The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[Manic]

I read the first 3 issues during OYL, couldn't stay interested, and dropped it. I used OYL as a jumping-on point for a lot of DC books, but when my load got too large, some books had to get dropped. I thought I'd simply drop Flash for a while, wait until I heard some huge buzz about the writer going on a hot streak, and pick it up again.

Then Bart died. Oops.

[trustyside-kick]

Is it final that Jason Todd is going to become Red Robin?

Because that is possibly the only reason I will hold onto Countdown. I'm curious how his transformation will occur, from being a villain/anit-hero like character, to a hero once again.

[Doc Destruction]

Yes, confimed by Didio. They gave an issue # too, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

[Prognosticator]

How can you kill possibly hundreds of people, and then have a change of heart? Wouldn't your heart, you know, harder by that point?

[trustyside-kick]

That's why I'm so interested in the transformation. His was pure badass anti-hero in Under the Hood. Now he is supposed to become Red Robin? Makes me real curious.

[Kitsune]

That's why I'm so interested in the transformation. His was pure badass anti-hero in Under the Hood. Now he is supposed to become Red Robin? Makes me real curious.

It seems a little unlikely that it will be pulled off convincingly.

[trustyside-kick]

It seems a little unlikely that it will be pulled off convincingly.

Sadly, I would have to agree. Considering Countdown has sucked so badly lately...I wouldn't be surprised.

[TheCorpulent1]

Jason Todd himself kind of attracts suckage by the bucketload. I actually blame some of Countdown's suckage solely on the fact that he's playing a major role in the series.

Also, the fact that he changes his costume and name to Red Robin's doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be any less of an anti-hero. He's not the Kingdom Come Red Robin, after all; that's canonically Dick Grayson already. I know all bets are supposed to be off post-IC, but I doubt they'd retcon something out of Kingdom Come.

[dchisholm]

why don't batman's criminals just stay in at night when batman's out and just commit crimes during the day when bruce wayne's asleep? bats are, indeed, nocturnal.

[Manic]

Why do people bother shooting at Superman?

[Anubis]

The real question is, why does he duck after they run out of bullets and throw their guns at him?

[Mister J]

The real question is, why does he duck after they run out of bullets and throw their guns at him?
I always loved that about the Reeves series. :woot:

[Dr. Fate]

What are the best Flash trade paperbacks?

[TheCorpulent1]

Anything by Mark Waid, especially Born to Run and Dead Heat. Most of the trades by Johns, as well.

[Anubis]

Born to Run, Return of Berry Allen, Dead Heat, Race against time, Terminal Velocity, Blood will run, Rogues, Crossfire, Blitz, Ignition, Secret of Berry Allen, Rogue War.

[yenaled]

Return of Barry Allen <3

http://liam.dovka.org/jaysmack.jpg

Just read all the trades in order.

[TheCorpulent1]

If only DC would finish collecting the Waid issues and the Millar/Morrison issues from Waid's little hiatus around the #130s. The trades-only readers must finally bask in the glory of Krakkl of Kwyzz!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/krakkl.jpg

:(

[Mister J]

OK, I had to Google that one for myself. Imaginary friend?; Defender of the Frequencies? Wow.

I'm actually kinda intrigued. :confused: :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Krakkl was great. He was what Wally always thought was an imaginary friend, but then he and Wally finally meet in this interdimensional race and, of course, it all comes down to the two of them in the final leg. Great arc. :up:

[Prognosticator]

Anything by Mark Waid, especially Born to Run and Dead Heat. Most of the trades by Johns, as well.

LoL! That's a LOT of trades! :woot: Johns & Wade practically wrote the entire volume!

[TheCorpulent1]

And every issue of their runs was still solid gold. :)

[Prognosticator]

I agree. But I was a sparratic reader. :( Is there a chronological list of the story arcs somewhere handy?

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean of the ones collected in trades, or in the whole series?

[trustyside-kick]

This could've been posted in this thread...but it concerns merchandise so I put it in the Products section. But seeing as how I doubt many people look at that section...I'm going to go ahead and ask if you guys could help me find the item I'm looking for (the link goes to the thread I made in that other section):

AQUAMAN & AQUALAD Deluxe Action Figure Set (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280612)

[Prognosticator]

You mean of the ones collected in trades, or in the whole series?

A chronological list of trades. I've been searching (not hard) for that for a while. I've got a mega Flash-itch that I need to scratch, but I want some order to my reading.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://tplist.millarworld.net/flash.html

The Waid stuff starts under "Volume 2" and continues into the Johns stuff.

[Prognosticator]

:wow: Thanks!!

[TheCorpulent1]

No problem. Millarworld's trade list is a thing of beauty (wrongly alphabetized beauty in some cases, but still).

[Spike_x1]

There's one Superman villain that I know virtually nothing about, and am very interested in: Ignition. Can someone please give me a rundown of his origin, powers, etc, and where he is now? I think that he had an awesome and striking visual quality to him, and he seemed to have some heavy duty firepower and strength to back him up, but other than that, I don't know much. :(

[The Question]

There's one Superman villain that I know virtually nothing about, and am very interested in: Ignition. Can someone please give me a rundown of his origin, powers, etc, and where he is now? I think that he had an awesome and striking visual quality to him, and he seemed to have some heavy duty firepower and strength to back him up, but other than that, I don't know much. :(

I do believe he was a member of the Justice League The Joker created when he had Mxyzptlk's powers.

[Spike_x1]

Yeah, he was part of Joker's Justice League, but one of the interesting things about him was that Joker didn't know where the hell he came from. I know Ignition served Zod too, but after that, I'm drawing a blank. I'm kinda scared that, in all likelihood, he doesn't even exist on New Earth.

[Dr. Fate]

Anything by Mark Waid, especially Born to Run and Dead Heat. Most of the trades by Johns, as well.
Thank you.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why don't the Flash or Green Lantern have their very own forums?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because they don't have movies that are very far along in development.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

bah!

[PhotoJones]

Here's a something for all the DC Zombies:

I read a lot of comics, but aside from Vertigo and the occasional (very rare) Wildstorm book, I don't read any DC titles. Now, I have my reasons and I won't go into those. But I was wondering if there are any DC Zombies on these boards that do not read any Marvel titles. I'm just curious as to what your views on Marvel Comics are.

[TheCorpulent1]

They're lame. They got ****ty characters at Marvel. Like Thor. Thor? Dude, that's not even their character. They just stole his ass from the myths. House of Ideas my ass. :whatever:

[Obi-John-Kenobi]

They're lame. They got ****ty characters at Marvel. Like Thor. Thor? Dude, that's not even their character. They just stole his ass from the myths. House of Ideas my ass. :whatever:
Yeah, that Stan Lee's full of *****.
























































(joke)

[TheCorpulent1]

Here's a something for all the DC Zombies:

I read a lot of comics, but aside from Vertigo and the occasional (very rare) Wildstorm book, I don't read any DC titles. Now, I have my reasons and I won't go into those. But I was wondering if there are any DC Zombies on these boards that do not read any Marvel titles. I'm just curious as to what your views on Marvel Comics are.
What Wildstorm books do you read?

