Iron Man BO thread

[kakashi]

Narnia 2 and Indy 4 coming out in the same month will cause the weakening of IM's legs....without a doubt.

If those two films did not come out within the same month as IM....then i would say IM would have had much stronger legs. Regardless....IM was a good start to the summer movie season.

By the time those two movies comes out Iron Man will be well into the bulk of it's run.By then, it'll be time for the movie's run to slow down...hopefully a slow but steady climb to pass the 250 million mark.

So thanks for the buzzkill:oldrazz:

And i also wouldn't worry much about the movie not having a 'stronger leg'...since it's currently one of the best reviewed movie of the summer, not to mention one of the best reviewed superhero movie.

Of all the things to worry about this movie, word-of- mouth sure ain't gonna be one of them:cwink:

[Tony Stark]

Im not sure how this helps DC...they seem unable to do anything with their properties (other than Batman) and the public perception of the standard for superheroes is now firmly at marvel.

DC will always be hampered by the fact they are owned by Warner Brothers. Marvel is a bigger company, and now that they've had success on their own, they can pretty much direct the show. They can hire the directors they want to direct, they can hire the producers they want to produce.

Sure Warner did well with Nolan, but they also leveraged Brian Singer to direct one of the most boring Superman films to date, and they were the ones who gave us Schumaker.

Warner had success 30 years ago with the first Superman movie, 19 years ago with the first Batman movie and 3 years ago with another Batman movie. Not exactly a resounding track record.

[Heretic]

Well, I know that you didnt intend on saying that Marvel is a bigger company than Warner Brothers...

I think some of the problem may be in that DC has a rather shallow pool. After the big 3 who does DC have that has name recognition? Aquaman? Hawkman? They are both pretty much punchlines to the general public. No one is screaming for a Plastic Man movie...and the idea of Flash or Wonder Woman may sound great, but could be messed up quite easily. Green Lantern could be done right...if they had the foresight to do it justice...which they dont.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

$197.6 Million in 5 days?! Congrats to Marvel, and the whole crew & cast of the movie! I never doubted the movie would do well, but the success of this movie only makes the general public more interested in seeing more superhero movies- ESPECIALLY Marvel movies!

[Tony Stark]

Speed Racer is currently getting horrid reviews. We'll see how much effect this has on turnout this weekend. I'd think SR will end up no. 1, but if it doesn't how huge is that for Marvel?

[Theweepeople]

I think some of the problem may be in that DC has a rather shallow pool. After the big 3 who does DC have that has name recognition? Aquaman? Hawkman? They are both pretty much punchlines to the general public. No one is screaming for a Plastic Man movie...and the idea of Flash or Woman may sound great, but could be messed up quite easily. Green Lantern could be done right...if they had the foresight to do it justice...which they dont.

I believe the reason it's taking WB so long to make their DC comic book films is because they don't want to screw them up. Getting rid of their CEO(Lorenzo Dibonaventura) a few years back was a step in the right direction. He was the reason the Superman Lives project was in developmental hell for 9 years. The reason Batman 3,4, and Catwoman sucked. Also, the reason Constantine didn't turn out much better. I have hope the WB will start releasing more DC comic book movies soon.

You mentioned how cheesy Aquaman sounds but, the short lived tv series was considered to have some of the best ratings for a comic book tv show. I agree that Marvel has more cool characters than DC and will probably always be a little more popular but, DC has enough characters to hold it's own. The best way for WB to go from here is do Justice League. That film would set up solo films for multiple characters.

[RonStoppablefan]

Yah that will be pretty big for Marvel if Iron Man remains number 1. I could tell by the previews that Speedy wasn't going to do to well in the reviews. Maybe the kiddes will see it dispite what the reviewers say.

[Heretic]

I think its debateable whether or not Marvel has better characters...but what i dont think is up for discussion is that marvel has more characters that are ingrained into the general publics psyche.

Marvel's D List is more well known than DC B list...its a shame but its true.

[TheVileOne]

Iron Man will remain #1 because Speed Racer looks like trash.

Iron Man is a bigger icon than Speed Racer. Having a ****ty cartoon in the 60's with a catchy theme song doesn't make you a household name.

[Spider-Vader]

Speed Racer is currently getting horrid reviews. We'll see how much effect this has on turnout this weekend. I'd think SR will end up no. 1, but if it doesn't how huge is that for Marvel?
Wouldn't it be great if IM stayed #1 until Indy came out. But I think Narnia's going to crush everything at the theater that weekend.

[kakashi]

Iron Man will remain #1 because Speed Racer looks like trash.

Iron Man is a bigger icon than Speed Racer. Having a ****ty cartoon in the 60's with a catchy theme song doesn't make you a household name.

HAHAHA...so true...:oldrazz:

[TheVileOne]

Look how much we heard about Iron Man not being mainstream enough, B-lister, not a household name.

********.

Iron Man has always been up there for years. He's definitely higher tier than the likes of Ghost Rider, Daredevil, etc.

And his movie performed better than the so-called icons and household names. So obviously those factors are totally overrated.

[Numez]

A year ago, Iron Man and Batman fans got along. I mean, what happened?

[Heretic]

Iron man had a movie that rivaled Batmans...

and for the record, I'm a huge Batfan, and couldnt care less about the comic version of Iron Man.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think SpeedRacer looks great and I can't wait to see it. Great news for Iron Man.

[StylishHokie21]

Iron Man will remain #1 because Speed Racer looks like trash.

Iron Man is a bigger icon than Speed Racer. Having a ****ty cartoon in the 60's with a catchy theme song doesn't make you a household name.

Agreed.

[FlawlessVictory]

A year ago, Iron Man and Batman fans got along. I mean, what happened?

LOL, quoting the new TDK trailer? If so, nice one, if not, then nevermind. :grin:

[Theweepeople]

Iron Man will remain #1 because Speed Racer looks like trash.

Iron Man is a bigger icon than Speed Racer. Having a ****ty cartoon in the 60's with a catchy theme song doesn't make you a household name.

I'm not so sure about this. Little kids are going to want to see this. After seeing how much money a movie based off a crappy cartoon called Alvin and the Chipmunks can make I'm sure I've seen everything at this point. Besides my sister who teaches elementary and junior high school told me all of her students are excited for Speed Racer.

By the way, wasn't speed racer a 70s cartoon?

[SLYspyder]

In terms of Sony, if there are any new Spider-man movies, they aren't going to be as big as the first three if they don't get the original cast and crew back, which I don't think they will.

None of these comic book movies are huge hits because of the cast, they're huge hits because of the characters people love, and there are PLENTY of skilled actors out there that can do those characters justice.

So don't think for one second some kid is going to cry because Tobey Maguire isn't Spider-Man anymore.

[Cmill216]

So don't think for one second some kid is going to cry because Tobey Maguire isn't Spider-Man anymore.

I've already got my tissue ready.

[TheVileOne]

Speed Racer started in the 60's.

Alvin and The Chipmunks wasn't released over a crowded summer. And is less obscure material. Alvin and the Chipmunks was constantly on for years.

[YJ1]

$197.6 Million in 5 days?! Congrats to Marvel, and the whole crew & cast of the movie! I never doubted the movie would do well, but the success of this movie only makes the general public more interested in seeing more superhero movies- ESPECIALLY Marvel movies!

Now that the official numbers are in...

Congrats also to CanaryFan, Darth Elektra, Downhere, Gamma Ray, Grinder, He-Man, Kent, S.A.A.D, StanLee Wannabe, TheCompanyMan™, Tony Stark, Yellow Cyclone, []RI[]N242... they called it right!!!

I had said 80-90 long ago but I'm so glad I came up short. Bring on Iron Man 2!

[Theweepeople]

Speed Racer started in the 60's.

Alvin and The Chipmunks wasn't released over a crowded summer. And is less obscure material. Alvin and the Chipmunks was constantly on for years.

I'm still don't understand how a movie based off a cartoon with talking and singing chipmunks could make around 200million domestically. It's not like Alvin and the Chipmunks didn't have any competition last winter. It went up against National Treasure and held it's own.

[TheVileOne]

National Treasure drew a different audience.

I don't get how Alvin and The Chipmunks did so well either, besides little kids still being introduced to it in their youth and dragging their suffering parents to see it.

Speed Racer still looks like trash with terrible Wachowski bros. dialogue. "Cool beans" indeed Trixie. Beans that make you flatulant!

[bullets]

i think iron man will be at number one again this weekend because of the good buzz that is generating .

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^That would be nice, I think it's going to happen. I want SpeedRacer to do well too.

[Theweepeople]

Speed Racer still looks like trash with terrible Wachowski bros. dialogue. "Cool beans" indeed Trixie. Beans that make you flatulant!

That's really bad dialogue even though I see humour in flatulant jokes. What has happened to the Wachowski bros. The Matrix will always be one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time. I've disliked everything they produced after that.

[Raiden]

That's really bad dialogue even though I see humour in flatulant jokes. What has happened to the Wachowski bros. The Matrix will always be one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time. I've disliked everything they produced after that.

I love The Matrix, but after the first movie the series began to take a nose drive. And Matrix 3 is imo atrocious. I thought V for Vandetta was okay but SR doesn't look good; I expect IM to remain at the top this weekend.

[Figs]

So does anyone know the numbers from Monday/Monday night?

[Dark Knight]

By the time those two movies comes out Iron Man will be well into the bulk of it's run.By then, it'll be time for the movie's run to slow down...hopefully a slow but steady climb to pass the 250 million mark.

So thanks for the buzzkill:oldrazz:

And i also wouldn't worry much about the movie not having a 'stronger leg'...since it's currently one of the best reviewed movie of the summer, not to mention one of the best reviewed superhero movie.

Of all the things to worry about this movie, word-of- mouth sure ain't gonna be one of them:cwink:


Word of mouth can only carry a movie so far within the month IMO....especially since most folks will want to spend there money on seeing a NEW movie like looks cool (Speed Racer (mainly for kids) Narnia 2, and Indy 4 ....not one they already saw. Some will see IM twice...but most won't IMO.

[WorthyStevens]

Monday's #'s: $6,934,568 for a total of $109,053,236.

[Kanon]

Word of mouth can only carry a movie so far within the month IMO....especially since most folks will want to spend there money on seeing a NEW movie like looks cool (Speed Racer (mainly for kids) Narnia 2, and Indy 4 ....not one they already saw. Some will see IM twice...but most won't IMO.
Word of mouth has nothing to do with seeing a movie more than once... is about people that saw it telling others that havent seen it that they should...

[Raiden]

Word of mouth has nothing to do with seeing a movie more than once... is about people that saw it telling others that havent seen it that they should...

Yeah, just today I was in an elevator with 3 people, and a woman was telling her co-workers how excited she is for Narnia 2. And then the guy in the group told the other two women that he heard great things about Iron Man. He said he didn't know anything about it, but he thought that it seems the movie is good. That's good WOM.

[WorthyStevens]

I've been telling some co-workers today that Iron Man kicked ass, so there's somemore good WOM.

[S.A.A.D.]

So ladies and gentlemen,what do you all think Iron Man will have made world wide by the time it leaves all the theaters???
At most,I am STILL hoping it will have made around 400$ million world wide. I'm so sick of Spiderman movies making a bunch of money,it's time for Stark to fly his way to great success!!

[flickchick85]

I actually think $400 million worldwide is a pretty good estimate at this point.

[Downhere]

I actually think $400 million worldwide is a pretty good estimate at this point.

