The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[WompuM]

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[TheCorpulent1]

Got a question for longtime Legion fans: What's so special about Dawnstar? I seem to recall much rejoicing over her appearance someplace or other, but I just read the Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes arc in Action Comics, which she plays a big part in, and I didn't see what the fuss was about. She's a tracker with big boobs and wings. :huh:

[Aristotle]

A lot of Legion fans just get orgiastic about seeing this Legionnaire or that one, because they spend most of their lives getting tightassed about which writer got rid of which character in which reboot, and which artist totally couldn't draw which character, and blah blah blah...let me tell you something, even though the Legion has long been one of DC's most mature, adult, innovative, and exciting character franchises, pretty much since its inception in the Silver Age, Legion fans are petty, annoying, Godawful fanboys and fangirls who couldn't accept change if it came with a ten-billion dollar cash bonus.

[Varient]

Got a question for longtime Legion fans: What's so special about Dawnstar? I seem to recall much rejoicing over her appearance someplace or other, but I just read the Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes arc in Action Comics, which she plays a big part in, and I didn't see what the fuss was about. She's a tracker with big boobs and wings. :huh:

By Superman standards she has "mild" SuperStrength and invulneability, and can crowd lightspeed while traveling in space
AND
she can track "anything" while toting double D's.

[TheCorpulent1]

A lot of Legion fans just get orgiastic about seeing this Legionnaire or that one, because they spend most of their lives getting tightassed about which writer got rid of which character in which reboot, and which artist totally couldn't draw which character, and blah blah blah...let me tell you something, even though the Legion has long been one of DC's most mature, adult, innovative, and exciting character franchises, pretty much since its inception in the Silver Age, Legion fans are petty, annoying, Godawful fanboys and fangirls who couldn't accept change if it came with a ten-billion dollar cash bonus.
Odd given that the Legion's undergone more changes than even the present-day DC universe.

[Silicon Surfer]

The original pre-crisis Dawnstar could travel way beyond lightspeed and even crack the time barrier under her own power and did not need a space suit or ship to travel in space. She could also navigate by coordinates without equipment.

[Varient]

The original pre-crisis Dawnstar could travel way beyond lightspeed and even crack the time barrier under her own power and did not need a space suit or ship to travel in space. She could also navigate by coordinates without equipment.

I know.

The same could be said for Pre crisis Superboy, Superman, Supergirl, Mon-el, Ultraboy.

Post Crisis seems to be grounded more on actual physical laws and reduced power levels to make for better stories.

[Silicon Surfer]

I know.

The same could be said for Pre crisis Superboy, Superman, Supergirl, Mon-el, Ultraboy.

Post Crisis seems to be grounded more on actual physical laws and reduced power levels to make for better stories.

Whether it is currently closer to actual physical laws is debatable. Personally I don't think that they are at all closer. Look at Superman. They have him powered by stored solar energy despite the fact that solar energy doesn't have 1/1000th of 1% of the energy to power even his flight let alone his other powers. They may have reduced the power levels but is no closer to reality than it ever was.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What's going on with the Sinestro Corps saga right now?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mongul's forming his own splinter group within the Sinestro Corps' ranks while a small group of Green Lanterns including Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner try to round up all the Sinestro Corps rings and send them back to the Guardians.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So Kyle is no longer infected by Parallax

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he was lucky enough to be touched by the exuberant greatness that is Hal Jordan, which cured him of all his ills and set him back upon a righteous path. Praise be to the almighty Jordan!

Or so Johns would have you believe, anyway.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No, he was lucky enough to be touched by the exuberant greatness that is Hal Jordan, which cured him of all his ills and set him back upon a righteous path. Praise be to the almighty Jordan!

Or so Johns would have you believe, anyway.

Hallelujiah praise the lord!

Can Hal also cure.....
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[TheCorpulent1]

There is no cure for crazy or stupid, let alone both.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not even for almightly Hal Jordan? :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Frayed knot.

[Artistsean]

I don't know if that's the best way to be reading comics, dude. Just seems a little incomplete and patchy.

I am using, or will use, it as reference material for something I am working on. Not readinf ro the fun of it.
Thanks though.

[Docker2.0]

Is Bob Kane still alive? :huh:

[Silicon Surfer]

Is Bob Kane still alive? :huh:

No, he died in 1998.

[Aristotle]

Is Bob Kane still alive? :huh:He's rotting in whichever ring of hell was reserved for those who betray their friends.

[The Question]

That would be the final one, actually. The one with the lake of ice with people eating each other's brains and Judas Iscariot being constantly chewed to death inside the mouth of The Devil himself for the whole of eternity.

[Spike_x1]

Reminds me of rural Canada. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hey Spike x1 your video is no longer available.

[Spike_x1]

Rats**t. We're being deprived of Creed awesomeness. :cmad:

[Aristotle]

That would be the final one, actually. The one with the lake of ice with people eating each other's brains and Judas Iscariot being constantly chewed to death inside the mouth of The Devil himself for the whole of eternity.Is that from Dante? I could have sworn Dante had the final ring for people who did nothing in the face of great struggle. But I mix him up with Milton on occasion.

[The Question]

Is that from Dante? I could have sworn Dante had the final ring for people who did nothing in the face of great struggle. But I mix him up with Milton on occasion.

Nope. The final ring in Dante was for those who betray.

[Docker2.0]

He's rotting in whichever ring of hell was reserved for those who betray their friends.

Explain please. What happened?

[Aristotle]

Explain please. What happened?It's pretty clear that Bill Finger was much more responsible for the creation of Batman than Bob Kane. However, Kane came from a wealthy family, and with his lawyers, was able to secure all credit for the character, basically for all time. He never shared his wealth with Finger, who died fairly poor, alcoholic, and depressed. Kane rarely, if ever, expressed any kind of regret for what had befallen his friend, usually preferring to blame Finger's fate on some mythical establishment that never recognized Finger's talent.

[Docker2.0]

It's pretty clear that Bill Finger was much more responsible for the creation of Batman than Bob Kane. However, Kane came from a wealthy family, and with his lawyers, was able to secure all credit for the character, basically for all time. He never shared his wealth with Finger, who died fairly poor, alcoholic, and depressed. Kane rarely, if ever, expressed any kind of regret for what had befallen his friend, usually preferring to blame Finger's fate on some mythical establishment that never recognized Finger's talent.

Your right then. Dude deserves to be be burning in the eye of hell for that. :wow:

[WompuM]

Meh... free market. He didn't do anything wrong.

[CBG]

Raise the Finger to the true creator of Batman.

