The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[Manic]

I don't remember what it was about Batgirl Year One, but somewhere in there, it gave me the impression Babs was older than Dick.

[trustyside-kick]

Babs is like 1-2 years older than Dick. Three wouldn't surprise me. But I'd say 2 with a 90% chance of being sure.

[Mister J]

I was of the mind that Babs had him by 2-3 years as well. I can't pinpoint it, but I've seen it referenced before.

[Ibn]

I was just watching superfriends. Is Black Condor - Black Lightning?

How old is Superman?

Is there a Darkseid origin book?

[Harlekin]

Superman is 36-38ish. Bruce is three years older than him.

[Kebab gud]

Superman is 30 and will ALWAYS be 30 :P

and Black Vulcan is Black Lightning

[Harlekin]

Yeah, no.

He was established as around 35ish before OYL hit.

[Kebab gud]

he has always been 30 and will always be 30 ... thats just the way it is! :P

[Anubis]

In your diseased little head I suppose.

[Kitsune]

Superman is 30 and will ALWAYS be 30 :P

and Black Vulcan is Black Lightning
Are you sure? I thought it was Black Lightning is Black Vulcan

[Silicon Surfer]

Traditionally Superman and Batman were the same age and their ages were frozen at 29.

[Ibn]

Superman is 36-38ish. Bruce is three years older than him.


Damn. He needs to get to work on Lois then. Get some super kids goin.

[Artistsean]

Superman already seems like a father figure, I wouldn't mind him and Lois having a kid.


I have been hearing Superman's origin and Superman himself have been changed alot lately.
Can someone maybe give me a quick description or run down of the changes or where his origin and stuff is right now?

[Anubis]

As of right now, as always. Krypton Blew up, his parents put him on a rocket, he landed on Earth, a couple took him in and raised him. Superman.

What they've added to the unimportant parts, he was a member of the Legion of Superheroes. He ran around saving people as a teen, but not in costume. More like a Smallville sorta thing. He and Lex went to High school together.

[Phenomenal]

Hi, I have a question.

In Superman Action Comics#841, How did Superman destroy the "pacifier" and the acquisition unit?

[Prognosticator]

I have a question. Why didn't I realize how much Busiek's fill-in issues of Superman suck?! :huh:

I was reading one over the weekend from April maybe, it featured Wonder Woman and Lois tracking down a 'defeatedly drunk' Superman after he was "captured" by an immortal woman that popped up in an art exibit....WHA?!?

It was straight CAMP, right out of the golden age! :down

[Mladen]

Question: Has it ever been adressed how Superman shaves his beard or cuts his indestructible hair (let alone toe-nails etc?). Maybe it doesn't grow at all, but his hairlength changed a couple of times before, and I remember at least one issue where he looked pretty shaggy after being stranded someplace...
I've heard people suggest he uses krytonite-laced trimming scissors to do the job, but have any of the comics ever given an answer?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the most recent explanation is that he reflects his heat vision off the mirror and zaps it off.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, the heat vision and mirror is what I heard too.

[Tropico]

Thirded. I know that's how it is for shaving, haven't actually seen what he does to keep his hair cut. With the return of all these Silver Age elements I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Fortress of Solitude robots does it with some kind of fancy tech.

[trustyside-kick]

Why isn't Ocean Master used more often outside of Aquaman stories? The dude is a magic user, and he isn't bound to the sea like some of his other villains are.

I need to re-read his latest appearance, because he wasn't wielding his staff I think, but his staff is what allows him to breathe underwater. So he doesn't suffer the dehydration Aquaman does.

And then him being half-Atlantean allows him to endure the depths of the ocean.

I mean, when it comes to magic-user villains, there is so much potential. Why is this never explored with Ocean Master?

[TheCorpulent1]

Same reason 90% of the modern JLA stories leave Aquaman out, even though fans consider him one of the big seven. Nobody takes Aquaman and, by extension, his villains seriously.
Thirded. I know that's how it is for shaving, haven't actually seen what he does to keep his hair cut. With the return of all these Silver Age elements I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Fortress of Solitude robots does it with some kind of fancy tech.
He pops into the barber shop in Kandor. ;)

Actually, that would be kind of cool...

[Dr. Fate]

Is the Emperor Joker storyline worth reading?

[Fledermaus]

Yes.

[ddm92392]

Who do you think has more problems Joker or Batman

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Batman, easily. The Joker knows what he is and does not try to change that.

[trustyside-kick]

If the GL ring is supposed to be the most powerful weapon in the universe, why doesn't that make GL's like Hal or Alan (who have a lot of experience with the whole will-power thing) more powerful than Supes?

[Darthphere]

Simply put, you can make the greatest weapon imaginable, but it's still handled by human hands. Superman is the weapon, therefore, is a force of nature.

Force of nature > Most powerful weapon

[trustyside-kick]

I found this picture via the infamous Google:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/dhunter22/JuniorJLA1.jpg

What arc/title/run/TPB did that occur? Reminds me of the Timmverse JLU episode "Kid Stuff". Looking at the characters and designs, obviously this is where they got the idea from.

[Darthphere]

Looks like Morrison era JLA, possibly Kelly. Not sure.

[Tropico]

Sins of Youth. (http://www.amazon.com/Young-Justice-Youth-Peter-David/dp/1563897482)

[LexCorp]

That is cool

[BrianWilly]

There are people in existence who never read Sins of Youth? You all receive an epic fail and a
http://userpic.livejournal.com/57190132/11861777
from manga Kyle.

[yenaled]

Sins of Youth is excellent.

[TheCorpulent1]

If the GL ring is supposed to be the most powerful weapon in the universe, why doesn't that make GL's like Hal or Alan (who have a lot of experience with the whole will-power thing) more powerful than Supes?
Simply put, you can make the greatest weapon imaginable, but it's still handled by human hands. Superman is the weapon, therefore, is a force of nature.

Force of nature > Most powerful weapon
Yep, internal power always beats a weapon. Plus, remember that GL rings are very closely tied to the wearer's willpower. Hal might be able to meet Superman in combat, but if he falters even a little, Superman takes him because, again, Hal's channeling willpower through an external weapon to make things that can stand up to Superman while Superman is just being Superman. Even if Superman completely loses confidence during their fight, he'll still be nearly invincible and able to dropkick a skyscraper into orbit.

Alan, on the other hand, is powered by the Starheart, which is a mass of wild magic. Superman's very susceptible to magic. Alan would totally pwn Superman. Unless Superman had some wood handy, since Johns was a giant douchebag and decided to bring back Alan's weakness to it for no apparent reason. But I'm not bitter.

[trustyside-kick]

When did Johns bring back the Wood weakness?

[TheCorpulent1]

In JSA. The last time I heard any mention of the wood weakness before that was in The Final Night, where Alan specifically mentions he no longer has it.

[BrianWilly]

I'm not sure Alan's power on the surface would affect Superman any differently than any of the GL Corps'. If he tried to do something clever and mystical and rules-bending, perhaps, but for all intents and purposes a Starheart-created boxing glove is not going to hurt Superman any more than an Central Power Battery boxing glove.

With that said, however, I'm of the mind that every single GL has the potential to overpower Superman, and both Alan and Kyle at least have shown that kind of power in the past. Present continuity Superman, even at his most cosmic planet-pushing levels, has certainly never contained a Big Bang (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4687/supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg) before.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Kyle rocked there.

Alan used to be great but he's sucked lately. He apparently wants to retain his humanity so bad that he's made himself into a useless pussy. He seems to be roughly on the same level as the newer, weaker Corps GLs. I keep wishing that he'll rejoin Checkmate as a Knight and show the rest of the Knights how to kick ass without casualties.

