If the Riddler was in a Begins sequel, what would you want him to be like?

[Malone]

If the Riddler was in a Batman Begins sequel this is how I would want him to be:

Some people mentioned that they liked the idea of the Riddler being like the villains from "Saw" and "Se7en". I really like those ideas. I think that having the Riddler would be a good chance to do a mystery/who done it, story. Everybody knows that the Riddler is Edward Nigma, so they should never actually show you who Edward Nigma is. Instead, they should show you Edward Nigma sometime in the movie (maybe, meeting Bruce Wayne), but not let you know that it's him. They should unravel the mystery at the end of the movie, finally revealing who the Riddler is.

I also think that the Riddler should be lethal, like the villains in "Saw" and "Se7en", and that there should be a Riddle next to all of his victims. Unlike the Joker, though, his murders should have meaning and purpose behind them (revenge?). He shouldn't kill people at random, or just for the fun of it.

So what do you think?

[XCharlieX]

Thats interesting... i think if they introduced the detective aspect of batman they could do the surprise ending like that.

One picture in my head is Robin williams playing a disturbed genius type, like 1 hr photo -esque.. quiet and such. He goes to work everyday, has grudges that nobody knows about, one day leaves a wordplay riddle on the bosses desk and then walks out of the building all dorky and all as it explodes heh. Something like that I could definitely see, but no over the top silliness like Carrey.

[Two-Face]

I agree that he should have a motive for the people he kills and I like the 'Saw' idea but I don't wan't it exactly the same. Instead of solving a mechanism, they should have to solve riddles or the Riddler will kill them.

I also think he should be around the same age if not a little younger than Batman. I don't like the idea of him being old.


Malone: I like the mix of saw and Seven on The Riddler.

Majik1387: I like idea as well and I also think The Riddler should be same age or few years older nothing like The Long Halloween and Edward Norton would be great.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I want him to be devious, shrewd, always one step ahead of the cops, but not one step ahead of Batman.

There's two routes I could see his character being introduced as:

1. "Seven" route- The Riddler is serial killer who leaves riddles on whom he might kill next. Throughout the whole film he leads the Gotham Police Department and Batman on a wild goose-chase all over Gotham. Riddler is made out to be an anarchist/vigilante who is killing corrupt politicians and authority leaders.

2. "Die Hard With A Vengeance" route- Riddler is introduced as a mad bomber who leaves bombs that are designed as puzzleboxes, rubix cubes, and children's toys. Anyone who cannot crack the code in a certain amount of time will explode. Riddler starts targeting major Wayne Enterprises buildings after being fired by Bruce Wayne (yes it's like Schumacher's "Batman Forever" only not really) or he goes after the mayor. Either or he goes after would be interesting.

[Malone]

I agree that he should have a motive for the people he kills and I like the 'Saw' idea but I don't wan't it exactly the same. Instead of solving a mechanism, they should have to solve riddles or the Riddler will kill them.

I also think he should be around the same age if not a little younger than Batman. I don't like the idea of him being old.

I like those ideas.

XCharlieX- you're right. I don't think that Jim Carrey did a very good job, too silly.

Two Face- I think that Edward Norton would do a great job, have you seen "Primal Fear"?

NinjaTurtleFan- I like the bomb idea from "Die Hard with a Vengence". I also think that it would be cool to see the Riddler panic at some point ( Because Batman is hot on his trail), and kill somebody in a very sloppy way, like stabbing.

[Two-Face]

Two Face- I think that Edward Norton would do a great job, have you seen "Primal Fear"?


No I haven't is it good? I like Norton as an actor and I also think he great too.:up:

[Bathead]

Riddler is not a killer, or at least he wasn't for the longest time, when I was reading the comics up until a few years ago. He is an intellectual snob, believing he is smarter that everybody else, and gets a thrill by challenging Batman and police with his Riddles and crimes. The only attempted killings should be his infamous death traps which are basically giant complex puzzles that Batman must solve or die.

[Dr.Dude]

The most important thing about this character is that he has to come off as smart... genius, even. The sort of guy who's brilliant, knows that he's brilliant, and would have no problem rubbing the fact that he's brilliant in your face.