[Aristotle]

Meh... free market. He didn't do anything wrong.He didn't do anything illegal. Not the same as not doing anything wrong. Just because the rich always have an advantage over the poor, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for them to constantly take advantage of the poor. If we didn't live in a country and a culture that teaches its people to distrust everyone else and try their hardest to screw each other, this kind of thing wouldn't be the norm.

[Kitsune]

Hallelujiah praise the lord!

Can Hal also cure.....
http://www.listal.com/image/products/220/1900944960/books/dianetics-790.jpg

No, you need the Fonze for that...


May the Fonze be with you...

[WompuM]

He didn't do anything illegal. Not the same as not doing anything wrong. Just because the rich always have an advantage over the poor, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for them to constantly take advantage of the poor. If we didn't live in a country and a culture that teaches its people to distrust everyone else and try their hardest to screw each other, this kind of thing wouldn't be the norm.

What exactly did he owe to Bill Finger? You cannot blame the fact that Kane got a better deal jut because he was "rich" and got "better lawyers." Now, while I'm not familiar with the specifics of any royalty dispute between Kane and finger, you cannot ignore the fact that Kane created Batman and you cannot blame him not sharing his goodies with his friends.

Is it a shame what happened to Bill Finger? Sure. it's a damn shame. He contributed more to Batman than almost anyone else ever has. But to point the finger of blame at Bob Kane because he made money off the bat and Bill didn't is ridiculous.

[Aristotle]

Kane created the name, nothing else. Everything Batman is, was Finger's creation. Finger made Batman appealing as a character. A good man would have included Finger in his exorbitant-royalties-for-all-eternity contract. How hard is that? How hard is it to share your wealth with the people who make it possible? I realize it's not something wealthy people have ever been interested in; it's how they stay wealthy. The people who do all their actual work, they shortchange, and keep all the money for themselves.

But it doesn't make it right.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, if it was good enough for Edison...

;)

[Green Lantern]

WompuM all you need to know is right here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=72964

I mean if you wanted a red and grey Batman with a domino mask, and no playboy Bruce Wayne persona, thats cool, but I'm happier with what Bill came up with.

[SuGarRush]

Kane created the name, nothing else. Everything Batman is, was Finger's creation. Finger made Batman appealing as a character. A good man would have included Finger in his exorbitant-royalties-for-all-eternity contract. How hard is that? How hard is it to share your wealth with the people who make it possible? I realize it's not something wealthy people have ever been interested in; it's how they stay wealthy. The people who do all their actual work, they shortchange, and keep all the money for themselves.

But it doesn't make it right.


Yeah, because all wealthy people are like that. Good point there.

[Dr. Fate]

In which story arc did Hal Jordan begin his brief tour of duty as the Spectre?

[Spike_x1]

Why the hell won't that Got Milk ad stop popping up on every single page of the Hype? :cmad:

[BrianWilly]

In which story arc did Hal Jordan begin his brief tour of duty as the Spectre?It started off in the Day of Judgment miniseries-event.

[Aristotle]

And continued through the fourth Spectre ongoing series. It was OK. The Spectre as redemptive force is an interesting theological consideration, and certainly strong enough to carry a miniseries, and strong enough for such a Spectre to be present throughout the DCU, but not strong enough to carry an ongoing title.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought he worked really well as a background character who appears from time to time. The Spectre's gotta keep up a healthy mystique anyway. Otherwise he becomes boring and we lose the sense of awe-inspiring power he's supposed to have.

[Harlekin]

Disagree. Ostrander's Spectre run lasted over 60 issues and was absolute gold.

The Hal run suffered from every flaw of Mattheis' work (that I've read) if you ask me, a lack of sense of history/continuity. Mattheis has the annoying tendency to take something and just mangle it. See: his Dr. Fate.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ostrander seems to be able to make anything work really well.

[Lobo]

Ostrander's Spectre run is my favorite series ever :)

[Aristotle]

I thought he worked really well as a background character who appears from time to time. The Spectre's gotta keep up a healthy mystique anyway. Otherwise he becomes boring and we lose the sense of awe-inspiring power he's supposed to have.That's how I feel about the Phantom Stranger, who I frankly think is the most powerful character in the DCU, he just never really bothers to use much of his power.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's a big part of my problem with a sustained Spectre series. I know there are ways to keep a super-powerful character super-powerful in his own series, but people seem to have a problem doing it with the Spectre. He's one of the most inconsistent characters I've ever seen.

[WompuM]

What happened to Elijya?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not sure. He probably didn't have time for it anymore. He hasn't been posting as much lately in general.

[Aristotle]

So you're the new Elijya?

Man, the times are a-****in'-changing.

[TheCorpulent1]

****in' right. :o

[Harlekin]

Ostrander seems to be able to make anything work really well.
You got that right.

Ostrander's Spectre run is my favorite series ever :)
:up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What happened to Elijya?

You mean Peck?

[WompuM]

Has commisioner gordon ever been in the batcave?

[CorpusBlack]

Has commisioner gordon ever been in the batcave?

Yes.

[WompuM]

Do you know when?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, who else has been in the Batcave that we wouldn't expect?
You got that right.
His fill-ins were some of the best Aquaman issues from the water-hand run. And he only had two issues.

[CorpusBlack]

Do you know when?

I honestly can't recall off the top of my head. I've read so many Batman comics in my life.

On a side note: Gordon went to the Batcave in the TV series and was overly amazed. Then Batman gassed him and brought him back to his office.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder why Bruce doesn't just tell Gordon who he is. They're more friends than allies at this point.

[cerealkiller182]

I wonder why Bruce doesn't just tell Gordon who he is. They're more friends than allies at this point.

Especially know when Bats has had a change of heart toward closer partnerships and whatnot. But he might do it for liability reasons. Gordon doesnt have to lie about Bats because Gordon really doesnt know.

[CorpusBlack]

I wonder why Bruce doesn't just tell Gordon who he is. They're more friends than allies at this point.

He tried to in 'No Man's Land' to regain Gordon's trust. However Gordon said he didn't want to know and that he's sort of always had a good idea of who Batman is. Bruce actually pulled the mask off but Gordon wouldn't look at him.

[cerealkiller182]

He tried to in 'No Man's Land' to regain Gordon's trust. However Gordon said he didn't want to know and that he's sort of always had a good idea of who Batman is.

I forgot about that. Havent they implied Joker knows too, but he reognizes the difference between killing Bats and killing Bruce

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, I guess. I've always figured Gordon pieced Batman's identity together over the years, but he kept it a secret because of their friendship and as a tacit admission that Batman does Gotham too much good to expose.

