Iron Man BO thread

[antariksh]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=15546

I am really pissed at this!!!

I mean common SONY wants to go head to head with IRON MAN. I think they forgot that MARVEL donated them spider-man.

****IN morons i hope now the new 007 movie coming this november BOMBS.

[superduperhero]

Whoa.... whoa..... whoa.... man for all we know Iron Man will own Bond....

[Spider-Fan]

Someone is gonna blink....only question is who? I will guess Iron Man will be moved, but if the new Bond fails or disappoints, then Bond probably will.

[superduperhero]

Someone is gonna blink....only question is who? I will guess Iron Man will be moved, but if the new Bond fails or disappoints, then Bond probably will.

AGREED.

[tzarinna]

I for one am not interested in Bond

[superduperhero]

Me neither....only the old ones... the new ones don't catch my attention...

[YJ1]

I for one am not interested in Bond

Especially since they cast that lame goofball. Still, now I'll make it a point NOT to pay to see Casino Royale. I hope it flops severely.

[Ironfan72]

It will be interesting to see, Bond is a well established movie franchise and has a major advantage over Iron Man in name recognizion, it will all hinge on Casino Royale and how it does in theaters.

[blind_fury]

Looks like Irom Man doesn't have big competition.

James Bond comes out May 2008.

Iron Man comes out May 2007.

[Chris.]

Looks like Irom Man doesn't have big competition.

James Bond comes out May 2008.

Iron Man comes out May 2007.

Iron Man is a May 08 Release.
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[U.S War Machine]

Why are they making another bond film?

[Abaddon]

Connery and Brosnan are the only Bonds that matter.

[BULLFEST]

Why are they making another bond film?

i think the movies have made well over 4 billions dollars to date
so thats why they keep making them

and the new bond really doesnt do anything for me
roger moore was my favorite
:)

[Advanced Dark]

This is zero competition for Iron Man. James Bond was always ok but never a blockbuster...ever and with this new boring ass actor...nobody is gonna watch that over Iron Man.

[Retroman]

No matter how much you moan about it and no matter how much some might think Craig (a good actor btw) is not the right guy for the role. You can't deny that the Bond movies always do well even the not-so good ones.

Its been around since 1962 and has built-in fanbase.So always a force to be reckoned with. The fact that Sony are going for May 2008 shows that the mean business.

[Retroman]

This is zero competition for Iron Man. James Bond was always ok but never a blockbuster...ever and with this new boring ass actor...nobody is gonna watch that over Iron Man.
IMO this is a pretty biased opnion.
You go out on the street now and ask anyone what they'll watch and they are likely to tell you that they'll go and watch Bond.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah but Craig is not the same attraction as Pierce. He's just...boring. He's a downgrade.

[Retroman]

^I loved Pierce but that chapter is over now really. Craig is a good actor in my opnion and will win over a new fans just because he is different from Brosnan.More rugged. Women like that too.

[Danger Mouse]

^ Yeah but Craig is not the same attraction as Pierce. He's just...boring. He's a downgrade.
Equal scepticism was levied against newcomer Roger Moore back then.

[GL's Light]

If Casino Royale does well at the box office, Iron Man will move to another release date. Count on it.

[antariksh]

If Casino Royale does well at the box office, Iron Man will move to another release date. Count on it.

That will SUCK!!!!

This is MARVEL's first comic book movie they are doing themselves. They have to stick with the release date otherwise all studios will gang up against them and make sure all their movies are flop.

You know all the studios know that if they do their own movies, there is a good chance Fans will come in huge numbers to watch them and they could make tons of money from these movies.

RIVAL STUDIOS like Sony, Fox want to make sure they don't win this battle because of reason we all know!!!!!!

[Advanced Dark]

Give me a break. There's no reason to move away from a Craig helmed Bond. He has zero star power and the Bond franchise has never been a blockbuster type film. Iron Man will annihilate it.

[Advanced Dark]

If Casino Royale does well at the box office, Iron Man will move to another release date. Count on it.

At least make sense. Tell me how that scenerio even possible. LOL Nobody moves a release date right before it's released and Bond is not a threat to Iron Man.

[mr jinx]

At least make sense. Tell me how that scenerio even possible. LOL Nobody moves a release date right before it's released and Bond is not a threat to Iron Man.


there is over a year between casino royale and iron man, thats hardly "right before" release. the date could easily be changed. also, you may think that bond is no threat, but they are both films with similar demographic targets and both are sort of high tech spy type movies. iron man may beat bond, but certainly bond will gobble up some of the potential audience.

[GL's Light]

At least make sense. Tell me how that scenerio even possible. LOL Nobody moves a release date right before it's released and Bond is not a threat to Iron Man.
What do you mean "right before it's released"? Casino Royale comes out later this year, if it's a hit, that'll give plenty of time to move Iron Man to a different release date.

The Bond films have indeed been blockbusters. Die Another Day opened to $ 47 million in the US, and went on to $ 161 million domestic and $ 432 million worldwide. If Casino Royale proves to have as much commercial power, Marvel will move Iron Man.

You have a blind spot when it comes to Marvel films - you think they're all going to be all-conquering blockbuster hits, and that they'll vanquish any competition. That's not realistic.

[Advanced Dark]

Sorry GL I was thinking Bond 22. In any event it won't matter if Casino Royale does good or bad. What's Casino's competition? I know it's not Iron Man or anything close to it. Iron Man has NOTHING to worry about from a Bond film with Craig. Nothing at all. I can assure you Bond will change it's date or be crushed. He's old news now and giving him lighter hair doesn't change things for the better. I'm actually happy Bond is there because nobody else will move in on that date with Bond and Iron Man there cause it'll appear too crowded for 3 films.

[GL's Light]

It won't surprise me if Casino Royale turns out to have the same level of success as the Brosnan Bond films. I certainly wouldn't underestimate the Bond franchise, and Sony has more than enough power to stare down Marvel Studios. If FF 2 moved its release date because of Transformers, there's reason to think that Iron Man will move because of Bond. At any rate, it'll be interesting to watch the jockeying for release date positions continue.

[Ironfan72]

Well, like I said its way to early to speculate, Bond may do very well at the box off this year and if it does Marvel will have to take that into consideration, if it bombs then Marvel has nothing to worry about.

[mr jinx]

It won't surprise me if Casino Royale turns out to have the same level of success as the Brosnan Bond films. I certainly wouldn't underestimate the Bond franchise, and Sony has more than enough power to stare down Marvel Studios. If FF 2 moved its release date because of Transformers, there's reason to think that Iron Man will move because of Bond. At any rate, it'll be interesting to watch the jockeying for release date positions continue.


why doesnt bond stay in november where is has had success in the past?

[GL's Light]

why doesnt bond stay in november where is has had success in the past?
I'm surprised at the announcement. I thought they'd stick to November. But it's certainly not unprecedented to release a Bond film in the summer.

[mr jinx]

I'm surprised at the announcement. I thought they'd stick to November. But it's certainly not unprecedented to release a Bond film in the summer.


but it will have been 19 years since licence to kill got its butt kicked. it seems much smarter to stay where success has been. i would say the same for even harry potter. the one summer potter did the worst of the 4 films. this bond vs iron man does seem personal especially since practically every other date is still open in summer 08.

[GL's Light]

but it will have been 19 years since licence to kill got its butt kicked. it seems much smarter to stay where success has been. i would say the same for even harry potter. the one summer potter did the worst of the 4 films. this bond vs iron man does seem personal especially since practically every other date is still open in summer 08.
I don't think it's personal. The first weekend of May is a very valuable release date. When Marvel positioned Iron Man there, I wondered whether they'd be able to hang onto that date. There's always some rough-and-tumble between the studios for the best summer release dates, and I thought another studio would try to shove Iron Man out of that date. I just wasn't expecting it to be a Bond film.

[mr jinx]

well, if it was spiderman or even hulk, i think marvel should take em on, but after the superman vs pirates fiasco, i wonder if it might not be better to take on kung fu panda, which will likely be the weekend before memorial day. Iron man, i am sure, wants to stay away from Batman 2.

[Eros]

this is James freaking bond[no matter whos playing him], one of the top 5 biggest movie icons of all time. Whenever a bond movie ocmes out, its is a force to be reckoned with . poeple worship bond, they damn sure don't worship iron-man.

[Jinnobi]

Bond films always attract people. Iron Man does not have a huge fan base the way a Spider-man or Batman does. People interested in comics and special features will go, regardless. Bond fans go see Bond films. I predict it will do about as good as Daredevil.

[Advanced Dark]

this is James freaking bond[no matter whos playing him], one of the top 5 biggest movie icons of all time. Whenever a bond movie ocmes out, its is a force to be reckoned with . poeple worship bond, they damn sure don't worship iron-man.

Sorry but no bond film has ever hit blockbuster territory even with Brosnan. He's old news. Today's kids (the primary demographic for summer films) don't give 2 craps about James Bond...for the most part. I'm sure there are some fans but the majority would rather watch a film like Iron Man or Ghost Rider than Bond. Look at MI:3 w/Tom Cruise. Great film, well known actor...dissapointment.

[Eros]

Sorry but no bond film has ever hit blockbuster territory even with Brosnan. He's old news. Today's kids (the primary demographic for summer films) don't give 2 craps about James Bond...for the most part. I'm sure there are some fans but the majority would rather watch a film like Iron Man or Ghost Rider than Bond. Look at MI:3 w/Tom Cruise. Great film, well known actor...dissapointment.

the last 4 Bond movies have each grossed over 400 millions dollars worldwide.including way Over 100 million dollars in america each, so why is that not considered blockbuster to you?

[Advanced Dark]

actually only Die another Day which was Brosnan's last film & had Halle Berry grossed over 400 million, and that one grossed 160 domestic. No other Bond film has come close to Die Another Day, and no other Bond film has topped 400 worldwide. You don't need to fabricate #'s.

[Hunter Rider]

Despite what some immature fanboys may think Bond opening in direct competition with Iron Man is a blow.No one even knows yet how much interest the GA will have in Iron Man,it could be the new DD quite easily and Bond is a solid bet every time out

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry but no bond film has ever hit blockbuster territory even with Brosnan. He's old news. Today's kids (the primary demographic for summer films) don't give 2 craps about James Bond...for the most part. I'm sure there are some fans but the majority would rather watch a film like Iron Man or Ghost Rider than Bond. Look at MI:3 w/Tom Cruise. Great film, well known actor...dissapointment.

Your bias flys out of this post,for starters there is no proof anyone gives two craps about Ghost Rider or Iron Man and in case you wern't aware Tom Cruise has got less stroke than he had due to last summer

[Warhammer]

If Casino Royale is a hit and Craig's Bond ends up being as good as they say, Iron Man will have big competition. :(

Oh well, more great movies in 2008. :)

[Warhammer]

Your bias flys out of this post,for starters there is no proof anyone gives two craps about Ghost Rider or Iron Man and in case you wern't aware Tom Cruise has got less stroke than he had due to last summer

Yeah, I always thogh M:I:III was a disappointment, not because of the actual movie, but Cruise, himself.

[chiefchirpa]

I say may the best trailer wins.

Iron Man can win if it has a relatively well-known actor (but we don't want Tom), cool SFX shown in the trailer, and a better techno action. Casino Royale has something against it like a newcomer Bond and darker stuff that kids don't watch.

Oh, I say Iron Man needs to have its armor brightly colored Crimson Red. Bright Red (look at Spider-Man) has to attract viewers more as opposed to darker hued costume (Batman Begins, Superman Returns).

[Advanced Dark]

Your bias flys out of this post,for starters there is no proof anyone gives two craps about Ghost Rider or Iron Man and in case you wern't aware Tom Cruise has got less stroke than he had due to last summer

Again, the primary audience for these films are young men under 30 and over 13. They're more into comic book type films in general than James Bond. You put the Ghost Rider or Iron Man Trailer next to Craig in James Bond 8 out of 10 of the 13-30 year olds will be more attracted to the Comic Book film.

[Advanced Dark]

I say may the best trailer wins.



That's what it's gonna come down to. Which trailer is gonna excite people the most. It'll be interesting to see if Marvel can promote like Fox. It's like whne you watch that Ghost Rider trailer most people's reaction I've witnessed is like WTF? That looks insane! It a fresh concept to the average moviegoer. It's different.

