Most powerful comic character ever.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Classic Beyonder (Pre-retcon version)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html

[rodhulk]

Classic Beyonder (Pre-retcon version)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html What was said of TOAA at this time?

[The Geek Vault]

that is powerful

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What was said of TOAA at this time?
TOAA was like he is now, Beyonder was just much stronger...
TOAA is one with the MU Multiverse.
Beyonder was beyond that...

1, Stan Lee himself stated that Classic Beyonder had the same power over the series as the writhers.
2, He had the power surpassing a million MU Multiverses combind, he was all there was beyond the Multiverse.
3, He could wrap from one point to an other as he pleased.
4, He could violate any rules (- in fact he made the rules), TOAA was nohing but a mere being to him, he could turn him into toiletpaper

[SouLeSS]

Why even have a character like that though?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well he didnt really exist (due to the retcon).
You know Silverage... Everything was overpowered.
He was just more for fun...

[Super Mark]

I remember thinking he'd be a good plot device, not a character. But when I FIRST saw him, I though he was supposed to be the MU version of God. But changed my mind.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Actually that's true, he was supose to be the God. However he was not only the MU Multiverse, he was also everything Beyond. Making him Omniversal god.

[rodhulk]

TOAA was like he is now, Beyonder was just much stronger...
TOAA is one with the MU Multiverse.
Beyonder was beyond that...

1, Stan Lee himself stated that Classic Beyonder had the same power over the series as the writhers.
2, He had the power surpassing a million MU Multiverses combind, he was all there was beyond the Multiverse.
3, He could wrap from one point to an other as he pleased.
4, He could violate any rules (- in fact he made the rules), TOAA was nohing but a mere being to him, he could turn him into toiletpaperActually, though, he was never this powerful due to the, as you said, rectonned, so , in actuallity, TOAA was above the Beyonder.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by #1, though.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Actually, though, he was never this powerful due to the, as you said, rectonned, so , in actuallity, TOAA was above the Beyonder.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by #1, though.
#1, Stan Lee (seriously don't you know who he is, he is Marvel.)

TOAA = One with the Multiverse (It's all the Energy in the MU Multiverse combinded)

Beyonder (as stated in the link) at least a million times stronger.

He don't exist anymore (due to retcon) But he left a big footprint.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Not so long ago there was a thread that put up:
Doc. Doom w/ a portion of Classic Beyonders power
vs
Thanos w/ IG
vs
Dark Phoenix

--
It's a shame that most didnt know that Doom was afraid when possessing Beyonder's power.
He didnt even dare to use it, because he didnt want to destroy Multiverses.

[rodhulk]

#1, Stan Lee (seriously don't you know who he is, he is Marvel.)

TOAA = One with the Multiverse (It's all the Energy in the MU Multiverse combinded)

Beyonder (as stated in the link) at least a million times stronger.

He don't exist anymore (due to retcon) But he left a big footprint.LOL. Yes, yes, I know who Stan Lee is.

But what it seems you are saying is that the Beyonder is as powerful as the writer, unless I missed something.

I also read something that said The Beyonder was never actually that powerful, but was made to think he was, or at least something to that effect. Hence, the retcon. In fact, that's what retcon means, doesn't it?

[rodhulk]

Classic Beyonder (Pre-retcon version)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html BTW, I do like this thread and all the scans. Good job. :up:

[Varient]

Classic Beyonder (Pre-retcon version)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html
Truth,....
(I guess this is one SQ wouldn't defeat unless he wanted to be beat.)

[Harlekin]

Mikael, what is this fascination you have with the most powerful?

[Tropico]

Joey Q is most powerful.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

LOL. Yes, yes, I know who Stan Lee is.

But what it seems you are saying is that the Beyonder is as powerful as the writer, unless I missed something.

I also read something that said The Beyonder was never actually that powerful, but was made to think he was, or at least something to that effect. Hence, the retcon. In fact, that's what retcon means, doesn't it?
He was that powerful, just the retcon says that he wasent.
He was omniversal (power of all there was an everything beyond it), it was too much so they reduced his power.
If he still had that power he would be able to take on every single comic character ever at the same time.