[CorpusBlack]

I forgot about that. Havent they implied Joker knows too, but he reognizes the difference between killing Bats and killing Bruce

I think so. I can't remember for sure. I do know that he said what would the fun be in knowing who Batman is.

Riddler figured it out but lost it in his coma.

[WompuM]

I always assumed Joker just though Bruce being bats wasnt funny so he denied it.

[CorpusBlack]

I think Harvey knows as well but I'm not sure. I think maybe he found out somewhere between NML and Face The Face (when he became a hero and then fell).

[TheCorpulent1]

That wouldn't surprise me. Harvey's worked closely with Batman and he's a damn fine detective.

[CorpusBlack]

That wouldn't surprise me. Harvey's worked closely with Batman and he's a damn fine detective.

And Batman hand picked him to protect Gotham in his absence. Batman returning is what pushed him over the edge and made him burn half his face off again. That was an awesome scene.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I thought we were talking about Harvey Bullock. I don't think Two-Face knows Batman's identity.

[CorpusBlack]

Oh, I thought we were talking about Harvey Bullock. I don't think Two-Face knows Batman's identity.

Too many damn Harvey's. I'm not sure if Dent does, I have to re-read Face The Face and NML.

[CorpusBlack]

Does Montoya know?

[cerealkiller182]

I think so. I can't remember for sure. I do know that he said what would the fun be in knowing who Batman is.

Riddler figured it out but lost it in his coma.

O i think thats what i was thinking of in regards to Joker

[WompuM]

I would say Dent knows. Especially in the OYL gap. It's a damn shame they didn't explore that more.

[Aristotle]

I honestly can't recall off the top of my head. I've read so many Batman comics in my life.I feel like it was a Silver Age comic. Maybe the one where Gordon and Perry turned evil or something? Or maybe Superman and Batman turned evil? Could have been Jimmy and Robin turned evil. I can't remember, but I remember it being a World's Finest issue that had Gordon and Perry sneaking into the cave and the Fortress of Solitude at one point.

I forgot about that. Havent they implied Joker knows too, but he reognizes the difference between killing Bats and killing BruceThey have implied it, yeah, but never really stated for sure. And I think you're right that the Joker wouldn't care about killing the obviously false Bruce Wayne personality. It's Batman he wants.

Riddler figured it out but lost it in his coma.Personally, I think he still knows. If he's good enough to know that Dinardo was Nightwing just by how he moved, he's good enough to know who Batman is. He's interacted with Bruce since the coma, after all, and I don't think the coma really knocked it out of his head. He's just an honest-to-goodness good guy now, and he doesn't see the point in pushing it. Damn shame he's getting annihilated in Gotham Underground.

I think Harvey knows as well but I'm not sure. I think maybe he found out somewhere between NML and Face The Face (when he became a hero and then fell).I can't remember anytime when Dent found out.

Oh, I thought we were talking about Harvey Bullock.I don't ever remember Bullock even really trying that hard to find out.

Does Montoya know?No. Crispus Allen/Spectre does, though--and now Batman knows that Crispus is the Spectre.

[Spike_x1]

Are there any examples of Superman drawn by Rob Liefeld? After seeing Rob's new project in the Misc. Comics Forum, I am morbidly curious to see how offended my eyes can get.

[Kitsune]

[QUOTE=Aristotle;13413430 I did just say that Stan Lee is more of a hack than Rob Liefeld.[/QUOTE]

Now tell us what you really think.

[CorpusBlack]

Personally, I think he still knows. If he's good enough to know that Dinardo was Nightwing just by how he moved, he's good enough to know who Batman is. He's interacted with Bruce since the coma, after all, and I don't think the coma really knocked it out of his head. He's just an honest-to-goodness good guy now, and he doesn't see the point in pushing it. Damn shame he's getting annihilated in Gotham Underground.

I think he still knows as well. I picked that vibe up in the Dini written issues.

[Aristotle]

Are there any examples of Superman drawn by Rob Liefeld? After seeing Rob's new project in the Misc. Comics Forum, I am morbidly curious to see how offended my eyes can get.There's another thread in the Misc. forum about Liefeld's ****ty art. I think there's actually two. There's a Liefeld Appreciation thread, and one that links to another site.

Now tell us what you really think.And, coming completely out of left-field with a completely off-topic barb, KITSUNE! But yes, that is still what I think. Rob tries to be a good creator. Lee never gave a ****. It was and is so transparently obvious that he was and is in it to make a buck and nothing more.

[Lobo]

Are there any examples of Superman drawn by Rob Liefeld? After seeing Rob's new project in the Misc. Comics Forum, I am morbidly curious to see how offended my eyes can get.

I could ask him to draw one at NYCC Saturday, but then again Superman is my favorite character so

[Anubis]

I don't think it's Leifeld, but it's certainly Leifeldesque:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/superman-1.jpg

[CBG]

From the anatomy, I bet it is Liefield.

[Aristotle]

I don't think it's Leifeld, but it's certainly Leifeldesque:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/superman-1.jpg
What. In the ****.

[BrianWilly]

I'm pretty sure that's not Liefeld, though. Liefeld has his own...distinctiveness. (http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html)

[Spike_x1]

I don't think it's Leifeld, but it's certainly Leifeldesque:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/superman-1.jpgArgh! Why did I foolishly ask for this punishment?! My eyes!!

[TheCorpulent1]

It's by Angel Medina.

[Aristotle]

And who commissioned Angel Medina to come up with a new Superman costume?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. I just know that's Medina's style.

[trustyside-kick]

Anyone here read Wonder Woman #180-184 (from the series pre-OYL)? I was curious because of the appearance of that one Atlantean villain she has called Queen Clea. Been debating about buying it, but I'm not entirely convinced just yet.

Were those issues Great? Good? Ok? Meh? Crap?

[Aristotle]

Who was writing it at that time?

[Green Lantern]

Jimenez was writing, and while I haven't read his run, I've heard good things about it.

[Aristotle]

Yeah, that was a pretty good run. Pick up the issues.

[WompuM]

I'm pretty sure that's not Liefeld, though. Liefeld has his own...distinctiveness. (http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html)

Thank you for making my day with that article. Did Leifield not draw the boob-a-rific Captain America?

[Green Lantern]

Yes, yes he did. :csad:

[Manic]

I don't think it's Leifeld, but it's certainly Leifeldesque:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/superman-1.jpg
Is... is he hurt? He looks like he's in incredible pain. Plus his spine looks like it's shattered in multiple places, and his arms look kinda broken and jagged.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Angel Medina's not very good, as far as I'm concerned. He's still better than Liefeld, though. He kinda sorta knows how the human body works, at least.