[Byrd Man]

Okay. I've got a question, may be stupid, this is the only way to find out.

Okay, so Owen Mercer is the son of Captain Boomerang and Meloni Thawne. How does he have superspeed? Bart's speed comes from his father's side and Meloni doesn't seem to have superspeed. Did he inherit by being a descendent Professor Zoom or did DC just drop the ball?

Thanks for the answer in advace.

[PhotoJones]

What Wildstorm books do you read?

It's very rare. Right now, I think I'm reading two, which is huge. I'm reading The Programme and The Highwaymen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, I'm reading The Highwaymen, too. It's pretty good so far. Nothing spectacular, but I honestly think I'm incapable of ever getting bored of the buddy cop format. I really do like way too many variants on that theme...

[PhotoJones]

Ah, I'm reading The Highwaymen, too. It's pretty good so far. Nothing spectacular, but I honestly think I'm incapable of ever getting bored of the buddy cop format. I really do like way too many variants on that theme...

It's a pretty flawless formula. You actually have to try and **** it up, the stuff writes itself so well.

[Mr.Dent]

So I'm wondering:

Is Batman Confidential in-continuity? Please tell me it isn't, because they're just messing with the Joker's origins now, aren't they?

[Fledermaus]

It's in-continuity stories of important moments in Batman's past.

[Mr.Dent]

It's in-continuity stories of important moments in Batman's past.

Oh.

..crap

[Mister J]

Okay. I've got a question, may be stupid, this is the only way to find out.

Okay, so Owen Mercer is the son of Captain Boomerang and Meloni Thawne. How does he have superspeed? Bart's speed comes from his father's side and Meloni doesn't seem to have superspeed. Did he inherit by being a descendent Professor Zoom or did DC just drop the ball?

Thanks for the answer in advace.
I don't think they've explained his speed bursts yet, not that I'm aware of at least.

So I'm wondering:

Is Batman Confidential in-continuity? Please tell me it isn't, because they're just messing with the Joker's origins now, aren't they?

Yes it is and yes they are.

[The Question]

I don't think they've explained his speed bursts yet, not that I'm aware of at least.

His mother was from the future and the origional Professor Zoom's descendant. She was also Bart Allen's mother, so they're half brothers.

[Dr. Fate]

http://tplist.millarworld.net/flash.html

The Waid stuff starts under "Volume 2" and continues into the Johns stuff.
Cool.


What is Supergirl's current strength level? Is she on par with Superman, is she at Wonder Woman's level, just a little below, just a little above?

[Anubis]

Just a bit below Supes supposedly. ( Didn't read the issue but all those times they were saying she was stronger than Supes, Supes was holding back or some bulls**t.)

[Prognosticator]

Does DC have an available TBP in print of the Kamandi(sp?) storyline from way back when??

[Anubis]

Nope.

[Prognosticator]

RRRrrrrrr! :cmad:


...is it any good? :huh:

[Anubis]

If you're into that talking animals and post apocalyptic worlds in a silver age setting sorta thing.

[Prognosticator]

well, i mean, since it's comin' back and all :o

[Anubis]

meh, theres no reason to go back and read everything that gets revamped. Sometimes, it's best just to ignore what's gone before and enjoy (Or ignore in my case) the ride. Or not. It's up to you really. I don't care.

[Prognosticator]

I just wondered, if it was important enough to ret-con, is it really that good?

[TheCorpulent1]

It doesn't necessarily mean it was important or good. It just means that Didio or someone else with enough pull to get retcons done liked Kamandi.

[yenaled]

Kamandi's been reprinted in an achieve hardback.

[Prognosticator]

I think retconning some of these ideas aren't that bad. It's fun for now, as long as Superman doesn't start creating miniature versions of himself to sacrifice to falling asteroids! :cmad:

[trustyside-kick]

Kamandi was one of Kirby's guys, right? Never read it before.

[Prognosticator]

Yeah

[kytrigger]

Has Willingham ever said that there is a specific end to Fables in teh reletively near future? Is it like Y:TLM where it can go on for a whiel, but a definate end, or is he leaving it open?

[yenaled]

I'm pretty sure he has said it will be a finite series.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it'll be ending anytime soon, though.

[Prognosticator]

I :heart: Fables

[Manic]

Yikes. I just realized I'm way behind in Fables. I normally pick up trades, and I think the last one I read was Arabian Nights & Days.

[yenaled]

I only have the first trade :x

I'm waiting for Y to end then I'll move onto Fables.

[Prognosticator]

I've got the first 5 trades of each :up:

But I don't wizz through them all at once. I think Y & Fables are like a fine Cigar or Wine, it must be savored and enjoyed over time.

They're not McDonalds!

[Phenomenal]

Excuse me???

Who has beaten the Green Lanterns?

I could only name a few like Deathstroke and Superboy Prime!

[Anubis]

That Deathstroke one was bulls**t. But if it's in print, I guess it counts.

Legion killed dozens of GL's
Sinestro and, much of the Sinestro Corps.
Hal Jordan/Paralax
Ra's Ahul Ghul and the league of assassins by way of Batman's protocols
Too many to name really.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, GLs get pwned all the time. Gamemnae and her League of Ancients killed Kyle, too.

[Phenomenal]

Thanks guys you always help me out.

[Anubis]

We try not to be helpful, but sometimes a few good deeds slip out here and there.

[Phenomenal]

Hey, got anymore names I can use???

[Prognosticator]

Darthphere.

[Anubis]

Holly Goodhead

[Phenomenal]

Darthphere.

Anymore,..

Thank you I do appreciate this!!!

[Anubis]

Lol

[Prognosticator]

No problem :up:

He tries to take down Green Lantern on a pretty regular basis! It's foes like that that drove Hal to giving into Parallax! :(

[Phenomenal]

Deathstroke, Didn't aquaman beat a Gren lantern.

[trustyside-kick]

Aquaman defeated an evil Earth 2 lantern, as well as one time he beat up Hal. He went toe to toe with Kyle when he was a "noobie" and won as well.

[BrianWilly]

I recall Kyle defeating Deathstroke, too, way back in the day when Slade wasn't an overused, overrated, overstupid fart.

The Spider Guild of Vega killed a bunch of GL rookies. And I think Kalibak had to have beaten Kyle at least once.

I imagine that J'onn J'onnz, the Martian Manhunter, could beat a GL with relative ease. At least, Fernus could.