I think IM will make more than $400 million worldwide considering it's already made half of that in its opening weekend. Depending on the drops and all I think it could definitely hit $500 million and possibly 600 million worldwide if it holds well.

[GL's Light]

I think it'll get into the $400-450 million range for sure. Could go higher too, maybe even over $500 million, if the legs are strong enough.

[Raiden]

I think it'll get into the $400-450 million range for sure. Could go higher too, maybe even over $500 million, if the legs are strong enough.

400-450 mil would be amazing.

[S.A.A.D.]

Well I think if Iron Man basically makes close to 100$ million near the end of this week,then it's totally safe to say the movie will make around 400$ million world wide when it's left every theater it's in.

[echostation]

this has to at leas beat Superman Returns worldwide BO

[Weadazoid]

this has to at leas beat Superman Returns worldwide BO



I think thats a lock at this point. X3 dropped bad because of bad word of mouth, and critics that dumped all over it.


This will probubly finish in the 225 to 250 Million domestic range or better if it's legs are strong enough to stay afloat with Narnia and Indy.


It isn't as though one could say the BO was feueld by rabid fan boyism either...it didn't have huge Thursday numbers like Star wars and Spiderman, this seems a more legit big opening.

[Visionary]

I can't wait until they release the SMURFS movie.

[RonStoppablefan]

I think it'll get into the $400-450 million range for sure. Could go higher too, maybe even over $500 million, if the legs are strong enough.

That would be awesome if it made that much while it was in thetares. I agree with one of the users here its time for Tony Stark to get his time in the sun :yay:

[kakashi]

Word of mouth can only carry a movie so far within the month IMO....especially since most folks will want to spend there money on seeing a NEW movie like looks cool (Speed Racer (mainly for kids) Narnia 2, and Indy 4 ....not one they already saw. Some will see IM twice...but most won't IMO.


So..according to you WOM can only take a movie so far eh?

I guess WOM only effective when it comes to Batman movies...:oldrazz:

Speed racer looks like crap and it's getting horrible reviews.

As far as Indy and narnia...sure, those movies will definitely knock iron man off the top spot.But my guess is, it won't make Iron man dissapear from the top five.Like i said, by the time those two movies comes out, it's time from the iron man movie to slow down...and make those slow, steady climb past the 250 millions mark.

[dark_b]

after seeing the movie i am not even suprsied this movei made so much money.

was anyone here suprised? i mean it looks like a movie for summer and for the masses.

[Dark Knight]

So..according to you WOM can only take a movie so far eh?

I guess WOM only effective when it comes to Batman movies...:oldrazz:

Speed racer looks like crap and it's getting horrible reviews.

As far as Indy and narnia...sure, those movies will definitely knock iron man off the top spot.But my guess is, it won't make Iron man dissapear from the top five.Like i said, by the time those two movies comes out, it's time from the iron man movie to slow down...and make those slow, steady climb past the 250 millions mark.


Yes....the key to making more money for IM will be the rewatch value not word of mouth IMO.

Will people want to spend money on rewatching IM or spending there money on watching a NEW movie within the same month? Most of the people who wanted to watch IM have already seen it....and word of mouth will not cause it to make more money IMO. Especially since big time movies are coming out within two to three weeks of IM's release NARNIA 2 and INDY 4.

Some of you can be blind to the fact that a crap load of general movie audiences ARE going to see Narnia 2 and more so toward Indy 4 and as much as you think Indy 4 looks like crap.....IT IS INDIANA JONES! A classic character who brings great adventure and action to the screen which has been directed by someone named STEVEN SPIELBERG! So my money is that worse case it is just as good as IM....critically at least. Like I said before....IM would have had a chance to make more money IF Narnia 2 and Indy 4 were not released within the same month. Whether some of you want to believe that or not....doesn't matter to me either way.

[THOR]

2 boys I work with both went to see Iron man again today and have told me it is the best film they have ever seen! That's what drives a movie long term and gives it legs. They also want to see Narnia, Speed Racer, Batman Indy etc, but not Hulk. Until I told them Iron Man shows up in it! :)

World wide box office will be around $525M for Iron Man, $275M domestic and $250M overseas is my guess. They have already greenlit the sequel and have a release date for April 30th 2010. That's what a $100M opening gets you, Iron Man 2!!

[Raiden]

Yes....the key to making more money for IM will be the rewatch value not word of mouth IMO.

Will people want to spend money on rewatching IM or spending there money on watching a NEW movie within the same month? Most of the people who wanted to watch IM have already seen it....and word of mouth will not cause it to make more money IMO. Especially since big time movies are coming out within two to three weeks of IM's release NARNIA 2 and INDY 4.

Some of you can be blind to the fact that a crap load of general movie audiences ARE going to see Narnia 2 and more so toward Indy 4 and as much as you think Indy 4 looks like crap.....IT IS INDIANA JONES! A classic character who brings great adventure and action to the screen which has been directed by someone named STEVEN SPIELBERG! So my money is that worse case it is just as good as IM....critically at least. Like I said before....IM would have had a chance to make more money IF Narnia 2 and Indy 4 were not released within the same month. Whether some of you want to believe that or not....doesn't matter to me either way.

I have seen IM and I plan to see it again, so I'd say IM definitely has rewatch value. And you can never underestimate the power of WOM; it brings people in who otherwise wouldn't have considered seeing it in theatre, since we live in the age of HD TV and Blu-Ray which people have the ability to enjoy almost theatrical quality movies in the comfort of their homes.

[amazingfantasy15]

Yes....the key to making more money for IM will be the rewatch value not word of mouth IMO.

Will people want to spend money on rewatching IM or spending there money on watching a NEW movie within the same month? Most of the people who wanted to watch IM have already seen it....and word of mouth will not cause it to make more money IMO. Especially since big time movies are coming out within two to three weeks of IM's release NARNIA 2 and INDY 4.

Some of you can be blind to the fact that a crap load of general movie audiences ARE going to see Narnia 2 and more so toward Indy 4 and as much as you think Indy 4 looks like crap.....IT IS INDIANA JONES! A classic character who brings great adventure and action to the screen which has been directed by someone named STEVEN SPIELBERG! So my money is that worse case it is just as good as IM....critically at least. Like I said before....IM would have had a chance to make more money IF Narnia 2 and Indy 4 were not released within the same month. Whether some of you want to believe that or not....doesn't matter to me either way.

Well the first Spider-Man crossed the $400mil mark even though Star Wars came out in the same month.

[Cmill216]

Spider-Man made $45 million in its third weekend, the same weekend Attack Of The Clones was released. :insane:

[GL's Light]

Tuesday's box office: $6,505,784 for a total of $115,559,020 domestic so far.

[Visionary]

So what's it gonna look like on Friday with Iron Man and Speed Racer. What do you think they'll both gross on Friday and the weekend numbers?

[S.A.A.D.]

By this Friday,Iron Man will have made around 150$ million domestically IMO.

[Iceman]

Personally,i think this movie will either be a disaster..or average in theaters.I think the choice for Iron Man,the actor is wrong.:yay:

[Dark Knight]

Well the first Spider-Man crossed the $400mil mark even though Star Wars came out in the same month.


IM...is not even close to Spidey popularity wise....

[Theweepeople]

I thought this movie was rumoured to have a budget of 180million but, Boxofficemojo has it at 140million. Mojo is usually accurate with these numbers so IM should make up it's budget by friday. I don't know how Jon Favreau was able to make this film with that budget. Too bad there aren't more directors like him doing these films. I guess I'll have to add him to my list of good comic book directors:

Jon Favreau
Richard Donner
Brian Singer
Christopher Nolan
Stephen Norrington
Sam Raimi
Sam Mendes
Zack Snyder
Frank Miller

[FaT_tONle]

I expect IM to be number two even by Narnia... I mean SR might take a a light lead and stay ahead of IM the first week... hopefully it doesn't have legs and IM gets back to number two... hopefully number 3 at worst by Indy.

[kakashi]

^^ yeah, that's pretty much my guess as well.

[TheVileOne]

By this Friday,Iron Man will have made around 150$ million domestically IMO.
Well it will definitely have up to $125 million by Friday. Not sure if it can get as high as $25 million for its second Friday, but we shall see. It's already bucked the trends of crap like Fantastic Four. It's easily going to surpass the BO of X-men, Fantastic Four 1 and 2, probably X-men 2, and maybe X-men 3 as well.

For whatever it's worth, IGN rated Speed Racer 4.5/5 or 9/10.

[ultimatefan]

The site www.boxofficereport.com projects a second weekend drop of 53% for IM and an overall 174m by next sunday. Pretty reasonable for a movie that opened so high, and makes the movie likely to surpass X2 in the US box office.

[S.A.A.D.]

The site www.boxofficereport.com (http://www.boxofficereport.com) projects a second weekend drop of 53% for IM and an overall 174m by next sunday. Pretty reasonable for a movie that opened so high, and makes the movie likely to surpass X2 in the US box office.

^We will see,and hopefully they will be wrong if they are talking about May 18th(it's a Sunday).

[GL's Light]

FWIW, Box Office Guru is predicting Iron Man stays at #1 with about $49 million, and Speed Racer debuts at #2 with about $32 million.

[Raiden]

FWIW, Box Office Guru is predicting Iron Man stays at #1 with about $49 million, and Speed Racer debuts at #2 with about $32 million.

That would be fantastic if IM can keep its #1 spot for another week. In a summer crowded with blockbusters, maintaining top spot is quite an accomplishment.

[FlawlessVictory]

That would be fantastic if IM can keep its #1 spot for another week. In a summer crowded with blockbusters, maintaining top spot is quite an accomplishment.

IM will have zero problems retaining its #1 spot. Its a lock at this point. In fact, I would say IM has a good shot at doubling whatever Speed Racer makes. Article on how SR is tracking:


'Speed Racer' tracking unimpressively

'Iron Man' may repeat atop boxoffice next weekend

By Carl DiOrio
May 5, 2008, 08:25 PM



"Speed Racer" seems stuck in the slow lane.

The Wachowski siblings-directed film opens Friday in about 3,600 theaters, and it has been considered one of Warner Bros.' tentpole releases of the summer boxoffice season. But the PG-rated "Speed Racer" -- a big-screen adaptation of the Japanese cartoon of the '60s and '70s -- has been tracking unimpressively in prerelease surveys.

That suddenly means that if "Iron Man" should gross even half as much as in its first Friday-Sunday frame, the Paramount/Marvel comic book adaptation likely would repeat at No. 1 next weekend. Final figures released Monday put the weekend's "Iron Man" tally at $98.6 million, with the Robert Downey Jr. starrer toting a $102.1 million cume since bowing Thursday night.

So does "Speed Racer" have a shot at winning the frame?

"It's too early to tell," Warners domestic distribution president Dan Fellman said. "But this is the first real family movie of the summer, and we're going to give it our best."

At present, "Speed Racer" appears on track to gross $25 million-$35 million during the coming frame, though a late-breaking surge in must-see sentiment could produce a bigger bow. The film targets family moviegoers, a group notoriously tough to track before openings.

Boxoffice derbies aside, Warners execs suggest there's no need for "Speed Racer" to open huge.

Most of its splashy effects were done with relatively affordable green-screen technology. So the $100 million production will pencil into profitability roughly when its domestic gross hits a similar nine-digit sum, and even a $25 million bow could put it on track to deliver that.

"Iron Man" totes a negative cost of about $150 million, but its lock on a domestic run of more than $200 million means big profits already are assured for all involved. In fact, it's possible the film could write itself into the black by just its second weekend, as foreign coin also is pouring in and projections for ancillary revenue are sky high.

