Darthphere]

You gotta admit though; the fact that a major franchise like James Bond blinked and backed off from Iron Man does nothing but make Iron Man look good. :up:


Not really.

[CaptainStacy]

Not really.

Yeah.

Really. :cool:

[Darthphere]

No, all it means is they realized they needed more time to actually shoot the movie. COnsidering, CR comes out in November and the DVD will probably be out by May, they wont know until late 07 if doing a Bond 22 is financially viable.

[Advanced Dark]

Nice call Advanced, you where right, big cred.

I'm just rubbing it in a bit and having fun with it but to me it was so freaking obvious that Sony was playing games. If you look at my reasoning why I thought this it was because Iron Man already had a director, the script was pretty much wrapped up, they already had the date, it was in casting, it's had way more prep time, the genre is more popular than any other at this time overall, and Bond while long lasting doesn't have the explosive box office power on opeing weekend as the comic book films. Even if the comic book films wind up having no legs it would destroy the competitions opening weekend to the point of Bond not being able to recover. I don't think Iron Man will do any less than Fantastic Four on opening weekend. The damage would have already been done at that point and with Sony basically restarting a franchise they're be stupid to blow it all on the first film because if they stuck to that date and Bond didn't even have a chance to make it's money people would start blaming the franchise, or Craig, etc...November is a perfect date for the film all by itself...for now. Don't be shocked though if Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" is released somewhere around that time though. Annoucement to come.



http://www.in-sect.com/scr/daniel_craig.jpg
"Sorry for butting in Fav's...I'll be leaving now."

[YJ1]

LMFAO at the doubters. Oh no James Bond won't move he's such a big long lasting franchise. Oh no Marvel movie has ever faced a Bond film. Bond is too big for Iron Man...Iron Man is an unknown. LMFAO

Who said it? I love rubbing it in because it was so damn obvious.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9836480&postcount=324

Game of chicken that failed.

We both called this one correctly.

Nice job, Blades.

[Hunter Rider]

T3h Zombies are loose i see :rolleyes:

[hippie_hunter]

I'm surprised to see that Bond was the one to move. I though Iron Man was going to be the one to move on account that James Bond was the bigger and more well known franchise.

However this move is for the best. I do think that Bond has been put into a better timeslot and now both Iron Man and Bond 22 don't have to worry about a major competitor opening on the same day thus hurting both films

[Advanced Dark]

Bond is successful without any major direct competition. It is getting kind of stale. I just watched Die Another Day a few days back and I couldn't believe how cheesey that film was...and I liked it when I first saw it. Austin Powers has material to spoof on for years to come off this franchise. I'll go see Casino and the new one but I won't rush out to see it like fans did for Hulk, FF, and will do the same for Iron Man. Bond just doesn't have that kind of fan rush and Iron Man has a bigger fan base than most think, it has the Marvel brand which has a huge following, and it's just a very hot genre right now. Like it or not FF2 will open up huge, as will Incredible Hulk because the fans are there...I just hope the material is good enough so that it's enjoyable to watch and warrants a sequel. It was stupid for Sony to try to snag that date in May when there were so many other dates to choose from in May to honor Ian. Though I loved X3 I wish Fox had made this move and delayed X3 to this Winter so we had a bit more substance in that film.

[CaptainStacy]

I wonder if, due to their close association through Spider-Man (and Ghost Rider, iirc) Marvel asked Sony to release Bond on another weekend...?

[Hiruu]

Bond is successful without any major direct competition. It is getting kind of stale. I just watched Die Another Day a few days back and I couldn't believe how cheesey that film was...and I liked it when I first saw it. Austin Powers has material to spoof on for years to come off this franchise. I'll go see Casino and the new one but I won't rush out to see it like fans did for Hulk, FF, and will do the same for Iron Man. Bond just doesn't have that kind of fan rush and Iron Man has a bigger fan base than most think, it has the Marvel brand which has a huge following, and it's just a very hot genre right now. Like it or not FF2 will open up huge, as will Incredible Hulk because the fans are there...I just hope the material is good enough so that it's enjoyable to watch and warrants a sequel. It was stupid for Sony to try to snag that date in May when there were so many other dates to choose from in May to honor Ian. Though I loved X3 I wish Fox had made this move and delayed X3 to this Winter so we had a bit more substance in that film.

HUGE boost for Iron Man...outta the gate, this film will have ALOT of summer buzz to it, and little competition. Hopefully, some details about the film will come out, over the next couple of months...Hope a trailer is attached to SM3 for both Iron Man and Hulk...that would be killer!

[hippie_hunter]

Bond is successful without any major direct competition. It is getting kind of stale. I just watched Die Another Day a few days back and I couldn't believe how cheesey that film was...and I liked it when I first saw it. Austin Powers has material to spoof on for years to come off this franchise. I'll go see Casino and the new one but I won't rush out to see it like fans did for Hulk, FF, and will do the same for Iron Man. Bond just doesn't have that kind of fan rush and Iron Man has a bigger fan base than most think, it has the Marvel brand which has a huge following, and it's just a very hot genre right now. Like it or not FF2 will open up huge, as will Incredible Hulk because the fans are there...I just hope the material is good enough so that it's enjoyable to watch and warrants a sequel. It was stupid for Sony to try to snag that date in May when there were so many other dates to choose from in May to honor Ian. Though I loved X3 I wish Fox had made this move and delayed X3 to this Winter so we had a bit more substance in that film.

Sony has realised that the Bond franchise was getting stale. That is why Casino Royale is a reboot of the Bond franchise. To bring life back into it. I have friends that are really excited for it to come out. James Bond is a much bigger franchise than Iron Man is.

However, I bet Sony didn't move out of fear of Iron Man. They did it because unlike 20th Century Fox, they aren't rushing big properties such as Spider-Man, James Bond, etc. to the ground. They still need to find a director, a script, etc. They got something good going on here and they aren't going to kill it so quickly.

[Advanced Dark]

Sony has realised that the Bond franchise was getting stale. That is why Casino Royale is a reboot of the Bond franchise. To bring life back into it. I have friends that are really excited for it to come out. James Bond is a much bigger franchise than Iron Man is.

However, I bet Sony didn't move out of fear of Iron Man. They did it because unlike 20th Century Fox, they aren't rushing big properties such as Spider-Man, James Bond, etc. to the ground. They still need to find a director, a script, etc. They got something good going on here and they aren't going to kill it so quickly.

Yes they were rushing it but part of the reason for the move was the competition. It's doesn't even matter anymore but you know what the cool thing is. Probably no big block busters will come out the week before Iron Man. We might see Iron Man move it's date back a couple of days to Wed or Thur since each week after May 2nd will be filled with big event pictures. I'm really excited to see how Favreau does this. I honestly can't even picture the trailer in my head. I see the image on the poster but can't imagine it in live action...it's gonna be wild.

Edit: Just found this:

New Bond actor has 'Infamous' kiss with man
POSTED: 1:23 p.m. EDT, September 1, 2006
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VENICE, Italy (AP) -- No doubt there are plenty of on-screen kisses in store for Daniel Craig as the new James Bond. But none will be more talked about than the one that premiered at the Venice Film Festival.

Craig plays one of the men who brutally murdered a Kansas farm family in "Infamous," which examines Truman Capote's emotional journey into the minds of two killers that formed the core of his true-crime novel, "In Cold Blood."

An attachment grew between Capote and confessed killer Perry Smith during the long periods the author spent in Kansas teasing out their story, and in a pivotal moment, the two men kiss.

"I never dreamed I'd kiss James Bond," quipped Toby Jones, the British actor who plays Capote. "Now that I've done it, I say I hope I'm just the first of many."

Director Douglas McGrath said Craig was not a recognizable screen presence to most moviegoing audiences when he cast the 38-year-old actor for his movie, which also stars Sandra Bullock.

"That isn't going to be the case in (a few) weeks," McGrath said.