Black Adam of course overpowered Guy, John, and Alan during 52. Are we including Alan in this?

[TheCorpulent1]

As long as we're not counting people who've beaten him because of that stupid wood weakness, I don't see why not.

[Fledermaus]

Batman sucker-punched Hal. Does that count?

[BrianWilly]

Hal sucker-punched Batman.

[Kebab gud]

Batman sucker-punched Hal. Does that count?
EVERY ONE! has knocked Hal on his ass.. even his best friends Barry and Ollie..

[Fledermaus]

Hal sucker-punched Batman.

Nah, Batman's prep time saw that punch coming and he rolled with it. It was all part of a master plan implemented seconds before Batman punched Hal.

[AMAZO]

Well I dont know were to post this... weird forum style.
If in the Justice League, while Brainiac had successfully entered a AMAZO android? What would be the consequences.

[sojazu]

I was reading the first issue of the Aquaman '89 mini series and I'm a little confused. It takes off from his latest title/run? Wasn't that in the 70s? Where is this taking off from? He's no longer king or something and such.

[Anubis]

Well I dont know were to post this... weird forum style.
If in the Justice League, while Brainiac had successfully entered a AMAZO android? What would be the consequences.


Braniac would have attained God like power and destroyed the universe.

[trustyside-kick]

I was reading the first issue of the Aquaman '89 mini series and I'm a little confused. It takes off from his latest title/run? Wasn't that in the 70s? Where is this taking off from? He's no longer king or something and such.

I'm actually wondering the same thing too. I understand the Aquaman mythos, and his 90s revision with the origin and everything from then on there, as well as stuff from the 60s and 70s...but the gap from the 70s to 90s is a blur. I didn't even know about the JLA Detroit thing til a while ago where he appearently was seperated from Mera and no longer King already? And then he got back with her? But didn't she go pyscho in the 90s and left him and then came back during PADs run? I don't know how he stopped being King though prior to JLA Detroit.

[Red Leader]

Uh... The last time I... Purchased... Justice, it wasn't done yet. Is it now?

Another question: Has there ever been an author that has recognized the concept of, or actually mentioned in an issue, prep time?

[Anubis]

Justice is all finished now.

Yes. Just recently in issue 666 of Batman, his son, Damien said and I quote:
"The Victory is in the Preparation, dad used to say..."

Followed later by:

"...I spent my first three years as Batman making my job easy for myself. Turning the city itself into a weapon. The victory is in the preparation. So I Booby-Trapped every single prominent building in Gotham...including this one."

Awsome read by the way. Check it out if you can.

[Darthphere]

I indeed beat the **** out of Hal Jordan.

[Prognosticator]

LOL. I noticed.


I'm such a stooge. I subscribed to Justice WAY back before it started. Now its finished and I've still never started reading it! :o

I should have waited for the trades :(

[yenaled]

Justice is all finished now.

Yes. Just recently in issue 666 of Batman, his son, Damien said and I quote:
"The Victory is in the Preparation, dad used to say..."

Followed later by:

"...I spent my first three years as Batman making my job easy for myself. Turning the city itself into a weapon. The victory is in the preparation. So I Booby-Trapped every single prominent building in Gotham...including this one."

Awsome read by the way. Check it out if you can.

I didn't bother checking that out but been hearing good things, may check it out after dropping Batman after the ninja man-bats arc.

[sojazu]

I was reading the first issue of the Aquaman '89 mini series and I'm a little confused. It takes off from his latest title/run? Wasn't that in the 70s? Where is this taking off from? He's no longer king or something and such.

No one knows this? :(

[yenaled]

It was post-COIE. So it was a retelling/restart of Aquaman origin (shifting a few things about). Not much that came after COIE directly followed on from pre-1984 series.

If it the Aquaman series I think you are on about (The Legend of Aquaman).

[trustyside-kick]

Not sure you got what he means. I think I do, cause I don't know really well either.

He wants to know what happened to cause Aquaman to no longer be King of Atlantis; if there was an issue or event that caused him to no longer be King. Because there was a huge gap of time from his 70s run to the '89 mini (where he goes back to Poseidonis and isn't King anymore) of Aquaman having some title of his own.

And I recall him already not being King anymore in the I think it was '86 JLA (known as JLDetroit). So it was before that even that he no longer was King.

Also, I know there was an '86 mini with the "camo" blue suit. Was it in that? But wasn't that a relaunch of Aquaman yet again, but it established the magic in Atlantis as well as Thierna Na Oge and Ocean Master being a magic-user? I never read that mini. Could that have been when he lost his "Kingship" of Poseidonis? But was this before JLDetroit?

I've grown to become a huge Aquaman fan...but this gap in time I've never begun to understand. And it isn't just because of COIE...he had a lot of minis and such in that gap.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Justice is all finished now.

Yes. Just recently in issue 666 of Batman, his son, Damien said and I quote:
"The Victory is in the Preparation, dad used to say..."

Followed later by:

"...I spent my first three years as Batman making my job easy for myself. Turning the city itself into a weapon. The victory is in the preparation. So I Booby-Trapped every single prominent building in Gotham...including this one."

Awsome read by the way. Check it out if you can.

hell yeah it was an awesom read indeed. wish it'nt only one ish tho. 2 0r 3 would've been nice.

[yenaled]

Not sure you got what he means. I think I do, cause I don't know really well either.

He wants to know what happened to cause Aquaman to no longer be King of Atlantis; if there was an issue or event that caused him to no longer be King. Because there was a huge gap of time from his 70s run to the '89 mini (where he goes back to Poseidonis and isn't King anymore) of Aquaman having some title of his own.

And I recall him already not being King anymore in the I think it was '86 JLA (known as JLDetroit). So it was before that even that he no longer was King.

Also, I know there was an '86 mini with the "camo" blue suit. Was it in that? But wasn't that a relaunch of Aquaman yet again, but it established the magic in Atlantis as well as Thierna Na Oge and Ocean Master being a magic-user? I never read that mini. Could that have been when he lost his "Kingship" of Poseidonis? But was this before JLDetroit?

I've grown to become a huge Aquaman fan...but this gap in time I've never begun to understand. And it isn't just because of COIE...he had a lot of minis and such in that gap.

The '86 Blue Suit relaunch was the first "new continuity" attempt to Aquaman, which tanked, so in '89 they did it again with Legend of Aquaman. As far as I know it doesn't continue on from anything at all. He's not King because it's meant to be a bit of a restart.

I could be wrong but that's how I thought it went down.

[trustyside-kick]

Somewhere on the Aquaman fan site it mentions him giving up the throne after his son dies...but it doesn't specify an issue or title. I guess it's just "in the air" and not in paper of when he gave up the throne. But appearently it was after his son died.

