15 db characters vs 15 marvel/dc characters

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

im glad that someone even created a thread were u put 15 superheros against goku. its crazy but its an honor.. but how about making a thread where u put 15 db characters against any 15 from dc/marvel. heres my 15 db characters.

1.ssj4 gogeta
2.omega shenron(i wonder if nova shenron is equivilent to a red sun)
3.super 17
4.mystic gohan
5.super buu
6.super perfect cell
7.guldo(gynu force)
8.supreme ki
9.dubora
10.namek dragon
11.broly
12.janemba
13.ssj3 gotenks
14.babadi
15.dende

now who can stop that?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

There is no need for 15 character´s.
I know character´s that can beat them all alone.
I place them in correct order.

1, Classic Beyonder (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html)
2, Pre-retcon Molecule man
3, Pre-retcon Amalgam brothers (Basicly TOAA and the Presence working together)
4, The One Above All, the Presence, the Great Evil Beast, Thanos with the Heart.
5, Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies)
6, Infinite (The being that left the seven gem´s)
7, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet (He would equal infinite if he had all the seven gem´s)
8, Phoenix of the White Crown
9, Lucifer Morningstar
10, Michael Morningstar

Each one of these and many more can easiley take on those without any struggle at all.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

There is no need for 15 character´s.
I know character´s that can beat them all alone.
I place them in correct order.

1, Classic Beyonder (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html)
2, Pre-retcon Molecule man
3, Pre-retcon Amalgam brothers (Basicly TOAA and the Presence working together)
4, The One Above All, the Presence, the Great Evil Beast, Thanos with the Heart.
5, Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies)
6, Infinite (The being that left the seven gem´s)
7, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet (He would equal infinite if he had all the seven gem´s)
8, Phoenix of the White Crown
9, Lucifer Morningstar
10, Michael Morningstar

Each one of these and many more can easiley take on those without any struggle at all.

well i do know that classic beyonder might and thanos with the heart might but everyone else eeehhhh..

[Sloth7d]

Stop! Stop! Please!
People, don't we have enough of these threads already?
The dbz fans disagree with the DC/Marvel fans & the marvel/Dc fans disagree with the dbz fans.
Can't we just agree to dissagree?:o

[SSJ4_Mikael]

well i do know that classic beyonder might and thanos with the heart might but everyone else eeehhhh..
I think you underestamte Thanos with the Gauntlet (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg).
He had six of the infinity gem´s:
Soul-gem - Could take away someone´s soul. (This is worse than just take a life)
Power-gem - He could have all the power he wanted, also make beings powerless.
Reality-gem - He could change reality, he could prevent beings from ever being born, he could make their power uselessm, reality itself was his. (The most powerful gem)
Mind-gem - He can take over your mind, enslave you. He shares everyone´s thoughts, and think for them.
Space-gem - He have complete control over time and space.
Time-gem - Allow´s him to control time, If he didn´t allow the time to pass it wouldent, he would be able to take down all the fighter´s beofore anyone have started to think.
---
He didn´t possess the Ego-gem - which allowed the user to manipulate energies. - Absorb power an such. Take example Gojiita´s power and add it to his own.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Stop! Stop! Please!

You want this to stop, even though it will not -- until everyone have learn. (If ever)

People, don't we have enough of these threads already?

Define enough.



The dbz fans disagree with the DC/Marvel fans & the marvel/Dc fans disagree with the dbz fans.


I was a die-hard DBZ/GT fan once, and I´m happy I learned that there is greater power than it.


can't we just agree to dissagree:o


If you don´t want to learn about this - you don´t have to post. In these kind of threads.
The starter of this topic wanted an answer, do you think he will stop just because we ignore him?

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

You want this to stop, even though it will not -- until everyone have learn. (If ever)



Define enough.




I was a die-hard DBZ/GT fan once, and I´m happy I learned that there is greater power than it.



If you don´t want to learn about this - you don´t have to post. In these kind of threads.
The starter of this topic wanted an answer, do you think he will stop just because we ignore him?

thank you

[Sloth7d]

Fine:o .............:O
Goku beats them all at the same time(even his teammates)
Goku wins again.
gameover.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Fine:o .............:O
Goku beats them all at the same time(even his teammates)
Goku wins again.
gameover.

if u dont like this thread, then comment in one that u do like. its not like i said "hey sloth7d who do u think would win...?". if u arent interested then dont waste time typing why you're not

[Sloth7d]

Nope. I'm interested now.
And I gave my answer.
As long as these dbz vs (insert name here) threads are around, I'll be here to defend the z-guys.

[LouFerignoDemon]

well i do know that classic beyonder might and thanos with the heart might but everyone else eeehhhh..

Pretty much everybody on that team could single handedly remove the Z Fighters alone. Especially beings like the Celestial One Above All and the Living Tribunal. And then there's always Galactus, Eternity, Infinity, Death, beings like that.


Not so much any version of the molecule man. He had power, but definitely not the mind.

[Warhammer]

There is no need for 15 character´s.
I know character´s that can beat them all alone.
I place them in correct order.

1, Classic Beyonder (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html)
2, Pre-retcon Molecule man
3, Pre-retcon Amalgam brothers (Basicly TOAA and the Presence working together)
4, The One Above All, the Presence, the Great Evil Beast, Thanos with the Heart.
5, Living Tribunal, Spectre (power varies)
6, Infinite (The being that left the seven gem´s)
7, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet (He would equal infinite if he had all the seven gem´s)
8, Phoenix of the White Crown
9, Lucifer Morningstar
10, Michael Morningstar

Each one of these and many more can easiley take on those without any struggle at all.

:up:

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

goku could read thoughts at powerlevel 180,000...
guldo can freeze time.
the dragon is immortal and can grant almost any wish.
no one can use the same move twice on a mastered ssj4 goku.
omega shenron basically controls all the elements of the world.
both jenemba and dubora are basically death.
janemba changed the rules of hell and broke the barrier between the living and the dead. so even if they kill all the characters, they still will be able to fight..
they also can wish for IMMORTALITY
majin buu and ssj3 gotenks can break through dimentions
vegetto was turned into candy and still had control of his full power.
babadi can basically transport himself to anywhere in the multiverse.
dende can heal anyone who is hurt.
supreme kai and goku can teleport not just them but anyone who they touch

so basically, this fight is far from easy

[Warhammer]

Stop! Stop! Please!
People, don't we have enough of these threads already?
The dbz fans disagree with the DC/Marvel fans & the marvel/Dc fans disagree with the dbz fans.
Can't we just agree to dissagree?:o

Some people who like DBZ more than Comics definitely could put their bias aside, though. Not all DBZ fans will vote for Chi-Chi over Superman just because, at least I hope not. :(

[LouFerignoDemon]

Aside from most of that list actually being immortal to begin with, eight of them dictating would could and couldn't even work inside of the multiverse.

(Liked those Dragonballs? The LT and such just decreed them to never work in unison with each other, and shunted them into pocket universes full of nothing, and erected impassable barriers around them.)

Most of those guys pass through dimensions like nothing, whereas the DBZ characters needed lots of energy and effort.

Most of those people can't even BE transformed into anything unless a weapon of collossal power such as the Ultimate Nullifier, Heart of the Universe, or the Infinity Gauntlet was used.

Most of those guys can instantaneously heal people.

Most of them can teleport themselves, planets, galaxies, whatever they want anywhere in the multiverse with thoughts.

Death is there, so Janemba even attempting to break her indomitable domain wouldn't work, since she'd just annihilate him, and render him into one of her little creatures.

And only two of them can't manipulate reality to the point of everything on Earth. The rest can pretty much, (Especially numbers 1-6) just mess with the rest of the atoms in the universe.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Some people who like DBZ more than Comics definitely could put their bias aside, though. Not all DBZ fans will vote for Chi-Chi over Superman just because, at least I hope not. :(

They will though. And that makes me afraid. :(


Someone hold me. :o

[Warhammer]

:(

Watch it happen in that tournament thread.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

goku could read thoughts at powerlevel 180,000...

Mind-gem can not only make you read thoughts, but also control them.

guldo can freeze time.

Yes, but he have to fill his lungs with air for that. He wouldent have the time to do that because Thanos wouldent give him that.

the dragon is immortal and can grant almost any wish.

When Daimo Pikkoro because young he killed the Dragon, with a mouth blast.

no one can use the same move twice on a mastered ssj4 goku.

There wouldent be a second time.


omega shenron basically controls all

Acording to Gojiita, no.


the elements of the world.
both jenemba and dubora are basically death.


Dabra is the strongest in the Universe in his dimention, which is like an other side of a coin compared to our world.
People can kill after he was dead he isnt Death.

Janemba was just the unity of all evil there was.
People could kill bofere he existed, he isnt Death.

janemba changed the rules of hell and broke the barrier between the living and the dead. so even if they kill all the characters, they still will be able to fight..

He had the power to break through dimentions?
So had Pre-crisis Superman.

they also can wish for IMMORTALITY

Yes, but it can easiley be removed by higher being´s such as Living Tribunal even the Reality gem itself could do that.

majin buu and ssj3 gotenks can break through dimentions

So could Janemba, and Pre-crisis Suprman and Super-boy Prime ect.

vegetto was turned into candy and still had control of his full power.

The magic Boo have used was to weak to affect Bejiito since he had a high mental resistance.

babadi can basically transport himself to anywhere in the multiverse.

No, he needed a ship, just Kaioshin coul teloport within all the universe if it was multiverse than he would be able to vissit Mirai Torankusu.

dende can heal anyone who is hurt.

True, but there wont be any damage, just instant deaths.

supreme kai and goku can teleport not just them but anyone who they touch

Should they run, why? -- The once on that list can do it too.


so basically, this fight is far from easy


Not really.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The difference is you can allways count the powerlevel´s in Dorangonbaru.
They are in other word finíte.

I agree that Kamesennin (Roshi) would squat Spider-man like a bug and so.

But the cosmic beings like Eternity and such are infinite. You cannot messure their power with numbers.

[Sloth7d]

The Dbz characters are pretty much immune to omnipotent effects.
In Dbz it seems by their laws that once you reach a certain amount of power most things don't work on you.
The only way any of these beings you stated can beat the Z-fighters Omegavegito stated is if they went back in time and killed them while they were babies, but I doubt they'd do that since most of them are too concieted to think they'd have to go to those measues. Maybe Thanos might panic and do it, but I doubt the other beings would.

[param]

damn! I hope you guys know what you're talking about here.

Top 15 DBU characters? Super Buu/Gohan, who could rip holes through reality and bring the other reals down along with the real time Universe, or Kid Buu who could vape galaxies? Or Base Vegetto to who that Super Buu was a child's play? Or Omega Shenron who could hand Vegetto and Super Buu their ass's just by wishing they were dead? Or Ssj4 Goggeta? Or the DB's fused kid Goku - The one with the Shenron?

I don't see anyone below the power of The Specre/The Living Tribunal take them down.
(btw, these are all anime versions)

[MSGohan]

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg <-- If only I got a penny everytime I heard that...

[LouFerignoDemon]

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igmakesyousupremeinallrealitie.jpg <-- If only I got a penny everytime I heard that...


Then you'd probably still be fairly poor. Despite what people may think, pretty much only the cosmic entities ever say that. It's just a cliche thing, such as superhero's saying "Citizen." Few ever really DO say it, but it sticks nontheless.