The fact that you don't think he's that strong is because he greatly supressed his power from time to time. (Before retcon)

Yes, Stan Lee said that the Beyonder is supose to have the same kind of power over the comics as the writer had, erease, create, remake nothing was impossible for him.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Mikael, what is this fascination you have with the most powerful?
Like Cesar, Napoleon and the other conqueror's I like power.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Joey Q is most powerful.
No, C. Beyonder's power was beyond everything, his power wouldent work unless Beyonder wanted it to do so.
Guess Q would end up like a chewing gum.

[rodhulk]

He was that powerful, just the retcon says that he wasent.
He was omniversal (power of all there was an everything beyond it), it was too much so they reduced his power.
If he still had that power he would be able to take on every single comic character ever at the same time.

The fact that you don't think he's that strong is because he greatly supressed his power from time to time. (Before retcon)

Yes, Stan Lee said that the Beyonder is supose to have the same kind of power over the comics as the writer had, erease, create, remake nothing was impossible for him.I'm sure Stan Lee didn't mean it in the way you might think he meant it. You see, the 'writers' were able to retcon him, so the writers are above him. Plus, you said that the Beyonder could do anything a writer could, create, erase, etc... But the Beyonder only did that if the 'writer' wrote it in that he did it. If the writer didn't write it in, he wouldn't have done it. That means, the 'writer' over the 'Beyonder.' The Beyonder's fictional anyway, so why am I even discussing this........... :o > me

I'm not sure where I read it (though it is a named source, I believe), but as I said in my previous post, the Beyonder was only made to think he had this power, he really didn't. Hence, the retcon.

But, yeah, before it was made known that he never really had this power, when it seemed he did, the Beyonder was unstoppable.

[Sentry2005]

Like Cesar, Napoleon and the other conqueror's I like power.

So, just out of curiosity, who would you be out of David and Goliath? :confused:

[Kotagg]

And which "Cesar" are we talking about?

[Tropico]

No, C. Beyonder's power was beyond everything, his power wouldent work unless Beyonder wanted it to do so.
Guess Q would end up like a chewing gum.

No, Joey Q is more powerfuller. He doesn't even have to make the Beyonder the weakest character in Marvel history himself, he can order someone else to do it. Such is the power of the triple chin!:mad:

[Anubis]

I was gonna say Jack Kirby, but Joe Q may actually trump him. He has the power to destroy all of his creations and there aint a thing the King could do. :(

[Jplaya2023]

Marvel: Spiderman not because of his strength but because of will and how he wont let down his family or friends

DC: Batman - His mind makes him superior to everyone in DC.

[villejo]

Beyonder
Molecule Man
Pheonix
Galactus
Silver/Sentry

[MyPokerShirt]

^good list.

How was beyonder retconned? isnt he just a living cosmic cube? but if thats the retcon how does that make him less powerful?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Beyonder
Molecule Man
Pheonix
Galactus
Silver/Sentry
I would stat the Living Tribunal, Death ect. before Rachel Summers.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

^good list.

How was beyonder retconned? isnt he just a living cosmic cube? but if thats the retcon how does that make him less powerful?
Beyonder was the icon of the writher themselves, he just got ret-contended because the he wanted it to be so, he could get everything he wanted he could never strugle or fight for something:
Ex, Beyonder fights for the good side:
Beyonder: All evil go away!
*poof* there isnt even an evil soul across the multiverses and beyond.

And no, he is an incomplete cosmic cube (about 2/3 of one).
And he isnt "a person" in fact there is an entire race named the beyonders.

[Harlekin]

Beyonder was the icon of the writher themselves, he just got ret-contended because the he wanted it to be so, he could get everything he wanted he could never strugle or fight for something:
Ex, Beyonder fights for the good side:
Beyonder: All evil go away!
*poof* there isnt even an evil soul across the multiverses and beyond.

And no, he is an incomplete cosmic cube (about 2/3 of one).
And he isnt "a person" in fact there is an entire race named the beyonders.
Ret-contended? Try retconned.

