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AVEITWITHJAMON
08-10-2006, 04:51 AM
I dont know about anyone else, but most of the action in the first movie slightly dissapointed me and it was often to short. Now i know this may have been down to budget, but i hope the fights in this movie are slightly longer and a bit more epic. The best fight in the first movie was Hellboy vs Sammael in the train station and it lasted what? 3 minutes. This dissapointed me because the fights in Blade II were perfect, and this was the same team. So i hope we get a few longer and more epic fights in this movie, anyone else feel the same?
Carmine Falcone
08-10-2006, 07:48 AM
I don't have any problems with the action scenes in HB apart form the fact that some stunts were obviously done with wire-work.

I hope we get a kickass battle sequence with HB fighting fairies. I'll pay for that. :D
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-10-2006, 08:00 AM
Thats what i am hoping a few longer and more intense fight sequences in the sequel, but i think GDT mentioned somewere that the budget for the sequel is the same as the first movie, so that may not be possible.
TheShadowCat
08-10-2006, 09:16 AM
Well, now that there's no need to set up the character's backgrounds, there will be more time for some serious monster butt kicking. GDT has promised us more action this time around.

>^^<
monkeygust
08-10-2006, 10:23 AM
I think now that they're at Universal they're getting a slightly bigger budget.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-10-2006, 10:27 AM
I think now that they're at Universal they're getting a slightly bigger budget.

What makes you think that? Any sources or just a guess?

I just remember GDT saying that the sequel would be bigger in scale but no in budget. I hope the budget is bigger though, GDT can work wonders with a smaller one so imagine him with a biggish one.
Mr. Credible
08-10-2006, 06:15 PM
I dont know about anyone else, but most of the action in the first movie slightly dissapointed me and it was often to short. Now i know this may have been down to budget, but i hope the fights in this movie are slightly longer and a bit more epic. The best fight in the first movie was Hellboy vs Sammael in the train station and it lasted what? 3 minutes. This dissapointed me because the fights in Blade II were perfect, and this was the same team. So i hope we get a few longer and more epic fights in this movie, anyone else feel the same?

i agree partially... i liked most, if not all of the fights in hellboy. they were shorter, sure, but there were more of them, and them were spread out pretty evenly throughout the movie.

but yeah, the choreography in blade II was much, much smoother, as was the wire work (which was pretty off in hellboy in some scenes) and the fights (especially the last last few with blade vs. the guards and blade vs. nomak) were all aces.
Quicksilver
08-10-2006, 07:03 PM
I thought the action was pretty well done in Hellboy. But more scenes with his gun would be cool to see.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-11-2006, 03:58 AM
i agree partially... i liked most, if not all of the fights in hellboy. they were shorter, sure, but there were more of them, and them were spread out pretty evenly throughout the movie.

but yeah, the choreography in blade II was much, much smoother, as was the wire work (which was pretty off in hellboy in some scenes) and the fights (especially the last last few with blade vs. the guards and blade vs. nomak) were all aces.

This was a main concern of mine definately, and as you said, the fight scene's in Blade II were a lot smoother and IMO definately more exciting and nailbiting.
TheShadowCat
08-11-2006, 09:51 AM
This was a main concern of mine definately, and as you said, the fight scene's in Blade II were a lot smoother and IMO definately more exciting and nailbiting.

In Blade II, Jeff Ward was the fight choreographer, whereas Hellboy didn't have one at all. That may be why the fight scenes don't look as nice in Hellboy and who knows, maybe GDT will get one for Hellboy II.

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 03:23 AM
In Blade II, Jeff Ward was the fight choreographer, whereas Hellboy didn't have one at all. That may be why the fight scenes don't look as nice in Hellboy and who knows, maybe GDT will get one for Hellboy II.

>^^<

Jeff Ward was the fight choreographer for HB as well, i'm sure of it.
TheShadowCat
08-16-2006, 09:20 AM
Jeff Ward was the fight choreographer for HB as well, i'm sure of it.

Jeff Ward did stunts on Hellboy, but he wasn't the stunt choreographer according to IMDb.

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 05:17 AM
Jeff Ward did stunts on Hellboy, but he wasn't the stunt choreographer according to IMDb.

>^^<

I'm sure he at least helped choreograph the fights in the movie, in fact i'm sure of it, he is on the DVD.
Retroman
08-17-2006, 05:58 AM
I loved the action in the first film especially Kroenen.:up: My only wish is that Abe Sapien gets to do more and show his skills same with Liz, her power is a great offensive weapon and looks beautiful on screen.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 07:26 AM
I loved the action in the first film especially Kroenen.:up: My only wish is that Abe Sapien gets to do more and show his skills same with Liz, her power is a great offensive weapon and looks beautiful on screen.

