The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[Darthphere]

With alternate covers by Jim Lee and Michael Turner.

The same as the Marvel one ask your stupid DC charcter questions here. No need to clutter up the board with silly Superman questions. No one will make fun of you and people will answer your question the best they can so here ya go ask away.:batman:

If you don't know the RIGHT answer, keep your damn mouth shut.

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[Elijya]

how fast is sperman's heat vision?

[Unthinkable]

lol. :D

[CantThinkOfAName]

Well, this is probably really stupid. But how come Batman's eyes turn white when he puts the mask on? Does he have some contacts on, or should i leave that to artistic integrity:confused:

[Darthphere]

Ill say thats artistic integrity but I always thought his suit might have like a lens on it but I think its really just the artist.

[Bat-Mantis]

It has lenses. We get POV shots through the lenses all the time. He can switch to heat-vision and infared, night vision and they can function as a targeting thingy. Points out vital spots on targets.

[Darthphere]

Yes now I remember good job Bat-Mantis.

[Bat-Mantis]

How did Hawkman get his wings? Is there a connection there with the ones on Thanagar?

[Darthphere]

Isnt Hawkman Thangarian? Isnt that how he got his wings?

[Bat-Mantis]

There was a version of Hawkman, Katar Hol, who was from Thanagar.
But the original and current Hawkman is Carter Hall, a normal guy. Reincarned Egyptian prince, lived a few thousand lives along with his soul make, Hawkgirl.
They use Nth Metal to fly, it's an element from Thanagar that Prince Khufu (the first life of Hawkman) retrieved from a crashed Thanagarian ship.
The Nth Metal has a lot of wierd uses, it makes them fly, heal quickly, have super strength and many other things. It also has the ability to... it's hard to explain. They have memories of the history of Thanagar. Not that they were there or anything, but because the metal was.
That may have inspired him to create the wings (because memories of Thanagarian history), which are a status symbol on Thanagar and they're also used by their police force and military.
But I didn't know if that (the part about him being inspired) was true. I read before that it was actually Carter Hall of Earth that inspired the Thanagarians to wear wings and not the other way around, but I don't know if that's true or not.

[Darthphere]

http://www.dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.html?sc_dc_itemCode=jsahawkman

Hawkman utilizes Nth Metal as a component of his wings and boots, which enable him to fly at terrific speeds and with great agility. The metal also allows its user to lift incredible weights and to withstand temperature extremes. The Nth Metal has several other properties that Carter has yet to tap into.


So apparently he created the wings.

[Phoney Bone]

Krpton, take good notice of this thread!

[Docker2.0]

What super powers does Batman have? Is he really a bat?

[Bat-Mantis]

That isn't funny.

[Gamestar2004]

Why is it that nobody can tell the difference between Clark and Superman?

I mean a pair of glasses and a quif aint gonna help much..perhaps if I wanted to go into the crimefighting business, I shave my pube hairs and use it as a moustache, then when I want to become 'SuperDick' I rip them off...;) :D

[Guyverjay]

He vibrates his face so no one recognises him:D

[Gamestar2004]

I know he does that for the photos, but what about Lois, when she didnt know his secret...or Jimmy Olsen

[Guyverjay]

Lois has Cataracts and Jimmy wanks too much (over lois and regularly hits her in the eye):up:

[Gamestar2004]

That explains everything! ;) :D

[X]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
He vibrates his face so no one recognises him:D

Don't bring up pre-crisis crap! :mad: :D ;)

I mean, it's the same thing with Spider-Man, his voice, his build, hiw active he is just about everywhere as Parker and Spider-Man. Even when people like Luthor have found out Superman was Clark, he flat out didn't believe it. He looks and Clark, this guy who looks pretty damned normal. Walks with a slight hunch, gets knocked over at times, drop things. All on purpose of course, puts on a good show. Then he throws on that skin tight suit, he looks insanly muscular, ya know. Wears glasses as well. Lot of people look a lot different.

[Bat-Mantis]

And Superman usually appears in stressful, dangerous, panicky situations. Seriously, in a situation like that, your memory acts funny. We did an experiment in my psychology class one time, the professor had a guy come in right before class and steal his jacket from off his desk. He came in, asked where the professor was, grabbed the jacket and ran out the door.
The professor told us all to write down a description of the person and nobody was accurate. One guy said he was black, another girl said he had sunglasses, one said he looked like a surfer, one said he had on a sweater. Yeah, it was a short white guy in a green t-shirt. Witnesses aren't as reliable as people think they are.
Plus, if you were Superman... would you even HAVE an alternate ID? And if you did, would it be like Clark Kent?
And Clark Kent has had his picture taken with Superman and has done a live TV interview with him, plus they seem to be in two places at once a lot (Clark was just in Metropolis, Superman was spotted in Berlin, etc.)
And Perry White knows he’s Superman but he sits on the story. I bet Jimmy does, and I can almost guarantee Lois had a good idea before but didn’t say anything.
I mean, would YOU want to be the guy that exposed Superman? Would you want to be responsible for something like that? And would you ever, ever, EVER want to go into a dark room alone again? Yeah, I bet a lot of people know he’s Clark Kent but they don’t say anything. Why would they?

[Guyverjay]

um Because they are journalists?

I mean come on its THE biggest story EVER. Most if not all journalists really don't give a crap about the consequences. Thats such a lame excuse. Seriously when supes was sporting the mullet look, Clark had a pony tail:rolleyes:

I wouldn't mind so much if Clark was a nobody like Peter Parker, but he's a damn famous reporter and author. Everyone has seen his face.

And lets not even go there when it comes to the population of smallville not recognising superman

I remember in one of those superman films when clark goes back to smallville for a class reunion (or something like that) and theres a HUGE picture of him sans glasses hanging in the sports hall and NO ONE recognises him?????

[War Lord]

I read about another experiment where a guy was asking people directions. During the explanation, a couple of guys moving a door would pass between the two people and the guy asking for directions would be replaced by somebody completely different (sometimes a female or a person of another race) and the people giving directions usually didn't notice.

[Guyverjay]

That because most people don't really give a toss about random strangers but you'd certainly recognise EARTHS mightiest hero

[Bat-Mantis]

Well... uh... jeez, maybe you skimmed over the part where I said they've been in pictures together and Clark has interviewed him on live tv.
And they aren't just journalists, they're his friends. And he's the most powerful creature on Earth, I wouldn’t want to be the one lowly person who was responsible for destroying his personal life.

[X]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
And Superman usually appears in stressful, dangerous, panicky situations. Seriously, in a situation like that, your memory acts funny. We did an experiment in my psychology class one time, the professor had a guy come in right before class and steal his jacket from off his desk. He came in, asked where the professor was, grabbed the jacket and ran out the door.
The professor told us all to write down a description of the person and nobody was accurate. One guy said he was black, another girl said he had sunglasses, one said he looked like a surfer, one said he had on a sweater. Yeah, it was a short white guy in a green t-shirt. Witnesses aren't as reliable as people think they are.
Plus, if you were Superman... would you even HAVE an alternate ID? And if you did, would it be like Clark Kent?
And Clark Kent has had his picture taken with Superman and has done a live TV interview with him, plus they seem to be in two places at once a lot (Clark was just in Metropolis, Superman was spotted in Berlin, etc.)
And Perry White knows he’s Superman but he sits on the story. I bet Jimmy does, and I can almost guarantee Lois had a good idea before but didn’t say anything.
I mean, would YOU want to be the guy that exposed Superman? Would you want to be responsible for something like that? And would you ever, ever, EVER want to go into a dark room alone again? Yeah, I bet a lot of people know he’s Clark Kent but they don’t say anything. Why would they?

Great post. :up:

Comic universe's a helluva lot more positive and good in general then real life. Superman's a living, breathing, icon, the biggest ever. God knows how many lives he's saved, how many times he's put it all on the line. Unlike real life, they're all a lot of good people and what not, standing behind him. You know?

[Guyverjay]

Well uh jeez I didn't miss that part but when you live in a world of shapeshifters,holograms, special effects what the hell does that prove? I mean the JLA has J'onn, it wouldn't take a genius to figure it out.

As for him being the most powerful creature on earth, big stinking deal. He's superman whats he going to do?...nothing.

As I said journalists rarely ever give a crap and its not like the planet is the only Newspaper in the world. I remember when Lois (under mind control) shirt ripped clark in front of everyone in the newsroom and using his super speed to draw a bat on some guys shirt managed to completely get away with it. Never mind that without his shirt and glasses he Looks IDENTICAL to superman. But no everyone in the office falls for it bwahahahah

[Bat-Mantis]

Ok, next topic. This is going in circles, he just doesn't get it.

How did the Martian Manhunter get to Earth? I know the other Martians were all killed, right? And he was transported here... was it right as the rest were killed, shortly after or was he sent forward in time or something?

[X]

And John stayes out of everyones mind, it's a matter of privacy and respect. Like how the old Avngers used to function, they knew each other as Giant Man and Ironman and so on.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Ok, next topic. This is going in circles, he just doesn't get it.

Oh I get it perfectly fine , its a really crappy set of excuses:up:

[Bat-Mantis]

Stop spamming and get on topic.

[X]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Ok, next topic. This is going in circles, he just doesn't get it.

How did the Martian Manhunter get to Earth? I know the other Martians were all killed, right? And he was transported here... was it right as the rest were killed, shortly after or was he sent forward in time or something?