Marvel already has greenlighted an "Iron Man" sequel, set for April 30, 2010. The film's distributor plans to sustain heavy marketing of the pic while sustaining its megawide run of 4,105 playdates, but Paramount executives declined to discuss in any detail how high "Iron Man" will fly worldwide.

"It sure feels like 'Iron Man' is on track for a great run," Paramount vice chairman Rob Moore said Monday.

In the meantime, though the big "Iron Man" bow might have hurt Warners' shot at first-weekend bragging rights with "Speed Racer," it put smiles on the faces of Universal execs -- and for two reasons.

There's a growing sense that the "Iron Man" phenom might pique moviegoers' appetite for comic book adaptations, helping Universal succeed with its June 13 release of "The Incredible Hulk." Also, exit surveys show "Iron Man" patrons responded positively to the "Hulk" trailer shown with the Paramount film.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3id14e99b005fa29e4500cdeea3288185c?imw=Y

[DownAztlan]

Speed Racer certainly won't be getting a boost from the critics; it is currently sitting at 24% on Rotten Tomatoes... and a mighty 0.0% among "Top Critics".


Oooouuch.

[<borkis>]

IM...is not even close to Spidey popularity wise....

It's true... Iron Man HAD to be an awesome movie or people would have stayed away in droves. Spider-Man, while I thought it was a good movie, would have made a ton of money based on name brand alone.

[<borkis>]

Speed Racer certainly won't be getting a boost from the critics; it is currently sitting at 24% on Rotten Tomatoes... and a mighty 0.0% among "Top Critics".


Oooouuch.

Most of the reviews seem to say something along the lines of "having someone's LSD trip vomited into your eyes."

[CaptainStacy]

FWIW, Box Office Guru is predicting Iron Man stays at #1 with about $49 million, and Speed Racer debuts at #2 with about $32 million.

I hope so. Is Box Office Guru usually pretty accurate?

[Ironfan72]

I would be thrilled if Iron Man held on to the first place position after this weekend, i still think enough people liked what they saw last weekend to see it again, I know I'm seeing it again Sunday with friends, so hopefully I'm not alone.

[Kanon]

And hopefully, many people still haven't seen it 'cause the theaters were full last week, and will see it this weekend :woot:

[DownAztlan]

I would be thrilled if Iron Man held on to the first place position after this weekend, i still think enough people liked what they saw last weekend to see it again, I know I'm seeing it again Sunday with friends, so hopefully I'm not alone.

I think Iron Man is going to have a surprisingly strong second weekend.
Not a single person in my office had any idea who or what Iron Man was a few weeks ago, but EVERYONE is saying they're planning on seeing it this weekend- based on word of mouth and great reviews alone.

Actually, the odd thing is that even with that massive marketing campaign, I never heard anyone mention it at work until this past Monday, after WOM broke, along with all the news about its huge opening weekend.

Seriously- I'm betting $60mil this weekend.

[GL's Light]

I hope so. Is Box Office Guru usually pretty accurate?
As accurate as anyone, given how tricky box office forecasting is. Even the professionals get it seriously wrong sometimes. He predicted $83 million for Iron Man's opening, which was about 15% low, and was about spot-on with his prediction for Made of Honor.

[TNC9852002]

I think Speed Racer is going to take a hard hit with families and kids. I mean, the movie is 134 minutes long.

-TNC

[Kanon]

It's freaking long... I want to check it out today, but with that runtime, I have my doubts...

[SLYspyder]

Speed Racer is going to flop. Iron Man will be #1 until Narnia comes out.

[S.A.A.D.]

An Iron Man box office update:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $121,306,364 55.0%+ Foreign: $99,055,472 45.0%= Worldwide: $220,361,836

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm

[GL's Light]

Wednesday's gross: $5,747,344.

[flickchick85]

So I guess they don't update the foreign numbers daily like they do domestic, since I'm pretty sure that foreign number hasn't changed since the weekend.

[Kanon]

So I guess they don't update the foreign numbers daily like they do domestic, since I'm pretty sure that foreign number hasn't changed since the weekend.
Yes, foreign bo takes a while...

[S.A.A.D.]

So I guess they don't update the foreign numbers daily like they do domestic, since I'm pretty sure that foreign number hasn't changed since the weekend.

The foreign numbers won't be updated until Sunday or Monday it seems. This past Sunday,that was when the foreign numbers popped up. Usually based on the past with me looking at boxofficemojo,they normally post the foreign numbers every Monday. But for some reason it's a different story still.

[GL's Light]

So I guess they don't update the foreign numbers daily like they do domestic, since I'm pretty sure that foreign number hasn't changed since the weekend.
Foreign box office is usually updated once a week.

[flickchick85]

Thanks guys, that's what I figured. :up:

[CaptainStacy]

An Iron Man box office update:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $121,306,364 55.0%+ Foreign: $99,055,472 45.0%= Worldwide: $220,361,836

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm

Well, it's pretty much made it's production and advertising budget back, worldwide....everything from here on out is gravy. :word: :stark

[kedrell]

^Did they ever nail down just how much that was?

[The Caped Knight]

Well, it's pretty much made it's production and advertising budget back, worldwide....everything from here on out is gravy. :word: :stark

you telling me

Check this news out

Favreau Gets A New Car For Iron Man Success
posted by Jay Cocrock in Movies (http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190) at 10:55 PM on 2008.05.07

Source: WENN

Paramount Pictures bosses have bought actor/director JON FAVREAU a new top-of-the-line Mercedes as a thank you for his work on IRON MAN (http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190&itemid=13227#), which became the biggest box opener of 2008 around the world on Sunday (04May08). The Swingers star picked up his new surprise ride as he left Hollywood hotspot Mr Chow after dining with Iron Man star Robert Downey Jr (http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190&itemid=13227#). on Tuesday night (06May08).

http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190&itemid=13227

[TheVileOne]

Does Mercedes make hybrid cars?

[FaT_tONle]

I wonder if Downey got the keep that car he was driving in the movie as well?

[TheVileOne]

Sometimes movies will get higher BO than their tracking. FF opened higher than its tracking, and there was a large amount of negative buzz about it right before it was released.

I think it really matters not though because the important thing is that Iron Man is safely on its way to $250 million or more US, and even more worldwide.

It's already surpassed its biggest expectations and challenges.

Speed Racer is a pathetic challenge in comparison. Awful looking movie. Movie length matters not. People need to start paying attention to the fact that a lot of these kids and families movies that are making a ton of money are NOT THAT SHORT.

[X Knight]

my local paper just gave Speed Racer 1 and 1/2 stars.

they gave IM 3 stars.

here's hoping that IM will squash Speed Racer this weekend. my....aren't we cruel.....lol.

[TheVileOne]

IGN did give Speed Racer a very high, favorable review.

However:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/speed_racer/

Don't want to get sidetracked too much, because this is an Iron Man thread.

But if Iron Man were to drop less than 55% in its second weekend, that would would be great for this type of movie. Besides that Speed Racer does not have the level of buzz or word of mouth that Iron Man currently does.

I mean I don't get this idea that Speed Racer is more of a household name or more recognizable than Iron Man. While that may be certainly arguable, that doesn't mean that Speed Racer looks more attractive as a live action movie.

Speed Racer might turn out to be one of those misunderstood masterpieces, or just one of those really weird looking movies that most audiences really just didn't really want to see or get into at all.

[YJ1]

It's freaking long... I want to check it out today, but with that runtime, I have my doubts...

Any fans that feel the need to check out the crapitude known as Speed Racer had better do it on Iron Man's ticket or they're not really a fan. Buy a ticket to Iron Man and simply sneak in to where SR is playing if you are that curious about just how bad SR turned out.

[THOR]

Based on the Saturady surge that Iron MAn had on the opening weekend I am predicting a 48% drop from last weekends huge numbers and a weekend total of $47M. Speed Racer will probably make $40M and come in the number 2 spot......

[RonStoppablefan]

I don't know Speed Racer is getting horrible reviews guy's. I'm glad Iron Man is stll pulling in big money.

[TheVileOne]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

Iron Man now at $126 million before Friday. Great news. That's about $28 million from Monday - Friday. By next weekend it will break $200 million.

[kedrell]

It'll probably break 200M on next friday itself. So it's at 126M, it could do around 50M or so this weekend bringin it up to around 175M then about 15M or so next M-Th giving it around 190M at the start of next friday and it should be able to make about 10M that day. 200M in 15 days.

[YJ1]

I don't know Speed Racer is getting horrible reviews guy's. I'm glad Iron Man is stll pulling in big money.

It was a complete blow out at my local cinema on Friday night. It's a HUGE threatre and it's usually a good indicator. Iron Man was packing them in. Speed Racer's crowd was very, very thin. I didn't expect that big of a disparity. It was a great sign for a complete weekend victory.

[Tony Stark]

I took my son to see Speed Racer tonight, and if my theater is any indication, Iron Man will have a good shot at maintaining the no. 1 spot. I went to a 7:15 show and it wasn't even halfway filled.

I kind of have a soft spot for Speed Racer, because I loved that cartoon when I was a kid. I will say this of that movie, the first 45 minutes is pure crap, and some of the worst editing I've ever seen. After the movie settles in the last hour or so is pretty decent and a good tribute to the cartoon. I'd say the bad reviews it's received are pretty spot on, considering how poor the movie starts out. There are some serious WTF moments in the first half of the movie, like Spritle and Chim-Chim watching some weird ass Japanime cartoon.

Anyway didnt' mean to give a full blown Speed Racer review, only to point out that I don't think it's going to be much competition, considering how good Iron Man is, and the positive reviews.

[The Caped Knight]

I Speed Racer last night it was average at best . I see Iron Man still maintaing it top spot for sure this weekend .

[CaptainStacy]

I dont think Speed Racer would be a big draw for the Friday night crowd...i expect it will do better Saturday, as many kids will probably want to check it out...

Regardless; i hope Iron Man is #1 one more weekend. That would totally kick ass.

[BizarroAids]

I dont think Speed Racer would be a big draw for the Friday night crowd...i expect it will do better Saturday, as many kids will probably want to check it out...

Regardless; i hope Iron Man is #1 one more weekend. That would totally kick ass.


Here's hoping for a 2nd week at number 1!!

I don't know if this will matter much. But my younger sister went and saw the movie and she said that the theater wasn't that packed and that the movie was utter crap!! She would have went to see Iron-Man again. But it was sold out!!:cwink:

[dark_b]

are you saying that IM will in less then one month come to 200 milions while SR's whole domestic was 200?

[CaptainStacy]

Looks like Friday night is a lock for the Golden Avenger! :word:


http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/speed-racer-crashes-burns-to-become-first-summer-bomb-iron-man-still-strong-no-1/

[YJ1]

I did duck in to watch most of Speed Racer. It really is as bad as it looks.

It was a complete blow out at my local cinema on Friday night. It's a HUGE threatre and it's usually a good indicator. Iron Man was packing them in. Speed Racer's crowd was very, very thin. I didn't expect that big of a disparity. It was a great sign for a complete weekend victory.

Good indicator indeed...

>EARLY FRIDAY & 3-DAY ESTIMATES: 'Iron Man' w/$14.75M Fri & $49M 3-day; 'Speed Racer' struggles to $6.5M Fri & headed for a possible $23M<

[Asgard]

IM is not going to have any trouble with SR.

