The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I wasn't paying attention. I just like mentioning the Speed Force.

[Anubis]

That's okay, I was talking to Kitsune who quoted me.

[TheCorpulent1]

Miscommunication abounds.

[Anubis]

Tis the nature of those who are too lazy to use the quote function.

[Varient]

I've never really understood why Superman would need to breathe under a yellow sun, in the same way as he doesn't need to eat. Oxygen is an integral part of respiration which basically breaks down food into heat. Superman doesn't need food so why would he need Oxygen ? You could argue that its never been established that he doesn't actually need food, but then id argue its ridiculous to suggest that someone who can gain enough energy via radiation absorption to move mountains would require food to sustain his body !

P.S. are supermans powers still psionic in nature ?


I always thought the confusion is caused by the different versions.

The current one (Based on the imperex war) can do w/o oxygen only if he sun dips. I would think that he would need to injest SOMETHING because they still leave him weak enough to require sleep.

Thinking about it,... as efficent as his body is,.. I can't see him ever having to use the restroom either.

The All Star can do w/o everything under a yellow sun.

V.

[yahman]

I always thought the confusion is caused by the different versions.

The current one (Based on the imperex war) can do w/o oxygen only if he sun dips. I would think that he would need to injest SOMETHING because they still leave him weak enough to require sleep.

Thinking about it,... as efficent as his body is,.. I can't see him ever having to use the restroom either.

The All Star can do w/o everything under a yellow sun.

V.

Yeah, the idea of 'Super ****s' is really scary, nearly as bad as Super-premature ejaculation.

I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but i thought sleep was related to mental recuperation rather than physical. Maybe his mind needs sleep but his body doesn't ?

[yahman]

Eh, I can live with the Morph/Proteus (Morpheus), mostly because of my definition of a soul.

I ask, because I was thinking about my re-do of the DC Universe. In any case. I was thinking I'd bring Superman in well after Superheroes were established. Since the DC universe has several Legacy Characters, I would use that to explain why Heroes who had first showed on the seen decades ago were still fightin' strong, or why they appeared in more than one place. Superman would be suspected and mistrusted due to his power levels. Granted there are a lot of extremely powerful characters in the DC universe, correct me if I'm wrong that Supes is among, if not the, most powerful, of the earthbound heroes.

If your going to do that please tell me you would rein visage the explanation of Superman’s powers ?

Id love to do an Else worlds D.C. universe, but make it more realistic than the spandex clichéd original. Basically i was loving Supreme power until it got crap, and i want to do something similar but a bit more philosophically orientated than political.

I know very few would buy it, but id love to see as Superman the archetype Utilitarian, who is forced to take drastic measure to enforce his beliefs upon a corrupt world. Id have the main D.C. characters representing the well most known Ethical theorem through out time. I.e. Wonder Woman = Divine Command, Superman = Utilitarianism, Green Lantern = Immanuel Kant, Captain Atom = Marxism, Lex Luthor = Amoralism, Batman = Virtues and Vices, Ra's A Ghul = Eugenics etc !

Id then adapt a Heroes/Ultimate/Warren Ellis mythos to explain Superpower development.

[TheCorpulent1]

Captain Atom for Marxism? That's an odd choice.

[yahman]

Captain Atom for Marxism? That's an odd choice.

he'd have to become Russian in the process, more like 'Commandant Atom'.

I like the idea of Captain Atom as a bad guy, its just being executed really badly at the moment.

I appreciate you not ****ting all over my ideas, i was half expecting a tsunami of abbuse !

[yenaled]

I won't **** over it, but, know behind this friendly message box is a man screaming at the idea of someone wanting to make Captain Atom a bad guy.

Why not just use Major Force - who IS essentially a bad Captain Atom having gone through the same X-Ionizing treatment in Project Atom.

[yahman]

I won't **** over it, but, know behind this friendly message box is a man screaming at the idea of someone wanting to make Captain Atom a bad guy.

Why not just use Major Force - who IS essentially a bad Captain Atom having gone through the same X-Ionizing treatment in Project Atom.

i suppose you could use Major Force, but id rather keep the number of super powered individuals down.

Anyway some would argue that Marxism isn't actually bad, a bit short sighted but its 'heart in the right place'.

~Waits to be burnt to the stake, by the CIA ~

The thing about the ethical theories is that they create great conflicting scenarios that appeal to a greater sense of what is Good. Therefore you don't have to appeal to the stereotypical notions of Good vs Evil.

[Harlekin]

he'd have to become Russian in the process, more like 'Commandant Atom'.

I like the idea of Captain Atom as a bad guy, its just being executed really badly at the moment.

I appreciate you not ****ting all over my ideas, i was half expecting a tsunami of abbuse !
That's pretty short-sighted. Followers of Marx don't all originate from Russia, and they're certainly not by definition bad guys. What you're thinking of is the abuse of Marxism by Stalin, rather than Marxism itself. I also think your choice of philosophers vary too greatly. Marx and Kant talked about very different things in different contexts.

[Anubis]

I only had about half a semester of philosophy before I dropped outta college, so I guess I'll stay outta this conversation.

[WompuM]

Anyone catch the simpsons last nightw/ alan moore and others on it? golden.

watchmen babies: v for vacation

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

DAMN IT! I missed it! :(

[Flash Facts]

It was great how Moore went into that rant about corporations. :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeVOAOIYt6Y

[yahman]

That's pretty short-sighted. Followers of Marx don't all originate from Russia, and they're certainly not by definition bad guys. What you're thinking of is the abuse of Marxism by Stalin, rather than Marxism itself. I also think your choice of philosophers vary too greatly. Marx and Kant talked about very different things in different contexts.

He could be Chinese i suppose or even German (As Marx’s was German).

The contrast is the whole point, it causes conflict. I wouldn't want to do a traditional comic, where 'Good' fights ‘evil‘. I prefer the idea that these theories address; i.e. can we ever really say what is Good, and what is evil ?

It just came to me when i was in a Philosophy lecture and i was wondering if there was any means of World Wide application of utilitarianism. i then realised one would literally have to enforce it, for the 'greater good'. I then thought that only Superman would be powerful enough to enforce such a concept and then i began thinking about how the other D.C. characters would react to him.

[Varient]

(raised Eyebrow)

How do you break a shape-changers neck?

Superman Emo-type one each killed the Martian Manhunter of Earth 15 that way.
Shouldn't be possible.

Meh.

[TheCorpulent1]

Depends on what sort of shapeshifter and how quickly the deed is done. If the shapeshifter changes their whole body structure, they'd basically be in that exact body, bones and all, unless they consciously attempt to shapeshift again. If someone strong and fast enough broke their neck before they could attempt to shapeshift into something else, they'd probably die.

[Anubis]

They shoulda just had him burn him alive with his heat vision.

[Harlekin]

He could be Chinese i suppose or even German (As Marx’s was German).

The contrast is the whole point, it causes conflict. I wouldn't want to do a traditional comic, where 'Good' fights ‘evil‘. I prefer the idea that these theories address; i.e. can we ever really say what is Good, and what is evil ?

It just came to me when i was in a Philosophy lecture and i was wondering if there was any means of World Wide application of utilitarianism. i then realised one would literally have to enforce it, for the 'greater good'. I then thought that only Superman would be powerful enough to enforce such a concept and then i began thinking about how the other D.C. characters would react to him.
I'm not talking about contrast. I'm talking about the fact that Marx and Kant and Nietzsche and all those guys talked about different things in different contexts. They pretty much all operate from a different set of parameters, and as such, to properly portray all those movements would be an unnecessary headache.

Also, the question is not so much "what is good and what is evil" but more "can we recognize the difference between good and evil". The philosophies you mentioned all have a clear definition of what's good and what's evil. It's about people being able to discern between the two.

[TheCorpulent1]

They shoulda just had him burn him alive with his heat vision.
I don't know why creators don't go for the obvious weakness exploitations more often. Seriously, so many sucky comic fights could've been a hundred times better if the writer or artist or whoever just took a moment to think about each character's respective powers and what would be most effective.

[WompuM]

Well, he did a good job killing Zod at least.

[Anubis]

What could Deathstroke have done to have taken Rayner down in Identity Crisis? Cuz what he did was total bulls**t.

[TheCorpulent1]

He could've whipped out some kind of super-high-pitched sonic device that would ruin Kyle's concentration. No focus, no willpower, no constructs, hence Kyle would just be a highly distracted dude with no real fighting skills.

