The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[BrianWilly]

Um. Mandrakk? *shrug*

Rise of the Olympian was never an FC tie-in. It just appeared in DC Universe #0.

[CBG]

Wasn't Rise of the Olympian a Final Crisis tie-in? How exactly is it a FC tie-in? And its still going on after FC.
Also...

It's not an FC tie-in.

DC Universe more or less advertises upcoming storylines later this year. Like Blackest Night.

[The Eagle Host]

Um. Mandrakk? *shrug*

Rise of the Olympian was never an FC tie-in. It just appeared in DC Universe #0.

True that, Mandrakk and now Ultraman, the Vampire Superman.

Also, Crucifer, from Claremont's 10th Circle JLA story. Haha, remember that guys? When we were rolling on a Morrison-Waid-Kelly JLA high, when we thought DC knew how to treat us right, and they followed up with the Claremont-Byrne dream team? Oh man, good times.

[Manic]

What exactly can Blue Lanterns do?

Also, where do I start reading if I want to get into all this multi-colored Lantern stuff, and are there any trades?

[Jordacar]

What exactly can Blue Lanterns do?

Also, where do I start reading if I want to get into all this multi-colored Lantern stuff, and are there any trades?Well, the whole multi-colored lantern thing was introduced in the last issue of the Sinestro Corps War, and it's been building in both GL and GLC since then. Even the recent GL Secret Origin story intro'd the main Red Lantern.

[sdc10]

Is the GL new law forbidding lanterns to fall in love with each other or falling in love in general?

[TheCorpulent1]

Each other. Presumably, the Guardians don't want them jeopardizing missions out of more-than-partnerly concern for each other.

[The Question]

....Jesus, what next? Some slimy politician is going to reorganize the UP into the First Galactic Empire, and Kyle's going to turn to the yellow side and duel with Hal in the fire pits of Mustafar?

[sdc10]

....Jesus, what next? Some slimy politician is going to reorganize the UP into the First Galactic Empire, and Kyle's going to turn to the yellow side and duel with Hal in the fire pits of Mustafar?

That would be epic

[Manic]

That sounds stupid, but people would flock toward the story anyway because they're too fond of the older stories from their childhoods to admit that the new one is inferior crap.












George Lucas sucks.

[random_havoc]

okay, quick important question:

A girl I know is going to a costume party and the theme is heroes/villains.

She's got metallic purple tights she can wear. Anyone know a female hero/villain that wears purple tights?

Please answer quick because the party's in a week. Thanks!

[BrianWilly]

Spoiler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Brown_(comics))

Huntress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntress_(comics))

The Young Avengers' Hawkeye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Bishop), on the Marvel side.

Um...Clea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clea), for a bit more desperate unknown...ness.

[sdc10]

That sounds stupid, but people would flock toward the story anyway because they're too fond of the older stories from their childhoods to admit that the new one is inferior crap.






George Lucas sucks.

Or like me, some people may just look at the whole thing as one big story instead of 6 individual ones. Also, whats the point of rejecting the new ones? You're just missing that part of the story. I love how people also forget that when the original movies came out they weren't greatly recieved either.

[Manic]

Or like me, some people may just look at the whole thing as one big story instead of 6 individual ones. Also, whats the point of rejecting the new ones? You're just missing that part of the story. I love how people also forget that when the original movies came out they weren't greatly recieved either.
Maybe some of us didn't grow up in the late 70's/early 80's, and thus have the clarity to look back at the old movies and see all of their flaws, admitting that the story on the whole (across all 6 movies) is a bit weak. Maybe some of us also dislike the newer movies for reason unrelated to story-based expectations, such as unnatural character progression, hack dialogue, and lifeless direction-- problems that weren't present in everyone's favorite older movies' sequels because the series' creator hired someone else to direct and co-write those.

[sdc10]

Maybe some of us didn't grow up in the late 70's/early 80's, and thus have the clarity to look back at the old movies and see all of their flaws, admitting that the story on the whole (across all 6 movies) is a bit weak. Maybe some of us also dislike the newer movies for reason unrelated to story-based expectations, such as unnatural character progression, hack dialogue, and lifeless direction-- problems that weren't present in everyone's favorite older movies' sequels because the series' creator hired someone else to direct and co-write those.

Im only 19 but youd think someone who grew up in the 70s would have more clarity on seeing the movies flaws, mostly because peoples opinions of them grew over time.

[Harlekin]

Know what I liked about the new trilogy?

The trailers.

[BrianWilly]

Y'know what though, the original SW trilogy was very, very ****ing good. It had easily likable and iconic characters, great dialogue, entertaining and memorable story, unprecedented art direction, epic mythology, and swords made out of lasers. Make no mistake; there is a reason that Star Wars is still one of the most recognizable and renowned franchises in the world even after forty years. Legions of modern filmmakers and media experts base their entire careers on trying to research and replicate that reason.

[random_havoc]

Y'know what though, the original SW trilogy was very, very ****ing good. It had easily likable and iconic characters, great dialogue, entertaining and memorable story, unprecedented art direction, epic mythology, and swords made out of lasers. Make no mistake; there is a reason that Star Wars is still one of the most recognizable and renowned franchises in the world even after forty years. Legions of modern filmmakers and media experts base their entire careers on trying to research and replicate that reason.

Finally someone who has a knowledgeable comment on the topic.

The originals were absolutely amazing for their time. The new ones are entertaining for children 12 and under, because people over that age generally are able to recognize ****** dialogue, characters and story when they see it. With the newer trilogy out of roughly 6 hours of movie there's maybe 12 minutes of anything decent to watch.

[Anubis]

Which mostly consists of lightsaber duels.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which, in retrospect, were the only crappy parts of the original trilogy.

[Anubis]

Yeah, funny that.

[yenaled]

They should make a Lone Samurai/Man With No Name/Jonah Hex style Star Wars Movie of just Qui-Gon Jinn.

[Anubis]

I'd use Kyle Katarn.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would f*** a goat sideways to get a Kyle Katarn movie. :up:

But I don't mind the s***ty lightsaber duels in the OT. They make sense in the context--Luke's a newb, Vader's a clunky cyborg, and Ben's old.

[yenaled]

I don't know who Kyle Kararn is but sure!

The lightsaber fights in the OT were good because they were packed with emotion and meaning, they were nothing but shiny special effects in the NT.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but they had flips, And cool new looks for the sabers like fencing sabers, and double bladed ones!!! But yeah, they lacked the heart. Not even the big fight with Ben and Anakin which should have been dripping with dramatic tension. Didn't hold a candle to Vader/Luke 1 & 2. Pretty though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kyle Katarn is the star of the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight video game series. He's also one of the first Jedi Knights of Luke's New Jedi Order and an all-around badass. Basically, picture Han Solo and a young Obi-Wan put together. :)

[Anubis]

Yeah, a guy who embraced both the light and the dark, becoming a better kind of Jedi.

[TheCorpulent1]

Indeed. He's a practical Force user--doesn't matter whether the power comes from the light side or the dark side to him, just as long as it helps him in that situation. I like that he's not one of the absolute most powerful Jedi evarr!!!11, too. We've got way too many of those, especially outside of the movie trilogies. Kyle's a moderately powerful Jedi who's made more awesome because he's great with a lightsaber and he's willing to accept and use all of the Force.

[BrianWilly]

Finally someone who has a knowledgeable comment on the topic.Yeah I get that a lot.

I actually thought Palpatine was pretty ****ing awesome in the NT.

[TheCorpulent1]

His schemes were pretty masterful. But, on the other hand, just about everyone else was an idiot. Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Mace L. Jackson's grape soda lightsaber made the NT watchable, at least.

[Manic]

The movie that made me want to reach into the movie and choke someone was Attack of the Clones.


A Jedi you thought was dead has bought an army in secret for reasons unrevealed, then went out of their way to make sure you'd never find the army by going into the Jedi database and removing the cloning planet from all of your records.

But hey, free army. Might as well take it anyway. Not like that's ever going to come back and bite us in the ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, that's true. Desperate times, though. I could see why the Jedi did it.