Yup. :o :(

Not sure about that one though. I have just about everything ever MM related, need to get around to reading them though. I hear when he takes on human guise, actes like a complete dumb ass, and gets a bunch of criminals arrested and then escapes, it's hilarious. :D He was always pretty damned funny in Animal Man as well, Buddy Bakers wife really liked him. :)

[X]

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Oh I get it perfectly fine , its a really crappy set of excuses:up:

You really are Kritic Lite at times man. :mad: :o :D ;)

[Bat-Mantis]

Does anybody have the OFFICIAL origin of Alan Scott? There are about 6 floating around, most were erased with the crisis.
I know it was from a meteor, but where is the meteor from? I've read that it was from the Guardians, old and flawed energy. I've heard it was just energy the guardians grabbed and condensed, but for what purpose? I've heard that it was purely magical and I've heard that it just hasn't been explained.

[Guyverjay]

Heres the short version

J'onn was exiled in the desert for 13 years blah blah then got transported to earth accidentally by some professor bloke. He then assumes human form blah bah blah find a way to transport himself back (why he didn't just fly there is anybodies guess) and finds the place in ruins

[The Leaguer]

About Alan Scott's origin, I found this:

http://glcorps.dcuguide.com/alan.html

It documents its sources, so I'd assume you could accept it as the official origin.

I have a question about the Flash that replaced Wally a few years ago, I think I've heard him referred to as the Dark Flash, does anyone know who i'm talking about? He popped up in a few DC books, the one I remember best was in JLA. He revealed his identity to Superman, who immediately vouched for him. Anyway, who was he and what was his deal? I never heard any more about him after that, since back then all I read was JLA. Thanks in advance.

[X]

You mean The Flash that replaced Barry? Wally is the current Flash. Only "Dark Flash" I can think of is the representation of death one. Kind of like The Black Racer for the New Gods. Black Lighting was one of his nick names or something, it's all pretty vauge.

[The Leaguer]

This one:

http://vu.morrissey-solo.com/moz/perez/jla-a/flash4z.jpg

[X]

Just a different variation of Wally West from the future or something. I think so anyhow.

[The Leaguer]

Alright, thanks.

[X]

No problem.

[Unthinkable]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
This one:

http://vu.morrissey-solo.com/moz/perez/jla-a/flash4z.jpg

I remember Wally was replaced by an imposter from the future in Race Against Time.

There was a Barry imposter, aka Zoom...In the Return of Barry Allen (well, not really) ;)

[X]

Yeah, Zoom's been around forever. He idolized Barry so much, he got surgery to look just like him. :eek: :D

[The Leaguer]

Is that the Hunter Zoloman Zoom, from the recent story arc?

[X]

Yup.

[Bat-Mantis]

Wait, what?

[X]

What are you confused over? :eek: :confused: :D

[Bat-Mantis]

Hunter Zoloman is the same Zoom Barry used to fight?

[X]

No, that's Eobard Thawne.

[X]

And Bat-Mantis, have you checked out the DTL threads yet? You should, maybe even think about joining next season, in a couple of months and all. You can come and vote as well...

[The Leaguer]

So was it Hunter Zoloman or Eobard Thawne that changed his appearance to match Barry's?

[DarkKnightJRK]

Originally posted by Docker
What super powers does Batman have?

Prep-Time. :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Eobard Thawne looks identical to Barry. In fact, each of the Flashes has a villain who looks similar to him. Jay Garrick has the the Rival (whose hat Jay now wears, since his own was lost in the Speed Force), Barry had the Thawne Zoom (a product of the even older Flash villain legacy of Cobalt Blue), and Wally's got the Zolomon Zoom.

The silver and red Flash who replaced Wally is an alternate version of himself called Walter West. He's a lot darker and more bitter because his Linda died at the hands of Kobra. Here's a profile: http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/walter.html

[Unthinkable]

I thought he was talking about the guy in Race Agaisnt time, where he goes past speed of light.

[yenaled]

OK. I have a stupid question about Flash. In Zero Hour Wally "dies". How was he brought back?

[hippie_hunter]

Can someone tell me about the generations of heroes of the DC universe. Isn't there like 3 generations

[X]

Kinda of. The Robins, Flash's, Green Lanterns, and so on. More of legacys then anything else.

[TheCorpulent1]

There are different generations of certain heroes. It's not universal. And some of the older heroes have inspired more of the younger ones than just their legacy-bearers. Alan Scott, for example, was one of Bruce Wayne's childhood heroes.

[X]

The Ray 1 & 2 come to mind as well. There's two Hawkgirls. Doctor Midnight 1 & 2.

[The Leaguer]

Atom/Atom Smasher, Starman, Doctor Fate, Black Canary, Green Arrow

[Bat-Mantis]

Crimson Avenger
Dr. Mid-Nite
Mr. Terrific
Captain Marvel
Hourman
Jakeem Thunder
Wildcat
Firestorm
Hawkman
The Specter

Some go back only a few decades (Wildcat, Terrific, Hourman, Firestorm, the Thunder’s, Crimson Avenger’s) others (like the Green Lantern's, Flashes, Hawks, the ones who wield the power of the Wizard Shazam) go back centuries.

There are more heroes that I didn’t name and there are tons and tons of villains.

[The Leaguer]

Who else is in the Wildcat legacy? The only one I know of is the one in the JSA right now.

[Bat-Mantis]

There was a woman, Yolanda Montez, who took up the mantle when the current (and original) Wildcat was nearly killed.
She was killed though. Her brother, Alex Montez, joined the JSA in a "mascot" type role, like Snapper Carr from the ooold JLA. He later became that freaky little guy with the black diamond that shot beams of energy... I can't think of his name. I hate it when that happens.

[The Leaguer]

Eclipso?

[Bat-Mantis]

Yup. That's it.

[The Leaguer]

Didn't he die in the recent Black Reign storyline that crossed over into Hawkman?

[Bat-Mantis]

Si. Sure did.
That family just can't get a break.

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, thats the only reason I knew who you were talking about, was that story.

[Darthphere]

How do Batman's batarangs fly? They dont exactly have the right shape.

[X]

They're aero-dynamic? :confused: :o

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Mr. X
They're aero-dynamic? :confused: :o

Probably but the shape of the batarangs would change the direction it should go or should I just drop it.

[The Leaguer]

Do they actually act like boomarangs? I've never seen him throw one and have it come back to him.

[Darthphere]

Im not saying that.

[The Leaguer]

I didn't mean that as a response to what you were saying, I was just asking. I've never seen it operate like a true boomerang.

[X]

Originally posted by darthphere
Probably but the shape of the batarangs would change the direction it should go or should I just drop it.

Well, has there ever really even been a detailed look at one, ala the old Marvel Handbooks? Maybe they have little slits for air to pass through. And I'm sure Bruce is damn good with them anyhow...

[Bat-Mantis]

I have a set of stainless steel batarangs and after you can learn how to throw them without cutting your fingers, they work pretty well.
I can't get them to boomerang or anything though.

[The Leaguer]

I always wondered how batarangs flew with a batline attached to them. I know he uses those launched grappling hooks now, but before that he used batarangs with ropes tied on, right? It just seems that the rope would both weigh the batarang down, and prevent the mid-air motion required to keep the batarang airborne.

[Bat-Mantis]

I also have a big one that has a really long rope attatched to it... you just toss it like a grappling hook and it works fine, I guess. Never scaled any walls with it or anything, just throw it and it hooks onto stuff. Pretty sturdy, too. Pulled down a gutter or two when I was younger.

[casualspidey]

how come batman and spiderman take thier names after animals

[Bat-Mantis]

Yes.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Yes.

I dont know why but I just fell out of my seat laughing at this.

[The Leaguer]

Yes.

haha :up:

Has anything been done regarding Batman and Catwoman's relationship following Hush? I don't read Catwoman, so I don't know whats happening in there. Their relationship was my favorite aspect of Hush, and I'd like to see their relationship further explored.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by casualspidey
how come batman and spiderman take thier names after animals

Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider which gave him his powers. His powers of those equivalent of a spider hence the name Spiderman.

Bruce Wayne found a cave under his house full of bats and decided to take this as is person.

Others can add more to this.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
haha :up:

Has anything been done regarding Batman and Catwoman's relationship following Hush? I don't read Catwoman, so I don't know whats happening in there. Their relationship was my favorite aspect of Hush, and I'd like to see their relationship further explored.

In a recent issue of Catwoman they did the hippity-dippity.

[The Leaguer]

Damn. Looks like I'll have to start buying Catwoman. Do you remember which issue it was?

[Darthphere]

I dont know the number but it was the last one to come out ill check.

[The Leaguer]

'Preciate it. Have they been dealing with their relationship for a while? I'd like to go back and start Catwoman where they began exploring it.

[Bat-Mantis]

Oh... um... originally, that Casualspidey guy had "does spider-man have spider-sperm"... so... yeah.

And Batman looks like a bat because bats are scary and he wants to be scary. The people of Gotham don't know if he's even real, most ofthe ones who do know he's real think he's some kind of bat monster.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by darthphere
In a recent issue of Catwoman they did the hippity-dippity.
Wow... if you look at Batman: Hush, JLA, and Catwoman and consider the time frame... Batman seems a little confused. He ditches Catwoman because he's not ready to trust a woman completely during Hush, but then he's considering acting on his feelings for Wonder Woman like a month later in JLA, then he has sex with Catwoman in her comic a few months after that? That seems awfully contrived as a whole. I know they're not really supposed to be considered as a whole, but still... kinda weird.