[Lobo]

I just Googled Angel Median Superman into image search, the one above is the first thing that pops up the second is this

http://www.angelmedinaart.com/images/dc/superman2.jpg

[Anubis]

Heh, I kinda dig that.

[Aristotle]

I hate postmodernism. A guy who clearly can't draw Superman (see the first image) decides to just cash in on his own abysmal skills by making it a caricature, and I'm sure he now gets work on the strength of work like the second image.

[TheCorpulent1]

He drew Spawn for a good, long while, and he recently was on the Spectacular Spider-Man series.

[Anubis]

He does a pretty good Spidey.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think I've ever liked his rendition of any characters. His art is a classic example of an artist that just doesn't know when to stop. It's all overdone.

[Aristotle]

Like an overachieving Rob Liefeld.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's better than Liefeld, at least.

[Manic]

Debatable.

[Aristotle]

I don't know why some people get a free pass when Liefeld doesn't. I mean, Marc Silvestri? How can anyone like that guy's work when Liefeld is so unpopular? That's part of the reason I think that most fanboys still do actually like that style, but the trendsetters hate it, and there's no logical reason to like it, so they made Liefeld a sacrificial lamb and pretended Silvestri and Medina and Churchill were any different.

[Manic]

Churchill is bad, but it's the kind of bad I can ignore.
This was my first time seeing Medina's art, and it sucks.
I refused to read Phoenix: Warsong and X-Men: Deadly Genesis because I was afraid Silvestri was doing interior art in addition to covers.

I'm also not a fan of Bachalo, but he has so many defenders, I've learned to shut up about it.

[Aristotle]

Churchill is bad, but it's the kind of bad I can ignore.They're all that way. Liefeld, Medina, Silvestri, a lot of Jim Lee's stuff...it's all bad that I can ignore. Honestly, I didn't know that Liefeld pencilled those two issues of Teen Titans until about a year later when someone told me.

I'm also not a fan of Bachalo, but he has so many defenders, I've learned to shut up about it.Meh, he can be good and he can be bad. He was a lot of fun on pre-Messiah Complex X-Men. He made a lot of sense for that era of post-House of M, but still not really as dark as it could be X-men.

[Lobo]

Aristotle who is your current favorite artist?

[Aristotle]

Would you believe me if I said I didn't really have one? I'm much more about the writing.

[Lobo]

Well who do you at least like of the current crop of DC artists? What about someone like Ivan Reis?

[Manic]

Meh, he can be good and he can be bad. He was a lot of fun on pre-Messiah Complex X-Men. He made a lot of sense for that era of post-House of M, but still not really as dark as it could be X-men.
I will admit that I liked Bachalo's work on Death. He needs to stay away from action sequences, though.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know why some people get a free pass when Liefeld doesn't. I mean, Marc Silvestri? How can anyone like that guy's work when Liefeld is so unpopular? That's part of the reason I think that most fanboys still do actually like that style, but the trendsetters hate it, and there's no logical reason to like it, so they made Liefeld a sacrificial lamb and pretended Silvestri and Medina and Churchill were any different.
I hate Silvestri, Medina, and Churchill, so I'm covered. I do have a soft spot for Silvestri's run on Wolverine with Larry Hama, but only because those were some of the first Wolverine comics I ever read and I was young and impressionable. I look back on them and feel embarrassed. :(

[Aristotle]

I hate Silvestri, Medina, and Churchill, so I'm covered. I do have a soft spot for Silvestri's run on Wolverine with Larry Hama, but only because those were some of the first Wolverine comics I ever read and I was young and impressionable. I look back on them and feel embarrassed. :(It's OK, buddy. I used to think Concrete was deep.

[Aristotle]

Well who do you at least like of the current crop of DC artists? What about someone like Ivan Reis?Ivan Reis is good. Ethan Van Sciver, of course. Latter-day Jim Lee, when he can turn the damn art in on time. Frank Quitely is unbelievable, although I think he cribs a lot of his Superman from Tim Sale and then lightens it up for Morrison's scripts. Cassaday needs to finish up the last Planetary issue. Gary Frank's quite good. Jim Starlin's always good. Don Kramer's doing a fine job on Nightwing, and Rags just finished up some stellar work on BatCon. I don't know, I'm basically just going down the list of comics getting released this month and seeing which names jump out at me as being ones I like, or remind me of someone I like.

Comic book art, for me, is always ancillary to story. I can easily wade through ****ty art for good story. That doesn't mean I don't love good art, but it does mean I can tolerate ****ty art.

[TheCorpulent1]

Love Reis, not a fan of Van Sciver (he overdoes things and his anatomy is often shaky), Jim Lee's good, Quitely is godlike, Cassaday is even more godlike, Gary Frank is about equal with Cassaday, not a fan of Starlin (he draws wonky torsos and very samey faces on everyone), Kramer's all right, Rags is awesome but his older style was better.
It's OK, buddy. I used to think Concrete was deep.
It's not? I've never read it, but I thought it won a crapton of awards.

[Aristotle]

It's not? I've never read it, but I thought it won a crapton of awards.It's not bad or anything, but it's mostly just overwrought, overdone emotion and seriousness. Kinda like 95% of hiptrendyindie comix. Love and Rockets, Blankets, Speak of the Devil, Concrete...I like them all, but what it's taken L&R years and years to say, Bill Watterson could say in one well-drawn panel. So yeah, I guess if you really want to know who my favorite sequartist is, Lobo, it's Bill Watterson. He is the alpha and omega of comics.

[Hush]

Is it wrong to say that Jim Lee is your favorite artist?

[Aristotle]

Kinda.

[BrianWilly]

It's not that wrong. It's easy to see why someone would like Jim Lee. His style is active and dynamic. His action scenes leap off the page. He draws handsome men and beautiful women, even if the visual differences between said individual handsome men/beautiful women are...finite. And he does it all with a remarkable amount of detail that even the most skilled artists often have difficulty with. He's good. There's no shame in thinking that.

[Anubis]

It just makes you look kinda shallow.

[TheCorpulent1]

His style may be synonymous with the awful, flashy crap from the early '90s, but Jim Lee, unlike many of his Image cohorts, actually has a hell of a lot of talent and skill. He draws very exaggerated men and women and his linework is way too busy 9 times out of 10, but take a step back and look at the actual anatomy and the storytelling in his comics and you'll find yourself looking at the work of a man who's mastered the craft of action comic art. His style is a relic of a bygone era, but his talent and skill are undeniable. I don't think there's any shame in liking his art or calling him your favorite artist. I personally think there are better, but there are a damn sight more pros on Lee's list than cons.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I agree, he has come a long way unlike many of his peers from the time. Take a look at X-Men in the early/mid 90's and look at his work now. He really has grown as an artist. Personally I do like his art, like Corp said not my personal favorite but I enjoy looking at his work.