[WompuM]

Why was that guy's backstory never given? Was it actually Palpatine?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Why was that guy's backstory never given? Was it actually Palpatine?

Jedi Master (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Master) Sifo-Dyas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas)

[Anubis]

Wow, didn't know they used that dudes blood on Grievous.

And speaking of Grievous, he was lame in the movie, but awesome on the clone wars cartoons. wtf was that all about?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Wow, didn't know they used that dudes blood on Grievous.

And speaking of Grievous, he was lame in the movie, but awesome on the clone wars cartoons. wtf was that all about?

George Lucas didnt write the cartoons..........thats right I went there:grin::word:

[The Question]

I would f*** a goat sideways to get a Kyle Katarn movie. :up:

But I don't mind the s***ty lightsaber duels in the OT. They make sense in the context--Luke's a newb, Vader's a clunky cyborg, and Ben's old.

Plus, it's way more badass when Vader wrecks Luke with TK.

Hahaha, that's true. Desperate times, though. I could see why the Jedi did it.

I really don't see how it was the Jedi's call either way. They're, basically, a religious order of warrior monks. They have no say over military strategy. The most they can do is voice their opinions and either carry out military strategy or not.

[Anubis]

george lucas didnt write the cartoons..........thats right i went there:grin::word:


qft

[BrianWilly]

I really don't see how it was the Jedi's call either way. They're, basically, a religious order of warrior monks. They have no say over military strategy. The most they can do is voice their opinions and either carry out military strategy or not.Mm, according to the Expanded Universe comics stuff, Jedi had quite a bit of say over what happens on and off the field. They were fully-ranked commanders and generals for the Republic armies. Part of why it was so easy for Palpatine to eventually convince the Senate to turn on the Jedi was because the Jedi held so much power over Galactic affairs at that point and, well, politicians being politicians...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the clones were created for the Republic at the behest of a Jedi and we clearly see in the movies that Jedi hold most of the command ranks in the Clone Wars. It's like the best the clones or any normal Republic army personnel could hope to make was Lieutenant Colonel, if you go by US Air Force rankings, because all the full Colonels were Jedi Knights and all the Generals were Jedi Masters. The leaders of the Republic, for the most part, seemed to be limited to civilian oversight to the Jedi's military command.

[Prognosticator]

You guys know where to locate that old Aquaman online comic where he's being interviewed by the Hollywood executives for his own movie?? That short is KILLER and i'm always telling people about it, but I can't track it down?

[Bnightwing]

Could someone simply explain the other lights besides green in Green Lantern?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Could someone simply explain the other lights besides green in Green Lantern?

Other lights???

[Jordacar]

Could someone simply explain the other lights besides green in Green Lantern?Do you mean other colors?

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6517/greenlantern25pages67co5.jpg

[Manic]

Jeeze. Do the Red Lanterns all spit their crap?

[yenaled]

I prefer the term other lights to other colours.

[Spike_x1]

Indeed. He's a practical Force user--doesn't matter whether the power comes from the light side or the dark side to him, just as long as it helps him in that situation. I like that he's not one of the absolute most powerful Jedi evarr!!!11, too. We've got way too many of those, especially outside of the movie trilogies. Kyle's a moderately powerful Jedi who's made more awesome because he's great with a lightsaber and he's willing to accept and use all of the Force.Well, Kyle's still powerful enough to be the Battlemaster at Luke's academy, plus he beat Desann (sp), who had bested Luke. I prefer to think of Kyle as being the new Mace Windu of Jedi swordsmanship (ie: probably one of the more highly skilled swordsmen, but not beyond being challenged), while his major flaw is that he's not as powerfully skilled with the emotional aspects of the force, like Luke is.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I guess Kyle is more high-power than moderately powerful. But it's his lightsaber skills that are his real strength, hence the Battlemaster thing.
Jeeze. Do the Red Lanterns all spit their crap?
Yeah, rage is supposed to replace their blood or some nonsense. I don't get why being angry means their whole corps is super-gross, but I guess that's just me.

The Blue Lanterns have some hot costumes. I didn't realize their costumes were so cool. :up:

Anyway, to answer bnightwing's question:

Red = rage
Orange = avarice (or greed, if you want to be less technical)
Yellow = fear (this is the Sinestro Corps)
Green = willpower (it's sort of like the GLs are supposed to be emotion-neutral and, indeed, that's exactly what the Guardians are trying to force them to be)
Blue = hope (nobody's really sure what that means, but the Blue Lanterns have shown that they can supercharge other corps' powers)
Indigo = compassion
Violet = love (this is the Star Sapphire Corps)
Black = death (the Black Lantern Corps of resurrected dead characters)

[Spike_x1]

I know that the stronger a GL's willpower is, the stronger and more powerful their constructs can be. So, how would that concept apply to the other corps (or would it be able to be applied to the other ones at all)? I mean, is there some train of thought where the deader a Black Lantern is, the more powerful they are?

[TheCorpulent1]

No idea. I've wondered that same thing myself. I mean, I get how rage or fear might work--the Hulk would basically be the greatest Red Lantern ever and if the grim reaper got a yellow ring he'd be unstoppable because nothing's scarier than death. But hope? How do you gauge how much hope someone inspires? How do you correlate a level of power to how dead someone is? There are a lot of weird vagaries with the other corps that I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how they play out.

[WompuM]

How much hope someone inspires? Well apparently you gauge this by having a black dude run for president.

[TheCorpulent1]

Obama should be the Ion of the Blue Lantern Corps. :up:

[WompuM]

And his O symbol should be theirs as well. Can you imagine MLK as a blue lantern. sweet.

[TheCorpulent1]

No one would ever fight him... except the "White Lanterns" chapter of the Mississippi KKK. ;)

[Ipodman]

RE: BATMAN
Is "Salvation Run" and "Gotham Underground" suppose to be connected? and are they in continuity with anything? (at least i know Salvation run leads to Final Crisis...)

[Bnightwing]

Yeah, I guess Kyle is more high-power than moderately powerful. But it's his lightsaber skills that are his real strength, hence the Battlemaster thing.

Yeah, rage is supposed to replace their blood or some nonsense. I don't get why being angry means their whole corps is super-gross, but I guess that's just me.

The Blue Lanterns have some hot costumes. I didn't realize their costumes were so cool. :up:

Anyway, to answer bnightwing's question:

Red = rage
Orange = avarice (or greed, if you want to be less technical)
Yellow = fear (this is the Sinestro Corps)
Green = willpower (it's sort of like the GLs are supposed to be emotion-neutral and, indeed, that's exactly what the Guardians are trying to force them to be)
Blue = hope (nobody's really sure what that means, but the Blue Lanterns have shown that they can supercharge other corps' powers)
Indigo = compassion
Violet = love (this is the Star Sapphire Corps)
Black = death (the Black Lantern Corps of resurrected dead characters)


Thanks, I knew about the different colors but really didn't know how they came into factor and stuff, and is Hal part of the black corp?

Another stupid question is where can I find the Comic where Batman gets a GL ring?

[Bnightwing]

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/red.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/orange.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/yellow.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/green.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/blue.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/indigo.gif
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/bnightwing/violet.gif

Got these from the hype somewhere just forgot where.

[TheCorpulent1]

Those are pretty cool. :up:
Thanks, I knew about the different colors but really didn't know how they came into factor and stuff, and is Hal part of the black corp?

Another stupid question is where can I find the Comic where Batman gets a GL ring?
Hal's not part of the Black Lantern Corps. As far as we know, only dead people are going to be Black Lanterns.

Batman gets a GL ring in an Elseworld story called In Darkest Knight. I know Batman appeared in the main continuity with Hal in GL #9, but I didn't read it so I don't know if he got to use a GL ring.

[Manic]

I'd heard that Hal was offered a blue ring. Any truth to that?

Also, when is a trade of the Sinestro Corps War coming out? I want in on The Blackest Night when it comes.

[CBG]

I'd heard that Hal was offered a blue ring. Any truth to that?

Red Lantern.

Also, when is a trade of the Sinestro Corps War coming out? I want in on The Blackest Night when it comes.