So on the surface he should be a calm, collected type... slightly geeky, but still extremely menacing... you can tell from his eyes that he carefully has secret plans laid out everywhere within his mind.

But there's an important detail, which is that under the surface, he's still an absolute nutcase, and this part can't be left out. Picture it this way.... on the outside he's John Doe from Seven, but if you look through the cracks to deep on the inside, only bursting out accidently, there's a little bit of Frank Gorshin lurking there, and this is what really leads him into being the elaborate, egotistical freak that he is.

[nolan's roll'n]

Paul Bettany or Ed Norton for the Riddler.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Paul Bettany or Ed Norton for the Riddler.

Both are good candidates. Jude Law too or Sam Rockwell would fit too. I would also love to see David Hyde Pierce just because like I said numerous times on this board that he does resemble the "BTAS" Riddler.

[Malone]

No I haven't is it good? I like Norton as an actor and I also think he great too.:up:

Primal Fear was a great movie. I don't want to tell you too much about it, but it's a sort of murder mystery. It's definately worth checking out, I think you'll enjoy it.:)

[whiteAngelus]

on one of the batman cartoons I saw a joker I loved, he was like both ideas that ninjaturtlefan mentioned he must be like this and be the genius someone else mentioned, he must have motives and reasons he isnt insane in the same way the joker is and must fight batman and not just get beaten like the scarecrow was he must uses trips that are clever like a simply electric shock device nothin flashy just practical, he should send Batman on a chase and be a 4D villian and I would really love him to be in the Franchise probably in the third one with Two face so we have had by the end of the 3rd film

Ra's al Ghul, scarecrow, carmine falconie, Joker, Pengiun, Two Face and Riddler with several reoccuring like scarecrow should be back for the second but with a sod off sythe or Joker in too and three but I cant wait for the Riddler who after that one version of him as become one of my favourite Batman villains- ps saw two violent for him in my opinion he should just be get the job done thats it like gas or quick death nothin like ya head in a vice thats about to take ya head off- bombs are good ideas cause more distruption than anythin else

[whiteAngelus]

on one of the batman cartoons I saw a joker I loved, he was like both ideas that ninjaturtlefan mentioned he must be like this and be the genius someone else mentioned, he must have motives and reasons he isnt insane in the same way the joker is and must fight batman and not just get beaten like the scarecrow was he must uses trips that are clever like a simply electric shock device nothin flashy just practical, he should send Batman on a chase and be a 4D villian and I would really love him to be in the Franchise probably in the third one with Two face so we have had by the end of the 3rd film

Ra's al Ghul, scarecrow, carmine falconie, Joker, Pengiun, Two Face and Riddler with several reoccuring like scarecrow should be back for the second but with a sod off sythe or Joker in too and three but I cant wait for the Riddler who after that one version of him as become one of my favourite Batman villains- ps saw two violent for him in my opinion he should just be get the job done thats it like gas or quick death nothin like ya head in a vice thats about to take ya head off- bombs are good ideas cause more distruption than anythin else

[Two-Face]

I like look of TAS Riddler:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/riddler/05.jpg



It only has one question mark on his tie unlike Batman Forever....

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I like look of TAS Riddler:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/riddler/05.jpg



It only has one question mark on his tie unlike Batman Forever....

The perfect Riddler and I'm still pushing for David Hyde Pierce to play him. He looks so much like him it's scary.

[thedarks0ldier]

If they were to make a fourth movie it should be like HUSH

[CConn]

I don't know if I'd want Hush itself to be adapted, but yeah, if Riddler's in a movie, he should play very much the same role he did in Hush; the cool, calculating manipulator behind the scenes.

[Spider-Kurt!]

David Hyde Pierce is perfect for my version of the Riddler. Jude Law and Ed Norton would work great as well.

[Chris Wallace]

I'd want him to be a thief at first. I'd want him along the lines of Simon in Die Hard 3. I would want him to see Batman as someone whose intellect is possibly on par w/his own & obsess about proving himself Batman's superior, thus playing sick games w/him like Keanu in The Watcher. i wouldn't mind seeing Quiz & Query.
And no freakin' jumpsuit!

[Chris Wallace]

The following are what I find to be acceptable locations for question marks:
Hat band
Tie
Cufflinks
Gloves (maybe)
That's about it.