[Aristotle]

Id have the main D.C. characters representing the well most known Ethical theorem through out time. I.e. Wonder Woman = Divine Command, Superman = Utilitarianism, Green Lantern = Immanuel Kant, Captain Atom = Marxism, Lex Luthor = Amoralism, Batman = Virtues and Vices, Ra's A Ghul = Eugenics etc !OK, I see Wonder Woman and Superman. I'd much prefer to see Luthor tackle Objectivism. Batman should be Humanism. Captain Atom should be Existentialism. Ra's Al Ghul should be Deep Ecology. Green Lantern should be...something...Plastic Man should be absurdism.

Id then adapt a Heroes/Ultimate/Warren Ellis mythos to explain Superpower development.No, use their philosophies to explain them. For example, by embracing the absurdity of the universe, at the deepest level possible, Eel O'Brien has become something of a living avatar of that very absurdity.

[Aristotle]

I like the idea of Captain Atom as a bad guy, its just being executed really badly at the moment.If you like the idea of Captain Atom as a bad guy, make him a capitalist objectivist. There's nothing bad-guy about trying to redistribute unfairly gained wealth among people who have been denied an opportunity to achieve any semblance of upward mobility.

[LouFerignoDemon]

If you like the idea of Captain Atom as a bad guy, make him a capitalist objectivist. There's nothing bad-guy about trying to redistribute unfairly gained wealth among people who have been denied an opportunity to achieve any semblance of upward mobility.

I take you enjoy socialistic ideas? (Just curious.)

[yahman]

OK, I see Wonder Woman and Superman. I'd much prefer to see Luthor tackle Objectivism. Batman should be Humanism. Captain Atom should be Existentialism. Ra's Al Ghul should be Deep Ecology. Green Lantern should be...something...Plastic Man should be absurdism.

No, use their philosophies to explain them. For example, by embracing the absurdity of the universe, at the deepest level possible, Eel O'Brien has become something of a living avatar of that very absurdity.

Never heard of Objectivism and i still don't understand how Existentialism works. I thought The categorical imperative would work well with the Guardians ideals of objective universal laws. I like plastic man being the Avatar of absurdism, but im keeping the Sci-fi explanation of the powers. I thought Batman could be a practitioner of Rawls theorem of Justice, and the Martian Manhunter could be a pan dimensional version of George Berkley, therefore representing Idealism.

[yahman]

I'm not talking about contrast. I'm talking about the fact that Marx and Kant and Nietzsche and all those guys talked about different things in different contexts. They pretty much all operate from a different set of parameters, and as such, to properly portray all those movements would be an unnecessary headache.

Also, the question is not so much "what is good and what is evil" but more "can we recognize the difference between good and evil". The philosophies you mentioned all have a clear definition of what's good and what's evil. It's about people being able to discern between the two.

Actually their theories vary immnesly from one another, especially in goals and the justification of thier rules.

What is good and evil also conflicts especially when it comes to specific situations.

[BrianWilly]

He could've whipped out some kind of super-high-pitched sonic device that would ruin Kyle's concentration. No focus, no willpower, no constructs, hence Kyle would just be a highly distracted dude with no real fighting skills.He should have killed Kyle's mom.

:dry:

[WompuM]

Both Lois and Jimmy know he's superman.

[Harlekin]

Actually their theories vary immnesly from one another, especially in goals and the justification of thier rules.

What is good and evil also conflicts especially when it comes to specific situations.
Uhm, yeah, I never said they didn't vary. What I'm saying is is that Marx talked about these things in a wholly different context than Kant. What I meant was that all of the theories have, for theirselves, a clear boundary between good and evil. It's about the distinction between those two, not the definition.

[yahman]

Uhm, yeah, I never said they didn't vary. What I'm saying is is that Marx talked about these things in a wholly different context than Kant. What I meant was that all of the theories have, for theirselves, a clear boundary between good and evil. It's about the distinction between those two, not the definition.

This is getting a bit semantic now, so i think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think i could sucessfully argue that in the case of metaphysical concepts such a Good, evil etc its hard to actually define the word, therefore necessary to set parameters but infact alot of 'normal' definitions require such treatment. This is infact as useful as a definition.

But once again, that is semantics.

just one last thing. Altough not all the theories set out to metaphysically explain both good and evil, the theories do set out to justify their claims which could be construed as a definition in the case of Utilitarinism (Hapiness = Good) and a distinction in the case of Categorigal Imperative ( Good = carrying out ones duty).

[Blacklight]

Has there been any comics with Superman and Zatanna working together (or fighting) without the JLA?

[BrianWilly]

Adventures of Superman #644, collected in the trade "Ruin Revealed," is a Superman/Zatanna team-up story. That's the only thing I remember.

[TheCorpulent1]

He should have killed Kyle's mom.

:dry:
That would've just pissed Kyle off. He should have killed Kyle's mom and then revealed that Kyle himself was indirectly responsible for her death in possibly the most roundabout way ever. That's Kyle's true weakness.

[Anubis]

How about if he made a sex tape with Jade?

[TheCorpulent1]

He'd probably have destroyed it by now, considering she cheated on him and stole his apartment.

[Anubis]

Pfft, I take you've never made a sex tape then. Guys don't destroy those. They download them, and show the world how freaky that b***h is, all over the Internet.

[TheCorpulent1]

And the internet makes fun of their penises in return. :)

[WompuM]

Hmm.... Kyle is an artsy type though, and if Moulin Rouge taught me anything, artsy guys have huge talents.

[BrianWilly]

What, seriously? Ewan McGregor has one of the smallest...talents...I've ever seen in my life.

I can prove this:cmad:.

[Ultra-Herald9]

What, seriously? Ewan McGregor has one of the smallest...talents...I've ever seen in my life.

I can prove this:cmad:.


Been watching Trainspotting much?:woot:

[WompuM]

WHAT!?! Ewan McGregor has a huge talent. Like Aquafina bottle. I thought this was common knowledge. He was packing in that movie. Thats why him and Liam Nielson were paired as jedis i thought.

[BrianWilly]

...What...the heck kind of Jedis live in your galaxy?
Been watching Trainspotting much?:woot:See, I love how you can even name the exact movie.:hyper:

[sethcohen]

hey, im looking for that font that has all the superhero logos in it! can someone help?

[Ultra-Herald9]

WHAT!?! Ewan McGregor has a huge talent. Like Aquafina bottle. I thought this was common knowledge. He was packing in that movie. Thats why him and Liam Nielson were paired as jedis i thought.

:huh::huh::huh::huh:











wow....

[Blacklight]

Has Superman ever entered the Speed Force?

[BrianWilly]

Nope. I don't even know that much about the Speed Force, and I can say pretty definitively, nope.

[Fledermaus]

Didn't all the Flashes take Superboy-Prime into the Speed Force? That doesn't answer the question, but it did happen, right?

[BrianWilly]

Technically they didn't go into the Speed Force itself, but somewhere a bit different.

[The ?ion]

Superboy Prime was trapped for several years, in a pocket dimension within the speed force. But he escaped in what seemed like minutes in standard time. However, that does not count as "going into the speed force." Especially in regards to Superman doing it. Supes top speed is around light speed. The Flashes (excluding Garrick) are one with time and speed itself. They can exceed the limits of light speed. Superman isn't quick enough to enter the speed force.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Superboy Prime was trapped for several years, in a pocket dimension within the speed force. But he escaped in what seemed like minutes in standard time. However, that does not count as "going into the speed force." Especially in regards to Superman doing it. Supes top speed is around light speed. The Flashes (excluding Garrick) are one with time and speed itself. They can exceed the limits of light speed. Superman isn't quick enough to enter the speed force.

Yeah, Crazyf**k-Prime has proven himself far faster than our clarky and weren't they shunted off to some alternate earth? Also, I'm pretty sure Jay can exceed Light too, he just can't do those utterly crazy speed feats like the others.

[batnkevlar]

I'm under the impression that Superman is not light speed running material... anything exceeding light speed is shunted to the Speed Force, so the Flashes all run a little under light speed... as in this example:

In JLA: Trial By Fire, the Flash evacuates all of Chongjin, North Korea in .00001 seconds, so that they won't be disintegrated by the atomic bomb... that means, in slow motion (almost still motion from the Flash's perspective), he ran around all around a city, gathered everyone, and lifted them to a different location... that's really REALLY fast, something even Superman can't accomplish... but even though it's really fast, and is almost light speed, light speed is even faster... so I personally believe the Flashes run a little under light speed, and Superman is a couple machs...