The 3 volumes (1, 2, & Tales) come out in April and June, in softcover.

Already out in hardcover.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know if Hal was offered a blue ring, but the Blue Lanterns are totally hot for his junk.

[Manic]

There isn't a Blue Lantern selected for Hal/John/Kyle's sector yet, is there? Because I hope they create a new character rather than retool an old one. I don't want to see an old favorite get turned into Hal/John/Kyle's personal assistant.

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, I don't even know how territory works with the other corps. The GLs are the only ones with all of space divided up into neat little sectors, as far as I know.

[Manic]

Yeah, but I heard that the Blue Lanterns were founded by a couple of Oans who wanted to make their own corps to help the GLs. I'd assumed they'd just use the same sector assignments.

[Green Lantern]

and the Sinestro Corps rings seem to seek out the same sectors.

[Hush]

Hal was told by gantet he was to be the the leader of all the Blue Lanterns. So then he got angry around a bunch of Red Lanterns and went red.

[Bnightwing]

I have already sent 'TheCorpulent1' a PM involving this but I was wondering some suggestions involving what comics to get because I have some money to spare. I like classic stories and good art and of course a good story line! I am open to DC and Marvel and maybe any other company even though this is a DC comic forum. Below is what I have as of now so tell me your guys honest suggestions and what is a bad decision and such. Thanks if any help! I mean ANYTHING!


Watchmen softback
The Long Halloween (not in good condition) softback
Dark Victory softback
Haunted knight softback
Arkham Asylum softback
Knight Fall 1,2,3 softback
All star batman one hardback
Batman Chronicles 1,2 softback
Justice 3 Hardback (Alex Ross)
Best of Alan Moore

[Hush]

All Star Batman and Robin is kinda bad, actually it just is. The Artwork is awesome, but that is lee for you. I would recommend Superman for all seasons. But the guys here prolly have mroe than I but thats my Rec.

[Scarecrow_King]

Have you already read All-Star Batman? I'm so sorry...you might as well Sharpie over the dialogue in that bad boy. on the other hand, All-Star Superman is fantastic.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but I heard that the Blue Lanterns were founded by a couple of Oans who wanted to make their own corps to help the GLs. I'd assumed they'd just use the same sector assignments.
Yeah, I guess. Everyone who's creating the new corps are familiar with the Guardians' sector designations, actually, so it would make sense if they all started assigning their own Lanterns to those sectors as well. I don't know if they post one or more Lanterns to each sector, though. The GLs get two per sector, but the only Star Sapphire I've seen on any extended period has been flying solo and the only times we really see the Sinestro Corps working together is when they're ganging up as a whole army to fight the GL Corps.

[Watson]

All Star Batman and Robin is kinda bad, actually it just is. The Artwork is awesome, but that is lee for you. I would recommend Superman for all seasons. But the guys here prolly have mroe than I but thats my Rec.

All Star has to be taken with a grain of salt though. bnight, if you're able to laugh a little at the idea of Batman, then you may enjoy it. Superman for All Seasons is great though :up:

EDIT: Just realized you already own all-star, lol :D

bnight, I would highly recomend that you check out The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke. It's about the founding of the JLA. It's a great read, and I would definitely call it a classic story.

[TheCorpulent1]

I recommended the Gotham Central trades since he's a big Batman fan and he's interested in good stories, if anyone cares. :)

[Franklin Richards]

The Greens have two per sector. They use a recruitment method similar to a police force and Mogo helps them maintain their system.

The Yellows use the same system but I think it's only one per sector so far. That War World thingy helped them recruit in SCW. I don't remember what's helping them now. I think the Corp mag covered that.

The Blue's seem to be a monastic group. They keep recruitment to an arbitrary choice and train their apprentices to train others. They have their prophets in Ganthet and Sayid.

The Reds seem to have a conscription based group. Red Lanterns seem to "volunteer" for their army by submitting to the deeper rage within everyone. The Red Lanterns have their CIC in Attrocitus and as far as they're concerned... From God to Attrocitus. They are weapons.

The Sapphire's are starting to resemble pirates. An almost ancient maritime organization. So far they've been subject to whims of romanticism and when pressed they recruit with the equivalent of a blackjack across the head and when you wake up. Guess what? You're in the Navy now.

Orange? Stock Exchange?

Indigo?

Black?


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't think Sapphires were so violent in their recruitment methods. The one in GLC was saved from death by her reruitment and convinced to be a Sapphire as a means of avenging the death of her love and keeping the loss of love from hurting anyone else.

[Franklin Richards]

People volunteer for the Navy all the time. Some don't however.

And those guys get the cudgel.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess this must've been in Hal's comic or something. Not really surprising that the love corps would be totally hypocritical, though.

[Franklin Richards]

Well I'm taking Carol Ferris' history in mind as well. Also I'm making a metaphor for those B-Mod Chambers they seem to be using.



:gl: :gl: :gl:

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't Carol Ferris sort of a different story? I mean, Black Hand isn't a dead guy, even after Johns retconned the living hell out of his origin to squeeze it into his current grand master plan for the GLs' corner of the universe.

[Franklin Richards]

Yes, but like Sinestro her deeds have shaped the "vehicle" of her Corps. Whether through the power of Morrison's Story Power or contrivances.

I'm still confused about that Nero guy though. :D


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[TheCorpulent1]

Why?

[Franklin Richards]

Oh I was being a little facetious. The pre-fear yellow guys are still kinda iffy.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

[TheCorpulent1]

I was disappointed that Guy's yellow-ring past didn't come up during the Sinestro Corps stuff. I mean, really, if the Sinestro Corps is meant to be the nemeses of the GLC, they've got a perfect set-up: Hal and Sinestro, Kyle and Alex Nero, John and... well, they could find someone for John, and then Guy vs. himself, basically, and his own darker impulses that allowed him to use a yellow ring for years and years. But they never capitalized on all of that. Yeah, it's an antimatter-verse ring rather than a Sinestro Corps ring, but Johns has shown he's not above retconning like a motherf***er for the emotional spectrum's sake.

[Bnightwing]

Its okay I like the All-star batman for its art sadly and somewhat the story, what about Hush? And if you can link me to these like what they look like it would be great! I like Batman and Robin but I just want a variety I mean I know a lot about GL but I need some classics to my collection. I mean yes Batman is good its just need more if you guys know what I mean. I am up to any suggestions. I know more about DC but I wanna know more bout Marvel. I hardly know about Dark Horse and Vertigo(besides V for Vendetta). I mean I know a lot about the main characters but I wanna know about characters that no one hardly knows about ,I know a lot for my age but honestly and I don't mean to be cocky at all! So just give more suggestions and don't suggest Batman cause I have a lot of it I mean I need more than just one hero. I hope I made my point and sorry if I repeated like 100 times.

[Hush]

Hush is really good if you want to see Batman face like 50% of all his villians and a good detective story. It was a good time. Same art as Batman and Robin, so you know its good.

[Scarecrow_King]

ugh, Hush was one of the most over-rated stories out there. it was one of Loeb's trademark "villain of the month" stories, and it was riddled (heh) with plot holes. and the ending was rather anti-climatic to me.

all the bad stuff said, the art was great. and the Batman/Catwoman interaction was cool too.

I just hold the opinion that Loeb should stick to writing his Marvel color books and leave it at that.

[Bnightwing]

Well symbiote just send me a PM of your suggestion of Marvel stuff I have looked at the person called 'Moon Knight"

[Hush]

Nah it was just the fact that Loeb was wokring with someone other than Sale that got it all the hype. He is reading it with out all the the hype so it will be different for him.

[BrianWilly]

I guess this must've been in Hal's comic or something. Not really surprising that the love corps would be totally hypocritical, though.They showed it in GLC too. There's people like Miri who are have a choice, and then there's captured Sinestro Corps members like Fatality and Kryb who are literally being brainwashed into believing in love.

I get the idea that the Zamarons are as stubborn/corrupt as the Guardians, and it'll probably lead to their downfall.