[Artistsean]

Does Scott Free, Mister Miracle, have any powers?
If so, what are they?
and
If not, why doesn't the true son of High Father have any powers?

[Varient]

Does Scott Free, Mister Miracle, have any powers?
If so, what are they?
and
If not, why doesn't the true son of High Father have any powers?

He has all the "baseline" powers of the new Gods,.. Greater than human strength and durability and access to the Anti-life Equation.

As far as I know,... And I got that by asking that question here.

[Kitsune]

He's better than Liefeld, at least.
That's holding him to very low standards.

[Aristotle]

Access to the ALE is NOT a baseline New God power. Scott just happens to have that power. He's also the universe's greatest escape artist.

Like almost all New Gods, he rolls with a Mother Box. He has flying discs.

[J. J. Jameson]

Continuity-wise, which DC books are most important?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ummmmm....none?

[J. J. Jameson]

Ummmmm....none?

That bad, huh?

[TheCorpulent1]

Countdown is basically the linchpin of the continuity at the moment.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I wouldn't be the best source to answer that, but from what I gather DC continuity isn't that great.

[J. J. Jameson]

Countdown is basically the linchpin of the continuity at the moment.

But I hear it sucks. :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, it does. But it's still important for understanding where the DC universe as a whole is moving.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nope, that's what we have you for Corp :up: :D

[yenaled]

Countdown is hardly the crux of continuity in the DCU with only 1 issue left.

[Lobo]

Final Crisis will be the most important at that point.

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly. JLA is pretty big too, I guess.

[Lobo]

Booster Gold :ninja:

[TheCorpulent1]

That's more concerned with the continuity of previous events right now.

[J. J. Jameson]

Oh, it does. But it's still important for understanding where the DC universe as a whole is moving.

*sigh* It's always the sucky things. Thanks for the help, anyway. *worships*

[Aristotle]

I'd say Final Crisis is big, anything by Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison is big, and Trinity is big.

I saw that Superman's next issue has a different story than solicited; does anyone have the original solicitation?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Seriously, how awesome is All-Star Superman? :D :up:

[CorpusBlack]

Seriously, how awesome is All-Star Superman? :D :up:

I should read it. The only Superman title I've been getting is 'Superman/Batman' which I haven't been impressed w/ lately.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You should, it's awesome. I haven't read a lot of Superman but this feels right for his character.

[Spike_x1]

All-Star Supes isn't really my cup of tea, but I can see why a lot of people enjoy it. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah not everyone has to like it. I mean there are a lot of people that don't like The Dark Knight Returns or Invincible and so on. Not everyone has to like everything :up:

[Artistsean]

I was just wondering about Scott Free because it seems like he almost has no powers, and he is the son of High Father. I mean Orion seems very powerful, but Scott Free almost seems human.
Just wondering,
How powerful is High Father?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm not sure it has ever been mentioned. I think unlike Orion whose power you can easily grasp from his physical ability, High Father's power is much different, as to how powerful he is, not sure.

[Lobo]

I was just wondering about Scott Free because it seems like he almost has no powers, and he is the son of High Father. I mean Orion seems very powerful, but Scott Free almost seems human.
Just wondering,
How powerful is High Father?

He has the Alpha Effect which is rarely utilized, it's kind of the direct opposite of 'Seid's Omega Effect and he shoots the beams from his hands, he used it in his series in the late 90's which only ran for 7 issues but was awesome IMO

[TheCorpulent1]

Scott Free really is a giant wuss compared to the other New Gods. It's sad. :(

[Spike_x1]

At least he's better than Virman Vundabar. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

His name's definitely better. :up:

[The Question]

Scott Free really is a giant wuss compared to the other New Gods. It's sad. :(

In terms of power, yeah, but he's still a major badass as far as brains and skill are concerned.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's why I like him. Still, if a guy's a member of a race of gods, you'd expect him to be kind of godly instead of just some dude who can escape anything. That'd be like Loki being a super-awesome sorcerer, but being so weak that your average thug on the street could bash his face in. Diminishes the godliness a bit.

[TheCorpulent1]

What's up with Jason Todd? I thought he went from Punisher-lite vigilante to member of the Challengers of the Beyond or whatever and was taking the Red Robin look from Kingdom Come as his own, but I just saw preview pages of Countdown #1 and... he's back to Punisher-lite vigilante? I thought character arcs were supposed to leave characters in different places from where they started out... :huh:

[BrianWilly]

Yeah apparently he got so annoyed with all the cosmic multiversal stuff going on that he turned into even worse of a character than the one he started out as.

I have no idea how anyone's going to be able to save these Countdown casualties. Kyle will always have his props in some way or another, but people like Donna and Jason and Jimmy and Piper (where the hell is Piper now, anyway?) and even the Legionnaires weren't exactly in the best places to start with. No one's going to be able to look at them for a long time without thinking, "Oh yeah, they were the dumbasses that Countdown ****ed over. LAWL!" And Mary? Forget Mary. No power on this planet can save Mary now.

Thankfully, Morrison's from somewhere else entirely.

[TheCorpulent1]

Scotland's still on this planet, you racist. :o

[Doc Destruction]

Wouldn't that be countryist?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. I'm just making **** up and I haven't slept in a lot of hours.

[WompuM]

Oh so now the Scottish cant even have their own race?!?! THAT HOW IT IS!?!?!

[BrianWilly]

It's always about race with you people. That's right I said "you people" and I MOSTLY MEANT IT.

[WompuM]

Ha. First time ever "you people" has meant German-Irish. Tom Hagen would be proud.

[Tony Ingram]

Oh so now the Scottish cant even have their own race?!?! THAT HOW IT IS!?!?!Well, they can, but they mostly prefer to toss a couple of cabers and then race back to the bar.

[Anubis]

Speak English!

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, like, what's a caber, dude? :huh:

[Tony Ingram]

Yeah, like, what's a caber, dude? :huh: sigh. sorry, i forgot i was dealing with Americans. A caber is basically a tree trunk, and 'Tossing the Caber'-lifting a throwing the tree trunk, which takes a loooot of strength- is a traditional event in the Highland Games, a major sporting event in Scotland, also well known outside of Scotland. But not, apparently, everywhere...

