I found a LEGITIMATE plot hole.

[Castlewood]

If a multi-billionaire is having a birthday party, is it possible for you or I to just show up?

Is it possible that there is a LIST of guests for this party?

If you're not on the list, wouldn't it be IMPOSSIBLE to get into the party?

You can't just WALK IN on a multi-billionaire's party. The chances of this happening are like you or me walking into the WHITE HOUSE....or, Donald Trump's house.

If you're not INVITED to a party, and if you're not on the GUEST LIST, you simply can't go to the party. PERIOD.

If I were to go to Wayne Manor, woudn't there be GUARDS there? Wouldn't there be guards who had a GUEST LIST, who, if they discovered your name was NOT on the list, would not permit you to enter Wayne Manor?

Isn't it highly UNLIKELY that Bruce Wayne's birthday party was open to the public? Isn't it unlikely that ANYBODY off the street could just waltz into Wayne Manor with a few friends?

And so, I ask you with much confusion, HOW DID RA'S AL GHUL AND HIS HENCHMEN GET IN?!?

[fabman]

It's NOT SAID there was a straight guest list so that's no plot hole ;)

[Excel]

obvi they murdered whoever had the list n just went in

[wiegeabo]

He's Ras. He's so powerful could probably just have himself put on the list.

Or, more likely, have the real guards removed and replaced with his own men to keep up appearences.

[The Sage]

Because he's F'n Ra's Al Ghul. This guy can sneak into Batcave undetected. Crashing a birthday party is a cakewalk for him.

[Mee]

He's Ra's Al Gul and his men were ninjas, they could've gotten in easy.

[XCharlieX]

He's Ras. He's so powerful could probably just have himself put on the list.

Exactly. That dude has so much strings to pull.

BTW, what did that guy say that impressed that woman enough for her to drag Bruce over to Ras? I wonder heh

[zer00]

So...you're going out of your way to look for a "plot hole"

I pray you atleast have a job.

[Bathead]

It would have been easy for him to finagle his way in. Don't forget, the League Of Shadows had people in place in all the highest levels of Gotham society. He may have had some even in Wayne Enterprises. Ra's could have been an invitee's guest, (perhaps the lady that introduced him), he could have bribed someone, there are any number of ways. Ther is no plothole.

[Two-Face]

Because he's F'n Ra's Al Ghul. This guy can sneak into Batcave undetected. Crashing a birthday party is a cakewalk for him.


Ra's did get into Batcave in the comics.

[PWN3R]

If a multi-billionaire is having a birthday party, is it possible for you or I to just show up?

Is it possible that there is a LIST of guests for this party?

If you're not on the list, wouldn't it be IMPOSSIBLE to get into the party?

You can't just WALK IN on a multi-billionaire's party. The chances of this happening are like you or me walking into the WHITE HOUSE....or, Donald Trump's house.

If you're not INVITED to a party, and if you're not on the GUEST LIST, you simply can't go to the party. PERIOD.

If I were to go to Wayne Manor, woudn't there be GUARDS there? Wouldn't there be guards who had a GUEST LIST, who, if they discovered your name was NOT on the list, would not permit you to enter Wayne Manor?

Isn't it highly UNLIKELY that Bruce Wayne's birthday party was open to the public? Isn't it unlikely that ANYBODY off the street could just waltz into Wayne Manor with a few friends?

And so, I ask you with much confusion, HOW DID RA'S AL GHUL AND HIS HENCHMEN GET IN?!?

1. He( Ra Al Ghul) already said they had infiltrated places high up, you know pretty much everywhere in society.

2. They are freakin NINJAS!

3. Hello? Ninja....

[The Kid]

He did that naruto thing where he turns into a cloud and dissapears, then reapears inside the mansion.

[Everyman]

Maybe they didn't have a list, just a dressing code, and Ra's was dressed smart enough to get in. No seriously, sneaking into a birthday party should not be so difficult for the League of Shadows.

[Dark Sentinel]

Ra's al Ghul said, and I quote:

"You are defending a city so corrupt we have infiltrated every level of its infrastructure."

end quote, case closed. thank you... thank you

[XCharlieX]

lol here here.

Oh yeah... and how he was able to slip into that Chinese prison at the beginning shows he has international power also. Its all about fear. Long ago the league grew in size and began placing folks high up in society. Now theyve gotten so much up there, people are afraid to even say his name at risk of your friendly police officer or government agent taking you out. Thats power.

A Birthday party? pfft.

[chintai80]

lol here here.

Oh yeah... and how he was able to slip into that Chinese prison at the beginning shows he has international power also. Its all about fear. Long ago the league grew in size and began placing folks high up in society. Now theyve gotten so much up there, people are afraid to even say his name at risk of your friendly police officer or government agent taking you out. Thats power.

A Birthday party? pfft.

And then he got ownzed by Batman at the end of Begins. And now everyone will know about and fear The Friggin' Batman.

[JTStarkiller]

If a multi-billionaire is having a birthday party, is it possible for you or I to just show up?

Is it possible that there is a LIST of guests for this party?

If you're not on the list, wouldn't it be IMPOSSIBLE to get into the party?