According to Fantasy Moguls (http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/advice_and_analysis/index.html), SR is estimated to have made $6.5 million on Friday. Estimated 3-day opening is at $23 million.

[TLH]

Nice to see. Speed Racer looks like a lame movie. Iron Man owns all.

[dsfjr1190]

Glad to see Iron Man on top.

[TLH]

It's looking like it will run close to $50 million for the second weekend, which would rank 12th all-time (tied with 2 other films).

[Tony Stark]

It's looking like it will run close to $50 million for the second weekend, which would rank 12th all-time (tied with 2 other films).

In this economy a 50% drop is normal. We saw it often last summer, and with the competition this summer it's not out of the ordinary. Especially when a film has a huge opening like Iron Man.

People compare these things like it's static, but for a film like Iron Man to do this well, when we have 120+ dollar per barrel oil, that's unprecidented. Really you'd have to go back to the 70's with Star Wars to find that kind of success in such a sluggish economy.

[DownAztlan]

In this economy a 50% drop is normal. We saw it often last summer, and with the competition this summer it's not out of the ordinary. Especially when a film has a huge opening like Iron Man.

People compare these things like it's static, but for a film like Iron Man to do this well, when we have 120+ dollar per barrel oil, that's unprecidented. Really you'd have to go back to the 70's with Star Wars to find that kind of success in such a sluggish economy.

a 50% drop during the Summer is normal no matter what the economy is doing, really.

Some PG-13 rated, decently reviewed comparisons-
X-Men dropped 57% its second weekend,
Transformers dropped 48%,
Superman Returns dropped 58%,
Batman Begins dropped 44%
Men in Black II dropped 54%
and Spider-Man 2 dropped 48%.

Summer blockbuster Box Office is always weighted super heavy on opening weekend, in part because there is always another tentpole release the next week.

If Iron Man drops 50% or less after opening around 100mil, its doing fantastic.

[bullets]

i think iron man will most likey beat speed racer even with it's 50 percent dropoff (which isnt a bad thing ) . the economy is sour but i dont think the movies will take that big a hit . people will want to go to take their minds off things .

[Raiden]

i think iron man will most likey beat speed racer even with it's 50 percent dropoff (which isnt a bad thing ) . the economy is sour but i dont think the movies will take that big a hit . people will want to go to take their minds off things .

Yeah, and IM has right mix of humor and action to make people forget about the economy in those 2 hours of running time. I think IM is the perfect summer movie for the current economic climate.

[Tony Stark]

i think iron man will most likey beat speed racer even with it's 50 percent dropoff (which isnt a bad thing ) . the economy is sour but i dont think the movies will take that big a hit . people will want to go to take their minds off things .

Speed Racer might not even be in 2nd place by Monday. It's gotta have a huge day today, but likely "What stays in Vegas" will be the no. 2 movie of the week.

[Super Kal]

Domestic: $141,934,000 :up:

[TLH]

Actuals are in for Friday:

Iron Man didn't make $14.8 million, it made $15.3 :D

Speed Racer didn't make $6.5 either...it made $5.8, and actually finished third. What Happens in Vegas pulled in second with $6.7 million. :hehe:

Take that Speed Racer. Iron Man = win.

[FaT_tONle]

With those pathetic numbers... its safe to say SR will be an outright flop... hopefully IM does the most damage this Saturday... 15, 18, 13... just over 45 million total. Should be at 175 hopefully by Monday.

[ultimatefan]

According to Box Office Mojo, IM dropped about 56% in its second friday, not bad, friday´s always the worst day of the second weekend, it should drop below 55%, pretty reasonable for a movie that opened so high, it has a shot at beating X3 by the end of its domestic run and be only below the Spidey movies in terms of new mlllennium superhero movies.

SR is a flop... There he goes, there goes Speed Racer...:woot:

[Knightsaber Priss]

Actuals are in for Friday:

Iron Man didn't make $14.8 million, it made $15.3 :D

Speed Racer didn't make $6.5 either...it made $5.8, and actually finished third. What Happens in Vegas pulled in second with $6.7 million. :hehe:

Take that Speed Racer. Iron Man = win.

I saw Speed Racer with my niece and nephew. It wasn't that bad at all. The races were probably the best thing about it, that and I loved Racer X. I don't know why here's so much emnity for this movie at all. :huh: Trust me, I've seen much worse movies than Speed Racer. *cough* Bayformers *cough* At least I didn't have to watch Speed Racer in 2 parts unlike that movie which I shall not name. Ratatouile got twice the Box Office intake from me that weekend.

[THOR]

I also saw Speed Racer yesterday and the theater was packed? Surprised to see it is doing so poorly, as I thought there would be a built in audience for the film? I actually thought the movie was nearly unwatchable in places, and pretty good in others. Very patchy and not a cohesive film at all. The driving effects were horrible and did not capture the racing spirit of the old tv show. It was more about dodgem cars than actually racing. Matthew Fox was the highlight of the film and if the movie was his story as Racer X (way cooler in the tv show as well then Speed) then the film would have been much better. Emile Hirsch did not do his career any favors playing Bland Racer either.....

[TheVileOne]

I knew it. Many of us predicted it. Iron Man DESTROYED Speed Racer. Iron Man is the Spider-man of this year. Bring on Narnia. Bring on Indiana Jones. None of them can touch Iron Man!!!

I think the important thing is, that Iron Man remained #1 in the face of such big competition in its second weekend.

So much for Speed Racer being a "household name" and more mainstream than IRON MAN. Also getting the monopoly on the "families" for the weekend. Sorry, but IRON MAN was the family movie for the month of May.

This is bad news for WB, or at least the employees of WB. They've been laying people off like nobody's business and shutting down their divisions for the last month. This was supposed to be one their bigger blockbuster for the summer.

I think WB should've known from the first trailer that they were in trouble. They really need Dark Knight to salvage the summer for them now.

[Tony Stark]

I saw Speed Racer with my niece and nephew. It wasn't that bad at all. The races were probably the best thing about it, that and I loved Racer X. I don't know why here's so much emnity for this movie at all. :huh: Trust me, I've seen much worse movies than Speed Racer. *cough* Bayformers *cough* At least I didn't have to watch Speed Racer in 2 parts unlike that movie which I shall not name. Ratatouile got twice the Box Office intake from me that weekend.

Like I said before, the 2nd half of the movie is great. The first half of the movie has some of the worst editing I've ever seen.

Cardinal sin no. 1 of movie editing, showing a flashback then flashing foward within the flashback, then flashing back to the flash back then flashing forward while flashing back to flash foward while flashing back.

[FaT_tONle]

I knew it. Many of us predicted it. Iron Man DESTROYED Speed Racer. Iron Man is the Spider-man of this year. Bring on Narnia. Bring on Indiana Jones. None of them can touch Iron Man!!!

I think the important thing is, that Iron Man remained #1 in the face of such big competition in its second weekend.

So much for Speed Racer being a "household name" and more mainstream than IRON MAN. Also getting the monopoly on the "families" for the weekend. Sorry, but IRON MAN was the family movie for the month of May.

This is bad news for WB, or at least the employees of WB. They've been laying people off like nobody's business and shutting down their divisions for the last month. This was supposed to be one their bigger blockbuster for the summer.

I think WB should've known from the first trailer that they were in trouble. They really need Dark Knight to salvage the summer for them now.

SR isn't big competition... but Narnia and Indy will prevent this movie from hitting the 300 mark. IM may not even hit 250... which most movies generally do after a 100+ opening. The new formula is to make 70% of the money back opening weekend. While IM acheived that... I doubt its going to have legs to keep up with those other two films. X3 should still edge this though IM still has the potential to be the number 2 Marvel franchise depending on whether they make a third installment (I count Avengers separately as its own franchise).

[cosmicherosa]

I appreciate the fact that the Wachowski's tried new shooting techniques, but it is a total mess to look at. I could partially stoach it if it was only 1.5 hours long. MY eyes were burnt out after two hours of it. I was contemplating switching over to see Iron Man again.

Not that bad of a movie, just the way it is being shown. Shame.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Like I said before, the 2nd half of the movie is great. The first half of the movie has some of the worst editing I've ever seen.

Cardinal sin no. 1 of movie editing, showing a flashback then flashing foward within the flashback, then flashing back to the flash back then flashing forward while flashing back to flash forward while flashing back.

I do have to admit, it was pretty confusing the way they edited the flashbacks or the scenes where Royalton was describing what he believed would happen should Speed refuse his offer. All in all the best parts really were the races. They were actually cool. Plus I did like the use of colors in the film. It was eye candy of course. But I don't think it's as horrible as people make it out to be. It's not the best but it is flawed. The Wachowskis took a gamble by trying to be creative so I can't fault them for that. So many movies just fall back on the standard, Hollywood approach of muted drab scenery and explosions to cover up a thin plot. I can say that at least Speed Racer knew it's anime pedigree pretty well.

[Tony Stark]

I do have to admit, it was pretty confusing the way they edited the flashbacks or the scenes where Royalton was describing what he believed would happen should Speed refuse his offer. All in all the best parts really were the races. They were actually cool. Plus I did like the use of colors in the film. It was eye candy of course. But I don't think it's as horrible as people make it out to be. It's not the best but it is flawed. The Wachowskis took a gamble by trying to be creative so I can't fault them for that. So many movies just fall back on the standard, Hollywood approach of muted drab scenery and explosions to cover up a thin plot. I can say that at least Speed Racer knew it's anime pedigree pretty well.

I agree, and I will go one further, some of the performances in the film are perfect. Mathew Fox was brilliant, and I think overall it was a great tribute to the cartoon. It's just a shame that it was so sloppily put together.

[TheVileOne]

SR isn't big competition... but Narnia and Indy will prevent this movie from hitting the 300 mark. IM may not even hit 250... which most movies generally do after a 100+ opening. The new formula is to make 70% of the money back opening weekend. While IM acheived that... I doubt its going to have legs to keep up with those other two films. X3 should still edge this though IM still has the potential to be the number 2 Marvel franchise depending on whether they make a third installment (I count Avengers separately as its own franchise).

Daily grosses will put it past X-men 3. By the time Narnia comes out it will be pretty close to $200 million. After two more weekends it will indeed surpass X-men 3's domestic take. And it will definitely surpass X-men 3's worldwide take as well.

[Tony Stark]

are you saying that IM will in less then one month come to 200 milions while SR's whole domestic was 200?

dude the only question at this point is does IM have enough steam to make it to 300 mil. It's going to leave SR in the dust.

Sorry to dissapoint you, I know how you feel after last years Silver Surfer disaster.

[Knightsaber Priss]

I agree, and I will go one further, some of the performances in the film are perfect. Mathew Fox was brilliant, and I think overall it was a great tribute to the cartoon. It's just a shame that it was so sloppily put together.

Oh yes, I think the Racer X subplot of taking down corrupt CEO's like Royalton was a very interesting idea. Of course Racer X just oozed with cool anyway. Again, he's a flawed character, like Tony Stark so I'd guess that would make him more of a standout character. From what I gathered through dialogue, it seems as though this movie is like a continuation in live action of the cartoon series.

[Figs]

So from what I've been seeing...Iron Man stayed at #1?

Anyone have a link to an official tracking site?

[TheVileOne]

Just go to boxofficemojo.com which has daily box office results.