[Hunter Rider]

Again, the primary audience for these films are young men under 30 and over 13. They're more into comic book type films in general than James Bond. You put the Ghost Rider or Iron Man Trailer next to Craig in James Bond 8 out of 10 of the 13-30 year olds will be more attracted to the Comic Book film.

That's utter specualtion,i guess thats why WOTW creamed both BB and F4 last year ? or why The Last Samurai has made more WW than any comic book movie except for the Spidey films
SR should tell you that there is no guarantee and GR and IM could quite easily be DD's.
The last Bond made big money and this one already has a sequel greenlit,to ignore that IM would need to be as successful as F4 straight out the gate to even compete with Bonds last domestic gross is pure fanboyism

[GL's Light]

I'll bet that Casino Royale will gross more than Ghost Rider, and by a substantial margin, both domestically and worldwide.

[COME ON !]

I'll bet that Casino Royale will gross more than Ghost Rider, and by a substantial margin, both domestically and worldwide.

Me too.

[mr jinx]

I'll bet that Casino Royale will gross more than Ghost Rider, and by a substantial margin, both domestically and worldwide.

especially worldwide. Bond is big overseas. When I was younger I used to read tons of marvel comics (including daredevil, ghost rider, and even the new warriors) but i nver bought a single Iron Man issue. i cant be the only one that feels that way. i still am rooting for the film, but he just isnt an A lister.

[antariksh]

especially worldwide. Bond is big overseas. When I was younger I used to read tons of marvel comics (including daredevil, ghost rider, and even the new warriors) but i nver bought a single Iron Man issue. i cant be the only one that feels that way. i still am rooting for the film, but he just isnt an A lister.

Don't worry F4 was not considered a A lister comic book BUT it did do more than $330 milliom worldwide.

If IRON MAN is a great movie+gets big marketing with cool posters and trailers, tv-spots. Then i am sure it can do $350 million worldwide.

It all depends on which appeals more to kids, teenagers and adults.

[Darthphere]

Iron Man will be fine, damn calm your asses down. They probably wont release it the same weekend anyway. And for all we know one or both of these productions might be delayed. As for Bond, im looking forward to it and Daniel Craig is a fine actor.

[DACrowe]

I'm not a big fan of Craig, so I'll wait and see if CR works (a great book btw)...

but to say Iron Man is more well known or have the neverve to say Bond WAS NEVER a blcokbuster is just IGNORANT. The Connery films practically invented the blockbuster film. Goldeneye, TWINE, and DAD (though bad) were also MODERN blockbusters.

Oh well though.

[ROB]

look this is an Iron Man fan discusion board and if all the bond boys here dont respect that than bugger off back to your bond boards. If you dont understand why we love IM than youve never read it and wouldnt understand our passion for this film.

[Retroman]

The Bond franchise has been around for over 40 years, the bestselling books even longer than that. It has longevity and its a huge moneymaker despite which actors take on the lead roles.

I asked a couple people what they'd rather see Iron Man or Bond and they all said; Who is Iron Man? I think that says a lot.

[GL's Light]

look this is an Iron Man fan discusion board and if all the bond boys here dont respect that than bugger off back to your bond boards. If you dont understand why we love IM than youve never read it and wouldnt understand our passion for this film.
Nonsense. This isn't about which movie any of us would personally rather see (I'd much rather watch Iron Man than a Bond film), it's about being realistic about the competition a Bond film poses.

[Hunter Rider]

look this is an Iron Man fan discusion board and if all the bond boys here dont respect that than bugger off back to your bond boards. If you dont understand why we love IM than youve never read it and wouldnt understand our passion for this film.

That has nothing to do with anything,why is it so hard for people to understand that you can be a fan of more than one thing and also look at things objectively,being a fan has nothing to do with the common sense that Bond is a bigger deal cinematically and opening against it would be a mistake

[Darthphere]

That has nothing to do with anything,why is it so hard for people to understand that you can be a fan of more than one thing and also look at things objectively,being a fan has nothing to do with the common sense that Bond is a bigger deal cinematically and opening against it would be a mistake


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[Cinemaman]

I think IM will beat James Bond 22 with $188m.

But then, BB2 will beat IM.

[FVD]

I'm sure Casino Royale will still be a pretty good film. After all Martin Campbell is directing this. As for Daniel Craig as 007, well I'll decide once I've seen the movie.

[kedrell]

I am 100% sure that these 2 movies won't come out on the same weekend. That would be just nuts for both of them.

[YJ1]

i still am rooting for the film, but he just isnt an A lister.

This guy is no A-lister and he's no James Bond...

http://www.celebrity9.com/img/daniel-craig/daniel-craig-main.jpg

After Casino Royale disappoints at the box office, this won't even be an issue. The only reason the studio staked out this date was to send a vote of confidence Craig's way. It'll be a hallow gesture after the box office numbers hit. Trust me, this actor won't register as Bond with US movie goers.

[Hiruu]

Bah...it's a bit bold of Sony to set the date for a 2nd Bond film, when the first one isn't complete yet, and they don't know if he's a Pierce or Dalton. I think it's Sony's way of jockeying over Spider-Man...it's been a complete love-hate relationship. IF Sony somehow get's the 2nd film complete in time, I'd move Iron Man, as there's TOO much at stakes for games of chicken.

[Octoberist]

all I have to say that Daniel Craig is an ugly James Bond. Fine actor, but no Bond.

I'm keeping an open mind, however, I DON'T think the mainstream will. I will predict that SONY will get some cold feet and move the date away from Iron Man.

[CConn]

What I don't think most people are realizing is, this isn't about who "beats" who. No matter who wins the weekend or overall numbers, if they're released on the same day, both films' box office will be hurt. For that reason alone somebody's has to move.

[COME ON !]

all I have to say that Daniel Craig is an ugly James Bond. Fine actor, but no Bond.

I'm keeping an open mind, however, I DON'T think the mainstream will. I will predict that SONY will get some cold feet and move the date away from Iron Man.

If you're a man and heterosexual (i'm just assuming here:) ) what do you care if he's not as "good-looking" as Brosnan ? I just wanna see a cool Bond movie and Craig is a good actor. I've read that the new Bond movies are going in the Jason Bourne direction too, so it all sounds good. I think it will do just as well as the Brosnan movies, if not better at the box office.

Plus, Chris Cornell is doing the the new Bond theme ! I'm looking forward to that.

[YJ1]

Bah...it's a bit bold of Sony to set the date for a 2nd Bond film, when the first one isn't complete yet, and they don't know if he's a Pierce or Dalton. I think it's Sony's way of jockeying over Spider-Man...it's been a complete love-hate relationship. IF Sony somehow get's the 2nd film complete in time, I'd move Iron Man, as there's TOO much at stakes for games of chicken.

I wonder if that Marvel/Sony lawsuit over Spider-Man has anything to do with this? Marvel sued Sony after the first film hit big and claimed that Sony was trying to make Spider-Man their property by advertising it as such. They settled out of court but paid Marvel some big coin and even renegotiated the movie deals. Now that Marvel is standing on their own, I wonder if this is a deliberate shot their way? I know a studio isn't going to base any decision solely on trying to "stick it" to another studio but it may have factored in to their thinking.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I still don't think that they'd miss on the chance to release a 007 film.....in 2007.

I mean, the marketing could write itself. Thhey could easily play with 2007, 22and Bond film and 007.

I'd bet they really would like to make a December 2007 date, but just gave themselves the extra couple of months just in case.

And, I dunno about you guys...the Casino Royale trailers look incredible.

Although, still.....Craig isn't the ahem, greatest looking Bond.

[Manny Calavera]

Reading this thread, and the childish "omg how dare they make and release movies other than iron man!1!!" crap, you would think some of you actually stand to make money from Iron Man or something. Seriously, do any of you honestly even passingly care that another movie may compete with a movie you want to see?

[YJ1]

Reading this thread, and the childish "omg how dare they make and release movies other than iron man!1!!" crap, you would think some of you actually stand to make money from Iron Man or something. Seriously, do any of you honestly even passingly care that another movie may compete with a movie you want to see?

If you want to see an Iron Man 2 or an Avengers film you care. Marvel itself has almost everything riding on the success of their first two or three solo ventures. If they all lose money, Marvel will be in very deep trouble and could very easily lose their rights to those characters. Those character rights are put up as collateral in their 525 million dollar movie producing loan. So, this is a very big deal and hardly childish.

[The Batman]

AD's extreme bias towards marvel rears its ugly head yet again.

When Iron Man is even half the cultural icon james bond is, give me a call. James Bond was as big as the beatles back in its heyday. It's the only franchise that has been consistently running. To say its not a threat to iron man, a movie based on a hero thats not known by the general public, directed by a guy who's movie zathura underperformed, shows how much you know.

[COME ON !]

AD's extreme bias towards marvel rears its ugly head yet again.

When Iron Man is even half the cultural icon james bond is, give me a call. James Bond was as big as the beatles back in its heyday. It's the only franchise that has been consistently running. To say its not a threat to iron man, a movie based on a hero thats not known by the general public, directed by a guy who's movie zathura underperformed, shows how much you know.

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[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's Bond. 007 guys, give the character and that franchise the tip of the cap. I mean, if it weren't still a ticket....then the franchise would be dead.

But, CConn is right. ONE of the films will need to move, b/c BOTH will suffer if they come out at the same time.

Decemeber 2007 is my guess, for 22nd 007.

[Advanced Dark]

Bond has lots to fear from Iron Man. Iron Man is the type of property that will have a huge opening weekend as most comic book films do. Bond won't be able to compete with it. No way in hell. Not with Craig especially. Argue all you want Bond will move or die.

[kytrigger]

And if neither move, then Iron Man will need that huge opening weekend domestically, because it's a pretty safe bet that Bond will soundly beat it and others internationally.

[Hunter Rider]

The level of silly fanboyism is reaching insanity in here

[Manny Calavera]

Iron Man will beat Bond because he's in your favorite comic and because you want a sequel? Wow.

[kaijunexus]

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

[Hunter Rider]

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.

Box office clearly shows they peaked with spiderman

[Manny Calavera]

Bond is old and tired. People just don't care anymore.

Superhero/Comic-book films haven't even reached their ultimate peak yet.

This is a seriously dumb move on Sony's part.
No, that's actually slightly retarded. Punisher, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Catwoman, etc...they "peaked" a while back. The vast majority of people, unless they grew up watching a cartoon of the character as a kid, don't give a damn about their movie coming out in the summer. If Iron Man, a pretty obscure character (sorry to break this to you guys, but if you aren't Spiderman, Batman, Superman, or an Xman, you're obscure to most everyone on the planet) from a comic book isn't going to beat out a movie icon, period. I'm sorry that you guys like his comic or whatever and really think in your heart of hearts that he'll beat Bond if you really believe or something, but that's just not going to happen. Iron Man will be moved or Iron Man will do very, very badly.

[socalsam]

i think bond will change the date and iron man will win

[YJ1]

Box office clearly shows they peaked with spiderman

The box office clearly shows that all four Brosnan Bond films averaged $129 million each domestic box office. (518 million total divided by 4)

That places a new era Bond film with a POPULAR actor behind even Hulk totals. Just in the last four years, Marvel itself has had SEVEN movies that have easily beaten that total.

The fact is, Brosnan was a good Bond that the public accepted. Craig is a no-name joke that will be rejected soundly by American movie audiences. Mark my words and fear the numbers.

[WTFwuzThT]

If Favreau doesn't **** things up between now and the release date I'm looking for this movie to be big. If the movie holds true to the teaser I think this flick will pull in even non-comic patrons. The Iron Man look is just plain inspired as far as comic movies go. The only other costume that can hold a candle to this is Spider-Man. I firmly believe that if a director can grasp the idea that he doesn't need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to these types of movies then he, and we as fans, will be light years ahead of the game. I hope he continues on his current path cause this is gonna be money.

[TheVileOne]

Once again, this is a huge overestimation by the fanboys.

This is like when fanboys stupidly proclaimed that Batman Begins would ANNIHLATE Spider-man's record.