[hippie_hunter]

So basically the generations are like this

First Generation: Green Lantern (Alan Scott), the Flash (Jay Garrick), Hawkman (Sheira Hall), Hawkgirl, Plastic Man, Dr. Fate (Kent Nelson)

Second Generation: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Aquaman, the Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, the Atom

Third Generation: the Flash (Wally West), Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner), Nightwing, Arsenal, Tempest, Troia, Starfire, Cyborg, Changling, Raven, Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders), Dr. Fate (Hector Hall)

[The Leaguer]

I think Sheira Hol was Hawkgirl. Katar Hol was Hawkman. And where you have Plastic Man, I think you meant Elongated Man, whom I believe was second generation, but I could be wrong. I'm not sure where Plastic Man fits in.

[hippie_hunter]

Plastic Man has been around since the 1940's and because of the chemicals he's been in that gave his plastic like powers made him age very slowly

[The Leaguer]

I stand corrected. I'm not very familiar with him, I've only read him in JLA.

[Bat-Mantis]

And the original Hawkman and Woman were Carter and Shiera Hall. Then there was Katar and Shayera Hol, then Carter Hall back again with Kendra Saunders as Hawkgirl.

[CantThinkOfAName]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
haha :up:

Has anything been done regarding Batman and Catwoman's relationship following Hush? I don't read Catwoman, so I don't know whats happening in there. Their relationship was my favorite aspect of Hush, and I'd like to see their relationship further explored. Read Catwoman #20-24. #22 or 23 (I cant remember which one, but you can tell by the cover...it has Batman on it) has a somewhat related story.

I also hear the recent issue dealt with it, but i havent read it yet.

[Darthphere]

Im I the only one thats surprised by the number of stupid questions we have?

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by CantThinkOfAName
Read Catwoman #20-24. #22 or 23 (I cant remember which one, but you can tell by the cover...it has Batman on it) has a somewhat related story.

I also hear the recent issue dealt with it, but i havent read it yet.

I think more of it will be touched upon during War Games. I think I read a solicitation about something between the two.

[Docker2.0]

I got a question:

Jonn Jonz is a telepath, shape shifter, has super strength, and can change his density. Why in the world is he afraid of fire?

[TheCorpulent1]

It was a genetic alteration made on the entire Martian race by the Oan Guardians of the Universe (the little blue men who ran the Green Lantern Corps). Before the White and Green Martians that we know today, Mars was inhabited by these dudes called Burning Martians. These Burning Martians were depraved sons of b****es who killed anything in their path. They crash-landed on Earth in prehistoric times and slaughtered Vandal Savage's entire caveman tribe. A Guardian witnessed this and it was decided that the Burning Martians were too dangerous to allow to live, so a fear of fire was implanted in the Martians and the Burning Martians faded out of existence. Consequently, each Martian, both White and Green, had a Burning Martian locked in his or her subconscious. J'onn's Burning Martian is a guy named Fernus and he is truly a bastard. Take all the good that J'onn embodies and turn it on its head, and you've got Fernus.

[Ahura Mazda]

I have a few questions regarding Superman:

1. Regarding his trip to Earth - how fast did his ship go because if he got here as a baby it would have had to travel faster than the speed of light

2. I have heard of different incarnations such as Superman Prime and Superman 1,000,000. These characters seem to be extremely powerful. Were they or are they used at all?

3. Why does Superman seem almost weak in the JLA in the sense that he seems to get knocked down quite a bit?

[X]

Originally posted by Ahura Mazda I have a few questions regarding Superman:

1. Regarding his trip to Earth - how fast did his ship go because if he got here as a baby it would have had to travel faster than the speed of light

Well, it was going pretty fast to begin with, and when Krypton exploded it got propelled even faster. Maybe it was going warp light speed or something/

2. I have heard of different incarnations such as Superman Prime and Superman 1,000,000. These characters seem to be extremely powerful. Were they or are they used at all?

Both characters were used for a bit, yes.

3. Why does Superman seem almost weak in the JLA in the sense that he seems to get knocked down quite a bit?

Well, he does go up against some insanly bad ass beings, and he's usually in the forefront of things.

[Ahura Mazda]

Thankyou Mr. X once again!!

[X]

No problem. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Superman's not exactly a pushover in JLA. In the cartoon, it's a different story; he does get his ass kicked often in the cartoon. But in the comics he's as powerful as he is by himself. He's wrestled a freakin' angel, taken on Darkseid, and done a ton of other crazy stuff.

[Guyverjay]

You mean asmodel??

He was electric blue when that happened

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, which kind of confused me. Still, it's a status thing. He moved the moon with his electric powers, too.

[Guyverjay]

Not entirely true there were those Big ass engines there as well if I remember correctly.

Blue supes was more powerful anyway. J'onn got ass kicked by asmodel.

[TheCorpulent1]

How strong was Electric Supes? I thought he was physically weaker than his regular incarnation.

Yeah, he powered the engines by himself. That's pretty impressive, to be able to wield enough energy to power 2 engines that can move the entire moon?

[Guyverjay]

Not as impressive as actually pushing it himself.

I'm not sure how strong he was but he sure seems to be able to keep up with asmodel while J'onn (who isn't exactly far behind normal supes in terms of physical prowess) got swatted awy quite easily.

Plus using strange visitors power in OWAW supes was able to attack imperiex head on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, everything's relative, I guess. J'onn kicked the whole JLA's ass later as Fernus.

[Guyverjay]

Yeah but he has the advantage of not having to hold back:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt Superman or Asmodel were holding back when they fought each other. Besides the fact that Asmodel has invulnerability on par with Superman's, Superman knows that angels are pretty much immortal, so I doubt he'd have been scared of killing Asmodel. I gotta reread that issue, actually. That was a good arc.

[X]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Superman's not exactly a pushover in JLA. In the cartoon, it's a different story; he does get his ass kicked often in the cartoon. But in the comics he's as powerful as he is by himself. He's wrestled a freakin' angel, taken on Darkseid, and done a ton of other crazy stuff.

Bah, Darkseid's been watered down over the years. He's knocked out Superman before with extentsions of his power. Bleh. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Superman's also gone pretty high up in power since the Crisis.

[The Leaguer]

As far as J'onn getting owned by Asmodel, wasn't he weakened due to exposure to fire? I'm not sure on that, I'll have to re-read it, also. It was a damn good story.

[X]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Superman's also gone pretty high up in power since the Crisis.

Yup. They should of stucken around his 86' relaunch strength. They just keep pushing and pushing...

[Dark_Spectre]

Can someone please tell me the details of how superman came back to life after Doomsday killed him? I've been trying to find out and I can't find a straight answer anywhere and I can't find the issue where it happened.

[Darthphere]

Really good question here I know vaguely but I rather just let someone more knowledgeable answer it.

[The Leaguer]

All these arguments about Batman being the best fighter in the DCU got me wondering: who is the best fighter in the DCU? And I mean non-powered, so, no, Deathstroke doesn't count. I know Richard Dragon, Batman, Batgirl and Shiva would be at the top of the list, but what about others like Connor Hawke, David Cain, Green Arrow and Nightwing?

[X]

Probably Richard Dragon. He did train The Question, who's one of the top fighters in the DCU, and he's had Batman at his mercy.

[The Leaguer]

Have the aftereffects of any of the many DC/Marvel crossovers been explored? Were any of the considered continuity in either universe? I've never read a crossover that had any effects on the DCU. For example, I've never seen Superman make any references to "that guy with the sheild and wings on his head" or Batman mention "that big green guy who trashed my batcave." I do remember reading that, following the DC vs. Marvel mini, one character from each universe was going to be left in the other universe (which I think was a very cool idea) but the idea was nixed. As far as I know, thats the closest either universe has come to dealing with a crossover after the crossover is complete.

[Dark_Spectre]

Please could someone answer my question this is something I really need to know.

[The Leaguer]

From what I understand, the Eradicator brought Superman back via a Rebirthing Matrix that was in the Fortress of Solitude. Either it was a one-time-use sort of thing, or it was destroyed upon Superman's reemergence, but I'm pretty sure a reason was given why it couldn't be used again to revive other fallen heroes, or even Superman himself. This is just what I think happened, I'm not sure on the details, nor am I sure what I just said is correct.

[Azrael24]

Dark Spectre,

Superman's body was recovered by his robot assistant, Eradicator, and moved to the fortress of solitude where it had access to advanced medical technology. Although Superman's mind was gone, he was still absorbing solar radiation. Jonathan Kent, Superman's "father" had a heart attack at the funeral and experienced a near-death experience. He met Superman's spirit, which was in a limbo between life and death, and convinced him to return to his body. This brought Superman back to life.

The Leaguer,

The best fighter, that's up for debate even among DC execs. Some say it's Shiva, but that can't be, I've seen Batman beat her @$$. Some say it's Richard Dragon, he is known as the BEST martial artist, not fighter..there is a difference. But the whole Batman vs. RD thing happened pre-crisis I beileve (correct if I am wrong) and can't really be considered currently. GA, CH, Nightwing, all good but not the top dog. If I had to put money on it, it would be a tossup between Batman, Richard Dragon, Shiva, and Batgirl. I just can't give it to RD that easy.