Craig missed Thursday night's premiere, reportedly to finish work on the Bond picture, "Casino Royale," due out in November.

While the Bond movie will enjoy a much wider release, McGrath said the close timing is good for both films -- and a good opportunity for audiences to see what Craig is made of.

"For people to see Daniel as Perry Smith, a low-class, uneducated, vile misfit, and then to see him as James Bond ... it offers an immediate comparison and shows what kind of range he has," McGrath said.

"Infamous" was shown out of competition in Venice. The movie was in production just a bit behind last year's "Capote," which examines roughly the same period of the author's life.

McGrath said the studio held his film back so the two movies would not get in each other's way.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[Sentinel X]

Looks like Irom Man doesn't have big competition.

James Bond comes out May 2008.

Iron Man comes out May 2007.HAHAHA!!THat be even worse...SM3...Shrek 3...POTC 3


I think Iron Man has a chance. It doesnt seem like the typical "superhero" movie. It has a bond like charecter. If the trailers are very good Im sure itll beat bond. If the trailers are bad...say goodbye to the Iron man franchise

[Darthphere]

Edit: Just found this:


How is that relevant to anything going on here?

[Advanced Dark]

This whole thread is irrelevant now however it has to do with Bond which is referenced in the title of this thread

. Since these two movies aren't facing each other perhaps this thread should be closed.

[TheVileOne]

It's relevant because obviously a guy who plays someone in a movie that kisses another guy can't be James Bond. So that means he's a horrible and "bland" choice for Bond.

I guess since Hugh Jackman played a gay character in The Boy From Oz he should be fired from Wolverine.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Troll ignored.

[hippie_hunter]

Yes they were rushing it but part of the reason for the move was the competition. It's doesn't even matter anymore but you know what the cool thing is. Probably no big block busters will come out the week before Iron Man. We might see Iron Man move it's date back a couple of days to Wed or Thur since each week after May 2nd will be filled with big event pictures. I'm really excited to see how Favreau does this. I honestly can't even picture the trailer in my head. I see the image on the poster but can't imagine it in live action...it's gonna be wild.

No, Sony pushed it back because it would have been impossible to make the sequel to Casino Royale by that date. They don't have a director, a script, completed casting, etc. They aren't rushing it. If they were, they would have stuck to the date and Iron Man would have been the one that was forced to move. Sony isn't like 20th Century Fox where they ruin franchises such as Alien, Predator, X-Men, and Fantastic Four to the ground due to rushing. Sony treats its franchises such as Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, James Bond, etc., with some degree of respect at least.

Bond 22 was not moved because of the competition. A large established franchise such as James Bond would have no reason to fear a non-established franchise from an independent movie studio.

Although I think that we can both agree that both James Bond 22 and Iron Man would have seriously hurt each other if they did open on the same day.

[Advanced Dark]

No, Sony pushed it back because it would have been impossible to make the sequel to Casino Royale by that date. They don't have a director, a script, completed casting, etc. They aren't rushing it. If they were, they would have stuck to the date and Iron Man would have been the one that was forced to move. Sony isn't like 20th Century Fox where they ruin franchises such as Alien, Predator, X-Men, and Fantastic Four to the ground due to rushing. Sony treats its franchises such as Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, James Bond, etc., with some degree of respect at least.

Bond 22 was not moved because of the competition. A large established franchise such as James Bond would have no reason to fear a non-established franchise from an independent movie studio.

Although I think that we can both agree that both James Bond 22 and Iron Man would have seriously hurt each other if they did open on the same day.

^ That all sounds nice but then why'd they pick that date? They would have hurt each other of course but Bond would have been wrecked on opening weekend. All big budget Marvel films have huge opening weekends...with no exceptions and Bond would be devastated and every weekend after that new released come out...it'd get overlooked. It wasn't worth rushing for that date with Iron Man already so much ahead of it.

On a side note I liked the first teaser for Bond but that new trailer makes the movie look really bad. Craig comes across very dry and with almost no personality. He's the anti-bond. Maybe he's a good guy and a good actor but something's not right. The produciton values look solid but he just blends in to that pic. He doesn't stand out. He's not gonna last IMO.

[hippie_hunter]

^ That all sounds nice but then why'd they pick that date? They would have hurt each other of course but Bond would have been wrecked on opening weekend. All big budget Marvel films have huge opening weekends...with no exceptions and Bond would be devastated and every weekend after that new released come out...it'd get overlooked. It wasn't worth rushing for that date with Iron Man already so much ahead of it.
Iron Man would not have wrecked James Bond. James Bond would have come out on top with a slim margin. That's my prediction if they both opened up on the same day.

On a side note I liked the first teaser for Bond but that new trailer makes the movie look really bad. Craig comes across very dry and with almost no personality. He's the anti-bond. Maybe he's a good guy and a good actor but something's not right. The produciton values look solid but he just blends in to that pic. He doesn't stand out. He's not gonna last IMO.
What the hell are you talking about. That trailer kicked ass. I don't consider myself to be a Bond fan, but I am actually excited for this movie. It's going to be sick!

[lizard855]

Ironman is going to beat bond no question

[Advanced Dark]

It's not an issue now but ^^^ you're right. I like the Bond franchise but it just looks lame. Craig doesn't appear to be a stand out for James Bond and his personality is lacking for that character. It just screened:

007 is screened
This one time, at Bond Camp. So, mixed feelings at a preview screening here in town the other night. You get the usual plants who subsequently post stuff on the net at these typa things, but hey, what will always be will always be. Anyways, the overall word I felt was “Craig ain’t no James Bond” and “it’s no Bond movie by any means.” But it is a relatively okay film, once finished. My spies tell me (and they’re not just your run of the mill film goers, these are insiders, my fellow simian pals). “It wants to be the Bourne Identity.” And “It wants to be a rebellious Bond flick.” and “It wants to be a 12 rated QT film.” And “It wants to be original, but ain’t.” Q and Pierce were both rejected and kicked in the face. Q wanted to **** Bond up and Pierce woulda gone with that. Hell, didn’t Connery recommend Q a fair while back to the Brocs? Okay, I admit, the trailer looks good. There’s not enough of the Aston Martin. Bond is a little all over the place, but I’m sure that was a script problem. A three picture deal or a “let’s see how the first one goes” scenario? Anybody seen a picture of the toy? Eww.

Source: Moviehole

[TheVileOne]

I'm confused why Advanced Dark is still posting anti-Bond propaganda here, when Bond and Iron Man are not being released opposite each other.

[Advanced Dark]

Of course you are and we're all fine with that.

[hippie_hunter]

God damnit, now that Bond is gone Kung Fu Panda has taken its place :cmad:

My guess is that Iron Man is going to move a bit from that one.

[IronMan_2005]

God damnit, now that Bond is gone Kung Fu Panda has taken its place :cmad:

My guess is that Iron Man is going to move a bit from that one.

On countingdown.com and Imdb.com they have it being released on May 23. Lets hope that date is the correct one.

Dreamworks is making the movie and Paramount is distributing it, I really don't think Paramount is stupid enough to distribute two movies on the same date.

[WeaponXProject]

Besides Bond, he's got The Dark Knight, some sure to be crap Will Smith's Tonight, He comes, and the Hulk so it should be a tight race. In the month of May, however, is when this movie comes out and should see no real competition until June. Which is a good thing, for us!

[Cinemaman]

IM has really very serious competitors like Narnia 2, Speed Racer and Kung-Fu Panda.

So I think it will be able to make only $180-190m, what is also very good numbers for 1st movie of franchise.

But still the biggest shark will be Narnia 2, TDK and Harry Potter 6.

I also think about Speed Racer, but it can turn out as a miss.

[Negative Creep]

Does anybody know how much Casino Royale made in the US yesterday ?