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, I've seen that on the telly.

I said "telly" there just for you, Tony. :)

[Tony Ingram]

Speak English!It is English, or at least British. It's in the Oxford English Dictionary and everything, honest...:yay:

[Tony Ingram]

Oh, right, I've seen that on the telly.

I said "telly" there just for you, Tony. :)Thanks!:yay:

[DawnWarrior]

I don't know. I'm just making **** up and I haven't slept in a lot of hours.
Tell me about it.

[Sundancer]

What's this thread about again? German-Scottish, what...? :huh:



So is Billy still acting in Shazams' place? Any hope in view for seeing Billy return to being Captain Marvel, and maybe CM getting his own series again?


Haven't been following DC for awhile...

[BrianWilly]

Not really at the moment. Upcoming depictions of the Marvels will have Freddy in Billy's former role, although no one can quite decide on what the heck to call him. His formal name is "Shazam," but it's not sticking very well with writers.

[Colossal Spoons]

I need a Cap.Marvel ongoing plz

[CorpusBlack]

I need a Black Adam ongoing. :up:

[Silicon Surfer]

Not really at the moment. Upcoming depictions of the Marvels will have Freddy in Billy's former role, although no one can quite decide on what the heck to call him. His formal name is "Shazam," but it's not sticking very well with writers.

Captain Counterfeit?

[BrianWilly]

The specific problem in this instance (y'know, on top of the dozens of other problems with the Trials of Shazam) is that anyone who's been following DC for any amount of time -- every single writer and every single reader, much less anyone who's even remotely interested in the franchise -- has had it rammed into their skulls from his first appearance that Shazam is the name of the comic, and Captain Marvel is the name of the hero. It was never a problem that needed to be "fixed" or whateverthe****, and trying to fix it just makes a big mess out of a clean situation

Even people like me who have followed along with the story still have to suffix the name as "Shazam...who used to be Captain Marvel Jr." when explaining it to people because absolutely no one here even knows what the heck I'm talking about if I just call him Shazam. "Shazam? Don't you mean Captain Marvel?" Nope, not anymore!

Seriously, I have no idea what Winick was thinking. The sooner that Robinson or Morrison changes it back, the better.

[Manic]

Wait, let me get this straight...

Captain Marvel Jr. aka CM3 aka "I can't say my own name without losing my powers" is now calling himself Shazam? Really? Wouldn't Billy be the one to take that name, since he's taking the Wizard's place?

[DawnWarrior]

Wait, let me get this straight...

Captain Marvel Jr. aka CM3 aka "I can't say my own name without losing my powers" is now calling himself Shazam? Really? Wouldn't Billy be the one to take that name, since he's taking the Wizard's place?
Those rules have changed; as billy explained in issue 5 or 6 I think, he can say the word without transforming, and he can transform by thinking the word really hard if he can't speak.

[BrianWilly]

Billy is now called Marvel. Just Marvel. Why, you ask, would Winick alternate the name of the wizard and the name of the champion? I've no ****ing idea whatsoever. No explanation is given in the book, either.

And, yes, now the lightning doesn't just come when Freddy says the name Shazam anymore. He has to mean it, make the magic bend to his will. Or something.

Are you beginning to see what I mean? There's no way writers are going to be able to remember all these pointless changes, and it's ridiculous to expect them to.

[Tony Ingram]

Billy is now called Marvel. Just Marvel. Why, you ask, would Winick alternate the name of the wizard and the name of the champion? I've no ****ing idea whatsoever. No explanation is given in the book, either.

And, yes, now the lightning doesn't just come when Freddy says the name Shazam anymore. He has to mean it, make the magic bend to his will. Or something.

Are you beginning to see what I mean? There's no way writers are going to be able to remember all these pointless changes, and it's ridiculous to expect them to.
"just Marvel". Are they actually trying to provoke another court case?

[yenaled]

As soon as another writer takes the characters it'll be reverted.

I don't think it will be explained it will just be happily reset to a status quo.

[The Question]

Billy is now called Marvel. Just Marvel. Why, you ask, would Winick alternate the name of the wizard and the name of the champion? I've no ****ing idea whatsoever. No explanation is given in the book, either.

And, yes, now the lightning doesn't just come when Freddy says the name Shazam anymore. He has to mean it, make the magic bend to his will. Or something.

Are you beginning to see what I mean? There's no way writers are going to be able to remember all these pointless changes, and it's ridiculous to expect them to.

But Freddy's magic word was never SHAZAM in the first place. It was Captain Marvel.

[BrianWilly]

I meant in the overall scheme of how the magic works and, in fact, how the very gimmick of Captain Marvel worked.

[BrianWilly]

"just Marvel". Are they actually trying to provoke another court case?Well, Billy is no longer the star of the franchise, so to speak. Freddy is the protagonist now, so the title character is "Shazam."

See, it's so funny/sad that we're all still having to explain this to each other months after the fact. :up:

[Kitsune]

Maybe we should just call him M. Bison :D

[BrianWilly]

Vega:cmad:.

[WompuM]

All Mucas!!!!!!!!

[Anubis]

Personally, I think them getting rid of him not being able to say the word without fear of turning back into his crippled self was a good thing. Plus, now, when all those ignorant douche bags call the character Shazam, they'll be right.

[WompuM]

Thats the thing about DC and Marvel, all they care about is the ignorant douches. They would love nothing more than for those people to "start coming into the shops." Nevermind us devoted Wednesday driven fans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they've already got us, haven't they? Not on this, I mean; I dropped Trials of Shazam like a sack of hammers when its third or fourth issue came out six or seven months after the first. But in general.

[Colossal Spoons]

I need a Black Adam ongoing. :up:

Hells yeah :o

[TheCorpulent1]

I think we've seen the last of Black Adam for a while. I don't mind giving him a rest, to be honest. His story kind of played itself to its natural conclusion starting way back in JSA through 52 and The Dark Age.

[WompuM]

What happened in Dark Age?

[yenaled]

All kinds of awesome happened.

[Doc Destruction]

I think we've seen the last of Black Adam for a while. I don't mind giving him a rest, to be honest. His story kind of played itself to its natural conclusion starting way back in JSA through 52 and The Dark Age.