[Fledermaus]

Superman's speed isn't really ever shown consistently. unlike the Flash(es) there doesn't seem to be any strict rules about how fast he can go. I guess it's at the writer's discretion.

[BrianWilly]

He's never been at light-speed, though, and he's always been portrayed slower than any of the Flashes except maybe Jay OYL. That much is very consistent and very definite.

[Varient]

He's never been at light-speed, though, and he's always been portrayed slower than any of the Flashes except maybe Jay OYL. That much is very consistent and very definite.

Co-Signed.

[Flash Facts]

The Flashes have ran faster than light speed without being absorbed into the speed force. The speed force lies beyond the speed of light but that doesn't necessarily mean that breaking the light speed barrier automatically pushes them into the speed force.

[batnkevlar]

Really? I always assumed it did... any references?

[batnkevlar]

I have the "Secret Origins Featuring the JLA" TPB, with the Flash pages opened... lemme know if I'm wrong... it says:

"In time, [Wally] not only EQUALED Barry's achievements, he surpassed them, by breaking the barrier of lightspeed. In doing so, he learned what no other FLash had: the secret of his amazing power. The peedsters, it seems, draw their velocity from an extradimensional field that lies beyond the speed of light."

So there are a couple facts hidden in this paragraph: 1) No other Flash, at least at that point, has surpassed the light barrier and 2) the Speed Force is beyond the light barrier (whether or not it's RIGHT after the barrier is up for grabs) though

it's safe to assume, from the sentence structure, that the Speed Force IS right past the light barrier...

[TheCorpulent1]

It's definitely beyond the light barrier. In the Blitz arc, Wally borrowed Jesse Quick's speed and accelerated so fast that his eyes had to adjust to seeing light differently because it was slower than he was. He didn't wind up in the Speed Force then.
He's never been at light-speed, though, and he's always been portrayed slower than any of the Flashes except maybe Jay OYL. That much is very consistent and very definite.
In Superman #191, Clark had to push himself past light speed to get out of a black hole. He also raced (and lost to) the Flash at the beginning of the issue. Here's the cover to it:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/83756635410.191.gif

[batnkevlar]

Clark going anywhere near lightspeed is ridiculous...

[batnkevlar]

but I'm not saying it didn't happen...

[CBG]

It's definitely beyond the light barrier. In the Blitz arc, Wally borrowed Jesse Quick's speed and accelerated so fast that his eyes had to adjust to seeing light differently because it was slower than he was. He didn't wind up in the Speed Force then.

In Superman #191, Clark had to push himself past light speed to get out of a black hole. He also raced (and lost to) the Flash at the beginning of the issue. Here's the cover to it:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/83756635410.191.gif

Actually, that's not entirely true. Superman nearly approached lightspeed, but still remained unable to get out of the double black hole. His trapped companion helped him. I can't remember the specifics, but he basically opened the portal back wide enough for Superman to fly through with his speed before he was sapped of the energy.

It's been awhile since I read the issue though, so I could be wrong at some instances.

Though, Superman in space is capable of FTL flight. Thrice demonstrated.

[BrianWilly]

In Superman #191, Clark had to push himself past light speed to get out of a black hole. He also raced (and lost to) the Flash at the beginning of the issue. Here's the cover to it:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/83756635410.191.gifYou sure? A quick look at online summaries tells me that he only got close to lightspeed...

Sigh...too bad I can't "get" that issue "somehow" anymore...

[CBG]

You sure? A quick look at online summaries tells me that he only got close to lightspeed...

Said summaries are correct. The stated speed Superman was flying at within the black hole were close to lightspeed.

Of course, one can argue that Superman could fly around, least move within a black hole (especially 2) is clearly FTL speed.

But that is probably negated that in the the issue, the "double black hole" actually produced some sort of space-time junction, and thus allowed such movement.

But then Superman was unable to move later, closing his near-lightspeed flight with "0 feet per second". . .

*goes back and forth on the issue*

[Flash Facts]

Well the reason why max keeps hoping into the future is becuase he hits light speed but bounces off the speed force wall. Savitar also did this. I'm pretty sure Walter and Wally are able to traverse space, dimensions, and time by running faster than light.

In " The Human Race" Wally outraces instantaneous travel so he had to be moving faster than light speed then.

In issue #137 the neutral space in between normal space and the speed force is show.

[TheCorpulent1]

Walter and Wally just vibrated their molecules to other dimensions' frequencies to get there, didn't they? I thought it was just time travel that required FTL speed, hence Max's time-hopping when he went faster than light and bounced off the Speed Force barrier.

About Superman #191, it's been a while since I read it too. I could be wrong. I do vaguely remember that entity Superman was hanging out with boosting his speed somehow, so even if he did go faster than light, it wasn't entirely under his own power.

[LouFerignoDemon]

They moved through dimensions most recently by vibration of molecules.

They used to have a cosmic treadmill, where achieving FTL speeds apparently did the same. o.o

[Flash Facts]

Well I think faster than light travel is needed to traverse into parallel universes at least because thats how Wally ended up in Walter's universe and thats how Walter ended up in our universe. Vibrating works for other dimensions within their universes but it may also works for parallel universes because thats how Wally got back home. So it might be an "either or" kinda thing.

[CBG]

In " The Human Race" Wally outraces instantaneous travel so he had to be moving faster than light speed then.

After absorbing the kinetic energy generated by everyone on Earth at max (most of humanity and meta-humanity ran) and his radio-friend-racing-opponent (who was as fast as Wally).

[Flash Facts]

After absorbing the kinetic energy generated by everyone on Earth at max (most of humanity and meta-humanity ran) and his radio-friend-racing-opponent (who was as fast as Wally).

Yes, but Wally has run faster than that under his own power since then, and Krakkl was not as fast as Wally. Wally had to help Krakkl keep up with him when he escaped the black hole in that issue.

[CBG]

Yes, but Wally has run faster than that under his own power since then, and Krakkl was not faster than Wally. Wally had to help Krakkl keep up with him when he escaped the black hole in that issue.

Understandable -- it has been a while since I read the Human Race arc. Still, it's not as if Wally can do that all the time -- humanity and speedsters (Energy Superman, Jay, Kid Flash, Max, and Jesse as well I think?) also gave their kinetic energy to Wally.

[sethcohen]

hey, im looking for that font that has all the superhero logos in it! can someone help?
anyone?

[Anubis]

You should take the lack of a response as a no.

[sethcohen]

i could, but i do take into consideration the short attention span some seem to be stricken with here...

[Anubis]

...what were you talking about?

[Flash Facts]

Understandable -- it has been a while since I read the Human Race arc. Still, it's not as if Wally can do that all the time -- humanity and speedsters (Energy Superman, Jay, Kid Flash, Max, and Jesse as well I think?) also gave their kinetic energy to Wally.

Well all he has to do is draw on more of the speed force. In the very next arc, The Black Flash, he ran faster all by himself. I believe he also runs faster than light in Chain lighting, Dark Flash Saga, Blitz and even the in JLA: Trial By Fire book mentioned earlier though the text is misleading.

[Fledermaus]

hey, im looking for that font that has all the superhero logos in it! can someone help?

It's called Warlord. Here you go. http://www.rasalghul.co.uk/font.php?

[sethcohen]

thanks!
see, my stubborn refusal to accept no for an answer has paid of again!

[Anubis]

That is AWEsome.

[sethcohen]

i love america. we get rewarded for being pushy, ignorant and selfish and punished for being polite and modest!

[Fledermaus]

I actually knew about the font the whole time. But I'm an a$$hole. And being an a$$hole is an important aspect of being an American. AMERICA FTW!!!

[CBG]

Well all he has to do is draw on more of the speed force. In the very next arc, The Black Flash, he ran faster all by himself.

Ah. Indeed.

I believe he also runs faster than light in Chain lighting, Dark Flash Saga, Blitz and even the in JLA: Trial By Fire book mentioned earlier though the text is misleading.

Though, light and an instant aren't compatable.

Is the Trial by Fire book the one where the math was erroneous in assessing Wally's speed evacuating Korea from a nuke?

[Flash Facts]

Though, light and an instant aren't compatable.

Yea, that statement was more addressed to the earlier discussion of if The Flash can run faster than light without going into the speed force.

Is the Trial by Fire book the one where the math was erroneous in assessing Wally's speed evacuating Korea from a nuke?

Yup.