[Raiden]

Even though Sony stakes a claim on that date, it may not be set in stone because Casino Royale hasn't been released yet, and there is no telling how well the audience will receive Daniel Craig as the new Bond. Brosnan was a very popular Bond, and his films (despite being mediocre most of the time) raked in the dough for MGM. Although Craig is a good actor, that does not mean his version of Bond will be accepted by Bond enthusiasts.

And let's not forget that only odd-numbered Bond did well at the B.O. (Connery, Moore, Brosnan). The even-numbered ones (Lazenby, Dalton) flamed out early thanks to them having to follow the footsteps of a popular Bond. Craig is Bond #6, and there's a chance that he'll go in the ways of Lazenby and Dalton.

[Hunter Rider]

The box office clearly shows that all four Brosnan Bond films averaged $129 million each domestic box office. (518 million total divided by 4)

That places a new era Bond film with a POPULAR actor behind even Hulk totals. Just in the last four years, Marvel itself has had SEVEN movies that have easily beaten that total.

The fact is, Brosnan was a good Bond that the public accepted. Craig is a no-name joke that will be rejected soundly by American movie audiences. Mark my words and fear the numbers.


A joke because you deem him so not everyone else and also you need to look at the increase in domestic BO for modern era Bond with each movie,the last being the best with $160M domestic
The marvel films you speak of that can boast $160M are big name titles not no name titles like Iron Man

[WTFwuzThT]

I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm not sure how big Casino Royale is going to be. I personally am looking for a flop with this one and this Iron Man movie is going to be attrative to non comic people. It looks good so far and Favreau's name doesn't hurt it. It may not do Spidey type numbers but if this continues the way it is it's going to be big no matter who *****es about fanboy this or fanboy that. It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

I don't give a crap which movie makes the most as i don't get a cut but the fact is logically Iron Man is the underdog with no name recognition and little awareness

[The Batman]

It sounds like DC people are scared this is gonna chase off Batman.

Actually....most bat fans probably dont give a crap about iron man. the only time iron mans been mentioned is in a "2008 competition" thread....started by...Advanced Dark.

So, get over yourself. And Batman wasnt mentioned in this thread either.

[Ironfan72]

WOW, whats up with the bitterness and hatred to others here. It is a nice debate about the competetion, for two movies that come out almost 2 years from now, both movies will be fine, if Iron Man moves or if Bond moves, does it really matter in the end.
I'm a huge Iron Man fan and it wouldn't bother me in the least if Iron man moves, what ever, I've waited a long time to see the movie a extra couple weeks will not hurt me, but the unnessary slamming of Iron man and how well known he is, I appreciate the Batman fans passion, but to say that most Batman fans don't give a crap about Iron Man is unnessary, and disrespectiful to the hardcore Iron Man fans who have waited along time for this movie.
Lets show a little more respect for each other, I don't come on other superhero boards and slam them, please don't come here and attack this superhero movie.
Just my 2 cents.

[Darthphere]

Ironfan, thats a nice statement, but the ironman fans fired the first shot. Im looking forward to Iron Man and the Bond movies, so I could care less which makes more money as long as I get two good flicks.

[Ironfan72]

Ironfan, thats a nice statement, but the ironman fans fired the first shot. Im looking forward to Iron Man and the Bond movies, so I could care less which makes more money as long as I get two good flicks.

I'm looking forward to both films as well, lets just be civil about the debate.

[GL's Light]

I'm looking forward to Iron Man a lot more than Bond, but if Casino Royale is a hit then Iron Man will have to move to another release date. If Casino Royale disappoints, then Iron Man can stay put (unless some other behemoth blockbuster comes along and stakes out that release date, too). Simple as that.

[Ironman24]

I'm looking forward to Iron Man a lot more than Bond, but if Casino Royale is a hit then Iron Man will have to move to another release date. If Casino Royale disappoints, then Iron Man can stay put (unless some other behemoth blockbuster comes along and stakes out that release date, too). Simple as that.

:up: agreed

[WTFwuzThT]

Yeah, after the last bond movie they are going to have to go far and wide to redeem themselves because it sucked some major ass. On the other hand I think this movie is going to have an appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. IF the costume is as advertised then I think people will take notice and I definately think the story is bankable. This movie is in in win win situation at the moment with the first teaser. If it later comes out and it looks like IM is a guy in a trash can with pvc arms and legs then no it's going to flop.

[Advanced Dark]

No Bond film has ever had appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. Comic book films if done right appeal to a huge audience including young fans, old fans, action movie fans, etc...James Bond appeal is limited hence no 200 million dollar box office ever. Brosnan will be the peak of popularity for Bond for many years to come. Craig is dull.

[Hunter Rider]

Craig is dull.
No that is just your little weapon in this silly debate
No Marvel movie outside the big ones (Spidey 1/2 and X Men 2/3) has made as much in the US as Die Another Day did

[COME ON !]

No Bond film has ever had appeal that goes beyond comic book movies. Comic book films if done right appeal to a huge audience including young fans, old fans, action movie fans, etc...James Bond appeal is limited hence no 200 million dollar box office ever. Brosnan will be the peak of popularity for Bond for many years to come. Craig is dull.

That's your opinion of Craig. Other people may have a different one. I think the trailer is looking great and i'm really looking forward to Casino Royale. I heard that they are taking the movie in the Bourne direction, with more realism etc, and i'm all for that.

[YJ1]

This is like when fanboys stupidly proclaimed that Batman Begins would ANNIHLATE Spider-man's record.

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Darthphere]

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


Youre the one underestimating Bond, and no one is under esitimating Iron Man.

[Hunter Rider]

Funny you should mention Spider-Man. A better analogy would be to say that this is similar to people underestimating Spider-Man back in 2002. I remember people saying that kids don't like Spider-Man any more and that Harry Potter and Star Wars would ANNIHLATE him. People were actually claiming that The Sum of All Fears would beat Spider-Man. Both were May releases and both were two weeks removed from Star Wars Ep 2. Sum of All fears featured a well known and successful espionage character based off best selling books and prior hit movies. Sound familiar? Ben Affleck is no Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig is no Pierce Brosnan. While Iron Man is no Spider-Man either, the character and the concept will resonate with many. Keep underestimating Iron Man and keep overestimating Bond. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

History shows that no Marvel character outside the big 2 have made as much as Die Another Day,Iron Man is looking for F4 numbers at best for it's first time out

[Advanced Dark]

That's a weak way of putting it. Besides Marvel has NOT release a studio film yet so we haven't seen a film with Marvel's personal big push behind it. It's always been other studios with Avi commenting on the sidelines. We also have a very talented director attached who has lots of pull as far as getting top talent to join in if needed. Also no other Bond film has made as much as Die Another Day either. So comparing Bond's #1 film to Marvel films yet dismissing Marvel's top 5 films is hilarious. Iron Man has potential to hit 200 million with the talent, the character, and the May release date. Casino Royale has a new uninteresting actor who's the worst casting choice I've ever seen. He's not popular like Brosnan and will never have that appeal. Brosnan had it with Remington Steel and before. He was a fan favorite to be bond. Craig? Who the hell is he? Not many women (who are a big part of Bond's box office) are hot for Craig here in the US. Brosnan was a major sex symbol and drew in decent size crowds of women as well as men.

[Darthphere]

That's a weak way of putting it. Besides Marvel has NOT release a studio film yet so we haven't seen a film with Marvel's personal big push behind it. It's always been other studios with Avi commenting on the sidelines. We also have a very talented director attached who has lots of pull as far as getting top talent to join in if needed. Also no other Bond film has made as much as Die Another Day either. So comparing Bond's #1 film to Marvel films yet dismissing Marvel's top 5 films is hilarious. Iron Man has potential to hit 200 million with the talent, the character, and the May release date.


Yes it does, nobody is denying that as HR said those are FF level numbers.

[Advanced Dark]

Yes it does, nobody is denying that as HR said those are FF level numbers.

200 million is not FF #'s domestically. FF made just over 154 million.

[Hunter Rider]

Iron Man has a director with zero experience in these types of film and the character has little to no mainstream awareness not to mention marketing comes no bigger than Fox so that won't be an issue

[Hypestyle]

i hope that the next bond movie (after casino) ends up having production delays, so that the movie can be postponed until a later date.. i'd rather that the bond franchise thrive, but not at the expense of Iron Man..

[Darthphere]

i hope that the next bond movie (after casino) ends up having production delays, so that the movie can be postponed until a later date.. i'd rather that the bond franchise thrive, but not at the expense of Iron Man..


I think it might get a huge push if CR is a success to come out late 2007.

[YJ1]

History shows that no Marvel character outside the big 2 have made as much as Die Another Day,Iron Man is looking for F4 numbers at best for it's first time out

So is Casino Royale. The question is who will get those FF type numbers?

Dressing up a dead horse like James Bond with an average no name goon or a fresh and original concept like Iron Man? My money is on Iron Man.

By the way do you really want to play the numbers game? Outside the big 1 you keep mentioning, no Bond film has made as much as Fantastic Four. Even then, Die Another Day barely beats it and that no doubt is because of the Halle Berry (of X-Men fame) factor, not James Bond.

[Darthphere]

So is Casino Royale. The question is who will get those FF type numbers?

Dressing up a dead horse like James Bond with an average no name goon or a fresh and original concept like Iron Man? My money is on Iron Man.

By the way do you really want to play the numbers game? Outside the big 1 you keep mentioning, no Bond film has made as much as Fantastic Four. Even then, Die Another Day barely beats it and that no doubt is because of the Halle Berry (of X-Men fame) factor, not James Bond.


Catwoman broke box office records.:up:

[Hunter Rider]

So is Casino Royale. The question is who will get those FF type numbers?

Dressing up a dead horse like James Bond with an average no name goon or a fresh and original concept like Iron Man? My money is on Iron Man.

By the way do you really want to play the numbers game? Outside the big 1 you keep mentioning, no Bond film has made as much as Fantastic Four. Even then, Die Another Day barely beats it and that no doubt is because of the Halle Berry (of X-Men fame) factor, not James Bond.

Most of Bond's movies would need to be calculated in inflation and WW to even make it a point,i was going off the latest figures,they are what matters,a franchise with huge awareness and a badass new Bond vs Batman in a iron suit ? DD numbers may be more in Iron Man's sights for his first movie

[YJ1]

Catwoman broke box office records.:up:

X-Men = a Billion Dollar Franchise

X-Men (2000)
Die Another Day (2002)
X2 (2003)

[Darthphere]

I dont even kno why this turning into such a huge debate, one of them is without a doubt going to move, and CR hasnt even come out yet, so we'll have to see how that does. And believe it or not, there are people looking forward to the new Bond movie, and like most mediums most of the haters represent a vocal minority.

[Darthphere]

X-Men = a Billion Dollar Franchise

X-Men (2000)
Die Another Day (2002)
X2 (2003)


Ok, you said Die ANother Day did well at the box office because of Halle Berry. If thats the case Catwoman wouldve been #1 at the box office. And please Storm/Halle Berry were probably the most hated part of the X-Men movies.:o

[Advanced Dark]

Hunter you're being ridiculous now. Comparing a horrible Ben Affleck movie (arguably Marvel's worst major release) released in February while most of the East Coast was burried in a Blizzard to a May 2nd release of a 140 million dollar Iron Man film directed by Jon Favreau. C'mon now.

[Hunter Rider]

X-Men = a Billion Dollar Franchise

X-Men (2000)
Die Another Day (2002)
X2 (2003)

Swordfish 2001-Also starring X man actor Hugh Jackman and John Travolta BO-$69,772,969
She didn't have anything to do with DAD's BO

[Advanced Dark]

Ok, you said Die ANother Day did well at the box office because of Halle Berry. If thats the case Catwoman wouldve been #1 at the box office. And please Storm/Halle Berry were probably the most hated part of the X-Men movies.:o


Halle Berry is not a box office drawn and never has been. She's a non factor. She doesn't help or hurt a box office but makes the films easier to watch...in most cases. :)

[YJ1]

Most of Bond's movies would need to be calculated in inflation and WW to even make it a point,i was going off the latest figures,they are what matters,a franchise with huge awareness and a badass new Bond vs Batman in a iron suit ? DD numbers may be more in Iron Man's sights for his first movie

So ticket prices haven't increased since 2003 when Daredevil was released?