Unless you mean the "Nothing is beyond (insert character name)" Then I'll go for that. Villans say that all the time. Or at least often enough.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The Dbz characters are pretty much immune to omnipotent effects.
In Dbz it seems by their laws that once you reach a certain amount of power most things don't work on you.
The only way any of these beings you stated can beat the Z-fighters Omegavegito stated is if they went back in time and killed them while they were babies, but I doubt they'd do that since most of them are too concieted to think they'd have to go to those measues. Maybe Thanos might panic and do it, but I doubt the other beings would.
But the omnipotent effects that the DB character´s have gone through wasent really that impressive.
Thanos is with no doubt one of the the smartest being´s in comicdome.
How else do you think he got the omnipotent artifact´s like the cosmic cube, the gem´s and the heart.
He´s also pretty powerful without them, when he battles to max, the solarsystem (if not galaxies like Odin) he´s in get´s destroyed by all the side-damages.
Now in the series, he´s a member if the infinity watch and possess the mighiest gem, the reality-gem. He would be able to re-write the reality they are fighting in and make chi useless.

[Warhammer]

I agree Mikael.

[buutenks]

The strongest 15 dbz characters vs Pre-crisis Superman.



Edit:I don't use much of the anime,only some feats that don't contradict the manga.
Bt you guys could use them if you want

First fight:Their manga version.

Second fight:anime version.....against their anime version you could add Superman 1,000,000 and Superman prime.

[buutenks]

damn! I hope you guys know what you're talking about here.

Top 15 DBU characters? Super Buu/Gohan, who could rip holes through reality and bring the other reals down along with the real time Universe, or Kid Buu who could vape galaxies? Or Base Vegetto to who that Super Buu was a child's play? Or Omega Shenron who could hand Vegetto and Super Buu their ass's just by wishing they were dead? Or Ssj4 Goggeta? Or the DB's fused kid Goku - The one with the Shenron?

I don't see anyone below the power of The Specre/The Living Tribunal take them down.
(btw, these are all anime versions)

Wrong,the GT characters have weak feats,so don't use them.

[Jplaya2023]

Goku wins


exactly i dont even know why nikkas argue this

[LouFerignoDemon]

The Dbz characters are pretty much immune to omnipotent effects.
In Dbz it seems by their laws that once you reach a certain amount of power most things don't work on you.
The only way any of these beings you stated can beat the Z-fighters Omegavegito stated is if they went back in time and killed them while they were babies, but I doubt they'd do that since most of them are too concieted to think they'd have to go to those measues. Maybe Thanos might panic and do it, but I doubt the other beings would.


Tell that to people like Galactus, who is still subject to higher beings laws.


It isn't some physical energy that gives the cosmic beings their power. It's usually something FAR more powerful. And it's usually conceptual.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The strongest 15 dbz characters vs Pre-crisis Superman.



Edit:I don't use much of the anime,only some feats that don't contradict the manga.
Bt you guys could use them if you want

First fight:Their manga version.

Second fight:anime version.....against their anime version you could add Superman 1,000,000 and Superman prime.

Utilizing SMP and SMOM is somewhat of an overkill on the same team to pretty much ANY opposing team.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Utilizing SMP and SMOM is somewhat of an overkill on the same team to pretty much ANY opposing team.

no way superman prime and pre cisis could take on all 15 buy themselves..precrisis would die first but no way will ssj4 gogeta and omega shenron lose

[LouFerignoDemon]

People who play checkers with planets when they're bored, could annihilate the entire several thousand roster of the Green Lantern Corps. individually, and never show one scratch or bruise for it. Yeah, they're total pushovers incapable of much.

[Jplaya2023]

People who play checkers with planets when they're bored, could annihilate the entire several thousand roster of the Green Lantern Corps. individually, and never show one scratch or bruise for it. Yeah, they're total pushovers incapable of much.

has absolutely nothing to do with fighting just gay stupid random power stuff like someone being able to sneeze planets out of orbit or whatever.

[Sloth7d]

All I know is It took a universal spirit bomb to kill Omega Shenron.
The power of the entire universe! And it barely killed him!
SS4 Gogeta makes him look like nothing without trying. So in the end the entire power of the universe probably couldn't kill SS4 Gogeta. In conclusion SS4Gogeta would pwn everyone on any list before anyone even thought to defend themselves.

[MSGohan]

It isn't some physical energy that gives the cosmic beings their power. It's usually something FAR more powerful. And it's usually conceptual.
1. Define "Physical energy".
2. Those things are probably never even mentioned in the comics why come up with something like that? If that is what concluded, then give reasons.
3. Besides, don't compare DBZ characters to abstract beings (if they even are abstract as you asume). Superman isn't an abstract being so that's a different story. I hope I don't need to express this further in details.

[Leto Atrides]

has absolutely nothing to do with fighting just gay stupid random power stuff like someone being able to sneeze planets out of orbit or whatever.

You always say things like this. For the love of God they're not in a goddamn skills contest. People on both sides have cosmic powers (of varying prominence). Why would they bother with physically fighting?

[Jplaya2023]

You always say things like this. For the love of God they're not in a goddamn skills contest. People on both sides have cosmic powers (of varying prominence). Why would they bother with physically fighting?

Because this thread is about them "fighting" not thinking eachother out of existence of ****ting out galaxies or something as retarded as that.

We want fights no dum sheeeit.

[Warhammer]

Fighting skills dont matter. It's a versus thread.
They are against each other. It doesn't matter how it is finished as long as it gets finished.

[red-five]

Fighting skills dont matter. It's a versus thread.
They are against each other. It doesn't matter how it is finished as long as it gets finished.
what good is strength gonna do
if you cant throw a decent punch
or combo at your enemy

[Leto Atrides]

1. They can. Where did the idea come from that they don't have fighting skill?

2. Many of them (ex. Thanos) are much larger than Z-Fighters. They can just crush them, it it came to that.

Barring the fact that they are skilled warriors, and if they want to they could just will themselves martial arts ability if they wanted to, skill alone does not win a fight.

[Harlekin]

Thanos with the HotU imagines a world without Dragonball characters. Done and won.

[Warhammer]

what good is strength gonna do
if you cant throw a decent punch
or combo at your enemy

It's not like Superman or any other superhero can't throw a punch or don't know how to. :rolleyes:

Some DBZ fans just bring fighting skills into this because you want another excuse to why a DBZ character should win.

[Jplaya2023]

1. They can. Where did the idea come from that they don't have fighting skill?

2. Many of them (ex. Thanos) are much larger than Z-Fighters. They can just crush them, it it came to that.

Barring the fact that they are skilled warriors, and if they want to they could just will themselves martial arts ability if they wanted to, skill alone does not win a fight.

you cant crush something u cant catch so that idea is out.

[Jplaya2023]

Thanos with the HotU imagines a world without Dragonball characters. Done and won.

this is just stupid, he's not even using his "own" power he's using the HotU to do stupid sheeit.

[Jplaya2023]

It's not like Superman or any other superhero can't throw a punch or don't know how to. :rolleyes:

Some DBZ fans just bring fighting skills into this because you want another excuse to why a DBZ character should win.

they cant throw effective punches or combo's or chain moves to defeat dbz characters in a fight.

[Harlekin]

this is just stupid, he's not even using his "own" power he's using the HotU to do stupid sheeit.
Okay, than the Living Tribunal does the exact same thing. Done and won.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

All I know is It took a universal spirit bomb to kill Omega Shenron.
The power of the entire universe! And it barely killed him!
SS4 Gogeta makes him look like nothing without trying. So in the end the entire power of the universe probably couldn't kill SS4 Gogeta. In conclusion SS4Gogeta would pwn everyone on any list before anyone even thought to defend themselves.
The DB Universe = 4 Galaxies.
And yes even Post-retcon Beyonder (present version) was a entire universe.
He beat no one in the list i wrote.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

this is just stupid, he's not even using his "own" power he's using the HotU to do stupid sheeit.
Pre-retcon Beyonder was stronger than God himself, he was nothing but an other insect for the Beyonder. TOAA´s law was not even noticed by Pre-retcon Beyonder. He desroyed the multi-verses a serval of times just for fun. And just with a finger.

[Leto Atrides]

you cant crush something u cant catch so that idea is out.

They can just make themselves faster, or make the Z Fighters slower.

[Warhammer]

Jplaya's just mad because no one is rooting for DBZ.
And who cares if Superman isn't a top martial artist with the greatest fighting skills the world has ever seen?
In the terms of Superheroes and DBZ, Raw power > fighting skills.

- If a linebacker went up against the skinny nerd who happened to know Kung-Fu?
Obviously knowing Kung-Fu would make the nerd a better fighter than the linebacker, so would the nerd win in a fight?

- Obviously Goku was a better fighter than Super Buu or Omega Shenron, so why didn't he beat them if better fighting skills can make you the winner?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Thanos with the HotU imagines a world without Dragonball characters. Done and won.

Better yet, Living Tribunal makes the DBZ universe go away, and seals it, forcing everybody in every other universe to forget.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Jplaya's just mad because no one is rooting for DBZ.
And who cares if Superman isn't a top martial artist with the greatest fighting skills the world has ever seen?
In the terms of Superheroes and DBZ, Raw power > fighting skills.

- If a linebacker went up against the skinny nerd who happened to know Kung-Fu?
Obviously knowing Kung-Fu would make the nerd a better fighter than the linebacker, so would the nerd win in a fight?

- Obviously Goku was a better fighter than Super Buu or Omega Shenron, so why didn't he beat them if better fighting skills can make you the winner?

Lack of raw power necessary to overcome the opponent maybe?

[Sloth7d]

Meh-Goku seems stronger than Supes in my opinion.

[Sloth7d]

The DB Universe = 4 Galaxies.
And yes even Post-retcon Beyonder (present version) was a entire universe.
He beat no one in the list i wrote.
Yeah, but we don't know how big those galaxies are.
In theory the universe stretches infinitly without end. If this is also true in the dragonball universe, then those are four big galaxies.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Meh-Goku seems stronger than Supes in my opinion.

Several hundred tons to maybe 70 to a hundred?


Supes easily has it.

[Sloth7d]

manga inconsistencies.
Goku has shown more than enough power to beat Supes easily outside of plotholes.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Inconsistencies don't lead up to consistency. So that means it's either hard to repeat, or unrepeatable. He hasn't really done anything strength wise I'd consider in Superman's range.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Meh-Goku seems stronger than Supes in my opinion.
Gokou seems stronger than Superman in the most´s opinion.
Reason: Superman -TAS can´t compare to Gokou -Anime.

[SupahSaiyangirl]

why are there threads like these everyone knows that as long as there are dbz fans and marvel/d.c. fans they will oviously pick there side. i mean thats like not liking your states sports team(ex. most Nc people love the panthers most newyorkers like the knicks) so of course your coing to pick your favs even though the odds of wining are slim to none. like a dbz fan how ever absured it is will say chichi is stronger than superman and the d.c. fan would say thats crazy even though the are tecnically right as dbz fan will swear up and down chichi is stonger thats just how it goes. Its pointless to tell either side that their wrong when it comes to these things. But ill answer the thread the dbz crew would win simply because the dbz universe seems to change its rules or simple forget its own rules if it allows thr good guys to win or the bad guys to get the upper hand so put simply Dbz universe is flexible to allow them to do whatever.

ive done enough venting 4 today:O :O :) :O :O

[Warhammer]

why are there threads like these everyone knows that as long as there are dbz fans and marvel/d.c. fans they will oviously pick there side. i mean thats like not liking your states sports team(ex. most Nc people love the panthers most newyorkers like the knicks) so of course your coing to pick your favs even though the odds of wining are slim to none. like a dbz fan how ever absured it is will say chichi is stronger than superman and the d.c. fan would say thats crazy even though the are tecnically right as dbz fan will swear up and down chichi is stonger thats just how it goes. Its pointless to tell either side that their wrong when it comes to these things. But ill answer the thread the dbz crew would win simply because the dbz universe seems to change its rules or simple forget its own rules if it allows thr good guys to win or the bad guys to get the upper hand so put simply Dbz universe is flexible to allow them to do whatever.

ive done enough venting 4 today:O :O :) :O :O

Umm.....not really, at least for me. I am a comic and DBZ fan, but I actually put my bias aside and pick a reasonable choice, unlike alot of DBZ people in this forum.