[Rac]

Sorry, but IRON MAN was the family movie for the month of May.
Though it's not a family movie at all. :woot:

[ultimatefan]

SR isn't big competition... but Narnia and Indy will prevent this movie from hitting the 300 mark. IM may not even hit 250... which most movies generally do after a 100+ opening. The new formula is to make 70% of the money back opening weekend. While IM acheived that... I doubt its going to have legs to keep up with those other two films. X3 should still edge this though IM still has the potential to be the number 2 Marvel franchise depending on whether they make a third installment (I count Avengers separately as its own franchise).

Even making near 250 m is a damn excellent result. Marvel and Paramount will be doing cartwheels already with 220m-230m.

According to http://www.boxofficereport.com/wbon/daily.shtml, IM should make around 51m this weekend and drop 50%. Actually, if the tally is right, it should be a little less than 50%, cuz of course 51 is more than half of 98.

[ultimatefan]

Oh yes, I think the Racer X subplot of taking down corrupt CEO's like Royalton was a very interesting idea. Of course Racer X just oozed with cool anyway. Again, he's a flawed character, like Tony Stark so I'd guess that would make him more of a standout character. From what I gathered through dialogue, it seems as though this movie is like a continuation in live action of the cartoon series.

Which is part of the problem, I guess. The movie was aimed at kids, but it´s a cartoon from the late sixties only nostalgic adults in their thirties or forties remember.

[Spider-Vader]

Go Iron Man! I think it could make 250 & above. I think it'll be #2 or if TDK has some legs #3.

[TheVileOne]

What's #1 then?

[FaT_tONle]

Indy is making me skeptical with this latest trailer... its so out of touch with the modern franchises like Mummy and Tomb Raider and such back in the day. It's going to be big regardless... I am just having a hard time thinking we are going to see a 300 million dollar film this year.

[TLH]

the only question at this point is does IM have enough steam to make it to 300 mil. It's going to leave SR in the dust.

No doubt.

I doubt Iron Man can hit $300 million, even with strong legs, but $250 million is looking very likely at this point.

[<borkis>]

Indy is making me skeptical with this latest trailer... its so out of touch with the modern franchises like Mummy and Tomb Raider and such back in the day. It's going to be big regardless... I am just having a hard time thinking we are going to see a 300 million dollar film this year.

This is parody, correct? The internet has robbed me of my ability to tell the difference anymore.

[TheVileOne]

That's still pretty gread considering some of us were wondering if it could break $200 million at all.

[Catman]

I knew it. Many of us predicted it. Iron Man DESTROYED Speed Racer. Iron Man is the Spider-man of this year. Bring on Narnia. Bring on Indiana Jones. None of them can touch Iron Man!!!

um...no. Iron Man is not the Spider-Man of this year. And I expect Narnia and Indy IV to be the winners of their weekend. Regardless, Iron Man is a big hit.

[TLH]

um...no. Iron Man is not the Spider-Man of this year. And I expect Narnia and Indy IV to be the winners of their weekend. Regardless, Iron Man is a big hit.

Depends what he meant by "Spider-Man of this year". He might have meant most successful comic book film (although I think that award will go to TDK), or he might have meant most successful marvel film this year (which is likely.

[StylishHokie21]

I knew it. Many of us predicted it. Iron Man DESTROYED Speed Racer. Iron Man is the Spider-man of this year. Bring on Narnia. Bring on Indiana Jones. None of them can touch Iron Man!!!

I think the important thing is, that Iron Man remained #1 in the face of such big competition in its second weekend.

So much for Speed Racer being a "household name" and more mainstream than IRON MAN. Also getting the monopoly on the "families" for the weekend. Sorry, but IRON MAN was the family movie for the month of May.

This is bad news for WB, or at least the employees of WB. They've been laying people off like nobody's business and shutting down their divisions for the last month. This was supposed to be one their bigger blockbuster for the summer.

I think WB should've known from the first trailer that they were in trouble. They really need Dark Knight to salvage the summer for them now.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure TDK is a winner. If not, then it won't look good for WB. After Superman Returns failed to meet expectations, it looks like Speed Racer failed to deliver as well.

[TheVileOne]

Nothing fits the Spider-man bill more than Iron Man. That's the fact.

Indy and Narnia are both sequels.

[TheVileOne]

Indiana Jones will be the Attack of The Clones or Phantom Menace of this summer.

Bwahahaha.

[StylishHokie21]

"The Spider-Man of the year." This is a big comeback for Marvel after disasters like Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four 2. I assume that's what Vile meant.

[JP]

Indiana Jones will be the Attack of The Clones or Phantom Menace of this summer.

Bwahahaha.

:hehe:

Eh, I'm glad Iron Man CRUSHED the competition this week. Narnia is next week right? Well then Iron Man will be number 2.

[I Am The Knight]

Indiana Jones will be the Attack of The Clones or Phantom Menace of this summer.

Bwahahaha.

You mean a very succesful film? I agree.

[TheVileOne]

Same weekend as Spider-man. First time live action movie for a mainstay, milestone Marvel comic book superhero. Big Hollywood summer blockbuster. Big expectations. Comes out in a month of big competition including a sequel to a bigger, much loved cinematic franchise released around memorial day.

It has nothing to do with Ghost Rider and FF2 really. Spider-man in 2002 was riding the wave started by X-men in 2000.

[TheVileOne]

:hehe:

Eh, I'm glad Iron Man CRUSHED the competition this week. Narnia is next week right? Well then Iron Man will be number 2.

A month ago how many people here believed Iron Man would beat Speed Racer in its second weekend when many people thought Speed Racer was going to give Iron Man a lot of trouble.

I rasberry Speed Racer. Iron Man drinks Speed Racer's milkshake.

[Upset Spideyfan]

It'd be nice if somebody could manip Iron Man firing his missile at the tank so that he was blowing the Mach 5 up instead. ;)

[TheVileOne]

That would definitely be a gif for the ages. Get to it photoshoppers.

[FaT_tONle]

This is parody, correct? The internet has robbed me of my ability to tell the difference anymore.

I am not saying Indy is on the level of movies like the Mummy... I am just saying those are the types of movies the public has been used too right now when we talk about historical artifacts and such (ala National Treasure for another example). Ford hasn't had a hit in years. The guy is going to get a pass no matter what but he can't hide that grey hair, and the wear and tear is going to show. Its going to come off as lame to the younger audience. I have a hard time believing Indy has gradually built up an audience after all these years. The movies were fairly recent (1989 plus unsuccessful TV shows) but if you talk to kids in high school or younger right now... most will tell you they haven't seen all the Indy films. WIth competition like Zohan, Hulk and what not... its going to have a tough time getting to the 300 mark IMO.

[SLYspyder]

I called it. IM destroys SR.

Amazing IM is now the #2 Marvel franchise. Something Singer could've easily accomplished with the X-Men had he been true to the comics, especially in the costume department. Also something Ang Lee could've accomplished with the Hulk had he just given everyone the action based movie they wanted.

[S.A.A.D.]

Iron man's box office update:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $141,934,000 58.9%+ Foreign: $99,055,472 41.1%= Worldwide: $240,989,472

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm

Iron Man destroyed Speed Racer yesterday it seems at the box office,Speed Racer made apparently 5$ while Iron Man made 15$ million.

Speed Racer at the box office:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $5,850,000 100.0%
+ Foreign: n/a 0.0%

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

= Worldwide: $5,850,000


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=speedracer.htm

[starscream]

Hp 6 Will Make Most This Year I Think Im Will Break 2 00 Mil

[S.A.A.D.]

Harry Potter sucks big time IMO.

[Theweepeople]

I called it. IM destroys SR.

Amazing IM is now the #2 Marvel franchise. Something Singer could've easily accomplished with the X-Men had he been true to the comics, especially in the costume department. Also something Ang Lee could've accomplished with the Hulk had he just given everyone the action based movie they wanted.

The problem with the X-Men films has always been 20th century Fox. I thought Singer did a decent job considering all the crap Tom Rothman put him through. The first two films were rushed and underfunded. I can't believe the first movie was actually made with a budget of 75million. Singer was only given 30 million more to make the second film. Considering all the of the production chaos of the third film it's obvious Fox never believed in X-Men. They only cared about making money with the smallest budgets.

[Theweepeople]

Iron man's box office update:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $141,934,000 58.9%+ Foreign: $99,055,472 41.1%= Worldwide: $240,989,472

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ironman.htm

Iron Man destroyed Speed Racer yesterday it seems at the box office,Speed Racer made apparently 5$ while Iron Man made 15$ million.

Speed Racer at the box office:TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $5,850,000 100.0%
+ Foreign: n/a 0.0%

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= Worldwide: $5,850,000


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=speedracer.htm

What a colossal flop. That's pretty embarrasing for WB and the wachoski brothers. Hopefully, this may put a stop to movie companies turning lame cartoons into Live Action movies. On the other hand I still can't believe this movie could flop like this while freaking Alvin and the annoying chipmunks makes 200million dollars.

[starscream]

yes hp sucks .


but hp or the new james bond will make the most money

[TheVileOne]

I hope this puts a stop to the AKIRA live action movie :p . There is absolutely no reason to make a live action version of that anime.

[Asgard]

No way. I want to see that. I doubt they could make the movie as good as its anime counterpart, but I need to see Testuo go gangbusters in live action.

[Weadazoid]

I hope this puts a stop to the AKIRA live action movie :p . There is absolutely no reason to make a live action version of that anime.




All depends on who is invovled



technically if done right I want Eva long before Akira, or Ninja Scroll.

[S.A.A.D.]

What a colossal flop. That's pretty embarrasing for WB and the wachoski brothers. Hopefully, this may put a stop to movie companies turning lame cartoons into Live Action movies. On the other hand I still can't believe this movie could flop like this while freaking Alvin and the annoying chipmunks makes 200million dollars.

Speaking of Speed Racer,when I was working at Cineplex Odeon today,it was mainly busy because of Iron Man in theater 2 and theater 3,Speed Racer was only playing in one theater. During the first rush,there was only 5 people watching Speed Racer in the theater(room) it was in,then during the second matinee,the theater Speed Racer was in wasn't even 50% half full. So yeah,Speed Racer is a hardcore flop to me!

[Weadazoid]

Speaking of Speed Racer,when I was working at Cineplex Odeon today,it was mainly busy because of Iron Man in theater 2 and theater 3,Speed Racer was only playing in one theater. During the first rush,there was only 5 people watching Speed Racer in the theater(room) it was in,then during the second matinee,the theater Speed Racer was in wasn't even 50% half full. So yeah,Speed Racer is a hardcore flop to me!


yeah...it's getting SLAMMED by the critics as well.


Makes IM's 92% on Rotten look like gold. Speed is at 35%

[Upset Spideyfan]

edit: ignore.

[kedrell]

^Third weekend? Umm, no. Narnia 2 comes out next weekend so IM had only 2 weeks with little true competition. May 16th, the real competition starts. Ah, you changed it I see.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Yeah, I'm going crazy.

[kakashi]

Speed racer MIGHT make more money in the foreign market though...since it is a Wachowsky movie...

[Upset Spideyfan]

I assume it'll do better in Asia for obvious reasons.

[AragornKing1]

I saw Speed Racer with my niece and nephew. It wasn't that bad at all. The races were probably the best thing about it, that and I loved Racer X. I don't know why here's so much emnity for this movie at all. :huh: Trust me, I've seen much worse movies than Speed Racer. *cough* Bayformers *cough* At least I didn't have to watch Speed Racer in 2 parts unlike that movie which I shall not name. Ratatouile got twice the Box Office intake from me that weekend.