As for the magic thing, Superman's weakness has been portrayed as both a weakness to anything magic-powered and a weakness to spells that bend reality and thus override his physics-based powers with it. It varies in its portrayal from writer to writer and comic to comic.

[trustyside-kick]

In JSA.

In the latest JSA series? Or one of the series before?

[BrianWilly]

I truly despise (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=10802423&#post10802423) the whole "any magic hurts Superman, period" mentality with the fires of a million burning babies and psychologically block it from all my synapses. It makes no sense and isn't even that supported by canon, whereas there are actually lots of instances of magical effects not indiscriminately castrating Superman right off the bat. The Starheart doesn't emit some sort of anti-Kryptonian energy or whatever; it shouldn't effect Superman any differently than how it effects Hawkman.

Current-continuity Busiek Superman actually had an issue that specifically addresses this; magic is not universally harmful to him, just ones that are specifically harmful to him. As with everyone else.

[Miss Webb]

When did Johns bring back the Wood weakness?

Hard to say...ALan's character is all over the place, like his powers. Too many creative teams and no continuity. It just suddenly reappeared shortly before he returned to the JSA. No one knows how or why.

[Darthphere]

Current-continuity Busiek Superman actually had an issue that specifically addresses this; magic is not universally harmful to him, just ones that are specifically harmful to him. As with everyone else.

Busiek is awesome like that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I truly despise (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=10802423&#post10802423) the whole "any magic hurts Superman, period" mentality with the fires of a million burning babies and psychologically block it from all my synapses. It makes no sense and isn't even that supported by canon, whereas there are actually lots of instances of magical effects not indiscriminately castrating Superman right off the bat. The Starheart doesn't emit some sort of anti-Kryptonian energy or whatever; it shouldn't effect Superman any differently than how it effects Hawkman.

Current-continuity Busiek Superman actually had an issue that specifically addresses this; magic is not universally harmful to him, just ones that are specifically harmful to him. As with everyone else.
Okay, then post-IC it's just magic specifically directed at Superman, which I preferred anyway. Pre-IC and post-Crisis, however, there was at least one instance of magic hurting Superman simply because it was magic. In JLA, Captain Marvel knocks Superman out and specifically says his magic helped him do so.
In the latest JSA series? Or one of the series before?
Not the current Justice Society of America series. The previous one, where it was titled with the initials "JSA." When that series started, Alan had mysteriously regained his wood weakness with no explanation whatsoever (which probably means the "explanation" is that Johns and Goyer didn't know or care that Alan had lost his wood weakness).

[BrianWilly]

Okay, then post-IC it's just magic specifically directed at Superman, which I preferred anyway. Pre-IC and post-Crisis, however, there was at least one instance of magic hurting Superman simply because it was magic. In JLA, Captain Marvel knocks Superman out and specifically says his magic helped him do so.I believe Johns made it so the Marvels can channel their lightning straight through their fists now. It's obviously not what the JLA writer (Morrison?) intended, but it's my own private explanation to allow me to sleep at night.

JLA and other team books is great for a lot of great character moments, but it's tragically almost always the first place you'd find character inconsistencies.

[trustyside-kick]

Not the current Justice Society of America series. The previous one, where it was titled with the initials "JSA." When that series started, Alan had mysteriously regained his wood weakness with no explanation whatsoever (which probably means the "explanation" is that Johns and Goyer didn't know or care that Alan had lost his wood weakness).

How did he lose the wood weakness in the first place?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. I tried researching it one time, and I think it may have tied into Zero Hour somehow, but I never found anything conclusive.
I believe Johns made it so the Marvels can channel their lightning straight through their fists now. It's obviously not what the JLA writer (Morrison?) intended, but it's my own private explanation to allow me to sleep at night.

JLA and other team books is great for a lot of great character moments, but it's tragically almost always the first place you'd find character inconsistencies.
Believe me, as a Thor fan who's witnessed pathetic showing after pathetic showing in Avengers, I can say with gusto that you're preaching to the choir.

As for the lightning-in-the-fists thing, isn't that still just using random energy that happens to be magical to hurt Superman? It's not specifically meant to hurt Superman or anything, so how is it different from Alan hurting Supes with a construct made of mystical Starheart energy? :confused:

[BrianWilly]

Well, the Shazam lightning has been known to do more than just transform people or hurt them; it sometimes heals, it stops other magic or strengthens it like mystical fuel, or some other random stuff as the plotwizard requires. It's sort of a catch-all end boss technique that can hurt even very powerful magical beings with magic defenses. So if it's written as being somehow able to penetrate Supes' earthly defenses, it's not too out of the question. Even if it is horrendously overused. So long as it works the same on Superman as it does on everyone else which, as far as we know, it does.

Same with the Starheart. It's some kinda megamagic ultrapower device, but if all you're doing with it is making falling anvils, you're not really exploring the whole nine yards. Which is why I said, "something clever and mystical and rules-bending" from it could probably hurt Superman pretty good. I mean, Alan's used it for a lot more than just making constructs in the past, too; for healing, for teleportation, exorcism, mind-reading, truthsaying, etc etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

Same with the Starheart. It's some kinda megamagic ultrapower device, but if all you're doing with it is making falling anvils, you're not really exploring the whole nine yards. Which is why I said, "something clever and mystical and rules-bending" from it could probably hurt Superman pretty good. I mean, Alan's used it for a lot more than just making constructs in the past, too; for healing, for teleportation, exorcism, mind-reading, truthsaying, etc etc.
Yeah. Just stop, dude. You're making me remember all those great moments, which is in turn making me sad. :(

[Darthphere]

Yep, internal power always beats a weapon. Plus, remember that GL rings are very closely tied to the wearer's willpower. Hal might be able to meet Superman in combat, but if he falters even a little, Superman takes him because, again, Hal's channeling willpower through an external weapon to make things that can stand up to Superman while Superman is just being Superman. Even if Superman completely loses confidence during their fight, he'll still be nearly invincible and able to dropkick a skyscraper into orbit.

Alan, on the other hand, is powered by the Starheart, which is a mass of wild magic. Superman's very susceptible to magic. Alan would totally pwn Superman. Unless Superman had some wood handy, since Johns was a giant douchebag and decided to bring back Alan's weakness to it for no apparent reason. But I'm not bitter.

Wow, you agreed with my unadulterated bull**** response.:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I didn't get what you meant about Supes' being a "force of nature," but the rest of what you said is a pretty sound principle. A martial artist can kick a cop's ass before the cop can even manage to get to his gun, for example. If you've gotta will a ring to do stuff for you in order to fight a super-strong guy who can move faster than you can blink--especially in space--the odds are definitely stacked against you.

[Anubis]

So, like, if a Speedster on a level with say, Flash, had a GL ring, he/she could be the most powerful being in the universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, there are always time and reality manipulators who could outdo them.

[Dr. Fate]

When was the last time Wally West interacted with either Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner?

[Miss Webb]

Well, the Shazam lightning has been known to do more than just transform people or hurt them; it sometimes heals, it stops other magic or strengthens it like mystical fuel, or some other random stuff as the plotwizard requires. It's sort of a catch-all end boss technique that can hurt even very powerful magical beings with magic defenses. So if it's written as being somehow able to penetrate Supes' earthly defenses, it's not too out of the question. Even if it is horrendously overused. So long as it works the same on Superman as it does on everyone else which, as far as we know, it does.

Same with the Starheart. It's some kinda megamagic ultrapower device, but if all you're doing with it is making falling anvils, you're not really exploring the whole nine yards. Which is why I said, "something clever and mystical and rules-bending" from it could probably hurt Superman pretty good. I mean, Alan's used it for a lot more than just making constructs in the past, too; for healing, for teleportation, exorcism, mind-reading, truthsaying, etc etc.