Actually, he just called Mary Marvel a baby and ditched her in Countdown 1. ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, she is a baby. A retarded one who was dropped on her head. :o

[Green Lantern]

Down a flight of stairs :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Covered in nails. :o

[Aristotle]

I have no idea how anyone's going to be able to save these Countdown casualties. Kyle will always have his props in some way or another, but people like Donna and Jason and Jimmy and Piper (where the hell is Piper now, anyway?) and even the Legionnaires weren't exactly in the best places to start with. No one's going to be able to look at them for a long time without thinking, "Oh yeah, they were the dumbasses that Countdown ****ed over. LAWL!" And Mary? Forget Mary. No power on this planet can save Mary now.I don't think the characters are all as ****ed as you think. I mean, I think a lot of people are just assuming Countdown didn't happen. For a lot of readers, it didn't happen, because they didn't read it. Kyle, a Green Lantern, can't be brought down by Countdown, not if Hal Jordan can survive getting the parallax. Donna will continue to be a solid supporting character that people pretend to give a **** about in Titans and Wonder Woman. Jason...Jason...Jason...well, you can't say it made him any worse, can you? Jimmy is the clearest example of "this does not matter" because he's just gonna go right back to being Jimmy. Where's Piper? He's in Gotham, apparently, and getting ready to turn Fed again, it would appear. And Johns will repair the Legion.

But WHAT IN THE SWEET BLUE **** is up with all these different Brothers Eye? Was that the Buddy Blank from New Earth, or from Commandy-Earth? Is this still the Brother Eye we're seeing signs of in BATO?

[Aristotle]

I think we've seen the last of Black Adam for a while. I don't mind giving him a rest, to be honest. His story kind of played itself to its natural conclusion starting way back in JSA through 52 and The Dark Age.Adam's story doesn't end until he finds real peace. I've been re-reading my old JSA issues (Jesus Christ that book was so much better than JSofA is currently) and it just keeps reminding me that Black Adam is supposed to be a hero. And I want him to be one. I want him to finally come to peace with all of his bitterness, embrace Billy as the spiritual brother he said he was back in ancient Egypt, and be a true (if forever grim) superhero.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I kind of like Adam as the fallen hero, to be honest. He's so much more interesting as a deluded, broken shell of a hero whose intentions are good but who's forgotten how to be heroic.

[Green Lantern]

I don't think the characters are all as ****ed as you think. I mean, I think a lot of people are just assuming Countdown didn't happen. For a lot of readers, it didn't happen, because they didn't read it. Kyle, a Green Lantern, can't be brought down by Countdown, not if Hal Jordan can survive getting the parallax. Donna will continue to be a solid supporting character that people pretend to give a **** about in Titans and Wonder Woman. Jason...Jason...Jason...well, you can't say it made him any worse, can you? Jimmy is the clearest example of "this does not matter" because he's just gonna go right back to being Jimmy. Where's Piper? He's in Gotham, apparently, and getting ready to turn Fed again, it would appear. And Johns will repair the Legion.

But WHAT IN THE SWEET BLUE **** is up with all these different Brothers Eye? Was that the Buddy Blank from New Earth, or from Commandy-Earth? Is this still the Brother Eye we're seeing signs of in BATO?I don't pretend to give a **** about Donna... I DO give a **** about her. She's one of my favorite characters.

[Silicon Surfer]

I also like Donna while I couldn't care less about Wonder Woman. In fact it was the changing of Donna's history after COIE that was the straw that broke the camel's back and caused me to quit reading DC. I had been a fan of DC for about 25 years up to that point.

[Anubis]

I'm pretty indifferent about Donna. Kill her, bring her back, kill her again? What do I care?

[Aristotle]

There's been a concerted effort to make her a central DCU character since Graduation Day, but it's generally failed. She died in Graduation Day, Return of Donna Troy was confusing and its entire story was just a Macguffin to get Donna back, and the space heroes in Infinite Crisis just ended up being ineffective.

And I think we all know what happened in Countdown.

[TheCorpulent1]

I find it hard to be interested in Donna because she's essentially Wonder Woman now. I liked her more as Wonder Girl, back when there were substantial differences between the two. Now every story I read with her feels like it could've been a Wonder Woman story--just replace the Titans (the mythological ones) with the gods and the JLA with the Titans (the superhero ones).

[CorpusBlack]

Adam's story doesn't end until he finds real peace. I've been re-reading my old JSA issues (Jesus Christ that book was so much better than JSofA is currently) and it just keeps reminding me that Black Adam is supposed to be a hero. And I want him to be one. I want him to finally come to peace with all of his bitterness, embrace Billy as the spiritual brother he said he was back in ancient Egypt, and be a true (if forever grim) superhero.

I'd like to see him come to peace with everything too but it just wouldn't be as interesting then IMO.

Eh, I kind of like Adam as the fallen hero, to be honest. He's so much more interesting as a deluded, broken shell of a hero whose intentions are good but who's forgotten how to be heroic.

That's the BA I like.

[BrianWilly]

...Believe it or not, you people might actually like the Black Adam status quo set up by the latest (LAST! MERCIFUL XANDER, it's the LAST!!) Countdown, then.

I thought Donna had a very good thing going on during and after Infinite Crisis. Her origin[s] was[were] cleared up so to speak, she had a clear purpose as the new Harbinger, and she had a pimpin' crib. (Seriously, when was the last time we saw New Cronus?) She even had energy manipulation powers to distinguish herself from WW, which everyone sort of quietly forgot about. And the cohesion of the DCU at that point was such that she could gather up a completely random and sporadic team of B-listers to go to space and it would feel completely natural and in-story.

So the way was entirely set for her to find her niche in the new multiverse and be our entrance point into that portion of the DCU. Which they did! That was pretty much the plan for her...the problem is that they did it ****ing horribly. Anything that could have been screwed up about the adventure has been screwed up. So now she doesn't even have a niche anymore that hasn't been made into one of the biggest jokes of the company.

[BrianWilly]

Personally, I think them getting rid of him not being able to say the word without fear of turning back into his crippled self was a good thing. Plus, now, when all those ignorant douche bags call the character Shazam, they'll be right.Or they could, y'know, have just not changed his name to Shazam.

And when was the last time that anyone called him Shazam, douchebag or not? No one outside of the comic reader circle and the nostalgia crowd even cares about the character enough to know specifics of the name, and even the nostalgia crowd knew him as Captain Marvel all through the years.

[Anubis]

I refuse to respond on account of me being very drunk.

[WompuM]

Pussssssssy.

[Colossal Spoons]

I refuse to respond on account of me being very drunk.

It's Wed man!

[Manic]

What is Donna's current origin?

[Aristotle]

It's Wed man!Hump day, mother****er! You must be the only who isn't drunk!

[Colossal Spoons]

I need to catch up lol

[WompuM]

I really wanna. really really wanna. f'n 8 a.m. law&econ class.

[WompuM]

ah, but i am making meatballs!