I doubt it's much better than Transformers. Why is everyone in denial that Transformers was actually a very good movie. Just because Michael Bay directed it, people like you don't want to admit the fact that it was great. Micheal Bay isn't perfect, but he isn't bad. Pearl Harbor was the only bad movie he made, and that was because of the script...and Ben Affleck.

[Theweepeople]

I doubt it's much better than Transformers. Why is everyone in denial that Transformers was actually a very good movie. Just because Michael Bay directed it, people like you don't want to admit the fact that it was great. Micheal Bay isn't perfect, but he isn't bad. Pearl Harbor was the only bad movie he made, and that was because of the script...and Ben Affleck.

I liked Transformers but, it could and should have been better than the film we got. Micheal Bay made some ridiculous and unnecessary changes to character designs and personalities from the cartoon. You're darn right about Bay not being perfect and so far he's only made two films that I enjoyed. Bad Boys 1,2, Armagadeon, and Pearl Harbor were crap.


Here's something for all the Bay haters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQsthDNGW0

Brett Hackner shows up at 04:13.

[The Caped Knight]

I have no doubt The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian will take Iron Man's first place crown this upcoming weekend . Of coruse Narnia will probably get crushed by Indiana Jones the following weekend .

[TLH]

My theater was packed tonight...Saturday on the second weekend. Quite something. The film shouldn't have any trouble cruising past $200 million.

[CaptainStacy]

I have no doubt The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian will take Iron Man's first place crown this upcoming weekend . Of coruse Narnia will probably get crushed by Indiana Jones the following weekend .

Well sure...Because by THEN, anyone who's anyone will have already SEEN Iron Man.


Twice. :word:

[SLYspyder]

The problem with the X-Men films has always been 20th century Fox. I thought Singer did a decent job considering all the crap Tom Rothman put him through. The first two films were rushed and underfunded. I can't believe the first movie was actually made with a budget of 75million. Singer was only given 30 million more to make the second film. Considering all the of the production chaos of the third film it's obvious Fox never believed in X-Men. They only cared about making money with the smallest budgets.

I'm not buying it. Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

[Raiden]

I'm not buying it. Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

Singer didn't make X3.

[Kargo Warrior]

Iron Man makes an estimated 52 millions second weekend!

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-offic.html

[FaT_tONle]

Singer didn't make X3.

By Singer walking he was responsible for the failure that was X-3... the guy single handedly ****ed up both DC and X-Men... he's on a freaking roll at this rate...

[Octoberist]

By Singer walking he was responsible for the failure that was X-3... the guy single handedly ****ed up both DC and X-Men... he's on a freaking role at this rate...

As much as I like Singer as a filmmaker, I agree with you..

[TheVileOne]

If Iron Man were to actually drop less than 50% this weekend that would be amazing. That's something few movies that open $90 million or more have done.

If that happens, I'd say its very possible for Iron Man to make $300 million.

[Iceman]

Iron Man makes an estimated 52 millions second weekend!

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-offic.html
Great figs!!

[chiefchirpa]

So I heard Iron Man hasn't opened yet in Japan.

Wow.. this is the "Iron Manu", a Marvel hero that's fit for a robot crazy country.

[CaptainStacy]

Iron Man makes an estimated 52 millions second weekend!

http://news.fantasymoguls.com/originalcontent/2008/05/early-box-offic.html

Major ownage on Speed Racer. :word:

[FlawlessVictory]

By Singer walking he was responsible for the failure that was X-3... the guy single handedly ****ed up both DC and X-Men... he's on a freaking roll at this rate...

LOL, totally agreed.

[TLH]

Wow, great for Iron Man. I did my part last night paying for two tickets to go see it. Wow, $21+ on Saturday is fantastic for a first weekend, not to mention a second weekend. Great news for a great film.

Speed Racer just got owned.

[fu manchu]

whoa! I thought speed racer would cut in Iron Man BO numbers. 52 millions second weekend: excellent!

[TheVileOne]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

BOM results have Iron Man at $50 million for the weekend. This gives it a second weekend dropoff of less than 50% than last weekend. For this type of movie, that is very damn good.

Iron Man is now over $175 million and well on its way to $300 million.

Bring on Narnia and old ass Harrison Ford. Iron Man is the true hero of the year 2008.

[Paste Pot Pete]

By Singer walking he was responsible for the failure that was X-3... the guy single handedly ****ed up both DC and X-Men... he's on a freaking roll at this rate...

That is the worst logic I've ever heard.

Maybe we should blame him for Elektra too, and Howard the Duck.

If he would've just directly those, they wouldn't have sucked. What an ass Singer is.

[Theweepeople]

I'm not buying it. Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

What aren't you buying? X1's budget's was 75million and X2's budget was 110million. You can't spin these facts. Those budgets are less than over half of the comic book films made in the past 10 years. There's no way Singer was ever going to make a great X-Men film with a budgets that should have been in the range of 150-175million or more.

Furthermore, Singer didn't just walk away. Singer was in negotiations to Director X3 and X4 for a whole year. After negotiations inexplicably went nowhere Singer decided to sign a contract to direct Logan's Run with WB. Fox didn't have a problem with because Singer had not signed a contract yet. After the Logan's Run project fell apart Singer signed a contract to direct Superman and planned to direct X-Men after this. Rothman was angry at Singer for doing this inspite of Singer having no contractual obligations with Fox to direct X-Men first or another X-Men film. Rothman terminated his contract with Singer's production company and had Singer thrown off the company lot by security guards forever.

You're reasoning for blaming X3's lacklusterness on Singer is even more ridiculous considering Singer left the project two years before X3 was released. Fox had plenty of time to sign a new director, writers, and production team to make a good film. Instead they rushed everything just to beat Singer's Superman release date in 2006.

[Mauser9910]

IM is probably past 300-350 millions worldwide now.

[Theweepeople]

That is the worst logic I've ever heard.

Maybe we should blame him for Elektra too, and Howard the Duck.

If he would've just directly those, they wouldn't have sucked. What an ass Singer is.

Just for the record Superman was already screwed up before Singer came on board. Lorenzo Dibonaventura and John Peters are responsible for the Superman Lives mess that started in 1993 and ended in 2005.

Here's an analysis of the chaotic mess the Superman Lives project went through before Singer came on board. After reading all of this I'm amazed Singer's Superman didn't suck. Of course the movie could have been a lot better but, what we could have gotten would have been 100 times worse.

http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

[bullets]

By Singer walking he was responsible for the failure that was X-3... the guy single handedly ****ed up both DC and X-Men... he's on a freaking roll at this rate...



lol , that is kind of true. at least he gave fox a good template , they should of waited for him to come back to the project.

[SLYspyder]

Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.


Singer didn't make X3.


Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

[TLH]

Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

So let me get this straight, what you're pretty much saying is that X2 sucked because Singer was involved...and X3 sucked because Singer was not involved? That sounds like a contradiction to me.

[Weadazoid]

I really like X2...feel it is a compleate film.

I feel Singer would have given us a much more traditional take on Phoenix...instead of the oddity that we got...Killing off Scott in the first act.


Not that it needed the Hellfire Club or the weird Alien race


but his take on sentinels seemed pretty dope. far better then..


what was that we got from Ratner



oh yeah..... a head.

[Theweepeople]

lol , that is kind of true. at least he gave fox a good template , they should of waited for him to come back to the project.

No it isn't true. Actors, actresses, directors, producers, and production crews sign contracts with different studios all the time. Singer only had contractual obligations with Fox to direct a tv show called House in 2004 and he met those obligations. There was nothing illegal or imoral about Singer's decision in signing a contract to direct a film with another studio since he had no contracual obligations to direct another X-Men film with Fox.

[Theweepeople]

Singer is the reason X2 and X3 didn't reach their full potentials.

This is how you participate in debates? Regurgitating the same crap over and over again. I thought you would at least try to back up these ridiculous claims with some facts.

[Marvin]

Just for the record Superman was already screwed up before Singer came on board. Lorenzo Dibonaventura and John Peters are responsible for the Superman Lives mess that started in 1993 and ended in 2005.

Here's an analysis of the chaotic mess the Superman Lives project went through before Singer came on board. After reading all of this I'm amazed Singer's Superman didn't suck. Of course the movie could have been a lot better but, what we could have gotten would have been 100 times worse.

http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

screwed up or no

he and his "Team" came on board, pitched and developed a story and script from scratch (if that's what you wanna call singers vision).
he had unlimited potential...
sorta the way nolan has

returns is his mess 100%

except that unlike Iron man singer had the 130plus million pirates opening a week after his (lame) uneventful movie.

iron man as skittles in your face speed(maybe the worst reviews of the summer with all of comicdom(see talkbacks and what not) tossing stones at it
(good place to be)

to his credit tho i didn't know the first x films had such low budgets
funny how superman had one of the highest in the genre and looked like nothing.

[SLYspyder]

What aren't you buying? X1's budget's was 75million and X2's budget was 110million. You can't spin these facts. Those budgets are less than over half of the comic book films made in the best 10 years. There's no way Singer was ever going to make a great X-Men film with a budgets that should have been in the range of 150-175million or more.

Furthermore, Singer didn't just walk away. Singer was in negotiations to Director X3 and X4 for a whole year. After negotiations inexplicably went nowhere Singer decided to sign a contract to direct Logan's Run with WB. Fox didn't have a problem with because Singer had not signed a contract yet. After the Logan's Run project fell apart Singer signed a contract to direct Superman and planned to direct X-Men after this. Rothman was angry at Singer for doing this inspite of Singer having no contractual obligations with Fox to direct X-Men first or another X-Men film. Rothman terminated his contract with Singer's production company and had Singer thrown off the company lot by security guards forever.

You're reasoning for blaming X3's lacklusterness on Singer is even more ridiculous considering Singer left the project two years before X3 was released. Fox had plenty of time to sign a new director, writers, and production team to make a good film. Instead they rushed everything just to beat Singer's Superman in 2006.

$75M? I'm sorry, wasn't that enough in 1999? Singer is known for not knowing how to handle money, see Superman Returns.

They are both at fault for the communications error, both parties should've talked more with each other to find out how Singer related to future X-Men projects. Singer got greedy, saw a big payday for SR, and left. It should've been pretty obvious to him that Fox still wanted him to direct X-Men, they had the date set and everything.

And it's a shame with the rush job and all, X-Men still beat Superman. Singer already set the foundations of ****ty costumes in the first movie, and a puss Cyclops. They weren't going to let Ratner do what he really wanted to do with the X-Men. Poor guy.

Thank goodness he didn't get his hands on Iron Man. His costume would've been all black, or all silver, Singer style. And he would've hired actors far too young for the roles, and all Iron man would've done was fly around catching stuff. Well then again, he probably wouldn't have been able to direct it since there wasn't a previous Iron Man movie for him to base all his IM knowledge on and basically copy.

[StylishHokie21]

Nothing can stop Iron Man!:im:

[Theweepeople]

screwed up or no

he and his "Team" came on board, pitched and developed a story and script from scratch (if that's what you wanna call singers vision).
he had unlimited potential...
sorta the way nolan has

returns is his mess 100%

except that unlike Iron man singer had the 130plus million pirates opening a week after his (lame) uneventful movie.

iron man as skittles in your face speed(maybe the worst reviews of the summer with all of comicdom(see talkbacks and what not) tossing stones at it
(good place to be)

to his credit tho i didn't know the first x films had such low budgets
funny how superman had one of the highest in the genre and looked like nothing.