That makes more sense than it being a 100% relaunch. Everything from the Silver Age is basically in cannon for Aquaman; I understood that. Just small things like his origin and some of Ocean Master and Black Manta stuff is different. Cause back in the Silver Age, Orm was just an underwater "pirate" basically. Same can basically be said with Manta...but in the beginning of the Silver Age he had those "manta men". So stuff like that I know is different. But like characters like Green Arrow, all of Aquaman's stuff is basically in continuity I guess.

But it makes me wonder if that changes for the Fisherman. In the OYL title, it was a whole new take for the Fisherman; making the "helmet" a living creature and all. So do you take out the earlier Fisherman stories from contiuity? Or is it suggested the creature possessed the first one? The Human Flying Fish is the same though, just now the guy has a better suit; those other three are the only villains really effected by the modern age basically.

So I doubt just because it was a restart, he wouldn't be King just cause it was a restart.

[yenaled]

Well no, not many characters had solid restarts after COIE, but more loose restarts that just took somethings out of continuity and set different status-quos.

[SenseiofCheese]

Does Ross's "Justice" share continuity with "Kingdom Come"?

[Kebab gud]

Does Ross's "Justice" share continuity with "Kingdom Come"?
nope

Kingdome Come is Golden age gone Nuts
Justice is Silver Age gone Nuts..

cant wait for his next project :P

[Kebab gud]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/7p7/gabcwedspes.jpg

Who is the Southeast Asian looking chick with the pink fluffy bra?

[Anubis]

nope

Kingdome Come is Golden age gone Nuts
Justice is Silver Age gone Nuts..

cant wait for his next project :P

Actually that's all kinda up in the air really. Could be, might be. Possibly not.

[Phenomenal]

I recall Kyle defeating Deathstroke, too, way back in the day when Slade wasn't an overused, overrated, overstupid fart.

The Spider Guild of Vega killed a bunch of GL rookies. And I think Kalibak had to have beaten Kyle at least once.

I imagine that J'onn J'onnz, the Martian Manhunter, could beat a GL with relative ease. At least, Fernus could.

Black Adam of course overpowered Guy, John, and Alan during 52. Are we including Alan in this?

Thankyou more please!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Drakon]

nope

Kingdome Come is Golden age gone Nuts
Justice is Silver Age gone Nuts..

cant wait for his next project :P

GarbAge gone nuts?

[Kebab gud]

Actually that's all kinda up in the air really. Could be, might be. Possibly not.
Kingdome Come was based on Golden age characters like Green Lantern was Alan Scott.. the most eye catching feature of the flash was Jays helmet .. and so on..

while Justice was a Silver age Lovefest..

[Anubis]

The only reason it was Alan Scott is because they couldn't get Hal and Ross didn't want to use Kyle.

And the Flash was a mixture of all the Flashes. Kid Flash was Wally's daughter Iris. Like I said, it's still kinda up in the air.

[trustyside-kick]

Cannot call it Golden Age because Batman would've been a murdering psycho practically, and for example Aquaman wouldn't be King (if you want to get technical). There are other things, but...those stick out most to me since those 2 are my 2 top favorite heroes.

[Anubis]

Then you got Superboy and Supergirl in the 31st centery, Black Canary's daughter being Black Canary 3 instead of Black Canary 2, tons of stuff.

[trustyside-kick]

I don't think it really matters if it was mainly relating to one age. If anything...it's the modern age just he chose certain characters over others like Alan Scott for "the GL" of the story.

[Anubis]

And lets face it, out of all the GL's, when it comes down to it, Alan F**king Scott's gonna be the last one standing anyway.

[Silicon Surfer]

According to Who's Who in the DC universe the Shark overthrew Aquaman and forced him and his family to flee. After the Shark was finally defeated Aquaman was offered the throne back but refused it, preferring to remain a hero instead.

[Anubis]

Go Orin. Ruling stuff sucks. Just once I'd like to see a Superhero ask one of these world domination types, why the hell would you want to have to deal with all that goes into ruling the world? Do you really wanna have to deal with Israel and Palestine? Every little piece of crap problem and petty squabble that goes on in this world? Not to mention the constant uprisings that will inevitably follow. Screw that, just rob a bank or something.

[trustyside-kick]

According to Who's Who in the DC universe the Shark overthrew Aquaman and forced him and his family to flee. After the Shark was finally defeated Aquaman was offered the throne back but refused it, preferring to remain a hero instead.

EDIT: Is that referring to my earlier question? Because I think I know what story you are talking about. It's from Adventure Comics. Thing is, in that story the Shark trapped Aquaman, made him agree to some hunt, but in the end Aquaman tricked him into falling into some toxic waste that turned the Shark back into a normal tiger shark again. There was never a "overthrowing" by The Shark, but Vulko took up the throne so Aquaman could be a family man and a hero.

I wasn't sure if this carried over into the 80s/90s though.

[Harlekin]

Cannot call it Golden Age because Batman would've been a murdering psycho practically, and for example Aquaman wouldn't be King (if you want to get technical). There are other things, but...those stick out most to me since those 2 are my 2 top favorite heroes.
The Batman thing is not really true. Although people often think the Golden Age Batman was a murderer based on the whole carrying of an automatic thing, he only did so for like a year in real-time, and stopped doing so after Robin appeared. He spent a lot more years as just a psycho than as a murdering psychopath.

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't that part of his post-Crisis backstory, too? From Year Two or Three or something?

[Fledermaus]

Year Two. But I would bet that Batman's gun carrying days were SUPERBOY-PRIME PUNCHED!!!! out of continuity. I'm still waiting on the Joe Chill story.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the gun-carrying days. Shows that even Batman didn't start off knowing it all.

That brings up something I've wondered about for a while, though: given his absolute opposition to lethal force, has Batman himself ever killed anyone, either intentionally or accidentally?

[Fledermaus]

Are we talking Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis or New Earth? Cause the only one I'm sure of is New Earth, which is no. Or at least not yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was thinking more of the post-Crisis version, since that's the one I'm most familiar with and I thought the New Earth one hadn't been expanded upon enough to really say for certain.

[Andy C.]

Post-Crisis, no. In fact, I wanna say that Batman hasn't killed anyone since 1940 (the Burton movies aside)

[TheCorpulent1]

Okay, that's good. I like the fact that he's one of the darker, almost anti-heroic figures, but he still adheres to a strict no-killing policy.

[Fledermaus]

I agree. That's probably the main reason the GCPD tolerate such a large vigilante population in Gotham. It would make for an interesting story for one of the Bat-family to loose it and kill someone.


Wait it already happened. *cough* Leslie Thompkins *cough*. And it wasn't interesting at all. It was the opposite of interesting. I can't remember, what do you call that?

