Highlander!

[hippy fascist]

IT'S COMING!!!!!!!

OCTOBER!!!!!

HIGHLANDER!!!!!!!


YAAY!!!!!


Didn't really have anything else to say here...

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't understand what the comic series is supposed to be about. Highlander's continuity is more f***ed up than the X-Men's and DC's put together.

[WeaponZ2]

IT'S COMING!!!!!!!

OCTOBER!!!!!

HIGHLANDER!!!!!!!


YAAY!!!!!


Didn't really have anything else to say here...

I fear the worse...

[hippy fascist]

It's supposed to occur before the first movie...does this mean no connor mcloud or will it be between becoming an immortal and getting to the states? It would be cool if it was just how he appeared at each stage in time like the flashbacks he had to wars etc

[TheCorpulent1]

A flashback series would be cool. I'll probably give the first issue a try. Maybe if it sells well they can start other Highlander comics. I'd love to see a Methos comic. :up:

[hippy fascist]

Oh dude...Even better...



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Comics!

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[The Question]

I heard that the comic was going to take place right after the first film left off, and have Conner dealing with the memories and emotions he absorbed from the Kurgan when he took his quickening.

[hippy fascist]

I heard that the comic was going to take place right after the first film left off, and have Conner dealing with the memories and emotions he absorbed from the Kurgan when he took his quickening.

Yes!!!!! Finally they are gonna have to deal with the continuity involved in getting from the first film to the second. Maybe he get's kidnapped by aliens, brainwashed into thinking he was never human but in fact some lame alien exiled from his homeworld, and then we segue into highlander two.

Or maybe it was wanda maximoff?

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be quite a feat if the comic somehow managed to make sense of the movies' and TV series' continuity. I don't think it's possible, myself.

[The Question]

With what I heard, it seems that it will be it's own continuity counting only the first movie as cannon. Still, I think a flashback series, overall, would be the best. Easiest to avoid continuity problems. Besides, who wouldn't want to see Conner fighting in WWII, or acting as a sort of urban vigilante during the Great Depression, or other stuff like that?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

highlander needs to be done like BSG, just reboot it from the start.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the TV series and the first movie should stay in continuity. Ditch the rest.

[The Question]

Well, the TV show does have the events in the movie as continuity, however it has Conner's defeat of the Kurgen retconned into a personal victory for Conner instead of the final fight for the prize.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, so all that's really required is a minor retcon. Instead of winning the Prize, Connor just gets personal revenge on the Kurgen.

[The Question]

Which is fine. And then we still get Duncan and Methos and the Four Horsemen and all that good stuff.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, exactly. As far as I'm concerned, Highlander - Methos = lame.

[The Question]

'Course. Still, I think many many flashbacks would be necessairy. With characters who have been around for centuries, seeing what they did during major events in history is always interesting. But maybe not WWII. That's been done alot. Maybe seeing how they dealt with the social turmoil of the great depression. Duncan may have taken up the role of an urban vigilante, Conner probably would have been held up in a speakeasy getting drunk and being generally cynical, and so on.

[The Question]

Also, I know this is a bit off topic, but there's a new Highlander film coming out called Highlander: The Surce, in which both Duncan and Methos will play a large role. From what I've read, the story has them on a quest to figure out the source of their immortality. Sounds like they'll be ignoring the alien explanation from Highlander II.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm cautiously looking forward to it. None of the movies have managed to be very good beyond the first one, but the premise of The Source sounds really good.

[War Lord]

I don't understand what the comic series is supposed to be about. Highlander's continuity is more f***ed up than the X-Men's and DC's put together.

Only because of the 2nd to 4th movie.

Remove those and it's perfectly aligned.

[War Lord]

Yeah, I'm cautiously looking forward to it. None of the movies have managed to be very good beyond the first one, but the premise of The Source sounds really good.

The last one was pretty good. It was like a 2 hour episode of the tv series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the last one was the best after the first, but it still wasn't really that great. It was all very predictable.
Only because of the 2nd to 4th movie.

Remove those and it's perfectly aligned.
Except for the bit Question mentioned about the Game ending in the first movie and Connor winning the Prize. ;)

[The Question]

Yeah, I'm cautiously looking forward to it. None of the movies have managed to be very good beyond the first one, but the premise of The Source sounds really good.


It'd be nice to finally get an explanation for the existence of the Immortals (you know, one that doesn't suck).

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, especially why there are always new Immortals being made when they're supposed to be whittling down their numbers to just one. Also, maybe they could address the question of why the Game and the Prize exist in the first place. What in the Immortals makes Quickenings happen? Lots of technical questions that the movies and TV series have mostly just ignored.

[deathshead2]

The last one was pretty good. It was like a 2 hour episode of the tv series.Wasn't that endgame if it was I couldn't even get through watching it was so bad. I want to remake highlander one day so it can have a badass highlander2.

[deathshead2]

It'd be nice to finally get an explanation for the existence of the Immortals (you know, one that doesn't suck).Why do you want to know why. It makes the movie better for us to not know anything.

[The Question]

Why? :confused:

[War Lord]

It'd be nice to finally get an explanation for the existence of the Immortals (you know, one that doesn't suck).

I prefer the mystery of how and why. I like it that they exist, but it is unknown as to why or how they came to exist.

[deathshead2]

Why they are immortals.

[The Question]

No, I mean, why is it better that we don't know?

[TheCorpulent1]

Same reason people protested when they decided to reveal Wolverine's origin. The Immortals have a mystique about them because of all the mysteries surrounding their origins and why they do what they do. They don't even know why the play the Game, they just do. It makes for a more dramatic story when someone says, "Immortals exist. No one knows where they come from or why they fight... all they know is that in the end, there can be only one," as opposed to "Oh yeah, the Immortals are just aliens who look like humans but don't stay dead. Totally. They fight 'cause this dude told 'em they'd get to go home if they win." There's no mystery in the latter.

[The Question]

True. But, just like with Wolverine, if you keep it mysterious for too long it just gets tedious. Of course, the immortals aren't actively trying to figure out why nothing can kill them besides decapitation, so I guess there's an arguement there. With Wolverine, however, he was always trying to figure out who he really was and getting nowhere. That gets repetative after a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the difference is that it's just been glossed over in Highlander. They never really cared about their origins beyond just a passing, "Hey, ever wonder why we're all orphans who just seem to turn up in the middle of nowhere?" The series and movies have always focused more on the characters and their personal struggles.

[The Question]

Wait. They're all orphans? I thought their parents were mentioned a few times. Hell, wasn't there a young immortal who called him mom on the phine right before he got beheaded?

[TheCorpulent1]

They're always orphans because no one knows where they come from. They just appear. Duncan was found by the McLeods as a child, Connor was found by the McLeods as a child, and I'm fairly certain all of the other Immortals were found by people as children and taken in. It's possible that some of their "parents" never told them that they're not their biological children, but as far as I know they're always just found.

[The Question]

Really. I wasn't aware of that. Certainly adds a level of mystery, doesn't it?

[TheCorpulent1]

That it does. Also, I found some links to back me up, just so you know I'm not talking out of my ass:
1. All immortals are foundlings. They are generally raised by a family, but some are raised by other immortals, hermits, or even cults. Noone is sure how they come into the world, but they are not "born" in the human manner.
All immortals are foundlings.
All Immortals are orphans - foundling children whose real parents are unknown.
Not the most reputable sources, of course, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's an idea that's repeated often enough to create a reliable consensus.

[The Question]

Didn't know that. VERY interesting. Also explains why some Immortals were raised in certain cultures but bear no or little physical resemblance to the ethnicities of that culture.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep. They're all orphans. Although, with that in mind, it kind of makes you wonder why there aren't a hell of a lot more Immortals who are stuck as babies. Seriously, I'm supposed to believe that there was never an Immortal baby who ended up in a dumpster or a toilet stall and died their first death from starvation or disease or something?

[The Question]

I don't think disease will constitute a first death. Only a violent death, like being crushed or stapped or drowned or hung or beaten to death or burned alive or something like that. I think disease counts as a natural death, which wouldn't cause an immortal's immortality to activate.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? I didn't know there were qualifications to how they die that determines whether they'll be Immortal or not. I just assumed there were a bunch of old Immortals who get taken out by the younger, evil Immortals.

[wiegeabo]

Yep. They're all orphans. Although, with that in mind, it kind of makes you wonder why there aren't a hell of a lot more Immortals who are stuck as babies. Seriously, I'm supposed to believe that there was never an Immortal baby who ended up in a dumpster or a toilet stall and died their first death from starvation or disease or something?

Immortals are immune to disease. They never get sick, just like the can never have children, even before they become immortal. I remember Richie talking about it with either Duncan or Dawson.

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn, I gotta watch the series again sometime.

[The Question]

Really? I didn't know there were qualifications to how they die that determines whether they'll be Immortal or not. I just assumed there were a bunch of old Immortals who get taken out by the younger, evil Immortals.

There are. If you die a natural death (disease, heart atack, stroke, and so on) you just die. That's why some immortals never have first death and just die of something like that. Violent death is what it takes.

Immortals are immune to disease. They never get sick, just like the can never have children, even before they become immortal. I remember Richie talking about it with either Duncan or Dawson.

Really? Didn't know that. I guess that also explains it.

[wiegeabo]

There are. If you die a natural death (disease, heart atack, stroke, and so on) you just die. That's why some immortals never have first death and just die of something like that. Violent death is what it takes.



Really? Didn't know that. I guess that also explains it.

Don't remember ever hearing about that. Although it does seem familiar.

I'll also add that if an Immortal is beheaded without another Immortal nearby (probably within the range they can sense each other) their knowledge is lost. There is no Quickening, and they just die normally.

[wiegeabo]

Damn, I gotta watch the series again sometime.

I so miss that show sometimes. Season 3-5 were the best. I always find it hard to watch the first season since they were still getting the production values and continuity down. But it was much improved once the Watchers were introduced. I think by mid-season 2 the show started hitting its prime.

[The Question]

Don't remember ever hearing about that. Although it does seem familiar.

All the stuff I've read says first death has to be a violent death. And all the first deaths I've seen have been violent ones.

I'll also add that if an Immortal is beheaded without another Immortal nearby (probably within the range they can sense each other) their knowledge is lost. There is no Quickening, and they just die normally.

I knew that. Although, I always thought it would be cool if a regular human killed an immortal, absorbed the quickening, and was overwhealmed by it, putting him into a coma or killing him outright.