Thanks

[Negative Creep]

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[Advanced Dark]

14 million. Looks like 40-43 million for the weekend which is exactly why Bond can't compete with a big budget Marvel film or any major comic book effort. That's less than Die Another Day took in it's first day with cheaper ticket prices. It's still a very respectable take considering the negative buzz around Craig and the loss of Brosnan. I love this franchise and I'm going to see Casino next week. Maybe Craig will win me over. Anyways Bond needs to open up by itself and could never handle opening against the hottest genre around right now. Even a mediocre film like the first FF would have crushed it or severely damaged it. Smart move by Sony and good for everyone. Yeah Iron Man isn't a household name amongst today's kids yet...but he will be on May 2nd and those same kids would choose Iron Man over Bond any day of the week. Some by choice and others cause Bond's content though PG-13 is alot more serious and adult oriented than FF or the like could ever be. The 43 million is the 30-35 million I figured. I think I said 40 tops but 43 is solid...if it hits that.

[Cinemaman]

I guess it will make about $45m opening weekend and $155m domesticly.

That's very good, but as for me, I was expecting more from this movie. It just looked for me like a disappointment (but still, Craig is awesome Bond).

[TheVileOne]

The movie was far from being a disappointment, did you actually see it Cinemaman?

[kedrell]

IM has really very serious competitors like Narnia 2, Speed Racer and Kung-Fu Panda.

So I think it will be able to make only $180-190m, what is also very good numbers for 1st movie of franchise.

But still the biggest shark will be Narnia 2, TDK and Harry Potter 6.

I also think about Speed Racer, but it can turn out as a miss.

I'm skeptical about how big Speed Racer could be. It does have it's fan base but I'm not sure there's much room for expansion beyond it. 100M DOM at best is my guess right now with out any further info. Kung Fu Panda looks to be another Over The Hedge (150-160M DOM). I'd say Narnia 2 is the real competitor at this point even though I don't think it'll do as well as the first movie since it's not as well known a story as the first. It should still clear 200M easily. And HP6 and TDK obviously are huge as well but since HP6 won't be out until November 21st, 2008 and TDK until July 18, 2008 I don't think either of them will have any effect on IM's box office. Narnia 2 on the other hand comes out May 16, 2008 so that's a bit closer. Still gives IM 2 solid weeks before to make as much dough as it can.

[Advanced Dark]

Bond wound up in 2nd place for it's first weekend. The numbers aren't bad but it couldn't hit #1 against a childrens movie. Sony knew that no way in hell it'd make #1 against Iron Man which is in the same genre and at the same time would attract more young ones than bond ever could. Casino should have solid legs and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it grossed 125-140 million.

[hippie_hunter]

Bond wound up in 2nd place for it's first weekend. The numbers aren't bad but it couldn't hit #1 against a childrens movie. Sony knew that no way in hell it'd make #1 against Iron Man which is in the same genre and at the same time would attract more young ones than bond ever could. Casino should have solid legs and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it grossed 125-140 million.

I was talking to quite a few adults and they were excited for Happy Feet. Honestly, this CGI-animation trend is starting to really piss me off. Asides from the Pixar and Shrek movies (in the case of the Shrek movies it's starting to get stale with Shrek 3, Shrek 4, and Puss and Boots in production), they all suck ass.

Sony didn't move Bond 22 because of Iron Man, they moved it because there was no way in hell that they would have had it done in time by May 2nd with it being good. If they both had the same day, both films would be hurting each other. In truth there would be no victor.

I just saw Casino Royale, and let me tell you, IT...KICKED...ASS! In my opinion it is tied for the best movie of 2006 (with Superman Returns). If Sony rushed it and was nowhere near as good as Casino Royale, I would be PISSED.

[Advanced Dark]

Barely over 40 million. On the low end of estimates after first day #'s were tallied.

[hippie_hunter]

This thread is acting screwy

[hippie_hunter]

Bond wound up in 2nd place for it's first weekend. The numbers aren't bad but it couldn't hit #1 against a childrens movie. Sony knew that no way in hell it'd make #1 against Iron Man which is in the same genre and at the same time would attract more young ones than bond ever could. Casino should have solid legs and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it grossed 125-140 million.

Sony did not move Bond 22 because of Iron Man, they moved it because there was no way in hell that they would have completed the film by May 2, 2008 and manage to make it as kick ass as Casino Royale.

[Advanced Dark]

Keep tellin yourself that. Why'd they pick the date then? They tried to bully Marvel out and it didn't work and at the same time they lose their director and made it look more obvious they were in no position to do any bullying. I said from the start that Sony was playing a game of chicken and had Iron Man flew away they'd figure out a way to make that date. It's over now but it's clear with Casino hitting 40 million against no other similar films that it's would be foolish for Bond 22 to try to push Iron man out of the way that was so much further ahead of it. Iron Man was too similar of a style movie (sans the armor LOL) to bond for sony to play games. I haven't seen Casino yet and my negativity isn't a knock on Casino. Bond just can't stand up against something like Dark Knight, Iron Man, Hulk, etc...It would get detroyed opening weekend and there'd be no way to recover the following weekend in a summer where new big films open each week.

[hippie_hunter]

Keep tellin yourself that. Why'd they pick the date then? They tried to bully Marvel out and it didn't work and at the same time they lose their director and made it look more obvious they were in no position to do any bullying. I said from the start that Sony was playing a game of chicken and had Iron Man flew away they'd figure out a way to make that date. It's over now but it's clear with Casino hitting 40 million against no other similar films that it's would be foolish for Bond 22 to try to push Iron man out of the way that was so much further ahead of it. Iron Man was too similar of a style movie (sans the armor LOL) to bond for sony to play games. I haven't seen Casino yet and my negativity isn't a knock on Casino. Bond just can't stand up against something like Dark Knight, Iron Man, Hulk, etc...It would get detroyed opening weekend and there'd be no way to recover the following weekend in a summer where new big films open each week.

Yes they did try to bully Marvel. That much is obvious. But I won't count Bond 22 out as a second contender. This new Bond is being very well received.

But the rate that Iron Man was going and Bond 22 was going. Iron Man was going to make the date while from the looks of it, going to be made right, Bond 22 wasn't. So unless you want a rushed, CGI-laden, s**tty Bond movie like Die Another Day instead of a masterpiece like Casino Royale, a move was logical.

If they came out the same day, the same situation would have happened like Casino Royale and Happy Feet, a nearly even box office in take with one taking an edge of only a couple of million. In the end, hurting both films potential of getting as much business they should (or in the case of Happy Feet, shouldn't).

It could go either way because as I have said, this new Bond is being very well received and is going to have legs in the box office, unlike Happy Feet.

[Cinemaman]

The movie was far from being a disappointment, did you actually see it Cinemaman?

Yep, I saw it.

I liked cast (Craig rules) and action. But for me, script was the weakest aspect of the movie.

I'll re-watch CR tomorrow. Maybe I'll change my mind, maybe not.

[Cinemaman]

I'm skeptical about how big Speed Racer could be. It does have it's fan base but I'm not sure there's much room for expansion beyond it. 100M DOM at best is my guess right now with out any further info. Kung Fu Panda looks to be another Over The Hedge (150-160M DOM). I'd say Narnia 2 is the real competitor at this point even though I don't think it'll do as well as the first movie since it's not as well known a story as the first. It should still clear 200M easily. And HP6 and TDK obviously are huge as well but since HP6 won't be out until November 21st, 2008 and TDK until July 18, 2008 I don't think either of them will have any effect on IM's box office. Narnia 2 on the other hand comes out May 16, 2008 so that's a bit closer. Still gives IM 2 solid weeks before to make as much dough as it can.

I will agree with you about Kung-Fu Panda, TDK and HP6.

TDK would be very huge shark IM, but there is big difference in release dates, what helps IM.

But Speed Racer have enough potential to make much more than $100m. Anyway, now my guess is $135-145m domesticly.

After 1st movie, Narnia became very famous franchise like POTC. So I won't be sureprised, if sequel will make $350m.