I was disappointed that Guy's yellow-ring past didn't come up during the Sinestro Corps stuff.It was briefly mentioned; when Hal was using the yellow rings, Guy boasted that he used Sinestro's own ring for a while. John mentioned that it made him so aggressive he was picking fights with Alan Scott all the time. Can't remember if that's canon or not.

[TheCorpulent1]

They showed it in GLC too. There's people like Miri who are have a choice, and then there's captured Sinestro Corps members like Fatality and Kryb who are literally being brainwashed into believing in love.

I get the idea that the Zamarons are as stubborn/corrupt as the Guardians, and it'll probably lead to their downfall.
I didn't think they were brainwashing them into becoming Sapphires themselves. I thought that was their version of the Sciencells.
It was briefly mentioned; when Hal was using the yellow rings, Guy boasted that he used Sinestro's own ring for a while. John mentioned that it made him so aggressive he was picking fights with Alan Scott all the time. Can't remember if that's canon or not.
Right, I forgot about that.

[Bnightwing]

Is the DC absolute series worth it?

[Green Lantern]

Absolutely :) I have Crisis and Watchmen Absolute editions, and there is so much bang for your buck. The art is beautiful and enlarged, and the bonuses are neat.

[Scarecrow_King]

you should definitely spring for the Absolute New Frontier. its just gorgeous. I friggin love Darwin Cooke.

[CBG]

is the dc absolute series worth it?

absolutely.

[Hush]

I have two absolutes. They are more than worth it!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have any. I was waiting for the full Sandman series to come out in Absolute format, but now that it has, they're just too expensive. :(

[Anubis]

I have Kingdom Come, New Frontier, and Hush. I got all of em for like 40 bucks apiece, back when Amazon was giving huge discounts on them. Now I think they charge full price. So, in summation. He who hesitates masturbates.

[Manic]

What can the Absolute editions give you that you can't get elsewhere? I remember my comic shop had the Absolute edition of DC: The New Frontier, but I bought the two trade paperbacks instead because they were significantly cheaper.

[TheCorpulent1]

Absolutes are bigger than the trades or the hardcovers. Like, a lot. If you're into art, you get a much better look at the artists' work with Absolutes. I don't know what other sorts of extras they have, since I don't own any.

[Green Lantern]

What can the Absolute editions give you that you can't get elsewhere? I remember my comic shop had the Absolute edition of DC: The New Frontier, but I bought the two trade paperbacks instead because they were significantly cheaper.
Like Corpy said, the art is significantly enlarged and in every case I know of, recolored to be crisper and cleaner looking. With Watchmen, you get character design sketches, and one of Moore's scripts for the story. With Crisis, you get an entire freaking book of extras. A checklist of every Crisis related book. Character sketches by Perez. Cover sketches. A look at the development of both the idea and the series complete with pictures of notes from the desks of Marv and Len. Absolute Editions are worth it if you are a fan of the book in question, if you're just wanting to read a story for the first time, maybe not.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think I'm gonna finally start buying Absolutes and donating the trades I already have to the library. :up:

[Green Lantern]

I think I'm gonna finally start buying Absolutes and donating the trades I already have to the library. :up:
Awesome plan :up: After I bought Absolute Watchmen, I gave my trade to a friend just getting into comics. Now he's hooked and we're both stoked to be going to see the movie in an Imax.

[TheCorpulent1]

There's no IMAX in the whole city I live in. :(

[Green Lantern]

There's no IMAX in the whole city I live in. :(
Me neither :( But the release of Watchmen corresponds with our spring break, in which I had already been planning to go to Denver. So I lucked out :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, f*** that, I'm not down with driving to another city to watch a movie. :o

[Green Lantern]

Ah, f*** that, I'm not down with driving to another city to watch a movie. :o
Thats not the whole reason for the trip :p Just an added bonus. I'm going for a hockey game, and to visit friends.

[Anubis]

And get some of that mile high poontang.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thats not the whole reason for the trip :p Just an added bonus. I'm going for a hockey game, and to visit friends.
I wouldn't go for a movie, but I'd go even less for a hockey game. :oldrazz:

[Anubis]

But would you go for a chicken and ribs contest?

[TheCorpulent1]

Am I partaking or spectating?

[sdc10]

So the red, blue, and violet lantern corps have formed. Hal has "joined" the red lanterns and Kyle is expected to join the blue. Does this pretty much some up whats been going on in Green Lantern? Trying to keep track so I know the set up to Blackest Night. Also, do the rings make a noise when activated? I know from Justice League series it did (obviously to make it dramatic) but ive also read kilowog's ring is the only one that makes a noise.

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't seen anything to indicate Kyle is joining the Blue Lanterns. I think Hal as a Red Lantern is going to be very temporary as well.

According to Green Lantern: Rebirth, apparently only Kilowog's ring makes a sound. Although that's probably because Kilowog's the only one who associates sound with his constructs. If others wanted to make sounds, I'm sure they would. The rings do whatever their wearers mentally tell them to.

Oh, and of course, Rot Lop Fan's F-sharp bell makes a sound as well because his species is blind.

[Anubis]

Am I partaking or spectating?

Both.

[WolfCypher]

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo169/MarvelxDC/BFTCposterlow.jpg

Behind Penguin and left of Two-Face (from our angle); who is that?

[Hush]

That is a cool pic, but I have no idea who that is.

[Laplace_Zombie]

I expected to see some Jason in that pic.

Has it ever been told how the GLC distributed rings across the universe before they got Mogo?

[Green Lantern]

Jason is most likely the Batman packing heat.

[anrrd_2]

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo169/MarvelxDC/BFTCposterlow.jpg

Behind Penguin and left of Two-Face (from our angle); who is that?
the dude with red eyes? i believe thats firefly....and ya the bats with guns is either Jason or maybe Hush

[TheCorpulent1]

It's Jason.

[anrrd_2]

what about the midevil batman next to tim and steph? is that damian?...wait, its azrial isnt it.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, that's Knight. Basically a British Batman.

[anrrd_2]

never heard of him....hm, so wheres azrial, hush, and damian? i thought they were supposed to be big players in this story?

edit: found damian, the scrawny little would-be-robin next to steph

[Hush]

They didnt have time to pose for the big story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Tony Daniel just forgot them or his arm got tired or something. :o

[anrrd_2]

ah of course of course how silly of me lol.

does anyone else think it a tad implicative that dick is holding a cape?

[CBG]

In the variant cover, he dons a Batman costume.

And solicits say taht Jason is the gun-toting Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope that the successor to Batman gets a redesigned costume. It'd kind of suck if they literally just put Bruce's old costume on when all's said and done.

[Franklin Richards]

Why do we need another Batman? Can't Nightwing become the Scourge of Gotham?



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Jason's more suited to being the scourge of anything.

[anrrd_2]

i hope joker beats him with another crowbar...never did like that jason todd

[TheCorpulent1]

Me, either. But at least he's not an outright villain anymore. He's filling the "loose cannon who kills" role in the Bat-family now.

[Doc Destruction]

Yep! I wish he had stayed Red Robin. Love that costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tim's supposedly taking it after Battle for the Cowl. I'll miss Tim's hair.

[anrrd_2]

Me, either. But at least he's not an outright villain anymore. He's filling the "loose cannon who kills" role in the Bat-family now.

still...call me crazy but i prefer tarantula in that role.

[TheCorpulent1]

You're crazy. I prefer Bane. :)

[anrrd_2]

You're crazy. I prefer Bane. :)

idiot roid rage bain? or super intellegent powerhouse bain?:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

Secret Six Bane. He's weird and creepily attached to Scandal Savage for some reason, but it makes him more interesting than he usually is. :)

[anrrd_2]

Secret Six Bane. He's weird and creepily attached to Scandal Savage for some reason, but it makes him more interesting than he usually is. :)

good call....i'm still all about tarantula...i mean think about it. no other "loose cannon who kills" could have gotten away with raping nightwing like that:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, guy-rape is never really taken seriously anyway.

[anrrd_2]

tell that to the guy from "deliverence"

[Franklin Richards]

and Shawshank.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

Let me clarify: girl-on-guy rape is never really taken seriously.