[deathshead2]

I havn't seen the show.:(

[TheCorpulent1]

I so miss that show sometimes. Season 3-5 were the best. I always find it hard to watch the first season since they were still getting the production values and continuity down. But it was much improved once the Watchers were introduced. I think by mid-season 2 the show started hitting its prime. Yeah, I remember it took a while to get its bearings. I couldn't stand Tess, either. Maybe that's why I didn't enjoy the first couple of seasons, really.

[deathshead2]

Have immotals always use swords to fight each other.Don't they ever use something else.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think a few use axes or other bladed weapons. But swords have just kind of evolved to be the standard.
I knew that. Although, I always thought it would be cool if a regular human killed an immortal, absorbed the quickening, and was overwhealmed by it, putting him into a coma or killing him outright.
Highlander: The Raven would never have worked. Amanda's man-b**** killed a few Immortals before he became one himself, as I recall. Amanda got a few Quickenings off of his kills, too.

[wiegeabo]

I havn't seen the show.:(

It's worth it, especially once you get past the first episodes. (Season 6 could have been better too. They only did half a season, and the episodes were pretty much introductions to Immortals for a possible spinoff).

You just sort of have to gloss over the fact that the end of the Highlander movie wasn't really the prize (even though Duncan appears and they make mention of him killing Kurgan).

[TheCorpulent1]

Connor appears, you mean. I always thought it'd be funny if Connor were like, "Yeah, I totally thought I won the Prize. Then I remembered you were probably still around, Duncan. Whoops!"

[deathshead2]

Im sort of afird to buy the show its like 60 bucks.For 1 season.

[wiegeabo]

Have immotals always use swords to fight each other.Don't they ever use something else.

One Immortal used an axe. But usually they use swords. There was tha one episode where Duncan got the quickening when the other immortal got his head chopped off by a ship propeller.

The bigger question is...where did they keep those swords? I've seen Duncan in a shirt and jeans all of the sudden pull out a sword. Where was he hiding it!?! :eek:

[deathshead2]

One Immortal used an axe. But usually they use swords. There was tha one episode where Duncan got the quickening when the other immortal got his head chopped off by a ship propeller.Thats sort of cool. Don't immortals still get injured so I always thought why doesn't one of them shoot the other one with a sniper then go down to them a cut there head off with a sword.

[TheCorpulent1]

Some Immortals started using guns. I remember one dude in particular who did just what you're suggesting: he was a relatively weak swordsman, so he'd shoot his opponent and then take their head while they were incapacitated. Most of the Immortals believe in fighting one-on-one with just their swords and their wits--the good ones because of honor, I guess, and the bad ones because they don't want anyone else getting in the way or robbing them of their Quickening.

[The Question]

I think a few use axes or other bladed weapons. But swords have just kind of evolved to be the standard.

Swords are also the most common form of bladed weapon all over the world. And they've used all different kinds of swords in the movies and the series. Conner uses a Katana, Duncan has used bitha Katana and a Celtic Broadsword, Methos uses a longsword, and I've seen a few rapiers on the show.

[wiegeabo]

Connor appears, you mean. I always thought it'd be funny if Connor were like, "Yeah, I totally thought I won the Prize. Then I remembered you were probably still around, Duncan. Whoops!"

Yeah, Conner.:O

[TheCorpulent1]

Swords are also the most common form of bladed weapon all over the world. And they've used all different kinds of swords in the movies and the series. Conner uses a Katana, Duncan has used bitha Katana and a Celtic Broadsword, Methos uses a longsword, and I've seen a few rapiers on the show.
I always wondered how the hell those broadsword-carrying jackasses managed to stay in the Game so long. In reality, there's very little finesse or swordplay to wielding a broadsword or a claymore or those types of swords. They were giant blades of death meant to hack through armor through sheer force. A normal adult male could probably only swing one for about ten consecutive minutes before passing out from the strain. I'd take the McLeods' katanas or a rapier any day.

[wiegeabo]

Some Immortals started using guns. I remember one dude in particular who did just what you're suggesting: he was a relatively weak swordsman, so he'd shoot his opponent and then take their head while they were incapacitated. Most of the Immortals believe in fighting one-on-one with just their swords and their wits--the good ones because of honor, I guess, and the bad ones because they don't want anyone else getting in the way or robbing them of their Quickening.


You thinking of Xavier St.Cloud? Teaming up with the watchers who'd shoot his victim, then he'd take their head.

They usually don't shoot Immortals first because "its against the rules." The rules that, supposedly, even the most evil of Immortals wouldn't break. Like fighting on holy ground. (Even though we've seen those rules violated before, it's the exception rather than the rule.)


God I miss talking about Highlander. :D :(

[deathshead2]

Im watching some highlander stuff on youtube and dang if I watch the show its going to be hard for me to get past Duncans voice I hate it.ARRRR

[TheCorpulent1]

You thinking of Xavier St.Cloud? Teaming up with the watchers who'd shoot his victim, then he'd take their head.

They usually don't shoot Immortals first because "its against the rules." The rules that, supposedly, even the most evil of Immortals wouldn't break. Like fighting on holy ground. (Even though we've seen those rules violated before, it's the exception rather than the rule.)


God I miss talking about Highlander. :D :( Yeah, Endgame f***ed up the holy ground rule. Dawson mentioned that the last time an Immortal broke that rule, Pompey was destroyed. But then in Endgame the villain dude tears through Sanctuary, which was supposed to be on holy ground, and nothing happens.

And yes, it's been a long time since I talked about any of this stuff. :up:

[deathshead2]

What do the watchers even do and do they know where the immortals come from?

[wiegeabo]

What do the watchers even do and do they know where the immortals come from?

Well, if you don't mind me ruining it.

Watchers watch, but they never interfere. At least, they're not supposed to. They are a secret society that know all about the Immortals, the rules, the Gathering, and the Prize. Their task is to record everything that happens throughout history involving the Immortals so humanity will know the truth when the Prize is won.

[deathshead2]

Thats really really lame. And I forgot is the prize anything the wiiner wants ro was it being humans with the knowage of everything cus thats what conner got but I can't remember if they get to chosse or not.

[TheCorpulent1]

No one knows. It's supposed to be ultimate power or something, but I guess that would be in the eye of the beholder.

And the Watchers aren't lame. There were a lot of really great storylines that came out of their presence.

[wiegeabo]

Thats really really lame. And I forgot is the prize anything the wiiner wants ro was it being humans with the knowage of everything cus thats what conner got but I can't remember if they get to chosse or not.


It might be lame if they never interfered. But then a secret society within the society cropped up. One intent on killing all Immortals so that none could win the prize, convinced that the one who did would rule humanity.


And the winner of the prize has a choice to make. They can have the power to enslave humanity and rule over it (and I believe keep their immortality). Or, they can choose to help humanity, gaining the power to hear the thoughts of all others and help them understand each other, at the cost of their immortality (although they can grow old, and have children). Which is what Conner did.

[deathshead2]

I remember the rule humanity thing from endgame(I really wish I could forget this movie).

[TheCorpulent1]

It might be lame if they never interfered. But then a secret society within the society cropped up. One intent on killing all Immortals so that none could win the prize, convinced that the one who did would rule humanity.


And the winner of the prize has a choice to make. They can have the power to enslave humanity and rule over it (and I believe keep their immortality). Or, they can choose to help humanity, gaining the power to hear the thoughts of all others and help them understand each other, at the cost of their immortality (although they can grow old, and have children). Which is what Conner did.
Or the Prize could be something entirely different, since no one's won it yet, technically. ;)

Anyway, since this thread has gone from the comic series to just a general Highlander free-for-all, I'm curious: has anyone seen Highlander 2: The Renegade Version (or whatever it's called)? Supposedly it takes out all the alien/Zeist crap and makes Highlander 2 much more enjoyable. I don't know if it's even worth watching, though, because I remember Highlander 2 having a really s***ty plot even without the alien crap.

[deathshead2]

I havn't but next time im at blockbuster i'll rent it.

[wiegeabo]

I've seen it, but since it had been so long since I had seen the original cut, I'd forgotten specifics of what was different. I do remember it being much better and making a lot more sense

[The Question]

I always wondered how the hell those broadsword-carrying jackasses managed to stay in the Game so long. In reality, there's very little finesse or swordplay to wielding a broadsword or a claymore or those types of swords. They were giant blades of death meant to hack through armor through sheer force. A normal adult male could probably only swing one for about ten consecutive minutes before passing out from the strain. I'd take the McLeods' katanas or a rapier any day.

Well, I guess they just had the upper body strength necessairy to weild them. Since the immortals regenerate faster than normal, I guess they could also buld muscle mass more quickly. And really, if you can use a broadsword well, then you could cut a guy in half with one swing. Makes cutting the heat off easier. I doubt you'd be able to cut someone's head off with a rapier very easy. Hell, you'd have to saw it off with a rapier.

Also, as for the prize, I assumed that since it's aparantly the sum total of all the quickenings of every immortal who's ever died in the game, it gives the winner super mental powers (as it did with conner). Wether or not the immortality goes away is unknown, since the Conner winning the prize bit of the first film has been retconned into Conner simply getting revenge on the Kurgen for killing his best friend and raping his wife.

[TheCorpulent1]

Even though Ramirez mysteriously returns in the second movie. ;)

As for the sword question, yes, a rapier sucks for cutting heads off, but it's so much faster than a broadsword that you could probably bring the other Immortal to a "normal" death really easily while they're flailing around like an idiot, then take their broadsword off their defenseless near-corpse and cut off their head with that.

[The Question]

*sigh* Everyone knows that the second movie was just the dream Conner had the night when he got really really drunk, watched Santa Clause conquers the Martians on TV, and passed out. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Remember the Highlander cartoon series with Connor's descendant Quentin? Ramirez came back for that, too, even though that was set in some crazy, far future world.

[deathshead2]

Never saw it but I did see the video on sale one day didn't bother to pick it up sense it looked horrible.

[The Question]

Remember the Highlander cartoon series with Connor's descendant Quentin? Ramirez came back for that, too, even though that was set in some crazy, far future world.

Wait. That was Conner's descendant? Why the hell did the Immortal's come back?

[deathshead2]

Wait. That was Conner's descendant? Why the hell did the Immortal's come back?Becasue its a cartoon and they can do that.

[wiegeabo]

Never saw it but I did see the video on sale one day didn't bother to pick it up sense it looked horrible.

I tried watching it. You made the right choice.

I mean, a mythology about Immortals that would take the essence of other Immortals through decapitation obviously would make a great cartoon in the U.S. What could go wrong with that?

I don't even remember a single sword fight. Quentin would just hold a sword while the another Immortal did the same and transferred his knowledge into Quentin so he'd learn enough to take down the evil dictator.