[Cinemaman]

Barely over 40 million. On the low end of estimates after first day #'s were tallied.

LOL

CR didn't make more than $45m OW, because of it's hate base, which was built around the movie.

As I see it now, people start like this movie (just look at critics), whta means good WOM.

And as I think, you know what does mean good WOM? Good legs.

So I can see CR making $150-160m in total.

The same situation happened with BB, don't you remember this?

[Negative Creep]

LOL

CR didn't make more than $45m OW, because of it's hate base, which was built around the movie.

As I see it now, people start like this movie (just look at critics), whta means good WOM.

And as I think, you know what does mean good WOM? Good legs.

So I can see CR making $150-160m in total.

The same situation happened with BB, don't you remember this?

I think it can do even better judging by how well received it was and critical response. It will have good legs.

Seeing as people love Casino Royale - I think Bond 22 has a good chance of making more than Iron Man.

I say $170-190m domestic for Casino Royale.

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Well, if CR makes more than $150m, then Bond 22 will have very big potential in box office.

[Negative Creep]

^^^

Well, if CR makes more than $150m, then Bond 22 will have very big potential in box office.

Exactly.

And I'm pretty sure it will.

[Iceburgeruk]

Calm down everyone. Just because there is more blockbuster films than just iron man in 2008 doesn`t mean iron man will fail and that they are trying to shoulder marvel out of the market.

There was always going to be another blockbuster up against iron man. If its a decent film it will do fine. If its a crap film then who cares anyways.

[DACrowe]

I don't even want to imagine what the Batman and Iron Man fanboy fights are going to be like in '08 now.

[Advanced Dark]

Those movies are far enough apart not to worry about each other. Batman should do the best of the comic films but Iron Man has the jump on everyone so it should do well. Hulk is what most interests me. I can't wait to see what Louis does.

[Advanced Dark]

LOL

CR didn't make more than $45m OW, because of it's hate base, which was built around the movie.

As I see it now, people start like this movie (just look at critics), whta means good WOM.

And as I think, you know what does mean good WOM? Good legs.

So I can see CR making $150-160m in total.

The same situation happened with BB, don't you remember this?

Hatebase? LOL that's a funny term. It's not the same as BB. BB was hurt by the bad taste from earlier films, whereas CR was hurt by fans not comfortable with the new lead. Fortunately for everyone CR is a great film like BB and that will help the franchise. Bond won't have the potential of the big budget comic films at this point in time...it's better for Bond to go up against counter programming.

[hippie_hunter]

Casino Royale had the craptacular Die Another Day and those who hated the lead were ignorant right from the start

[Walks Unseen]

Sorry, look at next post.

[Walks Unseen]

I love Bond and I love Iron Man. But I think Marvel will blink and readjust IM's release date because Casino Royale has already done huge and Bond 22 will most likely do even better.

[Advanced Dark]

^ What planet are you on? Bond 22 already ran away. LOL Don't forget Casino opened up against no similar competition and Iron Man starts filming next month and is in the hottest genre...period. Bond did good but would have been severely damaged by trying to push Iron Man (who already had that date) away with a similar action film.

Moot though...Bond ran away with all of these excuses...but don't forget Sony picked that date to begin with so they shouldn't be making excuses. Lasty, Bond's opening weekend was nothing scary considering the competition and it opened less than Die Another Day. Imagine Iron Man was opening on the same day with a 100+ million dollar budget. Iron Man appeals to a much broader audience including more kids than Bond will ever attract. That's why the Superhero films on this scale open with such huge #'s and Bond would NEVER be able to recover from that.

Just look at the opening weekend #'s of Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Hulk, etc...They all had huge opening weekends all larger than Bond but quite a bit. Legs or not any competition opening on the same day is wrecked and the damage would be done. Too much competition every week for Bond 22 to make up ground after that. Iron Man would be hurt too but to a lesser extent. Bond was smart to move whatever their excuse is and Bond needs to open up against strictly counter programming to do well. You don't see fans lined up in massive lines overnight to see a bond film ever...at least not in the US on any large scale.

[Cinemaman]

Hatebase? LOL that's a funny term. It's not the same as BB. BB was hurt by the bad taste from earlier films, whereas CR was hurt by fans not comfortable with the new lead. Fortunately for everyone CR is a great film like BB and that will help the franchise. Bond won't have the potential of the big budget comic films at this point in time...it's better for Bond to go up against counter programming.

So isn't this hatebase? :confused:

[Cinemaman]

AD, you should take a hike, it's very useful :rolleyes:

[The SpiderMan]

I'll eat my hat if IM beats out Bond at the box office.

No one other than comic readers know what an Iron Man is.

[muscaremy]

there u are mistaken....i know plenty of people who dont read comics that know who he is....and also dont forget capcom put him in their fighting games and those got alot of exposure.....

and on side note i saw casino royale and really liked it(specially the nut torture) so im glad it moved.. hate it wen 2 movies i wanna see open same weekend

[Advanced Dark]

I'll eat my hat if IM beats out Bond at the box office.

No one other than comic readers know what an Iron Man is.

You'll be eating your nuts LOL. Iron Man is the first big action comic film in 2008 and it's a fresh character for the big screen blending aspects of Bond wiht Superhero films. It's also a hero on a Worldwide scale so there's gonna be huge amounts of action and flight sequences that should be real fun and everyone involved so far is highly respected by fans, critics, and the industry.

Iron Man will easily surpass that take of Bond 22. Even if Iron Man's quality isn't on par with Bond (though I know it will be if not better) the genre has more appeal to the younger audience where Bond lacks that. I can guarantee you that.

This new Bond will probably be gross more than the next one since it's the first movie with the new Bond which always attracts much more press and it looks to top out around 160 million which is very respectable.

[Negative Creep]

Iron Man will easily surpass that take of Bond 22. Even if Iron Man's quality isn't on par with Bond (though I know it will be if not better)

How do you know that ?

[Advanced Dark]

Common sense. I can't help you there.

[Negative Creep]

Common sense. I can't help you there.

You're so mean.:csad:

Seriously though ?

[Advanced Dark]

I think your screen name made me harsh. LOL How do I know what?

That it'll make more money. (reasons explained)

That the quality will be on par or better than bond?

a) budget
b) Favreau
c) casting so far
d) this is Marvel's first in-house pic they have too much to gain not to make an awesome flick.

[Negative Creep]

I think your screen name made me harsh. LOL How do I know what?

:yay:

a) budget
b) Favreau
c) casting so far
d) this is Marvel's first in-house pic they have too much to gain not to make an awesome flick.

Yeah, it is looking good, but you can never know for sure.

[Advanced Dark]

I know for sure that Iron Man will make more at the box office then Bond 22.

[Hunter Rider]

Iron Man will be lucky to make as much money as Bond 22,to do so it will have to perform at a really high level overseas as well as in the US which is unlikely

[Negative Creep]

I know for sure that Iron Man will make more at the box office then Bond 22.

I meant this part;

"Even if Iron Man's quality isn't on par with Bond (though I know it will be if not better) "

You can't know what quality the movies are yet.

Not that you can know how much they'll make either.:cwink:

[Cinemaman]

Iron Man will be lucky to make as much money as Bond 22,to do so it will have to perform at a really high level overseas as well as in the US which is unlikely

Agreed. I can't wait for IM, but I doubt it will make $200m domesticly or more than $400m in WW.

But what about Bond 22, I see there better results than CR had. Why so? Because of CR's good legs and WOM.