TheCorpulent1 ,

I agree, I've always thought that they needed to tone down Supes (even though he's my fav). It's really not fair to be that strong and almost as fast as Flash. He should never lose.

Supes in the JL cartoon is a punk. I really don't like him, he feels like a big bully who can't fight.

[TheCorpulent1]

Richard Dragon, before the revamp of his current series, would get my vote as the best fighter. He trained Lady Shiva, whom I'd rank as #3. My list would be:

Richard Dragon (pre-revamp)
Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)
Lady Shiva
Bronze Tiger
Batman

After that, there are a bunch of characters who are in kind of a nebulous category of being really good but not quite up there with the best. People like Green Arrow II (Connor Hawke), Black Canary, Nightwing, Wildcat, etc.

Personally, I think Superman's power level was fine where it was just after his rebirth. He was considerably more powerful than the '86 relaunch (which I always felt was kind of low for the world's premiere hero) but not ridiculously powerful like he is sometimes portrayed now. If it were up to me, I'd give him a near-light flight speed and slow his reflexes down to just really, really fast, like around Spider-Man's. It'd be basically the same as if a normal person were driving a car at like 250 mph. That would keep him from being pretty much unstoppable and allow the Flash to keep his shtick.

[Azrael24]

Oooh...I don't know about that list...I'd go:

Richard Dragon (pre-revamp)
Batman
Lady Shiva/Batgirl tied.
Bronze Tiger

I only say this because, we are talking the best FIGHTER not martial artist. Considering how much Batman knows, I can't put him below Shiva or Batgirl. Plus, I just witnessed Shiva getting knocked out with the quickness by Batman in Batman/Superman. I remember he did it back during the Death in the Family too. Batgirl, I'm not too sure about. I remember her getting a hit on Batman. I just see Batman as a better fighter, maybe not martial artist, but fighter.

I can feel the near light flight speed, but not super speed when running...at least not that fast. I guess what would make him a bit more I dunno...on level playing field is his vunerability sometimes is WAY too damn high. I understand he is invunerable to everything but magic and kryptonite...(at least that's what DC says..it's not true obviously). I guess I liked Superman's power level in the movies (yes the movies). He was powerful, but not god-like. I always like my villains stronger than the heroes, it shows the heroes are heroes for a reason.

[The Leaguer]

I got a question about Aztek: was it any good? From what I've read about it, it was pretty decent, so why was it cancelled? Just not enough interest? Are there any trades? I've always wanted to read it.

[Blue Lantern]

Could Green Lantern make kryptonite? Kryptonite is green.

[Ahura Mazda]

Is the Superman in the JLA cartoon supposed to be an extremely waterred down version because I have actually watched a couple times and both times Superman gets knocked out pretty easibly and seems to have about the same level of strength if only just as J'onn and WW and certainly nothing beyond.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Blue Lantern
Could Green Lantern make kryptonite? Kryptonite is green.

now thats a stupid question.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Ahura Mazda
Is the Superman in the JLA cartoon supposed to be an extremely waterred down version because I have actually watched a couple times and both times Superman gets knocked out pretty easibly and seems to have about the same level of strength if only just as J'onn and WW and certainly nothing beyond.

Yes they all are watered down. except Wonder Woman and Hawk girl. Everyone else is shadow of the true character. But it's still a good show oddly enough.

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, the JL cartoon isn't a good place to learn about the characters... at all, really.
John Stewart is apparently better in the cartoon but the Green Lantern Corps isn't around anymore. In the cartoon he doesn’t’ have the weakness to yellow, which may or may not be how it currently is in the comics… not sure.
Hawkgirl is completely different... her mace isn't magical or electrified in the comics, she isn't from Thanagar anymore (an older incarnation, which is the one in the cartoons now, was... but the current one is not), her wings are natural in the cartoon, they are not in the comics. She’s lacking Hawkman, which has always been essential to the character (minus a few months in the current JSA series where she was solo). Her motivation for being on Earth is different (I think... I'm reading the old Hawkworld series now, her true motivations may be revealed later in the books and I haven't gotten there yet).
Superman’s powers fluctuate in the cartoon (as they often do in the comics) to make the situation more exciting or to be convenient to the story. They’re more inconsistent in the cartoon, though.
And I don’t think Wally West is as annoying in the comics as he is in the cartoon. I don’t think he’s a perv in the comics either.
Wonder Woman seems to be pretty accurate, but that’s mainly because I’m not very familiar with the comic version of the character.

[Darthphere]

I only know that Hal was the Green Lantern that was affected by yellow.

[Bat-Mantis]

The entire Corps were affected by yellow, I know Kyle doesn't have that weakness anymore but I wasn't sure about John or Guy because they were actual members of the Corps... I... think.

[TheCorpulent1]

John's not affected by yellow anymore because his ring came from Kyle's.

[Anubis]

So if Kyle died, would John loose his ring?

[Tropico]

Aztek: I didn't read the comic so I can't say if it was good or not. What I HAVE learned is that even if a comic has good stories, what matters is how much money it was doing. I think AzteK was even part of the League for a while? I haven't seen any trades for it.

Ring Kryptonite: Though an energy construct could imitate the appaearance of Kryptonite, I very much doubt that it could duplicate it's radiation. As far as I know GL rings don't create matter, but are rather energy fabrications of the same kind of emeralf energy.

JL Cartoon: Though some characters are watered down, like Superman; others have some exaggerated traits. Wally is much hornier and "jokey" than what he has ever been in the comics. Hawkgirl's hot-headedness is also uncommon for her. Even in her current incarnation, I don't think she's as eager to fight as the cartoon. I would have to agree with the other posts in that the cartoon isn't an accurate portrayal of the characters. To be fair, not many media adhere faithfully to the source.

[Tropico]

Originally posted by Anubis
So if Kyle died, would John loose his ring?

That's a good question. I read in one of the threads that Kyle's ring didn't have the A.I. the other rings have. Does it mean that the ring won't search for a succesor then?

[yenaled]

Johns ring is the ring Hal Jorden left behind when he went back to his own time line, and it should have the yellow weakness because all corp rings were the same, until Kles prototype ring.

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by Tropico
Aztek: I didn't read the comic so I can't say if it was good or not. What I HAVE learned is that even if a comic has good stories, what matters is how much money it was doing. I think AzteK was even part of the League for a while? I haven't seen any trades for it.

He was part of the league. I think Grant Morrison wrote him, so it made sense that he would work Aztek into his JLA. Thats where I've seen him, and I liked him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Tropico
JL Cartoon: Though some characters are watered down, like Superman; others have some exaggerated traits. Wally is much hornier and "jokey" than what he has ever been in the comics. Hawkgirl's hot-headedness is also uncommon for her. Even in her current incarnation, I don't think she's as eager to fight as the cartoon. I would have to agree with the other posts in that the cartoon isn't an accurate portrayal of the characters. To be fair, not many media adhere faithfully to the source.
From what I've seen, Hawkgirl is basically a female version of Hawkman, with the personality Carter's been showing in his series and JSA lately and the backstory of Katar Hol.

Flash is INCREDIBLY depowered in the cartoon. I mean, Superman was bad for a while because he kept getting knocked out, but he was brought closer to his comic version's power level in the second season, when they also changed his face to look more like the '90s Superman cartoon. But Flash is by far the worst case of power misrepresentation in the JLA cartoon.

[Ahura Mazda]

Thankyou to all the responses - I never read the comics and based on the couple of cartoons I saw - I just felt it was somehow contrived in order to 1. have pretty equal standings and 2. find some comic relief.

Then again I have only seen it twice and I think they were both shows from the 1st season.

[TheCorpulent1]

The first season wasn't that great. The show's definitely gotten better along the way, though. "Starcrossed," the 3-episode conclusion to the last season, was f***ing incredible.

[Bat-Mantis]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
From what I've seen, Hawkgirl is basically a female version of Hawkman, with the personality Carter's been showing in his series and JSA lately and the backstory of Katar Hol. I've read Carter as being a little more... well, he's not as eager to fight, but he will fight if needed. And he's certainly not as outspoken as the cartoon Hawkgirl.
I think the Cartoon version is a pretty steady parallel of the comic version of Shayera Thal from Thanagar: a loud, mean, scrappy, godless Thanagarian cop. The comic Shayera even dated a black guy for a while.

[TheCorpulent1]

True, Carter's not quite as belligerent. I don't know if you read JSA and/or Hawkman, but there was an arc recently called "Black Reign" that showed quite a different Hawkman than we're used to seeing. He cut off a villain's arm and tore off Northwind's wings.

[Bat-Mantis]

Oh, Hawkman is one mean SOB. Always been kind of a ruthless guy... I remember (and love) a really quick scene in his own book, happened a while back though, that he clocked a purse-snatcher HARD with his mace. The people who were victimized by the snatcher were like, "Call the police!" *sees the bloody body of the purse snatcher* "No... maybe we should call an ambulance..." (or something similar, I’m paraphrasing)
Carter isn’t afraid to get rough when need-be. But Shayera, both comic and cartoon versions, seemed to be looking for a fight (at least to me they did) while Carter is cool unless provoked… then he gets rough.