And they say television executives are idiots...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they obviously had to tone the violence down a lot, which pretty much ruined the action. But I remember liking the characters. Granted, I was really young when I watched it.

[wiegeabo]

Granted, I was really young when I watched it.

That's why I watched it too. But they could of had Quentin fight bad Immortals and then demand they surrender their quickening when they lost or else (and fans would know what the 'or else' meant, even if the kids wouldn't). This would have balanced out with the good Immortals giving up their knowledge and probably made the show more interesting.

[deathshead2]

This just makes me want to make that highlander fan film. If I ever get around to it, it was going to be about a young highlander have some sword fights and stuff like that add some guns it wouldn't be great but I would do my best.

[Roughneck]

Remember the Highlander cartoon series with Connor's descendant Quentin? Ramirez came back for that, too, even though that was set in some crazy, far future world.


I vaguely remember it....I thought it was Connor himself........I know it made after Highlander 2 where they were still running on the idea that the Immortals were born on some other planet and as punishment they were sent to earth and were Immortal or soemthing ****ed up like that.

[Silicon Surfer]

Immortals can get sick. They just can't die of it.

[wiegeabo]

No, they can't get sick. It was in the show. They can be poisoned, gassed, suffocated, and killed in a pretty much every way, but they never get ill. And if they could get a fatal disease, it would kill them. They'd just come back nice and healthy again.

[Silicon Surfer]

Poisons, gasses and suffocation don't kill them either although it does have an effect. One of the episodes has an Immortal who drinks Absinthe which poisons and kills mortals.That was how Duncan tracked the guy down. Duncan also says that immortals can catch diseases but not die from them. Suffocation puts immortals into a kind of suspended animation. One woman survived from ancient Egypt in a sarcophagus that way.

[hippy fascist]

Well, I guess they just had the upper body strength necessairy to weild them. Since the immortals regenerate faster than normal, I guess they could also buld muscle mass more quickly. And really, if you can use a broadsword well, then you could cut a guy in half with one swing. Makes cutting the heat off easier. I doubt you'd be able to cut someone's head off with a rapier very easy. Hell, you'd have to saw it off with a rapier.

Also, as for the prize, I assumed that since it's aparantly the sum total of all the quickenings of every immortal who's ever died in the game, it gives the winner super mental powers (as it did with conner). Wether or not the immortality goes away is unknown, since the Conner winning the prize bit of the first film has been retconned into Conner simply getting revenge on the Kurgen for killing his best friend and raping his wife.

Kitana's require speed and accuracy where as broadsword's favour strength. If you are a skinny martial artist build like connor you want the fast accurate weapon. Larger bodybuilder types want power as wielding something smaller would be pointless since it's harder for them to fight with grace and finesse. It kind of makes sense

[GyLocke]

Poisons, gasses and suffocation don't kill them either although it does have an effect. One of the episodes has an Immortal who drinks Absinthe which poisons and kills mortals.That was how Duncan tracked the guy down. Duncan also says that immortals can catch diseases but not die from them. Suffocation puts immortals into a kind of suspended animation. One woman survived from ancient Egypt in a sarcophagus that way.

Yeah, but in Highlander the movie Connor can pretty much exist under water without needing to breath (as demonstrated when Ramirez throws him into the water.)

I say the comic should throw out the concept of Duncan, which was necessary for the series, but is quite stupid, and makes immortals too much of a common thing. (Two immortals in the same clan, when it supposed to be 1:1000000. It should be a big deal if one of them kills another, so we don't have dumb things like the police never finding a connection to Duncan's dozens of victims)

What they should do, is consider only parts of the first movie cannon: the rules, the lower number of Immortals, the flashbacks, and characters (cynical Connor, Ramirez, Kurgan, Rachel, Basil etc.).

Then use some elements of the TV series (Watchers, Methos, etc)

And finally use one element of the third movie: the very rare special abilities that you can get by offing special immortals (like the illusion magic of Kane)

Keep some homages to other installments (mention of Kell, or the idea of a shield against solar radiotion and stuff)

This way you get the best of all worlds and have a world rich enough to support an ongoing for decades.

[War Lord]

No, they can't get sick. It was in the show. They can be poisoned, gassed, suffocated, and killed in a pretty much every way, but they never get ill. And if they could get a fatal disease, it would kill them. They'd just come back nice and healthy again.

The only way to kill an immortal is to cut off their head. All other methods don't cause them to stay dead.

[War Lord]

Yeah, but in Highlander the movie Connor can pretty much exist under water without needing to breath (as demonstrated when Ramirez throws him into the water.)

I say the comic should throw out the concept of Duncan, which was necessary for the series, but is quite stupid, and makes immortals too much of a common thing. (Two immortals in the same clan, when it supposed to be 1:1000000. It should be a big deal if one of them kills another, so we don't have dumb things like the police never finding a connection to Duncan's dozens of victims)

What they should do, is consider only parts of the first movie cannon: the rules, the lower number of Immortals, the flashbacks, and characters (cynical Connor, Ramirez, Kurgan, Rachel, Basil etc.).

Then use some elements of the TV series (Watchers, Methos, etc)

And finally use one element of the third movie: the very rare special abilities that you can get by offing special immortals (like the illusion magic of Kane)

Keep some homages to other installments (mention of Kell, or the idea of a shield against solar radiotion and stuff)

This way you get the best of all worlds and have a world rich enough to support an ongoing for decades.

Duncan and Conner were also 100 years apart, so it's not as though they were next door to each other.

[War Lord]

It's worth it, especially once you get past the first episodes. (Season 6 could have been better too. They only did half a season, and the episodes were pretty much introductions to Immortals for a possible spinoff).

You just sort of have to gloss over the fact that the end of the Highlander movie wasn't really the prize (even though Duncan appears and they make mention of him killing Kurgan).

I hated the Raven.

While I could watch Highlander repeatedly, I couldn't watch Raven more than once.

[War Lord]

No, I mean, why is it better that we don't know?

Because it adds to the mystique.

Do you sit their and quiz your friends about their ancestry as far back as possible and, yet demand more or do you enjoy them because they exist?

How would it improve the series to find out how they came to be?

I honestly can't think of how knowing that immortals were really aliens, or flukes of geneaology, or creations of God, or any other possible scenario would add to the show.

[War Lord]

Wait. They're all orphans? I thought their parents were mentioned a few times. Hell, wasn't there a young immortal who called him mom on the phine right before he got beheaded?

The tv show made it clear that every immortal was adopted by their parents.

[GyLocke]

Duncan and Conner were also 100 years apart, so it's not as though they were next door to each other.

If you look at it that way, it kinda is. The immortals existence has been a secret from the beginning of time. That means there had to be only a very few of them. One in a million, like Ramirez said.

Also, one day, there's supposed to be only one of them, so fewer and fewer immortals supposed to be born, till one day, there's no more coming.

So two immortals from the same clan, with only 100 years between them has barely better chances, then they're living next door to each other.

Also, if they can use Connor for the comic, there's no need for Duncan.

The tv show made it clear that every immortal was adopted by their parents.

I didn't like that either. According to the show there were hundreds of immortals. Maybe more. And all of them just appeared somewhere, and got adopted? I thought that element was added not to completely contradict Highlander 2.

[War Lord]

Yep. They're all orphans. Although, with that in mind, it kind of makes you wonder why there aren't a hell of a lot more Immortals who are stuck as babies. Seriously, I'm supposed to believe that there was never an Immortal baby who ended up in a dumpster or a toilet stall and died their first death from starvation or disease or something?

They were probably put out of their misery by other immortals.

However, considering that every immortal that was shown in the tv or first movie had parents, it's quite likely that the foundlings were placed near where they would be found.

[War Lord]

I don't think disease will constitute a first death. Only a violent death, like being crushed or stapped or drowned or hung or beaten to death or burned alive or something like that. I think disease counts as a natural death, which wouldn't cause an immortal's immortality to activate.

I think the tv show made it fairly explicit that it had to be a violent death. If I remember correctly, and I did watch it more than a few times, it was mentioned that potential immortals who died of natural causes stayed dead.

[War Lord]

If you look at it that way, it kinda is. The immortals existence has been a secret from the beginning of time. That means there had to be only a very few of them. One in a million, like Ramirez said.

Also, one day, there's supposed to be only one of them, so fewer and fewer immortals supposed to be born, till one day, there's no more coming.

So two immortals from the same clan, with only 100 years between them has barely better chances, then they're living next door to each other.

Also, if they can use Connor for the comic, there's no need for Duncan.

If immortals are placed purposely, as opposed to just randomly dropped off, than it makes a level of sense to place them where other immortals have been placed before to help ensure that they get to adulthood.


I didn't like that either. According to the show there were hundreds of immortals. Maybe more. And all of them just appeared somewhere, and got adopted? I thought that element was added not to completely contradict Highlander 2.

It may have been a way of trying to solve inconsistencies, but it works.

[TheCorpulent1]

If you look at it that way, it kinda is. The immortals existence has been a secret from the beginning of time. That means there had to be only a very few of them. One in a million, like Ramirez said.

Also, one day, there's supposed to be only one of them, so fewer and fewer immortals supposed to be born, till one day, there's no more coming.

So two immortals from the same clan, with only 100 years between them has barely better chances, then they're living next door to each other.

Also, if they can use Connor for the comic, there's no need for Duncan.
I don't see the problem. There have been trillions of people or more throughout Earth's history. At the moment, there are probably what, a few thousand immortals scattered throughout the entire world's population of 6 billion people? They're still rare. Also, consider that there are those like Connor, who clearly try to stay out of the Game as much as possible and just enjoy their existence in peace. Unless evil immortals hunt them down, they're going to survive for a very, very long time.

The #0 comic was a prequel that takes place shortly after the first movie's end, so Connor's still alive. As far as I know, the people behind Highlander seem to be basing the current continuity on the first movie (minus Connor's winning the Prize), the TV series, maybe the third movie, and the fourth movie. That would make Connor dead in current continuity.

[GyLocke]

I don't see the problem. There have been trillions of people or more throughout Earth's history. At the moment, there are probably what, a few thousand immortals scattered throughout the entire world's population of 6 billion people? They're still rare. Also, consider that there are those like Connor, who clearly try to stay out of the Game as much as possible and just enjoy their existence in peace. Unless evil immortals hunt them down, they're going to survive for a very, very long time.

The #0 comic was a prequel that takes place shortly after the first movie's end, so Connor's still alive. As far as I know, the people behind Highlander seem to be basing the current continuity on the first movie (minus Connor's winning the Prize), the TV series, maybe the third movie, and the fourth movie. That would make Connor dead in current continuity.