[SenseiofCheese]

Wait it already happened. *cough* Leslie Thompkins *cough*. And it wasn't interesting at all. It was the opposite of interesting. I can't remember, what do you call that?

Anything written by Brian Michael Bendis?

[Kitsune]

I agree. That's probably the main reason the GCPD tolerate such a large vigilante population in Gotham. It would make for an interesting story for one of the Bat-family to loose it and kill someone.


Wait it already happened. *cough* Leslie Thompkins *cough*. And it wasn't interesting at all. It was the opposite of interesting. I can't remember, what do you call that?
Boring? arid, bomb, bromidic, bummer, characterless, cloying, colorless, commonplace, dead, drab, drag, drudging, dull, flat, ho hum, humdrum, insipid, interminable, irksome, lifeless, monotonous, moth-eaten, platitudinous, plebeian, prosaic, repetitious, routine, spiritless, stale, stereotyped, stodgy, stuffy, stupid, tame, tedious, threadbare, tiresome, tiring, trite, unexciting, unvaried, vapid, wearisome, well-worn, zero, liefeld.

[Fledermaus]

Nice. Alphabetized and all. Except the Liefeld and it belongs at the bottom. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree. That's probably the main reason the GCPD tolerate such a large vigilante population in Gotham. It would make for an interesting story for one of the Bat-family to loose it and kill someone.


Wait it already happened. *cough* Leslie Thompkins *cough*. And it wasn't interesting at all. It was the opposite of interesting. I can't remember, what do you call that?
Don't forget about Nightwing standing by while Tarantula killed Blockbuster. That one wasn't too bad, though. He didn't actually kill anyone, and it formed a nice little character arc for Dick just before the OYL jump. Of course, he forgot all about it after the OYL jump. :o

That Leslie Thompkins thing was just awful. Such a horrible, huge violation of the character. It was the Bat-family's "Sins Past."

[Fledermaus]

I think Nightwing actually killed the Joker once didn't he? And one of the ladies (Batgirl? Spoiler?) revived him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Never heard about that.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, during the Last Laugh or something. That or Emperor Joker.

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't read either.

[Harlekin]

Me neither. Just heard of it.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's kind of a shame.

[trustyside-kick]

What's some recommended reading if I want to read stories involving Hawkman or even revolving around him perhaps?

[Anubis]

JSA return of Hawkman and JSA Black Reign,

Follwed by Geoff John's run on the book which is all in trade.

[trustyside-kick]

So my list should look something like this I'm guessing:

JSA: ALL STARS
JSA: BLACK REIGN
JSA: BLACK VENGEANCE
JSA: DARKNESS FALLS
JSA: FAIR PLAY
JSA: LOST
JSA: MIXED SIGNALS
JSA: PRINCES OF DARKNESS
JSA: SAVAGE TIMES
JSA: THE RETURN OF HAWKMAN

You said the Geoff Johns stuff, and that's what I found on the DC site. I already collect the current series so no need to check out that TPB.

[Anubis]

Why not? You'd actually have some good Hawkman stories.

[trustyside-kick]

How was his own series? I'm kinda also interested in his supporting cast and villains; especially his villains since the only one I know is like Shadow Thief.

[Anubis]

The Spider was great. Guy with a Bow. Green Arrow was there and when GA and Carter get together, it's always fun. The Headhunter arc was good too. Few others like the Gentlemen Ghost, that big lion guy whose name I forget. Cool old school villains.

Palmotti and Grey's run wasn't that bad either. Dropped it after they left. Tried Hawkgirl, but the art was atrocious. And Simonson had seen better days.

[trustyside-kick]

And Hawkman's 4th series would give me good exposure to those said villains? Or would I have to go further back to read those things you mentioned?

[Anubis]

Nah, just the forth. No reason to go too far back. Hawkworld might be fun.

[trustyside-kick]

I heard about Hawkworld, but not sure I would want to go read it. But um...when did Hawkman have this kind of a design?

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/hawkman/jla_hawkman_02_rar.gif

From that site, that is probably my favorite design/look/sprite for Hawkman. I think Hawkworld was after this design?

[Anubis]

That's Katar Hol. He was the Hawkman from Hawkworld. A Thanagarian cop who came to Earth with a new Hawkwoman and became Hawkman. He stuck around for awhile, until he kinda died or something. He ended up in the same cosmic dump Carter ended up in, and they eventually fused together to become one being when Carter was reborn again in JSA: The Return of Hawkman.

[trustyside-kick]

I thought the Hawkworld Hawkman was the one with the metal armor and wings.

[Anubis]

That's what he wore on Thanagar, when he came to Earth, he wore what you see in that pic.

[trustyside-kick]

How many issues was Hawkworld? Not sure I'll check it out still though; I just really liked that design I saw on that site.

[Anubis]

I don't know, I only seen it in trade. Might be out of print by now.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why is Aquaman such a pussy?

[TheCorpulent1]

Oy. :(

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just curious, I mean he is portrayed that way isn't he?

[ddm92392]

Just curious, I mean he is portrayed that way isn't he?

true

[trustyside-kick]

Just curious, I mean he is portrayed that way isn't he?

How is he portrayed that way? Also, are you talking about the real Aquaman or Aquanewb?

[Anubis]

Aquaman is considered a pussy by many because of the Super Friends or what I like to call, the lets totally Piss on Aquaman and ruin him for years to come hour.

Batman's 60's t.v. show didn't do nearly as much damage.

[trustyside-kick]

I thought he meant in the comics.

Yea, the 60s cartoons injured Aquaman badly. Then, when people try to defend him, people who are idiots say "yea well it was a retcon to make him cooler"....when we all know that EVERY hero in the DCU had a retcon of some sort to stop being so campy in the 80s...

[Manic]

I think Seanbaby.com perfectly illustrates what the general public thinks of Aquaman, thanks to that damn Superfriends cartoon...

http://www.numutant.net/aquaman5.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/aquaman8.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/superman8.jpg

[Dr. Fate]

How tall is Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern?

[BrianWilly]

5'11".

http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=greenlantern

[SenseiofCheese]

Oh ****, is this whole Golden Age "Batmen of all Nations" stuff going on in Batman #667 in-continuity? :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

How tall is Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern?
5'11".

http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=greenlantern
Some bios say he's 5'11", some say he's other heights. He's not usually portrayed that short, though. In fact, I think mention has even been made in the comics or in interviews about Alan's imposing physical stature, so it's kind of nebulous how tall he "really" is. I'd place him more at around 6'2" or 6'3" based on how tall he's usually drawn in the comics.

[BrianWilly]

Considering his physical body is made out of Starheart juice, it might make sense that his height changes according to some subconscious whatsis. 5'11" might be him at his most senile.