[Advanced Dark]

Iron Man will be lucky to make as much money as Bond 22,to do so it will have to perform at a really high level overseas as well as in the US which is unlikely

LOL. I remember all the people here talking about how Iron Man would move when Sony pushed in on Marvel's date. Iron Man will move blah blah blah. Then when Bond moved there was all the excuses on why it moved, Sony could never make that date, blah blah blah. Then whey'd they try to move in on Marvel in the first place. It's all hot air. Iron Man will "EASILY" surpass Bond 22's domestic totals. Worldwide is showing Craig and Bond are still hot in the International market so it's doing real well there especially in Europe which I guess should be expected. I have no doubt Iron Man will make 175-200 million. No doubt and Casino won't make that, and Bond 22 won't have the hype of Casino which is essentially a restart on the franchise with a new bond.

[Hunter Rider]

LOL. I remember all the people here talking about how Iron Man would move when Sony pushed in on Marvel's date. Iron Man will move blah blah blah. Then when Bond moved there was all the excuses on why it moved, Sony could never make that date, blah blah blah. Then whey'd they try to move in on Marvel in the first place. It's all hot air. Iron Man will "EASILY" surpass Bond 22's domestic totals. Worldwide is showing Craig and Bond are still hot in the International market so it's doing real well there especially in Europe which I guess should be expected. I have no doubt Iron Man will make 175-200 million. No doubt and Casino won't make that, and Bond 22 won't have the hype of Casino which is essentially a restart on the franchise with a new bond.

I'm struck with shock and awe at this:wow::cwink:
I never once said Iron Man would move i said that Bond would hit it hard and i would have been right
I'm not interested in the politics or fanboy pissing contests but you have this movie just like GR way out of it's league
CR is currently sitting with a nice 115M in the US from a Bond that has won ppl and critics over,the next will have a much greater expectancy
Also on WW total both Bond movies will exceed Iron Man

[Walks Unseen]

^ What planet are you on? Bond 22 already ran away. LOL Don't forget Casino opened up against no similar competition and Iron Man starts filming next month and is in the hottest genre...period. Bond did good but would have been severely damaged by trying to push Iron Man (who already had that date) away with a similar action film.

Moot though...Bond ran away with all of these excuses...but don't forget Sony picked that date to begin with so they shouldn't be making excuses. Lasty, Bond's opening weekend was nothing scary considering the competition and it opened less than Die Another Day. Imagine Iron Man was opening on the same day with a 100+ million dollar budget. Iron Man appeals to a much broader audience including more kids than Bond will ever attract. That's why the Superhero films on this scale open with such huge #'s and Bond would NEVER be able to recover from that.

Just look at the opening weekend #'s of Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Hulk, etc...They all had huge opening weekends all larger than Bond but quite a bit. Legs or not any competition opening on the same day is wrecked and the damage would be done. Too much competition every week for Bond 22 to make up ground after that. Iron Man would be hurt too but to a lesser extent. Bond was smart to move whatever their excuse is and Bond needs to open up against strictly counter programming to do well. You don't see fans lined up in massive lines overnight to see a bond film ever...at least not in the US on any large scale.

I disagree. Iron Man is not that well known with the general movie going audience. Batman is, Superman is, Spider-Man is but I think if you were to ask an ordinary person who Iron Man or Tony Stark is they probably wouldn't know. Bond is one of the most recognised figures in film, and is one of the most popular film franchises ever. Bond 21 would have done well even if it were released in the summer of this year. Bond 22 will be more successfull IMO, especially seeing how people really like Casino Royale, how popular it's become, and how people really like Daniel Craig.

I guaren-dam-tee you Bond 22 will do better at the box office than Iron Man. Like it or not it will. And if you dont believe me just wait for Summer 2008 and you will see.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Well known doesn't translate to a better box office. Bond isn't a franchise that all the kids flock too. You don't see kids buying Bond toys, Bond lunchboxes, wearing Bond apparell, sleeping in Bond sleeping bags, or jumping on a James bond Jumper outside. Marvel brand is very strong and they have so many methods of exposing a character it's mind blowing. So when Iron Man get's closer and the trailers come out it's going to excite a much larger population of the younger generation...and these are the people that go to see films 2 or 3 times if not more. How well known was Indiana Jones before he came out the first time? Han Solo? Fantastic Four were basically new to the people that drove the box office last year. FF never had any real exposure on a global level in the media like Batman, etc...Yet look at the big push on opening weekend almost 60 million. It's even more intriguing to people if a trailer for a movie looks awesome...and the character is new. I was at the SDCC this past Summer and if you were there to just see the line of people waiting to get Fav's signature, the excitment at the Marvel panel over Iron Man was huge, and Favreau is respected by pretty much...everyone. This is Marvel's 1st studio release, it's the first blockbuster of 2008 with an early May release date, and the cast is looking awesome so far. Sorry but your argument is lame to me. As I said a few posts above though I'm saying Iron Man will easily beat Bond in the domestic market, though it'll have a tougher time on the international side without a killer marketing campaign...which Marvel will have. :) Here in the US it'll be a cake walk though.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm struck with shock and awe at this:wow::cwink:
I never once said Iron Man would move i said that Bond would hit it hard and i would have been right
I'm not interested in the politics or fanboy pissing contests but you have this movie just like GR way out of it's league
CR is currently sitting with a nice 115M in the US from a Bond that has won ppl and critics over,the next will have a much greater expectancy
Also on WW total both Bond movies will exceed Iron Man

Did I say you?

[Hunter Rider]

Did I say you?

You quoted me and then brought it up but ok you weren't talking to me:yay:

As for the rest of your stuff below i'll just let this go for now as it's so far off it's of little interest,im sure it will be of more interest come this time next year

[Advanced Dark]

^ k

[Walks Unseen]

^ Well known doesn't translate to a better box office. Bond isn't a franchise that all the kids flock too. You don't see kids buying Bond toys, Bond lunchboxes, wearing Bond apparell, sleeping in Bond sleeping bags, or jumping on a James bond Jumper outside. Marvel brand is very strong and they have so many methods of exposing a character it's mind blowing. So when Iron Man get's closer and the trailers come out it's going to excite a much larger population of the younger generation...and these are the people that go to see films 2 or 3 times if not more. How well known was Indiana Jones before he came out the first time? Han Solo? Fantastic Four were basically new to the people that drove the box office last year. FF never had any real exposure on a global level in the media like Batman, etc...Yet look at the big push on opening weekend almost 60 million. It's even more intriguing to people if a trailer for a movie looks awesome...and the character is new. I was at the SDCC this past Summer and if you were there to just see the line of people waiting to get Fav's signature, the excitment at the Marvel panel over Iron Man was huge, and Favreau is respected by pretty much...everyone. This is Marvel's 1st studio release, it's the first blockbuster of 2008 with an early May release date, and the cast is looking awesome so far. Sorry but your argument is lame to me. As I said a few posts above though I'm saying Iron Man will easily beat Bond in the domestic market, though it'll have a tougher time on the international side without a killer marketing campaign...which Marvel will have. :) Here in the US it'll be a cake walk though.

I'm not saying Iron Man will be a flop or anything. It will of course be big. But Casino Royale has down huge so far and people really love (including myself) the new direction Bond is going in. The reviews have been great and audiences really like it. This means that probably double as many people will flock to see the next film in 2008.

The same principle applied with Pirates of the C. The first film did big and everyone loved it. Then the sequel came out and made a billion because of all the positive reviews andd positive opinions of the first. The same will happen with Bond. I'm not saying Bond 22 will make a billion in box office but it will certainly do better than Casino Royale. Iron Man will only be on its first run so the box office may not be as good as Bond 22. Then again, if Iron Man has a killer marketing campaign (like Spider-Man) it may be bigger than Bond 22. Their is no way of knowing untill summer 08 comes about.

By the way, kids will not flock to this movie like they did with Fantastic Four because of it's higher rating. FF I believe was PG were Iron Man will be PG-13. Yes, Spidey had the same rating and it made boat loads of cash but Spider-Man is a more well known character.