[CLARKY]

well I have a stupid question and I didn't want to open a thread just for this : could someone please!, post pics of Alex Nero, the villain of GL ?
I only find one, the one on wikipedia.

[trustyside-kick]

Were the issues of JLA Classified #1-3 (Ultramarine Corps) good? How about JLA Classified #26-31 (Sacred Trust)?

I was told they had some good Aquaman moments in them. I've read a lot of Aquaman stuff, but not many of his appearances in team books/stories.

[Harlekin]

JLA Classified #1-3 is pretty cool.

[Superunknown]

I been using Wkipedia to catch up on most of this stuff, but when and how did Parallax get ahold of Kyle Raynor? He always seemsd a little yellow anywayz... And with the apperance of Kal-L in JSA. #10 what do you guys think the new Crisis is gona be about?

And I hope they clear up the whole Supergirl confusion, didn't she die in CoIE? Who's this new Supergirl with a bad attitude? It's amazing how much you can miss in a year or so...

[Harlekin]

Yes, Supergirl died in CoIE. CoIE restarted the universe though. This Supergirl is Kara Zor-El. The new universe's Kara Zor-El.

[Superunknown]

Yes, Supergirl died in CoIE. CoIE restarted the universe though. This Supergirl is Kara Zor-El. The new universe's Kara Zor-El.So what your're saying is it is Kara but not the classic Kara Zor-El that died in the CoIE? In computer terms, would you say it's like a system restore on your computer? LOL! But now we have this brash, attitudity RENDITION of Supergirl.

[Anubis]

I been using Wkipedia to catch up on most of this stuff, but when and how did Parallax get ahold of Kyle Raynor? He always seemsd a little yellow anywayz... And with the apperance of Kal-L in JSA. #10 what do you guys think the new Crisis is gona be about?

And I hope they clear up the whole Supergirl confusion, didn't she die in CoIE? Who's this new Supergirl with a bad attitude? It's amazing how much you can miss in a year or so...

Kyle as Ion, got kidnapped basically by the Sinestro Corps and taken back to the Anti matter Universe. There, there, they told him that the litte virial S-Corps member killed his mama. That, and the beating lowered his guard just enough for Parallax to take him over. They pretty much forced it down his throat.

The Supes that showed up in JSA was not Kal L. It was Kal El from Earth 27 or whatever Earth they decided to make Kingdom Come Earth. So, he's the Superman from the Mark Waid and Alex Ross epic.

[Hush]

That is so stupid what they did to Kyle I really have to read that story but that is just dumb.

[Harlekin]

So what your're saying is it is Kara but not the classic Kara Zor-El that died in the CoIE? In computer terms, would you say it's like a system restore on your computer? LOL! But now we have this brash, attitudity RENDITION of Supergirl.
That's accurate, yeah.

[Superunknown]

Kyle as Ion, got kidnapped basically by the Sinestro Corps and taken back to the Anti matter Universe. There, there, they told him that the litte virial S-Corps member killed his mama. That, and the beating lowered his guard just enough for Parallax to take him over. They pretty much forced it down his throat.

The Supes that showed up in JSA was not Kal L. It was Kal El from Earth 27 or whatever Earth they decided to make Kingdom Come Earth. So, he's the Superman from the Mark Waid and Alex Ross epic.Seems to be a lot villians that want to kill Kyle's mom, is she really dead this time? I can remember some guy tried to kill her at the end of Kyle's GL run just before Rebirth started. What's been the Corps response to that kidnapping?

Yeah you're right, it's not Kal-L the gray hair throws me off LOL! I can remember Marvel claiming that they killed off Spider-Man's clone because there's no room in the MU for 2 guys with the exact same powers. DC seems to be able to do this with some added spice that Marvel just doesn't have.

[Anubis]

Seems to be a lot villians that want to kill Kyle's mom, is she really dead this time? I can remember some guy tried to kill her at the end of Kyle's GL run just before Rebirth started. What's been the Corps response to that kidnapping?

Yeah you're right, it's not Kal-L the gray hair throws me off LOL! I can remember Marvel claiming that they killed off Spider-Man's clone because there's no room in the MU for 2 guys with the exact same powers. DC seems to be able to do this with some added spice that Marvel just doesn't have.

She's really dead this time. They went to try and rescue him. Kyle killed a GL. When the Corps invaded Earth they were able to separate him from Paralax though, so now he's just a plain old GL again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Parallax killed a GL. If Hal gets all his sins wiped away because of a retarded cosmic entity, Kyle does too.
Were the issues of JLA Classified #1-3 (Ultramarine Corps) good? How about JLA Classified #26-31 (Sacred Trust)?

I was told they had some good Aquaman moments in them. I've read a lot of Aquaman stuff, but not many of his appearances in team books/stories.
Sacred Trust is great. Easily the best story either of the Classifieds have had. It felt thoroughly like a huge big seven adventure in the style of Morrison, Waid, and Kelly, and Aquaman is given his due as king of a sovereign nation.
The Supes that showed up in JSA was not Kal L. It was Kal El from Earth 27 or whatever Earth they decided to make Kingdom Come Earth. So, he's the Superman from the Mark Waid and Alex Ross epic.
Earth-22, I think.

[Superunknown]

Parallax killed a GL. If Hal gets all his sins wiped away because of a retarded cosmic entity, Kyle does too.

Sacred Trust is great. Easily the best story either of the Classifieds have had. It felt thoroughly like a huge big seven adventure in the style of Morrison, Waid, and Kelly, and Aquaman is given his due as king of a sovereign nation.

Earth-22, I think.I Wonder what they'll be calling him if he's still around during this next Crisis? We can't have two guys named Superman can we? And I see that nasty lawsuit has caused DC to call re-name Superboy-Prime to Superman-Prime? I still they they should've just payed the Siegals and kept Kon-El around.

[Rando Aces]

Why Would DC want to kill bruce wayne?

[Mister J]

Because it would be 'an event that would shake the DC Universe to its core and things would never be the same again'

...until they bring him back.

[TheCorpulent1]

I Wonder what they'll be calling him if he's still around during this next Crisis? We can't have two guys named Superman can we? And I see that nasty lawsuit has caused DC to call re-name Superboy-Prime to Superman-Prime? I still they they should've just payed the Siegals and kept Kon-El around.
You and me both. Conner was the best Superboy ever. :up:

[CBG]

Well, I can't really say much about Conner. From his debut in Reign of the Supermen up until his death, he never caught my interest. And I'm a YJ fan.

[Superunknown]

Well, I can't really say much about Conner. From his debut in Reign of the Supermen up until his death, he never caught my interest. And I'm a YJ fan.I think they killed him off (to avoid paying royalities/rights or whatever) just when he starting to get interesting. Having better control over his powers, finally getting some kind of non tele-kinesis based strength and the heat-vision.

Whatever happened to his clone "Match"?

[CBG]

Match is still around. Took on a Bizarro-like appearance and speech in Titans East. Jericho possessed him for awhile to keep him under control. After the Duela funeral issue, no idea.

[Superunknown]

Match is still around. Took on a Bizarro-like appearance and speech in Titans East. Jericho possessed him for awhile to keep him under control. After the Duela funeral issue, no idea.Yeah, DC ripped off it's own stuff and lets Match, the Bizarro rip-off run free and us fans of Superboy lose...

[TheCorpulent1]

I think they killed him off (to avoid paying royalities/rights or whatever) just when he starting to get interesting. Having better control over his powers, finally getting some kind of non tele-kinesis based strength and the heat-vision.

Whatever happened to his clone "Match"?
Exactly, he was killed right in his prime, when things were finally starting to look up for him. He was just starting to really embrace the responsibility of being the heir to Superman.

[Superunknown]

Exactly, he was killed right in his prime, when things were finally starting to look up for him. He was just starting to really embrace the responsibility of being the heir to Superman.Who knows maybe they can get Superboy-Prime to take some Anger Management classes and convince him to dress up like Conner for his penance...? LOL!

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, no. The only good thing Superboy Prime could do is die screaming, preferably wetting himself in the process like the childish idiot he is.

[CBG]

Superboy-Prime, Vulcan, and Wanda all whine and throw power tantrums. . .

Wanda was unfortunately under Bendis' writing, hence the character direction.

The first two can just die bloody deaths.

Yeah, I hate whiners.

[Kitsune]

Who knows maybe they can get Superboy-Prime to take some Anger Management classes and convince him to dress up like Conner for his penance...? LOL!