In the start of the series they said the Gathering has started, Immortals are coming to America for the final fight.
Then they've abanadoned it soon, with him hanging in Paris, meeting dozens of immortals, fighting a demon, watchers and whatnot. Nothing indicated that the final fight is coming. I don't want that for the comics. I really want only a few dozen of them still alive, and preparing for the Gathering.

Did the #0 feature Duncan?

Did

[GyLocke]

Connor MacLeod is back in a brand new medium -- Comics! Our Immortal hero battles one of our most infamous villains, the evil Kurgan razed and reborn... or is he?

Find out in the premier issue #0 of The Highlander Comic Book Series created by Davis Panzer Productions and Dynamite Entertainment, written by Brandon Jerwa and Michael “Red Sonja” Avon Oeming with cover art by renowned artist, Gabriele Dell‘Otto.

Start your premier limited edition collection now--Many talented cover artists will be creating future covers, for the Highlander Comic Book, such as John (Astonishing X-Men) Cassaday, Billy (X-23) Tan, Mel (Red Sonja) Rubi, Lee (Painkiller Jane) Moder, Will (Red Sonja/Thulsa Doom) Conrad, and Guiseppe Camo (Captain Atom) Camuncoli. Plus, more covers by Gabriel (Secret War) Dell'Otto! In addition to Connor, several popular characters from both the film and the TV series are set to appear in upcoming issues of the new Highlander Comic.

Comic "0" Features events that start off shortly after the first film, Connor MacLeod, the Immortal Highlander, finds himself in the middle of a present day reunion that takes him back to Berlin, right after the events of the Second World War! During the "Coldest War" Connor comes up against the Kurgan and the cadre of highly trained super-assassins who follow him. Issue #0 leads directly into issue #1 of this all-new, ongoing series!

AWSOME!

[Elijya]

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[TheCorpulent1]

In the start of the series they said the Gathering has started, Immortals are coming to America for the final fight.
Then they've abanadoned it soon, with him hanging in Paris, meeting dozens of immortals, fighting a demon, watchers and whatnot. Nothing indicated that the final fight is coming. I don't want that for the comics. I really want only a few dozen of them still alive, and preparing for the Gathering.
You realize that that'll never happen in an ongoing, right? The Gathering means that someone will soon win the Prize. Winning the Prize means that the Highlander saga is over. I agree that abandoning the idea of the Gathering was lame in the show, but it was necessary because, like any serialized, open-ended format, a TV series needs room to grow. As lame as dropping the idea of the Gathering was, I guarantee you that trying to force Duncan and all the other immortals to live under the looming threat of the Gathering for all six seasons of the show would've been much, much worse.

Similarly, I'm fairly certain you won't find any mention of the Gathering taking place anytime soon in an ongoing comic. In fact, since Connor is the protagonist of the comics, I'm pretty sure it'll all be prequel stuff that takes place between the end of the first Highlander movie and the beginning of Highlander: Endgame.

[wiegeabo]

Poisons, gasses and suffocation don't kill them either although it does have an effect. One of the episodes has an Immortal who drinks Absinthe which poisons and kills mortals.That was how Duncan tracked the guy down. Duncan also says that immortals can catch diseases but not die from them. Suffocation puts immortals into a kind of suspended animation. One woman survived from ancient Egypt in a sarcophagus that way.


But they do die. They just come back to life later when the area allows. In one episode, Duncan was trapped underground during a German bombing and their was a gas leak. The leak eventually killed him and his girlfriend. When they were finally discovered and normal air got to him, he was able to come back to life.

And Absinthe is a very slow acting poison. It doesn't kill you out right, but over time, if you drink enough, it can drive you insane and then kill you. Since immortals heal very quickly, the bad effects of the drink were countered by that Immortal.

[GyLocke]

You realize that that'll never happen in an ongoing, right? The Gathering means that someone will soon win the Prize. Winning the Prize means that the Highlander saga is over. I agree that abandoning the idea of the Gathering was lame in the show, but it was necessary because, like any serialized, open-ended format, a TV series needs room to grow. As lame as dropping the idea of the Gathering was, I guarantee you that trying to force Duncan and all the other immortals to live under the looming threat of the Gathering for all six seasons of the show would've been much, much worse.

Similarly, I'm fairly certain you won't find any mention of the Gathering taking place anytime soon in an ongoing comic. In fact, since Connor is the protagonist of the comics, I'm pretty sure it'll all be prequel stuff that takes place between the end of the first Highlander movie and the beginning of Highlander: Endgame.

I've just read issue 0 of the comic. Awsome as it is, I don't think it follows the continuity of the series, and I'm certain Engame is not in continuity. They wouldn't do that to the fans of Connor who the comic is aimed at.

[The Question]

Also, if they can use Connor for the comic, there's no need for Duncan.

I rather like having both. They're different characters who compliment each other nicely. Connor's a cynic who just wants to be left alone. Duncan is a bit more optimistic and tends to go out of his way to help people. Having them play off of each other is very interesting.

[TheCorpulent1]

But they do die. They just come back to life later when the area allows. In one episode, Duncan was trapped underground during a German bombing and their was a gas leak. The leak eventually killed him and his girlfriend. When they were finally discovered and normal air got to him, he was able to come back to life.

And Absinthe is a very slow acting poison. It doesn't kill you out right, but over time, if you drink enough, it can drive you insane and then kill you. Since immortals heal very quickly, the bad effects of the drink were countered by that Immortal.
The dying/returning to life bit was added in the TV series. In the first movie, Connor literally couldn't die. I prefer it the way it is in the TV series, myself. I remember one episode where they had a really cool story where an immortal somehow blamed Duncan for leaving him trapped on an island somewhere, and he kept dying from starvation over and over and over again until he was finally rescued.
I've just read issue 0 of the comic. Awsome as it is, I don't think it follows the continuity of the series, and I'm certain Engame is not in continuity. They wouldn't do that to the fans of Connor who the comic is aimed at.
How would Connor's dying in Endgame affect the comic if it's set between Highlander 1 and Endgame? Big deal, Connor eventually dies. That doesn't detract from the adventures shown in the comic.

Also, given that Highlander: The Source is set to pick up where Endgame left off, I'd say Endgame is indeed in continuity. Like it or not, Duncan's basically the hero of Highlander at this point.

[hippy fascist]

I've just read issue 0 of the comic. Awsome as it is, I don't think it follows the continuity of the series, and I'm certain Engame is not in continuity. They wouldn't do that to the fans of Connor who the comic is aimed at.

It only takes into account the first movie and the tv series apparently. I guess nobodys wants the task of working out how to retcon all of that. And people say spidey's writers made some lousy choices recently, nothing JMS or QUESEDA have done has come anywhere close to endgame...and I hate QUESEDA

[TheCorpulent1]

But how do you feel about Marvel's EIC Joe Quesada? ;)

I wasn't too broken up about Endgame, myself. I always favored Duncan anyway.

[hippy fascist]

Just got home and look what arrived in the mail, don't have a scanner so I'll link it to the original listing!

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[deathshead2]

I rather like having both. They're different characters who compliment each other nicely. Connor's a cynic who just wants to be left alone. Duncan is a bit more optimistic and tends to go out of his way to help people. Having them play off of each other is very interesting.That would be kind of neat and I belive Duncan is going to be in the comic at the next story arc I remember reading about it before the comic was coming out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Good. I always wished they had more team-ups than just "The Gathering" and Endgame. The comic looks like it'll be pretty cool. Also, it's good because now I can hear Connor as a Scotsman in my head rather than with Christopher Lambert's weird, obviously non-Scottish accent.

[deathshead2]

But I like Lamberts voice and I hate Duncans arrr DIE.

[hippy fascist]

Duncan definately has the cheesier voice, also I hope they make it a bit more rough round the edges. This guys immortal yes but that doesn't mean he's not gonna gather a few imperfections along the way. He's far too fabio

[The Question]

Good. I always wished they had more team-ups than just "The Gathering" and Endgame. The comic looks like it'll be pretty cool. Also, it's good because now I can hear Connor as a Scotsman in my head rather than with Christopher Lambert's weird, obviously non-Scottish accent.

He's French.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whatever, his accent annoys me in everything I've ever seen him in.

[hippy fascist]

though to be fair connery's scotihish and yet he managed to pull off james bond...albeit with a distinctly scottish accent.

Sometimes an actor's sheer charisma can overcome such small hurdles. ARnie anyone...yes...conan is actually austrian. It's all a conspiracy i tells ya

[War Lord]

He's French.

who's french?

[hippy fascist]

lambert

[The Question]

Whatever, his accent annoys me in everything I've ever seen him in.

Even "Greystoke - The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes"?

[TheCorpulent1]

Never saw it, but I'm sure it would've annoyed me there, too.
Duncan definately has the cheesier voice, also I hope they make it a bit more rough round the edges. This guys immortal yes but that doesn't mean he's not gonna gather a few imperfections along the way. He's far too fabio
At least Paul made an effort to sound kind of Scottish. Lambert couldn't be bothered. Duncan's voice never really bothered me, either.

Also, what imperfections would you have liked to see in Duncan? He's already a womanizer.

[deathshead2]

Or mortal kombat

[hippy fascist]

His accent wasn't too much of a problem in subway :o

[hippy fascist]

Never saw it, but I'm sure it would've annoyed me there, too.

At least Paul made an effort to sound kind of Scottish. Lambert couldn't be bothered. Duncan's voice never really bothered me, either.

Also, what imperfections would you have liked to see in Duncan? He's already a womanizer.

I'm talking about the fact that these guys are warriors and yet he looks like a freakin' model. I'd have thought he'd pick up some non-fatal scars like a broken nose etc. Although this may been explained at some point in the show, never watched it regularly just dipped in and out

[GyLocke]

Also, given that Highlander: The Source is set to pick up where Endgame left off, I'd say Endgame is indeed in continuity. Like it or not, Duncan's basically the hero of Highlander at this point.

But there is no "the Highlander continuity"

There are at least 5 highlander continuities. (Highlander 1, 2, 3 (Highlander 1 with one small modification), cartoon, tv-series, books) The comics seem to be a 6th one, that have elements from most of them.

You can see I try to convince myself, Endgame never happened. Connor Freaking McLeod stepping aside, quitting, and letting his "Little TV-show Brother" cut off his head and take his force and eventually the Prize is the equal if what you guys would feel if Peter Parker raped Aunt Man to death.

Highlander is one of the three fictional characters I can work up myself about.

[War Lord]

I'm talking about the fact that these guys are warriors and yet he looks like a freakin' model. I'd have thought he'd pick up some non-fatal scars like a broken nose etc. Although this may been explained at some point in the show, never watched it regularly just dipped in and out

Once they become immortal, they don't scar and any injuries heal up perfectly. Any permanent scars that exist are the ones that they get prior to immortality.