Odds are that Daredevil's domestic beats Casino Royale's domestic take.

Iron Man's will soar past both.

[Hunter Rider]

Hunter you're being ridiculous now. Comparing a horrible Ben Affleck movie (arguably Marvel's worst major release) released in February while most of the East Coast was burried in a Blizzard to a May 2nd release of a 140 million dollar Iron Man film directed by Jon Favreau. C'mon now.
Afflek was a star at that point and got it a huge opening,and it is far from the worst Marvel movie
Iron Man is in the same position of no mainstream awareness and without a big name,$140M ?

[Darthphere]

Hunter you're being ridiculous now. Comparing a horrible Ben Affleck movie (arguably Marvel's worst major release) released in February while most of the East Coast was burried in a Blizzard to a May 2nd release of a 140 million dollar Iron Man film directed by Jon Favreau. C'mon now.


You throw around Jon Favreau's name like hes a big time director or something, he isnt Spielberg man, his name alone wont bring people to the theatres, damn your bias/fanboyism is hilarious.

[COME ON !]

Hunter you're being ridiculous now. Comparing a horrible Ben Affleck movie (arguably Marvel's worst major release) released in February while most of the East Coast was burried in a Blizzard to a May 2nd release of a 140 million dollar Iron Man film directed by Jon Favreau. C'mon now.

Is that the confirmed budget ?

[Darthphere]

Halle Berry is not a box office drawn and never has been. She's a non factor. She doesn't help or hurt a box office but makes the films easier to watch...in most cases. :)


I know this, shes one hot momma, but for YJ1 to bring out her name like if she sells tickets is ridiculous, at least you see this.

[Hunter Rider]

So ticket prices haven't increased since 2003 when Daredevil was released?

Odds are that Daredevil's domestic beats Casino Royale's domestic take.

Iron Man's will soar past both.

What you want as a marvel fanatic and what happens are 2 very different things

[Advanced Dark]

The bottom line: Crag does not have the box office draw of Pierce Brosnan who revitalized the franchise. He's horribly miscast, and Bond has never been consistently a blockbuster franchise though it's always been good enough to keep going.

[Hunter Rider]

The bottom line: Crag does not have the box office draw of Pierce Brosnan who revitalized the franchise. He's horribly miscast, and Bond has never been consistently a blockbuster franchise though it's always been good enough to keep going.

Brosnan has never drawn a dime outside the Bond movies,why is Craig miscast ? because he's not a pretty boy ?

[GL's Light]

FF level box office is a realistic target for Iron Man. Which means that Marvel should keep the budget to around $ 100-110 million, rather than letting it inflate to $ 140 million (and where exactly did AD get that figure from?).

[Darthphere]

The bottom line: Crag does not have the box office draw of Pierce Brosnan who revitalized the franchise. He's horribly miscast, and Bond has never been consistently a blockbuster franchise though it's always been good enough to keep going.


LOL! Back to square one. Sorry thats an opinion, not fact. We'll get the facts one Casino Royale's box office numbers come in.

[COME ON !]

The bottom line: Crag does not have the box office draw of Pierce Brosnan who revitalized the franchise. He's horribly miscast, and Bond has never been consistently a blockbuster franchise though it's always been good enough to keep going.

That's just your opinion of Craig, and the numbers say you are wrong.

[YJ1]

She didn't have anything to do with DAD's BO

And yet the only thing anyone remembers from this dumb as dirt movie is this tribute scene...

http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/71872.jpg

Which they showed in every commercial. I'm sure it didn't sell any tickets. :rolleyes:



What you want as a marvel fanatic and what happens are 2 very different things

We'll see won't we. Like AD said, DD had many things working against it yet it still broke 100 million domestic. Let's see if Casino Royale breaks that mark.

[Darthphere]

And yet the only thing anyone remembers from this dumb as dirt movie is this tribute scene...

http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/71872.jpg

Which they showed in every commercial. I'm sure it didn't sell any tickets. :rolleyes:


They couldve had any other hot chick in that same scene and it wouldve made the same amount. Point is sex sells tickets, not Halle Berry.

[Hunter Rider]

And yet the only thing anyone remembers from this dumb as dirt movie is this tribute scene...

http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/71872.jpg

Which they showed in every commercial. I'm sure it didn't sell any tickets. :rolleyes:

.

Yes because net porn is not easy to access and Her drawing power is zilch but everyone handed over money for something they could get for free,try again
She got her tits out in Swordfish and it made $70M domestic even with Travolta and Jackman

[YJ1]

They couldve had any other hot chick in that same scene and it wouldve made the same amount. Point is sex sells tickets, not Halle Berry.

Love to see the Civil War avatar...NICE! (Especially Yellowjacket mixing it up with Goliath!)

Sex sells and Halle is sexy as hell. I'm not saying she made the X-Men films or even was a good Storm (she wasn't) but a lot of African Americans will pay to see her do anything. Does this add up to a large percentage of box office? No, but it does account for some. Enough to push a movie from 155 million domestic to 160 million domestic at least.

[Advanced Dark]

That's just your opinion of Craig, and the numbers say you are wrong.

Really? How did Layer Cake do here in the US with all the great reviews? Craig is not a box office draw. Brosnan is. Now Bond is a draw for sure but not to the level of potential that Iron Man is as far as Box Office for a single film. Iron Man has more appeal.

[Hunter Rider]

Really? How did Layer Cake do here in the US with all the great reviews? Craig is not a box office draw. Brosnan is. Now Bond is a draw for sure but not to the level of potential that Iron Man is as far as Box Office for a single film. Iron Man has more appeal.

How is Brosnan a draw ? where are all of the hits he's had outside of Bond ?the character sells the movies not him and again with "Iron Man has more appeal" how ? he has not had any movie success to prove this,he may do F4 numbers but he may do DD numbers,your just showing your bias

[Advanced Dark]

Brosnan as Bond was a huge draw. There's no denying that. All the bond fans couldn't wait for him to get the job and neither could he. He was slick, good looking and perfect casting. He was also very popular before Bond. Craig has none of this going for him in my opinion and it's just a fact that Brosnan revitalized the franchise. While Dalton was very good he didn't have the mass appeal or charm that Brosnan brought to the table. Craig to me is a step below Dalton and a step above Roger Moore.

[Hunter Rider]

The character sells Bond otherwise the guy you claim is below Craig wouldn't have made 7 movies as Bond
Brosnan has no real hits outside the Bond franchise

[Advanced Dark]

Of course the character sells Bond but it was Brosnan's appeal that brought the box office up to where it was. Brosnan had more commercial appeal than Roger Moore, or Timothy Dalton, and certainly more than Craig. Bond will not stand up well to any well known comic book character film with Craig. If Brosnan had stayed for one more film it might hurt but trust me when I say this...Bond will move. I guarantee it.

[COME ON !]

Of course the character sells Bond but it was Brosnan's appeal that brought the box office up to where it was. Brosnan had more commercial appeal than Roger Moore, or Timothy Dalton, and certainly more than Craig. Bond will not stand up well to any well known comic book character film with Craig. If Brosnan had stayed for one more film it might hurt but trust me when I say this...Bond will move. I guarantee it.

If it doesn't, what do we win ?

[Hunter Rider]

Show me where Craig has failed as Bond ? Bond sells Bond irrespective of whose in the Tux,Lazenby proved that
Now show me where Iron Man has any mainstream awareness or any reason to expect the kind of opening you are claiming ?

[Darthphere]

Really? How did Layer Cake do here in the US with all the great reviews? Craig is not a box office draw. Brosnan is. Now Bond is a draw for sure but not to the level of potential that Iron Man is as far as Box Office for a single film. Iron Man has more appeal.


This is a ridiculous argument consiodering Layer Cake got little to no advertising in the states, it was only a limited release and was pretty much an indie film.

[GL's Light]

Roger Moore had plenty of commercial appeal as Bond. His Bond films were routinely amongst the top grossers of their respective years of release. If he hadn't been a very successful draw for the series they wouldn't have kept him on for so long.

Most of the actors who have played Bond haven't been major box office draws outside of the franchise. Connery is the exception. Moore and Brosnan were major draws as Bond, but not as anything else. There was a lot of initial skepticism about Craig - but early indicators are that he'll be a good Bond after all.

[WTFwuzThT]

My problem's not with Craig but the fact that the franchise is played the **** out. At this point it's like trying to make another next generation star trek movie. The last bond was complete **** and it had brosnan in it. I just don't think that the people in charge of doing these movies have any idea what people would like to see. There was so much about the last one that was laughable and stupid it hurts. People are gonna remember this and I don't think it's gonna do well. IM on the other hand is going to be original and new and I think very well done. It all adds up to not much hope for bond.

[Darren Daring]

That's just your opinion of Craig, and the numbers say you are wrong.

Are you serious? Daniel Craig is 94 times less the movie star that Pierce Brosnan is.

[Hunter Rider]

WOW, whats up with the bitterness and hatred to others here. It is a nice debate about the competetion, for two movies that come out almost 2 years from now, both movies will be fine, if Iron Man moves or if Bond moves, does it really matter in the end.
I'm a huge Iron Man fan and it wouldn't bother me in the least if Iron man moves, what ever, I've waited a long time to see the movie a extra couple weeks will not hurt me, but the unnessary slamming of Iron man and how well known he is, I appreciate the Batman fans passion, but to say that most Batman fans don't give a crap about Iron Man is unnessary, and disrespectiful to the hardcore Iron Man fans who have waited along time for this movie.
Lets show a little more respect for each other, I don't come on other superhero boards and slam them, please don't come here and attack this superhero movie.
Just my 2 cents.

I just wanted to go back to this post to make a point,i can see where you are coming from and i am really looking forward to Iron Man and hope it does well enough for a franchise to be made as he is one of my fav characters,so sorry if you felt your character was being bashed,my posts are about what i believe objectively will happen at the BO nothing more,i don't know whether i will like Craig as Bond yet nor do i know Fav will cast a guy i can get behind as Stark

[Advanced Dark]

This is a ridiculous argument consiodering Layer Cake got little to no advertising in the states, it was only a limited release and was pretty much an indie film.

That's my point too. Craig's films have all been limited releases out here and pretty much indie films with little advertising. I'm not saying he's a bad actor or anything his star is nowhere near as bright as Pierce Brosnans. Now he could do great and surprise everyone and make a great Bond but Brosnan was always a fan favorite and his name alone in the Bond franchise helped sell more tickets than usual. He was a perfect fit for that. Just like you put Bruce Willis in a die hard film it draws big crowds but throw him in some other drama and it doesn't do well. Die Hard wouldn't do well without Willis and Willis doesn't usually do so hot without it with exceptions of course. Craig possibly has more appeal in some countries over Brosnan who knows but he's miscast in my opinion. This is the reason I feel Bond is no threat to Iron Man besides the fact Iron Man will be much further into production and will show Sony how much of a threat it is at the box office. I'd say the same thing if Bond was going up against Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, or any major comic book movie. Brosnan brought Bond to a higher level and enabled the franchise to enjoy higher budgets. Craig will benefit from this but putting Bond up against this kind of film is stupid. Sony should place a Comedy in that slot for counter-programming not another action/spy film. Dumb move. Even Favreau said Sony will have it's hands full doing this when they see what's coming.This is so clear to me as I knew someone would give in with FF vs Tranformers and FF had weak ground to stand on.

[Advanced Dark]

If it doesn't, what do we win ?


What do you want? :)

[COME ON !]

What do you want? :)

Respect and credibility !:D

[Advanced Dark]

i already respect you and don't think your not credible...yet. ;)

[COME ON !]

i already respect you and don't think your not credible...yet. ;)

Hehe, so I have developed some major Hype cred already ?Cool :D :p

[Advanced Dark]

LOL nothing major but I don't disrespect anyone till I'm disrespected. However I can forgive and forget as well. I don't hold grudges too long.

[COME ON !]

LOL nothing major but I don't disrespect anyone till I'm disrespected. However I can forgive and forget as well. I don't hold grudges too long.

I'll try to stay on your good side:D

[Advanced Dark]

Just found this on myspace.