That's a fair analysis so of course Singer takes most of the blame for the failure of Superman Returns. However, I think right now Superman is one of the hardest comic book characters to adapt because there have been too many different tv shows, movie, and comic book storylines told over the years. I know people who loved the originals films but, hate all the tv shows. People who love the comics, tv shows, and hate the movies. People who loved Superman Returns but, hate the comics, tv shows, and original movies. This film was destined to alienate many Superman fans as a result of Superman's background constantly being re-written throughout history.

I don't think Singer had a clue about what kind of storyline would satisfy a general audience. Some people urged him to do a complete reboot but, that would alienate the fans of the original films. Unfortunately, what we got wasn't a reboot but, felt like one at times with Lex Luthor as the main villian with another Doomsday device.

[Raiden]

Hurray to Iron Man! The first blockbuster and certified hit of the summer. It's well on its way to 300 million. :im:

[starscream]

well iron man is stil nr 1 here in holland so its going really well with it

[Blade X]

That is the worst logic I've ever heard.


I agree with you. However, you have to admit it was pretty damn funny logic.:yay:

[Theweepeople]

$75M? I'm sorry, wasn't that enough in 1999?

How many great comic book films have been made with a budget around 75million?

Singer is known for not knowing how to handle money, see Superman Returns.

Well, considering how little money he was given for X-Men I thought he did an okay job. Superman Returns being lackluster had nothing to do with how Singer handled the money. The movie had great visuals and action. The storyline wasn't handled well.

They are both at fault for the communications error, both parties should've talked more with each other to find out how Singer related to future X-Men projects. Singer got greedy, saw a big payday for SR, and left. It should've been pretty obvious to him that Fox still wanted him to direct X-Men, they had the date set and everything.


That is somewhat true but, Fox is more at fault. If Fox wanted Singer for the sequels they wouldn't have let negotiations run on for over a whole year for a franchise that was making them 100s of millions before Singer left.

Singer already set the foundations of ****ty costumes in the first movie, and a puss Cyclops. They weren't going to let Ratner do what he really wanted to do with the X-Men. Poor guy.

I agree that Singer is at fault for making Cyclops a wimp. The costume controversy is annoying but, I understand Singer's reasoning for doing at. However, I can't believe you feel sorry for Ratner. If you read that article I posted on the Superman Lives script you would have realized that Ratner called John Peters horrible script flawless. Here are some of the ideas that Ratner agreed with:

1. Krypton doesn’t explode. Instead it’s a Naboo rip-off overrun by robot soldiers, walking war machines, and civil war (can you say, Star Wars: Episode I?). Jor-El is literally the king of Krypton and leader of the Kryptonian Senate (thus Superman is a prince), and he and Lara send Kal-El to Earth because he is "the One" whom a prophecy states will save Krypton from destruction (rip-off of The Matrix). The villains, Jor-El’s evil brother and nephew Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor, take Jor-El prisoner and send probe pods out to find and kill the baby Kal-El. 14 years later, Lara and her shell-less turtle servant Taga (shades of Jar Jar Binks) are found by Ty-Zor, and Lara gets tortured to death.
2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it. He first discovers it in a closet when he’s 14 (Jor-El visited Earth and picked the Kents out to be Kal-El’s new parents, leaving them his picture, some S-shield metal pieces signifying the virtues Kal-El must represent, and the costume), and the costume rips his clothes off and stuffs him into itself. So teen Clark is flying around in a suit that’s way too big for him.
3. Lex Luthor is an evil CIA agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. When Superman reveals himself to the world, Luthor demands that the government allow him to hunt Superman down and kill him. The government refuses, so Luthor allies himself with the evil Kryptonians out to kill Kal-El…because Luthor himself is an evil Kryptonian, working undercover as a human to set up an invasion of Earth!
4. All the Kryptonians get into airborne kung-fu fights straight out of The Matrix. Even Luthor gets in on the act at the end of the script.
5. An aerial kung-fu fight between Superman and Ty-Zor results in Superman being lured into a trap: Lois is drowning in a tank filled with kryptonite. (This begs the question of how there can be kryptonite when Krypton didn’t even explode, but….) Superman is given a choice: save her and die from radiation poisoning in the act, or stand by and watch her drown. So he goes in, saves her, and dies. Jor-El magically senses Superman’s death from across the galaxy, commits hara-kiri with a rock he sharpens in his prison cell, goes to Heaven, and talks Superman into coming back to life so he can fulfill the prophecy of saving Krypton from its civil war. So Superman’s soul returns to his body, and he proceeds to trash Ty-Zor and his cronies. And at the end of the film, Superman flies off in a rocket to save Krypton (which is where the second film is planned to take place).
6. A dialogue scene at The Daily Planet implies that Jimmy Olsen—a horny skirt-chaser in the comic books—is gay, as Abrams describes him as "effeminate" and Perry White rags on him for having a boyfriend.

Ratner has always been a hack. He joined the X-Men project at the last minute because he didn't care that the film's script had annoying plotholes and ridiculous deviations from source material that would tick off X-Men fans. We shouldn't feel sorry for Ratner because he doesn't feel sorry for the horrible film he directed.


Thank goodness he didn't get his hands on Iron Man. His costume would've been all black, or all silver, Singer style. And he would've hired actors far too young for the roles, and all Iron man would've done was fly around catching stuff. Well then again, he probably wouldn't have been able to direct it since there wasn't a previous Iron Man movie for him to base all his IM knowledge on and basically copy.

Who knows what Singer would have done with IM? Fortunately, Iron Man's history isn't as shady as Superman's so he is a much easier character to adapt. Singer might have done a good job.

[Marvin]

That's a fair analysis so of course Singer takes most of the blame for the failure of Superman Returns. However, I think right now Superman is one of the hardest comic book characters to adapt because there have been too many different tv shows, movie, and comic book storylines told over the years. I know people who loved the originals films but, hate all the tv shows. People who love the comics, tv shows, and hate the movies. People who loved Superman Returns but, hate the comics, tv shows, and original movies. This film was destined to alienate many Superman fans as a result of Superman's background constantly being re-written throughout history.

I don't think Singer had a clue about what kind of storyline would satisfy a general audience. Some people urged him to do a complete reboot but, that would alienate the fans of the original films. Unfortunately, what we got wasn't a reboot but, felt like one at times with Lex Luthor as the main villian with another Doomsday device.

fair enough

he made the right choice with the xmen material
(he even made everyone watch the cartoon...which unlike most cartoons was straight up translations of the books)

with superman he litterally chose the donnerverse...he even kinda retold one of donners movies

and now i can see why...still dumb decision
seeing as how he kinda proved the other system worked perfectly

that being said, that wasn't his only mistake on superman
Bosworth might be the biggest imo

[TheVileOne]

Take the Singer bashing bandwagon elsewhere. None of that has anything to do with Iron Man. Chances are that Jon Favreau was more than likely a fan of the Singer X-men films. Favreau talks about indy and art filmmakers doing these movies not apologetically but because they care about the characters and want to do them. Singer was one of the directors Favreau mentioned.

Focus on the fact that Iron Man is #1 once again and had a great second weekend. And destroyed God awful garbage like SPEED RACER.

[RonStoppablefan]

Its number 1 agian? Awesome. I'm going to go see it agian this week, it will be my third time seeing it ^^

[Figs]

Take the Singer bashing bandwagon elsewhere. None of that has anything to do with Iron Man. Chances are that Jon Favreau was more than likely a fan of the Singer X-men films. Favreau talks about indy and art filmmakers doing these movies not apologetically but because they care about the characters and want to do them. Singer was one of the directors Favreau mentioned.

Focus on the fact that Iron Man is #1 once again and had a great second weekend. And destroyed God awful garbage like SPEED RACER.


I'll drink to that!:yay:

[ultimatefan]

Excellent holdover for IM, very surprising for a blockbuster in this day and age, especially a PG-13 movie. Again, proof that you can make a very entertaining summer movie without dumbing it down or "childrenizing" it - yeah, that was directed at Speed Racer - or making dumb jokes every sixty seconds. And yeah, Favreau mentioned Singer´s work on X-Men and Nolan on Batman as approaches he admired and influenced him on IM.

[TheVileOne]

There you go, so that should really bury it for many of you.

Iron Man is well on its way to $300 million US and even more worldwide.

[NoirMan82]

I thought IM would do $180 million tops, boy am I eating crow, and loving every bite. I think this film is solidifying Marvel's brand name. IM being a huge hit will only help draw people to Hulk and future Marvel features. Mavel can soon become the Disney of superhero films. :woot:

[TheVileOne]

It will do $180 million . . . by Monday :) .

LOL, fans on the BOM forums are comparing Speed Racer's BO to TITANIC. LMFAO!

[<borkis>]

It will do $180 million . . . by Monday :) .

LOL, fans on the BOM forums are comparing Speed Racer's BO to TITANIC. LMFAO!

Well, it IS true that Titanic brought in just over 20 million in its first weekend.... ;)

[TheVileOne]

I think it was more like $28 million, but whatever. Speed Racer is no Titanic.

[Marvin]

Excellent holdover for IM, very surprising for a blockbuster in this day and age, especially a PG-13 movie. Again, proof that you can make a very entertaining summer movie without dumbing it down or "childrenizing" it - yeah, that was directed at Speed Racer - or making dumb jokes every sixty seconds. And yeah, Favreau mentioned Singer´s work on X-Men and Nolan on Batman as approaches he admired and influenced him on IM.

looking at original source material iron man was never for "kids"
where as speed racer was

fanboys today are the equivalent of women who played with barbie wanting a brats movie to be sex and the city

if you were still a kid speed would be the most awesome **** on the block right now
but because your "above" it one tends to feel...alienated

[TheVileOne]

Oh whatever. Like kids never read Iron Man comics throughout the years. I totally read the Iron Man comics in my meddling youth. Watched the cartoons and everything.

The popularity of Speed Racer with kids was horrendously overestimated.

[<borkis>]

I think it was more like $28 million, but whatever. Speed Racer is no Titanic.

Of course it is. Watch it sink like a rock.

[Marvin]

unlike the iron man comic with apparently dealt with alcoholism and other "cool" marvel real world issues(go stan go)

speed was an oldie age anime cartoon with funky kids in heeled shoes jumping into cars and doing fun things

honestly
(and if anyone can write an essay about the diff between iron man and speedracer, it's the bros...(their iron man would be interesting imo))

[FaT_tONle]

What aren't you buying? X1's budget's was 75million and X2's budget was 110million. You can't spin these facts. Those budgets are less than over half of the comic book films made in the past 10 years. There's no way Singer was ever going to make a great X-Men film with a budgets that should have been in the range of 150-175million or more.

What was Singer's SR budget again? You don't think his budget was spent unwisely at all? Look the guy did deliver to use two decent X-Men films... but to leave a franchise like that because Fox was stalling and then to go out and take the better deal... only to **** all over that franchise... the guy is a real piece of work. I don't want the guy touching more Marvel/DC properties again. As far as MOS... let him fix his own mess. If he fails to deliver again... he'll never get a major summer tentpole again from another studio.

[TheVileOne]

Once again, enough of the Singer crap.

We should be savoring Iron Man's success, because who knows when something this surprisingly good will happen again?

It's clear from the second weekend that Iron Man is no mere fluke. But we don't want this series of Marvel Studios movies to be flukes either. However, they couldn't have gotten a better start with Iron Man.

[TheVileOne]

Of course it is. Watch it sink like a rock.

Lol, :up: .

[Marvin]

Once again, enough of the Singer crap.