*bangs fist on desk* YEAH. Now I'm pissed all over again at the 'weak' Alan Scott.

He also created a magic body for Inza Nelson of green flame. Sealed off a dimensional gateway. Busted Neron in the nose. He also made an invisible Deadman appear visible. Etc., etc.

In HELLS' SENTINEL he didn't have the wood weakness, but his total powers were still never explored (ignored was more like it). Then like everything else it was given as a 'fake' weakness. Alan could also use the flame to see past false images and appearances (in FATE. Some egyptian zombies pretended to be workmen).

Now he's just an old bore with no direction, no plan and bad fashion sense.

[Anubis]

When was the last time Wally West interacted with either Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner?


Last issue of JLA when both Hal and Wally were on monitor duty.

Kyles in space. And evil. So the last time they were together was like, infinite Crisis.

[Miss Webb]

Damn. He needs to get to work on Lois then. Get some super kids goin.

Bruce or Clark? :oldrazz:

[batnkevlar]

Well, there's a sure-fire way Green Lantern won't get his ass completely kicked by Superman... I mean, even though superman is faster than thought or whatnot, GL can put up a protective bubble around himself and when it senses Superman, engulfs him in emerald energy, making him easier to track and defeat... i mean, GL is not only a man, he's also a ring, which is a complicated piece of machinery...

[TheCorpulent1]

*bangs fist on desk* YEAH. Now I'm pissed all over again at the 'weak' Alan Scott.

He also created a magic body for Inza Nelson of green flame. Sealed off a dimensional gateway. Busted Neron in the nose. He also made an invisible Deadman appear visible. Etc., etc.

In HELLS' SENTINEL he didn't have the wood weakness, but his total powers were still never explored (ignored was more like it). Then like everything else it was given as a 'fake' weakness. Alan could also use the flame to see past false images and appearances (in FATE. Some egyptian zombies pretended to be workmen).

Now he's just an old bore with no direction, no plan and bad fashion sense.
Hey, Miss Webb, could you recommend some really good, non-JSA Alan stories to me? I was trying to come up with examples of Alan being awesome, but all I could think of was JSA stuff. It occurred to me that as much as I love the character, I really haven't read much of him beyond the JSA series, Checkmate, and The Final Night.

[Anubis]

I always thought it was kind of a running gag about how f**king awesome Scott is, when in reality he isn't, and we've stuck to it for so long we eventually started to believe it.

[Tropico]

*GASP*:eek: Ohhhhh, you're gonna get it!!

[TheCorpulent1]

I always thought it was kind of a running gag about how f**king awesome Scott is, when in reality he isn't, and we've stuck to it for so long we eventually started to believe it.
No, I actually think he's ****ing awesome. He's just going through a rough patch now.

Douche. :(

[The Question]

Hey, Miss Webb, could you recommend some really good, non-JSA Alan stories to me? I was trying to come up with examples of Alan being awesome, but all I could think of was JSA stuff. It occurred to me that as much as I love the character, I really haven't read much of him beyond the JSA series, Checkmate, and The Final Night.

Well, obviously, there's James Robinson's "The Golden Age," where he goes toe to toe with a superman-level metahuman version of Adolf Hitler, and only loses because his wood weakness is used against him. But you probably already knew about that. I also thought he was pretty cool in his early appearances in Kyle Rayner's series. He didn't have any particularly amazing feats, but he had the aura of "I was one of the first superheroes" badassery.

[Anubis]

Only loses because of his wood weakness? Nuh uh, he got beat the old fashioned way.

No, I actually think he's ****ing awesome. He's just going through a rough patch now.

Douche. :(


Truth hurts, I know. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, obviously, there's James Robinson's "The Golden Age," where he goes toe to toe with a superman-level metahuman version of Adolf Hitler, and only loses because his wood weakness is used against him. But you probably already knew about that. I also thought he was pretty cool in his early appearances in Kyle Rayner's series. He didn't have any particularly amazing feats, but he had the aura of "I was one of the first superheroes" badassery.
I haven't read The Golden Age yet. Isn't that an alternate reality anyway? I want some good, in-continuity Alan stuff.

I've read the early Kyle comics already. Alan's pretty cool in it but he's kind of overshadowed by Kyle, which makes sense since it's Kyle's comic. There was one particularly heinous incident where Alan couldn't handle Nero but Kyle could that I never really forgave Marz for, though. :(

[The Question]

I haven't read The Golden Age yet. Isn't that an alternate reality anyway? I want some good, in-continuity Alan stuff.

It may not be in continuity, but Robinson has carried a lot of stuff from The Golden Age into the regular continuity, so while technically Alan's feats in it didn't happen, the badassery that allowed them to remains intact.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah. Well, it was on my list of things to read one day anyway. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

Just when did Batman get a car seat installed in the Batmobile?

[TheCorpulent1]

When he officially adopted Tim. "I'm gonna make up for time lost, son. Now, you just get nice and comfy in there while I fasten these buckles--stop struggling, you'll only make it hurt more!"

[trustyside-kick]

Well, there's a sure-fire way Green Lantern won't get his ass completely kicked by Superman... I mean, even though superman is faster than thought or whatnot, GL can put up a protective bubble around himself and when it senses Superman, engulfs him in emerald energy, making him easier to track and defeat... i mean, GL is not only a man, he's also a ring, which is a complicated piece of machinery...

Even though Superman never uses his super speed smartly in his fights...

[Ultra-Herald9]

Even though Superman never uses his super speed smartly in his fights...

looks like someone needs to read OWAW.

[TheCorpulent1]

That was one of the very few instances he used it well. Usually he just flies to wherever he's going at blinding speed, then stops and fights at normal speed. It happens with every super-fast character, really. Even the Flashes have gotten tagged by Rogues who have no business hitting them because they slowed down for whatever reason.

[yenaled]

There is the Alan Scott prestige comic Brightest Day, Blackest Night about his first confrontation with Grundy.

[ddm92392]

do you think batman knows his theme song?

[trustyside-kick]

How did he lose the wood weakness in the first place?

Anyone?

Although, understandable how it could've been overlooked. Looks like my question about GLs and then Alan Scott more specifically seemed to grab a lot of attention about things relating to him.

[Tropico]

do you think batman knows his theme song?

All-Star Bats probably does.:dry:

[ddm92392]

maybe he sings it to himself while in his bat-jet

[LexCorp]

I wish, that would be cool. I think Bats has the best soundtrack.

[BrianWilly]

Well, there's a sure-fire way Green Lantern won't get his ass completely kicked by Superman... I mean, even though superman is faster than thought or whatnot, GL can put up a protective bubble around himself and when it senses Superman, engulfs him in emerald energy, making him easier to track and defeat... i mean, GL is not only a man, he's also a ring, which is a complicated piece of machinery...John Stewart kept a (brainwashed) Superman inside a construct box, once; Superman punched it at full strength and his raw power won over John's willpower, shattering the construct and sending John flying.

I still stand by that any GL should be able to beat Superman, but trying to meet him with raw power isn't gonna do it. They have to think outside the box, so to speak. Too bad John's so much cooler and clever when he's evil; him attacking Superman's eyes in GL Rebirth was one of the bestest moments everred. Sht, he should get possessed by Parallax more.

[ddm92392]

But if it came down to raw power to raw power like clark in superman II I think GL would win because supes got his butt whooped in that one once he gave up his powers

[TheCorpulent1]

John Stewart kept a (brainwashed) Superman inside a construct box, once; Superman punched it at full strength and his raw power won over John's willpower, shattering the construct and sending John flying.