[WeaponXProject]

^ Well known doesn't translate to a better box office. Bond isn't a franchise that all the kids flock too. You don't see kids buying Bond toys, Bond lunchboxes, wearing Bond apparell, sleeping in Bond sleeping bags, or jumping on a James bond Jumper outside. Marvel brand is very strong and they have so many methods of exposing a character it's mind blowing. So when Iron Man get's closer and the trailers come out it's going to excite a much larger population of the younger generation...and these are the people that go to see films 2 or 3 times if not more. How well known was Indiana Jones before he came out the first time? Han Solo? Fantastic Four were basically new to the people that drove the box office last year. FF never had any real exposure on a global level in the media like Batman, etc...Yet look at the big push on opening weekend almost 60 million. It's even more intriguing to people if a trailer for a movie looks awesome...and the character is new. I was at the SDCC this past Summer and if you were there to just see the line of people waiting to get Fav's signature, the excitment at the Marvel panel over Iron Man was huge, and Favreau is respected by pretty much...everyone. This is Marvel's 1st studio release, it's the first blockbuster of 2008 with an early May release date, and the cast is looking awesome so far. Sorry but your argument is lame to me. As I said a few posts above though I'm saying Iron Man will easily beat Bond in the domestic market, though it'll have a tougher time on the international side without a killer marketing campaign...which Marvel will have. :) Here in the US it'll be a cake walk though.

I agree. I have more faith in IronMan than another bad interpretation of Bond. I saw the Bond movie and it was a good movie but it did not feel like Bond. My friend who is a big Bond fan is tired of the redundancy of the character and new directions and all that and he agrees that Iron Man will do better than it is expected as of late.

[Cinemaman]

I'm not saying Iron Man will be a flop or anything. It will of course be big. But Casino Royale has down huge so far and people really love (including myself) the new direction Bond is going in. The reviews have been great and audiences really like it. This means that probably double as many people will flock to see the next film in 2008.

The same principle applied with Pirates of the C. The first film did big and everyone loved it. Then the sequel came out and made a billion because of all the positive reviews andd positive opinions of the first. The same will happen with Bond. I'm not saying Bond 22 will make a billion in box office but it will certainly do better than Casino Royale. Iron Man will only be on its first run so the box office may not be as good as Bond 22. Then again, if Iron Man has a killer marketing campaign (like Spider-Man) it may be bigger than Bond 22. Their is no way of knowing untill summer 08 comes about.

By the way, kids will not flock to this movie like they did with Fantastic Four because of it's higher rating. FF I believe was PG were Iron Man will be PG-13. Yes, Spidey had the same rating and it made boat loads of cash but Spider-Man is a more well known character.

Agreed.

I think IM will make just not bad opening and get good legs. But still, I can't see it smashing box office.

[kedrell]

By the way, kids will not flock to this movie like they did with Fantastic Four because of it's higher rating. FF I believe was PG were Iron Man will be PG-13. Yes, Spidey had the same rating and it made boat loads of cash but Spider-Man is a more well known character.

To correct the record, FF was PG-13. It had a higher camp/tongue-in-cheek value to it though than Iron Man will probably have. I believe Jon said he wanted the tone of the movie to fall somewhere betwwen BB and Spiderman.

[Advanced Dark]

Iron Man has huge potential and I see it having a very solid run in May. No way in hell Favreau and Marvel and Downey will screw this up. Remember it's the first blockbuster of the Summer and the first Superhero film of Summer of 08...and it's a fresh character for the big screen. If Favreau puts out what I believe he will it should top out around 200 million. You know it's gonna be a fun movie. As far as opening weekend...it's all gonna depend on how well Marvel markets the character in advance. The San Diego Comicon in 2007 is gonna be nuts. I'll be there to take all sorts of pics and it should be much much more revealing than last year. In any event there's no reason why Iron Man can't have a 80 million opening 3 days...but again the marketing and the trailer will really gauge how much the general moviegoers will be interested in this one. Ghost Rider's doing a great job at getting that interest and the opening weekend for that film is gonna shock a few people.

[Negative Creep]

I agree with your analasis, Advanced Dark.

[Advanced Dark]

Star Trek XI Director Confirmed
Source: Variety December 7, 2006


Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman said earlier this week that "Lost" and "Alias" creator, and Mission: Impossible III director J.J. Abrams is set to helm Star Trek XI, reports Variety.

Dauman noted that Paramount is targeting a 2008 or 2009 release date for the anticipated film. "We're revitalizing it in a new and interesting way," he said.

Abrams is teaming up with "Lost" creators-writers-producers Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk on the 11th installment. Burk, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci will executive produce.

Paramount won't put this close to Iron Man, and they won't screw with Marvel and put it next to The Hulk since they have such a close relationship so when should this be released if it hits in 08? Winter? Otherwise 2009 seems better. FF3 should be out in 2009/2010.

[WorthyStevens]

Iron Man has huge potential and I see it having a very solid run in May. No way in hell Favreau and Marvel and Downey will screw this up. Remember it's the first blockbuster of the Summer and the first Superhero film of Summer of 08...and it's a fresh character for the big screen. If Favreau puts out what I believe he will it should top out around 200 million. You know it's gonna be a fun movie. As far as opening weekend...it's all gonna depend on how well Marvel markets the character in advance. The San Diego Comicon in 2007 is gonna be nuts. I'll be there to take all sorts of pics and it should be much much more revealing than last year. In any event there's no reason why Iron Man can't have a 80 million opening 3 days...but again the marketing and the trailer will really gauge how much the general moviegoers will be interested in this one. Ghost Rider's doing a great job at getting that interest and the opening weekend for that film is gonna shock a few people.

$80 million over it's first 3 days? You might be reaching just a bit.

[Advanced Dark]

Not reaching at all. Mark that post. I said no reason why that franchise can't make 80 million in the first big Summer weekend. If Favreau makes the right film that # will be reached. I think GR will hit 60-65 million over Presidents day in Feb. Hell if Daredevil can make almost 50 over the same time with lower ticket prices in a massive East Coast blizzard GR can make that much more with it's higher production values and stronger content, actors, etc...Dont' forget my GR #'s are over 4 days not 3 and it'll have zero competition as far as big budget action films. Hulk is the most difficult to gauge. We know Hulk will have a huge opening weekend...we just need Leterrier and Marvel to deliever the goods to give it some legs. We all know Dark Knight will be on par or better than BB so 225-250 is reasonable but the opening weekend probably won't break any records.

[Cinemaman]

$80m opening? AD, you are box office master :rolleyes:

[WorthyStevens]

Not reaching at all. Mark that post. I said no reason why that franchise can't make 80 million in the first big Summer weekend.

Because not even Hulk reached $80 million it's first weekend out.

[kedrell]

Because not even Hulk reached $80 million it's first weekend out.

Well to be fair, Hulk should have reached 75-80M in it's opening weekend if it had been a better movie. It's 1st Friday-Saturday drop was staggering because of bad WOM. If it had been of Superman1/Spiderman2/Batman Begins quality I think it would have reached that. I'll be pleased as punch if IM gets a 60M OW.

[Walks Unseen]

Well to be fair, Hulk should have reached 75-80M in it's opening weekend if it had been a better movie. It's 1st Friday-Saturday drop was staggering because of bad WOM. If it had been of Superman1/Spiderman2/Batman Begins quality I think it would have reached that. I'll be pleased as punch if IM gets a 60M OW.

Hulk was a great movie. It is one of the best comic book films ever IMO and is very underrated.

As for Iron Man's box office, I think it will all come down to it's marketing campaign. If they release really kick ass trailers and awesome posters and the like, then it's box office potential will increase dramatically. 80 million in it's opening weekend? Maybe. I hope so. But the film is up against Bond 22, which will do huge because people (myself included) loved CASINO ROYALE and people will want to see the next one. Iron Man is on it's first legs here and he dosen't have the popularity of say Spider-Man or the X-Men. But he is a very well known character and very well loved by comic book fans (again myself included) and so the film could do very, very well.