[Genesis 1.0]

Beyonder was the icon of the writher themselves, he just got ret-contended because the he wanted it to be so, he could get everything he wanted he could never strugle or fight for something:
Ex, Beyonder fights for the good side:
Beyonder: All evil go away!
*poof* there isnt even an evil soul across the multiverses and beyond.

And no, he is an incomplete cosmic cube (about 2/3 of one).
And he isnt "a person" in fact there is an entire race named the beyonders.

I find it immensely disturbing that you speak as if the Beyonder retconned himself.:confused:

[Sentry2005]

I find it immensely disturbing that you speak as if the Beyonder retconned himself.:confused:

I get the odd feeling that he thinks the Beyonder is a real person... :confused:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Now Beyonder is a race... Before it was a person.

The weakest Beyonder now is the one that lived in the Spider-man (cartoon) reality.

[ShadowBoxing]

I would stat the Living Tribunal, Death ect. before Rachel Summers.By Phoenix he means Jean Grey Phoenix, who is far more powerful than Rachel

[LouFerignoDemon]

By Phoenix he means Jean Grey Phoenix, who is far more powerful than Rachel

Isn't Rachel just barely at picking up a few tons of rocks with her powers?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Jean Grey's (as Dark Phoenix or Phoenix of the White Crown) greatest features:
1. Saved the Multi-verse from destruction.
2. Held the 616-reality in her right hand.

I would stat the Infinity Gauntlet over her, since Thanos with it held more than one Universe in his hand.
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Top 10 list. - Of comic character.

1. Classic Beyonder - Omniversal being
2. Classic Molecule man- Omniversal being
3. Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers' (TOAA and Presence working together) Multiversal beings
4. One above all, Presence, great evil beast, Thanos merged with the heart of the universe, L-sama - Multiversal beings
5. Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies) - Multiversal beings
6. Infinite (the one that was the 7 Infinity gems), Lucifer Morningstar - Multiversal beings
7. Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, Michael Morningstar - Multiversal beings
8. Phoenix of the White crown - Universal being
9. Eternity, Infinity, <Maxium potential reached> Galactus - Universal beings
10. Death, Oblivion, Lord chaos... ect. - Multiversal beings

[LouFerignoDemon]

Top 10 list. - Of comic character.

1. Classic Beyonder - Omniversal being
2. Classic Molecule man- Omniversal being
3. Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers' (TOAA and Presence working together) Multiversal beings
4. One above all, Presence, great evil beast, Thanos merged with the heart of the universe, L-sama - Multiversal beings
5. Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies) - Multiversal beings
6. Infinite (the one that was the 7 Infinity gems), Lucifer Morningstar - Multiversal beings
7. Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, Michael Morningstar - Multiversal beings
8. Phoenix of the White crown - Multiversal being
9. Eternity, Infinity, <Maxium potential reached> Galactus - Multiversal beings
10. Death, Oblivion, Lord chaos... ect. - Multiversal beings

I may be wrong, but I've NEVER seen the Spectre do anything in the power level of the Living Tribunal.

[Colossal Spoons]

These days, I'd have to say Squirrel Girl. :mad:

[UK_Stu]

Can anyone explain to me when the beyonder was retconned, maybe the issue(s) in question? Plus what is the difference between the Classic Beyonder & the Beyonder? When was it revealed there were a race of beyonders?:confused:

[UK_Stu]

These days, I'd have to say Squirrel Girl. :mad:

Don't be silly, everyone knows the most powerful comic character is obviously Wolverine:D

[Harlekin]

Top 10 list. - Of comic character.