Guy-on-guy rape is more serious than the most serious business on the interwebs. :o

[anrrd_2]

thanks for clarifying ;)

btw, since you mentioned bain...what, if any, is his involvment in BFTC?

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't know. Probably not much, although we know Battle for the Cowl is going to spill over into Secret Six come May:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/11705_400x600.jpg

[Scarecrow_King]

i'm not a fan of bringing Red Robin into regular continuity. i think it worked fine for Kingdom Come, but I think its best if it stayed as an Else-worlds thing.

[Scarecrow_King]

also, whats the deal with this British Batman dude? i thought that was Prometheus at first. same helmet.

[yenaled]

Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_(comics)) and Squire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squire_(comics))

Pick up Batmen of All Nations tpb for a good story about them - can check out the Ultramarine Corps stuff from JLA too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Red Robin's the one element from Kingdom Come I don't mind seeing in the regular DC universe. Tim's felt sort of stagnant as Robin for a while, but he can't really graduate to anything else because Nightwing is Dick's personal superhero identity and he didn't want to be Batman. Now Red Robin provides him with an alternative to both.

[Stallion9979]

I have 2 questions...

1. does anyone know if there is a collected version of the International Batmen arc that happened a few months ago and if so what was the name of it?

&

2. The Flash...ok he has the superspeed thing going on but does that mean he also has some sort of invulnerability going on that im not aware of...I would think that going that fast his skin would burn up and hitting something at that speed would just crush him...so is he in Superman territory with the invulnerabilty thing?

[Bnightwing]

Hey TheCorpulent1 is Batman RIP worth the buy?

[Anubis]

Supposedly.

[yenaled]

I have 2 questions...

1. does anyone know if there is a collected version of the International Batmen arc that happened a few months ago and if so what was the name of it?

Batmen of All Nations tpb


2. The Flash...ok he has the superspeed thing going on but does that mean he also has some sort of invulnerability going on that im not aware of...I would think that going that fast his skin would burn up and hitting something at that speed would just crush him...so is he in Superman territory with the invulnerabilty thing?

No invulnerability per say just Speedforce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Force)

Hey TheCorpulent1 is Batman RIP worth the buy?

Corp didn't read it because he is a masochist. It is great.

[CBG]

I personally liked RIP.

Due to its "significance" for Batman, I would guess it may be Absolute'd some years down the road.

[robinjr]

Hey I gotta a question. Have Owen mercer and Bart allen ever met. Since they are half brothers it would be cool to see

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't read RIP because I didn't really give a s*** about it, not out of any malice toward it. Morrison's always been sort of questionable with Batman to me. He sort of made him way too incredible at everything in JLA. Plus, Kubert was drawing the comic when Morrison started, so I knew it'd be late, plus I learned that a long-lost son was involved. Those are three strikes in my book right off the bat (no pun intended).

As for the Flash: the Speed Force creates an aura around speedsters that mitigates friction and protects them from impact to a certain degree. It's still very much possible for speedsters to get badly injured if they trip or hit something--Wally broke both his legs when he lost his balance and went bouncing for miles--but the SF aura boosts their physical resistance to superhuman levels.

The Speed Force can also heal them by speeding up their bodies' natural rate of healing, although it's essentially like fast-forwarding the clock. Walter West, an alternate universe version of Wally, got struck by Abra Kadabra's lightning repeatedly, sped his body up so much that he healed almost instantly from each strike, and wound up physically aging about 10 years in the few seconds the battle lasted.

Oh, and the Speed Force can also create a costume that can, through concentration, actually support the speedster's whole body and move for them. Wally used a SF suit for just such a situation when his legs were both broken in the incident I mentioned two paragraphs ago.

[yenaled]

What was the reason they gave for Wally to stop using the Speed Force costume?

[TheCorpulent1]

He'd forgotten how in Ignition. He stumbled on Barry's Flash ring, which triggered his memories. Then, for no apparent reason, he kept using Barry's silly super-expanding costume from the ring. Only it looked like his costume, again for no apparent reason.

So, basically, blatant Silver Age fanboyism from Johns.

[yenaled]

Ahhh that's right. That was a weak part of Ignition.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, it didn't bother me too much in the long run. The Speed Force costume is so infinitely cooler as a concept than a costume that compresses to fit in a ring, though.

[yenaled]

I don't mind it so much because of the nostalgia, same way when Barry shouted out "Flash Fact" in FC it didn't bother me... but I don't like them permanently replacing good ideas with outdated ones for the sake of nostalgia or as DiDio puts it "recognisability".

And DC has been doing that a lot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm okay with returning to cool ideas. But there've been cool ideas since 1980, too.

[BrianWilly]

Well let's see what Dan DiDio has to say about that!

Take it away, Dan DiDio.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020925-DiDio.html
10. Something that was brought up a couple of times in the thread – the other side of the coin of making sure the characters are shown in their most iconic representations. It seems that slows down the idea of progression – something that DC was at one time really moving towards...

DD: And I disagree.

NRAMA: So progression still happens even when the most iconic versions of the characters are wearing the costume?

DD: Yeah, because we have to go back to them. It’s not that we stopped the storyline or erased continuity to get back to Hal as Green Lantern and Barry as Flash – Barry Allen will be built out of the story of his departure and everything that has happened since then. Hal Jordan was built on everything that occurred to Hal Jordan, including the change to Parallax and even his becoming The Spectre. None of that has been wiped out. So if we’re returning characters to their iconic nature, we’re not just going and telling ‘60s or ‘70s style stories – that couldn’t be further from the truth. This is the natural progression and evolution of the DC Universe. This is the next phase. It just happens to involve the return of characters who were there at an earlier stage in the history of the DC Universe, and they’re coming back. That’s all. It’s all part of the ongoing story and the ongoing history.

The characters that they’ve replaced are still there and accessible, and now they are still part of the next generation of the heroes of the DC Universe who will be carrying the stories into 2009 and beyond.

11. So there’s still a role for the second generation characters who took the role while their mentors were not in it?

DD: There will be an enormous role for them moving forward. There’s a big role for them now – Kyle is in Green Lantern Corps, so he’s never been marginalized; Wally and Connor, and even Cassandra Cain will be appearing throughout the year, and will be seen in roles where they really have a chance to shine.

Or be dragged through the mud, depending on how you approach it.
Wait what was that again, Dan?

Kyle is in Green Lantern Corps, so he’s never been marginalizedWait what...?
Kyle’s never been marginalized
*fistthroughscreen*

I'm sorry but that is SUCH HORSE****. I can't even. Ugh. Oh my God. I. Guh.

GUH. Look. I've been singing the praises of GLC ever since issue one, long before Kyle ever appeared in it, long before it all of a sudden became the cool nu thing 'cause it ties into Blackest Night or whatefer. But GLC is not the DC Universe. We all know that there's many facets to the DCU; the main, central face being the JLA and the JSA, and then possibly the Titans on a good day. When was the last time Kyle took a direct part in that aspect of the DCU -- that central face -- alongside the likes of Superman and Batman like he used to? When was the last time he wasn't just the cameo in the background, the small face amidst other small faces in DCU group shots, that is if the artist even remembers to include him? When was the last time that Kyle's face appeared appeared on a poster I mean, he was a headliner in Countdown. And the entire point of Countdown was to use C-listers to headline a series. Donna Troy. Jason Todd. Piper and Trickster. Holly ****ing Robinson. That was Kyle's status for the past years. "Never been marginalized"? Compared to what, exactly?

And enough that he's deluded himself into thinking that of Kyle, but to claim that of characters like Connor Hawke and Cassandra Cain what are you ****ing kidding me. "Never been marginalized"? That's all that they have been!

And I'm not saying that it's the most horrible thing in the world to be a C-lister. Most good characters probably are C-listers depending on who you ask. But don't sell me horse**** by calling it grass! You made your "creative," "executive" choice to have your headlining A-list be dead white guys from the silver age. Others have been marginalized to make that happen. Maybe it was inevitable, maybe it wasn't, but don't pretend it didn't ****ing happen. The A-list needs breathing room in order to be A-list, it's practically in the definition.