[Iglius]

Suit getup, much like the (I believe) Lee illustratoin above.

Played by Paul Giamatti.

[Iglius]

Suit getup, much like the (I believe) Lee illustration above.

Played by Paul Giamatti.

[Iglius]

Suit getup, much like the (I believe) Lee illustration above.

Played by Paul Giamatti.

[Iglius]

Edit: Dear God, so sorry about that.

[Bathead]

I also like the green suit with purple trim. Derby, Question mark tie-pin and cane are a must.

[catintheengine]

Oh, I saw someone up above beat me to it.

I've seen a lot of people saying that Bettany should have been cast as Joker, but I could see him as more of the Riddler. Giamatti was also a great choice.

Also, and I know I'm going to get ripped apart for this, but why not Steve Carell? I think it would be a great way to show some acting chops outside of silly comedy. I could definettly see Carell playing a slighty maniacal Nigma, who's just a few cards short of a deck, yet still intelligent.

[thedarks0ldier]

Edit: Dear God, so sorry about that.FINISH HIM!!!!!

[7Hells]

Edward Norton would be great.
omg he would be perfect.
Definately watch Primal Fear Two Face!
Paul Giamatti would be good but I'm a firm believer in sexy villians :p

[Chris Wallace]

I like Ed Norton, I'm not opposed to the idea of him playing Nygma.

[Doc Crane]

http://www3.telus.net/seaviewgraphics/batman_1.html

http://www3.telus.net/seaviewgraphics/poster_14.jpg

[Ceb-Man]

If the Riddler was in a Batman Begins sequel this is how I would want him to be:

Some people mentioned that they liked the idea of the Riddler being like the villains from "Saw" and "Se7en". I really like those ideas. I think that having the Riddler would be a good chance to do a mystery/who done it, story. Everybody knows that the Riddler is Edward Nigma, so they should never actually show you who Edward Nigma is. Instead, they should show you Edward Nigma sometime in the movie (maybe, meeting Bruce Wayne), but not let you know that it's him. They should unravel the mystery at the end of the movie, finally revealing who the Riddler is.

I also think that the Riddler should be lethal, like the villains in "Saw" and "Se7en", and that there should be a Riddle next to all of his victims. Unlike the Joker, though, his murders should have meaning and purpose behind them (revenge?). He shouldn't kill people at random, or just for the fun of it.

So what do you think?
I like this. I want him to be very intelligent and egotistical as well. I would like him to be close to Bruce's age.

[Chris Wallace]

If he's killing for revenge, it should be b/c somebody screwed him over. Like in TAS when he wanted to kill that CEO for squeezing him out of his royalties.

[Cyrusbales]

Someone please do some manips? That would be awesome!

[batlovescatDC]

I want him to be much more serious than the freakin' horrible Jim Carrey version in B.F. or B.S. as I like to call it. Much more serious. I would love it if he planeted bombs all underneath Gotham and but Batman and the G.C.P.D. to the test to solve riddles or the major buildings will be blown up. I like the idea of a kind of Dennis Hopper from Speed idea... do something a specific way or DIE. And I want Billy Crudup to play him.

[Superman Prime]

Someone please do some manips? That would be awesome!

Doing Riddler manips will be more complicated than the ones we have been doing with Ledger/Joker.

For one thing, the hat will probably have to be made from scratch. Since whoever is going to play the Riddler probably hasn't walked around in such a hat until the Riddler role is given to him. Know what I mean? We usually go off production photos of the certain actor for the manips.

[Chris Wallace]

Ever seen Die Hard 3? The whole idea is taken.

[Cyrusbales]

Doing Riddler manips will be more complicated than the ones we have been doing with Ledger/Joker.

For one thing, the hat will probably have to be made from scratch. Since whoever is going to play the Riddler probably hasn't walked around in such a hat until the Riddler role is given to him. Know what I mean? We usually go off production photos of the certain actor for the manips.

but i've seen some good manips from scratch here, harley quinne remains the all time greatest manip on here!

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, I saw someone up above beat me to it.

I've seen a lot of people saying that Bettany should have been cast as Joker, but I could see him as more of the Riddler. Giamatti was also a great choice.