1. Classic Beyonder - Omniversal being
2. Classic Molecule man- Omniversal being
3. Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers' (TOAA and Presence working together) Multiversal beings
4. One above all, Presence, great evil beast, Thanos merged with the heart of the universe, L-sama - Multiversal beings
5. Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies) - Multiversal beings
6. Infinite (the one that was the 7 Infinity gems), Lucifer Morningstar - Multiversal beings
7. Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, Michael Morningstar - Multiversal beings
8. Phoenix of the White crown - Multiversal being
9. Eternity, Infinity, <Maxium potential reached> Galactus - Multiversal beings
10. Death, Oblivion, Lord chaos... ect. - Multiversal beings
Dude, when are you going to understand that entities such as Eternity are NOT multiversal beings or whatever crap name you come up with? They are not the same throughout the different universes.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eternityaspectisallreality32ro.jpg

L. Tribunal's say that he was lord of all there is, that's just one universe?

[Harlekin]

Yes.

[Colossal Spoons]

He said Eternity was the Lord of all there is. That makes sense for every and all universes.

[UK_Stu]

I was under the impression that Eternity was the imbodiment of our Universe(616 Marvel) and everything in it, not all Multiverses.

[Harlekin]

He said Eternity was the Lord of all there is. That makes sense for every and all universes.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

Either way, considering Eternity is the embodiment of the universe, and that means the embodiment of a single universe, he cannot possibly be the same across all realities, because each universe is different, and therefore has a different Eternity.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

*List edited*
- at least I based my thoeires on a statement from the L.T.

[UK_Stu]

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

Either way, considering Eternity is the embodiment of the universe, and that means the embodiment of a single universe, he cannot possibly be the same across all realities, because each universe is different, and therefore has a different Eternity.

You are right sir...

check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity_%28Marvel_Comics%29

[Harlekin]

Sigh, Death, Oblivion etc. are also universal beings...

Also, WTF is <maximum potential reached> Galactus?

[UK_Stu]

In addition, according to Wikipedia the Beyonder wasn't omnipotent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beyonder

[UK_Stu]

Sigh, Death, Oblivion etc. are also universal beings...

Also, WTF is <maximum potential reached> Galactus?

Yes, Death, Oblivion and Infinity are siblings and sister respectively of Eternity - all of whom are Universal beings

[Harlekin]

I'm mostly interested in Maximum Potential Galactus. :D

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm mostly interested in Maximum Potential Galactus. :D
Maximum Potential Galactus is the big G after he eats a dozen convenient store burritos, six bowls of five-alarm chili, three cans of BBQ baked beans, and two hotdogs with extra jalapenos and onions.

Talk about destructive power on a multiversal scale. :eek:

[Sentry2005]

It's cos the dude has a hard on for DBZ :( I mean I liked DBZ, but applying it to anything OTHER than DBZ, well... thats just... dumb.

[NateGray]

These days, I'd have to say Squirrel Girl. :mad:

Well she did put a hurtin on Deadpool :) which I thought was pretty funny.
Bad writing of course but funny.

As for the most powerfull well Onslaught would have to be up there as well as Franklin Richards and the AOA Nate Grey as well as Cable.

The reason I mention AOA Nate and Cable is based on the mini where Scott and Jean raise Cable in the future and you find out its Rachel who started the Askani and she tells Cable he could move the sun with a thought.
Well Franklin and Onslaught are no brainers even the universal powers are wary of them seeing as how Franklin can create universes out of his thoughts and wel Onslaught had his power + Nate and Charles and Magneto's, not to shabby.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Sigh, Death, Oblivion etc. are also universal beings...

Also, WTF is <maximum potential reached> Galactus?
Galactus has never been (and will probobly never be) at full power.
Since he's Eternity's brother he's seen as his equal, when he reaches his maximum potential.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

In addition, according to Wikipedia the Beyonder wasn't omnipotent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beyonder
So you rather belive a statement which could've been made up by anybody?
You have the pictures (first post) that he was Marvel multiverse and everything beyond it. -- That he was the sum of all there was, ect.

But the guy who wrote that about the Beyonder clearly didnt know that Beyonder limit his power to fit in, once he limited so much he got drunk on a bar.

[Harlekin]

Galactus has never been (and will probobly never be) at full power.
Since he's Eternity's brother he's seen as his equal, when he reaches his maximum potential.
Man, you crack me up. He's not the brother of Eternity in the literal sense.