[CBG]

*long rant*

I can go on a similar tirade. . . but I'll let this convey my opinion.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1708/rageplant.png (http://imageshack.us)

[BrianWilly]

I see your opinion and raise you a

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5068/ohdear.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9387/ohdear2.jpg

[Harlekin]

Eh, it didn't bother me too much in the long run. The Speed Force costume is so infinitely cooler as a concept than a costume that compresses to fit in a ring, though.
**** it. I love the Flash ring.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Speedforce costume is beyond ridiculous to me, Reading that they would actually do that makes me numb with despair for the industry. Even given that I hate the Speedforce in the first place, that is unimaginable.

[anrrd_2]

I can go on a similar tirade. . . but I'll let this convey my opinion.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1708/rageplant.png (http://imageshack.us)

I see your opinion and raise you a

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5068/ohdear.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9387/ohdear2.jpg


BWAHAHAHAHA:applaud:lmao:

[The Question]

I like the speed force, but I think it started to go a little too far at some points. I mean, what exactly to speed force constructs have to do with velocity or kinetic energy?

[Hush]

Why is this thread not stickied anymore?

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the speed force, but I think it started to go a little too far at some points. I mean, what exactly to speed force constructs have to do with velocity or kinetic energy?
Eh, it's a cool catch-all for interesting powers. It's no more or less ridiculous than a lot of other powers in comics.

[Hush]

I like the speed force, but I think it started to go a little too far at some points. I mean, what exactly to speed force constructs have to do with velocity or kinetic energy?

Well I mean it makes more sense than a cloth costume not getting torn to bits when approaching the speed of light. If the Speed Force is like an aura or life force, it would make sense that it would protect it's users.

[CLARKY]

Eh, it didn't bother me too much in the long run. The Speed Force costume is so infinitely cooler as a concept than a costume that compresses to fit in a ring, though.
Yeah i agree completely. The idea of the suit "hyper-comporessed in a ring (??) " seems completely dull to me. Again, to me wally west is the very concept of the Flash character but a maturated idea. I think they should get rid of the ring. because it is tradition of nostalgia does not mean it is good. That and "hey hello barry, would you analyse this ... OMG !! you are the flash !?!?!?! -what? no! of course not ! - come on ! I see your ring !!
I don't mind it so much because of the nostalgia, same way when Barry shouted out "Flash Fact" in FC it didn't bother me... but I don't like them permanently replacing good ideas with outdated ones for the sake of nostalgia or as DiDio puts it "recognisability".
And DC has been doing that a lot.
I am in complete agreement with every word you just said. The nostalgia doe snot disturb me, but "permanently replacing good ideas with outdated ones for the sake of nostalgia (or as DiDio puts it "recognisability") " is bad IMO.
I fear the moment when I will read Barry saying the traditionnal and IMO naively stupid "sorry, I'm late". I do not understand how the fastest man alive can be ALWAYS late.
...
oh wait he said it in Final Crisis already. My god. :whatever:

[Anubis]

The Speedforce costume is beyond ridiculous to me, Reading that they would actually do that makes me numb with despair for the industry. Even given that I hate the Speedforce in the first place, that is unimaginable.

Well that's because you suck. :mad:

[Bnightwing]

No invulnerability per say just Speedforce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Force)



Corp didn't read it because he is a masochist. It is great.

why is it great?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because yen is a sadist. Watch your limbs around him. For God's sake, watch your limbs! :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Bnightwing]

WHat about the absolute series like absolute Watchmen, Long Halloween, ect.

[Anubis]

why is it great?

Because reading it forces a mental reaction similar to shooting heroin and dropping acid at the same time.

Some people freak out and crap their pants, others find it quite entertaining. Only way to find out how you'll react is to read it for yourself.....or not....whatever.

[Bnightwing]

Is it hard cover?

[Anubis]

What do I look like? The Rockford Files? Find out for yourself.

Just kidding. Yes, it is in Hardcover.

And as far as the Absolutes, if you can afford to pay the price, then you should get some hookers instead. If you're too prissy for whores, then go ahead and buy em. If you're gonna buy either, best to have the best copy.

[Bnightwing]

I assume you bought it haha and how much is it if you know.

[Anubis]

Like 25 bucks. 16 if you grab it from Amazon.

Absolutes on the other had are like, 75 bucks. Slightly less at Amazon, but still.....EXSPENSIVE.

[Bnightwing]

Are they worth it though? And I am thinking about getting RIP...

[Anubis]

That depends...do you just want to read the story, or are you looking for something.....deeper? Cuz the Absolutes are like Ultra Special Edition DVDs with Commentary and extras. If all you want is to read the story, just buy a regular copy. No need to go broke for a prettier art and the occasional script or whatever.

[Bnightwing]

Well I have 'The Long Halloween' but it broke down the book spine and just thinking should I buy a new one or get absolute and never knew it came with a DVD.

[Anubis]

I didn't say it CAME with a DVD, it's LIKE a DVD.

[Bnightwing]

Ohhhh lol my bad tell me Anubis what are your top fav graphic novels? As of now

[CBG]

Good things about Absolutes. . . oversized art, hardcover with slipcase, and LOADS of extras and commentary about the story.

Negatives would be how expensive they are and probably how much they weigh. I have a few Absolutes myself, and none of my bookshelves can hold their combined weight.

[Bnightwing]

Which ones do you have?

[SuperFerret]

Did the Martian Manhunter ever meet Miss Martian before he died? I'm wondering how that meeting would've went.

[BrianWilly]

He did not.

[yenaled]

why is it great?

Pick up Batman: The Black Glove and Batman: RIP.

It's a tale of a secret organisation who have been plotting to ruin Bruce's life his entire life. Batman in RIP is attacked by them and it's a story how Batman fights against that.

Being Morrison it's not a straight forward tale but an awesome idea that everything that has ever happened in a Batman comic has happened to one person in their 30+ years and what a toll that would take upon a human mind and body. Also it's like an acid trip without the harmful side effects and wallet eating prices.

[The Question]

Did the Martian Manhunter ever meet Miss Martian before he died? I'm wondering how that meeting would've went.

Knowing J'onn, it would have been a combination of cheesy poeticness and long, awkward pauses.

[CBG]

Which ones do you have?

- Sandman Volume 1
- Sandman Volume 2
- Sandman Volume 3
- Sandman Volume 4
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Watchmen
- League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier
- Kingdom Come
- Batman: Long Halloween

Getting V for Vendetta and Death Absolutes later on (and Sandman Volume 5, if Gaiman and VERTIGO goes through with that).

Also have my sights on League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volumes 1 and 2, but I have to bid for those on E-Bay.

[robinjr]

I guess no one knows whether Bart Allen and Owen Mercer ever met?

[Anubis]

Knowing J'onn, it would have been a combination of cheesy poeticness and long, awkward pauses.

Ending with them splitting a bag of Oreos.

[Bnightwing]

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Black-Glove-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401219098/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235852211&sr=8-1

That black glove you are talkin about?

And why are people telling me that Sandman is such a good comic ,I picked it up (vol two I think) I was fairly confused about it but why do people tell me I need to read it?

[Anubis]

Ohhhh lol my bad tell me Anubis what are your top fav graphic novels? As of now

Hard to say. I prefer series.

Like Preacher, Sandman, Y the Last Man, Fables, or Planetary. Single stand alone graphic novels?

Hmm,

Watchmen I guess. The Long Halloween. Superman: Secret Identity. Kingdom Come. And a really awesome graphic Novel by Neil Gaimen called Murder Mysteries. About the first murder Mystery. Not Cain and Able.

Hmm, Watchmen

[Bnightwing]

What is Superman: Secret Identity?

[Anubis]

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Black-Glove-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401219098/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235852211&sr=8-1

That black glove you are talkin about?

And why are people telling me that Sandman is such a good comic ,I picked it up (vol two I think) I was fairly confused about it but why do people tell me I need to read it?