Also, and I know I'm going to get ripped apart for this, but why not Steve Carell? I think it would be a great way to show some acting chops outside of silly comedy. I could definettly see Carell playing a slighty maniacal Nigma, who's just a few cards short of a deck, yet still intelligent.
I don't see Carell. Sorry.

[Invisiboy]

Riddler never killed in the comics. Because he knew that he would be caught, he didn't think it was worth it. But I would like to see something resembling TAS in the suit and intelligence. While I don't think Carrey was so bad, since he's unpopular, my next choice would be Kelsey Grammer (Paul Giamatti is Hatter).

[Top_Hatter]

My idea is plain and simple: Edward Nygma is a master criminal with a superiority factor; his enormous IQ causes him to believe everyone else on the planet is his intellectual inferior. He cracks codes and passwords and such then steals valuable items and/or information that he sells to the highest bidder, whether it's a pearl necklace or global defence missile codes, he just gets what he can trade for money. As for appearance I'm reckoning the Jim Lee look from Hush, and maybe played by Alessandro Nivola.

[COMPO]

i think riddler should find out Batman's secret identity. And Batman tricks him inot not telling anyone, like he did in the comics by syaing: "what good's a riddle if everyone knows the answer?"

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe.

[Muze]

I like this. I want him to be very intelligent and egotistical as well. I would like him to be close to Bruce's age.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2879/Events/2879/HughDancy_Vespa_4529420_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Dancy,%20Hugh

intelligent-looking - check (he's actually Oxford-educated)

egotistical-looking - check

close to Bruce's age - check


i think the Riddler should be a pampered rich kid who lends his brain power to criminal enterprise out of boredom/for the challenge. maybe the crimes would, at first glance, be random but always add up to a bigger picture. and he would leave the riddles, of course. i just think they should play him sort of like Dorian Gray from League of Extraordinary Gentleman. i think Hugh could pull it off, effortlessly. plus, i think he'd look good opposite Bale. that said, i don't think the Riddler should be the main villain; much like Scarecrow wasn't. oh and he would deduce Batman's secret identity halfway through and that's when the crimes would start to become a message to Bruce and Batman.

[Bad Superman]

If the Riddler was in a Batman Begins sequel this is how I would want him to be:

Some people mentioned that they liked the idea of the Riddler being like the villains from "Saw" and "Se7en". I really like those ideas. I think that having the Riddler would be a good chance to do a mystery/who done it, story. Everybody knows that the Riddler is Edward Nigma, so they should never actually show you who Edward Nigma is. Instead, they should show you Edward Nigma sometime in the movie (maybe, meeting Bruce Wayne), but not let you know that it's him. They should unravel the mystery at the end of the movie, finally revealing who the Riddler is.

I also think that the Riddler should be lethal, like the villains in "Saw" and "Se7en", and that there should be a Riddle next to all of his victims. Unlike the Joker, though, his murders should have meaning and purpose behind them (revenge?). He shouldn't kill people at random, or just for the fun of it.

So what do you think?

It's a good twist although I would have a hard time believing a guy with that state of mind would wear the classic riddler (?'s) outfit. We need to see him.

[batman7289]

If the Riddler was in a Batman Begins sequel this is how I would want him to be:

Some people mentioned that they liked the idea of the Riddler being like the villains from "Saw" and "Se7en". I really like those ideas. I think that having the Riddler would be a good chance to do a mystery/who done it, story. Everybody knows that the Riddler is Edward Nigma, so they should never actually show you who Edward Nigma is. Instead, they should show you Edward Nigma sometime in the movie (maybe, meeting Bruce Wayne), but not let you know that it's him. They should unravel the mystery at the end of the movie, finally revealing who the Riddler is.

I also think that the Riddler should be lethal, like the villains in "Saw" and "Se7en", and that there should be a Riddle next to all of his victims. Unlike the Joker, though, his murders should have meaning and purpose behind them (revenge?). He shouldn't kill people at random, or just for the fun of it.