Some would say Oolong would beat Superman, just because he is a DBZ person. Those people are straight up stupid as hell.

[Warhammer]

Gokou seems stronger than Superman in the most´s opinion.
Reason: Superman -TAS can´t compare to Gokou -Anime.

People who base Supes off of the DCAU should read the comics, then decide. Even if they still vote for Goku, it'd be ok, because it isn't DCAU Supes.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Umm.....not really, at least for me. I am a comic and DBZ fan, but I actually put my bias aside and pick a reasonable choice, unlike alot of DBZ people in this forum.

Some would say Oolong would beat Superman, just because he is a DBZ person. Those people are straight up stupid as hell.

Unfortunately.

[param]

Ssj4 Gogetta could only be matched by someone like the Spectre/The Living Tribunal. They may beat Gogetta.

[Warhammer]

Thats your opinion.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Ssj4 Gogetta could only be matched by someone like the Spectre/The Living Tribunal. They may beat Gogetta.
SSJ4 Gojiita have less power than four galaxies.
The Uni-genkidama destroyed Omega Shenlon in one blast.
Gojiita wasent able to kill Omega with his big bang kamehameha in 1 blast.

A galaxy is finite compared to a real universe.
the Universe contains a infinite amount of galaxies.
So a Marvel/DC universe >> DB universe.

Eternity is reality, in other words he have the power of an infinity amount of galaxies, the Living Tribunal you speak of; have the power of the multi-verse.

And if you take it even futher to Pre-retcon Beyonder (whom wasent really a part of any multi-verse) he had the power he wanted to.
Without limmitations (which he put on himself) he would destroy the entire Omni-verse with just a though.

Even with limmitations he had the power of all of the multiverses combinded millions of times.
He even banished the Living Tribunal from the multi-verse.

I can think of about 50 characters who I know can beat Gojiita.

[GarudA]

This thread is just sad and pathetic.

[HULKSTER'04]

HULK would win! i've seen those would be powerful anime superheroes,but they don't show consistency.

[SouLeSS]

Hell, Kyle Raynor could take on all 15 of those pre-crisis. Same with Franklin Richards. Cosmic Spidey, Wolverine, Lobo even.

Seriously, the DBGT/Z characters just arn't that strong compared to some of the characters in the DCU/MU.

The 10 listed on the front page could easily wipe out every character that is in the DBGT/Z universe without even trying.

And, I'll remind you. People in the DBGT/Z universe are stupid. They always start low, then say "WELLL WELL WELL LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TO USE MORE OF MY POWER!" about 20 times before they finally go "IM AT MY FULL POWER AND I CAN BEARLY BEAT HIM!". DCU/MU doesn't do that, most of the time. They just go "**** fair fights, I'll use my max from the start."

[Gotenks]

Hell, Kyle Raynor could take on all 15 of those pre-crisis. Same with Franklin Richards. Cosmic Spidey, Wolverine, Lobo even.

Seriously, the DBGT/Z characters just arn't that strong compared to some of the characters in the DCU/MU.

The 10 listed on the front page could easily wipe out every character that is in the DBGT/Z universe without even trying.

And, I'll remind you. People in the DBGT/Z universe are stupid. They always start low, then say "WELLL WELL WELL LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TO USE MORE OF MY POWER!" about 20 times before they finally go "IM AT MY FULL POWER AND I CAN BEARLY BEAT HIM!". DCU/MU doesn't do that, most of the time. They just go "**** fair fights, I'll use my max from the start."

Not true.

[SouLeSS]

Sorry, I'm not very well versed and I've never watched and analyzed every epidsode of all series, but for the most part it happens like this:

"I don't want to use my full power, I just want to put up a fair fight!"
"Oh man he's tougher than I thought, Maybe I should pwoer up to halfway!"
"Oh man, he's really powerful, maybe I should go 75%?"
"Wow maybe I have to unleash my full power!"
"Whats this?! I still cant beat them?! Maybe I should just push myself and I might get into some new "form"!"

Seriously. DCU/MU would just be like "whats this? some guy challenges me? I'll just use my 'ultimate' attack to rid myself of this pest".

[HULKSTER'04]

DBZ = Zero LOGIC.......duh????????
MU will eat DBZ.

[Gotenks]

Well superman doesnt go all out or he would destroy everything so please. You obviously know nothing about DBZ.

[Oerwinde]

Any 15 DBZ characters vs Scarlet Witch = Scarlet Witch winner.

[Gotenks]

Oerwide = Not very smart.

[Jplaya2023]

Oerwide = Not very smart.

Oerwide = baka

[SouLeSS]

Using one or two japenese words = Not very smart and makes you look like an douchebag.

[Gotenks]

Check your grammar buddy.

[narutofan236]

Ive seen u post with bad grammar gotenks

[Leto Atrides]

Check your grammer buddy.

Check your spelling buddy :p

[Gotenks]

Haha nice.
I didn't even see that.

[Gotenks]

Ive seen u post with bad grammar gotenks

Correction.
"Gotenks, I've seen you post with bad grammar."

[Oerwinde]

Oerwide = Not very smart.

This is how a battle between Scarlet Witch and 15 DBZ Characters would go

SW: You don't exist
DBZ characters: *cease to exist*

[Sloth7d]

Vegito:Yeah right! Did you think that would work on me? Really you did?
SW:......!
Vegito:Take this!
SW:*dead*

[Gotenks]

This is how a battle between Scarlet Witch and 15 DBZ Characters would go

SW: You don't exist
DBZ characters: *cease to exist*

Ok whatever. :rolleyes:

[SouLeSS]

Vegito:Yeah right! Did you think that would work on me? Really you did?
SW:......!
Vegito:Take this!
SW:*dead*

Except, ya know, no one in the DBU has a "we can't be effected by warping reality" power.

[Sloth7d]

Um... Vegito.

[Warhammer]

Ok whatever. :rolleyes:

Scarlet has the power to do that.
She can beat every DBZ fighter in an instant.

[Gotenks]

Scarlet has the power to do that.
She can beat every DBZ fighter in an instant.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ok whatever :rolleyes:
I never said she couldn't :confused:

[Warhammer]

Obviously if you quoted him and rolled your eyes saying "Whatever", one could assume that you thought SW couldn't.
I only assumed you didnt know by what you said and you clealy didn't have to be a smartass about it. All you had to say was you know.

...just picking fights today, huh? *Sigh*

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ok whatever :rolleyes:
I never said she couldn't :confused:

You didn't have to.

[Gotenks]

Obviously if you quoted him and rolled your eyes saying "Whatever", one could assume that you thought SW couldn't.
I only assumed you didnt know by what you said and you clealy didn't have to be a smartass about it. All you had to say was you know.

...just picking fights today, huh? *Sigh*

I rolled my eyes because we both disagreed so I ended the argument with that. I wasnt picking a fights i was trying to end it.
You know what they say about assuming.

[Gotenks]

You didn't have to.

Well then good thing I didn't.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I rolled my eyes because we both disagreed so I ended the argument with that. I wasnt picking a fights i was trying to end it.
You know what they say about assuming.

That you do a lot of it?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well then good thing I didn't.

Yep, saved my eyes half a second of reading, which I wasted here.

[Gotenks]

That you do a lot of it?
Wow your good.

[Gotenks]

Yep, saved my eyes half a second of reading, which I wasted here.

Ok...

[Gotenks]

Obviously if you quoted him and rolled your eyes saying "Whatever", one could assume that you thought SW couldn't.
I only assumed you didnt know by what you said and you clealy didn't have to be a smartass about it. All you had to say was you know.

...just picking fights today, huh? *Sigh*

Crap I didnt know there was a limit of how far back you can look at someones post.......I bet you did tho.

Oh well I guess all Ihave to say is sorry and that you win seeing that i cant prove you wrong, but I could of swore you said it tho.:D

[Warhammer]

Trust me, I didn't know. That's pretty random.
The mods must've done that back when SHH was down.

I know I said it once, but I don't know about millions of times. :D

Oh well, it's done now. :up:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I think the strongest DB characters are at Thanos (without Equipment) to Odins level.
I mean when Odin battle to the max the galaxy get destroyed.
The highest stated feature was Seru who said: With this chi I can not just destroy this planet, but also the entire solar system.
The solar-system alone is trillions of times the size of the sun which is a million times bigger than a planet (earth).
This would mean that Seru's powerlevel at that point must have been (if we use Bejiita's 18,000 pl as a planet destroyer factor)

18,000*10^24 (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) = 1,8*10^28
Basicly Seru's level must have been.
SSJ2 Seru's powerlevel: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
And than we have the Burori (filler) whom could destroy a galaxy, please don't make me count that...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I'm sorry "trillion" is the wrong term, in US/UK it means: 1,000,000,000,000
In Sweden it definated diffrent. - the term trillion

[Ultra-Herald9]

I think the strongest DB characters are at Thanos (without Equipment) to Odins level.
I mean when Odin battle to the max the galaxy get destroyed.
The highest stated feature was Seru who said: With this chi I can not just destroy this planet, but also the entire solar system.
The solar-system alone is trillions of times the size of the sun which is a million times bigger than a planet (earth).
This would mean that Seru's powerlevel at that point must have been (if we use Bejiita's 18,000 pl as a planet destroyer factor)

18,000*10^24 (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) = 1,8*10^28
Basicly Seru's level must have been.
SSJ2 Seru's powerlevel: 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
And than we have the Burori (filler) whom could destroy a galaxy, please don't make me count that...

impressive but PLEASE stop trying to caculate DBZ mathmatically thats the precise reason Akira Toriyama stopped doing powerlevels cause if he continued a Super Saiyin 2 have destructive power comparable to a Super-Massive Black Hole! Plus Vegeta destroying that planet was filler also only meant to make Vegata more intimidating.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Double

[LouFerignoDemon]

impressive but PLEASE stop trying to caculate DBZ mathmatically thats the precise reason Akira Toriyama stopped doing powerlevels cause if he continued a Super Saiyin 2 have destructive power comparable to a Super-Massive Black Hole! Plus Vegeta destroying that planet was filler also only meant to make Vegata more intimidating.

Unfortunately, if you try to compare characters on a several levels, the ideas behind math must come into play.


Plus, I finally pissed off Gotenks enough for him to actually put me in his sig as hating me. Isn't that special? Must've been tired of constantly being corrected. Which, by the by Gotenks, don't think I didn't see you trying to again correct someone's grammar and spelling in another thread after you and I just got out of the last bit of you doing that.

[Warhammer]

Haha.
This is great to watch, Mistress and Gotenks. :D :up:

[Sloth7d]

Meh, the only dc/marvel characters Goku can't beat are the cheesy omnipotentent beings.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Unfortunately, if you try to compare characters on a several levels, the ideas behind math must come into play.