I still stand by that any GL should be able to beat Superman, but trying to meet him with raw power isn't gonna do it. They have to think outside the box, so to speak. Too bad John's so much cooler and clever when he's evil; him attacking Superman's eyes in GL Rebirth was one of the bestest moments everred. Sht, he should get possessed by Parallax more.
But then Johns wouldn't be able to play out his fanboy desire for Hal to outdo everything Kyle did better over the last ten years.

[Kitsune]

But then Johns wouldn't be able to play out his fanboy desire for Hal to outdo everything Kyle did better over the last ten years.

Hal's going to need bigger refrigerator for that.

[Anubis]

But if it came down to raw power to raw power like clark in superman II I think GL would win because supes got his butt whooped in that one once he gave up his powers

I'm sorry, what?

[ddm92392]

you remember in Superman II when Superman gave up his powers and was just a regular human then he got his ass whooped by some random bar guy well if it was that Supes Im saying that he would loose

[Anubis]

How? You saying if Supes didn't have his powers and the GL didn't have his ring? Cuz I don't believe that was the stipulation set forth in the match.

[Tropico]

I'm sorry, what?

Just random newb posts, post padding, that sort of thing.:o

[ddm92392]

whos the random post me

[Manic]

But if it came down to raw power to raw power like clark in superman II I think GL would win because supes got his butt whooped in that one once he gave up his powers
you remember in Superman II when Superman gave up his powers and was just a regular human then he got his ass whooped by some random bar guy well if it was that Supes Im saying that he would loose
whos the random post me
http://www.englishgrammar101.com/

It doesn't have to be perfect. A punctuation mark or two will do.

[ddm92392]

thanks but the grammer link was unnecessary I speak well I just dont feel like checking every sentence to make sure it was fully punctuated sorry thats just me

[Manic]

thanks but the grammer link was unnecessary I speak well I just dont feel like checking every sentence to make sure it was fully punctuated sorry thats just me
I'm not asking you to check. I'm asking you to put a period at the end of a sentence as you go along. Call me crazy, but that should be a given. I think that's why Anubis said "I'm sorry, what?" a few posts back. That last post of yours had 4 sentences.

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, it doesn't matter how well you speak or whether you feel like proof reading or not. If your sentences don't make sense and people can't understand them, don't bother typing anything in the first place. It doesn't have to be perfect; just coherent enough for others to read it. Sorry, that's just me.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

thanks but the grammer link was unnecessary I speak well I just dont feel like checking every sentence to make sure it was fully punctuated sorry thats just me


You speak well? It's good to know that you speak well on a comic book forum where you type. Don't purposely be ignorant. It makes you look even more like a bigger ass if you know you are and do nothing about it.

[Norman Osborn]

Is there a definitive "Joker" origin currently or have the countless DC reboots left his origin uncertain as well?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hmmmm.....not sure. Who is the biggest cock block in the DC Universe?

[Norman Osborn]

*sigh...can't wait for the new kid razing*...what's a cock block?

[trustyside-kick]

Why is there an Outsider title still being published? Shouldn't it be on hold because of the Batman/Outsiders: Five of A Kind deal? Kind of how GA is kind of "held off" because of the BC mini.

I mean, the Outsider title still has Roy as Arsenal and everything I believe. I was browsing through my local shop today and saw the most recent issue. And then I check the DC site and another one is supposed to come out.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see anything Outsiders-related scheduled for release in August on DC's website other than the Five of a Kind one-shots. :confused:

[Harlekin]

And Arsenal's been out of the Outsiders since OYL. One of the most recent issues had him since it was an arc about the missing year.

[trustyside-kick]

And Arsenal's been out of the Outsiders since OYL. One of the most recent issues had him since it was an arc about the missing year.

Oh, ok. That's what I saw then. It's a recent issue, about the missing year I guess.

And the reason I thought it was still in print is because it seems the Month and Year is always different then when it came out on the cover. I've noticed that lately but I forgot at that time.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, the cover date is not the same as when it actually comes out.

There's a reason for it. I just forgot.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

*sigh...can't wait for the new kid razing*...what's a cock block?


Someone that prevents someone from getting laid.

[trustyside-kick]

First, what are some highly recommended Elseworld stories? I'm already checking out The Nail and Another Nail, if it helps shorten the list.

Second, what are some good stories to read that involve Despero? I've already read Crisis of Conscience and recently bought JLA/JSA: Virtue & Vice.

[Tropico]

First, what are some highly recommended Elseworld stories? I'm already checking out The Nail and Another Nail, if it helps shorten the list.

Second, what are some good stories to read that involve Despero? I've already read Crisis of Conscience and recently bought JLA/JSA: Virtue & Vice.

JSA: The Liberty Files and the sequel JSA: Unholy Three.

The story where Despero gets his new (and current) form way back in the pages of JLA (JLI?) and JLE is also very good, the JLI parts has art by Adam Hughes. The story has very little of the humor people have pigeon-holed that era's run into but it fits because of the seriousness of the threat. I don't know what the specific issues are and I guess it would be a hassle to get the back issues.

[Tropico]

Yeah, the cover date is not the same as when it actually comes out.

There's a reason for it. I just forgot.

For when they release the comics to the newsstands. It's usually one month (I think) after the comics shops.

[yenaled]

I really reconmend Gotham by Gaslight, Golden Age, New Frontier and Superman: Secret Identity. I guess they count as Elseworlds now too so "I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League" and "Formally Known as the Justice League" are excellent.

ALlso if you can find it JLA: Act of God was good.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

JLA: Earth 2 and Red Son...?

[yenaled]

Earth 2 was continuity when released. I find Red Son is really overrated - but yeah people seem to love it.

[ToddIsDead]

Red Son was amazing. That and Kingdom Come are my two favorite Elseworlds. I guess you could lump New Frontier in there too.

[Spike_x1]

I didn't like Red Son as much as some people seem to, but I still found it really good.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah Kingdowm Come was damn good :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I liked Red Son, but wasn't in love with it.

[yenaled]

It's not a bad story by any means but people seem to list it as "best Superman story" or "best Elseworld" all the time and it really is neither of them. IMO of course.

[Anubis]

It's in my top five of Superman stories. But truth be told, I haven't read that much.

[trustyside-kick]

I have heard some good and some bad about JLA Classified...but I know some of the issues involved Waterbearer Aquaman, so I'm curious. Anyone know what issues had Aquaman on the team for that title?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Batman: The Cult :up:

[Ultra-Herald9]

It's not a bad story by any means but people seem to list it as "best Superman story" or "best Elseworld" all the time and it really is neither of them. IMO of course.


Damn man......should I just rip out my heart so you can stomp it more easily.:csad:


But I'm curious of why you thought it was overrated?:yay:

[Fledermaus]

Batman: The Cult

Is that elseworld?

And I don't even like Superman, but I really enjoyed Red Son.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is that elseworld?

And I don't even like Superman, but I really enjoyed Red Son.


Hmmm I don't remember for sure, but I don't think so. It's collected in four tpb. I enjoyed it very much :up:

[SenseiofCheese]

Red Son is without a doubt my favorite elseworld tale.

[Hush]

I thought that Red Son was incredible and a very good idea well executed.

[Miss Webb]

Does Superman wear a cup? :woot: I'd hate to think his stuff was swinging around loose in there...although you might break a few toes trying for anything stupid.

[yenaled]

Damn man......should I just rip out my heart so you can stomp it more easily.:csad:

But I'm curious of why you thought it was overrated?:yay:

This will probably ramble on for a while, so sorry...

It's not like I hate it it's well written and a fun read but as far as Superman stories go or Elseworld Superman stories, it's just not a good Superman story. I really feel it could be anyone as the main character as long as he was Russian and a bit of a ********.