I thought Kroenins fight with HB could have been longer, in fact i felt every fight could have been longer.
TheShadowCat
08-17-2006, 08:48 AM
I loved the action in the first film especially Kroenen.:up: My only wish is that Abe Sapien gets to do more and show his skills same with Liz, her power is a great offensive weapon and looks beautiful on screen.

Then you'll be happy to know that Abe gets a much bigger part in Hellboy II.

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 09:25 AM
Then you'll be happy to know that Abe gets a much bigger part in Hellboy II.

>^^<

I hope we get to see Abe fight, i am curious about his fighting style, i think it would be somewhat like Nightcrawlers in X2.
batman7289
08-18-2006, 03:55 PM
I cant wait for this movie
AVEITWITHJAMON
09-26-2006, 10:08 AM
^Your not the only one, i think it will rock and i have looked forward to it for a while now!
AVEITWITHJAMON
09-26-2006, 10:48 AM
I want to see HB REALLY in danger in this movie, i never got the sense that he was going to lose in the first movie and i hope they do it in this one.
The Kid
09-29-2006, 06:50 AM
I cant wait for this movie

YESH!
TheVileOne
09-29-2006, 11:09 PM
Kroenen really didn't do much in the first movie as far as fighting goes. They should find a way to bring him back and have him be more formidable.

Also, for the action scenes in Blade 2, you didn't have just Jeff Ward, but also Donnie freaking Yen doing stunt choreagraphy.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-02-2006, 03:13 AM
^Dont think Kroenin is gonna be in this, think Del Toro confirmed that.
TheShadowCat
10-02-2006, 08:59 AM
At best, Kroenen will have a cameo in the 'don't blink or you'll miss him' kind of thing.

>^^<
monkeygust
10-02-2006, 03:21 PM
^Dont think Kroenin is gonna be in this, think Del Toro confirmed that.

Unless something has changed. Kroenen will definately be in HB2.
Savage
10-02-2006, 03:40 PM
Unless something has changed. Kroenen will definately be in HB2.
As a cameo.

I thought the action in Hellboy was fine honestly. Fit the spirit of the comic very well. No fancy stuff really, just heavy hits.

Wirework sure could use some work though.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-03-2006, 03:15 AM
As a cameo.

I thought the action in Hellboy was fine honestly. Fit the spirit of the comic very well. No fancy stuff really, just heavy hits.

Wirework sure could use some work though.

I'm sure Del Toro confirmed he wont make an appearance, cant find the article though so i maybe mistaken.

And your right about the wirework, it was poor at times in HB and i think we all know what parts i'm talking about. But other than that, i just didnt think the fights were anything exciting, and i never got the sense that HB would lose, which is something i hope for in the sequel.
TheShadowCat
10-03-2006, 08:31 AM
I'm sure Del Toro confirmed he wont make an appearance, cant find the article though so i maybe mistaken.

And your right about the wirework, it was poor at times in HB and i think we all know what parts i'm talking about.

What? Didn't you like HB hanging there in mid-air with his feet going nowhere like a big red cartoon character?:woot::woot:

>^^<
Flexo
10-03-2006, 07:43 PM
What? Didn't you like HB hanging there in mid-air with his feet going nowhere like a big red cartoon character?:woot::woot:

>^^<

I like to call it the Scooby.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-04-2006, 09:13 AM
What? Didn't you like HB hanging there in mid-air with his feet going nowhere like a big red cartoon character?:woot::woot:

>^^<

Erm, no lol. I hated it, thought they should have cut it lol!
TheShadowCat
10-06-2006, 08:34 AM
Erm, no lol. I hated it, thought they should have cut it lol!
Yeah, I have to admit I thought it was a bit less than professional when I saw him doing his Wile E. Coyote impersonation. Though I do like the Scooby comment.

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-07-2006, 07:47 AM
Yeah, I have to admit I thought it was a bit less than professional when I saw him doing his Wile E. Coyote impersonation. Though I do like the Scooby comment.

>^^<

Yeah i just thought it was a moment that totally took you out of the movie, the scen, other than that 10 second snippett, is a good scene and realistic looking, so i dont know why they kept it in.
Mike
10-08-2006, 07:17 PM
I never even noticed the scene. It was that big of a deal?
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-09-2006, 07:27 AM
^Oh yeah it was a terrible scene, definately should have been cut, i noticed it first time.
TheShadowCat
10-09-2006, 08:21 AM
I never even noticed the scene. It was that big of a deal?

Yeah, the bridge is collapsing and there's HB hanging in mid-air spinning his wheels as it were. I have a feeling they couldn't reshoot the scene, so they had to go with what they had.