Plus, I finally pissed off Gotenks enough for him to actually put me in his sig as hating me. Isn't that special? Must've been tired of constantly being corrected. Which, by the by Gotenks, don't think I didn't see you trying to again correct someone's grammar and spelling in another thread after you and I just got out of the last bit of you doing that.
Hate have no place in sience (this almost work like sience, proof > speculation).
The only reason for hate to be born here is subejctivism (when someone have their own view)
Like would you call Mandela a terrorist or a liberation-hero, a while ago we would call him a terrorist. But this is our opinion, we thought he was a terrorist, and in some eyes he still is. - It's just what perspective you view it from.

Here in forums action allways surpasses statements, and speculation is not to be used.
Seru could destroy a solarsystem, because he stated it, and he wasent corrected/missproven. - So that's a fact.
But the DB fighters are kinda vulnerable, they could never survive the destruction of a planet for example. Not even in the chibi Boo saga.
And they werent that fast, aproximate lightspeed (or slight higher- at max) and their physical strenght was low. - 40 ton's in base is too much? - And he get's around 3 times stronger when going SSJ (kiri-scale: 3000 kiri >> 800 (Yakhun)

It's hard to compare them to Marvel/DC character's who have explanations.
5,977,000,000,000,000,000,000 ton's is the weight of earth.
So they could not move the planet like Pre-crisis Superboy/-man, Superboy Prime or Superman Prime.
Hulk once braced (lifted) 150,000,000,000 tons

And I'm tired of hearing, DB fighters could fly around they earth a thousand times, because even if they did it would not be; 9,600 million times lightspeed (Flash top speed, calculated when he saved everyone from Paris)
Obviously it's a typo becuas it said: 0,001 micro seconds.
obviously it should be: 0,001 seconds or 1 microsecond - or if it wasent a typo it would say: 1 nano second.

However DC/Marvel characters are clearly underestimated by DB fans.

[Sloth7d]

The supersaiyan transformation multiplies there abilities atleast 80x off of there baseline mark.
This simple fact is known because Goku using Kaio ken x20 could barely keep up with Freeza when freeza was using 20% of his max power. Yet when he went Ssj he could defeat Freeza at his 100% maximum.
And I'll also add that DB characters are highly underestimated by comic fans aswell.
Both fanbases are guilty of underestimating the others heroes and villains.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The supersaiyan transformation multiplies there abilities atleast 80x off of there baseline mark.
This simple fact is known because Goku using Kaio ken x20 could barely keep up with Freeza when freeza was using 20% of his max power. Yet when he went Ssj he could defeat Freeza at his 100% maximum.
And I'll also add that DB characters are highly underestimated by comic fans aswell.
Both fanbases are guilty of underestimating the others heroes and villains.
Frûiza using 20% = filler.

In final for he fought Gokou evently.
Later Fruiza went 50% and Gokou turned on KaiOken x10, but first when he went x20 he was able to cause some dmg (-than they were about equal).

Gokou base = Final Fruiza
Kaioken 10 Gokou < Final Fruiza (50%)
KaiOken 20 Gokou = Final Fruiza (50%)
Final Fruiza 100% >2x> Final Fruiza 50% = KOK20 Gokou
Final Fruiza 100% = KaiOken 40 Gokou (This is just for imagination, KOK 40 did not exist)
SSJ Gokou > Fruiza 100% - He was playing and still had the upper hand.
He wanted Fruiza to suffer defeat, not kill him, thats why he let his power drain.
Gokou is aroximate 50 times stronger than his base.

KOK was stoped being used because of the SSJ, and because of the life-force drain.

Gokou while fighting Yakhun was stated to be greater than Yakhun, even though he couldent see, you can also see that he easiley avoid his attacks.

Gokou (base) > Yakhun = 800 kiri
Now it's pretty safe to say that Gokou is aproximate 1,000 kiri.
SSJ Gokou was stated to be 3 thousand kiri's.
So there SSJ just incressed the amount with 3 times.

So logicaly: The more powerful the user become the less do SSJ fold his power.

[Sloth7d]

Bibidi's power reading scales seemed incosistent to me.
For starters it contradicts everything the scouters ever recorded as a power level. Another thing is how it could only read a certain amount, seeing that it is not a digital scale. So the limit it can read is already predetermined. And I don't think thats how SSj works. Otherwise you're suggesting that by the Buu saga Kaio kenx20(if he used it)>Ssj.That logic also suggest Ooozaru(if he used it)>Ssj. And that doesn't seem likely. I think its more probable the babidi's scales were a loop whole.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Gokou didnt use KaiOken because it shorten his life, Oozaru was uncontrolable.
But if you read the manga you see how KOK gets forgotten.
I mean at that point Gokou would be able to use KaiOken 500 or something... (Buu saga) See it as a retcon.

[Sloth7d]

The manga actually states it gets forgotten or does Goku just never use it again.
And I doubt Akira Toriyama reconned how Ssj works. I just think he wanted to use a energy reader that is able to track the z-fighters power levels better, but he messed up and created loopholes.
Ssj would still be a 50x jump. The only thing that condradicts this are the loophole energy scales in the Buu saga.
Also, I never remember it beeing stated that Kaio-ken drains his life. I do remember it being stated to be too straineous to achieve the stae for too long.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

All we know is that first SSJ was an incresse >40 (above 40).
And that he in Babidi saga was aproximate 3 times stronger.

The rest is just speculation.

[Sloth7d]

I'll go with the freeza saga power up.
I don't think Ssj is an add on bonus, rather its a multiplied bonus.
Most transformations in alot of animes usually are multiplied bonuses so I'll go with that and think of the buu saga as a loophole. I always have before anyway.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Unfortunately, if you try to compare characters on a several levels, the ideas behind math must come into play.


Plus, I finally pissed off Gotenks enough for him to actually put me in his sig as hating me. Isn't that special? Must've been tired of constantly being corrected. Which, by the by Gotenks, don't think I didn't see you trying to again correct someone's grammar and spelling in another thread after you and I just got out of the last bit of you doing that.

yeah I noticed Gotenks new sig. That just seems childish..........*sigh* and I thought Gotenks was different........

[Gotenks]

yeah I noticed Gotenks new sig. That just seems childish..........*sigh* and I thought Gotenks was different........

How did you think I was differrent?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Your signature rules Gotenks! Hahaha, priceless...
But I will have to use it for my own needs, but you wont see it on internet though.

[Gotenks]

Unfortunately, if you try to compare characters on a several levels, the ideas behind math must come into play.


Plus, I finally pissed off Gotenks enough for him to actually put me in his sig as hating me. Isn't that special? Must've been tired of constantly being corrected. Which, by the by Gotenks, don't think I didn't see you trying to again correct someone's grammar and spelling in another thread after you and I just got out of the last bit of you doing that.

Im not pissed. The idea of my sig was thought up a while ago. I just never had the time to do it, or just forgot. Why would I be tired of being corrected I try to learn from my mistakes. You will probaby say " Well you haven't!" Thats because you jump on me for every little thing. I could have one letter missing from a word and you get on my case. I only corrected that guy because he was bad-mouthing DBZ. I just responded or at least I think thats the thread your talking about.


P.S. Lol @ "Which, by the by Gotenks..."

[Gotenks]

Your signature rules Gotenks! Hahaha, priceless...
But I will have to use it for my own needs, but you wont see it on internet though.

Thanks.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Im not pissed. The idea of my sig was thought up a while ago. I just never had the time to do it, or just forgot. Why would I be tired of being corrected I try to learn from my mistakes. You will probaby say " Well you haven't!" Thats because you jump on me for every little thing. I could have one letter missing from a word and you get on my case. I only corrected that guy because he was bad-mouthing DBZ. I just responded or at least I think thats the thread your talking about.


P.S. Lol @ "Which, by the by Gotenks..."

Actually, I hardly jump on you at all. Just that one time, where you didn't need to correct someone like some ******* that you did, and so I simply went forth to correct you.

Needing to correct someone's grammar and spelling for ANY reason is lame, and so I treated you as such. Which actually, when you think about it, kind of makes me lame since I would have corrected you for the same reason you corrected that guy. Hmm... Oh well, I never said I was a nice person anyway.

And the truth is, you haven't learned. You simply stumble into the same situation.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hate have no place in sience (this almost work like sience, proof > speculation).
The only reason for hate to be born here is subejctivism (when someone have their own view)
Like would you call Mandela a terrorist or a liberation-hero, a while ago we would call him a terrorist. But this is our opinion, we thought he was a terrorist, and in some eyes he still is. - It's just what perspective you view it from.

Here in forums action allways surpasses statements, and speculation is not to be used.
Seru could destroy a solarsystem, because he stated it, and he wasent corrected/missproven. - So that's a fact.
But the DB fighters are kinda vulnerable, they could never survive the destruction of a planet for example. Not even in the chibi Boo saga.
And they werent that fast, aproximate lightspeed (or slight higher- at max) and their physical strenght was low. - 40 ton's in base is too much? - And he get's around 3 times stronger when going SSJ (kiri-scale: 3000 kiri >> 800 (Yakhun)

It's hard to compare them to Marvel/DC character's who have explanations.
5,977,000,000,000,000,000,000 ton's is the weight of earth.
So they could not move the planet like Pre-crisis Superboy/-man, Superboy Prime or Superman Prime.
Hulk once braced (lifted) 150,000,000,000 tons

And I'm tired of hearing, DB fighters could fly around they earth a thousand times, because even if they did it would not be; 9,600 million times lightspeed (Flash top speed, calculated when he saved everyone from Paris)
Obviously it's a typo becuas it said: 0,001 micro seconds.
obviously it should be: 0,001 seconds or 1 microsecond - or if it wasent a typo it would say: 1 nano second.

However DC/Marvel characters are clearly underestimated by DB fans.

You, of all people, I'm suprised at. You totally shoved what you're trying to do out of the window.

Simply saying something, and proving it, are totally different things. And this is where most comic fans and anime fans totally disagree.

For example, your part about the destruction of a solar system. An anime fan would simply say, "He said it, and it hasn't been disproven. Doesn't matter it hasn't been shown, but it still hasn't been disproven, so it's fact." Where that makes little to no sense. That's like me saying I contain the power in my very hands to destroy a planet, and as long as I don't actually show that I can't do it, people will simply have to believe me until otherwise.

Let's now take a step back and ask this to a comic book fan. We'll use the Sentry even, since he's one of the few people with claims on that level. He was said to have been able to fight Galactus (a being who can wipe out/consume/accidentally destroy solar systems at even sub half power like they were nothing) to a stand still, and the prevailing arguement is that he convinced Galactus that he couldn't win in the fight, and that Galactus simply left, since both characters are still alive.

Is it true? Well, comic fans are torn on this. A ton say no. They haven't seen it. Galactus is an extremely powerful being who can rip lesser beings apart like they aren't there. A person who can take planet shattering blasts and just ignore them. And people say the Sentry can flat out take him on, despite the very fact his striding power doesn't seem to be on that level. Many chalk it up to his confidence, most just simply say the Sentry can't do it. But the fact is that it's been said that he CAN do it. So does the action remain? Can the Sentry then be capable of destroying Galactus, and in turn, capable of destroying entire solar systems? It's been said his power is actually limitless, that he can literally do ANYTHING. But is it true? Someone in the comics, the character who gave the Sentry his power said it was.

See? That's why speculative crap simply doesn't work. I can say I could fist fight Jet Li and win. We've never fought. How do you know I can't? Well, you use logic. And logic says that I can't.