I think Carter comes off as a jerk sometimes because he thinks he knows it all. And really, I think he does know it all. He’s got thousands of years of experience over these other people and he doesn’t feel like he needs to explain himself to everyone… he expects respect and expects what he says to be -at the very least- heavily considered. That gives him this essence of attitude.
While I think Shayera just had a temper and no tolerance for people who sat around and talked instead of striking first.
Shayera would think and say something like, “What in the hell is all this discussion about? Just cave their skulls in, it’s that simple!”
Carter would say, “Cave their skulls in. It’s that simple.” While thinking, ‘I’ve seen this all before. Hundreds of times. We sit and wait and discuss and debate and innocent people suffer for it. Hit him hard, hit him fast and make sure he never has the chance to hit back. It’s the only way.’

[Anubis]

That is one dead on assesment of Carter Hall there Bats.

Oh and Azetek is dead. Died in World War III. Kind of a pointless death if you ask me. Didn't kill the black sun thing, only hurt it enough that it let Supes go. I never read anything about him before I bought that trade, so I just said oh well to his death. Didn't like his costume anyway, kinda electro inspired.

[X]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
Oh, Hawkman is one mean SOB. Always been kind of a ruthless guy... I remember (and love) a really quick scene in his own book, happened a while back though, that he clocked a purse-snatcher HARD with his mace. The people who were victimized by the snatcher were like, "Call the police!" *sees the bloody body of the purse snatcher* "No... maybe we should call an ambulance..." (or something similar, I’m paraphrasing)
Carter isn’t afraid to get rough when need-be. But Shayera, both comic and cartoon versions, seemed to be looking for a fight (at least to me they did) while Carter is cool unless provoked… then he gets rough.

I think Carter comes off as a jerk sometimes because he thinks he knows it all. And really, I think he does know it all. He’s got thousands of years of experience over these other people and he doesn’t feel like he needs to explain himself to everyone… he expects respect and expects what he says to be -at the very least- heavily considered. That gives him this essence of attitude.
While I think Shayera just had a temper and no tolerance for people who sat around and talked instead of striking first.
Shayera would think and say something like, “What in the hell is all this discussion about? Just cave their skulls in, it’s that simple!”
Carter would say, “Cave their skulls in. It’s that simple.” While thinking, ‘I’ve seen this all before. Hundreds of times. We sit and wait and discuss and debate and innocent people suffer for it. Hit him hard, hit him fast and make sure he never has the chance to hit back. It’s the only way.’

:up:

A moment that comes to mind. Carter going after a highjacked plane that was holding people who had just robbed some place. Hawkman flies right up to the windshield and smashes it in with his mace, whacks this guy with a mace, gets punches in the face by this dude, bleeds, has the meanest look on his face ever as blood runs out of his nose, throws that guy out of the plane, and then just kicks ass and eventually lands it. Good stuff. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Carter's brutality came back to bite him in the ass later on, though. He went through a major (and this is just a coincidence, I swear) identity crisis recently in his title and during the "Black Reign" crossover with JSA. He thought, after lifetime upon lifetime inexorably tied to warfare and bloodshed, that he was little more than an animal in a man's clothes. It was done pretty well.

[Bat-Mantis]

He fought with that back when the Gentleman Ghost popped up and persuaded that cop to shoot his girlfriend, too. The Gentleman Ghost was a guy Hawkman had killed in a former life and it came back to haunt him... literally.
But Hawkman is still one violent bastard. Just a few issues ago he stopped that getaway car with his mace (which was badass) and the terrorist guy was like, “Please give me mercy!” *Carter raises mace over his head* “This is your mercy.” ... awesome stuff. Hawkgirl hooked his mace and didn’t let him clobber the guy, by the way.
Now the book is exploring some things that, if done right, can be very riveting. Like post-traumatic stress syndrome… nightmares of the thousands of horrible things he’s seen in his past lives and how he’s dealing with them in his own personal life (locking himself away in isolation, then shoving forward and getting himself a woman to try to snap out of it).
Hawkman is certainly a rich character and I find him extremely interesting. The possibilities with this guy are endless… that is, if you get a writer that knows how to write him. Hawkman isn’t the easiest character to write and I think he's an acquired taste.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's pretty interesting. He hasn't started killing anyone yet, has he? That would be interesting, if he finally crossed that line again in these different times and the JSA were forced to bring him down.

[Bat-Mantis]

From what I've gathered from the character, he's no killer.
He has killed (but I don’t think he ever has as Hawkman, though), he has the capability to kill and he would kill if he had to... but it would be an extreme last resort.
He wasn't too put off by killing until the Gentleman Ghost arc where he decided it wasn't something to be taken lightly. I mean, he never killed willy-nilly and the memory of doing it really plagued him, but he never really saw it as only an extreme, *extreme* last resort until then.
I remember in one issue of the JSA, Black Adam asked him to join his gang because, “I’ve known you to kill before” and Hawkman responded something like, “I’m a different man now, Adam.” He even had to talk Kendra down once when she was about to kill the guy who murdered her parents.

[TheCorpulent1]

What the hell's the deal with Kendra, anyway? She wasn't born with Shiera's soul but she killed herself and her own soul left, leaving Shiera's soul to take up residence. But now she still has the same personality she did when she had Kendra's soul, even though she has Shiera's soul now? :confused:

[Tropico]

I think it has more to do with the memories in the body than what has to do with the soul.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, when Hector's soul inhabited the newborn Fate-child and was aged artificially, he had all of his memories, which makes me think that the memories and personality are tied to the soul, at least in DC.

[Bat-Mantis]

Wasn't that kid a girl, too?
I think what happened with Fate was more than just the re-emergence of the soul. And I could have sworn that Hector didn't have a soul... that the offspring of the Hawks couldn't have souls or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

The child was not a girl, as far as I remember.

I think it was mentioned that Hector was born without a soul, but then it goes on to say that his essence (which is basically a soul, isn't it?) was stolen away into the Dreaming and that when Morpheus found out, he tossed his essence to its natural fate, whereupon it entered a rebirth cycle similar to Carter and Shiera's. That's a lot of activity for a non-soul to go through... :confused:

[Bat-Mantis]

Ok, I just checked.
The baby was born without a soul… like Hector was, I guess. But Hector’s “soul”, his essence (something that this baby presumably did not have), took root in that baby’s body immediately after it was born, so it was never anything other than Hector Hall. It was destined to become Dr. Fate.
But after the Scarabaeus, a Fate relic, was touched to the baby’s chest, it grew into the adult Hector Hall.
I don’t think it simply aged him, I think it was Fate magick that restored Hector Hall as a living being, back as Hector Hall and not just Hector’s soul in another body. The baby was a vessel for Dr. Fate and nothing more, after Hector’s essence took root and the Scarabaeus was touched to it, it completely transformed into Hector Hall.
So he has his body (but aged a little), his memories, his personality and all of that just as if his body had never been destroyed. It’s how Carter and others recognize him when he takes his helmet off.

Shiera Hall was reborn in Kendra Saunders. Kendra lived a life before that full of memories and experiences. When she fell into a coma and died briefly, her soul passed on and Shiera’s soul entered her body in its stead. When that happened Kendra lost some of her own memories (like the attempted rape of her and her mother by the cops) and picked up a few from Shiera (like how to operate the Hawks jet), as well as some of her urges and instincts (she’s more brutal and has feelings for Carter) BUT she kept her own as well. Her brain, including her memories, thoughts and personality were left the same but now she has this outside influence working within her as well.

This is how Hector described his journey:
“I was born without a soul, destined to be nothing more than a vessel for the real Silver Scarab, Hath-Set’s agent of vengeance.
Infinity Inc defeated the Silver Scarab, destroying what was left of my body in the process.
By all rights I should have gone to my reward then.
But I didn’t.
My consciousness – whatever was left of me – drifted through the Dreaming.
Drifted aimlessly until Kent Nelson found me.
He told me that the wheel of life that had turned my destiny was not, in fact over… but just beginning.”

So what he had was something other than a soul, it was just some form of consciousness, something different. So he still has no soul, but something resembling a soul… some kind of magical Fate thing.

Oh, and the JSA were looking for the Fate-baby, there were like 4 different possible ones and one was a girl. I got that confused.

[TheCorpulent1]

That still seems a bit dodgy to me. Hector's referred later to the fact that because his essence, or whatever other euphemism for soul you want to use, was in the child of Hawk and Dove, an agent of Chaos and an agent of Order, respectively, he had access to the powers of both Chaos and Order, elevating Dr. Fate through himself from an agent of Order to an agent of balance. That, plus the fact that Hector used to be blonde and now has platinum hair, makes me think Hector and the Scarabeus didn't just turned the Fate-child into a clone of Hector's original body.

I do get that the fact that Hector's personality is fully intact in the Fate-child's body because the Fate-child was born without a soul and never had time to form its own memories, though. Kendra/Shiera still doesn't make sense to me. If Kendra had Shiera's soul to begin with, wouldn't Shiera's soul have passed on when Kendra committed suicide? It's been stated before that she actually did succeed in committing suicide. That's why I thought Kendra was just a girl named Kendra at first, then Kendra's soul left after the suicide and Shiera's took up residence.