The only injury that is permanent is when they lose body parts.

[GyLocke]

They don't scar and any injuries heal up perfectly, unless they lose a body part.

Except on the neck. If the cut is deep enough.

[War Lord]

Except on the neck. If the cut is deep enough.

I consider the head a body part.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, like that opera singer who got f***ed over in the TV series. :)

[The Question]

Actually, if the cut is deep enough, it will scar. But breaks and regular gets probably wouldn't leave any marks.

[TheCorpulent1]

But there is no "the Highlander continuity"

There are at least 5 highlander continuities. (Highlander 1, 2, 3 (Highlander 1 with one small modification), cartoon, tv-series, books) The comics seem to be a 6th one, that have elements from most of them.

You can see I try to convince myself, Endgame never happened. Connor Freaking McLeod stepping aside, quitting, and letting his "Little TV-show Brother" cut off his head and take his force and eventually the Prize is the equal if what you guys would feel if Peter Parker raped Aunt Man to death.

Highlander is one of the three fictional characters I can work up myself about.
Yeah, there are multiple continuities, but the one that Highlander 1 (with modifications), the TV series, and Endgame are part of seems to be the "official" one, as much as there is one, since that's what they're basing the next movie on. For the time being, that's the Highlander continuity. Maybe someone who loves Connor as much as you do will come along and take Endgame out, but for the time being it looks like Duncan's got Connor's Quickening and is moving on. I don't really mind it. As Harlekin noted, Connor was the recluse who wanted nothing to do with the Game. Duncan's the more heroic one who found himself getting actively involved in the Game as a means of helping others.

[War Lord]

Actually, if the cut is deep enough, it will scar. But breaks and regular gets probably wouldn't leave any marks.

Oh that's right. I forgot about Kalas.

[The Question]

And the Kurgen. He's got a scar on his throat from when Ramirez tried to behead him and failed.

[War Lord]

And the Kurgen. He's got a scar on his throat from when Ramirez tried to behead him and failed.

I only saw the first movie once and so I wasn't aware of that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Clancy Brown's natural voice, although awesome, isn't really like that.

[GyLocke]

Yeah, there are multiple continuities, but the one that Highlander 1 (with modifications), the TV series, and Endgame are part of seems to be the "official" one, as much as there is one, since that's what they're basing the next movie on. For the time being, that's the Highlander continuity. Maybe someone who loves Connor as much as you do will come along and take Endgame out, but for the time being it looks like Duncan's got Connor's Quickening and is moving on. I don't really mind it. As Harlekin noted, Connor was the recluse who wanted nothing to do with the Game. Duncan's the more heroic one who found himself getting actively involved in the Game as a means of helping others.

I know. And don't get me wrong, I even liked the show. It's just, the whole point of Connor's character was "Who wants to live forever". Life eternal broke that guy (especially his realtionship to Heather), like it would break anybody. But he still went to kick some nazi ass, and adopted a little girl who lost everything, even though he knew too well how bad is it to see someone age next to him, and eventually die.

I felt Duncan's character was a little more cartoony as the mistery solving, happy-go-lucky, womanizing hero. But I can see how it can be more appealing to some fans (I even though the creators were very clever with Tessa and her death)

On another note, I don't agree with Connor wanted nothing to do with the game.

I think for him, stopping the Kurgan from gaining the Prize, and unleash darkness on humanity was the only thing that kept him going.

[TheCorpulent1]

I suppose I just identify with Duncan more because he's had so much longer to become a well-developed character. The fact that Connor had to be dragged back into the Game kicking and screaming in every movie grated on me, and I started to view him as a petulant child who couldn't see the obvious truth about his destiny right in front of him. Hopefully the comic will give Connor the chance to grow into just as deep and rich a character as Duncan got to be after six seasons.

[GyLocke]

Also, since we're talking Highlander series, and interesting fact:

# Archangel" was to be a cliffhanger setting up Season 6. After Duncan kills Richie, he retreats to a monastery for 20 years. Season 6 picks up after those 20 years and Ahriman has gotten control of most of the world. There is a rebellion. Joe and Methos find Duncan in the monastery and talk him into getting back into the fight. Season 6 was to be about that fight. Apparently, Adrian Paul wanted less involvement in Highlander so he could pursue his movie career. So a new more truncated ending to the series was done.


A post apocalyptic Highlander with Duncan would've been awsome.

[War Lord]

Yeah, Clancy Brown's natural voice, although awesome, isn't really like that.

Kurgan: [smiling] Mom...

[TheCorpulent1]

Also, since we're talking Highlander series, and interesting fact:



A post apocalyptic Highlander with Duncan would've been awsome. They kind of reused bits and pieces of that plot for Endgame with Sanctuary. It would've been cool to see it in TV form, though. Too bad Paul wanted to go work on his non-existent movie career instead. :o

[GyLocke]

I suppose I just identify with Duncan more because he's had so much longer to become a well-developed character. The fact that Connor had to be dragged back into the Game kicking and screaming in every movie grated on me, and I started to view him as a petulant child who couldn't see the obvious truth about his destiny right in front of him. Hopefully the comic will give Connor the chance to grow into just as deep and rich a character as Duncan got to be after six seasons.

In the first movie, he didn't need THAT much. He was just kind of scared from Clancy Brown, but again, who isn't. Duncan had his monostery trips as well.

The sequels are pretty much garbadge though. But yeah, I hope more Connor character building, but i've just read issue 0, and Connor is awfully chatty in it.

I just hope they don't make him a Connor/Duncan hybrid.

[deathshead2]

ahhh Clancy Brown great actor also has a great voice.

[deathshead2]

Also I remember reading that Conner is supposed to start acting weird because after killing Kurgan his evil is sort of affeting him in some way. And they going to show that in the comic.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? That's more evidence that they're counting the TV series as canon for the comic, then. The idea of a Dark Quickening originated in the TV series.
In the first movie, he didn't need THAT much. He was just kind of scared from Clancy Brown, but again, who isn't. Duncan had his monostery trips as well.

The sequels are pretty much garbadge though. But yeah, I hope more Connor character building, but i've just read issue 0, and Connor is awfully chatty in it.

I just hope they don't make him a Connor/Duncan hybrid.
Yeah, that could be a problem. But if Duncan is supposed to appear in the series himself, that should help. They might end up in a buddy cop situation, where the differences in their personalities are magnified by each other's presence.

[wiegeabo]

I know. And don't get me wrong, I even liked the show. It's just, the whole point of Connor's character was "Who wants to live forever". Life eternal broke that guy (especially his realtionship to Heather), like it would break anybody. But he still went to kick some nazi ass, and adopted a little girl who lost everything, even though he knew too well how bad is it to see someone age next to him, and eventually die.

I felt Duncan's character was a little more cartoony as the mistery solving, happy-go-lucky, womanizing hero. But I can see how it can be more appealing to some fans (I even though the creators were very clever with Tessa and her death)

On another note, I don't agree with Connor wanted nothing to do with the game.

I think for him, stopping the Kurgan from gaining the Prize, and unleash darkness on humanity was the only thing that kept him going.

I'd have to agree. I always saw Conner as someone who was never the same after Heather died. She was his one true love, and her death put him into a depression he never really got out of. He'd have a few years of happiness, but in the long run, the Game just wore him down.

Getting the prize after the first movie gave him the relief he needed. But since that 'didn't happen,' by the time Endgame rolled around, he was tired. Tired of the Game, tired of the lonliness, just tired of life. The only thing that had kept him going was stopping evil Immortals like Kurgan. And since he knew that Duncan would be willing and able to continue the fight, he gladly gave him his Quickening so that he could finally rest.

[herakles]

Even though Ramirez mysteriously returns in the second movie. ;)

As for the sword question, yes, a rapier sucks for cutting heads off, but it's so much faster than a broadsword that you could probably bring the other Immortal to a "normal" death really easily while they're flailing around like an idiot, then take their broadsword off their defenseless near-corpse and cut off their head with that.
Highlander 2 and 3 are a REAL sequels to Highlander 1. Highlander endgame is basically Adrian Paul's tv version of the fanchise IMO Also I hear the is new movie being filmed in Prauge called Highlander "Origins". I used to watch the tv series all the time, hell I even drove up to LA for comic con to get Paul's autograph.

In the first 3 movies it seemed to me that the Immortals were superior physically and mentally to mortals but in the tv series it was like they were just humans at peak condition?

[TheCorpulent1]

I never got the idea that immortals were physically superior to mortals. The Kurgan was kind of a special case who was just naturally gi-f***ing-normous, the immortals were aliens in 2, which no longer counts, and in 3 the evil immortals knew some magic.

[GyLocke]

All this talk made me rend the Highlander. Watching it right now.

I have to say the movie's world is a lot darker than what the series had.

Even the Kurgan is kind of sad. In the first scenes, he is a barbarian, but also a cold, calculating strategist. (Staging a whole battle, to safely approach the rookie Connor, just to be sure.) He's slightly crazier when he fights Ramirez.

In modern days, he is a goddamn psychopath, probably because he's so out of place in our world. He's a savage warrior, who used to run with Attila the hun. I bet if it wasn't for the Prize, he would've killed himself a long ago.

Also, it had some real world sensitivites and attention to detail, that the series lacked for some reason (I have no idea why, they had a lot more time to work on these things) like immortals living under fake identities (Russal Nash), and police actually investigating beheadings. I hope the comic will be the same.

[wiegeabo]

The show mentioned fake papers and identites a couple of times, just never really went into a lot of detail. Dunan would typically leave everything to his 'son', who also happened to be named Duncan, then would pop up later (sometimes a couple of decades later) and pretend he was his own son so he could 'inherit' the money and continue with a 'new' identity.

And there was an investigation or two (and that one cop in the first season who was always suspicious of Duncan, they never really went anywhere with him). But those were plots they only touched on a couple of times and otherwise glossed over.

[GyLocke]

The show mentioned fake papers and identites a couple of times, just never really went into a lot of detail. Dunan would typically leave everything to his 'son', who also happened to be named Duncan, then would pop up later (sometimes a couple of decades later) and pretend he was his own son so he could 'inherit' the money and continue with a 'new' identity.

And there was an investigation or two (and that one cop in the first season who was always suspicious of Duncan, they never really went anywhere with him). But those were plots they only touched on a couple of times and otherwise glossed over.

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about the "son thing".

I remember the investigations, but they were never about goddamn headless bodies. (And we saw Duncan just walk away after job well done a lot of times. The seacouver PD is probably payed by Watchers.)