Unfortunately, and this plagues America like no other country (Canada too, but I'm not as hurt by that), logic isn't something natural to those people because logic contains no bias, and it's hard for people to get past that.


Oh, and the Flash's top speed isn't calculated at anything. The speed force grants him infinite speed, he just runs the risk of being consumed by the speed force, though he can always get back out. When you can outrun instantaneous teleportation, you move at beyond infinite speed in fact, because then you can actually move through time.

And most, if not all, of DBZ characters towards the end of DBZ were capable of outlasting a planetary explosion if they had the energy required for it. Survive in space? Probably not.

[Gotenks]

Actually, I hardly jump on you at all. Just that one time, where you didn't need to correct someone like some ******* that you did, and so I simply went forth to correct you.

Needing to correct someone's grammar and spelling for ANY reason is lame, and so I treated you as such. Which actually, when you think about it, kind of makes me lame since I would have corrected you for the same reason you corrected that guy. Hmm... Oh well, I never said I was a nice person anyway.

And the truth is, you haven't learned. You simply stumble into the same situation.

...And I never said I was a nice person either. You proved my point once again.
So what your saying is that im lame and your lame and that I should move to France so we can get married and have a hapy family?

[Sloth7d]

You, of all people, I'm suprised at. You totally shoved what you're trying to do out of the window.

Simply saying something, and proving it, are totally different things. And this is where most comic fans and anime fans totally disagree.

For example, your part about the destruction of a solar system. An anime fan would simply say, "He said it, and it hasn't been disproven. Doesn't matter it hasn't been shown, but it still hasn't been disproven, so it's fact." Where that makes little to no sense. That's like me saying I contain the power in my very hands to destroy a planet, and as long as I don't actually show that I can't do it, people will simply have to believe me until otherwise.

Let's now take a step back and ask this to a comic book fan. We'll use the Sentry even, since he's one of the few people with claims on that level. He was said to have been able to fight Galactus (a being who can wipe out/consume/accidentally destroy solar systems at even sub half power like they were nothing) to a stand still, and the prevailing arguement is that he convinced Galactus that he couldn't win in the fight, and that Galactus simply left, since both characters are still alive.

Is it true? Well, comic fans are torn on this. A ton say no. They haven't seen it. Galactus is an extremely powerful being who can rip lesser beings apart like they aren't there. A person who can take planet shattering blasts and just ignore them. And people say the Sentry can flat out take him on, despite the very fact his striding power doesn't seem to be on that level. Many chalk it up to his confidence, most just simply say the Sentry can't do it. But the fact is that it's been said that he CAN do it. So does the action remain? Can the Sentry then be capable of destroying Galactus, and in turn, capable of destroying entire solar systems? It's been said his power is actually limitless, that he can literally do ANYTHING. But is it true? Someone in the comics, the character who gave the Sentry his power said it was.

See? That's why speculative crap simply doesn't work. I can say I could fist fight Jet Li and win. We've never fought. How do you know I can't? Well, you use logic. And logic says that I can't.

Unfortunately, and this plagues America like no other country (Canada too, but I'm not as hurt by that), logic isn't something natural to those people because logic contains no bias, and it's hard for people to get past that.


Oh, and the Flash's top speed isn't calculated at anything. The speed force grants him infinite speed, he just runs the risk of being consumed by the speed force, though he can always get back out. When you can outrun instantaneous teleportation, you move at beyond infinite speed in fact, because then you can actually move through time.

And most, if not all, of DBZ characters towards the end of DBZ were capable of outlasting a planetary explosion if they had the energy required for it. Survive in space? Probably not.
Akira Toriyama wouldn't have wrote it if it wasn't true. I think he was trying to give the reader an idea of how strong Cell had become.
There's probably more in there to rebut, but I'll be honest and admit that I didn't read it all.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Akira Toriyama wouldn't have wrote it if it wasn't true. I think he was trying to give the reader an idea of how strong Cell had become.
There's probably more in there to rebut, but I'll be honest and admit that I didn't read it all.

That's like saying that no comic book writer wouldn't have wrote it if it weren't true.

[Sloth7d]

Um....they wouldn't let it go disproven if it wasn't.

[LouFerignoDemon]

...And I never said I was a nice person either. You proved my point once again.
So what your saying is that im lame and your lame and that I should move to France so we can get married and have a hapy family?

No. I demand certain qualities out of my mate.

And I didn't really prove any of your points.

All I'm saying is dump the childish fanboy crap. And I'll definitely treat you nicer.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Um....they wouldn't let it go disproven if it wasn't.

Yeah, they would.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, they would.
That would be senselessly misleading the reader. I doubt thats what happened here. Seeing as Cell was killed off shortly afterwards.

[LouFerignoDemon]

That would be senselessly misleading the reader. I doubt thats what happened here. Seeing as Cell was killed off shortly afterwards.


It's not misleading. I don't even know how it would be misleading if one saw it for a rant.

[Gotenks]

No. I demand certain qualities out of my mate.

And I didn't really prove any of your points.

All I'm saying is dump the childish fanboy crap. And I'll definitely treat you nicer.

Im no Fanboy.
I won't change for anyone seeing that you said it yourself that you weren't a nice person.

[Sloth7d]

It's not misleading. I don't even know how it would be misleading if one saw it for a rant.
I'm still convinced Toriyama wouldn't have written it had it not been true.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No. I demand certain qualities out of my mate.

And I didn't really prove any of your points.

All I'm saying is dump the childish fanboy crap. And I'll definitely treat you nicer.

*Slaps Mistress Gluon*

You're not here to make friend, this is a forum, made for debating.
The fact is that you probobly never will meet anyone on this forum in person.

You are not in position to demand anything from the forum members exept for proof regarding the topic.

It seems like you are trying to create a little group of "mates" that you will listen more carefully to. In other words: That you won't ignore!
Gotenks deserves as much repect as any other in this forum.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Gotenks is an intelligent member who even I look up to.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Gotenks is an intelligent member who even I look up to.
really? Hey to each his own I guess.....

[SSJ4_Mikael]

really? Hey to each his own I guess.....
Only the infernor members cannot admit a superior.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Only the infernor members cannot admit a superior.
Hey man I admit when someone is superior but for me to do that they have to bring facts to the table.

[Gotenks]

Your sayng that like I have never brought facts before.

[Gotenks]

Trust me, I didn't know. That's pretty random.
The mods must've done that back when SHH was down.

I know I said it once, but I don't know about millions of times. :D

Oh well, it's done now. :up:

Wait I found one....

...If DBZ is not mentioned or if someone says, "Naruto and DBZ are the only anime worth watching."

Even tho its over this is what I was talking about.
I found it in the moblie suit gundam thread.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Your sayng that like I have never brought facts before.

No offense but I can't remeber a time were you brought some actual facts.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Im no Fanboy.
I won't change for anyone seeing that you said it yourself that you weren't a nice person.

I'm not a nice person, doesn't mean I don't treat people with respect who deserve it.

But if you decided to base insult someone simply because they were blasting DBZ, that sounds like a fanboy to me.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm still convinced Toriyama wouldn't have written it had it not been true.

And I'm convinced that he had enough creativity to create characters who can boast.

[SouLeSS]

SAo back on topic, the top 15 DB chars couldn't even harm Thanos with HOTU.

[LouFerignoDemon]

*Slaps Mistress Gluon*

You're not here to make friend, this is a forum, made for debating.
The fact is that you probobly never will meet anyone on this forum in person.

You are not in position to demand anything from the forum members exept for proof regarding the topic.

It seems like you are trying to create a little group of "mates" that you will listen more carefully to. In other words: That you won't ignore!
Gotenks deserves as much repect as any other in this forum.

A slap? I'm apalled! Not really, but it sounds like the right thing to say.

Either way. I don't view the forum and it's human interaction as something just to blast back and forth in. I'm more than happy to make friends in a forum, as it's not only here for debate. (For if it were, my solemn wish is that America would be nuked, and this "place of debate" would be lost among the ashes of history.)

Either way, all I have asked for was proof. Though I do get out of line when I see people get into mindless fights over grammar and spelling. It's dumb and pointless. Do I go around and correct everybody with their grammar and spelling as long as they can get their point across easily? Hell no. If I can't understand it, then I shoot out pointers. I don't have to appoint myself grand ruler of literature. It's dumb and BEYOND childish.

And your little points of proof are little more than conjecture. You want to debate, but you don't want to put it up against the harsh judge of science itself, because science doesn't care which side is cooler or not.

As for a little group of "mates" (read: friends) that I listen to? Hardly. Name one friend that I haven't turned around on and "blasted" for being wrong. I listen for one thing, and one thing only: facts and reasonable thought. I do not care if you're my friend, my boyfriend, my girlfriend, or the priest, and I would care even less if you were related to me. If you're going to make such an accusation, back it up.

You can easily say Warhammer, but he has YET to really push any facts to the table that can be debatable, and so I haven't argued with him yet. I've argued with Ultra Herald there even over stuff.

People earn my respect when they deserve it, not when they go around doing childish things.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Gotenks is an intelligent member who even I look up to.

I suggest finding new heros. Or at least help the one you have to form into something to really look up to.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Only the infernor members cannot admit a superior.

Superior implies superior behaviour and knowledge.

[hippy fascist]

the answers lie here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://66.254.99.158/content/6/5/a/65ac1d23fb50f1318992dc6be117340f.gif&imgrefurl=http://wraithofstewy05.ytmnd.com/&h=1000&w=1000&sz=35&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=kAO3ycmKT9KikM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddbz%2Bsucks%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26 lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN)
http://www.kulenski.org/albums/notme/aab.jpg

[Sloth7d]

And I'm convinced that he had enough creativity to create characters who can boast.
I'm glad thats not the case.

[Gotenks]

No offense but I can't remeber a time were you brought some actual facts.

Well I dont remember you even being there everytime I have made a post.

[Gotenks]

I'm not a nice person, doesn't mean I don't treat people with respect who deserve it.

But if you decided to base insult someone simply because they were blasting DBZ, that sounds like a fanboy to me.

You can call me whatever you want.....im no fanboy.

[Gotenks]

Superior implies superior behaviour and knowledge.

Maybe not to much of comics, but I can go toe to toe with anyone in dbz knowledge.

[Gotenks]

Ok guys and gals......im not one to give in and take a loss. You can ask Warhammer. I can only say that....yes I have been childish and I relize that.

Mistress Gluon, the reason that I corrected people is because thats how I was treated when I first came to the hype, so I guess you can say thats how I was brought up in the SSH "world". Even tho it happened to me I know I shouldn't have done it to others. At anytime you think I deserve your respesct just give me a "ring ring". This does not mean I will be sucking up or anything. I will still be the same Gotenks......but better.

Ultra-Herald9, Im not talking out of my butt when I say I know alot about DBZ, cause I do. You may not of ever seen me give facts, but others have, it may have not been in the comic department, but I have. You never answered my question about how you thought I was different?

I wanna say sorry to both of you.



P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me SSJ4 Mikael.:up:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

I suggest finding new heros. Or at least help the one you have to form into something to really look up to.
So you just admit that there are better people to look up too...?
That's just wrong... Telling people how to think... Wrong...:csad:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me SSJ4 Mikael.:up:
What can I say? - I'm the comic-dude here and you're the dbz-dude.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Ok guys and gals......im not one to give in and take a loss. You can ask Warhammer. I can only say that....yes I have been childish and I relize that.