It's not Superman in the story. Rather than "Superman but he's Russian" it's "big bad guy learns good". He's a fascist who doesn't distinguish between lobotomizing, crippling people or killing just forgetting any morals.

In the normal DCU Superman represents the best about America or Capitalism dispite all the corruption and greed of the society. In Red Sun he represents the worse of the USSR or Communism and is completely corrupted by the bad elements of Communist Russia. Also apparently Communism now works that he is a massive brutal Dictator - which infact big brutal power hungry dictators like Stalin were the reason it couldn't work. That all doesn't really add up for me.

The story said is people who live in corrupt societies are themselves corrupt until outside influence changes them. Which I fundamentally don't agree with.

Generally people who regard it in high praise really don't like or maybe read Superman. Millar himself, going by his ideas for an in-continuity Superman - really doesn't understand Superman. When you have other Elseworld Superman stories; Kingdom Come, The Nail, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Secret Identity, Superman for All Seasons, etc - I personally don't think it compares.

[SenseiofCheese]

I was wondering, is the DC 1,000,000 stuff in-continuity?

[TheCorpulent1]

It was pre-IC. I don't think anyone knows what's in New Earth's continuity.

[ToddIsDead]

When you have other Elseworld Superman stories; Kingdom Come, The Nail, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Secret Identity, Superman for All Seasons, etc - I personally don't think it compares.

I'd hardly call The Nail a Superman story. It is however, one of the best Elseworlds stories ever written.

[trustyside-kick]

I think it does because it is about a world without Superman.

[BrianWilly]

It was pre-IC. I don't think anyone knows what's in New Earth's continuity.I think One Million went out of continuity pretty long before IC ever happened. Hippolyta dying nullified the WW One Million story, for one thing. The GL Corps returning makes it odd that "the last GL ring" was is stuck somewhere on...Mars, I think, much less the fact that there are absolutely no records of GLs anywhere in the future.

[TheCorpulent1]

The GLs were wiped out pretty quickly before and 800 centuries is a pretty long time. :confused: As for the last ring being on Mars, look at how many humans are in the Corps. Odds are pretty good that one of them would've wound up the last GL and they could've then taken it back to their native Solar System. Or J'onn, as a friend of many GLs, might've sought it out for safekeeping. Again, 800 centuries is a very long time and a lot of unlikely things could happen, especially in a comic book universe where one specific form of radiation is the only thing that can hurt an otherwise invincible juggernaut and chemical accidents result in several different people becoming connected to an infinite reservoir of speed energy.

[The Question]

The GLs were wiped out pretty quickly before and 800 centuries is a pretty long time. :confused:

The Corps was around for over Four Million years before their first fall.

[TheCorpulent1]

And yet their first fall happened very quickly. Why couldn't their second happen just as quickly, especially now that people know they're not invincible?

[ToddIsDead]

I think it does because it is about a world without Superman.

But when he only appears for a few pages at the end of the story, I hesitate to call it a Superman story. It's called JLA: The Nail for a reason.

[trustyside-kick]

But still, it's centered around him technically.

[Tropico]

And yet their first fall happened very quickly. Why couldn't their second happen just as quickly, especially now that people know they're not invincible?

Exactly. Pft! They don't even exist at the time of the Legion!!!:woot:

[The Question]

Exactly. Pft! They don't even exist at the time of the Legion!!!:woot:

They did originally, but for some reason never went to Earth. Then they didn't, because of Zero Hour and all that. Now, they haven't been mentioned, but it could be that they're not allowed in sector 2814 for political reasons.

[Tropico]

Still, the point is that just because they existed fro millions of years before doesn't mean that they HAVE to exist for a long time after. There was a time when Kyle was the last GL. Really, what's so hard to grasp about the same thing happening by the time of DC One Million? I don't see the problem.

[Memphis Slim]

Was there a time when he was depicted to be in his mid-twenties???? Back in the 80's or even recently???

Now he seems to be a boy again..........wanting to join the Teen Titans???

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/new_graphic_novel1953.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/JimmyOlsen01.png/225px-JimmyOlsen01.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JimmyOlsen01.png)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/Jimmyolsen.png/180px-Jimmyolsen.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jimmyolsen.png)

[The Question]

I think he's supposed to be around 26.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Look at that last shot. The way he's fawning over Superman's crotch.

[Manic]

Now he seems to be a boy again..........wanting to join the Teen Titans???
*dramatic spit*

What?! Jimmy was the teenaged cub reporter back when Dick Grayson was still Robin! What the F? He's like... the Jubilee of DC.

[TheCorpulent1]

Jubilee seems to be in her twenties in New Warriors.

[Cmill216]

QUESTION:

How do you pronounce Khunds and Rann?

[Aristotle]

QUESTION:

How do you pronounce Khunds and Rann?In my head, they are pronounced "Kunds" and "Ran".

[trustyside-kick]

I always thought Rann was pronounced "ron"; partially because of the two n's.

[ddm92392]

I have 2 questions, how does Flash fit that costume in a ring? and how does it just come on his body?

[The Question]

I have 2 questions, how does Flash fit that costume in a ring?

Originally, it was made of a special fabric created by Barry Allen that expands on contact with air. Now, it's made of pure energy, and The Flash can manipulate it with his mind.

and how does it just come on his body?

Originally, he just put it on at super speed. Now, again, manipulating it with his mind.

[trustyside-kick]

You are serious about the manipulating the suit with his mind? That's retarded if you ask me. I prefer the suit popping out of the ring, and he uses superspeed to put it on.

[Spike_x1]

Was there a time when he was depicted to be in his mid-twenties???? Back in the 80's or even recently???

Now he seems to be a boy again..........wanting to join the Teen Titans???

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/new_graphic_novel1953.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/JimmyOlsen01.png/225px-JimmyOlsen01.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JimmyOlsen01.png)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/Jimmyolsen.png/180px-Jimmyolsen.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jimmyolsen.png)Yes, all through the 90's Jimmy's character was matured very well, obviously to his early to mid twenties, and expanded probably more than any other character in Superman's supporting cast. He left the Daily Planet and became the star reporter of a rival news network, scooping Lois once actually.

Now though, I doubt very much that that's part of his history.

[Cmill216]

Edit: Nevermind

[batnkevlar]

Well, Bart wore Barry Allen's suit when he was the Flash... and Wally's used to flow onto him, without the ring... so bascially, the way i see it, if the ring is involved, it's not a speed force suit...

[BubbaGump]

Can anyone tell me what issues are collected in Batman: Strange Apparitions?

Issue numbers would be incredibly helpful. :yay:

[Mister J]

Detective Comics #469-479

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Bart wore Barry Allen's suit when he was the Flash... and Wally's used to flow onto him, without the ring... so bascially, the way i see it, if the ring is involved, it's not a speed force suit...
Bart wore Wally's suit, actually. Barry's suit looks different. It was probably a normal costume, though, not a Speed Force suit. I think Wally's the only one who makes his costume out of Speed Force energy.

[Anubis]

Well, he used to.

[BubbaGump]

Detective Comics #469-479

You totally ****ing rule. :yay::up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he used to.
He should again. I hate it when the Silver Age nostalgia makes characters go back to older methods of doing things when the newer methods are much better. All Wally had to do was think about it and his costume was there. Now he's got the stupid Flash ring again. Bleh.

[The Question]

I actually prefer the ring. I personally think they went a little overboard with all of the different things the Speed Force can do.

[TheCorpulent1]

I love the Speed Force. It can't really do that much stuff, either. The things it can do just have a ton of applications, as super-speed really should. I applaud DC for realizing the potential that that unlocks in at least one character (lord knows they're never going to show it with Superman).