[Bat-Mantis]

I thought Shiera's soul DID just take up residence when Kendra's passed on? And when it did, it didn't change much in Kendra... it didn't override her brain or anything like that, which is why she doesn’t remember much of anything from her past lives. So Shiera’s memories and personality are inside her but they haven’t been entirely unlocked yet and haven’t had a chance to completely take over, probably because they don’t want to. Why they don’t, I don’t know. But Shiera’s soul is there and it has control, it just picked up where the last one left off instead of overhauling everything.

And everyone instantly recognized Hector when he took his helmet off, so he apparently looks a lot like he did before he died, which leads me to believe that the Scarabaeus didn’t just age the baby’s body but it restored him to his former self. And I think it aged him a little from there, that's why his hair is white/silver instead of blonde. The Fate-child had blonde hair too, by the way.
But there’s a page that shows Hector as a smaller child and his hair is very silver, but there’s a part of that page that shows him as an older hero and it’s very blonde.

I don’t know. It’s all too confusing. I don’t really like Dr. Fate anyway. It’s not worth the headache.

[Anubis]

Shiera's soul simply came and took over the body of Kendra after she died. She wasn't always there she just kind of, set up shop. Only the body still had kendras memories, so basically, she thought she was kendra, and still basically does, untill she was told differently. Fact is, Kendras eyes where brown, when she woke up from the coma, they were green, like shiera's. Windows to the soul man.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
I don’t know. It’s all too confusing. I don’t really like Dr. Fate anyway. It’s not worth the headache.
Blasphemy! Dr. Fate rocks. Especially since he's starting to realize his potential, having conflicts with Nabu, and just generally being the JSA's biggest badass. His son is now Dream, too. :up:

DC seems to not really know what to do with the Halls' hair. Hector had blonde hair in Infinity Inc and so did Fury. Then Fury got platinum hair in the Sandman series and now Hector got it in JSA. Daniel, their son, has white hair too. Then again, Daniel has white everything. :o

[Anubis]

Anybody get that Fate mini from last year? Man that was a great read.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm planning on it. I just have no money right now. My comic shop has all 5 or 6 or how many ever issues, if I recall correctly, which it's more than likely I don't. ;)

I read a review of it and the reviewer said it was good but it was practically the same as Fate's role in the "Princes of Darkness" arc in JSA. He has to confront his self-doubt and eventually comes out of it (after some coaching from Nabu) more badass than any Fate before him.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but not before he got his @$$ kicked severly by Curse.

[BlackOpsTengu]

Okay... some DRK & DKSA questions.

Why was Batman so intent on fighting the Government? I mean, I'd expect that from radicals like GA, but why is Bats so rabid anti government, and why is Pres Reagon made to look like some kind of a farce? The politicizing in this was pretty stupid and got in the way of the bigger story, Batman RETURNING. And WTH is up with the ending? Is he going to fight a gurellia war against the States or something lame like that?

And at the end of DKSA, "What should we do with our planet Kara?" That was the most messed up thing ever. So the answer to "corrupt" republican regimes is to put Supes in charge of the planet? It was just rediculous. Everything I remembered about Supes was that he SHOULDN'T rule over mankind, only act as their gaurdian. It was up to US to find our way there.

Basically, political agendas + Superheroes = bad. I want good vs evil, not fifty million reasons why you think Republicans suck.

[DarkKnightJRK]

I got a question, why is there still a JSA? What's the point of it?

[X]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
I got a question, why is there still a JSA? What's the point of it?

To protect against the threats of villians and what not? Can never have enough super powered groups man. :D

Look at Marvel. They've had The Defenders, Avengers, Invaders, S.h.i.e.l.d, X-Men, Freedom Force, and so on. They've still always been insanly busy...

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, besides the JSA, how many other super-groups are there in DC?
The JLA, Doom Patrol *shudder* and... uh... those other guys with the superpowers...

[Supergirl]

The JSA are the trainers and the heros of the heros, and the next pieces of certain legacies: Star-girl, Hawk-girl, etc...

The JLA are the big guns and the ones the world looks up to the most.

The Outsiders are the rulebreakers, lets take the war to them types.

The Teen Titans are the next generation.

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, it's like a team for each generation.
Titans for the kids.
Outsiders for the 20-somethings.
JLA for the current "ruling" generation.
JSA for the older generation.

[Bat-Mantis]

And... the Doom Patrol... for John Byrne.

[Darthphere]

Doom Patrol and John Byrne are just an evil plot to destroy comics as we know them.

[Kaleb]

just out of interest who is richer Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark (I know he is marvel im sorry) , or lex luthor (I know luthor is president , but that dont make him the richest , just ask bill gates)

[The Leaguer]

Well, when Luthor became president, he had to give up most of his properties, so all he has is his raw funds, which puts him at an instant disadvantage. When Stark became Secretary of Defense, the same had to happen, so he just has raw savings and investments as well. However, recently, Luthor went insane and is presumed dead, so it can be assumed that any personal bank and investment funds he had are gone, and he is left with what he hid away. At the same time, all properties he used to own fell under ownership of Wayne Enterprises. Thus, Bruce Wayne is one rich mofo, Stark is just wealthy, and Luthor is out on his ass.

[Kaleb]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
Well, when Luthor became president, he had to give up most of his properties, so all he has is his raw funds, which puts him at an instant disadvantage. When Stark became Secretary of Defense, the same had to happen, so he just has raw savings and investments as well. However, recently, Luthor went insane and is presumed dead, so it can be assumed that any personal bank and investment funds he had are gone, and he is left with what he hid away. At the same time, all properties he used to own fell under ownership of Wayne Enterprises. Thus, Bruce Wayne is one rich mofo, Stark is just wealthy, and Luthor is out on his ass. yes I was hoping u would say that

[Anubis]

after what I just read in Iron man, Stark may be joining Luthor.

[The Leaguer]

Yeah. I was pretty annoyed reading events in Iron Man that were a direct result of what happened in Avengers 500, which isn't even out yet.

[Anubis]

Makes no sense at the moment, but after seeing what Stark did, it has certainly gotten my intrest.

[The Leaguer]

I suppose its possible that they set Iron Man after Avengers 500 on purpose, to create interest in A500, but if that isn't the case, it was some pretty poor planning by Marvel. All they had to do was delay Iron Man two weeks.

[Anubis]

yeah, like we need more confusion from marvel.

[X]

Okay, I've got a question regarding the serious cosmic powers in DC. Of course we have the Quintessence, which is a group of cosmic powers. The Phantom Stranger and The Spectre (on off, meh) I know very well. I know Archangel Micheal, who's beaten The Spectre. Shazam of course, that last Oa guy. Uhmmmm, and I know a couple of others. But what about this "Great Evil Beast" I keep hearing about? Supposedly the most powerful evil force in the DCU? I mean, Marvel has tons of cosmics, and a bunch of rare, obscure ones as well, mostly beings that appeared in Quasar or whatever. Thanks ahead of time. :up:

[The Leaguer]

I know Imperex is dead, and Mageddon was pretty much just a weapon, and is dead, but they might count.

[X]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
I know Imperex is dead, and Mageddon was pretty much just a weapon, and is dead, but they might count.

Yeah. :up:

Who in the hell is Mageddon though? :confused:

[The Leaguer]

Mageddon was the dude from the "World War Three" arc in JLA. From what I remember, he was a super-weapon from the universe before the present DC universe. In that universe, the people there kept making more and more poweful weapons until Mageddon's type was made, which destroyed pretty much everything. It survived the Big Bang and travelled our universe destroying everything in its path. It was even capable of destroying Wonderworld, which I think was a world populated by beings of Darkseid/Highfather's power.

[Guyverjay]

Amazing how superman manages to stop it though:rolleyes:

[X]

And, thanks Leaguer. :up:

How'd Superman stop it though? :o

[The Leaguer]

This is pretty much the end of the World War Three arc, so if you plan on reading it, don't read this.

Mageddon is powered by an anti-sun, and Superman figures if he can absorb sunlight, he can do the same with anti-sunlight. So he does.

The end is actually much more complex than that, and on a much grander scale, but thats pretty much what it comes down to. This is easily my favorite JLA story arc.

[Guyverjay]

It was still retarded in every possible way:o

[The Leaguer]

I don't think so at all. I think its a great cap to Morrison's run.

[Guyverjay]

Bah it was a complete cop out

"Duh since its powered by anti sun energy and I absorb sun energy I can absorb it uck yuk":rolleyes:

Nevermind that the thing supposedly had enough energy to wipeout a galaxy. No lets just have supes absorb the thing and then smile about it afterwards:rolleyes:

[The Leaguer]

Its true, the Superman-absoring-insane-power-with-no-huge-effect-on-him part was questionable, but I just chose to ignore that, for the sake of enjoying the rest of the story. That happened over the course of like 2 pages, and everything surrounding those two pages, I thought, were absolutely great, much like the rest of Morrison's run.

[X]

Could someone please tell me some instances of Orion and Superman fighting? I mean, I've heard a number of times that Orion has stalemated Superman a time or two, but I can find nothing. Please go into some detail on how these fights went as well, thanks ahead of time. :up: :)

[X]

Also, anyone have any good info on Geo-Force? I know the basics and what not, but what exactly are the extent of his powers? Just how strong is he, and so on. And is it true he once laid a pretty bad ass kicking on Superman? Changing the gravity so it was like on Superman homeworld or something. Someone...please...! :mad: :o :(

[venom892]

Ok guys I want to get into The DCU a little more I currently buy Batman{Which I going to drop for 3 months because of war games} and Superman/Batman{I have #7 onward.I plan on getting the first trade}I'm going to start getting JLA at #107 and I'm getting all the trades.{Morrisin,Waid and Kelly.}I going to start with GL with Rebirth.But I also want to get some Flash and Old GL.So I have 2 Questions.