We should be savoring Iron Man's success, because who knows when something this surprisingly good will happen again?

It's clear from the second weekend that Iron Man is no mere fluke. But we don't want this series of Marvel Studios movies to be flukes either. However, they couldn't have gotten a better start with Iron Man.

that's hard to say

begins may have done just as good if it wasn't released mid week and didn't have "the flop of the summer following it"

more over nothing good has been in for a while before iron man

just saying

[TheVileOne]

I disagree. I think the opening of Begins showed that a lot of people were skeptical about it and weren't really sure about getting into Batman at the movies again.

[FaT_tONle]

Once again, enough of the Singer crap.

We should be savoring Iron Man's success, because who knows when something this surprisingly good will happen again?

It's clear from the second weekend that Iron Man is no mere fluke. But we don't want this series of Marvel Studios movies to be flukes either. However, they couldn't have gotten a better start with Iron Man.

You are right... we should be savouring the success... and instead we act like spoiled fanboys telling ourselves that these numbers should have not been THAT suprising... the thing is... with one good movie... you are going to need to make two more movies that are even better to appease the fanboys. All I am saying is... none of this will mean much if Favreau and company fail to deliver in the sequel. It's not about making the one movie anymore... its about making one movie over six to eight years since the sequels all get clumped in among one another. We still haven't capped off that perfect trilogy since what? LOTR? SW: OT? IM might be the last shot as far as Marvel properties are concerned. Expectations have gone from "We need a decent Iron Man movie..." to "We now need a kick ass sequel and to top it off, the most epic comic book film ever (Avengers)". And I am not even counting the other franchises Marvel has in mind. To me IM is in the past and all I am thinking about is what can be done to improve the franchise in the sequel. If Marvel doesn't end up delivering to a near perfect level with these up and coming projects... no one is going to be talking about these movies in another twenty years. That's why people bring up Singer and what not... because we don't want past mistakes to repeat themselves again.

[Marvin]

either way

it would have been a stronger figure had it opened in 3days
and didn't have anything good before or after
ala the present sitaution

[Iceman]

either way

it would have been a stronger figure had it opened in 3days
and didn't have anything good before or after
ala the present sitautionMost summer films are going to have strong releases either before or after them & it doesn't get much easier than Speed Racer for competition :woot:

[bapi]

50 mil./2nd weekend? Wow AD was right about the box office. :word:

[Marvin]

Most summer films are going to have strong releases either before or after them & it doesn't get much easier than Speed Racer for competition :woot:

i was referring to begins

[FaT_tONle]

50 mil./2nd weekend? Wow AD was right about the box office. :word:

In all fairness... he probably got lucky... the guy got banned for excessively supporting the Incredible Hulk... lets see how that film does before we start annointing him the banned Marvel box office guru.

[Iceman]

i was referring to beginsOk.

I'll be interested to see how the Dark Knight performs compared to Iron Man. No idea what kind of figures to expect.

[THOR]

Based on the Saturady surge that Iron Man had on the opening weekend I am predicting a 48% drop from last weekends huge numbers and a weekend total of $47M.


How good am I??? :woot::grin::wow:

[YJ1]

50 mil./2nd weekend? Wow AD was right about the box office. :word:

AD was usually right in those matters.

Bring back AD, we're starting to get lost without him!

[Rac]

Most summer films are going to have strong releases either before or after them & it doesn't get much easier than Speed Racer for competition :woot:
Yeah. This summer is very crowded. Big movies coming every weekend!

May 1
Iron Man

May 9
Speed Racer

May 16
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian

May 23
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

May 30
Sex and the City: The Movie

June 6
OK, this is a tricky one. I guess Adam Sandler flick (Zohan) is kinda big? And so is an animated movie (Kung Fu Panda). I think.

June 13
The Incredible Hulk
The Happening

June 20
Get Smart

June 27
Wall-E
Wanted

July 4
Hancock

July 11
Hellboy II: The Golden Army

July 18
The Dark Knight

July 25
The X-Files: I Want to Believe

August 1
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor

August 8
Pineapple Express

August 15
Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Tropic Thunder

August 22
Bangkok Dangerous

August 29
Babylon A.D.

[YJ1]

We still haven't capped off that perfect trilogy since what?

Since last year. Certain fanboy sniveling aside, Spider-Man is an outstanding trilogy. "Perfection" is all in an individual's perception. To me, Raimi delivered perfection.

Movie 1- Perfect in establishing character and franchise
Movie 2- Outstanding story to perfectly advance character
Movie 3- Ambitious story with perfect action that builds on what has been established

That's why people bring up Singer and what not... because we don't want past mistakes to repeat themselves again.

It's a fine line you're advocating but I understand the sentiment. Iron Man managed to do both... have general audiences love the film AND rabid fans. Iron Man is better suited to translation, however. Since we're not dealing with direct translations, it's tough to accomplish. EVERYTHING must be interpreted and mutated to fit live action. There are certain limitations involved. Even Iron Man experienced it. What's tough is that every fan has an idea of how it should be translated. If people get creative and alter things that don't fit a fan's narrow perspective, they whine. It's become a strange juggling act for film makers.

The fact is that Marvel will take two more billion dollar "mistakes" and trade off a few fanboys howling at the moon. Both Spider-Man and X-Men have generated over a billion dollars and are well received by the general public. Personally, I hope future films are all like Iron Man and take a cue from Tony Stark...

"Is it too much to ask for both?"

[Iceman]

Double post

[Iceman]

Movie 3- Ambitious story with perfect action that builds on what has been establishedMaybe too ambitious.

It's a fine line you're advocating but I understand the sentiment. Iron Man managed to do both... have general audiences love the film AND rabid fans. Iron Man is better suited to translation, however. Since we're not dealing with direct translations, it's tough to accomplish. EVERYTHING must be interpreted and mutated to fit live action. There are certain limitations involved. Even Iron Man experienced it. What's tough is that every fan has an idea of how it should be translated. If people get creative and alter things that don't fit a fan's narrow perspective, they whine. It's become a strange juggling act for film makers.

The fact is that Marvel will take two more billion dollar "mistakes" and trade off a few fanboys howling at the moon. Both Spider-Man and X-Men have generated over a billion dollars and are well received by the general public. Personally, I hope future films are all like Iron Man and take a cue from Tony Stark...

"Is it too much to ask for both?":up: I don't think it's too much to ask.

This is Marvel's 1st independent effort and they've already outperformed most of the previous efforts at their properties by other studios. Lets hope they can maintain these production standards.

[Docker2.0]

In all fairness... he probably got lucky... the guy got banned for excessively supporting the Incredible Hulk... lets see how that film does before we start annointing him the banned Marvel box office guru.

Don't you dare talk about AD! :cmad: Come back AD! PM me your new screen name cuase I know you are here!

Anyway, I hate to say I told you so but I said Speed Racer would bomb and it looks like I was right. First bomb of the summer! :o

[SurfDUI]

AD- PM me your new screen name cuase I know you are here!


hip me w/it too, onalow

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe too ambitious.

Not much else I can add to that. But back to YJ1's comments... I agree with you... it won't get much better than SM 1-3 or even X1-X3... it is what it is. I am not expecting a perfect trilogy. All I want is a sequel that is better than the first... b/c that is what we have grown accustomed to... I want it to be better in almost all respects. A third one is house money to me... as far as Avengers... I have a hard time believing that's going to meet expectations... so I basically just want two and a half hours of some of the best entertainment I'll ever get at the movies. I'll try to keep my espectations as low as possible for that one.

[TheVileOne]

AD should behave himself if he comes back.

[Tony Stark]

I didn't realize AD was banned. But everyone makes mistakes once in a while.

[Rocker22]

Glad the ol' Shellhead came out on top again this weekend

[Hiruu]

Glad to be able to jump back into a Box Office discussion, after catching up on some past postings...roflol...alot of people missed the mark on THIS film! I think it's going to be in the top 5, and looking at the heavyweights this year, that might just be absolutely HUGE. Indy, Caspian, Hancock, DK...WOW...just a great start, and coming out of the gate first will benefit, since all those other films will destroy each other...Prince Caspian is going to get pounded by Indy Jones, who is oging to be hit by Kung Fu Panda and Zohan (2 weeks later, but still...). Then it's the Hulk and the Happening, which will fight each other, and the movies our before that, and on and on...I think it would have served Marvel better to place the Hulk in August...away from such thick competition.

[Docker2.0]

I honestly think Hancock and TDK will knock each other out. I can't believe they are going head to head with each other. I actually like Hancock to come out on top though I'm really looking forward to the DK.

[FlawlessVictory]

We still haven't capped off that perfect trilogy since what? LOTR? SW: OT? IM might be the last shot as far as Marvel properties are concerned.

Since last year.

Since never as far as superhero films are concerned. :o

X-Men had a great shot but then Singer left. Spider-Man had an outstanding shot but Spider-Man 3 turned into a mess. Iron Man won't do it because there won't be a third Iron Man. Favreau already stated "Iron Man 3" will be The Avengers. Del Toro said he will be back for Hellboy 3 and that will be it, so there's a possibility there. But not too sure how high Hellboy ranks for most people. Batman has a great chance as long as Nolan returns. Hopefully we get that "perfect" trilogy with Batman.

[Iceman]

Not much else I can add to that. But back to YJ1's comments... I agree with you... it won't get much better than SM 1-3 or even X1-X3... it is what it is. I am not expecting a perfect trilogy. All I want is a sequel that is better than the first... b/c that is what we have grown accustomed to... I want it to be better in almost all respects. A third one is house money to me... as far as Avengers... I have a hard time believing that's going to meet expectations... so I basically just want two and a half hours of some of the best entertainment I'll ever get at the movies. I'll try to keep my espectations as low as possible for that one.If the other 3 Avengers "prequels" are of similar standard to Iron Man most people's expectations are going to be as high as they've ever been for a film. It's going to be very difficult to keep them low.

Glad to be able to jump back into a Box Office discussion, after catching up on some past postings...roflol...alot of people missed the mark on THIS film! I think it's going to be in the top 5, and looking at the heavyweights this year, that might just be absolutely HUGE. Indy, Caspian, Hancock, DK...WOW...just a great start, and coming out of the gate first will benefit, since all those other films will destroy each other...Prince Caspian is going to get pounded by Indy Jones, who is oging to be hit by Kung Fu Panda and Zohan (2 weeks later, but still...). Then it's the Hulk and the Happening, which will fight each other, and the movies our before that, and on and on...I think it would have served Marvel better to place the Hulk in August...away from such thick competition.Yeah I think Iron Man had the best spot this year.

Since never as far as superhero films are concerned. :o

X-Men had a great shot but then Singer left. Spider-Man had an outstanding shot but Spider-Man 3 turned into a mess. Iron Man won't do it because there won't be a third Iron Man. Favreau already stated "Iron Man 3" will be The Avengers. Del Toro said he will be back for Hellboy 3 and that will be it, so there's a possibility there. But not too sure how high Hellboy ranks for most people. Batman has a great chance as long as Nolan returns. Hopefully we get that "perfect" trilogy with Batman.Agreed on 'since never' & also agreed that there is a good chance with Batman/Nolan. I like Hellboy but's it's operating in a different league. Even after the 2nd film a lot of people won't even have heard of it.

[Docker2.0]

Believe me when I say Caspian will not get pounded by anyone with the religious following it has.

[Docker2.0]

Whoa, whoa! There's a new Star Wars coming out this year? Is it animated or live action?

[Rocker22]

It is animated, the trailer for it came out last week.