Isn't Penance Speedball?

[Kitsune]

Superboy-Prime, Vulcan, and Wanda all whine and throw power tantrums. . .

Wanda was unfortunately under Bendis' writing, hence the character direction.

The first two can just die bloody deaths.

Yeah, I hate whiners.

You do realize the irony of the fact that you are essentially whining in this post right? :oldrazz:

[CBG]

You do realize the irony of the fact that you are essentially whining in this post right? :oldrazz:

Of course!

But at least I haven't killed anyone yet. Or composed a letter of complaint.

[Kitsune]

Of course!

But at least I haven't killed anyone yet. Or composed a letter of complaint.

SB Prime didn't have the "He needed killing excuse," except for Risk, and he left him alive.

[Fledermaus]

Does any one know why Diamond has this weeks comics coming out on Thursday the 29th instead of Wednesday the 28th? What are they dense? Are they retarded or something?

[Kitsune]

Does any one know why Diamond has this weeks comics coming out on Thursday the 29th instead of Wednesday the 28th? What are they dense? Are they retarded or something?

Nope... The delay was because of the Holiday weekend.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get it; the holidays were all last week. Why does that push this week's deliveries back? :confused:

[CBG]

SB Prime didn't have the "He needed killing excuse," except for Risk, and he left him alive.

Speaking of whom, it seems like Geoff Johns has something against Risk.

[Kitsune]

Speaking of whom, it seems like Geoff Johns has something against Risk.

You think he's one of those Risk avoidance types?

[Fledermaus]

Ba-Dum Cha.

That's f#cking gold, man. :up:

I don't get it; the holidays were all last week. Why does that push this week's deliveries back?

For reals. :huh:

[SpandexFan]

Why does every non-powered human (*cough* Batman *cough*) who faces an enraged or mind-controlled Superman never end up with his head caved in? Why do they even last more than 3 seconds against a guy who can move almost as fast as the Flash, probably has the second most powerful energy beams, and might be the strongest character in the DC universe?

[TheCorpulent1]

Lots of different reasons. Usually it's because Superman's mind is still in there somewhere, fighting against the mind control and pulling his punches just enough to not do any permanent damage.

[yenaled]

Whatever recent Superman issue it was when they thought Superman had been comprimised by mind control and all manner of things came out to stop him doing any damage was excellent.

He also reveals in that when he is mind controlled he uses loads of meditation techniques J'onn has taught him to regain control and prevent his body being used massivly.

[Anubis]

Yeah, Busiek rocks.

[trustyside-kick]

I haven't even heard of it til I was browsing the DC site today, but...is Gotham Underground good?

Also, was the first issue of the Crime Bible mini good?

[SenseiofCheese]

Darkseid is pronounced "Dark-Side" right? I recently heard it pronounced "Dark-Seed" in an interview with a DC writer and got all confused.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've always heard it pronounced "Dark-side."

[trustyside-kick]

Ditto.

[Fledermaus]

Not ditto, Darkseid.

[yenaled]

I've always said Dark-seed.

I remember hearing it as Dark-side on JLU and was annoyed that it was pronounced like that.

[TheCorpulent1]

But... that's how it's pronounced. :confused:

[Manic]

I always thought it was pronounced "dark-side." Just some horrible homonym pun, like Apokolips sounding almost exactly like Apocalypse.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Almost"? They're phonetically the same word. :confused:

[Harlekin]

I'll take "Wow" for 100, Alex.

[Manic]

"Almost"? They're phonetically the same word. :confused:
I actually say "poko" with two long O's in Apokolips, and "poca" with a short O and an "ah" sound in Apocalypse.

[Aristotle]

You're weird.

[Doc Destruction]

I usually say Darkseid with four M's and a silent Q.

[Harlekin]

I actually say "poko" with two long O's in Apokolips, and "poca" with a short O and an "ah" sound in Apocalypse.
Like in 'pookie'. Apookielips? :confused:

[Anubis]

If I had a band, I would name it Apookielips.

[TheCorpulent1]

They'd have to be a nerdcore band.

[Anubis]

I'd have to create my own new genre. It would be called Gun Metal. And everyone in it will sing about dark and brutal things, in a slightly polka/disco mix melody.

[TheCorpulent1]

I will buy twelve copies of your first album in an effort to usher this new death-polka genre to the top of the charts.

[Whirlysplat]

I always thought it was Darkseed till the animated series called him Darkside.

[CBG]

Take the shortcut -- call him Darky.

[Harlekin]

How do people come to the 'Darkseed' conclusion, really?

How can you pronounce 'seid' any different than y'know, 'side'?

[TheCorpulent1]

I used to pronounce it "Dark-sayd." Actually, I used to alternate between that and "Dark-side" because I was never sure. Then I just stuck the cartoon's pronunciation.

Any reasonable pronunciation is valid for names you only see in print, though. Even people within DC are split on some things, like Ra's al Ghul's name: some say "Rahz," some say "Raysh."

[trustyside-kick]

I used to pronounce it "Dark-sayd." Actually, I used to alternate between that and "Dark-side" because I was never sure. Then I just stuck the cartoon's pronunciation.

Any reasonable pronunciation is valid for names you only see in print, though. Even people within DC are split on some things, like Ra's al Ghul's name: some say "Rahz," some say "Raysh."

See, that's what I would've guessed how to say it at first. But I heard people saying "Dark-side" so I went with it. It made sense to me.

[Aristotle]

Take the shortcut -- call him Darky.Bet you didn't really think about that before saying it, did you?

[Aristotle]

See, that's what I would've guessed how to say it at first. But I heard people saying "Dark-side" so I went with it. It made sense to me.Darkside is obvious because of Kirby's tendency to be really, epically ham-handed with things like that.

Highfather's name is Izaya. Ooh, subtle.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, it's true. Others were just as guilty, though. "Kal-El" is obviously derived from Hebrew.

[Aristotle]

Obviously derived, yes, but at the time, it wouldn't be as obvious to the average bear, and furthermore, Izaya isn't a derivation of Isaiah. It's just a misspelling of the same exact word.

[Kitsune]

Haha, it's true. Others were just as guilty, though. "Kal-El" is obviously derived from Hebrew.

It means Bright Star in Elvish.

[Spike_x1]

I heard it means "Anal leakage" in Klingon. :huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

For those who read Countdown To Mystery, how're ya likin it?

[Harlekin]

Dr. Fate story is pretty good. The Eclipso story is down right retarded.

[Aristotle]

Boy, Wildstorm Prime was great this week, huh?

Ya think Hawksmoor and the other guy are dead, or just hurtin'?

[Colossal Spoons]

Dr. Fate story is pretty good. The Eclipso story is down right retarded.

Is Eclipso a major part of the story? I'm already wishing she'd get far away from Mary Marvel in Countdown

[Aristotle]

Is Eclipso a major part of the story? I'm already wishing she'd get far away from Mary Marvel in CountdownI'm thinking Eclipso is about to BE Mary Marvel. Either that, or Mary's about to whup Eclipso's ass from here to next year.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hopefully Mary keeps the new skirt though :o

[batnkevlar]

Supposedly Eclipso is going back to his previous owner...

[Aristotle]

What, that Alex guy from JSA?

Wait, no, not Bruce Gordon. Why do they have to completely **** up a half-century of characterization like that?

[BrianWilly]

For those who read Countdown To Mystery, how're ya likin it?The Dr. Fate story is excellent on all levels. The quality of the Eclipso story depends on how well you deal with Plastic Man and his son being written obscenely out of character in an otherwise tolerable plotline. Eclipso herself doesn't appear that much, but both stories take up about 50% of each issues' space.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well considering I know jack squat about Plastic Man(bitter-sweet in this situation), I should be alright :up:

[yenaled]

As the Eclipso story moves more into focusing on Crispus Allen in an active host for the Spectre (not a passive observer like he was in the Tales of Mystery story) I think it will become a better story.

[Miss Webb]

Is Superman's costume too tight? :oldrazz: I mean, let's face it. Dere ain't much left to the imagination...and for the people who don't like the underwear on the outside, just THINK about what it could mean if Supes just wore a bodysuit....:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

It would mean that there's nothing wrong with a little Superpackage action every now and then. :o

[Fledermaus]

http://movies.go.com/i/features/superman/crotch2.jpg

[Manic]

Why do you think Lois never recognized Clark & Superman as the same guy? She wasn't looking at his face.