1.What issue did Geoff Johns start his run on Flash?Is it as good as people say?

2.What issue did Judd Winnick start his GL run?I loved his Recent Batman arc and would like to see what he did with GL.Was it as good as his Batman arc?

[Supergirl]

I'm not sure what issue it started with but Johns Flash run is nothing short of perfect :)

Winick's Lantern arc is what brought me back into comics. It was perfect. Better than his Batman and that says alot. Winick is my favorite writer and right now anything he touches turns to gold :) his run started with 129 and ran through 164

Get it all! You will not regret it.

Also if you like Winick I suggest you get the Outsiders and Green Arrow. Just get the whole run of GA its worth it. If you need a cheap way to get any of this PM me. I can help :)

[venom892]

Alright thaks alot.I want to get all the winnick Gl trades.Also want to get all the Johns Flash trades.Can anyone list all those trades for me?

[Supergirl]

the Winick GL trades:
New Journey, Old Path
The Power of Ion
Brother's Keeper (best story ever)
The Passing of the Torch

[venom892]

Thanks man You have been very helpful.:) I found out what # johns on flash started it's 170.I'm going to get those trades and the johns trades.Thanks again.:)

[Supergirl]

No prob, Winick and Johns being God's among men I love spreading their work, you might also like Johns's work on JSA and Teen Titans

[Tropico]

No, you just have a 2Robins and a pissed off Nightwing saying: "Don't call me Robin." :p

[Darthphere]

You do actually but one of them is "dead" Jaspn Todd, Tim Drake, and now Stephanie Brown.

[Ahura Mazda]

I have a question regarding Superman - Has he ever been shot with Kryptonite bullets?

I was wondering because I would think that the villain (Lex Luthor) would have a few done for a machine gun and then shoot him. Superman does not dodge bullets but stops them with his chest so wouldn't he just die.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Ahura Mazda
I have a question regarding Superman - Has he ever been shot with Kryptonite bullets?

I was wondering because I would think that the villain (Lex Luthor) would have a few done for a machine gun and then shoot him. Superman does not dodge bullets but stops them with his chest so wouldn't he just die.

He has most recently in Superman/Batman #1. He didnt die but he was pretty close to it.

[Ahura Mazda]

Originally posted by darthphere
He has most recently in Superman/Batman #1. He didnt die but he was pretty close to it.


Thanks Darthphere :)

Why did he not die, was it surgically removed allowing him to heal?

Plus if it was aimed for his head would he not just instantly die?

[Anubis]

Batman removed it while they were being buried alive. he had to do it quick too cause it was healing fast.

And probolly, but who the hell shoots people in the head in comics?

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
Batman removed it while they were being buried alive. he had to do it quick too cause it was healing fast.

And probolly, but who the hell shoots people in the head in comics?

Did he remove it while they were buried? I thought Alfred took it out at the Cave, I gotta go reread it.

Also the bullet was taken in out in issue #2.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by darthphere
Did he remove it while they were buried? I thought Alfred took it out at the Cave, I gotta go reread it.

Also the bullet was taken in out in issue #2.

Voila!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/superman.jpg

[Anubis]

wELL i STAND CORRECTED.

[Anubis]

I got two questions..

1. Does anybody know where to get the other two Green Arrow The Longbow Hunters trades? They are called Dragon Hunt and Tracking Snow. I can't find them anywhere.

2. Is the DC Comics Presents a on going? cuz I thought there was only gonna be four and now I see a Superman coming up.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
I got two questions..

1. Does anybody know where to get the other two Green Arrow The Longbow Hunters trades? They are called Dragon Hunt and Tracking Snow. I can't find them anywhere.

2. Is the DC Comics Presents a on going? cuz I thought there was only gonna be four and now I see a Superman coming up.

Is this what youre looking for?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0930289382/qid=1091478638/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/102-3640435-5040933?v=glance&s=books

And no its not an ongoing.

[Anubis]

No I got that but there are two more books to the Longbow hunters. Book two is Dragon Hunt, and three is Tracking Snow. It covers the relationship and I'm asumeing impregnating of shado by GA, and the repurcussions of it all.

And

so how many are they making? cuz so far, the Green Lantern one was the best, the rest kinda stunk.

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
No I got that but there are two more books to the Longbow hunters. Book two is Dragon Hunt, and three is Tracking Snow. It covers the relationship and I'm asumeing impregnating of shado by GA, and the repurcussions of it all.

And

so how many are they making? cuz so far, the Green Lantern one was the best, the rest kinda stunk.

Have you tried Mile High or Ebay?

Not sure but I know its not an ongoing. Hawkman is another one coming out.

[Anubis]

No I haven't. Doesn't seem like they reprinted them when they reprinted the first book, so I may have to try those two.

and

I already got Hawkman, I think Byrne was doing it. Wasn't that bad really. Julie was in it.

[X]

I looked on ebay for you a while back, nothing.

[Bat-Mantis]

Dammit. Double post.

[Bat-Mantis]

The DC Comics Presents has a month left before it ends. Upcoming are: Superman, Flash, Atom and the JLA. Stan Lee is doing one of them, not sure which one though. I think it's Superman.
I thought it started strong with the Batman issue, which I loved, then really went straight to crap. The Adam Strange sucked tremendous balls, I thought Hawkman was kinda boring but I did like the Green Lantern issue.
Originally posted by Ahura Mazda
Plus if it was aimed for his head would he not just instantly die? Superman also possesses a healing factor ala Wolverine. He was healing rapidly around the Kryptonite bullet, so Batman couldn't remove it before Metallo buried them.
I don't know if a head-shot would kill him, at least not instantly. Not with his healing factor. It makes me think of the most recent issue of Wolverine where Logan ran over Sabertooth with a Hummer, trapped him under the front wheel and stabbed him in the top of the head with one of his claws. The brain was damaged, but Sabertooth will be back next issue for sure.
Sabertooth's healing factor will keep him alive, even though he took a 10-inch adamantium claw through the brain. Since Superman possesses the same kind of power... yeah.
But the effects of Kryptonite on Superman would certainly hurt him more. It would probably ALMOST kill him, it would certainly KO him and probably put him in a coma. If the bullet stayed there for a while, he'd die without a doubt. It wouldn't take too long.
Kryptonite has really had all of its threat taken away as of late... what with Chuck Austen actually pumping liquid K into Superman's blood stream and them Superman survived... then hopped out of bed and fought a Super-Villain 10 minutes later.
Oh, and Ra’s Al Ghul’s League of Shadows stole Kryptonite from the Batcave and made Kryptonite bullets once. I don’t remember if they were already in bullet-form when they stole them or not. But that was in the Trinity, which I’ve heard isn’t in continuity. Which is a REAL shame because that book was awesome as hell.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Mr. X
I looked on ebay for you a while back, nothing.


Damn! If Ebay don't got it, nobody got.

[X]

I looked on amazon for you as well, nothing.

Can anyone anwser my Orion/Superman question?

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
The DC Comics Presents has a month left before it ends. Upcoming are: Superman, Flash, Atom and the JLA. Stan Lee is doing one of them, not sure which one though. I think it's Superman.
I thought it started strong with the Batman issue, which I loved, then really went straight to crap. The Adam Strange sucked tremendous balls, I thought Hawkman was kinda boring but I did like the Green Lantern issue.
Superman also possesses a healing factor ala Wolverine. He was healing rapidly around the Kryptonite bullet, so Batman couldn't remove it before Metallo buried them.
I don't know if a head-shot would kill him, at least not instantly. Not with his healing factor. It makes me think of the most recent issue of Wolverine where Logan ran over Sabertooth with a Hummer, trapped him under the front wheel and stabbed him in the top of the head with one of his claws. The brain was damaged, but Sabertooth will be back next issue for sure.
Sabertooth's healing factor will keep him alive, even though he took a 10-inch adamantium claw through the brain. Since Superman possesses the same kind of power... yeah.
But the effects of Kryptonite on Superman would certainly hurt him more. It would probably ALMOST kill him, it would certainly KO him and probably put him in a coma. If the bullet stayed there for a while, he'd die without a doubt. It wouldn't take too long.
Kryptonite has really had all of its threat taken away as of late... what with Chuck Austen actually pumping liquid K into Superman's blood stream and them Superman survived... then hopped out of bed and fought a Super-Villain 10 minutes later.
Oh, and Ra’s Al Ghul’s League of Shadows stole Kryptonite from the Batcave and made Kryptonite bullets once. I don’t remember if they were already in bullet-form when they stole them or not. But that was in the Trinity, which I’ve heard isn’t in continuity. Which is a REAL shame because that book was awesome as hell.


It's funny you should bring up K's effectiveness, because I was just talkin about that with my brother and I mentiond that in Kingdom Come, eventually Kryptonite wont even hurt him anymore because of all the solar rays he's abosorbed over the years. By then the only thing that could kill him would be Magic. Maybe thats where Supes is going in the future. Virtually indestructable.

[X]

Well, you could probably chalk it up to him at least having some kind of immunity to it. God knows it's been used enough.