So what do you think?

nice

[Life_is_Fatal]

Not that I want to see the Riddler make an appearance in Nolan's movies at this point, but if he ever did I would love to see him portrayed how he was in Batman #452-454 (in which he actually did kill!) Here's what I mean:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5502/batman45208am0.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/749/batman45320on5.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3667/batman45322ce4.jpg

Personally, him being more serious is a lot scarier than how people seem to know him, and if they did it in the vein of Seven or Saw I think it'd be great.

[Hades]

I like look of TAS Riddler:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/riddler/05.jpg



It only has one question mark on his tie unlike Batman Forever....
I agree, except I think his suit should be all black, and he should wear sunglasses instead of those little dinky masks. Bright green is too campy.

[Invisiboy]

opinion change: If it's scary you want, then instead of a serial killer (which would seem a tad Carrey-ish on screen), how about a surprise villain? On the outside, he's a well-behaved, Oxford-educated young adult, but he has a psychopath side that you don't see until it's too late. It's how all the villains should be played in the franchise because it makes even Mickey Mouse seem evil.

[cryptic name]

in what way does serial killer make you think of jim carrey?

[El Payaso]

in what way does serial killer make you think of jim carrey?

Maybe a serial killer could kill him?

[TKing]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/20/b0th.jpg

I wouldn't mind seeing a more gothic-Riddler. But I would prefer seeing him in black than green, in keeping with Nolan's darker series.

[Invisiboy]

Originally posted by cryptic name
in what way does serial killer make you think of jim carrey?

I should have been more specific. I was referring to Carrey's stalker approach to the Riddler in Forever. "Carrey-ish" just means that it would probably end up being like that on screen.

[ross2287]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/20/b0th.jpg

I wouldn't mind seeing a more gothic-Riddler. But I would prefer seeing him in black than green, in keeping with Nolan's darker series.


Sorry, I don't want to see that Riddler anywhere on film. I do like other ideas I've heard on here (i.e. the Saw angle).
As far as actors, I've always thought Hugh Laurie or Tony Shalhoub.
To the poster that mentioned Paul Giamatti, I see him as more of a Penguin than Riddler. Good idea though.

Oh, PS: I'm new. :yay:

[NinjaTurtleFan]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/20/b0th.jpg

I wouldn't mind seeing a more gothic-Riddler. But I would prefer seeing him in black than green, in keeping with Nolan's darker series.

I HATE THAT RIDDLER! He looks like The Crow.

These are The Riddler...

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h94/ConservativeCole/hush_riddler.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h94/ConservativeCole/C2517.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h94/ConservativeCole/300px-Animated_Riddler.jpg

[Superman Prime]

Did you know John Englund, the actor that plays Freddy Krueger from the famous NMOES, provides the voice for the animated Riddler on "The Batman"?

Weeelllll, now you do.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Did you know John Englund, the actor that plays Freddy Krueger from the famous NMOES, provides the voice for the animated Riddler on "The Batman"?

Weeelllll, now you do.

I thought it was Robert Englund, not John.

[Lots o lafs]

try a combination

[batboy99]

This idea I like best.
We don't need a jumpsuit but I would like suit version of his costume.
http://www.woofofsteel.com/woof_blog/archives/Riddler-thumb.jpgthat is the look that i want

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I agree, except I think his suit should be all black, and he should wear sunglasses instead of those little dinky masks. Bright green is too campy.

He doesn't have to have a bright lime green suit. He can have a very dark forest green suit and the whole works. Just the way you're describing to me sounds like Clock King. I mean because I always invisioned if Clock King were ever brought in (I have no fricking clue why) he'd just wear a black suit, black tie, and dark framed sunglasses with a large pocket watch dangling out of his pocket.

[batman7289]

the riddler in btfe was horrible any thing is better than carey's version.
DAMN THAT SCHUMACKER (SPELLING ERROE)

[Tempest19]

Go back to when Batman Forever was first going to be made.... Robin Williams. I have heard news reports and rumors that he seriously wanted to be in a Batman film and play a villain. And was originally 'casted' to be The Riddler.

Might be too old now, but yet again- he was a force to be reckoned with even for Al Pacino in 'Insomnia'. William's first dark and very serious role in a film that was directed by Christopher Nolan. Nolan knows how to direct a serious Williams.