[The Question]

I love the Speed Force. It can't really do that much stuff, either. The things it can do just have a ton of applications, as super-speed really should. I applaud DC for realizing the potential that that unlocks in at least one character (lord knows they're never going to show it with Superman).

I just meant the whole "making objects out of the speed force" thing. Seemed a little over the top.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just meant the whole "making objects out of the speed force" thing. Seemed a little over the top.
Well, it's not like he's making constructs like a GL or anything. It's an extension of the Speed Force aura's protection against the air resistance and stuff that would prevent super-speed in the real world. Wally just learned how to make it look like a Flash suit.

[BrianWilly]

'Cause Wally is a pimp.

[incubat]

I was reading on wikipedia that Nightwing once wore a GL ring (the issues are listed there, but I can't find them), how did that happen?

[Anubis]

He won it off Kyle Rayner in a strip poker tournament at Titans tower. He was also wearing Donna Troy's panties at the time.

[incubat]

He won it off Kyle Rayner in a strip poker tournament at Titans tower. He was also wearing Donna Troy's panties at the time.

I really want to say you're kidding...

[Anubis]

Am I? :)

[BrianWilly]

You sure it's Nightwing and not Arsenal? Roy and Kyle did switch "powers" once in a wacky shenanigans issue of GL.

[incubat]

Am I? :)

aoh...you got me...:woot:

You sure it's Nightwing and not Arsenal? Roy and Kyle did switch "powers" once in a wacky shenanigans issue of GL.

At least according to wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern#Others_who_have_worn_a_Green_Lantern _Power_Ring

[yenaled]

Oh, eww, it was during Action Comics Weekly.

They thought Hal was dead so Nightwing got the ring, then Hal wasn't dead. The world mourned.

[incubat]

Oh, nice. Did he get the ring because he was the next in line or something?

[yenaled]

I've really no idea why he got the ring, apparently Clark gave it him.

[incubat]

oh, ok, well thx yenaled

[Kitsune]

Am I? :)

Damn, I was gonna track down that issue.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm just curious since this debate has been going on over in the Marvel forum for....well a long damn time.

Is is common that Supes is the strongest in the DCU? Or would it be Orion or Darkseid? Or is it pretty much Superboy Prime? But does he not count since he is really from Earth 2 or an alternate DCU?

I'm just asking because I would assume it's one of those above, I'm not trying to start some Hulk vs. anyone thread. Just wondering who is the strongest in DC.

What about Amazo he potentially could be couldn't he?

[The Question]

Orion and Darkseid are supposed to be stronger, but DC likes having Superman show them up 'cause "He's Superman!"

[Anubis]

Who the f**k is Amazom?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Who the f**k is Amazom?


Bah! Typo, I meant Amazo.

Edit and fixed /\

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Orion and Darkseid are supposed to be stronger, but DC likes having Superman show them up 'cause "He's Superman!"


That's the impression I was under.

[Spike_x1]

There really shouldn't be any question, since they should both still be at Pre-Crisis levels of strength, which was higher than even the planet-tossing Superman of that time.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Do you mean both Orion and Darkseid?

[trustyside-kick]

Yea because Darkseid is supposed to be the "illest mofo" in the DCU, and only Orion is supposed to defeat him in the pits of Apokolips, so that makes him the second "illest mofo" in the DCU, topping Supes.

(Wow, adding that bits of slang was fun. :D)

But, as the others said, DC makes Supes their champ because "He's Superman". Just like when people voted for the DC/Marvel crossovers, DC themselves are biased when certain people go up against Supes.

[TheCorpulent1]

And by "certain people" you mean "anyone," of course. The fact that Superman could meet Darkseid in straight-up, one-on-one combat in the cartoons was one of the DCAU's greatest failings for me. :o

Anyway, I have some stupid questions of my own: What's happened to the Green Lantern Corps by the Legion's time? Do they just stay out of Sector 2814 because the Legion's got it covered, or are they just gone with no explanation? Do the Guardians even still exist? Do they have any record of the GLC or does the GLC have any sort of legacy in the 31st century?

[The Question]

And by "certain people" you mean "anyone," of course. The fact that Superman could meet Darkseid in straight-up, one-on-one combat in the cartoons was one of the DCAU's greatest failings for me. :o

In their defense, though, Darkseid did completely destroy Superman with no effort the first time they fought in the DCAU.

Anyway, I have some stupid questions of my own: What's happened to the Green Lantern Corps by the Legion's time? Do they just stay out of Sector 2814 because the Legion's got it covered, or are they just gone with no explanation? Do the Guardians even still exist? Do they have any record of the GLC or does the GLC have any sort of legacy in the 31st century?

That's complicated. In the original comics, the GLC did exist in the Legion's time. They just never showed up because the book focused mostly on the Legion and Superboy. However, GLs did show up every now and then, and one of the Legion villains, Universo, was ex-GLC. After Zero-Hour, I believe the implication was that the GLC had still failed to reform after their fall at Hal/Parallax's hands. Even though it's never come up, I think the intent these days is that the GLC does exist, but they stay out of Sector 2814 because the UP controls 2814 and Oa and the UP aren't on the friendliest of terms.

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn, I wish Waid had tackled that in his politically charged run. Maybe Bedard will one day. I don't necessarily want a GL to join the Legion or anything, but it would be nice to get some kind of idea of what the hell they're doing or if they even exist in the time period.

[The Question]

Damn, I wish Waid had tackled that in his politically charged run. Maybe Bedard will one day. I don't necessarily want a GL to join the Legion or anything, but it would be nice to get some kind of idea of what the hell they're doing or if they even exist in the time period.


There was actually a supporting character (although not an actual member) of the Legion who was a GL named Rond Vidar. This was Pre-Crisis, of course. Turns out that the whole "GLC now allowed in 2814 for political reasons" was the explination for the GL's absence in the Legion comics Pre-Crisis, so Rond was a covert ops agent working for the Gaurdians in secret. He was, in his "Secret Identity," Brainy's lab partner, which caused all sorts of drama. I think they're going with the old, Pre-Crisis idea, and just not mentioning it at all. But that's just my theory.



Also, in case you're curious, this was the Pre-Crisis Legion era GLC uniform:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Rond_Vidar_-_Green_Lantern.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I'll wait and see. I mean, Bedard managed to put Matter-Eater Lad into the current Legion comic in a not-too-retarded way. Matter-****ing-Eater Lad.

[Anubis]

I still can't believe he bit that bastard's finger off.

[yenaled]

Matter-****ing-Eating Lad ****ing rules in LSH. That is all.

[Tropico]

Like Question said, Pre-Crisis the Corps did exist in some fashion. Universo was a member and later went bad and plagued the Legion by using his hypnotic powers. His son, Rond Vidar, was revealed to be a GL member but it's not like he went on that many adventures with them. In fact, the changes to the status of the Corps was pre Zero Hour. Apparently OA had been destroyed or was non-existent, this was after the 5 year gap when they turned the Legion into adults. Rond had married Laurel Gand (Amdromeda in later incarnations) and they even had a daughter. I remember one occasion when they were in trouble and Rond mentioned that it was a shame that he no longer had his ring.

Later on they took in a private investigator called Celeste Rockfish and after a looooong plot regarding the mystery of her on again off again powers it was later revealed that her green energy powers were in fact the last remnants of the GL energies. Then came Zero Hour and the reboot and we never knew about the fate of the GL's it was mainly assumed that there weren't any due to the status of the GL's in the present.