[The Question]

In modern days, he is a goddamn psychopath, probably because he's so out of place in our world. He's a savage warrior, who used to run with Attila the hun. I bet if it wasn't for the Prize, he would've killed himself a long ago.

Probably. He's from a time and culture where everything was about the glorious victory of battle. Now, the only people like that are psychos and criminals.

[wiegeabo]

Probably. He's from a time and culture where everything was about the glorious victory of battle. Now, the only people like that are psychos and criminals.

And government officials.

...oh, wait. You already listed them. :O

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about the "son thing".

I remember the investigations, but they were never about goddamn headless bodies. (And we saw Duncan just walk away after job well done a lot of times. The seacouver PD is probably payed by Watchers.)
Yeah, I assumed the Watchers took care of things like the immortals' bodies. They're not supposed to get involved, but they also want to keep the immortals' existence a secret for fear of the panic it would create. Disposing of bodies seems like it would fall under their jurisdiction.

As for the murder investigation in the movie, the obvious explanation is that the Watchers didn't exist back then. But if you want to set it in canon, you could say that Connor's Watcher was just crappy or was indisposed and couldn't get to the body in time or something.

[GyLocke]

Yeah, I assumed the Watchers took care of things like the immortals' bodies. They're not supposed to get involved, but they also want to keep the immortals' existence a secret for fear of the panic it would create. Disposing of bodies seems like it would fall under their jurisdiction.

As for the murder investigation in the movie, the obvious explanation is that the Watchers didn't exist back then. But if you want to set it in canon, you could say that Connor's Watcher was just crappy or was indisposed and couldn't get to the body in time or something.

According to the Wikipedia, Thorton was the watcher for Kurgan. That explains why he considered immortals a menace.

[War Lord]

Yeah, I assumed the Watchers took care of things like the immortals' bodies. They're not supposed to get involved, but they also want to keep the immortals' existence a secret for fear of the panic it would create. Disposing of bodies seems like it would fall under their jurisdiction.

As for the murder investigation in the movie, the obvious explanation is that the Watchers didn't exist back then. But if you want to set it in canon, you could say that Connor's Watcher was just crappy or was indisposed and couldn't get to the body in time or something.

The watcher organization is almost as old as the immortals themselves. It's not unknown for watchers to get murdered from time to time though or perhaps that the police got there before the watchers could do anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, that's what I just said. By "didn't exist back then," I meant out here, on this side of the fourth wall. They were created for the TV show.
According to the Wikipedia, Thorton was the watcher for Kurgan. That explains why he considered immortals a menace. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Kurgan could convince anyone that immortals are a menace.

[The Question]

Would the public knowing of the existence of the immortals really cause a panic? I mean, it would definately weird people out, but I doubt it would cause mass hysteria.

[WeaponZ2]

Would the public knowing of the existence of the immortals really cause a panic? I mean, it would definately weird people out, but I doubt it would cause mass hysteria.

How would you feel if you found out vamps were real?

[hippy fascist]

****ing awesome, guilt free mascre!(killing the vamps that is, not as one)

[The Question]

How would you feel if you found out vamps were real?


Well, at first I'd be "Dude, holy ****." Then I'd be "That's pretty cool." Than I'd start to get worried, and try and reaserch what areas have bigger vampire populations. If I live in a vamp town (which, I'd enever been atacked perviously, I wouldn't expect), I'd start carrying around some anti vamp gear at night just in case, same way someone in inner city New York might carry around mace at night.

[WeaponZ2]

Hmmmmm....that back fired. And all and all was a weak argument on my part. I believe the PROVED existence of the immortals would cause panic and problems for the immortals.

[The Question]

The main problem with the vampire arguement is that unlike vampires, the immortals from Highlander don't have humans as a part of their natural diet. So, less to be afraid of.

[WeaponZ2]

The main problem with the vampire arguement is that unlike vampires, the immortals from Highlander don't have humans as a part of their natural diet. So, less to be afraid of.

But vampires are less threatning then the Immortals.

[The Question]

How so? As I said, vampires do (or are at least known to) eat people. Immortals tend to concentrait on one another. Even evil immortals tend to have other immortals as their top priorities. The Highlander Immortals may be harder to kill, but they also have less offensive capabilities. They don't have super strength or enhanced senses, or any of the mysytical abilities that vampires have in some of the myths.

[wiegeabo]

The way I see it, if existance of Immortals had been released, there would have been panic in the form of mob violence out of nothing but sheer human stupidity and fear. Groups of uninformed and ignorant (and racist bastards) would group together and hunt down the Immortals because they feared they were all evil, or just fear them because they are different.

People would be accused of being Immortals and hurt or killed to prove it.

Governments would try to capture Immortals to either use them and make them disappear for fear of disrupting the status quo.

The medical world would want to hold them, and poke, prod, and test them endlessly to find out their secrets.


Sure there would be a lot of people on the other side, helping and protecting the Immortals. But really, if the general population learned that the winner of the Prize could potentially rule the world, governments and massive groups will go all Thornton on the Immortal populaton.

[The Question]

Fair point. When I hear mass panic, I tend to think of rioting in the streets and general histeria. While the revealing of the immortals would cause problems, they wouldn't cause a War of the Worlds level of panick.

Also, don't forget, people who have been honing their combat skills for centuries, who are almost entirely indestructible, and who don't require food, water, or even air make very apealing candidates for soldier's work. Various governments would probably try and track them down and try to turn them into their own personal military elite.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which would then create conflict between the military and the immortals, since no immortal's gonna want to be drafted into military service against his will. Many have chosen to serve throughout the centuries, but, as Captain America's proving in Civil War right now, devoting oneself to one's country and what basically amounts to indentured servitude are two very different animals.

And anyway, whether immortals caused a big panic or a little panic, the undeniable fact is that it would change the entire world's status quo. The Watchers would be as ill-equipped to predict the outcome of such a drastic change as we are right now, and that prospect alone is enough to make them want to keep the immortals secret, I imagine. The immortals themselves just want to be left alone, either to their own lives or to their pursuit of the Prize, without the fleeting laws of man getting in the way.

[GyLocke]

Well if vampires or immortals turned out to be real, I'm sure as hell would try to figure out a way, to utilize their ability to stop aging and heal from great injuries. They could help whole man kind make the next evoltuionary step, but all they do, is randomly suck blood or fightin each other. *******s.

[War Lord]

Would the public knowing of the existence of the immortals really cause a panic? I mean, it would definately weird people out, but I doubt it would cause mass hysteria.

People, by nature, do not like other people who are beyond the normal means of control and accountability.

If immortals existed, they'd naturally build up so much wealth and power that they'd be virtually gods on earth not bound by normal human means. They'd probably be fairly arrogant and callous by nature, because no matter what they did, they'd outlive their captors or situation.

[War Lord]

The way I see it, if existance of Immortals had been released, there would have been panic in the form of mob violence out of nothing but sheer human stupidity and fear. Groups of uninformed and ignorant (and racist bastards) would group together and hunt down the Immortals because they feared they were all evil, or just fear them because they are different.

People would be accused of being Immortals and hurt or killed to prove it.

Governments would try to capture Immortals to either use them and make them disappear for fear of disrupting the status quo.

The medical world would want to hold them, and poke, prod, and test them endlessly to find out their secrets.


Sure there would be a lot of people on the other side, helping and protecting the Immortals. But really, if the general population learned that the winner of the Prize could potentially rule the world, governments and massive groups will go all Thornton on the Immortal populaton.

Anybody who was an immortal couldn't stay in any one spot for more than 5 to 7 years, because people would get suspicious about a guy who looks exactly the same over that period of time.

[WeaponZ2]

How so? As I said, vampires do (or are at least known to) eat people. Immortals tend to concentrait on one another. Even evil immortals tend to have other immortals as their top priorities. The Highlander Immortals may be harder to kill, but they also have less offensive capabilities. They don't have super strength or enhanced senses, or any of the mysytical abilities that vampires have in some of the myths.

Highlander Immortals are more threatening to me on account of their lack of weakness. Precautions can be taken against vampires. Garlic, crosses, holy water, sun light, some cant even enter your house without being invited in. What is there to stop a Evil Highlander Immortal?
And to me vampires are just a bunch pale skinned, blood attics who go around at night looking for a fix. Maybe turn a few people over you know, but all and all their motives aren't as devious as those of a evil Immortal out to win a prize that puts them on the level of a demi-god.

[The Question]

Some vampires are very devious. Some are serial killers who get a kick out of mass murder. You can't say that vampires aren't as bad as evil immortrals, because good immortals aren't as bad as evil vampires. And vampires have a much more predatory nature than immortals. Immortals don't eat people, as I said.

[GyLocke]

Highlander Immortals are more threatening to me on account of their lack of weakness. Precautions can be taken against vampires. Garlic, crosses, holy water, sun light, some cant even enter your house without being invited in. What is there to stop a Evil Highlander Immortal?
And to me vampires are just a bunch pale skinned, blood attics who go around at night looking for a fix. Maybe turn a few people over you know, but all and all their motives aren't as devious as those of a evil Immortal out to win a prize that puts them on the level of a demi-god.

With Highlander 1 immortals like the Kurgan - Nothing. You ask them not to kill you very nicely. That's all you can do. I mean, damnit, Clancy Brown destroyed castles and houses just by clumsy dueling.

However, Highlander - the series immortals are pretty easy to kill. Bullets didn't even slow The Kurgan down, but in the series any chump can shoot them, knock them out and then cut their head off, since they're normal humans - except the ressurrection thing.

[deathshead2]

I want to see some immotals fight vamps that would be so cool see like a vamp/immortal hybrid or something now that would be unbeatable.

[The Question]

No. It would basically be an immortal with super strength who eats people.

[herakles]

With Highlander 1 immortals like the Kurgan - Nothing. You ask them not to kill you very nicely. That's all you can do. I mean, damnit, Clancy Brown destroyed castles and houses just by clumsy dueling.

However, Highlander - the series immortals are pretty easy to kill. Bullets didn't even slow The Kurgan down, but in the series any chump can shoot them, knock them out and then cut their head off, since they're normal humans - except the ressurrection thing.

Not only does the Kurgan shrug off bullets but Connor in the WWII flashback get shot and didn't die and what about him getting repeatedly run through in the duel sequence! Also if you remember Connor was able to breath water.

I think Immortals in the H1-3 are so much more powerful than the ones in the tv series. For one Duncan was found drowned on the shoares of Japan when he got his Kantana! Immortals starved to death aswell.

[wiegeabo]

Didn't Conner and Ramirez get shot to death in Highlander 2? The broke into the facility in a car that was blasted from all directions with gunfire. Then they wake up in the morgue and start bragging how many rounds they took.

[WeaponZ2]

Not only does the Kurgan shrug off bullets but Connor in the WWII flashback get shot and didn't die and what about him getting repeatedly run through in the duel sequence! Also if you remember Connor was able to breath water.

I think Immortals in the H1-3 are so much more powerful than the ones in the tv series. For one Duncan was found drowned on the shoares of Japan when he got his Kantana! Immortals starved to death aswell.

You know I always thought that Connor in WW2 would be a great movie all in its self. Fight a Nazi captain who was a immortal from Rome or Egypt, something like that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't Conner and Ramirez get shot to death in Highlander 2? The broke into the facility in a car that was blasted from all directions with gunfire. Then they wake up in the morgue and start bragging how many rounds they took.
Yep, they "died" in the second movie. In the first movie, though, they didn't even have temporary deaths. They'd just take all the punishment thrown at them and never stop.

[GyLocke]

However the second movie makes my eyes bleed as it is.

As for the Connor in WW2 - it is promised he will fight The Kurgan there in the comics.

Also, in issue 0 the Kurgan has some really creepy mortal acolytes who try to ger revenge on Conner, by doing something to the reactor in chernobil. Since Kurgan's power is in Connor now, the acolytes can feel when he's around, and one of them says: "I can here the masters soul in you, singing a song of fire and death."

Also, Brenda is blonde for some reason.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I liked that. The Kurgan's followers caused the Chernobyl disaster. Even when he's dead, the Kurgan is a bastard. :)

[The Question]

Really? Cool. Although I don't see how that's getting back at Connor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Even though Connor prefers to stay out of the Game, he's still got some regard for innocent human life. I doubt he'd let the Kurgan's followers destroy lives like that without caring.

[The Question]

True. I'd just think that their revenge would be more personal than that.

[TheCorpulent1]

It seems they've got more planned. I have a feeling that'll be the first major arc of the series, actually: Connor trying to get to the bottom of what the Kurgan's followers are planning.

[TheCorpulent1]

Here's a question: if an immortal takes another immortal's head on the latter's first death, would there be a Quickening? Technically the second immortal would still have been mortal.

[wiegeabo]

Immortals can sense the 'amount' of quickening other immortals have. (To put it another way, how long they've lived.) They'd likely just kill them normally, then take their head when they returned, or let them go to earn a quickening worth taking (which I think happened a couple of times in the series).

[wobbly]

Here's a question: if an immortal takes another immortal's head on the latter's first death, would there be a Quickening? Technically the second immortal would still have been mortal.

Not sure. Kurgen seemed to want to finish off Conner in the first movie though before he was 'reborn' so maybe that was possible (or maybe Kurgen just wanted to off a potential future rival, I really dont know to be honest).

Speaking on the first movie...thats where they should have left it. They finished the story there and then, Conner was the only one left, no need to make any more and no way to do it in any manner that makes sence (as evidenced by everything that has followed since).

[wiegeabo]

The way Highlander 3 was able to continue did make sense. All Immortals were dead, which means Conner gets the prize. But a few Immortals were not dead because they were beheaded, but because they were burried. So once they came back to life, the Game started anew, Conner became Immortal again because the Gathering had restarted, and they had to fight for the Prize (which would now include the knowledge from the 'dead' immortals).

[WeaponZ2]

The way Highlander 3 was able to continue did make sense. All Immortals were dead, which means Conner gets the prize. But a few Immortals were not dead because they were beheaded, but because they were burried. So once they came back to life, the Game started anew, Conner became Immortal again because the Gathering had restarted, and they had to fight for the Prize (which would now include the knowledge from the 'dead' immortals).

Thats not how I recall it at all (its been awhile). I thought Connor and Brenda were driving in Scottland when they got into an accedent. Brenda was killed, but Connor walked away unscaved. He then came to the realiztion that the game had not ended.
(We don't see any of this, but its menchend by a police officer ((Garfield?)) he says something like "Brenda and Nash were got in accedent in the scottish highlands. They have to scrape her body off the road but he walks away without a scratch." )

[wiegeabo]

He could have survived because of the Prize. Because when the evil Immortals are freed from their tomb, energy ripples in the sky above Conner as he and his son are riding. And he looks up and 'realizes' that the Game is back. (Probably because he felt the pull of the Gathering again.)

[The Question]

But the prize took away his immortality.

[WeaponZ2]

But the prize took away his immortality.

What he said....

[wiegeabo]

Which leaves us with the Paradox. He got the Prize in the first movie because he could hear the thoughts of everyone in the world, lost his immortality, could have children, and everything. Yet, in the third movie, he probably shouldn't have survived the accident without a scratch since he was supposed to be mortal again.

So, Conner surviving the car accident was either a very lucky thing, or bad writing. And judging by a good bit of the third movie, I'd think it was the second option.

[GyLocke]

Actually: in the end of the first movie, is not that clear that he's mortal, as it seems. He got some vaugely defined awsome power, gathered all the Immortal "souls" (his conversation with Ramirez) and the ability to have children, and they can live together in piece. He didn't say he is mortal now. Maybe he hoped he is, but how could he know, he can't "test it".
Even Ramirez says in the end, how big his power is now, and he has to use it well to help mankind. It wouldn't make much sense, if he could only wield that power for a few decades.

In the sequels the prize changed to become mortal, but that doesn't makes sense, why would Kurgan and his kind want to become one?

I guess the Prize depends on who gets it.

[wobbly]

The way Highlander 3 was able to continue did make sense. All Immortals were dead, which means Conner gets the prize. But a few Immortals were not dead because they were beheaded, but because they were burried. So once they came back to life, the Game started anew, Conner became Immortal again because the Gathering had restarted, and they had to fight for the Prize (which would now include the knowledge from the 'dead' immortals).
Those other immortals were buried and not dead at all, so Conner should not have won the prize when he killed Kurgen or even have been fooled in any way into thinking he had (would have been just another quickening). The baddie in the 3rd film even taunts Conner telling him he only thought that he had won the prize, could have kids and so on (the boy we see in the film is adopted).
Still, though the 3rd still doesn't work well for me, it was a vastly better attempt than than Highlander II (what were they smoking?)

Actually: in the end of the first movie, is not that clear that he's mortal, as it seems. He got some vaugely defined awsome power, gathered all the Immortal "souls" (his conversation with Ramirez) and the ability to have children, and they can live together in piece. He didn't say he is mortal now. Maybe he hoped he is, but how could he know, he can't "test it".
Even Ramirez says in the end, how big his power is now, and he has to use it well to help mankind. It wouldn't make much sense, if he could only wield that power for a few decades.

In the sequels the prize changed to become mortal, but that doesn't makes sense, why would Kurgan and his kind want to become one?

I guess the Prize depends on who gets it.
That was what I really liked about the end of the first film. None of the immortals knew what the prize was (Ramirez even said this I think) but they were all gonna fight to the death to win it and in the end it had something Kurgen certainly wouldn't have liked (mortality!!), however it would have giving him a chance to spread his evil across the world potentially even destroying it (hence Ramirez's warning to Conner on the 'darkness' the likes of Kurgen could bring to the world if he won the prize).

As regards the mortality issue, I certainly did regard him as having become mortal and his saying he could now have children (not something he would be mistaken about given the new knowledge he had won) I felt was a reference that this power could possibly continue in his progeny, going on to help man-kind after he his mortal life was over.

[GyLocke]

Maybe there was no reason for the Immortals to fight each other at all, but a funny guy in Macedonia started to spread the "There can be only one" rumor just for the hell of it.

[TheCorpulent1]

That'd be funny, but it wouldn't work with the TV series. Methos has been alive for over 5,000 years, well before Macedonia's time, and he's known "there can be only one" the whole way. I actually kind of like it that way. It's a nice irony, that people who have literally the entire future ahead of them have lost the secrets of who they are and why they fight to the past.

Anyway, I've just watched Highlander I and II again. Highlander I was better than I remembered and II was much, much worse. Even the Renegade version sucks because it just changes Zeist into some super-advanced civilization in the distant past. All it does is change the immortals from aliens to time travelers, which isn't much better.

All in all, I'm much happier with the way the current people behind Highlander seem to be taking it: that Highlander I is the only movie that counts, with the substitution of a normal Quickening after the Kurgan's death instead of the Prize. The weirdness of it could easily be explained by the fact that every Quickening is different and the Kurgan was repeatedly referred to as the strongest of the immortals. If you really wanted to push things, you could say that Connor was mistaken about winning the Prize, and that the voices he heard were actually those of the Kurgan's many, many victims echoing in his head after such an intense Quickening or something.

Also, regarding some earlier comments I made about Connor wanting to protect humanity, but just less than Duncan: I was wrong. Connor, throughout the entire first movie, seems to have a simmering disgust for humanity in general. The only way that I can guess his helping people in the comic series will make sense is that after defeating the Kurgan, as weig and others said, he felt more at peace because he'd settled his lifelong rivalry with the Kurgan, which made him get over Ramirez's death and Heather's rape, which made him a lot less angry and cynical about everything. Falling in love with Brenda probably helped a lot, too.

[GyLocke]

I didn't feel his disgust with Humanity. Yes, he was bitter and he had problems with the authority figures all his life.

But he went to fight in WW2, took in a little girl and raised her, fell in love wih a mortal, etc. I don't see what you're talking about.

[TheCorpulent1]

He has a soft spot for individuals, but as a whole he's not motivated by compassion for mortals like Duncan was in the series. The Kurgan goes around killing people left and right, which I'm sure Connor must've heard about in the news, but Connor only actively opposes the Kurgan when Brenda's life becomes endangered, despite the fact that he knows the Kurgan's only killing people for fun while he waits for Connor to fight him.

[GyLocke]

Well, Clancy Brown is one badass mother****er. If you remember, in series there are a few flashbacks when Kurgan gets mentioned, and it always comes with the "Stay the hell away from him, he's out of your league Duncan" warning.

Also, it was the last fight, For The Prize. If he loses, Humanity is ****ed. I can see how he didn't rush into a fight.

But you're right, Connor didn't seek confrontation like Duncan did, and mortals kind of portrayed like lesser beings, in the movie.
(And Connor let that guy get shot in the duel flashback. Granted he was wasted)

[TheCorpulent1]

I kind of look at them as opposite sides to a coin regarding humanity. Connor was broken and angry after Heather died, so he just dragged himself through the ages and developed an envy for mortals' ability to die and be at peace. Duncan embraced mortals more and developed an appreciation for them, so he tries to keep them alive in order to live their fleeting lives to the fullest. I haven't watched the Highlander series in a long time, though (it's next on my list), so I could be misjudging Duncan.

[GyLocke]

I remember being pretty pissed at Duncan for some **** he did to mortals, but I can't recall any of it.

I remember him offing a genuinly good Immortal, becouse Richie's *******ness. (Richie cut down an Immortal in his "bad boy" phase, who turned out to be the protage of the guy who once trained Ramirez. He was a nice enough guy, but he wanted to fight Richie - who could blame him. So Duncan killed him. He applied double standards on a lot of occasions, and seemed kind of a hypocrate.)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I remember that one. Duncan was definitely morally questionable at times. Overall, though, he seemed to care more about mortals than Connor did (aside from the women, since Connor genuinely seemed to love most of his women while Duncan was a notorious womanizer).

[Silicon Surfer]

In the series opener, Connor is the one laughing, smiling and cheerfully headhunting. Duncan is the one who is trying to stay out of the game.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's just Connor's personality. He tends to laugh about nothing in particular throughout all of the movies. My guess is that Connor was out of the Game himself (as usual) until Slan Quince did something to draw him back in and make it personal. He even tells Duncan that Quince is his and that Quince has a tendency to destroy everything an immortal cares about before killing the immortal himself. It definitely seemed like a personal vendetta to me.

[Silicon Surfer]

When Duncan asks Connor what he has been doing his answer is : "headhunting "

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, meaning he's looking to kill an immortal. So? Doesn't imply anything about why he's looking for said immortal or what context his conflict with said immortal began in.

[wiegeabo]

In the series opener, Connor is the one laughing, smiling and cheerfully headhunting. Duncan is the one who is trying to stay out of the game.

From what I remember, he's only happy when he's hanging around with Duncan. Like the time they were sparring, when he could forget about the Game, and just enjoy himself and life, and actually have some fun. Other times, he's his old gloomy self. Especially when he was around Tessa, probably because she reminded him of Heather, and he didn't want Duncan to go through the same thing he did.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, at least Duncan didn't go through the same thing he did. Tessa was nice enough to get murdered before they could spend a whole lifetime together. :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, I wonder why it didn't count my previous post...

[The Question]

Well, at least Duncan didn't go through the same thing he did. Tessa was nice enough to get murdered before they could spend a whole lifetime together. :oldrazz:



Yeah.




I really don't see how that's any better.

[GyLocke]

Well, Kurgan did rape Heather, what she kept as a secret for all her very long mortal life, and Connor had to learn about it later, from the laughing rapist himself, centuries later. That's gotta sting.

I say Duncan had an easier time with the death of Tessa. It's like taking off a band aid very quickly. Hurts like a ***** but only for a moments. When you take it off slowly it's a lot more painfull ( like watching the life slowly leaving the love of your love. Watching it for decades.)

[TheCorpulent1]

One could argue that Connor got a lifetime of joy and happiness out of Heather that he can always remember as well, though. Duncan's left to wonder what might have been. "Better to have loved and lost," as they say.

[WeaponZ2]

<P>One could argue that Connor got a lifetime of joy and happiness out of Heather that he can always remember as well, though. Duncan's left to wonder what might have been. "Better to have loved and lost," as they say.<BR><BR>You know you just reminded me of why Highlander is so great. Its so epic in so many ways. Its almost like two movies in one. The past being the first, the present being the second. <BR>Connor and Heather could be a movie in its own, a truly tragic love story.....I want to watch Highlander now.....*puts on queen sound track* Yeah, thats the stuff...</P>
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<P>I durning the hype black out I spent all my time at IMDB debating with ass holes about why Highlander is a good movie.....</P>

[Cyclops]

Will Connor have an incomprehensibly bizzare accent in the comics too?

[wiegeabo]

Will Connor have an incomprehensibly bizzare accent in the comics too?

In my head he will. :up:

Hey, you travel the world for four hundred years, picking up languages left and right, your accent tends to get a bit sloppy.

[The Question]

You know, I'm starting to think Sam Jackson is an immortal. I just saw Snakes on a Plane (which rocked), and he looks exactly like he did in Pulp Fiction.

[Cyclops]

He's Sameul L Mother ****ing Jackson! Agin' don't do **** to him! He kicks aging's ass up and down the mother****ing street!

[The Question]

The one person in existence to become an immortal because he felt like it. :o

[DBM]

He's Sameul L Mother ****ing Jackson! Agin' don't do **** to him! He kicks aging's ass up and down the mother****ing street!

We need a Samuel Jackson fact generator.

[TheCorpulent1]

The one person in existence to become an immortal because he felt like it. :o
He decided it wasn't enough to be a badass mutha****a. He's gonna be a badass mutha****a... FOR ALL TIME!

[TheCorpulent1]

Will Connor have an incomprehensibly bizzare accent in the comics too?
I tried giving him a Scottish accent in my head when I was reading #0 but two things happened: 1) I kept stumbling when I had to switch back and forth between that and Russian accents for the Kurgan's followers, and 2) he's just not Connor without the bizarre French accent. It'd be like thinking of Ramirez with a Spanish accent. It'd just be wrong.

[The Question]

He decided it wasn't enough to be a badass mutha****a. He's gonna be a badass mutha****a... FOR ALL TIME!

Totally. And when he wins the prize (which you know he will), he's so gonna find a way to resurect all the immortals ever and, with them, go and kill a bunch of mutha****in' snakes. :o

I tried giving him a Scottish accent in my head when I was reading #0 but two things happened: 1) I kept stumbling when I had to switch back and forth between that and Russian accents for the Kurgan's followers, and 2) he's just not Connor without the bizarre French accent. It'd be like thinking of Ramirez with a Spanish accent. It'd just be wrong.

Well, wouldn't he have a middle eastern accent when he's not speaking Spanish? You know, since he's Egyptian?

[TheCorpulent1]

No. He'd have a Scottish accent. Period.
Totally. And when he wins the prize (which you know he will), he's so gonna find a way to resurect all the immortals ever and, with them, go and kill a bunch of mutha****in' snakes. :o
No, he's gonna resurrect Jango Fett and kill him again, 'cause that mutha****a deserves it. Then he's gonna sip some grape soda with Yoda.

[The Question]

No, he's gonna resurrect Jango Fett and kill him again, 'cause that mutha****a deserves it. Then he's gonna sip some grape soda with Yoda.

Makes sense to me. Christ, an immortal and a Jedi? Mutha****a's gonna win that prize easy.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously. Swords? Please. Sam Jackson's gonna take his grape lightsaber to those *****es. :up:

[wiegeabo]

And remember, he did take Jango's head. We probably just didn't see the quickening on screen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Totally.

[The Question]

And Star Wars is "long long ago," right? Way I see it, he survived the fall in episode three, rurgically aquired new hands, left the republic galaxy, came to Earth, and eventually took the identity of Samuel L. Jackson.

[WeaponZ2]

And Star Wars is "long long ago," right? Way I see it, he survived the fall in episode three, rurgically aquired new hands, left the republic galaxy, came to Earth, and eventually took the identity of Samuel L. Jackson.

Its all coming together.....but I bet he grew new hands....

[TheCorpulent1]

He made new hands out of snakes he found on the very first plane.

[GyLocke]

Hey, what happens to a non SLJ immortal when he looses a hand?

[TheCorpulent1]

Sam Jackson comes by to laugh at them.

[hippy fascist]

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:up::up::up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Awesome. I don't know whether I'll get the Dell'Otto or Dorman cover.

[hippy fascist]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=81323

[TheCorpulent1]

Great interview. I'm particularly looking forward to more insight into Connor and Rachel's father/daughter relationship. The best news, however, came from the posts, where someone stole a bit from Oeming talking on Dynamite's message board:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2376533&postcount=11

Seems like the "official" continuity (as official as it gets, anyway) for the comic series is going to be Highlander 1, minus Connor winning the Prize from killing the Kurgan, plus all six seasons of the TV series. No 2nd, 3rd, or 4th movies, so the immortals are still enigmas rather than aliens, Connor's not a retard for thinking he won the Prize while Mario Van Peebles was pulling a Captain America in Japan, and both Connor and Duncan are still alive in the present and near future. Huzzah! :up:

[Goddamn Batman]

Wow... I want that one! :D


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[The Question]

Great interview. I'm particularly looking forward to more insight into Connor and Rachel's father/daughter relationship. The best news, however, came from the posts, where someone stole a bit from Oeming talking on Dynamite's message board:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2376533&postcount=11

Seems like the "official" continuity (as official as it gets, anyway) for the comic series is going to be Highlander 1, minus Connor winning the Prize from killing the Kurgan, plus all six seasons of the TV series. No 2nd, 3rd, or 4th movies, so the immortals are still enigmas rather than aliens, Connor's not a retard for thinking he won the Prize while Mario Van Peebles was pulling a Captain America in Japan, and both Connor and Duncan are still alive in the present and near future. Huzzah! :up:



So everyone wins. Hooray. Maybe they're be an issue where Connor and Methos go out drinking together. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

You're thinking too small. Here's one for you: maybe there'll be an issue where we learn that Methos trained the Kurgan back in his Horseman days. ;)

[The Question]

......dude. :up:




Wait. No. They already mentioned The Kurgan's teacher in the show. He was some Middle Eastern guy. The Kurgan killed him when his training was complete and weilded his scimitar for a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

Balls. Oh well, maybe Methos and the Kurgan went out drinking in the 1100s or something. :o

Actually, thinking about it further, why couldn't the Kurgan have had more than one teacher? Connor was initially trained by Ramirez, but he also learned from others. Duncan was initially trained by Connor, but he also learned from a lot of others.

[The Question]

True. Maybe he could have ran with the Horesmen for a while. Or, better yet, maybe they could do a slight retcon and say Methos gave The Kurgan his first death.

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be interesting. Did they ever mention who killed the Kurgan for the first time?

[The Question]

I read on Wikipedia that his father, while drunk, bashed his head in with a rock. But then, I'm not sure if that was ever mentioned in the films or TV series, or if it was just given on the net as his official bio.

[wiegeabo]

Or maybe Methos trained both Kurgan and Ramirez.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Duncan met Ramirez's mentor on the TV show, actually. But, again, it's probably likely that they had more than one great teacher over the many, many years they've been alive.

Speaking of which, how old is the Kurgan anyway? Methos is 5,000, Ramirez was about 2,000 when he died, but I don't remember ever hearing how old the Kurgan was.

[The Question]

The Kurgan cultures spanned huge periods in Russia. He could be from the Eneolyth age, the Bronze age, the Iron age, the Antiquity age, or the Middle Age.

[TheCorpulent1]

But the Kurgan himself has never received an official age?