[Prognosticator]

Willy, Corp, Fate, Cheese, etc....it's time to unite in DC's darkest hour! :wow:

Politics has forced me to enter an arena of competition to represent the comic lovers on the hype, and I need you help!! :ninja:

Follow the link, and support comic readers on the Hype....http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281828 :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Considering his physical body is made out of Starheart juice, it might make sense that his height changes according to some subconscious whatsis. 5'11" might be him at his most senile.
Given his current characterization, I'm surprised he hasn't shrunken himself down to 5'1" and put himself in a wheelchair. :o

[LexCorp]

Oy. :(

Great avatar

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanks.

[LexCorp]

Felt almost sorry for the old lady then.

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved every second of it without remorse.

[Prognosticator]

:)....:wow:

[LexCorp]

I did like that film, great example of paranoia gone wrong mixed with hate crimes. Crazy village...almost felt like RE4 at the end...:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

RE4 if the zombies were grannies and you got to dropkick them.

[LexCorp]

It's not that far removed from old gypsy lady getting spun kicked in the head by leon....

[Anubis]

Oh ****, is this whole Golden Age "Batmen of all Nations" stuff going on in Batman #667 in-continuity? :csad:


Yeah, so?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm betting he follows up with something along the lines of "That sucks because it's lame."
It's not that far removed from old gypsy lady getting spun kicked in the head by leon....
Oh, I never played RE4. Thanks for ruining that for me. :o

[LexCorp]

I'm betting he follows up with something along the lines of "That sucks because it's lame."

Oh, I never played RE4. Thanks for ruining that for me. :o

ROFL

Awesome...anyway thanks for the chat.

[Anubis]

I'm betting he follows up with something along the lines of "That sucks because it's lame."

Don't see why he'd be complaining. Morrison's killing them all off anyway. (Hope he doesn't off the Knight and Squire though.)

[TheCorpulent1]

The whole concept just didn't need to be revisited. But that's my completely uninformed opinion as a non-reader of Morrison's Batman.

[SenseiofCheese]

Yeah, so?

It's just that in my entire fanboy life of reading Batman, I've never gotten into any of those old Golden Age stories, and therefore I'm completely in the dark about all these Batmen.
I don't know anything about them or why they exist, so I was hoping it was an out-of-continuity thing, but I guess I'll just have to dig up some issues or stories about them.

[Prognosticator]

I just read Morrison's first issue of Batman after the four-part "Grotesque" fill-in last night......:huh:

Wow, uh, didn't see that one coming! 22 pages of Prose??

[Anubis]

It's just that in my entire fanboy life of reading Batman, I've never gotten into any of those old Golden Age stories, and therefore I'm completely in the dark about all these Batmen.
I don't know anything about them or why they exist, so I was hoping it was an out-of-continuity thing, but I guess I'll just have to dig up some issues or stories about them.


It's Sliver Age. Golden Age Batman woulda kicked their asses while repeating "Papa Spank!" over and over again.

[SenseiofCheese]

It's Sliver Age. Golden Age Batman woulda kicked their asses while repeating "Papa Spank!" over and over again.

The same goes for me and the Silver age. I've just always read the current issues, ever since I started reading comics. I never went back and got really old ones.

[Anubis]

Why start now?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because it's just as good as reading current DC comics at this point?

[Dr. Fate]

Some bios say he's 5'11", some say he's other heights. He's not usually portrayed that short, though. In fact, I think mention has even been made in the comics or in interviews about Alan's imposing physical stature, so it's kind of nebulous how tall he "really" is. I'd place him more at around 6'2" or 6'3" based on how tall he's usually drawn in the comics.
Hal Jordan's height fluctuates a lot too, the tallest I ever read Hal listed was 6'2" and the shortest was like 5'11".

While we're on the height issue, how tall is Orion of the New Gods?

[SenseiofCheese]

Why start now?

I just kind of feel like I haven't earned my geek-stripes without reading all the classic origins and stories.:o

[Anubis]

I never did, and i'm the greatest person I know.

[TheCorpulent1]

But you're not the stripiest geek you know. :o

[Prognosticator]

How tall is Alan Scott, the original Green Lantern?

5'11".

http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=greenlantern

Hal Jordan's height fluctuates a lot too, the tallest I ever read Hal listed was 6'2" and the shortest was like 5'11".

While we're on the height issue, how tall is Orion of the New Gods?

I just had Deja Vu.....probably because you guys had the EXACT SAME conversation about 10 pages back! :o :(

[SenseiofCheese]

I never did, and i'm the greatest person I know.

Yeah, but the difference is that you've been here for 21.000 posts, and I'm still one of the new guys that everybody assumes is going to go

"oMG WHAT THE FKUC!! bATMEN oF aLL nATINOS IS SO LAME!!111 i WANNA MAKE aLOT OF USELESS THREADS THAT MAKE NO SESNE!!!11"

:o

[TheCorpulent1]

All of us don't assume that. Someone's gotta show me they're retarded before I start judging them thus.

[Prognosticator]

^ :woot:

[SenseiofCheese]

I'm betting he follows up with something along the lines of "That sucks because it's lame."



.......:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it's lame. You cursed and put a sad face in the post before, so I figured you probably felt the same.

[SenseiofCheese]

I think it's lame. You cursed and put a sad face in the post before, so I figured you probably felt the same.

I'm not going to call it lame, but I do think there's something off about this whole Batmen thing now that Batman is as dark and serious a character as he is.
But like I said, I don't know much about them, so I can't really pass judgment. (Something not a lot of internet users seem to be able to do)

[Anubis]

But you're not the stripiest geek you know. :o

That would be X. That guy knows everything.

[Prognosticator]

That would be X. That guy knows everything.

Don't forget about the H. That guy hates everything! :(

[yenaled]

X knew more about Silver Age Legion of Superheroes than anyone else I've met.

Now that's good geek knowledge.

Don't feel like you need to read everything that has ever been published. You'll kill yourself trying to do that.

[The Question]

Some bios say he's 5'11", some say he's other heights. He's not usually portrayed that short, though. In fact, I think mention has even been made in the comics or in interviews about Alan's imposing physical stature, so it's kind of nebulous how tall he "really" is. I'd place him more at around 6'2" or 6'3" based on how tall he's usually drawn in the comics.

In "The Golden Age," Sportsmaster said that the reason he could recognize Alan out of costume was because "nobody's that tall."

[Anubis]

Yeah, but technically Golden Age is an Elseworld...so, theres that. I've always thought of him being at least 6'2" At most 6'5".

[Tron Bonne]

I don't know if this is a stupid question(probably since I'm sure this is general knowledge) but what exactly is Wildstorm. I know it's an imprint of DC and all, but what exactly is it there for, I know Vertigo is their more adult-oriented comics and CMX is for manga, but what exactly is put under Wildstorm?