Because it's high art. Tell me, do you like Shakespeare? Greek Tragedies? Metaphysical story telling? If not, then Sandman isn't for you. Everything isn't for everybody.

[Manic]

And why are people telling me that Sandman is such a good comic ,I picked it up (vol two I think) I was fairly confused about it but why do people tell me I need to read it?
Sandman is a very good comic, but it's not for everyone. It moves pretty slowly, and it's like reading a long fairy tale or mythology.

The reason you were confused was because you picked up Vol. 2. It's not one of those comics you can pick up somewhere in the middle. At all. It has to be read from the beginning, in sequential order.

[Anubis]

What is Superman: Secret Identity?

Well, do you know who Superboy Prime is? He's the superboy of Earth Prime, which is essentially our Earth. One without any superheros. Here's this kid, whose name is Clark Kent. Always gets s**t from everybody because of his name (being the same as the comicbook character Superman) One day, he wakes up, and he's got Superman's powers. Well, this is the story of how that superboys life would have went had that whole Crisis thing not happened. Grows up. Has kids. all that. It's brilliant.

[Anubis]

Sandman is a very good comic, but it's not for everyone. It moves pretty slowly, and it's like reading a long fairy tale or mythology.

The reason you were confused was because you picked up Vol. 2. It's not one of those comics you can pick up somewhere in the middle. At all. It has to be read from the beginning, in sequential order.

Exactly.

If you want to give it another shot, I'd suggest picking up Endless Knights. It's a nice introduction to the entire Endless family. But if this sorta story telling isn't your cup of tea, don't waste your money.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Martian Manhunter cameos in volume 1 of Sandman. Read it! It's accessible!

[yenaled]

Haha Neil Gaiman really dislikes the JLA story in volume 1.

He says it was his unsuccessful attempt of combining the DCU with Sandman.

I should say as well if you don't like Sandman there will be a good probability that RIP isn't for you.

[FlawlessVictory]

As I understand it, Infinite Crisis ended with the creation of New Earth as the only Earth. But now I read that there exists a new multiverse. I tried reading up on the formation of the new multiverse in Wiki :hehe:, and read that it had something to do with Mister Mind, but it's still not clear to me.

My questions: How was this new multiverse created and who created it?

[TheCorpulent1]

The new Multiverse was created in 52. It started out as 52 other Earths that were identical to New Earth, created as byproducts of whatever it was Alex Luthor was doing to try and recreate Superboy Prime's "perfect" Earth. Mr. Mind started feeding off of the interdimensional energies between them (or something like that), which resulted in a vastly more powerful Mr. Mind and various differences popping up in the once-identical worlds. By the end of 52, Rip Hunter and Booster Gold had stopped Mr. Mind, but the "damage" to Earths was left unfixed, so now there are 53 different Earths in the Multiverse (counting New Earth).

[FlawlessVictory]

The new Multiverse was created in 52. It started out as 52 other Earths that were identical to New Earth, created as byproducts of whatever it was Alex Luthor was doing to try and recreate Superboy Prime's "perfect" Earth. Mr. Mind started feeding off of the interdimensional energies between them (or something like that), which resulted in a vastly more powerful Mr. Mind and various differences popping up in the once-identical worlds. By the end of 52, Rip Hunter and Booster Gold had stopped Mr. Mind, but the "damage" to Earths was left unfixed, so now there are 53 different Earths in the Multiverse (counting New Earth).

Thank you for answering. :yay:

[CBG]

Haha Neil Gaiman really dislikes the JLA story in volume 1.

He says it was his unsuccessful attempt of combining the DCU with Sandman.

Where did he say that?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

As I understand it, Infinite Crisis ended with the creation of New Earth as the only Earth.

No disrespect but I dont see how you came to that conclusion.

Infinite Crisis ended with the creation of a new Muitiverse with new earth being the focal point of all 52 earths.

"TheCorpulent1 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=2162)" got you the right info on the rest but the 52 earths were created as a by product of Alex Luther's plans to bring back earth 2.

[FlawlessVictory]

No disrespect but I dont see how you came to that conclusion.

Infinite Crisis ended with the creation of a new Muitiverse with new earth being the focal point of all 52 earths.

I was reading the Infinite Crisis summary on Wiki. There is no mention of this 52 Earth Multiverse in this summary, so I thought that was how IC ended, with the idea of there being only one Earth which is New Earth. So at the end of IC, the 52 Earth Multiverse is actually mentioned?

[yenaled]

Where did he say that?

In the forward (or afterword) to the tpb.

[DawnWarrior]

I was reading the Infinite Crisis summary on Wiki. There is no mention of this 52 Earth Multiverse in this summary, so I thought that was how IC ended, with the idea of there being only one Earth which is New Earth. So at the end of IC, the 52 Earth Multiverse is actually mentioned?
No it isn't; just the one true New Earth. You're right; Infinite Crisis ended with the there apparently being a single unified Earth. At the end of the 52 series (which came a whole year later), it was revealed that the new multiverse had sprung up in the wake of the end of IC, the way Corpulent described. So your confusion makes sense.

[BrianWilly]

No disrespect but I dont see how you came to that conclusion.

Infinite Crisis ended with the creation of a new Muitiverse with new earth being the focal point of all 52 earths.

"TheCorpulent1 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=2162)" got you the right info on the rest but the 52 earths were created as a by product of Alex Luther's plans to bring back earth 2.Well, like Corp said, none of that was revealed until the end of 52. The series "Infinite Crisis" itself ends only with the revelation of New Earth. If you only read that story, you'd have no idea that there was a multiverse again.

So it really depends on your semantics. In terms of the DCU chronology, the multiverse did indeed come back at the end of the "middle Crisis." But, technically, the Geoff Johns-written series called "Infinite Crisis" did not bring back the multiverse.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I was reading the Infinite Crisis summary on Wiki. There is no mention of this 52 Earth Multiverse in this summary, so I thought that was how IC ended, with the idea of there being only one Earth which is New Earth. So at the end of IC, the 52 Earth Multiverse is actually mentioned?

Are you sure your reading the right page.

Here's a link to the wiki page on Infinite Crisis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis

The reason I ask because the start of a new multiverse is mentioned.


Seeking to create a perfect world, Alexander restores many alternate Earths. The Earth-Two Lois dies, and an aggrieved Kal-L and the younger Superman Kal-El fight until Wonder Woman separates them.[10][11][12] Bart Allen (wearing Barry Allen's costume and aged to adulthood) emerges from the Speed Force, warning that he and the other speedsters were unable to hold Superboy-Prime, who returns wearing armor that stores yellow sun radiation to empower him.

Altho I wouldnt trust every thing you read on a Wiki page anyway.

No it isn't; just the one true New Earth. You're right; Infinite Crisis ended with the there apparently being a single unified Earth. At the end of the 52 series (which came a whole year later), it was revealed that the new multiverse had sprung up in the wake of the end of IC, the way Corpulent described. So your confusion makes sense.

Your right it wasnt mentioned.

But the birth of the new multiverse was shown.

Altho it was believe destroyed by the end on the mini.

Well, like Corp said, none of that was revealed until the end of 52. The series "Infinite Crisis" itself ends only with the revelation of New Earth. If you only read that story, you'd have no idea that there was a multiverse again.

So it really depends on your semantics. In terms of the DCU chronology, the multiverse did indeed come back at the end of the "middle Crisis." But, technically, the Geoff Johns-written series called "Infinite Crisis" did not bring back the multiverse.

Its funny you say that since it was heavily implied that the mulivers was indeed back.

Yes they made it seem like it had all folded back into new earth but I sure didnt believe that BS for a sec.

I couldnt believe that Geoff Johns, the guy whos trying to bring back the Silver Age bit by bit, would go to the trouble of bringing back a Multiverse just to destroy it again.

Either way Alex Luthers machine was at least, in part, responsible for the new multiverse creation.

[CBG]

In the forward (or afterword) to the tpb.

For the Deluxe Edition, I'm presuming?

[FlawlessVictory]

No it isn't; just the one true New Earth. You're right; Infinite Crisis ended with the there apparently being a single unified Earth. At the end of the 52 series (which came a whole year later), it was revealed that the new multiverse had sprung up in the wake of the end of IC, the way Corpulent described. So your confusion makes sense.