Williams is able to pull off those dark and creepy undertones. He isn't someone you'd naturally expect to be the Riddler. Also would probably be able to pull of the sadism, yet serious, tone that the Riddler would need- seeing those comic pages from above.

As I said though, might be better suited for another villain.... like maybe the Ventriliquist? That would definitely be creepy as hell.

Anyways, second choice would be Edward Norton. Great actor, looks to be around the same age as Riddler in those pics, and can definitely play sadism- forgot the name of the film, but when he played an altar boy/ killer.... that was creepy. Just, see Norton as another great fit for the Riddler.

[Chris Wallace]

Robin is too old now, & I would have liked to see him in the role back in the day; around the same time I would've liked to see Jeff Goldblum as Scarecrow.

[El Payaso]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/20/b0th.jpg
http://butterflydeath.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/Marilyn%20Manson%20(a%20preto%20e%20branco).jpg

[GL1]

Hmmm, I have a few requests. The basics of the riddler are that he is a super-genious who gives out riddles. Lets go with that:

1) Geniouses in real life tend to make good money, have great jobs and are upper class. Riddler Begins should be no exception... no carnival computer programmer/goth/useless eccentric here. Let the man be successful. That means suits.

2) Let Green & Purple go the way of Batman's Blue and Gray. While G&P is fine for the comics, we can do better, more realistic, more practical and more effective costuming for the movie. He has a suit. Let him start out with the Question-mark Cane, the Green Tie, smooth thin shades and a bowler hat. If he has multiple scenes he can graduate to a green suit with black highlights. I don't care how classic it is, you can't convince me that a super-genious can't figure out that Green and Purple don't go together, or that they somehow look good, or... yeah. Don't force stuff like that, let it flow out of the story.

3) A mystery storyline, obviously. It's time... we need to establish that Batman is also the World's greatest detective, and not just a ninja reject.

4) Killing or not? Let it depend on the storyline, without focusing too much on the victims (ala Saw), we shoudl establish that they could have survived if they had solved the riddle. I think Riddler should be a deadly adversary, but never doing the deed himself. It should all be calculations to him, perhaps he even is remorseful of killing, but to make him unwilling to do it would weaken the villain aspect of his character. You'd be foreshadowing a Riddler-Batman team up.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Hmmm, I have a few requests. The basics of the riddler are that he is a super-genious who gives out riddles. Lets go with that:

1) Geniouses in real life tend to make good money, have great jobs and are upper class. Riddler Begins should be no exception... no carnival computer programmer/goth/useless eccentric here. Let the man be successful. That means suits.

2) Let Green & Purple go the way of Batman's Blue and Gray. While G&P is fine for the comics, we can do better, more realistic, more practical and more effective costuming for the movie. He has a suit. Let him start out with the Question-mark Cane, the Green Tie, smooth thin shades and a bowler hat. If he has multiple scenes he can graduate to a green suit with black highlights. I don't care how classic it is, you can't convince me that a super-genious can't figure out that Green and Purple don't go together, or that they somehow look good, or... yeah. Don't force stuff like that, let it flow out of the story.

3) A mystery storyline, obviously. It's time... we need to establish that Batman is also the World's greatest detective, and not just a ninja reject.

4) Killing or not? Let it depend on the storyline, without focusing too much on the victims (ala Saw), we shoudl establish that they could have survived if they had solved the riddle. I think Riddler should be a deadly adversary, but never doing the deed himself. It should all be calculations to him, perhaps he even is remorseful of killing, but to make him unwilling to do it would weaken the villain aspect of his character. You'd be foreshadowing a Riddler-Batman team up.

I like it. I really hope they either go the madbomber route ala "SPEED" or "Die Hard With A Vengeance" or the enigmatic, inscrutable, deadly aversary like Jigsaw who sets up traps and puzzles that people have to get their way out of. Of course Batman will be the one who always is one step ahead of the Riddler, but I agree we need to see Batman do some detective work and show why he is good at what he does. Not just some reject ninja who wears a Bat-costume and inflicts fear into the hearts of men.

[Chris Wallace]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/20/b0th.jpg
http://butterflydeath.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/Marilyn%20Manson%20(a%20preto%20e%20branco).jpg
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[NinjaTurtleFan]

:down

I'm with you Chris.