[chiefchirpa]

Iron Man won't be a box office hit because of the treatment (or mistreatment to be exact) he got in the Civil War arc. By painting Stark as a villain, comic readers don't regard highly of the character and are not that enthusiastic in watching the movie.

Iron Man has to be redeemed with a convincing story and make a good animated series.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah I'm sure the general audience out there will avoid it because of the civil war series. LMFAO funniest post of the year. Too many people think that comicbook readers comprimise a significant # of the movie audience. LOL

[Advanced Dark]

Because not even Hulk reached $80 million it's first weekend out.

Hulk didn't open May 2nd did it? Ticket prices are also higher and there's not negative buzz on Iron Man whatsoever. None. 80 million is easily reached if marketed correctly. Easily. I remember all the naysayers thinking the SHH forum posters were a reflection of the outside world and that X3 would flop. LOL

[WorthyStevens]

Hulk didn't open May 2nd did it? Ticket prices are also higher and there's not negative buzz on Iron Man whatsoever. None. 80 million is easily reached if marketed correctly. Easily. I remember all the naysayers thinking the SHH forum posters were a reflection of the outside world and that X3 would flop. LOL

Just because it'll open the first weekend of May doesn't mean it'll do huge business those 3 days. Van Helsing also was a May opener, barely made just over $51 million, and that had Hugh Jackman starring in it.

And actually, I was one of the few who correctly predicted that X3 would make over $100 million it's first weekend out.

[chiefchirpa]

^ Yeah I'm sure the general audience out there will avoid it because of the civil war series. LMFAO funniest post of the year. Too many people think that comicbook readers comprimise a significant # of the movie audience. LOL

It's comprise, not "comprimise". :rolleyes:

Comic book readers may become a catalyst for other lay people to watch a superhero movie. If even the comic readers are not that eager to watch the movie, how can they motivate or spread the word on the movie for the mainstream?

[kedrell]

Hulk was a great movie. It is one of the best comic book films ever IMO and is very underrated.

That is seriously debatable, but for the sake of argument lets say if it had been more of a "crowd pleasing" movie.

[Advanced Dark]

It's comprise, not "comprimise". :rolleyes:

Comic book readers may become a catalyst for other lay people to watch a superhero movie. If even the comic readers are not that eager to watch the movie, how can they motivate or spread the word on the movie for the mainstream?

I realize that. It's called typing fast.

[Ironman24]

Iron Man won't be a box office hit because of the treatment (or mistreatment to be exact) he got in the Civil War arc. By painting Stark as a villain, comic readers don't regard highly of the character and are not that enthusiastic in watching the movie.

Iron Man has to be redeemed with a convincing story and make a good animated series.

I'm very tired of hearing how a story arc in 2006 will affect box office sales in 2008, I appreciate that curtain fans don't like Iron Man becuase of the way he's being written in a story arc, but to say this one story will affect a box office two years from now is very short sighted. And to say Iron Man isn't getting people enthusiatic, isn't paying attention, Iron Man received the biggest buzz at San Diego Comic-Con this year and it will be Marvels big film to push next year.
If you don't go see Iron Man for one story after all of the characters body of work over that last 40 years then you weren't going to see it anyway, the bulk of the movie goers will not be comic book readers, plus Iron Man has a large fan base, believe me Iron Man will do just fine at the box office in two years and to be honest, I'm not looking for a huge weekend anyway, to be honest I'd be happy with $50-60 Million opening weekend.

[Advanced Dark]

How comic book readers felt about Civil War will have absoloutely zero impact on the box office of the film Iron Man. That is so ridiculous to even think that. And while the surge of comic book fans might have a slight impact on the first days total...it's not significant enough to even measure except on films like Spiderman and X-Men where the fan base is so massive it crosses generations. Iron Man's success is gonna be based on how well made the film is, and how well recieved the marketing is. Nothing more. Same with Ghost Rider though the Hulk has enough awareness and a large enough fan base to ensure a huge opening weekend even with a film like the original that was not for everyone. Anything under 70 million for the first 3 days of Iron Man is due to poor marketing or a bad film neither of which I believe will happen.

[GreenKToo]

I like Iron man,but he is just not as well known as the other big heroes are.(thats not a knock,just the truth)I say 40 to 50 mill opening weekend..now if its good, I think W.O.M. may carry it on to do some pretty good over all numbers,maybe 150 to 160 mill dom.,but who knows yet,we shall see.

[Advanced Dark]

^ The release date will have alot to do with Iron Man's success. It should do about 80 IMO.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm guessing $60 million to $70 million. $75 million at most for openinig weekend.

Iron Man is a known character, his relevance outside of the comic book reading community is just nowhere near on par with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, the Hulk, or the X-Men. I bet that most people will know who Iron Man is, just not Tony Stark like everyone knows who Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, and Peter Parker are.

It all really depends on possible competition that opens on the same day and the comming weeks after. At the moment, Iron Man will have the #1 spot for two weeks until it is replaced by the Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian.

[Advanced Dark]

^ It's not how well known he is it's how well known they make this film. You can have a character that's well known and it has a weak opening weekend like Batman Begins, or you can have a relatively unknown franchise like FF that opens huge. It all depends on marketing. The film itself will give it the legs it deserves.

[hippie_hunter]

^ It's not how well known he is it's how well known they make this film. You can have a character that's well known and it has a weak opening weekend like Batman Begins, or you can have a relatively unknown franchise like FF that opens huge. It all depends on marketing. The film itself will give it the legs it deserves.

Batman Begins made about $73 million on it's opening period, that's not weak when you consider that the previous two movies in the franchise were crap and literally killed the franchise requireing the reboot. Expect The Dark Knight to open up a bit better.

Fantastic Four made about $56 million on it's opening period.

Batman Begins had a slight advantage due to the extra two days in it's opening period.

Also, like Iron Man, the Fantastic Four are not unknown. They just have nowhere near the prevalance as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men.

[Advanced Dark]

It's not weak for a regular movie but c'mon now...you remember before it opened that most people here including you thought it would make more. It made less than every single box off analyst predicted. In the end though it had legs and surely the sour taste from B & R caused that. Sure TDK will do better as will Rise of the Silver Surfer. No FF and IM are not unknown to us and others, but to the demographic that fuels comic book films it's an unknown. Iron Man and FF were never seen in Live action before on TV or in theatres, nor did they have massively successful comic book runs since the 90's like X-Men, Spidey, etc...They're famous and amongst the top franchise amongst the comic book community for sure though.

[Advanced Dark]

$80m opening? AD, you are box office master :rolleyes:

Watch...and learn. I said there's no reason why it can't with that release date and the talent involved. If the trailer comes out and it's not what I expect...then things could change. I highly doubt that. Everyone rolled their eyes at me too when I said X3 would make 85 million in 3 days and 100 in 4.

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Look, if FF made more OW than BB did, it doesn't mean the same will happen again.

BB proved that the new trilogy won't have anything close to previous movies, what means more money this time.

So I see TDK as a huge enough shark to beat IM in all aspects of earning money.

And what could we say about IM? Nothing.

It doesn't have fanbase and it's not a sequel of movie, which got good legs or WOM in it's times.

So I doubt IM will get to anything more than $60m.

[Advanced Dark]

Ok we've each made our statements now let's watch. Again TDK will make more over it's entire run while Iron Man will have a bigger Fri-Sun opening weekend.

[hippie_hunter]

Ok we've each made our statements now let's watch. Again TDK will make more over it's entire run while Iron Man will have a bigger Fri-Sun opening weekend.

I bet that The Dark Knight will have a $80 million - $100 million opening.

[Advanced Dark]

I hope so Hippie. I love the first film but we'll see. We have to add another film into the mix in 2008 if all goes well though it won't compete with the big boys.

Punisher 2 targeted to start filming in May 07 probably for a Spring 08 release I'd imaigne.