Posted: Jul 26, 2006 6:58 PM

I just got back from San Diego. The Marvel panel was great. The crowd seemed to really dig that we hired Adi Granov to help with the suit design. He joined the panel and got an enthusiastic response. He is listed in my top 8 if you want to send him a post. We signed the teaser poster he drew at the Marvel booth until the line was gone. It lasted well over an hour.

For those of you who haven't heard, Mandarin will be the villian. But don't expect a magical Fu Manchu stereotype. We are taking many liberties to update the villian. He will still size up as Stark's nemesis, but we're throwing in a few surprises for the fans of the books.

I also heard the James Bond has since planned to release its next installment on our same date: May 2, 2008. The only weekend of 2008 taken, I might add. I'm sort of surprised by the move by Sony as I'm sure we share some of the same audience. It feels like two cars fighting over the same spot in an empty parking lot. I guess they expect us to move. I really don't get it.

I had dinner with Joe Quesada and Joss Whedon. What great company. We spoke about Iron Man, Civil War, and Wonder Woman.

-JON FAVREAU

[TheVileOne]

Here's what the Kool-Aid drinkers are in denial about.

It doesn't matter if Craig is a draw or not. It doesn't matter if he's dull.

The Bond movies are a PROVEN BO draw.

And guess what's not? IRON MAN. IRON MAN is NOT a proven box office draw.

Bond has a longer history than Iron Man as well.

Also just because Marvel sheep feel that Craig is dull doesn't mean the majority of moviegoers will.

Brosnan wasn't exactly a draw before he became Bond either.

[Advanced Dark]

Here's what the Kool-Aid drinkers are in denial about.

It doesn't matter if Craig is a draw or not. It doesn't matter if he's dull.

The Bond movies are a PROVEN BO draw.

And guess what's not? IRON MAN. IRON MAN is NOT a proven box office draw.

Bond has a longer history than Iron Man as well.

Also just because Marvel sheep feel that Craig is dull doesn't mean the majority of moviegoers will.

Brosnan wasn't exactly a draw before he became Bond either.

Bond since the late 80's has not been a big draw until Brosnan came in who was well respected and perfect for the role. You say Iron Man is not proven...neither is Craig. Marvel's characters in the bigger franchises have proven themselves to be box office winners even with bad reviews. Iron Man is not Elektra. It's getting a big budget, has a solid director, and is a well known character. He's recognizeable to people in several generations. Bond is clearly more of a veteran of the big screen but without Brosnan and with someone like Craig I think it'll die. I'll put my money on Favreau, Iron Man, & Marvel over Bond & Craig any day. And Brosnan wasn't a big draw in his other films like I mentioned before but he was meant to play Bond. He was perfect and when the two pieces of the puzzle came together it was box office gold. Will Bond 21 make money...of course. Can it compete with Iron Man...I don't see it. Iron Man is unproven but it's also a fresh idea for a live action film and if they can pull off that suit convincingly on film and show it's powers and flight action...I think it'll wreck Bond and I think Sony knows this. Sony moved Ghost Rider when it knew it was in the wrong league against Pirates 2 which was clearly a great move. They say it wasn't ready but the competition was too fierce. I don't see Bond as enough of a threat for Iron Man to move and I think Sony will see that they're throwing Craig out to the wolves. Bond will chicken out when details on Iron Man keep leaking out.

[Advanced Dark]

Here's what the Kool-Aid drinkers are in denial about.

It doesn't matter if Craig is a draw or not. It doesn't matter if he's dull.

The Bond movies are a PROVEN BO draw.

And guess what's not? IRON MAN. IRON MAN is NOT a proven box office draw.

Bond has a longer history than Iron Man as well.

Also just because Marvel sheep feel that Craig is dull doesn't mean the majority of moviegoers will.

Brosnan wasn't exactly a draw before he became Bond either.

Coolaid drinkers and marvel sheep huh? Care to post one of your pics here from myspace Jeff? You were quoting things I said and then referencing those quotes to the names above correct? I'm no sheep considering I own a nice little stake in Marvel as well as a list of other companies including TWX (had to point that out again). Don't know too many sheep with 12,000 shares of Marvel...do you?

[TheVileOne]

Bond since the late 80's has not been a big draw until Brosnan came in who was well respected and perfect for the role. You say Iron Man is not proven...neither is Craig.

Irrelevant. Bond is a proven franchise. People will see Bond movies because it's Bond.

Daniel Craig is ALSO well respected. For movies like Layer Cake and Munich. Layer Cake proved that Craig can carry a dark and gritty movie. Something Oded Fehr someone who you think is perfect for Iron Man has never done.

Marvel's characters in the bigger franchises have proven themselves to be box office winners even with bad reviews.

Outside of X-men and Spider-man they truly haven't.

Where's this Punisher sequel people on the forums are always talking about?

Daredevil sequels?

Iron Man is not Elektra. It's getting a big budget, has a solid director, and is a well known character.

So what? Superman Returns had all those things, Superman is more known than Iron Man. It had a big budget, a great director, and THE ORIGINAL COMIC BOOK SUPERHERO CHARACTER. The movie still underperformed at the box office.

He's recognizeable to people in several generations. Bond is clearly more of a veteran of the big screen but without Brosnan and with someone like Craig I think it'll die. I'll put my money on Favreau, Iron Man, & Marvel over Bond & Craig any day.

Bond has been recognizable long before Iron Man was.

I'm still not seeing any truly legitimate reasons for this silly argument.

[Advanced Dark]

Irrelevant. Bond is a proven franchise. People will see Bond movies because it's Bond.

Daniel Craig is ALSO well respected. For movies like Layer Cake and Munich. Layer Cake proved that Craig can carry a dark and gritty movie. Something Oded Fehr someone who you think is perfect for Iron Man has never done.



Outside of X-men and Spider-man they truly haven't.

Where's this Punisher sequel people on the forums are always talking about?

Daredevil sequels?



So what? Superman Returns had all those things, Superman is more known than Iron Man. It had a big budget, a great director, and THE ORIGINAL COMIC BOOK SUPERHERO CHARACTER. The movie still underperformed at the box office.



Bond has been recognizable long before Iron Man was.

I'm still not seeing any truly legitimate reasons for this silly argument.

Bond is proven but not as a blockbuster except with Brosnan. Marvel has proven itself enough times. Even though Hulk had no legs if it opened up against any particular film it would have been swallowed and spit out and after the first week or two it wouldn't matter anymore. If Bond and Iron Man open on the same day which film do you think is more likely to have the bigger opening weekend honestly? Fantastic Four was also a success. I'm only referring to the large budget Marvel films not the ones like Punisher and while Daredevil has no sequel it opened huge on a February weekend during a massive East Coast storm to like 48 million back in 2002. The problem for Bond is studios make their money opening weekend and the 2nd weekend for the most part. If a Marvel film comes out and it has a decent budget more than likely it'll make 60 million on opening weekend in today's market. Fantastic Four did it, Hulk did it, Daredevil did 48 in February, all the X's did it, and the 2 Spiderman's. Favreau is also a very popular director in the industry and with the fans. If you're in the studio offices for both of these films Sony has more to fear. Brosnan was a huge benefit to the box office as Bond. I honestly can't imagine Casino Royale doing more that 40 million opening weekend if it opened by itself. Now put Iron Man next to it. A popular Marvel character, a member of the Avengers, a cartoon series coming out before the film, etc...Now we also do NOT know who is being cast as Tony Stark yet either. That will play less of a factor for Iron Man since Iron Man is the attraction to the general audiences out there. Now imagine the perfect Bond trailer next to the perfect Iron Man trailer. I seriously don't know anyone who would choose Bond over Iron Man, or Bond over Green Lantern, or Bond over The Flash, or Bond over any big budget comic films like this. These are the films people wait all winter for.

[Advanced Dark]

Bond has been recognizable long before Iron Man was.

I'm still not seeing any truly legitimate reasons for this silly argument.

Are you capable of debating something with someone without talking down to them? Is Iron Man less recognizeable than Fantastic Four? Is Fantastic Four less recognizeable than Batman? Superman? None of those films went seriously head to head w/FF but Fantastic Four had larger opening weekends than any of those films so if they would have gone head to head they both would have lost equally. Batman would not done nearly as well, and Superman would have been hurt real bad. Who the hell was Shrek before his first film came out? Jack Sparrow? I think Iron Man is recognizeable enough and the trailer should make the awarenss level jump quite high. So pitting IM against Bond is the silly thing.

[GL's Light]

Both Iron Man and Bond have the capacity to deliver $ 50 million plus opening weekends in that May slot. But they can't both achieve that if they go head-to-head. One of them will move, and if Casino Royale proves that a Daniel Craig Bond film can keep up Brosnan's level of box office, then Iron Man, as the unproven franchise, will likely be the one to do so (and I'd be saying the same thing if it was The Flash or Wonder Woman slated for release against a Bond film). We'll have a better handle on this once we see the numbers Casino Royale delivers in November.

[TheVileOne]

Bond is proven but not as a blockbuster except with Brosnan.

Wrong. The Connery and Moore films were also blockbusters.

Marvel has proven itself enough times. Even though Hulk had no legs if it opened up against any particular film it would have been swallowed and spit out and after the first week or two it wouldn't matter anymore.

No it hasn't. Spider-man and The X-men have.

Other than those, none of those films have made more money than the most popular Bond films.

If Bond and Iron Man open on the same day which film do you think is more likely to have the bigger opening weekend honestly? Fantastic Four was also a success.

It depends. If Casino Royale performs well, I'd say the odds clearly lay in 007's favor.

The Pacifier was also a success, what's your point?

I'm only referring to the large budget Marvel films not the ones like Punisher and while Daredevil has no sequel it opened huge on a February weekend during a massive East Coast storm to like 48 million back in 2002.

Ugh whatever. Daredevil was NOT a low budget movie. It cost close to $80 million.

Arad called Elektra the "first sequel" to Daredevil.

a Marvel film comes out and it has a decent budget more than likely it'll make 60 million on opening weekend in today's market. Fantastic Four did it, Hulk did it, Daredevil did 48 in February, all the X's did it, and the 2 Spiderman's.

Fantastic Four didn't make $60 million opening weekend. X-men didn't either.

Favreau is also a very popular director in the industry and with the fans.

So what? So is Joss Whedon.

If you're in the studio offices for both of these films Sony has more to fear. Brosnan was a huge benefit to the box office as Bond. I honestly can't imagine Casino Royale doing more than 40 million opening weekend if it opened by itself.

With inflation and everything that's probably not much different than the opening weekends of most of the Brosnan movies. These movies are also worldwide phenomenons and box office draws.

Now put Iron Man next to it. A popular Marvel character, a member of the Avengers, a cartoon series coming out before the film, etc...Now we also do NOT know who is being cast as Tony Stark yet either.

All that pales in comparison and means dick with respects to Bond.

Bond set the standards that Iron Man follows. People recognize the image of Bond walking in the gun barrell more than Iron Man and the Avengers.

Your top choice is a lot duller than Daniel Craig. Unlike Craig he's not proven he has versatility and can carry a movie like he can. You've got no right to talk crap about Daniel Craig like this, and there's no basis for it if you are going to boast that a supporting player for life can play Iron Man.

That will play less of a factor for Iron Man since Iron Man is the attraction to the general audiences out there. Now imagine the perfect Bond trailer next to the perfect Iron Man trailer. I seriously don't know anyone who would choose Bond over Iron Man, or Bond over Green Lantern, or Bond over The Flash, or Bond over any big budget comic films like this. These are the films people wait all winter for.

I'm not sure where you are pulling this from.

I see no concrete proof here just flimsy opinions.

The Bond movies are also movies people wait all winter to see.

[TheVileOne]

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[batman7289]

Someone is gonna blink....only question is who? I will guess Iron Man will be moved, but if the new Bond fails or disappoints, then Bond probably will.
i dont think so

[batman7289]

but iron man will totally kick ass

[TheVileOne]

One will have to move one way or the other.

[gimmen64]

Yeah, I'm ready for Iron Man. I don't want to see Bond.....that franchise is gonna suck. Iron Man will no doubt be a movie I will see!