Anyhow, on a more reasonable note, I don't think he's a whole lot more tougher/powerful in the future, just a bit more. Captain Marvel was still batting him around and hurting him physically, and if all of those bombs hit, he more or less would of been killed.

[Anubis]

Yeah, most likely.

[Supergirl]

Marvel is a hero powered by magic though ;) therefore he should be able to whoop on Supes.

[X]

Originally posted by LanternLight
Marvel is a hero powered by magic though ;) therefore he should be able to whoop on Supes.

He isn't physically magical though, same with people like The Juggernaut. His strength doesen't manifest physically, he don't see him punching people and magic blazing from his fists. He has the strength of Hercules, which is formidable, but not magical. His lighting on the other hand is purely or damned close magical.

[Ahura Mazda]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
The DC Comics Presents has a month left before it ends. Upcoming are: Superman, Flash, Atom and the JLA. Stan Lee is doing one of them, not sure which one though. I think it's Superman.
I thought it started strong with the Batman issue, which I loved, then really went straight to crap. The Adam Strange sucked tremendous balls, I thought Hawkman was kinda boring but I did like the Green Lantern issue.
Superman also possesses a healing factor ala Wolverine. He was healing rapidly around the Kryptonite bullet, so Batman couldn't remove it before Metallo buried them.
I don't know if a head-shot would kill him, at least not instantly. Not with his healing factor. It makes me think of the most recent issue of Wolverine where Logan ran over Sabertooth with a Hummer, trapped him under the front wheel and stabbed him in the top of the head with one of his claws. The brain was damaged, but Sabertooth will be back next issue for sure.
Sabertooth's healing factor will keep him alive, even though he took a 10-inch adamantium claw through the brain. Since Superman possesses the same kind of power... yeah.
But the effects of Kryptonite on Superman would certainly hurt him more. It would probably ALMOST kill him, it would certainly KO him and probably put him in a coma. If the bullet stayed there for a while, he'd die without a doubt. It wouldn't take too long.
Kryptonite has really had all of its threat taken away as of late... what with Chuck Austen actually pumping liquid K into Superman's blood stream and them Superman survived... then hopped out of bed and fought a Super-Villain 10 minutes later.
Oh, and Ra’s Al Ghul’s League of Shadows stole Kryptonite from the Batcave and made Kryptonite bullets once. I don’t remember if they were already in bullet-form when they stole them or not. But that was in the Trinity, which I’ve heard isn’t in continuity. Which is a REAL shame because that book was awesome as hell.


Thanks for the answer.:) That pretty much explains it for me.

[C. Lee]

Got a question for you.

I picked up Superman/Batman #1 -7 hardcover and read it today.....there is a dark haired girl in dark costume with a red "S" on her chest.....just who is she?

[Darthphere]

Shes a Supergirl from the future and her name is Matrix. Sorry dont remember her real name off the top of my head.

[Bat-Mantis]

She was a mix of Lois Lane's DNA and Superman's DNA, right?

Anyway, she jumped into the timestream or something. She's dead and gone, thank god. She sucked.

[C. Lee]

Thanks guys...after being out of comics for so long, there's a lot of catching up to do.

[Shawkur]

How does Supes weakness to magic work? Whats the origin of it?

[guj19]

Originally posted by Shawkur
How does Supes weakness to magic work? Whats the origin of it?

They had to make something other than Kryptonite hurt him

[X]

It's unique wavelengths don't corespond to anything his bio matrix force field can protect against, they don't cohere by physical rules. So he's much more vulnerable to it.

[Shawkur]

Thats another thing, Supes "force field"; it seems like it was invented to explain why Supes' costume doesnt get torn except his costume sometime does get torn. I take it that it takes alot of force to penetrate his force field?

Also on a somewhat related topic, it seems to be conventional comic knowledge that Supes cant be cut by admantium. Isnt it more accurate to say Wolvie doesnt have the strength to cut Supes with admantium? Like if Hulk Fastball Sunday'd Wolvie into Hulk wouldnt that make a Supes-kabob?

[X]

It gets torn when a great amount of stress is applied to it, aka he takes a bad ass beating. Two occurences that come to mind is when he fought Doomsday to the Death, and his fight with The Professor Hulk in Marvel vs. DC.

Well, the thing is this. Wolverine can't cut The Hulk on his own either. But, let me bring up an incident that once happened. Wolverine was being held up by The Hulk, like he was being crucified, arms outstretched, Hulk was holding him up. Hulk was holding the his claws, pretty tightly at that, and they weren't cutting him. Wolverine brought his claws back in, and it sliced up The Hulk's hands, his own strength worked against him. Same thing would work for Superman, he could cut himself on them with his own strength.

[MFM]

I have two "stupid" questions relating to Catwoman:[list=1]
What is Catwoman's origin? I mean, why does Selina Kyle take the name 'Cat'? (Yes, I know nothing about her, so please, sue me...)
Will Patience Prince, the movie Catwoman, will be featured as an official character in any DC Comics? :D
[/list=1]

Thank you for your time... :cyclops:

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by MFM
Will Patience Prince, the movie Catwoman, will be featured as an official character in any DC Comics? :D

Thank you for your time... :cyclops:

God forbid.

[Anubis]

Well, the only origin I have seen so far was the one in Batman Year One. Where she was a hooker and was inspired to become a colorful theif by watching the Bat in action. I think the upcoming Catwoman book by Jeph Loeb "When in Rome" may cover her true origin. I don't know. As far as I can tell she's just some slightly crazy broad who decided to dress as a Cat cause it fit with the whole Car Burgler thing.

[MFM]

Originally posted by The Leaguer
God forbid.
Originally posted by Anubis
Well, the only origin I have seen so far was the one in Batman Year One. Where she was a hooker and was inspired to become a colorful theif by watching the Bat in action. I think the upcoming Catwoman book by Jeph Loeb "When in Rome" may cover her true origin. I don't know. As far as I can tell she's just some slightly crazy broad who decided to dress as a Cat cause it fit with the whole Car Burgler thing. I see... so she really doesn't have any "real" origin, yet.
Anyway, thank you both for your time. :)

[Supergirl]

Young Selina Kyle was found beaten up and unconscious outside a mission in Gotham City by a nun. While in the hospital, a cop referred her to a self defense specialist. She went to him and began learning. Inspired by Gotham's new vigilante, the Batman, Selina decided to wear a mask - she adopted the cat as her other persona. Selina attacked her pimp - Stan. She was surprised to see her sister, Maggie, now a nun. She ran, and Sister Magdalene spoke with cops and began tracking Selina. Word got back to the Catwoman that her sister had been looking for her. She confronted her sister. After they spoke, Stan kidnapped the nun. The cops questioned Selina about the nun. Batman showed an interest in the pimp/nun situation and began investigating. The cops began tailing Selina hoping she'd lead them to Stan. As Catwoman, she tracked him and her sister. They were holed up in an abandoned theater. After a struggle on a catwalk, Stan and Magdalene fell. Batman saved the sister, but Stan died in the fall. Selina's friend, Holly, was at the scene when the cops arrived. Batman got Sister Magdalene to safety. After a three week stay in the hospital, Magdalene was visited by Selina. Holly came in beaten up, she said a cop did it. Catwoman went after the cop. Batman was able to stop her from killing the cop (he was tipped off by the nun). Catwoman kissed Batman, and catching him off-guard, she escaped.

taken from the synopsis of Sister's Keeper at www.thebatsquad.net :)

[Anubis]

So I was right, hooker, turned master thief, turned hero. Didn't know about all that other stuff though. Good lookin out.

[NeoSamurai]

When in Rome is more of a sequel to Dark Victory but follows Catwoman's story and her relationship to the Falcone family (of which the Roman was her father).

[Bat-Mantis]

Wait... Carmine Falcone was her father?

[Anubis]

apparently....

[TheCorpulent1]

When was that revealed?? :confused:

[Anubis]

In the When in Rome mini thats coming out............maybe...........I don't know. All I know is that there supposed to be some sort of connection between her and the Falcones. That she's related to them in some way.

[NeoSamurai]

It was revealed in Dark Victory.

[batnkevlar]

What order (in modern continuity) did all the Justice Leaguers join the Justice League?

First Five: Aquaman, Hal Jordan Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Black Canary II, Barry Allen Flash.

6) Oliver Queen Green Arrow
7) The Ray Palmer Atom

What next?

[The Leaguer]

Can someone explain how Metamorpho came back from the dead? Before he popped up in Outsiders, the last I saw of him was his walking corpse in the JLA story with the Id, that wish-giver from the 6th dimension. Did they explain how he came back in Outsiders, and I just missed it?

[NightRiver]

The metamorpho in outsiders is not the original metamorpho. They explain it in issue 7 of Outisders. The original Meta, saved a bunch of heroes, from catastrophe in space by turning into somehting of an escape pod and got back to earth.(I forget who exactly, as Im at work and my comic is at home.) During re entry, pieces of his body fell to earth and stuff. One of those pieces is the Metamorpho in Outsiders.

Somehow, that piece evolved and thought he was Rex the original Metamorpho. After a confrontation, Metamorpho let him live only if he came up with a different name, which is Shift. Shift's powers have evolved beyond Rex's, as Shift can turn into any element at any time, not only elements that come from the body. For example, he turned into Root Beer in one of the issues.

Hope that helps.

[Mr. Fear]

Has Alfred ever died in continuity?