You can't just WALK IN on a multi-billionaire's party. The chances of this happening are like you or me walking into the WHITE HOUSE....or, Donald Trump's house.

If you're not INVITED to a party, and if you're not on the GUEST LIST, you simply can't go to the party. PERIOD.

If I were to go to Wayne Manor, woudn't there be GUARDS there? Wouldn't there be guards who had a GUEST LIST, who, if they discovered your name was NOT on the list, would not permit you to enter Wayne Manor?

Isn't it highly UNLIKELY that Bruce Wayne's birthday party was open to the public? Isn't it unlikely that ANYBODY off the street could just waltz into Wayne Manor with a few friends?

And so, I ask you with much confusion, HOW DID RA'S AL GHUL AND HIS HENCHMEN GET IN?!?

Lame. Come back when you have something substantial.

[DA Harvey Dent]

Playboys and socialites have no idea what's going on with their parties. They hire planners to deal with all the crap like catering, invites, etc. Ra's would have dealt with the planner, not Wayne. He could have easily gotten himself on the list without Bruce even knowing.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nice try.....but, no. Not a plot hole.

Keep looking though. Ah....like the mad man searching for that enchancted chocolate factory, it consumes his life really......

[Comic Book Boy]

He's Ras. He's so powerful could probably just have himself put on the list.

Or, more likely, have the real guards removed and replaced with his own men to keep up appearences.
You can see some of his thugs dressed as waiters and such. His thugs probably let him in.

Also that lady knew him from somewhere :)

[Comic Book Boy]

A REAL plot hole is the whole microwave emitter thing. If the chemicals were in the water for weeks, than ANYONE who had steam from water would have gone crazy. Anyone who took a shower. Cooked. It doesn't make sense.

[PWN3R]

Ra's al Ghul said, and I quote:

"You are defending a city so corrupt we have infiltrated every level of its infrastructure."

end quote, case closed. thank you... thank you

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[DeGenerate10]

Maybe kill them?

[heypapajinx]

i agree, whoever WAS watching the doors just saw them and saw that they were minorities and assumed they were the help. so of course they let them in, i mean, who else is going to wash all those dishes and serve all those baby quiches and such? certainly not whitey!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

A REAL plot hole is the whole microwave emitter thing. If the chemicals were in the water for weeks, than ANYONE who had steam from water would have gone crazy. Anyone who took a shower. Cooked. It doesn't make sense.


Well, seeing as how the Fear Gas isn't real.....one could say that it takes a certain amount of the gas to be evaporated to have it's full affect.

Hell, people were probably being affected without even know, getting paranoid effects and such. But, we don't have any said number on how much needs to be evaporated, and how much of the dosage needs to be added for the full effects. It just seems like something so technical, that I think we could kinda imagine for ourselves there.

agree, whoever WAS watching the doors just saw them and saw that they were minorities and assumed they were the help. so of course they let them in, i mean, who else is going to wash all those dishes and serve all those baby quiches and such? certainly not whitey!

Speaking of sterotypical borderline racism. How many people do you think actually thought that the NEW Ubu was actuall Wantanbe? I've seen a few of those on these boards.

People need glasses. Really.

[Riven]

Speaking of sterotypical borderline racism. How many people do you think actually thought that the NEW Ubu was actuall Wantanbe? I've seen a few of those on these boards.

People need glasses. Really.
I actually read somewhere on the internet, this guy thought the Asian-American cop who tells Gordon the bad guys had been dumping fear toxin in the watermain for weeks was "Ra's" too, in "disguise".

Some people are so dumb they'd assume EVERY bald asian man who shows up in a film is the same guy. :rolleyes:

[thedarks0ldier]

Legitimate answers for a so called legitimate plot hole.

[BatJeff7786]

A REAL plot hole is the whole microwave emitter thing. If the chemicals were in the water for weeks, than ANYONE who had steam from water would have gone crazy. Anyone who took a shower. Cooked. It doesn't make sense.That's the one. But I think we can let it slide. If you think about it, every comic book movie has a rediculous plot. Which is why I wonder that so many people gave Lex Luthor's plot in Superman Returns so much crap.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's the one. But I think we can let it slide. If you think about it, every comic book movie has a rediculous plot. Which is why I wonder that so many people gave Lex Luthor's plot in Superman Returns so much crap.



Well, seeing as how the Fear Gas isn't real.....one could say that it takes a certain amount of the gas to be evaporated to have it's full affect.

Hell, people were probably being affected without even know, getting paranoid effects and such. But, we don't have any said number on how much needs to be evaporated, and how much of the dosage needs to be added for the full effects. It just seems like something so technical, that I think we could kinda imagine for ourselves there.

[Bathead]

For all we know there could have been lots of people freaking out in Gotham the previous weeks, it just wasn't known the fear gas was the cause. That, and a few other reasons are why the emitter/fear gas plot wasn't a problem for me.

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

You don't remember saying "we've infultrated every fabric of Gotham society." His guards got jobs at Arkham, on the police force. I'm sure they could be business men with the connections to get in to a stupid party.

and did I mention.....HE'S FREAKING RA'S AL GHUL!!!!!