Well, like Corp said, none of that was revealed until the end of 52. The series "Infinite Crisis" itself ends only with the revelation of New Earth. If you only read that story, you'd have no idea that there was a multiverse again.

So it really depends on your semantics. In terms of the DCU chronology, the multiverse did indeed come back at the end of the "middle Crisis." But, technically, the Geoff Johns-written series called "Infinite Crisis" did not bring back the multiverse.

Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thanks!

Are you sure your reading the right page.

Here's a link to the wiki page on Infinite Crisis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis

The reason I ask because the start of a new multiverse is mentioned

Right, with Luthor restoring multiple Earths but they end up ultimately merging into New Earth anyway. Then the revelation of the 52 other Earths is made.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Right, with Luthor restoring multiple Earths but they end up ultimately merging into New Earth anyway. Then the revelation of the 52 other Earths is made.

Right...and that revelation was that the Multiple earths that Luther restored never really merged into New Earth.

The revelation was that Luther succeed in creating a new Multiverse.

[BrianWilly]

True, but all those Earths were identical to each other, so for all purposes they were all just one universe.

Mr. Mind was the one who truly created the new multiverse, from consuming "events" and flapping his wings and stuff.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

True, but all those Earths were identical to each other, so for all purposes they were all just one universe.

Mr. Mind was the one who truly created the new multiverse, from consuming "events" and flapping his wings and stuff.

They were copies of new earth that may not have been different up till the point of being coppied.

But whos to say if things would have remained the same after wards.

I can make a hundred copies of one peace of paper to day but whos to say what would happen to each copy in the next 100 days.

Mr.Mind may have made the multiverse what it is today.....but he did not created it.

He reshaped it.

[WompuM]

Well, do you know who Superboy Prime is? He's the superboy of Earth Prime, which is essentially our Earth. One without any superheros. Here's this kid, whose name is Clark Kent. Always gets s**t from everybody because of his name (being the same as the comicbook character Superman) One day, he wakes up, and he's got Superman's powers. Well, this is the story of how that superboys life would have went had that whole Crisis thing not happened. Grows up. Has kids. all that. It's brilliant.

Ugh. I really like to think that Superman: Secret Identity does not take place on Earth Prime or anywhere in the multiverse. I like the Superboy Prime villain, but it just isnt the same man as Clark Kent.

[Anubis]

Yeah, I've been meaning to go back and edit that. Superman: Secret Identity really has nothing to do with Emoboy Prime. The Superman in that is just about an entirely different character and shouldn't be tainted by the mere mention of that mildly entertaining despite his emoness douche bag.

[WompuM]

Precisely. Under Johns, SBP can be a lot of fun. For instance, when Lo3W comes out, I'm sure my grandchildren will really appreciate it. And by then, they'll have dust repellent paper like in Back to the Future Part II, so collecting will be even easier. Hopefully Busiek will get off his making sequels to his classics kick and stay away from Secret Identity.

You know, I'm in the library trying to procrastinate from studying, but there are two frat bras outside who wont shut the **** up. If I wasnt a giant pussy, I would say something to em.

[Anubis]

Thinking it is just as good.

[Spike_x1]

Not really. Throwing something at them and running away is even better. :up:

[Anubis]

Yeah, but we're talking about WompuM here! He'd probably be too drunk to get away....and then the pounding would begin. Plus, they're frat guys. They'll probably rape him to boot.

[Spike_x1]

His lips say "no," but his eyes say "yes."

And then his lips say "mmph! Get that out of my mouth! Ahh!"

[BrianWilly]

They were copies of new earth that may not have been different up till the point of being coppied.

But whos to say if things would have remained the same after wards.

I can make a hundred copies of one peace of paper to day but whos to say what would happen to each copy in the next 100 days.Well, technically, studies in things like causality and chaos theory pretty specifically say that they would remain the exact same. If you have two exact duplicate stream of events and no "catalyst" came around to make one different from the other, then they would be the same two exactly identical stream of events until the end of time.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, technically, studies in things like causality and chaos theory pretty specifically say that they would remain the exact same. If you have two exact duplicate stream of events and no "catalyst" came around to make one different from the other, then they would be the same two exactly identical stream of events until the end of time.

And the theories of random choice/chance suggest other wise.

52 [or millions] of alternate versions of each person in each universe and one one of them making that one random choice that would lead to making the universe not identical.

[DA Dent]

Is Ra’s al Ghul Jonah Hex’s father, and Talia his sister?

I seen it here, but couldn’t find it anywhere else.

http://www.comicvine.com/jonah-hex/29-3614/friends/

[Anubis]

pfft hell no.

[The Question]

Is Blue Beetle's name really pronounced "Hai-May?" Because I always pronounced the j in my head when I was reading it.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's the proper Spanish pronunciation, but Jaime's pretty Americanized. He's probably cool with either pronunciation. I knew a guy named Jaime who went by "Hai-may" with family and "Jimmy" with friends, so I've been reading the series with Jaime's family, Paco, and Brenda pronouncing it the Spanish way and everyone else pronouncing it the Americanized way.

[Anubis]

If theres one thing I learned from high school Spanish, it's that the J in Spanish is pronounced like an H. That and that bald chicks that wear poofy military pants are probably lesbians.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Is Ra’s al Ghul Jonah Hex’s father, and Talia his sister?

I seen it here, but couldn’t find it anywhere else.

http://www.comicvine.com/jonah-hex/29-3614/friends/

I believe who ever wrote that got the impression from a episode of Batman the animated serries.

An ageing Hex was hunting a character called Arkady Duvall who was the son of Ras.

[Manic]

I never got around to reading Blue Beetle, so I was shocked to hear him called Jaime on Brave and the Bold because I mistakenly read his name as Jamie a while back.

[batnkevlar]

Why is there a Bizarro in Solomon Grundy #1 and also a Bizarro in Strange Adventures #1?

[yenaled]

why not?

[Anubis]

Best f**kin answer that question's gonna get.

[CBG]

That's actually the answer DiDio provides.

[Lobo]

Did Barda appear in any fashion during Final Crisis?

[BrianWilly]

A backshot of her was shown in the very last issue, where the New Gods are reborn in Earth-51.

[Lobo]

Thanks, Brian.

[Anubis]

Earth 51?!? wtf?

[BrianWilly]

Unofficially the Kirby Earth now, where things like Kamandi and the Old New Gods are.

[WolfCypher]

Has the post-FC status quo kicked in yet? The aftermath of FC feels too much like pre-FC, except for Batman's deathappearance.

[yenaled]

JSA mentioned the "Darkseid Incident", no Hawks, no Batman, Barry is back, no Monitors, no New Gods, Darksied is dead, Aquaman is back, then the FC aftermath stories are later.

Because FC dealt with time anomalies and all sorts it's not left the world significantly different and it's difficult to explain how it affected the world. A little like Rock of Ages.

The thing is as well Final Crisis dealt a lot with characters who don't have monthlies, Checkmate, Rennie Montoya, The Atoms, New Gods/Darkseid, Monitors, Alpha Lanterns, Bludhaven, Uncle Sam & Freedom Fighters, the Flashs, SHADE, Frankenstein, Aquaman, then Morissons own creations for the series.

These characters don't have the books to show how their world is going on now - to me the problem is that while Morisson has done this huge event DC haven't supported it through their own titles.

[CBG]

JSA mentioned the "Darkseid Incident

I thought they referred to Countdown, since Mary Marvel is still Black Mary Marvel.

[WompuM]

Whatever happened to the ScareBeast? Last I saw him he was in a spalsh page of villains united. any appearances since? Even of Crane?

[VampElvis]

So I saw Icon in this month's JLA and I see where Static Shock is now replaying on the old dumber-downer. But never having read the any of the miestone comics, my question is did Ebon appear in the Static comic or was he only in the cartoon? If in both - where the roles vastly different?

[Spike_x1]

Wasn't this thread stickied, or did I hallucinate that?