Mistress Gluon, the reason that I corrected people is because thats how I was treated when I first came to the hype, so I guess you can say thats how I was brought up in the SSH "world". Even tho it happened to me I know I shouldn't have done it to others. At anytime you think I deserve your respesct just give me a "ring ring". This does not mean I will be sucking up or anything. I will still be the same Gotenks......but better.

Ultra-Herald9, Im not talking out of my butt when I say I know alot about DBZ, cause I do. You may not of ever seen me give facts, but others have, it may have not been in the comic department, but I have. You never answered my question about how you thought I was different?

I wanna say sorry to both of you.



P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me SSJ4 Mikael.:up:

When I said I thought you were different I meant that at the time I thought you were the standard DBZ biased fanboy who puts down everything that isn't like DBZ in some way and treats the Z warriors like the gods of our time(which of course I know now that you are not really like that).

Don't apologize to me for you have done nothing to apologize about in fact I'm the one who should be apologizing for stereotyping you as a biast fanboy. And i've just been joking around with you when I give you a hard time so don't take it personal at all........:woot: .


I enjoy debates especially ones pitting character against character and I still have a soft spot in my heart for DBZ. If a person brings facts that clearly show a characters power then my opinion can completely change but I find the problem with debating with DBZ fanboys is that they hate bringin actual facts and yet they will talk as if they have proof of a characters superiorty.

[SouLeSS]

Man, you people need to learn to edit your posts instead of just posting 10 times in a row.

[hippy fascist]

agreed!

spammers of the world unite!

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ok guys and gals......im not one to give in and take a loss. You can ask Warhammer. I can only say that....yes I have been childish and I relize that.

Mistress Gluon, the reason that I corrected people is because thats how I was treated when I first came to the hype, so I guess you can say thats how I was brought up in the SSH "world". Even tho it happened to me I know I shouldn't have done it to others. At anytime you think I deserve your respesct just give me a "ring ring". This does not mean I will be sucking up or anything. I will still be the same Gotenks......but better.

Ultra-Herald9, Im not talking out of my butt when I say I know alot about DBZ, cause I do. You may not of ever seen me give facts, but others have, it may have not been in the comic department, but I have. You never answered my question about how you thought I was different?

I wanna say sorry to both of you.



P.S. Thanks for sticking up for me SSJ4 Mikael.:up:

See? That's totally cool. Honesty always earns my respect. Every single time. When someone can say, "Hey, look. I see what I did, and I'm going to enhance myself upon it," I can actually smile here in the real world and know that my faith in the human kind is rewarded.

And no, I don't want a suck up. I hate suck ups. So good choice with that one.

[LouFerignoDemon]

So you just admit that there are better people to look up too...?
That's just wrong... Telling people how to think... Wrong...:csad:

There's always someone better to look up to. Simple fact of life.


Though it totally depends on what you're looking up to them for.

[LouFerignoDemon]

agreed!

spammers of the world unite!


What can I say? I'm lazy.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Huzzah! Everyone's getting along again......

[SSJ4_Mikael]

There's always someone better to look up to. Simple fact of life.


Though it totally depends on what you're looking up to them for.
There is no one better to look up to than the best.

[hippy fascist]

There is no one better to look up to than the best.

best is an unqunatifiable term, like infinity

[SSJ4_Mikael]

best is an unqunatifiable term, like infinity
True... But I think most people's getting what I mean.

[LouFerignoDemon]

There is no one better to look up to than the best.

Best at what?

[Gotenks]

See? That's totally cool. Honesty always earns my respect. Every single time. When someone can say, "Hey, look. I see what I did, and I'm going to enhance myself upon it," I can actually smile here in the real world and know that my faith in the human kind is rewarded.

And no, I don't want a suck up. I hate suck ups. So good choice with that one.

Thanks.
I thought that was a good choice.

[Gotenks]

double.

[CBG]

im glad that someone even created a thread were u put 15 superheros against goku. its crazy but its an honor.. but how about making a thread where u put 15 db characters against any 15 from dc/marvel. heres my 15 db characters.

1.ssj4 gogeta
2.omega shenron(i wonder if nova shenron is equivilent to a red sun)
3.super 17
4.mystic gohan
5.super buu
6.super perfect cell
7.guldo(gynu force)
8.supreme ki
9.dubora
10.namek dragon
11.broly
12.janemba
13.ssj3 gotenks
14.babadi
15.dende

now who can stop that?

Quite a few characters can stop there, even the DBZverse, solo. Omnipotents, nigh-omnipotents, and super cosmics. Even an assembled team of specific characters can do it.

[Endless Mike]

Let's see:

1.ssj4 gogeta - Sentry should deal with him easily enough

2.omega shenron - Surfer beats him

3.super 17 - Genis, to counter the energy thing

4.mystic gohan - Superboy Prime would beat him to death

5.super buu - Thor can handle this

6.super perfect cell - PC Darkseid for a nice overkill

7.guldo(gynu force) - Flash (Wally West) for a win by speedblitz

8.supreme ki (you mean Kaioshin?) - Magneto should take care of him

9.dubora - Doctor Strange for another overkill

10.namek dragon - Since the thing can't actually fight, how about some random guy who's instructed to say "I wish you would kill yourself".

11.broly - Thanos should handle him

12.janemba - That guy was tricky. What about Stardust (Galactus Herald).

13. ssj3 gotenks - GL Kyle Rayner takes him out

14. babadi - Captain Marvel (DC) FTW

15. dende - Human Torch for overkill

So there's my team:

Sentry
Surfer
Genis
Superboy Prime
Thor
PC Darkseid
Flash
Magneto
Doctor Strange
Some random guy
Thanos
Stardust
Kyle Rayner
Captain Marvel
Human Torch

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Darkseid wasent affected by the crisis.
He's an abstract which create avatar's.

[CBG]

He's talking about the one prior to COIE.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

im glad that someone even created a thread were u put 15 superheros against goku. its crazy but its an honor.. but how about making a thread where u put 15 db characters against any 15 from dc/marvel. heres my 15 db characters.

1.ssj4 gogeta
2.omega shenron(i wonder if nova shenron is equivilent to a red sun)
3.super 17
4.mystic gohan
5.super buu
6.super perfect cell
7.guldo(gynu force)
8.supreme ki
9.dubora
10.namek dragon
11.broly
12.janemba
13.ssj3 gotenks
14.babadi
15.dende

now who can stop that?
I think he wants an overkill, not a close battle:

My team:
Classic Beyonder
Classic Molecule man
Pre-retcon Amalgam Brother's (Two units)
God (Marvel)
Presence
Thanos with the Heart of the Infinity
The Great Evil Beast
Living Tribunal
Full power [backed up by Presence] Spectre
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Lucifer Morningstar
Michael Demiurgos
Multi-Eternity
Mulei-Infinity

[CBG]

A good challenge here is to assemble a team of 15 DC/Marvel characters that would beat the DB characters at a hair's width.

Anyone can overdo it to the maximum. What's harder is to call good even matches.

[Jplaya2023]

I think he wants an overkill, not a close battle:

My team:
Classic Beyonder
Classic Molecule man
Pre-retcon Amalgam Brother's (Two units)
God (Marvel)
Presence
Thanos with the Heart of the Infinity
The Great Evil Beast
Living Tribunal
Full power [backed up by Presence] Spectre
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Lucifer Morningstar
Michael Demiurgos
Multi-Eternity
Mulei-Infinity

besides thanos, do any of these people actually fight?????

[SSJ4_Mikael]

They don't need to fight.

[Jplaya2023]

They don't need to fight.


sorry this isnt the "whoever the most omnipotent wins" this is an actual fight. Thinking peolpe out of existence doesnt cut it here.

[Endless Mike]

sorry this isnt the "whoever the most omnipotent wins" this is an actual fight. Thinking peolpe out of existence doesnt cut it here.

Why?

Because you say so?

Like it or not, it's just as legitimate a way of winning as grunting like a pig in heat and firing huge blasts of ki.

[Jplaya2023]

Why?

Because you say so?

Like it or not, it's just as legitimate a way of winning as grunting like a pig in heat and firing huge blasts of ki.

sorry we only argue "fighting" on this site. In a fightthey lose plain and simple

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Beyonder defeated the celestial's with his bare hands (hand to hand combat)

Beyonder battle the Celestials:
Part 1 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestialsxv2.jpg)
Part 2 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials2bq9.jpg)
Part 3 (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials3su0.jpg)
Part 3 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials4hq8.jpg)

So sureley he can knock Gokou senseless.

[Endless Mike]

sorry we only argue "fighting" on this site. In a fightthey lose plain and simple

If your opponent is hostile towards you, and you undertake hostile behavior against your opponent, and as a result your opponent is terminated or incapacitated, whereas you are not, you have won a fight. That's the definition.

[CBG]

sorry we only argue "fighting" on this site. In a fightthey lose plain
and simple

I apologize, but your defintion of 'fighting' is too narrow-minded in favour of DB.

[Jplaya2023]

Beyonder defeated the celestial's with his bare hands (hand to hand combat)

Beyonder battle the Celestials:
Part 1 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestialsxv2.jpg)
Part 2 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials2bq9.jpg)
Part 3 (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials3su0.jpg)
Part 3 (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials4hq8.jpg)

So sureley he can knock Gokou senseless.

thanks for the scans but he just did some slow ass punches they wont hit goku. He problably does have the power to hurt goku but them slow ass punches aint it

[CBG]

Not unless Beyonder turns them omnidirectional.

Or decides to have Goku paralyzed with a mere thought.

Really, Goku can lose to an infinite number of scenarios against Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

[Jplaya2023]

If your opponent is hostile towards you, and you undertake hostile behavior against your opponent, and as a result your opponent is terminated or incapacitated, whereas you are not, you have won a fight. That's the definition.

what are u babbling about man. What part of "fighting" do you not understand?

[Jplaya2023]

I apologize.

Its okay no big man this site doesnt have the same "rules" as the other site so you good. Just stick to straight fighting

[Jplaya2023]

Not unless Beyonder turns them omnidirectional.

Or decides to have Goku paralyzed with a mere thought.

Really, Goku can lose to an infinite number of scenarios against Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

he can turn them however he likes those are basic ass punches they not hitting goku.

and again thinking someone paralyzed is against the rules. Again a fight not thinking someone dead or whatever

[Endless Mike]

thanks for the scans but he just did some slow ass punches they wont hit goku. He problably does have the power to hurt goku but them slow ass punches aint it

Did you miss the whole 'billions of attacks per second, on multiple planes of existence' thing? He downright stated that what you just saw was just a visual representation of what a human mind could comprehend, the true conflict would be too abstract to understand.

[Endless Mike]

what are u babbling about man. What part of "fighting" do you not understand?