[UK_Stu]

So you rather belive a statement which could've been made up by anybody?
You have the pictures (first post) that he was Marvel multiverse and everything beyond it. -- That he was the sum of all there was, ect.

But the guy who wrote that about the Beyonder clearly didnt know that Beyonder limit his power to fit in, once he limited so much he got drunk on a bar.

Well, the article actually, because it fits with what I understood to be true about the Beyonder - i.e it was an incomplete cosmic cube and therefore not omnipotent.

The pictures in the first post have been taken out of context and have had heading or titles added to them to reinforce the poster's arguement. In a lot of the cases's the pictures don't illustrate what the heading implies.

[Silicon Surfer]

The issue that "revealed" that The Beyonder was a partial cosmic cube was possibly one of the worst written stories in the history of comics. It isn't a retcon even since they did not attempt to explain how he was formerly thought to be so powerful. It simply ignored everything that had happened before. The Beyonder killed Death who is equal in power to Eternity, swatted Galactus like a bug,and defeated an entire Celestial Host with ease. Even Eternity would have had to sacrifice a third of his entire being to destroy the Beyonder when using an massive amount of the Beyonders own captured energy as a weapon. The "retcon" didn't even try to explain or even mention prior events. It simply said that he was only a partial cube and nowhere near what he thought he was and gave no explanation. It also did not explain the Molecule Man who was supposedly empowered by the same energy and was shown to be far less powerful than the Beyonder. Reese was considered the most powerful being in the universe next to the Beyonder by the Watcher who apparently also has no idea what he is talking about if you believe that story. The original storylines established beyond any retconning that the Beyonder was indeed countless millions of times more powerful than every other being in known reality combined. Other retcons at least attempt to provide an explanation even if it is a bad one, this story didn't even do that. They also never gave an explanation for " the Beyond Realm" that the story happened in. If his original origin wasn't true the Beyond Realm wouldn't have existed.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The issue that "revealed" that The Beyonder was a partial cosmic cube was possibly one of the worst written stories in the history of comics. It isn't a retcon even since they did not attempt to explain how he was formerly thought to be so powerful. It simply ignored everything that had happened before. The Beyonder killed Death who is equal in power to Eternity, swatted Galactus like a bug,and defeated an entire Celestial Host with ease. Even Eternity would have had to sacrifice a third of his entire being to destroy the Beyonder when using an massive amount of the Beyonders own captured energy as a weapon. The "retcon" didn't even try to explain or even mention prior events. It simply said that he was only a partial cube and nowhere near what he thought he was and gave no explanation. It also did not explain the Molecule Man who was supposedly empowered by the same energy and was shown to be far less powerful than the Beyonder. Reese was considered the most powerful being in the universe next to the Beyonder by the Watcher who apparently also has no idea what he is talking about if you believe that story. The original storylines established beyond any retconning that the Beyonder was indeed countless millions of times more powerful than every other being in known reality combined. Other retcons at least attempt to provide an explanation even if it is a bad one, this story didn't even do that. They also never gave an explanation for " the Beyond Realm" that the story happened in. If his original origin wasn't true the Beyond Realm wouldn't have existed.
Multi-versal death was one not even Thanos with the heart could kill.
He even banished the Living Tribunal (whom before, bowed infor the Beyonder) from the muli-veres.

Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers had the same power as the Presence and TOAA still they where together just 2 multiveres combinded.
Beyonder would have banished them.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Man, you crack me up. He's not the brother of Eternity in the literal sense.


He's probably more of brother/cousin/father/son/huband/whatever asbstract cosmic beings relate to themselves as.

I know Death thinks of Galactus as brother/father/son/husband/and something else I believe.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Maximum Potential Galactus is the big G after he eats a dozen convenient store burritos, six bowls of five-alarm chili, three cans of BBQ baked beans, and two hotdogs with extra jalapenos and onions.

Talk about destructive power on a multiversal scale. :eek:

See, I'm thinking after the burritos and two bowls of that chili, the Living Tribunal would have stepped in to confront the threat that Galactus had become by THEN.