[Fledermaus]

That's actually Lois's superpower. She can recognize a cock at thirty yards.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why do you think Lois never recognized Clark & Superman as the same guy? She wasn't looking at his face.
The Superpackage is the male equivalent to breasts.

[Manic]

It's difficult to tell with still pictures, but Superman is subtly thrusting at all times.

[TheCorpulent1]

One of his extra powers held over from the Silver Age. :up:

[Miss Webb]

Why do you think Lois never recognized Clark & Superman as the same guy? She wasn't looking at his face.

And Clark wears baggy, pleated pants to hide all his manly goodness. Not that Lana is fooled, though. :cwink:

[Ultra-Herald9]

And Clark wears baggy, pleated pants to hide all his manly goodness. Not that Lana is fooled, though. :cwink:

Indeed, as she's got wh0re-ray vision.





alas, that joke was of the poorest quality.:csad:

[CBG]

Why did you think Lana fell in love with him all those years ago?

[WompuM]

Jesus, we need a whole separate thread for people to ask why people cant tell clark is superman. terrible joke people. let it die.

[Manic]

Jesus, we need a whole separate thread for people to ask why people cant tell clark is superman. terrible joke people. let it die.
This isn't about Clark's double identity. This is about the distracting powers of his superpackage.

[Ultra-Herald9]

This isn't about Clark's double identity. This is about the distracting powers of his superpackage.


As it is mesmerizingly glorious.

[Visionary]

So, this is what DC Comics fans talk about all day...

[Manic]

DC's books are so good, we readers can go on for hours just talking about the characters' spectacular crotches.

[Laplace_Zombie]

What the hell's wrong with demonoid?

[Aristotle]

It's gone, man. I know it was a subtle hint, but I think they were trying to say Demonoid's been shut down when they posted this in place of the website:

The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.

We have brought online a forum in order to help the community stay together. This forum is not file sharing related in any way, it's just a mean to help the community stay together - please read the forum rules before posting.

You can visit the forum by clicking here

[yenaled]

You do know this thread is for stupid questions regarding DC comics, not, any question?

[Miss Webb]

Why did you think Lana fell in love with him all those years ago?

Could it be the same reason she confessed to wanting to jump his bones when he was nursed to health recently? http://scosoft.com/s/c/7dcab77a.gif

And the big doof thought she'd undressed him herself while unconscious. Perhaps Supes could wear an all white body suit? It would be pure and wholesome. Or something.

[Miss Webb]

Jesus, we need a whole separate thread for people to ask why people cant tell clark is superman. terrible joke people. let it die.

You mean he ISN'T? I'm crushed...those glasses had me fooled all these years! http://scosoft.com/s/n/4cc2da12.gif

[GyLocke]

Can someone tell me what's Luthor been up to lately? Last time I saw him he went back to some wierd goofy mad scientist mode, putting together a "Superman revenge squad" to kick Zod's kryptonian ass.
What happened to that? IS Lex still a clown or he returned to his former self?

[TheCorpulent1]

He's still wearing his badly colored armor, but he seems to be his conniving mastermind self a little more in JLA.

[trustyside-kick]

Did this occur in GLC #18 or something? Because I have been keeping up with the awesome story that has been Sinestro Corps War, and all of a sudden in Countdown we see Superboy-Prime as "Superman-Prime" and wearing a different suit.

So, did this change occur in GLC #18? I have yet to get around to picking it up.

[yenaled]

It'll happen at the end of Sinestro Corps, which hasn't been released.

DC decided that their "spine of the DCU" should actually run ahead of normal stories.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not quite. They saw that the Sinestro Corps War crossover was developing very organically to be bigger than what they'd intended, and they decided to just let it grow. That pushed the timeline for SCW past where it needed to be for Countdown to sync up, but they went ahead with it anyway for the sake of SCW as a story and trusted that people would just deal with the spoilers in Countdown. It's not a big deal, really. I don't think anyone was actually expecting Kyle Rayner or Superdick Prime to die in SCW.

[trustyside-kick]

I figured that was the deal, because after all we have seen Kyle in Countdown for some reason when he is in SCW.

[CBG]

Could it be the same reason she confessed to wanting to jump his bones when he was nursed to health recently? http://scosoft.com/s/c/7dcab77a.gif

And the big doof thought she'd undressed him herself while unconscious. Perhaps Supes could wear an all white body suit? It would be pure and wholesome. Or something.

I was making a joke of the Superpackage.

[yenaled]

Not quite. They saw that the Sinestro Corps War crossover was developing very organically to be bigger than what they'd intended, and they decided to just let it grow. That pushed the timeline for SCW past where it needed to be for Countdown to sync up, but they went ahead with it anyway for the sake of SCW as a story and trusted that people would just deal with the spoilers in Countdown. It's not a big deal, really. I don't think anyone was actually expecting Kyle Rayner or Superdick Prime to die in SCW.

I'm kind of annoyed that Prime is now visibly 30 with no explanation rather than spoiling the ending to SCW. He's also wearing a Kryptonian Regeneration Suit which really suggests that he does die in SCW.

[TheCorpulent1]

If that is a regen suit and he didn't just take a black costume to further cement his emoness.

[BrianWilly]

Oh, they explained his looking 30, actually, in one of the recent issues; he's so overloaded with sunlight now that his physique and mus-kles are grotesquely pumped out, giving him the appearance of a middle-aged man.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I know.

But maybe that's the way it works in Earth-Prime.

[TheCorpulent1]

So, after a couple of years of absorbing sunlight on Earth-Prime, if it'd survived, Superdouche Prime would've not only been the only superpowered person on his world, he'd also have been the only cartoonishly overmuscled person on his world, too?

[Doc Destruction]

And he would have had to be drawn by Rob Liefeld!

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't wish that even on the worst character. And by "worst character" I mean, of course, Superboy Prime.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, are "Countdown" and "Countdown To Final Crisis" 2 different books?

[yenaled]

Oh, they explained his looking 30, actually, in one of the recent issues; he's so overloaded with sunlight now that his physique and mus-kles are grotesquely pumped out, giving him the appearance of a middle-aged man.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I know.

But maybe that's the way it works in Earth-Prime.

Yeah, that's what Myx said wasn't it.

Myx is also a 5th dimensional imp who can change his shape and form at will but can't get rid of some facial surface scarring on from Prime for some reason. :(

[Harlekin]

Ok, are "Countdown" and "Countdown To Final Crisis" 2 different books?
No.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ty.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's what Myx said wasn't it.

Myx is also a 5th dimensional imp who can change his shape and form at will but can't get rid of some facial surface scarring on from Prime for some reason. :(
Prime's suckage is infectious. It makes other characters suckier than normal and unable to do basic things with their powers.

[Aristotle]

Did this occur in GLC #18 or something? Because I have been keeping up with the awesome story that has been Sinestro Corps War, and all of a sudden in Countdown we see Superboy-Prime as "Superman-Prime" and wearing a different suit.

So, did this change occur in GLC #18? I have yet to get around to picking it up.Well, he was referred to as Superman-Prime in the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime one-shot.

Not quite. They saw that the Sinestro Corps War crossover was developing very organically to be bigger than what they'd intended, and they decided to just let it grow. That pushed the timeline for SCW past where it needed to be for Countdown to sync up, but they went ahead with it anyway for the sake of SCW as a story and trusted that people would just deal with the spoilers in Countdown. It's not a big deal, really. I don't think anyone was actually expecting Kyle Rayner or Superdick Prime to die in SCW.Thank you for being reasonable and not taking EVERY opportunity to jump on DC and Dan Didio. I still can't figure out why Didio and DC get so much flak and Joe Q and Marvel basically get a free pass.

Myx is also a 5th dimensional imp who can change his shape and form at will but can't get rid of some facial surface scarring on from Prime for some reason. :(Actually, he specifically said that he would be fine, because of his powers. I think he left it that way for either dramatic effect to show his wife, or just for whatever reason. But he'll back to normal eventually.

Did anyone else read that story as "The End of Mxy Stories Forever"?

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you for being reasonable and not taking EVERY opportunity to jump on DC and Dan Didio. I still can't figure out why Didio and DC get so much flak and Joe Q and Marvel basically get a free pass.
I think people just expect ****ty continuity from Marvel. Before IC, DC had pretty tight continuity between its books at that time, if not necessarily in its past. Everything was really well coordinated. Since OYL, everything has completely fallen apart and very, very few of DC's books are even remotely as good as they were before it.