It's you who doesn't understand.

fight  /faɪt/ Pronunciation Key (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) - Show Spelled Pronunciation (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/)[fahyt] Pronunciation Key (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) - Show IPA Pronunciation (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) noun, verb, fought, fight‧ing.
–noun 1.a battle or combat. 2.any contest or struggle: a fight for recovery from an illness. 3.an angry argument or disagreement: Whenever we discuss politics, we end up in a fight. 4.Boxing. a bout or contest. 5.a game or diversion in which the participants hit or pelt each other with something harmless: a pillow fight; a water fight. 6.ability, will, or inclination to fight: There was no fight left in him. –verb (used without object) 7.to engage in battle or in single combat; attempt to defend oneself against or to subdue, defeat, or destroy an adversary. 8.to contend in any manner; strive vigorously for or against something: He fought bravely against despair. –verb (used with object) 9.to contend with in battle or combat; war against: England fought Germany. 10.to contend with or against in any manner: to fight despair; to fight the passage of a bill. 11.to carry on (a battle, duel, etc.). 12.to maintain (a cause, quarrel, etc.) by fighting or contending. 13.to make (one's way) by fighting or striving. 14.to cause or set (a boxer, animal, etc.) to fight. 15.to manage or maneuver (troops, ships, guns, planes, etc.) in battle. —Idioms16.fight it out, to fight until a decision is reached: Let them fight it out among themselves. 17.fight shy of. shy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shy)1 (def. 12). 18.fight with windmills. tilt (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tilt)1 (def. 17).
[Origin: bef. 900; (v.) ME fi(g)hten, OE fe(o)htan (c. G fechten); (n.) ME fi(g)ht, OE feohte, (ge)feoht, deriv. of the v. base]

—Related formsfight‧a‧ble, adjective
fight‧a‧bil‧i‧ty, noun
fight‧ing‧ly, adverb


I don't see anything there about how it has to be punches and kicks.:whatever:

[Jplaya2023]

Did you miss the whole 'billions of attacks per second, on multiple planes of existence' thing? He downright stated that what you just saw was just a visual representation of what a human mind could comprehend, the true conflict would be too abstract to understand.

yeah him with his wild punches and kicks at whatever speed isnt hitting goku. He has no techniques and his form is sloppy. Goku would be laughing the whole time

[CBG]

he can turn them however he likes those are basic ass punches they not hitting goku.

Then he'll just speed up to a speed that'll overwhelm Goku or have Goku slow down.

and again thinking someone paralyzed is against the rules. Again a fight not thinking someone dead or whatever

What rules, newbie?

A fight's a freaking fight. Whoever wins, wins. You think there's rules in DB of how a fight goes? No, they use everything they got to win. How's that any different than anyone else?

You have a gun and are going up against a freaking big guy, who wants to beat you to death. You're going to follow 'rules' of a fight, discarding the gun and fighting him mano a mano? No. The sane guy would use the gun and incapcitate him or kill him.

[CBG]

yeah him with his wild punches and kicks at whatever speed isnt hitting goku. He has no techniques and his form is sloppy. Goku would be laughing the whole time

Then he copies Goku's knowledge of martial arts and applies them perfectly.

Beyonder will be yawning the whole time at Goku's attempt.

[Endless Mike]

yeah him with his wild punches and kicks at whatever speed isnt hitting goku. He has no techniques and his form is sloppy. Goku would be laughing the whole time

Can you actually read what I'm writing, or do you just stop at the first sentence?

What you saw in the comic wasn't what was actually happening, it was merely a dumbed down representation for mortal minds.

If Beyonder wanted to, he could instantly learn and be a master of all fighting styles existent in the universe.

[Ultra-Herald9]

yeah him with his wild punches and kicks at whatever speed isnt hitting goku. He has no techniques and his form is sloppy. Goku would be laughing the whole time

God you are so ANNOYING!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: How do you know that his form is sloppy? You can't even see most of his attacks!!!!The guy is freaking omnipotent he probably has perfect form when he fights!

You constantly have to make up new crap whenever Goku is outmatched!"oh,thinking people out of exsistense isn't fighting!" in a fight you use what you got! Are ki blasts any better? I could just as easily say thats not fighting!

Goku wishes he could laugh at the beyonder. Goku would try to laugh until he dies when Beyonder thinks his heart into a ball of lead.


heres my team.......

1. Gladiator
2.Doctor Strange
3.Vulcan
4.PC Superboy(just for laughs when he owns all the dbz characters in a second)
5.PC Karate Kid
6.Barry Allen(Flash)
7.Shazam
8.Martian Manhunter
10.Cyttorak(overkill)
11.Captain Marvel
12.Earth-2 Supes
13.Destroyer Armor
14.Air-Walker
15.Fallen One

[Jplaya2023]

God you are so ANNOYING!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: How do you know that his form is sloppy? You can't even see most of his attacks!!!!The guy is freaking omnipotent he probably has perfect form when he fights!

You constantly have to make up new crap whenever Goku is outmatched!"oh,thinking people out of exsistense isn't fighting!" in a fight you use what you got! Are ki blasts any better? I could just as easily say thats not fighting!

Goku wishes he could laugh at the beyonder. Goku would try to laugh until he dies when Beyonder thinks his heart into a ball of lead.


heres my team.......

1. Gladiator
2.Doctor Strange
3.Vulcan
4.PC Superboy(just for laughs when he owns all the dbz characters in a second)
5.PC Karate Kid
6.Barry Allen(Flash)
7.Shazam
8.Martian Manhunter
10.Cyttorak(overkill)
11.Captain Marvel
12.Earth-2 Supes
13.Destroyer Armor
14.Air-Walker
15.Fallen One

Here's My Team

1. SSJ4 GOGETA (FUSED FOREVER)
2. SSJ4 VEGETTO (POTARRA FUSION)
3. OMEGA SHENRON
4. THE 6 DRAGONS SANS OMAEGA SHENRON
5. SUPER 17
6. CHOU GOHAN
7. SSJ3 GOTENKS
8. BEBI VEGETA (OOZARU)
9. MAJIN VEGETA
10. UUB (AFTER BUU FUSION)
11. SSJ2 SERU
12. CHOU BUU
13. GOTENKS BUU
14. SUPER PERFECT FRIEZA
15. USSJ2 TRUNKS

My team dominates

[Jplaya2023]

Then he copies Goku's knowledge of martial arts and applies them perfectly.

Beyonder will be yawning the whole time at Goku's attempt.

More lies, show me where he's done such a thing and used it instantly. And do give me **** about him being omnipotent so he could do it.

[CBG]

You're just denying the answer.

Really, one character can demolish your team. A number of them solo.

[Endless Mike]

My team dominates

Well, let's see.

1. SSJ4 GOGETA (FUSED FOREVER) vs. Gladiator.

Gladiator can fly 100c, contain nova explosions, punch away planets, and fly through stars. Gladiator attacks him at 100c and punches his head off.

2. SSJ4 VEGETTO (POTARRA FUSION) vs. Doctor Strange.

Doctor Strange de - fuses them (yes, he can do that), then turns them into slugs with no powers, and sends them to Mephisto's realm to be tortured forever.

3. OMEGA SHENRON vs. Vulcan

Don't know much about Vulcan. Pass.

4. THE 6 DRAGONS SANS OMAEGA SHENRON vs. PC Superboy

That's not 1 character....

Anyway he flies at trillions of times lightspeed and punches them into atoms.

5. SUPER 17 vs. PC Karate Kid

Hmm..... actually 17 might win this.

6. CHOU GOHAN vs. Barry Allen Flash

Flash punches him a billion times and vibrates through him so he explodes.

7. SSJ3 GOTENKS vs. Shazam

(Assuming you mean the wizard) he turns Gotenks into an amoeba.

8. BEBI VEGETA (OOZARU) vs. Martian Manhunter

J'onn phases inside of him, removes the parasite, and then vaporizes it with Martian vision.

9. MAJIN VEGETA vs. Cytorrak

Cytorrak dematerializes him into component particles with a thought.

10. UUB (AFTER BUU FUSION) vs. Captain Marvel

Hmm.... Not quite sure here.

11. SSJ2 SERU vs. Earth 2 Superman

You mean Cell? Supes drags him into the sun and vaporizes him.

12. CHOU BUU vs. Destroyer Armor

The Destroyer removes him from existence with his visor beam

13. GOTENKS BUU vs. Air - Walker

Air - Walker transmutes him to stone.

14. SUPER PERFECT FRIEZA vs. Fallen One

Fallen One blasts him into component atoms.

15. USSJ2 TRUNKS vs. ?

Oh, and it seems we have one extra. Oh, well, Cytorrak or Shazam will take care of him.

[CBG]

Eh. I'll set off the first overkill.

The One Above All.

[Jplaya2023]

You're just denying the answer.

Really, one character can demolish your team. A number of them solo.

You dont have proof

Concession accepted.

[CBG]

Ha.

Omnipotents and nigh-omnipotents.

[Endless Mike]

You dont have proof

Concession accepted.

And, of course, the proof from your side of the fence has been just bursting forth.:whatever:

[Jplaya2023]

Well, let's see.

1. SSJ4 GOGETA (FUSED FOREVER) vs. Gladiator.

Gladiator can fly 100c, contain nova explosions, punch away planets, and fly through stars. Gladiator attacks him at 100c and punches his head off.

2. SSJ4 VEGETTO (POTARRA FUSION) vs. Doctor Strange.

Doctor Strange de - fuses them (yes, he can do that), then turns them into slugs with no powers, and sends them to Mephisto's realm to be tortured forever.

3. OMEGA SHENRON vs. Vulcan

Don't know much about Vulcan. Pass.

4. THE 6 DRAGONS SANS OMAEGA SHENRON vs. PC Superboy

That's not 1 character....

Anyway he flies at trillions of times lightspeed and punches them into atoms.

5. SUPER 17 vs. PC Karate Kid

Hmm..... actually 17 might win this.

6. CHOU GOHAN vs. Barry Allen Flash

Flash punches him a billion times and vibrates through him so he explodes.

7. SSJ3 GOTENKS vs. Shazam

(Assuming you mean the wizard) he turns Gotenks into an amoeba.

8. BEBI VEGETA (OOZARU) vs. Martian Manhunter

J'onn phases inside of him, removes the parasite, and then vaporizes it with Martian vision.

9. MAJIN VEGETA vs. Cytorrak

Cytorrak dematerializes him into component particles with a thought.

10. UUB (AFTER BUU FUSION) vs. Captain Marvel

Hmm.... Not quite sure here.

11. SSJ2 SERU vs. Earth 2 Superman

You mean Cell? Supes drags him into the sun and vaporizes him.

12. CHOU BUU vs. Destroyer Armor

The Destroyer removes him from existence with his visor beam

13. GOTENKS BUU vs. Air - Walker

Air - Walker transmutes him to stone.

14. SUPER PERFECT FRIEZA vs. Fallen One

Fallen One blasts him into component atoms.

15. USSJ2 TRUNKS vs. ?

Oh, and it seems we have one extra. Oh, well, Cytorrak or Shazam will take care of him.

BWAAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA @ this whole post

lol @ flash ever beating gohan
lol @ superman vaporising cell in the sun if it was that easy goku would of done it.

You hate the DBZ universe so much you resulted to doing this stuff
how sad man

[Jplaya2023]

And, of course, the proof from your side of the fence has been just bursting forth.

Yes it has. Canon Manga sources i state

[Endless Mike]

BWAAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA @ this whole post

lol @ flash ever beating gohan
lol @ superman vaporising cell in the sun if it was that easy goku would of done it.

You hate the DBZ universe so much you resulted to doing this stuff
how sad man

I only see one actual argument here, so I'll address it.

Goku can't survive in space, or in the sun. Therefore he would have no way to get Cell there.

Cell would have died from 16's nuclear bomb anyway, which was nowhere near as powerful as the sun.

[Endless Mike]

Yes it has. Canon Manga sources i state

Such as.....?

[Jplaya2023]

I only see one actual argument here, so I'll address it.

Goku can't survive in space, or in the sun. Therefore he would have no way to get Cell there.

Cell would have died from 16's nuclear bomb anyway, which was nowhere near as powerful as the sun.