[ddm92392]

Ive got a question is 2814 a random # in the GL series I kno its the sector but how did they come across that #

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

edit nvm

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

But that GL qustion brings something to my mind.

Does the ring extend the life of it's user in anyway?

[ddm92392]

I dont think so cause you see GL's drop like flies in some issues but I just think its a luck thing

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah but that is usually due to being killed, not dying of natural causes.

[ddm92392]

does sacrifice count

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hmmmm...explain please.

[ddm92392]

I mean wouldnt when he sacrificed his life in Final Night have counted as a time when that whole extend of his life should have kicked in and kept him alive long enough to get back 2 earth

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not sure, mainly because I don't know what you're talking about. :D

[ddm92392]

Final Night its a great comic if you havent seen it you should check it out

[UndyingPhoenix]

I came across this when randomly wikipedia'ing stuff.

"Conner would later face Shiva again, during the Brotherhood of the Fist storyline, in which the brotherhood held a martial arts tournament in Gotham city, attempting to prove their worthiness and skill after having been dishonored. Under the alias "Paper Monkey," Shiva fought and defeated many other competitors. Her final opponent was Conner. Though it was a very close and taxing contest, Shiva was the victor in the end. Thankfully, Shiva's old pupil, Robin (Tim Drake) who had saved her life during a previous encounter, asked her not to kill Connor, trading a life for a life. After warning Robin that using the favor now meant she would challenge and kill the boy wonder when he was older, she refrained from killing Connor."

This was when I was looking up Conner Hawke..for what reason..Im not aware anymore. But..does this mean that Tim Drake's life has a limit on it now since Lady Shiva said that she will kill Tim when he's older?

[Harlekin]

Logistically, yes, or at least, she'll try to do so.

She did mellow out some over the last few years, so, who knows. I doubt that'll be picked up again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Connor can just pop back in and dropkick her head off if she tries. He kills people now, you know.

[Harlekin]

He's killed one person (please don't tell me he's killed more, please...). Besides that, the mini was excellent, and if Connor doesn't kill anymore, I don't necessarily mind that one slip-up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I still like the character. I'm more disappointed in the fact that he has no regular title for us to see the fallout of his decision than I am in the decision itself. I'm just bitter. Genetically. I'm part-ginger. :(

[BrianWilly]

Yes, he's only killed one person. One person-dragon, technically.

[Harlekin]

Thank god. Really hope we get a follow-up mini though, so, as Corp mentioned, we can see some fall-out from this, and you know a well-written, properly coloured Connor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dixon and Donovan really kicked ass on Connor's characterization in that mini. It's sad that all the artists between Jim Aparo and Donovan forgot that Connor looks Asian.

[Harlekin]

The only thing I didn't like was his getting with Shado. Otherwise, it was a perfect Connor story. Really dug the characterization, especially his inexperience with women was otherwise handled beautifully.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't mind him and Shado. It felt pretty natural for him. Yes, it makes things even more awkward with his father, but it's not like Ollie wouldn't sleep with one of Connor's exes in a heartbeat.

[BrianWilly]

Him and Shado was retarded. Connor has far more self control than that, involving beautiful women who didn't rape his father. The idea that he would jump into bed with her is disturbing at best and offensive at worst.

[TheCorpulent1]

Did Connor know all the details of her and Ollie's encounter? Actually, even if he did, male rape seems to be a pretty tame subject in the DC universe. Tarantula raped Nightwing but he didn't seem to take it too hard. Anyway, Shado seemed to have changed and Connor seemed to be drawn to her in spite of himself. Maybe Connor's the male equivalent of a girl--he likes the "bad boy" type of woman.

[Tropico]

In "The Golden Age," Sportsmaster said that the reason he could recognize Alan out of costume was because "nobody's that tall."

The one thing I've constantly read about Alan as defining physical characteristic is his broad shoulders. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly somewhere in the back of my mind there was also an incident like the one mentioned with Sportsmaster but mentioned the shoulders instead of the height. Heck, even Ma Kent kept a scrapbook of pictured of him when he was younger and she sighed as she remembered those days.:)

But that GL qustion brings something to my mind.

Does the ring extend the life of it's user in anyway?

If you mean by extending their natural life span I've yet to see it mentioned. And considering the nature of a Corpsman's "job" it's highly unlikely they have all that many chances to grow old gracefully.

[TheCorpulent1]

The one thing I've constantly read about Alan as defining physical characteristic is his broad shoulders. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly somewhere in the back of my mind there was also an incident like the one mentioned with Sportsmaster but mentioned the shoulders instead of the height. Heck, even Ma Kent kept a scrapbook of pictured of him when he was younger and she sighed as she remembered those days.:)
Alan ****ing Scott: WWII's stone-cold pimp. :up:

[Dr. Fate]

What are the best trade paperbacks dealing with Jack Kirby's 4th World/New Gods characters?

[UndyingPhoenix]

This may or may not belong here..or in the official Flash thread (Which when I read through it, was just discussing the character and issues...) but..if theres a high demand to move it, I'll post it in that thread as well.

But here we go.

" During the time she was married, Barry and Iris discovered that Iris was actually from the 30th Century, and had been sent back to the twentieth century shortly before "Earth-East" attacked "Earth-West". In this 2945 CE, Central City was a self-contained city. Her maiden name was Iris Russell. After years as a prominent presence in the Flash's life and Central City, she was killed by Professor Zoom in Flash #275 (July 1979).

Iris did not stay dead for long. When a disaster threatened, Iris' parents the Russells (with the help of a future Flash, John Fox) sent baby Iris back to the 20th century, where she was adopted by Ira West. Her 20th century "death" caused a time paradox that was resolved after her biological parents placed her consciousness into a new body in her time of origin." (From Wikipedia upon searching Iris West Allen)

So..taking this into consideration..wouldnt Bart Allens death before he was born cause a time paradox as well? Or would Bart dying in our time now, create a ripple effect to when he was actually born(in a new timeline future) again, thus giving his mom the new information of what her son should avoid to escape death in this new timeline...saving him? Or am I being a bit stupid and missing something crucial?

I just thought one timeline paradox from a 20th century death of someone who is originally from the 30th Century would repeat itself for Bart.

[Harlekin]

I could explain why Bart's death isn't a paradox but I'm at loss to the words and my head already hurts from thinking about. Just, y'know, it's not a paradox. Think about it.

[BrianWilly]

Simply put, consider two things.

One: the future in the DCU -- and in the Marvel universe and everywhere else basically -- is fluid instead of static. Things supposedly set in stone change all the time, timelines diverge and shift and little things are enough to completely alter "the" future. There's been at least four different futures in the DCU that have all been rendered impossible at this point.