[TheVileOne]

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

[Hunter Rider]

Fav asks a good question,with all the open space in 2008 why open in direct competition ?
I think Bond has the advantage but what will happen regardless of who wins is both will lose potential revenue due to the pointlessness of Sony's actions

[YJ1]

Can it compete with Iron Man...I don't see it. Iron Man is unproven but it's also a fresh idea for a live action film and if they can pull off that suit convincingly on film and show it's powers and flight action...I think it'll wreck Bond and I think Sony knows this. Sony moved Ghost Rider when it knew it was in the wrong league against Pirates 2 which was clearly a great move.

Sony doesn't really know it yet but they'll learn. What's strange is that they're setting themselves up for failure either way. Casino Royale will open to disappointing numbers. The question is if they immediately push back Bond 22 will it look like they have no faith in Craig and the franchise? People may interpret it that way if they move. If they stay stubborn and don't move, Iron Man will blow it out of the water. An IRONic catch 22 as it were.

Advanced Dark hits the nail right on the head by correctly labeling Iron Man a revolutionary fresh idea. That will be Iron Man's big advantage. People here have touted Bond's long history. Trust me, that's not an advantage. People have been oversaturated with Bond and a "been there and done that" attitude will set in when they see that they replaced generation X's James Bond with a no-name nobody. Wait five minutes and somewhere on cable they're showing James Bond done right (Connery or Brosnan). Flip the channels all you want, you'll not see the likes of Iron Man anywhere. Fresh, compelling and cool beats a stale rehash every time. An even bigger icon in Superman (with 100 million dollar advertising budget behind it) found this out the hard way. Bond/Sony will to if they stay stubborn and stupid. That's a bad combination in any endeavor.

[Hunter Rider]

Iron Man isn't a revolutoionary fresh idea

[josh8]

i'm sorry, but i cant take Advanced Dark seriously because he's the one that is SOOOO SURE that GR is going to open to $60-70 million! i think everyone can smell that bomb from a mile away.

i think Iron Man is a bigger draw then Daredevil just because he's a high concept character with a lot of flash and cool imagery. for that alone, he could get at least a $40 million opening, without any starpower. and if well made and marketed well, it could do much more.

however, all this Bond-bashing is rediculous. first of all, Brosnan is not a draw at all outside of the 007 movies. anyone remember "the matador"? who'e excited for "bee season"? so even with name recognition his movies still make the same much as Craig's movies. so dont blame Craig for anything yet. he is untested. i'm almost sure he can pull it off. if you've seen his work, you'd agree with me. that guy is damn charismatic in his movies. so the bond franchise will probably do just as fine as it always does.

SO, if Casino Royale does appropriate business, Iron Man will have to vacate the May 2008 spot. a Bond movie launching the summer will make Marvel blink. Marvel is launching their movie studio and they cant take any risks.

[Advanced Dark]

^ I think Ghost Rider will open with at least 60 million. If Daredevil can do 48 million with with an East Coast Blizzard in 2002, and Hitch can make just under 60 million, then a Nic Cage Ghost Rider can make 60 million in 2007 dollars. It's a holiday weekend...No problem. The great thing about that date is there will be no other major action film release near it, and the movie is visually stunning. The new clips show some amazing progress in the F/X. After a long winter with no movies like this, and after Ghost Rider we have to wait 3 more months for Spiderman...it's gonna sell big. Now whether or not Ghost Rider will have legs or not...that's another story because nobody's seen the film yet. I don't think you can speak for everyone Josh saying that everyone smells a bomb. You're way off. Also nobody is bashing bond. I love the bond franchise, it's just so obvious what Pierce Brosnan did for the franchise creating boatloads of new fans. Now that he's leaving we have Craig. He's boring to me. He's an unknown as much as Iron Man is on the big screen. Craig is not the star Brosnan is. Maybe he's a better actor who knows...but he's not a box office draw yet. Can Bond overcome that with a great story and face off Iron Man...I say no way. You disagree.

[COME ON !]

I agree, Ghost Rider has the potential for a 60 mill OW, maybe even more.

[Advanced Dark]

I can't wait to see the next trailer. Probably around November/December. I think 60 million is a low figure considering the competition. It's gonna be the first big Summer film...in February. Presidents day has proven to be a very solid date lately. Over those 4 days GR could suprise many people.

[COME ON !]

November/December you say ? Cool. Looking forward to that too:up:

Btw, who is GR going up against ?

[Advanced Dark]

Blackheart and Co. I'm just guessing about Nov/Dec. Probably have loads of trailers during the NFL playoffs too.

[COME ON !]

Blackheart and Co. I'm just guessing about Nov/Dec. Probably have loads of trailers during the NFL playoffs too.

I meant which other movies is Ghost Rider going up against ?:)

[Advanced Dark]

Most big action films aren't ready for that type of release date. They're barely having the time to finish them let alone make a Feb release date. GR has no real major competition. There will be no 100+ million dollar action film anywhere's near it.

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Young Hannibal might be ok but that's the week before. Superhero! blah, Smokin Aces could be ok but nothing near the caliber of GR.

[COME ON !]

Most big action films aren't ready for that type of release date. They're barely having the time to finish them let alone make a Feb release date. GR has no real major competition. There will be no 100+ million dollar action film anywhere's near it.

Ok, cool. Let's hope it's goooooood.

[Advanced Dark]

^ If you remember the early footage of GR it looked like crap and rumors were it was a 40 million dollar pic. Then the new footage came out and we find out it's a 140 million dollar pic. Then we see the trailer and even that was not finished F/X. I'm really stunned by the F/X. They still have plenty of time to tweak it, and the short clip the releaesed yesterday of GR whipping Mephisto with the flaming chain, and throwing fire balls out of his hand was just ecstacy. We all heard talk for years but did anyone really believe we'd ever see a mega budget Ghost Rider film w/Nic Cage?

[COME ON !]

Yeah, the visuals will be stunning and that will draw a lot of people.

No, I haven't seen the Ghost Rider footage from yesterday. I'll check the frontpage.It's there, right ?

[Advanced Dark]

It's there and on the GR boards. It's important for all comic2film fans that GR does good. If characters like GR do well at the box office studios will have more confidence in bringing more obscure characters to the screen. Where the hell is Namor, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist???

[COME ON !]

True. Ghost Rider certainly has the potential, now it has to deliver. I'm a big fan of comic book movies so I hope it does well and more comic characters is adapted to film as you say.

I'm looking at the footage right now, it's amazing !

[Advanced Dark]

GR will rely heavy on the visuals and that amazing bike to sell tickets, Nic Cage is a big boost for the franchise, and the rest of the cast is solid. If it's a bad movie I'd be shocked.

[COME ON !]

Well, it's the man behind Daredevil we're talking about here, so i'm not totally convinced. But I see every movie with an open mind, so here's hoping it's good ! At least the special effects will be amazing and Cage is a good actor, so it looks promising.:)

[Advanced Dark]

He did a fine job "directing" daredevil. The character wasn't visually portrayed well and Affleck to me and most other's I've talked to really hurt their enjoyment of the film. I did love the style & atmopshere of DD and the storyline was fine. Affleck just plain killed it for me. GR looks 10 times the film DD was. IMO DD was the worst Marvel theatrical next to Elektra. I've seen plenty of horrible films where the given material was directed superbly...like DD. You can't confuse the directing capabilities and screenwriters talents. Like Goyer did fine behind the Camera in Trinity but was horrible at storytelling in that film because he split duties, and the characters were God awful as Blade was pushed to the side.

[COME ON !]

I haven't seen Elektra yet, but DD is tied with FF as the worst Marvel movie for me.

Daredevil was a mess in my opinion. Affleck was the wrong choice for Daredevil and the fight scenes was totally crazy. Daredevil isn't supposed to jump and land like Spider-Man. I also didn't like the rock music overkill(Evanescence? COME ON !) etc etc. The list goes on and on.

But that's over now, and MSJ will get a new chance, at least from me.

[Advanced Dark]

Worst fight sequence ever. The park fight outside was worse than the girl fight in Kill & Kill Again.

[COME ON !]

Hehe, yeah, it was very very bad:D

[Advanced Dark]

If Affleck had never touched Daredevil I wouldn't have opposed to him attempting Tony Stark. It'd be much easier for him to pull off and wouldn't require fight sequences that don't fit him. Oh well. Bye Bennifer.

[COME ON !]

I wouldn't want Affleck as Stark either, but I agree, he is more suited for that role. Who do you want as Tony Stark, btw ?

[Advanced Dark]

People get a laugh out of this but I'd really like Mark Wahlberg for that role more than anyone. I think he's damn perfect. I'd like Caviezel as well or Crudup. Also don't get me wrong Affleck is not anywhere's near the top of my list but if he had to play a MVL character...that's the one. I wouldn't want that now after Daredevil though. :) I like ODED as well but maybe he's a better Dr. Strange.

[COME ON !]

Yes, I see what you mean about Affleck:)

Of the ones you mentioned I could see Jim Caviezel in the part:up: If he wasn't already Batman, I think Bale would have been great. He's excellent as the playboy type. You remember the hotel scene from BB, right ? With the two chicks swimming the hotel pool and him buying the hotel at the end ?;)

[GL's Light]

Ghost Rider is unlikely to be a hit, in my opinion. Nic Cage has mostly been box office poison over the last few years (National Treasure being the one big exception) and he's never delivered a hit outside of the peak box office months.

Also, Sony has vastly overspent on Ghost Rider. A $ 120 million production budget puts the threshold for box office success way too high.

Predicting a $ 60 million opening weekend is wildly optimistic. That's $ 15 million more than the current record holder for the biggest 4-day President's Day weekend opening. And only two February films have ever opened to more than $ 50 million - Hannibal and The Passion of the Christ. I don't see Ghost Rider being the third.

In all likelihood it'll open to $ 30-40 million, followed by short legs (it'll probably gross around 2.5X its opening). It'll end up as either a disappointment or a modest success.

[Advanced Dark]

^ I disagree because Nic Cage has always done good in his "action" films. He's never been box office poison he's just chosen some low key roles that aren't the type of films that are blockbusters. He chooses werid low key films between his big ones like Lord of War which to me was a great flick. How much money Sony spent on GR has nothing to do with whether it'll make the 60 million over 4 days or not. Yeah it's 15 million more than the current record holder which was "HITCH" I believe which was riding on the cast of Kevin James w/Will Smith. 30-40 million on Presidents Day weekend for Ghost Rider would be pathetic. So it looks like GR will be setting the Feb record. There's no major competition during it's releaes or after. It should have solid legs as people drool waiting for Spiderman and friends. Nic Cage is just a nice bonus in this film the real draw is the visuals and, the bike, and the wild story.

We disagree but we'll find out soon enough. No film like Ghost Rider has ever opened on Presidents Day...it's going to be a nice change of pace.

[GL's Light]

^^^
Nic Cage has had real box office problems over the last couple of years - and not just in small, quirky films. Windtalkers did $ 77.6 million worldwide against a $ 115 million production budget. National Treasure was a big hit, though, and stands as his biggest opening weekend ever at $ 35 million. Can he deliver a $ 50-60 million opening in February? I don't think so. But, we'll see.

[COME ON !]

Regardless of whether Cage is a box office draw, I think people will go to see the character and the special effects. AD's projections are very realistic IMO.

[Advanced Dark]

^^^
Nic Cage has had real box office problems over the last couple of years - and not just in small, quirky films. Windtalkers did $ 77.6 million worldwide against a $ 115 million production budget. National Treasure was a big hit, though, and stands as his biggest opening weekend ever at $ 35 million. Can he deliver a $ 50-60 million opening in February? I don't think so. But, we'll see.

Windtalkers did do poorly but that's only 1 big action film out of his whole resume and the problem with Windtalkers is it had everything going for it except the story. That story wasn't sellable to the huge audiences that enjoyed National Treasure or a film like Ghost Rider. It may have been true, and it may have even been a good story but the driving force behind the box office could care less about that story.

[Hunter Rider]

Can't be bothered to read all posts when ppl don't use paragraphs:( but are we now suggesting GR will do more than $40M opening weekend ?:confused:

[GL's Light]

Can't be bothered to read all posts when ppl don't use paragraphs:( but are we now suggesting GR will do more than $40M opening weekend ?:confused:
In a nutshell: AD thinks it'll open to $ 60-70 million. I think it'll open to $ 30-40 million.