As far as I know UP membership is voluntary and is at a planetary level, by that I mean that if there's a certain amount of planets in a sector of space it's very possible that some of them join and others don't and it doesn't make that whole sector of space subject to the UP's charter, just the planets under their "protection". Citing political reason for a lack of presence in Earth or its sector (if the reason is true) seems a flimsy excuse, IMO. The Legion is a rather new presence post ZH; the UP, as an organization, is not too old either, hence why the idea of teens from different worlds working together is kind of a novel idea. It'll be even more interesting to see what reasons they come up with, if any, after they reveal why there are always so many GL's in Earth. Personally, if they never say why or never show a GL presence in the Legion I won't bat an eye.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not a huge deal, it just always bugged me that the entire Legion (as I know them) built up around the ideals that Superman created as a hero in the 21st century, yet they rarely mention any other heroes from the 21st century. Why can't anyone tap into the universal fields like the Red or the Green or the Clear in the Legion's era? Why are the GLs never mentioned (which I now know in detail; thanks)? Why couldn't anyone tap into the Speed Force until the stories that introduced the Tornado Twins and XS? Just things I wonder about when I think of the Legion, given that I'm a relatively new reader of their comics.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yea because Darkseid is supposed to be the "illest mofo" in the DCU, and only Orion is supposed to defeat him in the pits of Apokolips, so that makes him the second "illest mofo" in the DCU, topping Supes.

(Wow, adding that bits of slang was fun. :D)

But, as the others said, DC makes Supes their champ because "He's Superman". Just like when people voted for the DC/Marvel crossovers, DC themselves are biased when certain people go up against Supes.

That's what I figured.

[trustyside-kick]

What are some good/great Huntress centered stories in BoP?

[trustyside-kick]

Got three Hawkman-related questions:

1) Based on DC's Strength class/rating, what is Hawkman at?

2) Just wearing the Nth Metal harness, how much strength does that give him/put him at? Does the more Nth Metal he wears give him more strength?

3) Using his Nth Metal weapons, how much strength does that give him/put him at?

[Manic]

Wait... Nth metal affects strength?

[trustyside-kick]

Reading the Hawkman series, and just knowing certain things Nth metal does, I recalled it upping his strength. But I'm not sure if that was restricted to him just wearing it as enough to do so, or him using weapons composed of the metal.

[JTStarkiller]

I just bought a few issues from the For Tomorrow arc, and I noticed they're numbered in the low 200s, but Superman #666 just came out. What am I missing here?

[Fledermaus]

I think they went back to the old numbering OYL.

[ddm92392]

Does anyone know how they got the name Pol Manning?

[Manic]

How exactly did Lois find out Clark and Superman were the same dude?

[ddm92392]

In the movie she found out when he tried to retreive his glasses from the fireplace im not sure about the comic.

[Mister J]

In Action Comics #662, Clark told Lois that he was Superman. It was a while after she had accepted his marriage proposal.

[ddm92392]

thats cheap lol.

[JTStarkiller]

In the movie she found out when he tried to retreive his glasses from the fireplace im not sure about the comic.

I prefer Donner's version where Lois shoots a blank at Clark, tricking him.

[ddm92392]

I did too that was great but freakin crazy.

[Manic]

In Action Comics #662, Clark told Lois that he was Superman. It was a while after she had accepted his marriage proposal.
After the proposal?

It's like I always said: Lois was cheating on a man with the same man.

[Mister J]

IIRC, Clark wanted to be sure that Lois was in love with him, not Superman.
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3804/actioncomics662bn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Manic]

IIRC, Clark wanted to be sure that Lois was in love with him, not Superman.
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3804/actioncomics662bn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
But... they're the same man. Should it really matter which one she's in love with?

[Mister J]

Yeah, because I don't know if she ever got close enough to him as Superman to fully appreciate him beyond the guy who stands as this symbol and does these amazing things. It's complicated in a sense, but I imagine it was his way of making sure that she loved him for who he is, as opposed as to what he can do.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah, because I don't know if she ever got close enough to him as Superman to fully appreciate him beyond the guy who stands as this symbol and does these amazing things. It's complicated in a sense, but I imagine it was his way of making sure that she loved him for who he is, as opposed as to what he can do.


Ah but you see, that's the thing. He is Superman. He turns into Clark Kent as his tranformation. Where as Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and transforms into Batman to become him.

Kal-El does not need to change into Superman, that is who he is always.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

On another note.

What race is Kilowog? Does anyone know his race's lifespan? Is he still a member of the corps? If not, why not?

[The Question]

[/b]


Ah but you see, that's the thing. He is Superman. He turns into Clark Kent as his tranformation. Where as Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and transforms into Batman to become him.

Kal-El does not need to change into Superman, that is who he is always.

But Superman still isn't who he is. Not entirely. He has a life outside of saving other lives. He wanted to know is Lois actually loves him, the man who wakes up and puts on the costume, as well as the man who puts on the suit and glasses and goes to work, as oppossed to the idea of him.


Also, odds are, Batman would tell you that the real Bruce Wayne died in Crime Alley with his parents.

[Mister J]

I agree with Q on both counts.

Superman is a reflection of how Clark Kent was raised. Seeing that Lois was committed to him prior to the revelation ensured him that she wasn't just under an infatuation of what he can do.
I'm Clark, the man you love. Superman is the creation -- you named me, Lois.

[Manic]

[/B]


Ah but you see, that's the thing. He is Superman. He turns into Clark Kent as his tranformation. Where as Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and transforms into Batman to become him.

Kal-El does not need to change into Superman, that is who he is always.
I disagree. There's a reason all of his friends call him Clark. Because that's who he is, not a disguise. That's who he was raised as. Superman doesn't need to be a journalist. Clark Kent wants to be a journalist. Technically, Clark Kent doesn't even need to exist. He could walk around as just Superman, like pre-Infinite Crisis Wonder Woman did. He walks around as Clark Kent because... well, that's who he's been for as long as he can remember.

[MagicPrime]

[/b]
Where as Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and transforms into Batman to become him.

There are people who would debate you on that one.

[batnkevlar]

There are two trains of thought about Batman: there's one that says between Batman and Bruce Wayne, he's Batman. Bruce Wayne died long ago.

Another train of thought is there's Batman, public Bruce, and private Bruce (how Bale plays him)... Batman's this demon, public Bruce is a playboy, and private Bruce is the Bruce that only his close friends know...

On another note.

What race is Kilowog? Does anyone know his race's lifespan? Is he still a member of the corps? If not, why not?

http://glcorps.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=kilowog

[The Leaguer]

There are two trains of thought about Batman: there's one that says between Batman and Bruce Wayne, he's Batman. Bruce Wayne died long ago.

Another train of thought is there's Batman, public Bruce, and private Bruce (how Bale plays him)... Batman's this demon, public Bruce is a playboy, and private Bruce is the Bruce that only his close friends know...

Actually, there's a third: Bruce and Batman are two completely different people, it's just that no one has ever happened to see them together and the entire DC superhero community read way too far into that.

[Kitsune]

[/B]


Ah but you see, that's the thing. He is Superman. He turns into Clark Kent as his tranformation. Where as Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and transforms into Batman to become him.

Kal-El does not need to change into Superman, that is who he is always.
Actully you are wrong on Bruce. The Bruce Wayne persona is every bit a mask as the Batman one is.

[The Leaguer]

Wow, you're so deep. How did you ever come up with such a well thought out philosophy.

[TheCorpulent1]

On another note.

What race is Kilowog? Does anyone know his race's lifespan? Is he still a member of the corps? If not, why not?
Kilowog's still a member of the Corps. He died at Hal Jordan's hands while Hal was Parallax, but he was reincarnated as the Dark Lantern by the Brotherhood of the Cold Flame, a bunch of GLs who'd lost their rings but not their lives at Hal's hands. They sent the Dark Lantern to kill Hal, but he ultimately failed. Hal had Oa and the Central Power Battery recreated while he was the Spectre, which allowed Kilowog's soul to rest, and then Kyle Rayner and Ganthet restored him to life later on.