Two: Bart's death was actually a note in history in the future that he came from. As in, Iris West actually had knowledge of it and even went back in time in order to warn Bart. So Bart dying in the present doesn't cause a paradox with the future; it in fact confirms events as the future remembers them.

[SenseiofCheese]

I was re-reading Infinite Crisis (Stupid in it's own right), and I come to the double splash-page featuring the Battle of Metropolis. Now, I'm checking out all the characters, and in the upper-left side of the left page, there's Hawkman.
But it's the Hawkman from Kingdom Come, that was basically transformed into this literal Hawk-Man thing, with talons and a talisman on his kneck.
Does anyone know what the deal with that is?

[Tropico]

I was re-reading Infinite Crisis (Stupid in it's own right), and I come to the double splash-page featuring the Battle of Metropolis. Now, I'm checking out all the characters, and in the upper-left side of the left page, there's Hawkman.
But it's the Hawkman from Kingdom Come, that was basically transformed into this literal Hawk-Man thing, with talons and a talisman on his kneck.
Does anyone know what the deal with that is?

Northwind and his race, were remade to look like the Hawkman from KC (supposedly they evolved from their more humanoid form into having pronounced bird-like features because of something that happened to their place of residence). I don't remember if Northwind had been dead by that point, but if it wasn't him it was probably one of his race.

[SenseiofCheese]

Aah, thank you, that clear it up.
I was afraid they'd taken the whole "making the in-continuity DC universe segue up to Kingdom Come" thing too far.

[Tropico]

This may or may not belong here..or in the official Flash thread (Which when I read through it, was just discussing the character and issues...) but..if theres a high demand to move it, I'll post it in that thread as well.

But here we go.

" During the time she was married, Barry and Iris discovered that Iris was actually from the 30th Century, and had been sent back to the twentieth century shortly before "Earth-East" attacked "Earth-West". In this 2945 CE, Central City was a self-contained city. Her maiden name was Iris Russell. After years as a prominent presence in the Flash's life and Central City, she was killed by Professor Zoom in Flash #275 (July 1979).

Iris did not stay dead for long. When a disaster threatened, Iris' parents the Russells (with the help of a future Flash, John Fox) sent baby Iris back to the 20th century, where she was adopted by Ira West. Her 20th century "death" caused a time paradox that was resolved after her biological parents placed her consciousness into a new body in her time of origin." (From Wikipedia upon searching Iris West Allen)

So..taking this into consideration..wouldnt Bart Allens death before he was born cause a time paradox as well? Or would Bart dying in our time now, create a ripple effect to when he was actually born(in a new timeline future) again, thus giving his mom the new information of what her son should avoid to escape death in this new timeline...saving him? Or am I being a bit stupid and missing something crucial?

I just thought one timeline paradox from a 20th century death of someone who is originally from the 30th Century would repeat itself for Bart.

The Paradox should have happened when they changed the future he and that particular version of the Legion came from. I think it was sometimes explained as Bart already being chronally unstable or something as to why he didn't get erased. To this day, I still don't know for sure. I finally decided to use the Hypertime excuse. But, no, dying in the past before you're born shouldn't create a paradox. Unless you killed your mom or your dad or something like that. Otherwise, I don't see why it would create a paradox.

[The Question]

The one thing I've constantly read about Alan as defining physical characteristic is his broad shoulders. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly somewhere in the back of my mind there was also an incident like the one mentioned with Sportsmaster but mentioned the shoulders instead of the height. Heck, even Ma Kent kept a scrapbook of pictured of him when he was younger and she sighed as she remembered those days.:)

He did mention shoulders, but I do remember him also mentioning something along the lines of "Nobody's that tall."


And of course Ma keeps his scrapbook. He's the guy the Justice League looks up to. He's not just sexy, he's sex incarnate.

[uchiha_itachi]

roughly how old is batman?

[Harlekin]

38 to 40.

[uchiha_itachi]

thanks, hope you dont mind if i ask a few more about the age thing, how old was he when he first started being batman? and how old is dick,jason, tim and barbara ?

thanks

[Harlekin]

I believe he was 25 when he started. Nightwing should be middle 20's, Jason would be around 20 and Tim's 17. Babs is a little tricky, but she's probably late 20's, around her 30's.

[uchiha_itachi]

thanks:D , i havent actually read batman year 1 yet but i flicked through it, and it showed gordans wife pregnant i guess with barbara, but that would put her a lot younger than late 30's?

sorry for all the questions im just getting into reading the batman comics

[Manic]

thanks:D , i havent actually read batman year 1 yet but i flicked through it, and it showed gordans wife pregnant i guess with barbara, but that would put her a lot younger than late 30's?

sorry for all the questions im just getting into reading the batman comics
I think Batman Year One showed Gordon's wife pregnant with his son, not Barbara. We don't see his son these days because he lives with his mom. Barbara wasn't around because she's... (here comes the wind-up)

Babs was adopted by Jim Gordon. She's still his blood relative, however, because Jim fathered her illegitimately by having sex with his sister-in-law. When Jim's brother and sister-in-law died, Jim took custody of their daughter/his niece, Barbara... who was really his daughter, anyway.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, Gordon's wife is pregnant with their son, not Babs.

[Kitsune]

I'm wondering if Ronald Raymond is returning as Firestorm, or not?

[Kebab gud]

Barbra is tops 2 years older then Dick.. and in the recent Nightwing Annual it was stated that they are the same age .. Babs it TOPS 28..

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What are some of the things that a Power Ring can not do even if it's user has the ability to think it up?

[trustyside-kick]

How was his own series? I'm kinda also interested in his supporting cast and villains; especially his villains since the only one I know is like Shadow Thief.

The Spider was great. Guy with a Bow. Green Arrow was there and when GA and Carter get together, it's always fun. The Headhunter arc was good too. Few others like the Gentlemen Ghost, that big lion guy whose name I forget. Cool old school villains.

Palmotti and Grey's run wasn't that bad either. Dropped it after they left. Tried Hawkgirl, but the art was atrocious. And Simonson had seen better days.

This is backtracking, but I just want to thanks for your information. I checked out a good amount of the issues so far of the 4th volume, and I'm loving it a whole lot so far. I just finished the issue with the Headhunter.

Probably the only issue I didn't greatly enjoy (but didn't dislike either) was the one talking about one of his previous lives in the Old West. But that's only because I can care less about Western stuff like that.

[Kebab gud]

What are some of the things that a Power Ring can not do even if it's user has the ability to think it up?kill

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No matter what? Hmmm

[Harlekin]

Barbra is tops 2 years older then Dick.. and in the recent Nightwing Annual it was stated that they are the same age .. Babs it TOPS 28..
It's a little hazy since she was A) able to finish college, and as I recall, B) pre-crisis, she was a friggin' senator. They're definitely not the same age. She has to be at least a year if not two years older than him.