[Cinemaman]

My predictions for TDK and IM:

TDK
Opening Day: $26m
Opening Weekend: $68m
Domestic: $249m
Foreign:$192m
Worldwide: $441m

IM
Opening Day: $18m
Opening Weekend: $53m
Domestic: $177m
Foreign:$162m
Worldwide: $339m

[Advanced Dark]

^ I could live with that. Though I think Iron Man's opening day will be closer to 25-30 million if not more.

[FlawlessVictory]

Looks like it's official.


Lucas: Filming `Indiana Jones 4' in 2007

By ALICIA CHANG, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 54 minutes ago

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - George Lucas said Friday that filming of the long-awaited "Indiana Jones" movie will begin next year.

Harrison Ford, who appeared in the three earlier flicks, the last one coming in 1989, is set to star again.

Lucas said he and Steven Spielberg recently finalized the script for the film.

"It's going to be fantastic. It's going to be the best one yet," the 62-year-old filmmaker said during a break from preparing for his duties as grand marshal of Monday's Rose Parade.

Exact film locations have not been decided yet, but Lucas said part of the movie will be shot in Los Angeles.

The fourth chapter of the "Indiana Jones" saga, which will hit theaters in May 2008, has been in development for over a decade with several screenwriters taking a crack at the script, but it only recently gained momentum.

Lucas kept mum about the plot, but said that the latest action flick will be a "character piece" that will include "very interesting mysteries."

"I think it's going to be really cool," Lucas said.

At the inaugural Rome Film Festival in October, the 64-year-old Ford said he was excited to team up with Lucas and Spielberg again for the fourth "Indiana Jones" installment. Ford said he was "fit to continue" to play the title role despite his age.

Ford played Indiana Jones in 1981's "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 1984's "Temple of Doom" and 1989's "The Last Crusade."

Lucas praised Ford for breathing life into his character.

"Mostly it's the charm of Harrison that makes it work," he said.


link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061229/ap_en_ot/george_lucas_indiana_jones

[Hunter Rider]

Just about to stick that in here,looks like a big dog just stepped up,i could see some rearranging done now

[GL's Light]

Hm, will Advanced Dark now declare war on the Indiana Jones series? :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

Hm, will Advanced Dark now declare war on the Indiana Jones series? :cwink:

:D I don't think he can since he proclaimed it crusher of all in his thread about 2008 BO,just at the time it wasn't sitting right on top of Iron Man:cwink:

[Spider-Fan]

I hope Indiana Jones 4 doesn't take Iron Man's weekend. They would have to move Iron Man in that case. There is no way IM could compete with Indiana Jones 4.

[Hunter Rider]

I hope Indiana Jones 4 doesn't take Iron Man's weekend. They would have to move Iron Man in that case. There is no way IM could compete with Indiana Jones 4.

Looking at the line up i'd say it will go for the 9th which will cut Iron Man's legs off,strange move since Paramount is involved with both but i guess only Indy will give them maximum profit

May 2
- Iron Man (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=7415)

May 16
- The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=13009)

May 23
- Speed Racer (http://comingsoon.net/films.php?id=17308)

May TBA
- Indiana Jones 4 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=4665)

[Bapman]

I dont get it... what seems to be the problem !?
BOND has a specific group that'll go to see that... IRON-MAN has another group that'll go to see that.
AND Aren't they both owned by SONY !?... I mean who owns Iron-Man !? I dont know that. wait just checked... its PARAMOUNT...HMMM oh well.
So they are going head to head.
DIE HARD 4 and TRANSFORMERS are going to head to head as well.
It's not biggie.
I know I'll watch both... First TONY... then BOND.

P.S. - The NEW Bond movie was a VERY big hit.

[WorthyStevens]

I have a feeling Prince Caspian won't remain on the schedule for May 16th. Seems like such an odd date to release it, especially considering how well the first movie did during Christmas season last year.

[Hunter Rider]

I dont get it... what seems to be the problem !?
BOND has a specific group that'll go to see that... IRON-MAN has another group that'll go to see that.
AND Aren't they both owned by SONY !?... I mean who owns Iron-Man !? I dont know that. wait just checked... its PARAMOUNT...HMMM oh well.
So they are going head to head.
DIE HARD 4 and TRANSFORMERS are going to head to head as well.
It's not biggie.
I know I'll watch both... First TONY... then BOND.

P.S. - The NEW Bond movie was a VERY big hit.

I'm not trying to be a dick but you should have read the last few pages,Bond moved months ago,we are now talking about Indy 4 that has moved into May

[GL's Light]

Actually, Indy may not be a problem for Iron Man. The last two Indy films were both Memorial Day weekend releases. This one may very well follow suit.

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, Indy may not be a problem for Iron Man. The last two Indy films were both Memorial Day weekend releases. This one may very well follow suit.

What day is memorial day ?

[GL's Light]

What day is memorial day ?
The last Monday of May. If Indy IV is scheduled for Memorial Day Weekend 2008 it'll go up against Speed Racer (or it would force Speed Racer to move).

[Hunter Rider]

The last Monday of May. If Indy IV is scheduled for Memorial Day Weekend 2008 it'll go up against Speed Racer (or it would force Speed Racer to move).

I think it will just take that open weekend on May 9th rather than start a shoving war

[Bapman]

I'm not trying to be a dick but you should have read the last few pages,Bond moved months ago,we are now talking about Indy 4 that has moved into May

LOL... now don't I feel silly.
Fine then... replace my comments about JB with INDY.
Either way... unless they are both releasing on the same day... nothing to worry about... and even if they are... I seriously doubt tht Indy can take down Iron-man.

[GL's Light]

I think it will just take that open weekend on May 9th rather than start a shoving war
Perhaps, but Memorial Day weekend is much more valuable box office real estate than the second weekend of May. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Paramount did start a shoving war over it.

[Hunter Rider]

LOL... now don't I feel silly.
Fine then... replace my comments about JB with INDY.
Either way... unless they are both releasing on the same day... nothing to worry about... and even if they are... I seriously doubt tht Indy can take down Iron-man.

No problem,as a movie franchise though a little known character like Iron Man would get bulldozed by Indy

[Hunter Rider]

Perhaps, but Memorial Day weekend is much more valuable box office real estate than the second weekend of May. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Paramount did start a shoving war over it.

If they did do you think Speed Racer would just move to the 9th or stand it's ground and see if it could take the old dog ?

[GL's Light]

If they did do you think Speed Racer would just move to the 9th or stand it's ground and see if it could take the old dog ?
Coin toss on that one. Of course this is all dependent on Indy IV actually getting made this time. Indy has had almost as many delays and false starts in getting back on the big screen as Superman.

[Advanced Dark]

Indy's a Paramount film and they're not going to stomp on Iron Man which is distributed by Paramount. Won't happen. Indy will come in the 3rd or 4th week of May. Keep that in mind.

[Hunter Rider]

Coin toss on that one. Of course this is all dependent on Indy IV actually getting made this time. Indy has had almost as many delays and false starts in getting back on the big screen as Superman.

That's true but this seems the most definate ive seen on this film

[Hunter Rider]

Indy's a Paramount film and they're not going to stomp on Iron Man which is distributed by Paramount. Won't happen. Indy will come in the 3rd or 4th week of May. Keep that in mind.

Paramount don't stand to make anywhere near the money on IM as they do on Indy so they will put it where it's most effective which is one of the free weeks,either 9th or 30th

[GreenKToo]

I agree with hunter,the 9th or the 30th.my money is on the 9th.Lots of movies that month I wanna see.

[Cinemaman]

I bet Indy 4 will be release on May 30th. It's a great release date for summer blockbusters :up:

[ultimatefan]

May looks like a crowded month. IM will come as a dark horse going up against Bond and Indy.

[Hunter Rider]

May looks like a crowded month. IM will come as a dark horse going up against Bond and Indy.

Not you as well ultimate:oldrazz:Bond has long since moved:cwink: