V for Vendetta or Batman Begins.

[chosen1]

Man I loved both of these movies. I am a hardcore batman fan. But I cannot come to a conclusion on which film was better. It's suprising to me that I have thought about this for this long. And it looks like I enjoyed V for Vendetta a little more.



Which one did you guys like?




ONe thing I did'nt get in V for vendetta. At the end V told eve that he had to destroy this world he helped create and it was up to eve to pull the lever to start the new world. So does that mean V was part of the plot to form the chancellors vision before he got imprisoned?

And I dont think V was Gay but everytime I watch the opening and he is brushing his hair in the beginning it makes me wonder.....



Awesome movie.

(If anyone has a pic of the poster of Valerie Promoting her movie 'The Salt Flats' please post I want that picture.)

[ampersand]

V helped create the world because he was the prisoner that the St. Mary's/Three Waters virus was created from. At least, that's how it sounded to me.

[chosen1]

V helped create the world because he was the prisoner that the St. Mary's/Three Waters virus was created from. At least, that's how it sounded to me.


oh okay

[the_joker]

I think V was probably a homosexual, because why else would he be imprisoned seeing as he was a white englishman. Also he did come across as a bit effeminate in some scenes.

And when he said he had to destroy the world he has helped to create, I thought it was because he, like the majority of Britons was worried about felt that Sutler was what the country needed to 'save' the England from ending up like USA.

[hippie_hunter]

No, V wasn't a homosexual in the movie, because in the movie he fell in love with Evey.

I liked V for Vendetta, I got it on DVD. It was awesome. But I have to agree with Alan Moore. The movie should have been a movie about anarchism and facsism, not right vs. left. The movie should have kept the books original intentions: a commentary about Thatcher's Britain not a commentary about Bush's America. In my opinion, Warner Bros. and the Wachoski Bros should have treated it like Sin City, a near perfect adaptation that would have made Alan Moore happy.

Batman Begins was just plain bad ass. Unlike V for Vendetta, you can't really make a near word for word adaptation like Sin City because there are just so many Batman stories. Batman Begins shows you how to make a Batman movie, unlike its predecessors.

[Darth Elektra]

Both films were great! But I give it to V for Vendetta!

[chosen1]

Correct me if I'm wrong in the movie did he not say he doe'snt remember his life before the accident. If so, it might be possible he was gay.

Question: why is he so stong?

[kame-sennin]

Unlike V for Vendetta, you can't really make a near word for word adaptation like Sin City because there are just so many Batman stories.

You could easily do a Sin City take on Year One.

[hippie_hunter]

You could easily do a Sin City take on Year One.

On that specific story yes, but there are so many different interpretations of Batman. You have O'Neil's Batman. You have Loeb's Batman. You have Miller's Batman. You have Kane and Finger's Batman. You have Burton's Batman. You have Schumaker's Batman. You have Timm and Dini's Batman. Going with just one interpretation of Batman is not the way to go. In my opinion, even though I loved Superman Returns, they shouldn't have gone with just Donner's Superman.

[OtepApe]

I enjoyed V so much, but to me, Batman Begins is the perfect comic book movie.

[nolan's roll'n]

Batman Begins was better.

[nolan's roll'n]

I enjoyed V so much, but to me, Batman Begins is the perfect comic book movie.

Yeah, I agree. :up:

[CConn]

No, V wasn't a homosexual in the movie, because in the movie he fell in love with Evey.

I liked V for Vendetta, I got it on DVD. It was awesome. But I have to agree with Alan Moore. The movie should have been a movie about anarchism and facsism, not right vs. left. The movie should have kept the books original intentions: a commentary about Thatcher's Britain not a commentary about Bush's America. In my opinion, Warner Bros. and the Wachoski Bros should have treated it like Sin City, a near perfect adaptation that would have made Alan Moore happy.

Batman Begins was just plain bad ass. Unlike V for Vendetta, you can't really make a near word for word adaptation like Sin City because there are just so many Batman stories. Batman Begins shows you how to make a Batman movie, unlike its predecessors.He's a question. Right there, you gave a pretty great explaination BB is the better adaptation, but does that make it the better movie?

[Speedball]

I wanna watch both at the same time.

[The Kid]

v's probably better, though I haven't seen it. I could see the fight scenes clearly in the trailer so if it can beat begins there maybe the rest did as well.

[Addendum]

I finally got around to seeing V for Vendetta.

I liked the comic series better than the movie.

With regard to Batman Begins, I like the movie more than the comics

[Bullseye]

V for Vendetta or Batman Begins? This is the hardest ****ing question I've ever had to answer. The answer is... I don't know.

[XCharlieX]

Lets not pit them against each other. according to reviews ive read, Vendetta is a classy film about a person in circumstances with the right to go above the law for the good of society, and so is Batman begins.

Im going to check out Vendetta soon.

[Leto Atrides]

V for Vendetta. Has a great style, and I editing/cinematography (e.g. the reocurring shots of the family/people in the bar/etc. that in the end shows they all left to go Parliament).

Begins is a great movie, but I don't like the hard-on for realism, and the fact they mucked about with characters so much (Ra's, Carmine).

[ToddIsDead]

I both enjoyed Batman Begins more and thought it was a better movie, but not by much on either accounts. They both rock.

[HellOnEarth]

V for Vendetta was horrible.

I fast forward x16 on my Labtop DVD player. :down

[Chaos Bringer]

Bb Ftw

[xwolverine2]

thats hard to answer.......

both were incredible movies with different messages to give

[Leto Atrides]

V for Vendetta was horrible.

I fast forward x16 on my Labtop DVD player. :down

It would be nice if you said what you thought about it, and not just that it's "horrible".

[Nivek]

V had better cuts to the action, and better pacing. But it is Batman. I dont know, I call a draw...

[Charlie No-One]

Both are very good, but I think I like V better.

[Soundwave88]

I enjoyed both but there two different people!!

but Batman Begins wins my vote

[Chris Wallace]

Both are very good, but I think I like V better.
Ditto.:up:

[swifty]

what's up with this "V was gay" thing?

ONCE AND FOR ALL, HE WAS NOT I REPEAT NOT GAY, HE FELT IN LOVE WITH EVEY AT THE END.

[Chris Wallace]

Some people like accusing others of being gay; noone knows why.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Batman Begins, but I liked both of the movies even though neither of them are great.

[The Kid]

v's probably better, though I haven't seen it. I could see the fight scenes clearly in the trailer so if it can beat begins there maybe the rest did as well.

this is what I said earlier. well i finally saw v and it's EASILY better than batman begins. Oh my god I will not believe a word from anyone who says begins is better than V, that's just not possible after what I saw. V is a damn classic... I want it.

[matrix_ghost]

Wow , this is one of the more difficult choices. Both movies are easily classics and both of them have minor flaws.

However in terms of story and acting ( which are THE MOST important aspects of cinema IMO) , V for Vendetta easily wins. There are just layers upon layers in V for Vendetta. You just keep seeing parallels with today's society as well as the fact that it does bode a somber prediction towards the future .

What i really liked in V for Vendetta and Batman Begins is that in both movies they explain what the value of a symbol is and the idea that such a symbol represents.

Bruce :
People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne, as a man I'm flesh and blood I can be ignored I can be destroyed but as a symbol, as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.

V :
A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world.

V:
Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.


Evey :
We are told to remember the idea, not the man. Because a man can fail. He can becaught, he can be killed and forgotten. But four hundred years later an idea can still change the world. I've witnessed firsthand the power of ideas. I've seen people kill in the name of them; and die defending them. But you cannot touch an idea, cannot hold it or kiss it. An idea does not bleed, it cannot feel pain, and it does not love. And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man. A man who made me remember the fifth of November. A man I will never forget.

Both movies IMO are classics. Í can't wait to see what Nolan will do for the future of Batman franchise and WB itself ( *hint*hint SInger :p).
And i definately think it's time that the Wachowski's show just what they can do as the next generation of the young directors.
Same goes for James McTeigue ....( why won't ya direct Superman James :( )





Edit :
Oh and one more thing. On the whole V is gay thing.
No he's not gay. The camp that he was sent to ( Larkhill) was a camp where all kinds of people came. Colored people , gay's , non gays , commies etc etc.
If you've read the novel , you'll see the scenes with Delia Surridge where she's talking about the 5 rooms. In on of the rooms , there was a black guy who died , in another was Valerie as a lesbian and another had V. V clearlt isn't a homosexual in the movie as he does fall in love with Evey.
But he really isn't.

Still he does represent all of them , as the end scene of the movie shows. There are shots of everyone , blacs , whites , Delia , Derek and Valerie. It means that V is everyone .

[chosen1]

I don't think V was gay either. I dont want my topic to get off the subject but for anyone to say w/ absolute certainty that V was not gay. Did not pay attention to the sutble signs of the movie or Does'nt want him to be.

What I mean by subtle signs is that the comedy sketch host guy eve had an appointment w/ was gay. He was cooking the same breakfast that V was cooking for eve. (I know that's a little weak... but wait.)

when he revealed his secret room to eve and that he was gay he said something he had to hide the fact he was a homosexual by having a reputation of being a womanizer but he wanted men. he also said
something like this.

"if you wear a mask long enough to hide you forget who you were underneath it."

Correct me if I'm wrong. But V did'nt remember anything about his life before the accident right?

So those people saying he fell in love w/ eve at the end of the movie so he's not gay.....

Sorry that fact is irrelevant.

If you lose an aspecto of who you are. You are a completely different person.


Again I dont care one way or the other. But No one knows for sure.

[matrix_ghost]

Are you referring to the explosion as the accident
Well i don't think that V forgets everything before the accident.
That would mean that he would never know about Valerie . ALso the lost arts , he would never know who really was responsible for the attack on the hospitals etc.

He does remember his life , but he doesn't want to tell EVey about it since. it takes away the idea what he should represent.

[O'Haire]

I liked V For Vendetta. But Batman gets my vote. I can still watch it and enjoy it just as much as I did the first time I saw it.

[chosen1]

Are you referring to the explosion as the accident
Well i don't think that V forgets everything before the accident.
That would mean that he would never know about Valerie . ALso the lost arts , he would never know who really was responsible for the attack on the hospitals etc.

He does remember his life , but he doesn't want to tell EVey about it since. it takes away the idea what he should represent.

I thought he himself said he doesnt remember much about before that time. and I believe the accident was the experimentations on him. In that case he would remember Valerie. I'm 90% sure he said something about him not remembering much before his time there.

I could be wrong.

[matrix_ghost]

Hmm , i'll have to check out the dvd

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Batman was gay, you could tell that he had a thing for Gordon.

[The Kid]

If there was a fight between V and batman, not only would I be able to see V's techniques, but he'd have stuck 5 knive through batman's head before batman could even slowly fumble around in his rubber suit to find a batarang.

[3dman27]

v for vendetta

[chosen1]

So it looks like V for Vendetta is winning!

[Fenrir]

Action - V for Vendetta. Not only is it better than Batman Begins, but it's also one of the best, most visceral choreographed fight scenes I've seen in quite a while.

Acting - Batman Begins. Yes, might seem like sacrilige to some of you. The only shining performance in V for Vendetta was Hugo Weaving as V (ironic considering he was the only one without a face) while the rest were pretty monotone and wooden. Natalie Portman's was very much uneven across the board. Whereas Batman Begins had an all-round stronger showing by Neeson, Bale, Oldman, Murphy and Caine with some nice comic relief by Morgan Freeman to boot.

Screnplay - This one's an easy win for V. I need not even mention why. Smart writing all around.

Story - Batman Begins. A major cause for this is the fact that V for Vendetta's story had been incredibly "dumbed down" from the graphic novel iteration. It was no longer as complex and intriguing but rather fairly simple and straightforward. There are a few moments where the film really shines (such as during the Valerie subplot and any instance where the film is faithful to it's source material), but for a film about an increasingly complicated subject, it's often a self-parody of itself with it's pretentiously limited portrayal of the good and evil forces in the film and this really takes the snap out of the story. Plus the political references are so damned obvious, a 6-year old can easily figure them out. While Batman Begins scores for moving at a brisk pace inspite of a longer running time, a more involving story, having more soulful and fleshed out characters and a much more human and relatable protagonist.

Cinematography - Batman Begins by a mile. V for Vendetta was clearly shot on a limited budget and it shows. Where Batman has lush vistas and great all-encompassing wide angle shots, V for Vendetta is noticeably cramped and claustrophopic. The color palette is also less attractive and often, quite dull compared to Batman Begins.

Music - Again Batman Begins. Dario Marianelli's score is downright beautiful at times (most notably during Valerie's story) and Beethoven's symphonies are hard to beat anyway. But Batman Begins again has a better balanced score that is equally emotional, edgy, atmospheric and heroic at the same time. Guess it pays to have two high profile composers collaborating on your film.

Direction - James McTiegue's first foray into filmmaking as a director is definitely worthy of high praise, but Nolan shows that being a seasoned veteran with more than 3 films and 7 years of directorial experience under his belt has more than it's fair share of advantages.

Batman Begins for the win. :batman:

And if I might add, I noticed that V for Vendetta really loses a lot of steam after repeated viewing while the exact opposite is true for Batman Begins. The first time I saw V for Vendetta, I'd probably have rated it a solid 9 out of 10 but the more I see this film, the less I like it.

[chosen1]

Fenrir where did you get your name from?

[The Kid]

Remember the fifth of november.

[CConn]

You forgot a remember.

[The Kid]

Remember?

[CConn]

Obviously, you didn't.

[Fenrir]

Fenrir where did you get your name from?

Norse Mythology and a videogame called Xenogears.

[Red Mask]

V for Vendetta.

[chosen1]

Norse Mythology and a videogame called Xenogears.

I knew I heard that name somewhere before!

Fenrir was my favorite gear. His sword movements were gangster

[The Kid]

Obviously, you didn't.

I remember the fifth of November.

[Batman1939]

Make A Poll????? Anyways Batman Begins just beats VFV.

[chosen1]

I dont know how to make a poll. Tell me

[chosen1]

I watched V for vendetta last night and the scene where finch obtained the doctors red notebook. there is a flashback of when the doctor is talking emplying that finch was reading it and there she said that the man in room five did'nt remember anything about his life before his time there.

It makes me think that maybe the injections they were giving the prisoners made them lose some of their memory from the early days of their lives.

"I was born in Nottingham in 1985 I dont remember much about those days but I do remember the rain." -- Valerie (Who cant remeber things from back to age of 7?)

So it is possible he was gay. Or muslim. or a terrorist. or all three

[CConn]

I remember the fifth of November.And you really think that's good enough?

[Flexo]

And you really think that's good enough?

I remember the Fifth Element. :up:

[CConn]

That's because you're awesome, Flexo. That's because you're awesome.

:up:

[Flexo]

That's because you're awesome, Flexo. That's because you're awesome.

:up:

Truly, that's all you need. Although a little Bruce Willis never hurts.

[batbat_29640]

I know I'm gonna get herrassed for this but here goes. I'm a long time hardcore Batman fan. Even before Michael Keaton I was a hardcore fan. Batman Begins was the closest on screen interpretation to how I view Batman. Yes characters were f-ed with [ Wilkenson shaould have been Loeb . . . Christopher Walken should have been Falconi] Murphy was a very good Crane but I miss the suit and the hat. As much as I liked the swarm of bats scene in the cave I would have rather seen Miller's version of his choice of symbol. . . or at least heard him say " Father, I shall become a Bat". Bale's portrayal of both Wayne and Bats is everything I could have hoped for. And FINALLY we had the Gordan / Batman relationship and the vanishing Batman trick w00t.
But I must say I enjoyed V as a movie so much more.

[ShadowBoxing]

I hated how they virtually changed the entire message and undertones of V for Vendetta. The comic itself is so much more layered than the movie which was turned into a political rally against George Bush.

[Anita18]

I thought most of the changes were pretty good, in light of what's happening now politically. But I was about to yell, "BLASPHEMY!!" when they made Evey and V attracted to each other romantically. Despite being a chick, I hate chick flicks with every bone in my body, and there wasn't a use for the forced romance at all. V is like Evey's father, and...I dunno, it was just creepy. I love Phantom of the Opera, but V isn't lonely just because he's ugly, he's lonely because he's on a serious mission, and he will use anything and anyone to make sure it succeeds (yes, even manipulating Evey to a point).

Oh, and not to mention I was seriously miffed that they changed Finch's revelation at Larkhill. In the book, he realizes that the power to throw off oppression lies within every individual, and in the movie he goes on this "We are all connected" schpiel that I was scratching my head over. It had no POINT, and that moment in the book was one of the most powerful messages that I took from the novel itself.

ETA: Oh, and of course that means I prefer Batman Begins. V had its really good moments, but those two things prevent me from loving it completely.

[Mr. Socko]

No, V wasn't a homosexual in the movie, because in the movie he fell in love with Evey.

I liked V for Vendetta, I got it on DVD. It was awesome. But I have to agree with Alan Moore. The movie should have been a movie about anarchism and facsism, not right vs. left. The movie should have kept the books original intentions: a commentary about Thatcher's Britain not a commentary about Bush's America. In my opinion, Warner Bros. and the Wachoski Bros should have treated it like Sin City, a near perfect adaptation that would have made Alan Moore happy.

Batman Begins was just plain bad ass. Unlike V for Vendetta, you can't really make a near word for word adaptation like Sin City because there are just so many Batman stories. Batman Begins shows you how to make a Batman movie, unlike its predecessors.

I completely agree. Not once did V even say the word "anarchy" which is his whole theme in the book. They changed a whole lot of stuff around.

Btw, maybe it was just me but I don't remember V slashing everyone's throats in slow motion in the book...

And WTF is a Sutler??????????????? I don't recall him in the book.

[Mr. Socko]

I hated how they virtually changed the entire message and undertones of V for Vendetta. The comic itself is so much more layered than the movie which was turned into a political rally against George Bush.

Exactly. And is there a reason why the aragont Wachowskis had to put "An uncompromising vision of the future from the Wachowski Bros". They did not create V for Vendetta ergo it ain't their vision.

[Chris Wallace]

It may not be their creation, but it is their vision of Moore's creation.
Besides, what makes you so sure THEY slapped that tagline on there? Sounds more to me like something that WB's advertising gurus would've done. I don't think filmmakers have any control over marketing.

[Mr. Socko]

Unless their last name ends with Spielberg, Wachowski, Jackson, or Lucas, you're probably right.

[ShadowBoxing]

It may not be their creation, but it is their vision of Moore's creation.
Besides, what makes you so sure THEY slapped that tagline on there? Sounds more to me like something that WB's advertising gurus would've done. I don't think filmmakers have any control over marketing.V though is not a character, it's a story. It's important to keep a story intact if you are indeed going to adapt it. If you want a new movie, create one, but don't take a self contained piece of work. Slap five or six of it's characters in it and call it V for Vendetta. Adapt it. I get really sick of these homage or INO comic films.

[Chris Wallace]

By that rationale, I guess the only good comic book movie is Sin City. Every movie can't take the Sin City route & most of them shouldn't. V, IMO, was one of them.
And I never called V a character, although I disagree w/that statement as well.