Gohan would absolutely murder flash one punch and he's dead.

Umm cell has taken planet destroying attacks and shrugged them off or regenerated his body. Cell blew himself up and a small planet (kaio planet) and regenerated and became stronger than ever

ssj2 cell >>> fpssj goku >>>> any version of superman

[Jplaya2023]

Such as.....?


Super Buu tearing a hole in a dimension by simply screaming.

etc.. etc...

[CBG]

Etc does not include the filler Super Buu dimension destroying, the one which Super Vegito had to interfere.

[Jplaya2023]

Etc does not include the filler Super Buu dimension destroying, the one which Super Vegito had to interfere.



But it does include bardock saga where frieza destroyed the planet with his finger

[CBG]

If it was in the manga, then yes.

Bardock's face appearing in Frieza's thoughts doesn't cut it.

[Endless Mike]

Gohan would absolutely murder flash one punch and he's dead.

He'd have to hit him first. That's kind of the whole point of his powerset.



Umm cell has taken planet destroying attacks and shrugged them off or regenerated his body. Cell blew himself up and a small planet (kaio planet) and regenerated and became stronger than ever

Quantification PLZ?

ssj2 cell >>> fpssj goku >>>> any version of superman

Says the guy who knows nothing about any version of Superman.

Pre - Crisis Superman could tow entire galaxies full of planets, throw neutron stars into another galaxy, close up black holes, move trillions of times lightspeed (light - years in microseconds), juggle planets with one hand, had heat vision with the power of 100 suns, freeze stars with his ice breath and reignite them with his heat vision, etc.

And he's not even the strongest version!

[Jplaya2023]

If it was in the manga, then yes.

Bardock's face appearing in Frieza's thoughts doesn't cut it.

its canon man get over it.

[Jplaya2023]

He'd have to hit him first. That's kind of the whole point of his powerset.




Quantification PLZ?



Says the guy who knows nothing about any version of Superman.

Pre - Crisis Superman could tow entire galaxies full of planets, throw neutron stars into another galaxy, close up black holes, move trillions of times lightspeed (light - years in microseconds), juggle planets with one hand, had heat vision with the power of 100 suns, freeze stars with his ice breath and reignite them with his heat vision, etc.

And he's not even the strongest version!

how can u juggle something with no gravity????

[Endless Mike]

its canon man get over it.

Yes, the existence of Bardock is canon.

The fact that he is Goku's father is canon.

His appearance is canon.

The fact that he defied Frieza is canon.

Nothing further than that regarding him is canon.

[CBG]

Bardock's character is canon.

That does not necessarily mean that the rest of the backstory was canon.

[Endless Mike]

how can u juggle something with no gravity????

Planets have gravity.

[Jplaya2023]

Planets have gravity.

THERE is no gravity in space hence planets being able to float

[CBG]

And floating explains their orbits?

[Endless Mike]

THERE is no gravity in space hence planets being able to float

There's plenty of gravity in space.

The gravitational field of our sun alone extends halfway to Alpha Centauri, at least according to the most up - to - date models.

[Ultra-Herald9]

THERE is no gravity in space hence planets being able to float

When you are moving a planet you are subject to that planets gravitational pull also. Thus when moving a planet you are moving everything within its gravitational pull which is everything on the planet.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Jplaya why is it so immpossible for you to comprehend that their are characters stronger than DBZ characters. And i'm not just stating this based on prefference but based on feats!

Hey Endless Mike I'll tell you who Vulcan is in case your curious.....Vulcan is an Omega-Level Mutant and the third Summers brother who's powers include near-complete control of all forms of energy and the power to take the powers of anyone. Vulcan gained powers from two of his dead X-man teamates and these powers are terra-kinises and chrono-kinises(time control).

[CBG]

However, that was thanks to Darwin. In addition, Vulcan's power levels were boosted to Omega-level due to him absorbing some of the mutant energies from M-Day. The remaining went on to form the Collective.

So far, Vulcan has shown no signs in retaining the powers of Sway and the terrakine.

With reference to the 'above-Omega level', that's a mistake by writer Brubaker, who admitted it himself after finding out that Omega denoted unlimited, and nothing can be more than unlimted.

[LouFerignoDemon]

There's plenty of gravity in space.

The gravitational field of our sun alone extends halfway to Alpha Centauri, at least according to the most up - to - date models.

The sun's strong gravity doesn't extend much past our solar system though.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The sun's strong gravity doesn't extend much past our solar system though.
Ehh . . . the force the sun affects tellus with is enormous.

[Jplaya2023]

THERE is no gravity in space

[Sloth7d]

THERE is no gravity in space
Then explain why the earth rotates around the sun.

[Endless Mike]

Not only ignorant about comics and anime, but science as well. Figures as much.

Gravity doesn't just disappear once you leave the atmosphere.

It follows a mathematical formula.

F = -G(m1*m2)/r^2

[CBG]

THERE is no gravity in space

Yes, there is gravity in space. They explain orbits even in intermediate elementary textbooks.

Ask a science teacher or professor that gravity doesn't exist in space, and they'll heartily prove the existence of gravity in space.

[Whirlysplat]

The sun's strong gravity doesn't extend much past our solar system though.

Where do you think the Suns gravity stops exactly. In fact where do you think the Solar System stops, I need a damn good laugh. The ambiguity of the above post is hilarious.

Why do you think Galaxies stay together and interact with each other, let alone the component stars within a Galaxy, if gravity just stops dead. Your physics is awful.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

server still freezing.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

The sun's strong gravity doesn't extend much past our solar system though.

Where do you think the Suns gravity stops exactly. In fact where do you think the Solar System stops, I need a damn good laugh. The ambiguity of the above post is hilarious.

Why do you think Galaxies stay together and interact with each other, let alone the component stars within a Galaxy, if gravity just stops dead. Your physics is awful.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

server still freezing.

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

Not only ignorant about comics and anime, but science as well. Figures as much.

Gravity doesn't just disappear once you leave the atmosphere.

It follows a mathematical formula.

F = -G(m1*m2)/r^2

Agreed, gravity has nothing to do with an atmosphere, one is a fundemental force the other is a combination of gases.

- Whirly

[Warhammer]

Haha, at the "no gravity in space" thing.

[SouLeSS]

JPlaya, have you ever even picked up a comic with any of the characters we've named at HALF of their potential?

Obviously you havn't, or you'de realize how outclassed your DBZ character are.

[CBG]

These are the comics he read, from this post.

http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10174440&postcount=2647

And in case he edits it:

hulk - the end

batman - book of the dead

batman vs predator

batman arkam asylum living hell part 1


ultimate spiderman 28

batman vs the hulk (Where batman owned his ass)

batman (azerus) vs the punisher

daredevil vs batman

dc vs marvel 04

spiderman & superman - the heroes of the holocaust

batman legend of the dark knight volume 1

superman & batman #1

superman & batman #2

batman and spiderman

superman vs spiderman (Where spiderman owned his ass)

dc vs marvel #3

superman vs terminator#3

superman vs terminator #4

batmn year 1

fantastic 4 vs xmen volume 1

punisher kills the marvel universe (Sans spiderman)

spectacular spiderman volume1

the untold tales of spiderman volume 1

spiderman and hulk

who'se the noob now noob?

[Ultra-Herald9]

Hey CBG notice how most of the stuff Jplaya has read aren't even in continuity?

[Warhammer]

Hey CBG notice how most of the stuff Jplaya has read aren't even in continuity?

Exactly what I saw thinking.
DC vs. Marvel is non-canon.

[Whirlysplat]

JPlaya is "trollin" you guys, lol that's why he picks non cannon stories, your reaction is for his amusement not yours.

- Whirly

[Warhammer]

JPlaya is "trollin" you guys, lol that's why he picks non cannon stories, your reaction is for his amusement not yours.

- Whirly

I know what he is doing, but hey, non-stop arguing is fun to watch with Jplaya and crew.

Look at how many posts people have gotten just in the last 2 or 3 days. :D :( :confused:

[Sloth7d]

Honestly, I can't tell if he's trollin or if he's serious anymore. Actually, I never could.:huh:
He still is a cool person though.

[Whirlysplat]

I know what he is doing, but hey, non-stop arguing is fun to watch with Jplaya and crew.

Look at how many posts people have gotten just in the last 2 or 3 days. :D :( :confused:

I agree with created obvious "joke" comedy characters like him and Gluon on a thread it's always a pleasure to watch and sometimes stir up with a contribution.

Honestly, I can't tell if he's trollin or if he's serious anymore. Actually, I never could.:huh:
He still is a cool person though.

He's always trollin.

- Whirly

[Jplaya2023]

Hey CBG notice how most of the stuff Jplaya has read aren't even in continuity?


Its all canon man, they have the official marvel and DC seals on each of the books

[CBG]

hulk - the end

batman - book of the dead

batman vs predator

batman arkam asylum living hell part 1

ultimate spiderman 28

batman vs the hulk (Where batman owned his ass)

batman (azerus) vs the punisher

daredevil vs batman

dc vs marvel 04

spiderman & superman - the heroes of the holocaust

All non-canon.

batman legend of the dark knight volume 1

Debatable, due to New Earth in Infinite Crisis #6.

superman & batman #1

superman & batman #2

Canon. That includes the future Superman coming back in time ia boomtube and about to kill Batman by crushing the Batmobile over his head. And don't try editing the page, like you did last time.

batman and spiderman

superman vs spiderman (Where spiderman owned his ass)

dc vs marvel #3

superman vs terminator#3

superman vs terminator #4

Non-canon.

batmn year 1

Perhaps non-canon, due to New Earth in Infinite Crisis #6.

fantastic 4 vs xmen volume 1

Don't know. FF4 never interested me.

punisher kills the marvel universe (Sans spiderman)

Non-canon.

spectacular spiderman volume1

the untold tales of spiderman volume 1

Canon.

spiderman and hulk

Non-canon.

The only canon crossover is JLA/Avengers by Kurt Busiek and drawn by George Perez. The Cosmic Egg was seen in the JLA issues and the crossover is referenced in Grandmaster's bio in the new Marvel Handbooks.

The comic books you read is so damn lacking.

[Jplaya2023]

The comic books you read is so damn lacking.


Comic book stores are dead i gotta get what ican get

[SouLeSS]

So instead you read Manga about someone getting their ass beat, then going "RARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" for 7 pages, then beating the person that beat them?

[Sloth7d]

So instead you read Manga about someone getting their ass beat, then going "RARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" for 7 pages, then beating the person that beat them?
Now thats just being biased and steriotypical.

[Jplaya2023]

So instead you read Manga about someone getting their ass beat, then going "RARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" for 7 pages, then beating the person that beat them?

baka! You should re read the manga and see they dont go rarhh for 7 pages. baka!

[Whirlysplat]

baka! You should re read the manga and see they dont go rarhh for 7 pages. baka!

The mangas are much more adult and very funny especially the early Dragonball ones. Not quite lost girls but the implication is often clear.

- Whirly

[Jplaya2023]

The mangas are much more adult and very funny especially the early Dragonball ones. Not quite lost girls but the implication is often clear.

- Whirly

yup goku looking up bulma's dress is classic

[SouLeSS]

baka! You should re read the manga and see they dont go rarhh for 7 pages. baka!

Using one word in another language to try and prove your point makes you look like a 'baka', as you would say.

[Jplaya2023]

Using one word in another language to try and prove your point makes you look like a 'baka', as you would say.


No making outlandish claims without even opening a manga makes you a baka