[Aristotle]

DC did have a remarkably tight continuity in its books before IC, which is something I was really excited about. I was just getting back into comics when Graduation Day came out, which is when that sort of continuity really started kicking into high gear, and I loved it. And that has fallen off a bit post-IC. Countdown, instead of helping, has hurt it. I acknowledge all this and more.

But the quality of DC's books is still so superior to what Marvel has EVER offered. Marvel has always been about flat, one-dimensional characters, just a different way of doing the Silver Age. Instead of being flatly heroic, they're flatly anti-heroic. DC, on the other hand, responded by presenting characters with actual personalities, yet they're seen as being consistently reactive for forty years.

Beyond that, more to the point of current criticisms, Marvel is just as much of a cluster**** as DC is right now, if not more, yet fanboys ***** and ***** and ***** about DC--not just the continuity thing, EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. Something that would have gone virtually unnoticed at Marvel gets reamed at DC.

"OMG!!!11!!1! THERE ARE TEH GAE jOKES IN COUNTDON!@!"

Amazons Attack is criticized for mischaracterizing the Amazons, while Civil War gets a free pass for mischaracterizing the entire nation of the USA. And so on and so forth. It's just more of the comic fan groupthink that dominates so much of the scene. A few influential guys, on a few influential message boards, react to something, and so everyone else does too, on every other message board.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I wouldn't categorically call either Marvel or DC's comics better than the other's. There are good comics and bad comics at both companies.

I understand some of your frustration in other people's views of the companies, though. I hate hearing that Marvel is "more realistic" than DC. They're all comics about guys in tights, ****wads. Realism need not apply.

[CBG]

One More Day.

****ing Quesada.

[Aristotle]

Thank you for that, CBG. My sentiments exactly.

Corp, I also recognize that it's unfair and simplistic to seriously say that Marvel has never put out anything decent, especially since after reading the first twelve issues of Astonishing X-Men I fell in love with the X-franchise and am currently feverishingly stocking up on every X-series, miniseries, and one-shot ever with a zeal surpassed only by my obsession with doing the same for Batman. I also have long had an affection for Captain America and Ghost Rider.

But in general, I feel that Marvel is substandard compared to DC, and for some weird reason is viewed as infinitely superior. The strange worship of Stan Lee, possibly the hackiest writer to ever put pen to comic-book paper, also mystifies me.

And yes, I did just say that Stan Lee is more of a hack than Rob Liefeld.

[Anubis]

I agree with you on Stan Lee being a hack. His dialog was atrotious, but so was pretty much everybody at the time. Back when comic writing was looked down upon and quite frankly it should have been. Wasn't really until the 80's or so when guys with some serious talent as actual writers started producing comics. So when you think about it, Stan was pretty much par for the course. I will say this though, the guy could create some great characters. You gotta give him that.

Truth is, by believing that Marvel is substandard compared to DC you're no better than those that feel that Marvel is infinitely superior. It's the Mac/PC argument. One company is not better than the other. As long as you can buy stuff, and look at porn, it doesn't matter who made it or what your operating system is. Marvel, DC, Image, don't mean s**t. It's all comics. Some good, some bad. By the good ones and f**k all the rest. That's how you stop being a marvel zombie, or a dc fanatic, and become a comic fan. Who in fact pwns all others. :o

[Aristotle]

I agree with you on Stan Lee being a hack. His dialog was atrotious, but so was pretty much everybody at the time. Back when comic writing was looked down upon and quite frankly it should have been. Wasn't really until the 80's or so when guys with some serious talent as actual writers started producing comics. So when you think about it, Stan was pretty much par for the course. I will say this though, the guy could create some great characters. You gotta give him that.I think Lee was worse. Whereas a lot of the guys writing in those early decades (Eisner, Kirby, etc.) seemed to be writing DOWN to the medium, watering down their craft to fit the expectations of the time, Lee seemed perfectly happy to wallow in that low level of intellect. This is evidenced by the fact that unlike all the other writers from that era, who eventually grew up and wrote real ****, Lee never did. Read anything by him in the last few years, such as the Who Wants to be Another Cash-Cow For Stan Lee to Rake in Big Bucks, Bob Kane-Style, For "Creating" a Genre That Actually Owes Him Nothing and In Fact Owes Much More to Underappreciated and Underexposed Talents Like Jack Cole? tie-in comic about that ****house character Feedback. That comic reads exactly like any craphouse issue from 1963.

Truth is, by believing that Marvel is substandard compared to DC you're no better than those that feel that Marvel is infinitely superior.You can trace overarching strategies in the companies. DC, for example, can't resist doing crossovers all the damn time, and they never seem very willing to give characters to the creators who deserve them. Marvel, on the other hand, has a rich tradition of throwing ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING against the wall and seeing what sticks, of cheap sensationalism that makes the Death of Superman and Knightfall look like thoughtful, provocative storytelling, messy continuity, and complete lack of respect for the characters' integrity or for the readers' intellect.

Oh, and they have an ******* for an EIC, who was never on time with his work and never gave a **** about readers or the people he worked with, and is now imposing his own nancy-boy moral constructions on fictional characters who deserve better. Suddenly, there's no such thing as tobacco in the Marvel Universe. The stupidest retcon of all, and maybe, when it all comes down to it, the least realistic, in a medium that claims to be as much about characters as it is about the crazy backdrops against which they live their lives. I mean, Dr. Strange corking a black hole, I can suspend my disbelief. A guy shooting lasers out his eyes and freeze-breathing? I can suspend my disbelief. But if you ask me to believe in a world in which NOBODY just needs to sit down and let the day's troubles float up into the air on a cloud of sweet, sweet tobacco smoke...that's just Goddamned ridiculous.

it doesn't matter who made it or what your operating system is.I really detest Mac's operating system because it tries to second-guess you and it assumes you don't know **** about computers, therefore disallowing you from doing anything remotely customized with your computer. I detest Windows Vista for the same reason. All the dickweed Mac nerds who just liked to lord their Macciness over the common folk by saying how much better Macs were (even though REAL nerds, who actually KNOW **** about computers, switched to Linux years ago) have finally convinced Windows to cater to Mac-*******s.

[trustyside-kick]

Yeah, that's what Myx said wasn't it.

Myx is also a 5th dimensional imp who can change his shape and form at will but can't get rid of some facial surface scarring on from Prime for some reason. :(

That Zatanna from that one Earth was keeping Myx's powers locked up away from him. Remember? That's why she was even there. Then at the end of the issue she gives them back to him and he is like "omg you are teh awesomez".

[trustyside-kick]

I just read the '03 DC/Marvel Crossover which was JLA and Avengers, and I noticed something. Sure, the story may not be in canon (at least I wouldn't think it would be cause it's a company crossover), but the book pointed out several things with each "universe".

From what I saw, Magic is a lot more powerful and chaotic in the DCU. So shouldn't an extremely talented Magic-User be a lot powerful than Marvel's Doctor Strange? It pisses me off greatly when I hear about how powerful Strange is, yet he doesn't do ****. Then I read the Crossover and they point out a few things and apparently DC's magic is superior.

[Aristotle]

I just read the '03 DC/Marvel Crossover which was JLA and Avengers, and I noticed something. Sure, the story may not be in canon (at least I wouldn't think it would be cause it's a company crossover), but the book pointed out several things with each "universe".

From what I saw, Magic is a lot more powerful and chaotic in the DCU. So shouldn't an extremely talented Magic-User be a lot powerful than Marvel's Doctor Strange? It pisses me off greatly when I hear about how powerful Strange is, yet he doesn't do ****. Then I read the Crossover and they point out a few things and apparently DC's magic is superior.A lot of DC characters are written as more overpowered in general, but yes, magic does stand out that way. Even Wanda's "no more mutants" bit is something I could see Zee pulling off any day of the week, no sweat.

[Aristotle]

That Zatanna from that one Earth was keeping Myx's powers locked up away from him. Remember? That's why she was even there. Then at the end of the issue she gives them back to him and he is like "omg you are teh awesomez".Meh, I think Mxy was ****in' with all of them the whole time.

[Anubis]

First of all: It is in continuity in the DCU, as it was referenced in the Busiek run on JLA a few years ago.

Second: Magic in general isn't necessarily more powerful in the DCU, just the functions of Chaos(which was where Wanda supposedly drew her power from, which is why she was so much more powerful in the DCU. That since has been retconed) and Order, which at the time were the main components to magic in the DCU. After Day of Vengeance, that is no longer the case.