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-09-2006, 09:00 AM
I dont understand why they just didnt cut that little 10 second segment, would have made the whole scene a lot better IMO.
TheVileOne
10-10-2006, 05:21 PM
Just saying, I'd like to see Kroenen actually *fight* someone in this movie. Be it Abe or someone else. That is if Kroenen does show up.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-11-2006, 03:19 AM
I think he will get no more than a cameo, if he is in it at all.
TheShadowCat
10-11-2006, 07:34 AM
I think he will get no more than a cameo, if he is in it at all.

The last I heard, Kroenen will be in a 'don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-'im' cameo.

My personal thought is that we'll see him escaping that pit probably during the ending credits. But that's just my theory, so no holding me to it.:cwink:

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-11-2006, 08:08 AM
HHHMMMMM, maybe, or perhaps he will be preserved in the BRPD somewere.
zanos
10-13-2006, 03:47 AM
The action scenes in the first film weren't great but weren't horrible. The lack of a true villian was more troubling. The sequel needs another director.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-13-2006, 04:16 AM
^Welll yeah that was the problem they were just average in the first movie. But i disagre about HB2 needing a new director, i wouldnt want anyone else but GDT on this!

Anyway, action almost always improves in CB movie sequels, take X2, Spidey 2, Blade II and Batman Returns for prime examples.
Flexo
10-13-2006, 06:42 AM
The action scenes in the first film weren't great but weren't horrible. The lack of a true villian was more troubling. The sequel needs another director.

The sequel needs a new director like I need another hole in my head.
TheShadowCat
10-13-2006, 08:49 AM
The action scenes in the first film weren't great but weren't horrible. The lack of a true villian was more troubling. The sequel needs another director.
No, it doesn't. There isn't another director out there who's going to treat this movie with as much heart and soul as GDT. Other directors will just make it an action movie and say, "Plot? What's that?"

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-13-2006, 09:55 AM
^Exactly, it shows how much GDT cares about this that he was shopping HB2 round to other studio's instead of directing Halo, most directors would have just forgot about it, GDT's love for the character will show on screen IMO.
zanos
10-13-2006, 04:23 PM
Having alot of passion for the film doesn't make you a good filmmaker nor does it necessarily mean you're the right person to direct. Hellboy as a character was written well but where's the story? There was no balance in the first film. It takes more than love for a character to create a successful movie.
monkeygust
10-13-2006, 04:36 PM
...There was no balance in the first film...

Explain.
TheShadowCat
10-14-2006, 08:17 AM
Having alot of passion for the film doesn't make you a good filmmaker nor does it necessarily mean you're the right person to direct. Hellboy as a character was written well but where's the story? There was no balance in the first film. It takes more than love for a character to create a successful movie.
You certain you watched the movie? I suggest you go back and rewatch it.

>^^<
zanos
10-16-2006, 12:22 AM
No thank you. I got enough sleep last night.
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-16-2006, 05:21 AM
^Well i havent seen a GDT movie i didnt like, granted i havent seen all of his movies, but i am a big fan of Blade II and Hellboy and wouldnt want anyone else on this movie.
TheShadowCat
10-21-2006, 12:08 AM
No thank you. I got enough sleep last night.
If you didn't like the film, why waste your time on these boards?

>^^<
AVEITWITHJAMON
10-21-2006, 05:04 AM
^Exactly, why even bother. I wouldnt want anyone else on this movie, GDT has shown he can make consistently good movies and i have no reason to doubt him now.
Kent
11-04-2006, 04:26 AM
Just saying, I'd like to see Kroenen actually *fight* someone in this movie. Be it Abe or someone else. That is if Kroenen does show up.

Kroenen did fight Hellboy, it was just a poor matchup. It could never have been a very exciting fight, and it went down like it should have. What they should've done was set up a fight between Kroenen and someone who would actually be in trouble in such a fight, like John Myers...
AVEITWITHJAMON
11-04-2006, 05:05 AM
Kroenen did fight Hellboy, it was just a poor matchup. It could never have been a very exciting fight, and it went down like it should have. What they should've done was set up a fight between Kroenen and someone who would actually be in trouble in such a fight, like John Myers...

HB was far too powerful for Kroenin, it would never have been a fiar match-up, but it had to happen for the revenge aspect.
jrd550
11-23-2006, 08:35 PM
Yeah I thnk Del Toro even recently admitted that the film was flawed...
zanos
11-23-2006, 10:21 PM
You don't say.
Flexo
11-23-2006, 11:05 PM
Yeah I thnk Del Toro even recently admitted that the film was flawed...

He said the sequel could be better.

And if a director doesn't believe the sequel can be better, why would he bother making it?
AVEITWITHJAMON
11-24-2006, 07:31 AM
Well the sequel does sound better! And ALL movies have flaws, it just depends on how many and if you movie is good enough to make you ignore them.