[BrianWilly]

I refuse to respond on account of me being very drunk.Lies! Your grammar is too flawless for a drunkard.

What is Donna's current origin?http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/donna.jpg


...In seriousness, currently Donna is best described as the sum of all her multiversal parts. And I mean the old multiverse, not the new one with 52 Earths. She lived through all her incarnations, died in every single one, and remembers them all. The origin that most people on New Earth would know, though, is that she's Wonder Woman's younger sister, magically made from a piece of Diana's own soul. That's the origin that "happened" on New Earth and the one that actually matters, for all intents and purposes.

It's frankly a bit less confusing than Superman's origin, at this point.

[Manic]

Thanks, I guess.

That page is awesome, by the way.

[Aristotle]

They should put out a trade paperback called "Countdown: The Worthwhile Moments." That page would be in it. I'll bet they could get a 100-pager out of it, especially if they tossed in some dumb bonuses.

[TheCorpulent1]

So, Donna Troy is basically Wonder Woman with a side of Hawkman now?
Lies! Your grammar is too flawless for a drunkard.
I once used the word "prestidigitation" when I was drunk. :)

[Lobo]

I'm pretty indifferent about Donna. Kill her, bring her back, kill her again? What do I care?

That's kinda Donna's thing so it will happen over and over

[Anubis]

Lies! Your grammar is too flawless for a drunkard.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/kirke_novak/donna.jpg


...In seriousness, currently Donna is best described as the sum of all her multiversal parts. And I mean the old multiverse, not the new one with 52 Earths. She lived through all her incarnations, died in every single one, and remembers them all. The origin that most people on New Earth would know, though, is that she's Wonder Woman's younger sister, magically made from a piece of Diana's own soul. That's the origin that "happened" on New Earth and the one that actually matters, for all intents and purposes.

It's frankly a bit less confusing than Superman's origin, at this point.

Not ture. I have best grammar when I drunk.

[Aristotle]

I once used the word "prestidigitation" when I was drunk. :)That's actually one of my favorite words to use when drunk or high. "And now, for his NEXT amazing feat of prestidigitation, Aristotle will make an entire six-pack of Fat Tire...DISAPPEAR!

[WolfCypher]

Why doesn't Superman leave fingerprints?
If Parasite knows everything Superman knows when he "touches" him (if DCU Parasite's powers work the way they do in the DCAU) then wouldnn't Parasite know the identities of Batman, WW, the JLA?

[The Question]

Why doesn't Superman leave fingerprints?

I'm sure he does. But Clark Kent probably isn't on file, so it doesn't matter.

[Green Lantern]

That's actually one of my favorite words to use when drunk or high. "And now, for his NEXT amazing feat of prestidigitation, Aristotle will make an entire six-pack of Fat Tire...DISAPPEAR!You guys have Fat Tire in Kansas? God damnit! :cmad: We're closer to Colorado than you and WE don't have New Belgium beers in South Dakota :csad:

[Aristotle]

You guys have Fat Tire in Kansas? God damnit! :cmad: We're closer to Colorado than you and WE don't have New Belgium beers in South Dakota :csad:Colorado's right next to us. Still, I'm surprised you don't get New Belgium up there. They get it in PA.

[Green Lantern]

Colorado's right next to us. Still, I'm surprised you don't get New Belgium up there. They get it in PA.Yeah, my buddies and I visited the brewery last spring and demanded it :( Still nothing. I'll demand it again when I visit in July. Along with spending at least $100 on beer to bring back with me >,<

[Aristotle]

You should visit Minnesota sometime and try to find some Fat Cat. Orange-colored beer, comes in an orange can, may be the worst beer ever made. Truly an honor to have drunk a 12-pack of it.

[cerealkiller182]

You should visit Minnesota sometime and try to find some Fat Cat. Orange-colored beer, comes in an orange can, may be the worst beer ever made. Truly an honor to have drunk a 12-pack of it.

I had that. I can honestly say its the worst i've had

[Green Lantern]

You should visit Minnesota sometime and try to find some Fat Cat. Orange-colored beer, comes in an orange can, may be the worst beer ever made. Truly an honor to have drunk a 12-pack of it.I don't know... ever have Strohs?

[LorDZeeD]

Why doesn't Superman leave fingerprints?

they mentioned just before the OYL jump that Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson etc had no fingerprints on record anywhere. this probably extends to superman.

If Parasite knows everything Superman knows when he "touches" him (if DCU Parasite's powers work the way they do in the DCAU) then wouldnn't Parasite know the identities of Batman, WW, the JLA?

more Zatanna mind wiping?

[Spike_x1]

The Parasite knows. Well, at least he knew before IC made continuity all wonky. Who knows how the hell the Parasite's powers work now.

[Silicon Surfer]

You should visit Minnesota sometime and try to find some Fat Cat. Orange-colored beer, comes in an orange can, may be the worst beer ever made. Truly an honor to have drunk a 12-pack of it.

My brother contributes Lucky Lager for consideration and while I hate beer and thus have no personal opinion, the pinnacle of infamy I have always heard is Brew 102.

[WompuM]

Was just browsing Wikipedia and I came upon something I didnt know before. Knightfall was made into a BBC radio show. Has anyone heard this or know where to find it?

[Aristotle]

I have heard it, but I don't have it anymore. You can find it on Demonoid, I think.

[WompuM]

Was it worthwhile?

[Aristotle]

No, not really. I'm pretty hard on radio dramas, though. I always expect them to improve and modernize at the same rate that comics, TV, and movies did, and they just haven't.

[cerealkiller182]

Doesnt seem like theres a lot of room for innovation in radio dramas

[BAMFaly]

I'm looking to read more Riddler tpb's. Any recommendations? I've read Hush etc. and enjoyed when he showed up in Green Arrow a while back but I'm looking for something a little more seminal...

[Spike_x1]

Why was Leaguer banned? Knowing him, it was probably worth a laugh to read up on it.

[Aristotle]

WHAT?!

****. That guy is basically the first Hypester I could recall by name. Way back pre-Infinite Crisis.

What the hell was he finally banned for?

[Spike_x1]

It's just a probationary ban, but still.

[Aristotle]

Well that doesn't count.

[Spike_x1]

It's still a ban and my curiosity on what he did still stands. :o

[Aristotle]

I'm sure it's not his first.

[Spike_x1]

Who cares about the number of times? Leaguer and Admiral Adama are my man-crushes and I am compelled to follow up on their shenanigans.

[WompuM]

Oh man, how did Leaguer piss off Morg now? This outta be good. Corp, you know anything about this?