He rejoined the GL Corps as their equivalent to a drill sergeant, responsible for making real Lanterns out of raw recruits, and he's currently one of the central figures of the Green Lantern Corps comic, along with Guy Gardner, Salakk, Soranik Natu, Isamot Kol, and Vath Sarn. He's contrasted a lot with Salakk in the GLC comic book, since Kilowog basically gets the Lanterns prepared for the dirty work of being a Lantern while Salakk orchestrates all their missions and gives the orders straight from the Guardians themselves.

[trustyside-kick]

I'm towards the end of the Hawkman title (when IC starts), but I was wondering something:

In what order do I read the last 3 Hawkman titles along with the Rann - Thanagar War mini?

Is it one Hawkman, then one from the War mini, and then Hawkman, and then War mini, etc til I'm through?

[Kitsune]

IIRC, Clark wanted to be sure that Lois was in love with him, not Superman.
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3804/actioncomics662bn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
How about this one:
http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/1296_4_063.jpg

[ddm92392]

the second one's funnier cause he actually questions their intelligence.

[Fledermaus]

He doesn't question it at all. He straight up says they're stupid.

[ddm92392]

correction then hallarious!

[Mister J]

Good ol' Superdickery. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

But Superman still isn't who he is. Not entirely. He has a life outside of saving other lives. He wanted to know is Lois actually loves him, the man who wakes up and puts on the costume, as well as the man who puts on the suit and glasses and goes to work, as oppossed to the idea of him.


Also, odds are, Batman would tell you that the real Bruce Wayne died in Crime Alley with his parents.

Yeah I know, I was just making a point. He still is supes all the time no matter what.

But I know what everyone means by Lois loving him for him. Just making a point.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I disagree. There's a reason all of his friends call him Clark. Because that's who he is, not a disguise. That's who he was raised as. Superman doesn't need to be a journalist. Clark Kent wants to be a journalist. Technically, Clark Kent doesn't even need to exist. He could walk around as just Superman, like pre-Infinite Crisis Wonder Woman did. He walks around as Clark Kent because... well, that's who he's been for as long as he can remember.


Wrong, it's his disguise. Superman/Kal-El is who he is. Always.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

There are two trains of thought about Batman: there's one that says between Batman and Bruce Wayne, he's Batman. Bruce Wayne died long ago.

Another train of thought is there's Batman, public Bruce, and private Bruce (how Bale plays him)... Batman's this demon, public Bruce is a playboy, and private Bruce is the Bruce that only his close friends know...



http://glcorps.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=kilowog (http://glcorps.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=kilowog)


Thanks batnkevlar :up:

Kilowog's still a member of the Corps. He died at Hal Jordan's hands while Hal was Parallax, but he was reincarnated as the Dark Lantern by the Brotherhood of the Cold Flame, a bunch of GLs who'd lost their rings but not their lives at Hal's hands. They sent the Dark Lantern to kill Hal, but he ultimately failed. Hal had Oa and the Central Power Battery recreated while he was the Spectre, which allowed Kilowog's soul to rest, and then Kyle Rayner and Ganthet restored him to life later on.

He rejoined the GL Corps as their equivalent to a drill sergeant, responsible for making real Lanterns out of raw recruits, and he's currently one of the central figures of the Green Lantern Corps comic, along with Guy Gardner, Salakk, Soranik Natu, Isamot Kol, and Vath Sarn. He's contrasted a lot with Salakk in the GLC comic book, since Kilowog basically gets the Lanterns prepared for the dirty work of being a Lantern while Salakk orchestrates all their missions and gives the orders straight from the Guardians themselves.

And thank you Corp :up:

A few more questions about Kilowog. Where does he ranks in terms of the most capable/best lanterns to come around? From what I've read he is supossed to be one of the best. Also does anyone know how long his race lives for?

[The Question]

A few more questions about Kilowog. Where does he ranks in terms of the most capable/best lanterns to come around? From what I've read he is supossed to be one of the best.

He's pretty much the all around badass of the Corps. The only one more badass than him is probably Mogo.

Also does anyone know how long his race lives for?

No. Why?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He's pretty much the all around badass of the Corps. The only one more badass than him is probably Mogo.



No. Why?


A. Sweet :up:

B. Curious. So is it safe to assume since he comes from a planet/race far more advanced than our's that it is likely his race has a much longer life span?

[ddm92392]

What is his race anyway?

[Kitsune]

What is his race anyway?

He's an Ewok, that's what the look like when they grow up.

[The Question]

B. Curious. So is it safe to assume since he comes from a planet/race far more advanced than our's that it is likely his race has a much longer life span?

I guess. They might and they might not.

[ddm92392]

He's an Ewok, that's what the look like when they grow up.

Oh that explains it lol.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He's an Ewok, that's what the look like when they grow up.


No, he's a Bolovax. Batnkevlar posted a link on the last page that explains a lot about him. :up:

[ddm92392]

oh thanx.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

:up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He's pretty much the all around badass of the Corps. The only one more badass than him is probably Mogo.



No. Why?


Yeah but isn't Mogo a sentient living planet?

[The Question]

Yeah but isn't Mogo a sentient living planet?

Yes. I don't see how that detracts from his badassery.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes. I don't see how that detracts from his badassery.


Do his powers only come from the power ring or does he have powers on his own?

[The Question]

Do his powers only come from the power ring or does he have powers on his own?

He's capable of reaching into people's minds and making illusions based on their deepest fears and desires (although the illusions may be constructs from his ring). Because of this, he sometimes serves as the Corps' de facto shrink.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ah, well ok then. :up:

[Tropico]

There was also mention recently that without Mogo the rings wouldn't be able to find replacements for their slain wearers.

[Drakon]

Trop, off topic for a second, but I can't place your avatar. What's it from, bro?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

There was also mention recently that without Mogo the rings wouldn't be able to find replacements for their slain wearers.


Hmm, so has he been around sin ceh e begining then?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Heading back to one of my earlier questions from a few pages ago.

If DC likes to consider Superman to be their strongest...because he's well...Superman. But it is pretty much common knowledge that Darkseid and Orion are stronger than him.

Where would Imperiex fall?

[Tropico]

Trop, off topic for a second, but I can't place your avatar. What's it from, bro?

That's Chin from the King of Fighters, China/Psycho [psychic] team.

Bah Humbug, I don't think that Mogo was always part of the GL Corps nor its mythos. I remember that the GL would have to find a replacement and pass on the ring, they didn't just fly off to find a replacement on their own. At least that I remember. It could always be retconned that it always happened like that but from the way Abin Sur and other GL's passed on their rings it didn't strike me as feature the rings always had.

Imperiex was probably more powerful than the others you mentioned, even the New Gods were wary of him. Was he the strongest in a physical way? I don't know, I would consider he was more powerful in other ways; especially in regards to energy. Doomsday comes to mind, he beat Darkseid and he beat Superman; he probably had evolved to be stronger than Supes.

But, as the others said, most of the times Supes is as strong as it's needed for him to be and if he isn't strong enough they almost always find a way to upgrade him temporarily.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ah, sounds good. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Which Green Lanterns are currently active on Earth? And out of the Earth bound GLs, which ones are still alive and still posses powers?

[ddm92392]

well lets think I know theres Hal,Guy,Kilowog,Arisia,John im probably missing alot but im going by Sinestro corps.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I thought Guy Gardner was dead?

[ddm92392]

No him and John both were captured by Lyssa Drak last I saw but Jack T. Chance is dead I know that.