[Hunter Rider]

In a nutshell: AD thinks it'll open to $ 60-70 million. I think it'll open to $ 30-40 million.

I think you're closer to the mark

[Advanced Dark]

30-40 over 4 days for GR would be a laughable take. Never happen.

[Advanced Dark]

In a nutshell: AD thinks it'll open to $ 60-70 million. I think it'll open to $ 30-40 million.

Yes.

[Hunter Rider]

30-40 over 4 days for GR would be a laughable take. Never happen.

Why would it make more than Hitch or DD ?

[Advanced Dark]

A few reasons:

1) The trailer is turning alot of heads.
2) The visuals (see #1)
3) The Marvel brand name (same as the DC w/DC films)
4) Fans of the genre
5) Nic Cage
6) No competition
7) Not only no competition but nothing else like it for months before or after.
8) It should make more than DD because:
a) These are 2007 dollars vs 2002 dollars. There's a big difference.
b) It's has a broader range of appeal.
c) The bike
d) No Ben Affleck.
9) It should do more than Hitch because of reasons 1-7 above.

The movie looks like a freaking fun ride which people will be missing since I believe this last Pirates film will be the closest thing to it that they have seen as far as action & budget.

That's my explanation. I heard the argument and I disagree with that argument. No biggie. Either way I'll be inline on day 1 to watch Batman and GR & Iron Man, etc...

[Hunter Rider]

A few reasons:

1) The trailer is turning alot of heads.
2) The visuals (see #1)
3) The Marvel brand name (same as the DC w/DC films)
4) Fans of the genre
5) Nic Cage
6) No competition
7) Not only no competition but nothing else like it for months before or after.

The movie looks like a freaking fun ride which people will be missing since I believe this last Pirates film will be the closest thing to it that they have seen as far as action & budget.

That's my explanation. I heard the argument and I disagree with that argument. No biggie. Either way I'll be inline on day 1 to watch Batman and GR & Iron Man, etc...

Will Smith is more of a proven draw than Cage and opened a romantic comedy in the same date near Valentines and still didn't make the numbers you think an unknown comic book movie with a shaky star will make,i can see $50M over 4 days but $60/70 ?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Except for Windtalkers which had a subject issue to begin with Cage's action films have all been pretty solid from The Rock, Face/Off, National Treasure, etc... He's also done well in many different types of films unlike Will Smith. Will Smith has had his share of horrible films (Men in Black 2, Wild Wild West) and duds as well. I'm not saying GR will be big for one reason or another. Ghost Rider is the main attaction here...the visuals, and the Bike. Having Nic Cage is a big plus but he is NOT the main attraction here. GR is. There's really a solid cast behind this film. You have to admit that trailer looks much better than anyone thought a Ghost Rider film would look like...before you saw it, and those F/X were still not complete. The actors are secondary in films like Ghost Rider as far as selling tickets. Nobody went to see Batman because of Bale, or Superman because of Routh, or X-Men because of Jackman. None of those films had the benefit of a star like Cage either. It's a bonus IMO. That's why Favreau is going for the "non personality/mega-star" for Iron Man because the actor is not bigger than the character in these films.

[Hunter Rider]

^ Except for Windtalkers which had a subject issue to begin with Cage's action films have all been pretty solid from The Rock, Face/Off, National Treasure, etc... He's also done well in many different types of films unlike Will Smith. Will Smith has had his share of horrible films (Men in Black 2, Wild Wild West) and duds as well. I'm not saying GR will be big for one reason or another. Ghost Rider is the main attaction here...the visuals, and the Bike. Having Nic Cage is a big plus but he is NOT the main attraction here. GR is. There's really a solid cast behind this film. You have to admit that trailer looks much better than anyone thought a Ghost Rider film would look like...before you saw it, and those F/X were still not complete.

Will Smith has had a far greater ratio of mega hits to failures than Cage,even crap like MIB II made a lot of money,what your suggesting is GR can break a record for that release date right ?

[Advanced Dark]

Yes. I think GR will hit 60+ million over 4 days. And again Nic Cage vs Will Smith is not the issue. It's Ghost Rider vs Will Smith. The actors are secondary attractions. Nic Cage might sell a few extra tickets as might Will Smith in a Superhero film but the fans are going to see their CHARACTER. That's my point.

As far as GR's legs go...if it's decent it lacks any real big competion for a month though The Hitcher could prove to be awesome if they remake it right. That's another big if.

[Hunter Rider]

Yes. I think GR will hit 60+ million over 4 days. And again Nic Cage vs Will Smith is not the issue. It's Ghost Rider vs Will Smith. The actors are secondary attractions. Nic Cage might sell a few extra tickets as might Will Smith in a Superhero film but the fans are going to see their CHARACTER. That's my point.

There's not really enough GR fans to expect that kind of opening,Will Smith is a mega star mainstream people will pay to see him every bit as much as comic nuts pay to see their favs otherwise studios wouldn't pay him $20M a movie,
Do you really think an unknown comic book character can make more in the valentines slot than one of hollywood's biggest names in a rom com ?

[Advanced Dark]

Do you really think an unknown comic book character can make more in the valentines slot than one of hollywood's biggest names in a rom com ?

Fantastic Four was really an unknown franchise to today's young generation and it was a mediocre movie yet that made more money on "opening weekend" than Superman or Batman. FF had no major media exposure before this film except it's comic book and it also had no stars in it of the magnitude of Will Smith or Nic Cage. I'm only talking opening weekends here not total domestic gross. We can make these arguments both ways and we'll both sound totally correct. There's no way you can convince me that GR can't make 60 million and I can't convince you that it will. It'll be fun to see what happens and I won't rub it in your face if I'm right...if I'm wrong I hope you'll do the same.

[Hunter Rider]

Fantastic Four was really an unknown franchise to today's young generation and it was a mediocre movie yet that made more money on "opening weekend" than Superman or Batman. FF had no major media exposure before this film except it's comic book and it also had no stars in it of the magnitude of Will Smith or Nic Cage. I'm only talking opening weekends here not total domestic gross. We can make these arguments both ways and we'll both sound totally correct. There's no way you can convince me that GR can't make 60 million and I can't convince you that it will. It'll be fun to see what happens and I won't rub it in your face if I'm right...if I'm wrong I hope you'll do the same.

Well those opening weekends come off midweek openings so it's hard to compare but we shall see and no i won't be rubbing it in,i will be very happy if GR makes the type of coin you are predicting as i love the character and think the film looks very good plus MSJ is a nice guy

[GL's Light]

It's very tough to achieve a huge opening weekend in February. Only seven February releases have opened to more than $ 30 million. Of those, four opened to more than $ 40 million, and two to more than $ 50 million.

Ghost Rider should pull in a box office take that would make it a success if it was a cheaper film, but likely won't measure up to the big budget. That's my prediction anyway.

Iron Man, on the other hand, has more box office potential. I can see it going as high as $ 300-350 million worldwide, which would be a big success as long as Marvel doesn't overspend. If anything's going to kill - or at least temporarily wound - the superhero genre, it's overinflated budgets.

[josh8]

OMG, ghost rider is not even going to come close to the february record. you are delusional! it doesnt look good at all. people laughed when the trailer played with X3. they laughed A LOT. and those were comic book fans out to see a comic book movie at midnight!!

i'm guessing it will perform a little worse than constantine (opened Feb. 18, 2005 to $29.7 million). it's the best model to follow. it's a comic book property that's not that well known with occult themes, headlined by an A-list star (keanu is doing a lot better than nic cage, by the way) and opening at the same time period of the year.

3-day opening weekend: $26 million... and that's if it's lucky. if the movie sucks, i can see it going as low as $15 million.

[TheVileOne]

Ghost Rider will do similar business to Hellboy I predict.

What people are also ignoring.

People don't compare James Bond to Iron Man. They compare Iron Man to James Bond. James Bond set standards that influenced things like Iron Man. Things that Iron Man followed.

[josh8]

and AD, you cant just pull predictions out of your a$$. you have to look at the context. the genre, the star, the trailer reactions, the buzz (which is non-existent), the release date's history, everything. declaring an unprecedented 60+ opening shows lack of rationality and slides you into fanboy gushing.

[Darthphere]

A few reasons:

1) The trailer is turning alot of heads.
2) The visuals (see #1)
3) The Marvel brand name (same as the DC w/DC films)
4) Fans of the genre
5) Nic Cage
6) No competition
7) Not only no competition but nothing else like it for months before or after.
8) It should make more than DD because:
a) These are 2007 dollars vs 2002 dollars. There's a big difference.
b) It's has a broader range of appeal.
c) The bike
d) No Ben Affleck.
9) It should do more than Hitch because of reasons 1-7 above.

The movie looks like a freaking fun ride which people will be missing since I believe this last Pirates film will be the closest thing to it that they have seen as far as action & budget.

That's my explanation. I heard the argument and I disagree with that argument. No biggie. Either way I'll be inline on day 1 to watch Batman and GR & Iron Man, etc...


1)Yeah, turning a lot of heads away from the screen.
2)Vomit-inducing, they look cheap
3)Elektra and Catwoman broke the bank then?
4)Yeah, comic book fans will watch any old crap you throw at them, wait no.
5)Youre kdding me right?
6)Ill give you that one
7)What do you mean by this?
8)All ludicrous points, so youre main point is inflation will cause it to make more than DD when really without inflation it will just as good as DD. It also has a big budget.
9)Hitch was a romantci comedy, they tend to do better around the month of love.

:)

[TheVileOne]

Daredevil came out in 2003 not 2002. So it would be 2003 dollars.

A bike? Big deal. A bike isn't going to make a movie make more money than Hitch.

Cage isn't the draw that Will Smith is.

A romantic comedy with Will Smith will draw more people than a movie like Ghost Rider.

Hitch made $180 million in the US, and about $370 million worldwide.

Ghost Rider will NOT make that much. Especially being released in February.

[Cdawg751]

Exactly. there are definatly more people willing to see a romantic comedy staring a blockbuster movie star than a handful of GR fans (compared to other marvel superheros) willing to watch their film. its a simple fact...

[Advanced Dark]

^ Well you're going to be surprised at your simple facts I can assure you it'll make 60 million over those 4 days.

[Advanced Dark]

Daredevil came out in 2003 not 2002. So it would be 2003 dollars.

A bike? Big deal. A bike isn't going to make a movie make more money than Hitch.

Cage isn't the draw that Will Smith is.

A romantic comedy with Will Smith will draw more people than a movie like Ghost Rider.

Hitch made $180 million in the US, and about $370 million worldwide.

Ghost Rider will NOT make that much. Especially being released in February.

I'm only talking opening weekend. I made that pretty clear vile. Comic book films tend to have much bigger opening weekends than the normal action film. You might think GR doesn't have alot of fans but it really does and even the comic book fans that don't read or never read GR will show up opening weekend. There will be no other hardcore action flicks before or after this film so it'll be a nice change of pace. It easy to think your way now in the Summer with all of these action films around us but in February you'll be dying to see a good action flick. And Will Smith isn't that much of a proven draw in comedies and I think in Hitch's case Kevin James really helped out because he stole that film. And please stop cherry picking single points I make as if it's the only reason I think GR will do good like your bike comment. I never said the bike alone would sell more tickets. The bike is a draw though, as is Nic cage, the genre, the action, the visuals, etc...It's a package. But the character is visually stunning and that will turn heads and sell tickets. Listen we could argue about this till we're out of breath and our fingers are sore. Forget about it. We disagree. I think it'll break Feb's record and you and others don't. I also thought X3 would easily surpass X2 and make 100 million in the first 4 days and people laughed at me there too. I heard every reason in the book about how stupid I was to think X3 would hit 100 mill in 4 days. I'm invested heavily in this industry and have done a hell of a lot more research then scanning the box office mojo pages.

[Hunter Rider]

^ Well you're going to be surprised at your simple facts I can assure you it'll make 60 million over those 4 days.