Third: Strange is very much powerful. If the only thing you've ever seen him in is bendis' freakin' Avengers books, then I can see how you can come to such a conclusion, but had you read some of his stuff in his own book, or the Defenders, you'd know he's pulled off feats that make pretty much everybody outside of the Spectre look like armatures. I s**t you not.

Lastly: Zatanna couldn't do any such thing as what Wanda ended up doing. She's never been that powerful. Changing the very fabric of the universe, wiping out mutants not just in her universe, but throughout the very multiverse, off the utterance of a couple of words? No. Water into wine? Bank Robber into Sheep? Make a crowd of onlookers forget the last ten minutes of there lives? Sure. Sticking her hand behind the curtain and changing the very fabric of the universe? Not so much. Besides, that wasn't magic what Wanda did, that was Reality alteration, which apparently, is what she always had done. Magic was never really involved. (Damn Bendis retcons. No Chaos magic. :rolleyes: )

[CBG]

Actually, with the House of M What If?, there may be Wandas of other realities possessing the same, reality warping power. On what scale throughout, is debatable.

[Anubis]

This is true, but when you're dealing with Marvel, there are always the continuity errors to deal with. In the end, what do you believe? A 5th week one shot or two actual issues that takes place in the MU were Doctor Strange and Beast have confirmed it, as well as the fact that it took place in the Age of Apocalypse Earth were Wanda was very much dead and so were the Avengers at the time.

[Aristotle]

First of all: It is in continuity in the DCU, as it was referenced in the Busiek run on JLA a few years ago.I meant to say that too, actually. One of my favorite things about the crossover, actually that it's in continuity.

After Day of Vengeance, that is no longer the case.I think it still is, they just haven't been structured yet like they were in the previous age.

Lastly: Zatanna couldn't do any such thing as what Wanda ended up doing. She's never been that powerful. Changing the very fabric of the universe, wiping out mutants not just in her universe, but throughout the very multiverse, off the utterance of a couple of words? No. Water into wine? Bank Robber into Sheep? Make a crowd of onlookers forget the last ten minutes of there lives? Sure. Sticking her hand behind the curtain and changing the very fabric of the universe? Not so much.Wanda hadn't shown the ability to do anything on that level either, until she did it. Zee is like a living power ring. She can do anything she imagines, as long as she can find a way to say it backwards. She's frozen the moon in place. She's shown cosmic-level control over reality. Frankly, she looks a lot more powerful than Wanda did before House of M.

[Aristotle]

The other thing Doctor Strange confirmed in the issue you're talking about, Anubis, is that what Wanda did was magical in nature.

[TheCorpulent1]

Magic is a part of reality, so maybe Wanda shifted magical stuff around in the process of altering reality. I still think her power itself is just a biological mutation. Franklin Richards could do much the same and he's never been tied to magic.

[CBG]

This is true, but when you're dealing with Marvel, there are always the continuity errors to deal with.

In the end, what do you believe? A 5th week one shot or two actual issues that takes place in the MU were Doctor Strange and Beast have confirmed it, as well as the fact that it took place in the Age of Apocalypse Earth were Wanda was very much dead and so were the Avengers at the time.

I'm aware of that. I'm debating whether just the 616 Wanda is the only Wanda in the multiverse that can reality warp multiversally.

Either:

1) All Wandas are able to reality warp universes in addition to their own.

2) Some Wandas altered multiple universes while other Wandas only altered theirs.

3) 616 Wanda affected most of the other universes while every other Wanda altered only their respective universe.

Originally, Wanda only altered the 616 reality, as stated in Exiles. Endangered Species now retconned that out.

As for her powers, it's Chaos Magic. Despite the retcon Bendis made, it's been retconned back in.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe 616 Wanda's alterations had ripples that hadn't gotten out to the rest of the Omniverse by the time they checked in Exiles, but had by the time Strange and Beast checked in ES.

[WompuM]

What exactly is happening in One More Day?

[Aristotle]

Maybe 616 Wanda's alterations had ripples that hadn't gotten out to the rest of the Omniverse by the time they checked in Exiles, but had by the time Strange and Beast checked in ES.Together, Corp, you and I will find some twisty-turny way to explain away every retcon ever, and we will revel in the glory of a tight, if convoluted, continuity, Hypertime and Crises be damned.

Sometime I'll have to tell you how I figured out that the pre-Worldstorm "snowflake" WildStorm Universe, retconned out in favor of WildStorm being Earth-50, could coexist with The 52.

[Aristotle]

What exactly is happening in One More Day?Long story short, Peter Parker is selling his marriage to Mephisto so his Aunt May can have her life unnaturally extended. Because certain *******s think marriage doesn't belong in comics. There are SO many things wrong with this storyline. I want to punch someone.

AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE OR GIVE A **** ABOUT SPIDER-MAN.

[Fledermaus]

Is this the Marvel stupid questions thread or what? Goddamn. F#ck Marvel.

[WompuM]

That's some Freudian ***** right there. he wants aunt may's ass more than doc ock does.

[WompuM]

Is this the Marvel stupid questions thread or what? Goddamn.

Oh chill out. It's not like I said anything racist...

[Anubis]

Actually, MJ is the one who makes the deal, and in return for breaking up the marriage, she gets super powers and becomes a hero named Jackpot......yeah.

[WompuM]

Alright alright enough. I can't take anymore.

[CBG]

And all this because the editor dislikes the marriage and the Mary Jane character.

[Anubis]

Well, at the very least, once this s**t is over with, we'll get a Dan Slott written ASM with McNiven on art. It's almost worth the crap to come.....almost.

[Aristotle]

Actually, MJ is the one who makes the deal, and in return for breaking up the marriage, she gets super powers and becomes a hero named Jackpot......yeah.Wait, that's a joke, right?

[BrianWilly]

That's certainly one way of putting it...

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, at the very least, once this s**t is over with, we'll get a Dan Slott written ASM with McNiven on art. It's almost worth the crap to come.....almost.
No, it's not even close. That's just a marketing ploy to wash away whatever sales hit OMD might have normally taken from fans who like the marriage. And the vast majority of fans will gladly eat it up because, frankly, comic book fans are stupid.

[Miss Webb]

And all this because the editor dislikes the marriage and the Mary Jane character.


And has bad taste in clothing style. That "JackPot" costume is downright fugly...what, disco is making a comeback? I thought MJ was wearing one of Dazzlers old costumes.

A "777" belt buckle? Cripes.:bomb:

[Miss Webb]

Prime's suckage is infectious. It makes other characters suckier than normal and unable to do basic things with their powers.

Like Mixy told Prime...

Body = Stud
Rod = Dud

3 inches, dude. Stump City. Saaaad....no wonder he's emo. :woot:

[Miss Webb]

WHAT!?! Ewan McGregor has a huge talent. Like Aquafina bottle. I thought this was common knowledge. He was packing in that movie. Thats why him and Liam Nielson were paired as jedis i thought.

It was a "falsy" I think...:oldrazz: Stuffing tissues down there...

[Aristotle]

Is this the Marvel stupid questions thread or what? Goddamn. F#ck Marvel.:up::D

[Miss Webb]

:up::D

LOL, embarrassing...slipped on a banana peel. *reads title thread again*

[CBG]

Wait, that's a joke, right?

Unfortunately, nope.

[CLARKY]

Sorry to be repetitive but :
well I have a stupid question and I didn't want to open a thread just for this : could someone please!, post pics of Alex Nero, the villain of GL ?
I only find one pic, the one on wikipedia.
thanks.

[MagicPrime]

Sorry to be repetitive but :

thanks.

There was an issue of GL post rebirth during Kyle's second Ion days with a good picture of him.

[Anubis]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/395px-Nero01.jpg

[CBG]

Bizarro Marvel characters. Yay or nay?

Quite frankly, I'm just laughing over thinking how a Bizarro Thor would talk.

[CLARKY]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/395px-Nero01.jpg
Thanks Anubis, but I stated in my post that I could only find one pic, the one on wikipedia, and that was this one. Sorry, thanks anyway. If you know other pics of Nero, it is quite impossible to find one!
There was an issue of GL post rebirth during Kyle's second Ion days with a good picture of him.
I didn't remember, and I have not my Ion mini seire with me nor my post Rebirth GL books, is there a way someone please post the pic. Thanks Magicprime.

[yenaled]

I found this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/395px-Nero01.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh. :D

[Anubis]

maybe i'll go home and scan a pic from Ion. If I feel like it.