Assure us ? that has gone from a guess to you actually saying it's a forgone conclusion that a film based on a no name character with a demonic theme is gonna outperform a Rom Com opening on Valentines starring a huge draw

[Advanced Dark]

^ GR is not opening against Hitch so we'll never know what would happen there. But in the real world GR is opening on a proven Holiday weekend and it does not have a romantic comedy with a star like Will Smith to go against. Hence my feelings. Listen we can't convince each other we're right. Let's agree to disagree and move on. I know what you think and you know what I think.

[Hunter Rider]

^ GR is not opening against Hitch so we'll never know what would happen there. But in the real world GR is opening on a proven Holiday weekend and it does not have a romantic comedy with a star like Will Smith to go against. Hence my feelings. Listen we can't convince each other we're right. Let's agree to disagree and move on. I know what you think and you know what I think.

I wasn't wondering what would happen if they opened at the same time,i was using a logical barometer to gauge GR's BO chances,my point was how do you think that an unknown comic character with a demoic theme can achieve a bigger opening then a Will Smith romantic comedy on valentines ? it doesn't add up

[Advanced Dark]

I already explained how it ads up. Who cares really anymore? Let's move on. We'll see in February we've pretty much exhausted our arguments. peace.

[Hunter Rider]

I already explained how it ads up. Who cares really anymore? Let's move on. We'll see in February we've pretty much exhausted our arguments. peace.

How did you explain,cool visuals and it being the first comic movie for 6 months either side hardly add up to $60M and how can you ignore the Hitch facts ?

[Advanced Dark]

How can you ignore the comic book genre's opening weekends in general on top of what you just said, and Nic Cage who has made smaller films but his last film made alot more than Hitch. Hunter give it up. I'm giving up as well. We disagree. What part of that don't you understand really. It's not worth getting worked up over on either side. It's my opinion and you have yours. Daredevil did very well in 2003 and you can't ignore that GR has way more appeal visually than that film and DD was just as unknown the the general moviegoing audience. You also can't ignore that it did so well opening weekend even with the East coast burried in 2 ft of snow. Not just one or two cities...like all of them from NC up. Besides the performance of Hitch or DD is just a barometer as you say but it's not a rule of thumb. Nobody expected Hitch to do that well. I still think Kevin James sold alot of those tickets. thanks to his K of Q show.

[Hunter Rider]

Exit polls show who sold the tickets,thats why Kevin James aint doing nothing else right now and Smith has 3 100M movies coming out
I didn't ignore comic book opening weekends but im looking at ones with more relevance like Constantine and Hellboy
DD opened with a star whose name was everywhere at the time,he was at a peak famewise
Your prediction is for an opening close to Hulk and over F4 levels,i just see no logic there,$50M in 4 is a possibility

[Cdawg751]

^ Well you're going to be surprised at your simple facts I can assure you it'll make 60 million over those 4 days. Im Not bashing GR i like it. But there are plenty more romantic comedy fans then GR...i dont think ill be that suprised at all

[Advanced Dark]

Exit polls show who sold the tickets,thats why Kevin James aint doing nothing else right now and Smith has 3 100M movies coming out
I didn't ignore comic book opening weekends but im looking at ones with more relevance like Constantine and Hellboy
DD opened with a star whose name was everywhere at the time,he was at a peak famewise
Your prediction is for an opening close to Hulk and over F4 levels,i just see no logic there,$50M in 4 is a possibility

Well Nic Cage just came off National Treasure his biggest domestic hit yet, and please show me links to these exit polls saying Kevin James didn't steal the show. Also Hellboy was not the caliber of film budget wise and star wise as GRider, and neither character had the fanbase of Grider or the awareness. Everyone who reads comics has heard of Ghost Rider and read a book where he was in it on some level. Lastly you don't seem to be able to read. My prediciton has always been for 60 million in 4 days. I never said 3. However I wouldn't be shocked considering the lack of this kind of competition. I think Daredevil is the closest example of a action flick on this releaes date and that wasn't half the film this apperas to me and the trailers and visuals were not nearly as surreal and impressive. Why are still f'n arguing about this?

[Hunter Rider]

Well Nic Cage just came off National Treasure his biggest domestic hit yet, and please show me links to these exit polls saying Kevin James didn't steal the show. Also Hellboy was not the caliber of film budget wise and star wise as GRider, and neither character had the fanbase of Grider or the awareness. Everyone who reads comics has heard of Ghost Rider and read a book where he was in it on some level. Lastly you don't seem to be able to read. My prediciton has always been for 60 million in 4 days. I never said 3. However I wouldn't be shocked considering the lack of this kind of competition. I think Daredevil is the closest example of a action flick on this releaes date and that wasn't half the film this apperas to me and the trailers and visuals were not nearly as surreal and impressive. Why are still f'n arguing about this?

I don't have links the movie was over a year ago but it was talked about at the time how Smith was becoming the most bankable star in Hollywood for consistency
Hellboy has the same theme's as GR and i don't believe that GR has a huge following that is gonna catapult it to $60M
As for not reading,it is you who can;t,i clearly stated 4 days in my post,pointing out that in 4 days you expect it to get near Hulks 3 day and Hulk is a massively iconic character,again it doesn;t add up
DD had a star whose fame was at it's peak and National treasure is far removed from GR in content
We are not arguing,this is a BO thread whats the point in it if all we do is agree do disagree,might as well not post if all we are gonna do is put "it will make bla blah " and not discuss reasonings and logical analysis

[Advanced Dark]

GR will also benefit from big advertising during the NFL PLAYOFFS. Most big summer films are staying away from that because there's too big of a gap between Dec-Feb and their summer release. GR will come on right after the playoffs. That adrenaline has to go somewhere.

Can you at least agree that we disagree and move on to actualy competition for Iron Man and not Young Hannibal. LOL

[ROB]

ghost rider will do fine not only does it have mayjor visual and themes appeal but their is a huge popularity in choppers at the moment or has no one noticed the amount of people wearing west coast choppers and occ clothing. Most bike enthusiasts (weather you own a bike or not) will want to see this movie for its bike themes. Combine that with its horror, action, Nic Cage, and the popularity of the character, you can pretty much say this movie will appeal to alot of audiences for different reasons. and if thats not enough for the GR haters well how about its unlike anything people have seen its going to be fresh. Now Im a bond fan but those movies have been going down hill for years and lack origionality, I dont want to see a Bond with a darker edge I want the charming, whitty Bond but thats gone now and I think its going to die a misrible death.

[TheVileOne]

You never know, Casino Royale might re-energize it like Goldeneye did in the 90's.

[Advanced Dark]

I think Casino will be a treat for Bond fans. I am a Bond fan myself and don't think Brosnan was the best...however I recognize his huge appeal and maybe he brough enough attention to the franchise to spill over into Craigs lap. It'll still never break 200 million domestic or even come near that. In fact if it goes head to head w/Iron Man they'll probably both suffer but Bond will be hurt the most IMO and it would be lucky to break 100 million. There is no way the studios will both stick to that date. It'll be a game of chicken and Avi will be hounding Sony whom he has many friends at, and Sony will be trying to convince Avi to move the date, if neither of those strategies work then they'll have keep their ears open for the buzz and watch the footage as it's leaked to see who's got the upper hand. I think Iron Man has the least to worry about. I'm confident in it that much. I think when we see Iron Man for the first time in the teaser/trailer it's gonna drop our collective jaws. I also like the fact Stark is a pow turned gun runner in Afghanistan then we'll get to see the origin suit and how it evolves. Favreau said Iron Man battles on the World stage so we're gonna see lots and lots of flying and action. What is Casino opening against? Surely it's not competing with a big comic book action film dealing with industrial espionage and cool gadgets and weapons. So while Casino might do ok...how would it do against a comic book franchise film like Iron Man?

[TheVileOne]

Iron Man has more to lose since it's the unproven brand and franchise.

Everyone knows what Bond is. He's been a pop culture icon since the 60's. He has longevity. Iron Man hasn't done what Bond has done.

Bond is what influences things like Iron Man. People compare Iron Man to Bond not vice versa.

How would Casino Royale do against a comic book movie? Pretty well considering it's Bond and outside of X-men and Spider-man, comic book movies don't do that great of business in the US.

[Octoberist]

I still think that one of them will HAVE to move. The demographic is too close for both movies, and honestly if the studios play it smart, they shouldn't have to clash like this.

[TheVileOne]

Well I think Casino Royale's reception will affect the outcome.

[Octoberist]

and that alone is very uncertain.

I mean, I've got high hopes but it depends on how they aproach this prequel/half ass restart thing. IN all honesty a restart is not needed, so I hope they made the right decisions. Also, it depends on how the public will like Craig.

[chiefchirpa]

The certain thing is Craig is considerably less handsome than Brosnan and Dalton.

Brosnan for Iron Man? :)

[Advanced Dark]

Brosnan could pull it off and he still looks young. Not my top choice but how funny would that be Brosnan as Iron Man going against Bond. LMFAO at Sony.

[TheVileOne]

It'd be funny seeing Brosnan playing an imitated, emulated character of Bond, yes.

[Advanced Dark]

Not exactly imitated but the whole feel would be similar on several levels. It's good when other franchises or characters build on the success of others and improve on it or twist it in different ways. Competition fosters success you know. :)

[TheVileOne]

Then James Bond is good competition.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yes it is but it's as a-hole move by Sony to pull that since it's not good for either studio to release both films on the same day. It would be good for them to be released further apart forcing each franchise to up the ante each year.

[WTFwuzThT]

Meh, Bond will flop anyway. 007 needs to take a nap for about 10 years, it's utterly played out and void of any worthwhile plots as can be seen with the last bucket of pig vomit they put out. This movie's got about as much excitement for it as another installment of Catwoman. Let'em do what they want maybe they'll get the hint. I for one know where my money will go.

[AndrewGilkison]

Sony must be pretty confident in Casino Royale and this latest version of Bond if they already greenlit a sequel. They will look like morons if this movie flops, or if it gets such crappy word of mouth that it drops big after its opening weekend and interest in a sequel is not there.

[YJ1]

I just heard that the studio set of Casino Royale burned in a fire and the release of the movie may get pushed back. (I was wondering what Advanced Dark was doing with that gas can and matches) I wonder if any future set pieces for Bond 22 were lost?

Being both Sony products, too bad they won't push Casino Royale back to February 16, 2007. I'd like to see Ghost Rider go head to head with Bond as well.

By the way, Hitch's biggest "asset" was...
http://www.greatpornlinks.org/wp-content/evamendesseethrough.jpg

Too bad Ghost Rider can't say the same thing... Oh wait...

[Advanced Dark]

They were dismantling the sets.

On a side note this shows how popular Brosnan was:


Daniel Craig
© AFP/File Carl De Souza
New James Bond Daniel Craig has revealed that he was stunned by the backlash he received after replacing Pierce Brosnan.

The actor was criticized by some 007 fans before filming for Casino Royale had even begun, leading to further rumors that he was scared of speed boats and couldn't drive Bond's car. They launched their attack through their website craignotbond.com which urged cinemagoers to boycott the 22nd Bond movie out in November.

Craig insists that the jibes hurt him. "Seriously, I didn't really expect it. I've been acting a while and know you can't believe the bad stuff and can't believe the good stuff either. But you still take it in. You can't help it," the Mirror quoted him as telling Empire magazine.

However, the 38-year-old actor insisted that the criticism only made him more determined to succeed, saying, "After all the fuss, I'm giving everything I can to make a fantastic movie."(ANI)

***Also James Bond lost half of it's Worldwide marketing partners for Casino Royale compared to Brosnan's last film.

[Hunter Rider]

Yes Eva Mendes who can be seen for free on here anytime anyone wants was the reason for Hitch's success,it had nothing to do with one of the worlds most well liked biggest drawing stars being the lead,please:o

[TheVileOne]

The anti Craig site is garbage trash at it's best.

It doesn't support your flimsy arguments at all.

Craig's not my ideal choice. But he's better than some of the other uninspired crap we were hearing going around for the character. Specifically Jude Law and Orlando Bloom.

[COME ON !]

The anti Craig site is garbage trash at it's best.

It doesn't support your flimsy arguments at all.

Craig's not my ideal choice. But he's better than some of the other uninspired crap we were hearing going around for the character. Specifically Jude Law and Orlando Bloom.

I agree.

Bond is not supposed to be feminine.