Civil War delayed....its a real big deal!

[Darthphere]

Pretty damn bad. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80636)


Discuss, this despicable act.:o

[Darthphere]

Post in this one, GNR's doesnt have a penguin.

[PWN3R]

This is so uber lame. UBER I SAY!:mad:


Can anyone say: big changes

[GNR]

Post in this one, GNR's doesnt have a penguin.

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Anyways,I'm not too upset.I'm only following the main book and NA.Still though,that's a significant delay.

[Darthphere]

Yeah it reeks of Armageddon 2001 type changes.

[PWN3R]

Man, this is lame. :(

[Dread]

Interestingly, DC's big event, INFINITE CRISIS, also fell behind by a few months, but that was during the final leg of the series (the last 2 issues or so). CIVIL WAR, in contrast, is at the midway point and the delays are already starting. Any way you slice it, that isn't good news.

Of course, considering the constraints of the medium, a 70 chapter crossover series was bound to have problems. Countless Marvel books, some not nearly as pivotal as CW, have been plagued by delays. But, I guess Marvel hoped for the best with this overlong series.

Hopefully, the rescheduled issues won't bombard otherwise slow weeks with wallet-busting amounts of books. That happens sometimes.

But honestly, CIVIL WAR has become sometimes overbearing with their arguements, which we have heard a million times, and makes no secret about "which side is right" and all. So a little break may be good. It's unprofessional, but that's Quesada's middle name. If not, it should be. ;)

[hippy fascist]

after the crap realeased in recent years marvel finally gets a crossover right and then this happens...:mad:

current theory is that this is down to miller's ill health bu to me this just looks like shockingly bad planning.

[Zaptoitnow]

I keep seeing people saying it reeks of plot changes, but what is making people say that? How do you expect it is being changed?

Also, at Newsarama, people mentioned CBR's Lying in the Gutters stated something about the Hate Monger being involved or behind the whole thing. Does anyone have a link for that info?

[Joker]

I don't care, I can deal with delays, I read The Ultimates and All Star Batman...one month is nothing :o

[Darthphere]

I keep seeing people saying it reeks of plot changes, but what is making people say that? How do you expect it is being changed?

Also, at Newsarama, people mentioned CBR's Lying in the Gutters stated something about the Hate Monger being involved or behind the whole thing. Does anyone have a link for that info?


Im willing to go witht he standard, theyre not meeting deadlines response, but it just seems odd to me.

[hippy fascist]

although if it is plot changes doesn't this mean that civil war ends around the same time as planet hulk...

...are you thinking what I'm thinking! :D

[Phaedrus45]

eh, the delay doesn't bother me that much. It's a humongous event, spanning over many books, and the results so far has been fantastic. The hard part will be in the tie-in books, sure. But, I'm enjoying this so much more than House Of M, and I even liked that story, even though some didn't.

[Darthphere]

although if it is plot changes doesn't this mean that civil war ends around the same time as planet hulk...

...are you thinking what I'm thinking! :D


No it doesnt, Planet Hulk ends in March, CW #7 would be out in january. Hulk isnt showing up in CW.

[hippy fascist]

god damnit!!!!!

I wanna see hulks revenge!

[GNR]

Hulk coming back is inevitable.His return has been hinted at everywhere from Cons and to the letters page in the book.

All in due time.

[GNR]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?s=&showtopic=63064&view=findpost&p=1408989

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[Colossal Spoons]

This is most unacceptable.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hulk coming back is inevitable.His return has been hinted at everywhere from Cons and to the letters page in the book.

All in due time.


I'd laugh if Marvel had the audacity to just not bring back Hulk.

[Sentry2005]

I'd laugh if Marvel had the audacity to just not bring back Hulk.

I'd laugh, drink spirits, and feast for seven days and seven nights in order to celebrate it.

It's not like I don't like Hulk. I just think it would be funny :)

[Kevin]

AHHH!!! i can't hold it in any longer. I MISS YOU GUYS SO DAMN MUCH!

[yenaled]

It does suck; I don't like when books are delayed and it is a rather significant delay.

It's the type of things that can kill a miniseries.

[Kraven]

I am disappointed, I'm really liking this series... I can't waith till Sept. 20th tho...

[LouFerignoDemon]

I am disappointed, I'm really liking this series... I can't waith till Sept. 20th tho...


Liked it more before some crucial screw ups. But I'm also dissapointed, and awaiting the 20th myself.

[Colossal Spoons]

AHHH!!! i can't hold it in any longer. I MISS YOU GUYS SO DAMN MUCH!

Missed you too buddyboy.

[PWN3R]

I missed the Hype, but what I missed most was you guys, the comic boards.:(

Good to be back, too bad CW is delayed though.:mad:

[Kevin]

i must say, i dont care that civil war is delayed, but marvel still f**ked up because it affects the ongoings.

[Darthphere]

The tie-ins get screwed.

[Slim31]

****ing motha****ers!!!!!

[Kevin]

^...something tells me you're angry.

[MyPokerShirt]

maybe theyre having second thoughts as to how the series should go? i dunno. anyway this is good news for me :) I have more time to cash cash to pay for everything! :rolleyes:

[Dread]

On the other hand, considering the overbaring agruments at times in certain tie-ins, a little bit of an extended break from the storyline (at least some segments; not every tie in is delayed) could be a bit of a breather.

And I missed the Hype too. ;)

[roach]

here comes wedged in supervillain

[Franklin Richards]

What get's me is the delay in FF. This is the flagship title that has been running consecutively longer than any title. Delaying the FF is like depriving me of food.

Screw that ****!


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Darren Daring]

Post in this one, GNR's doesnt have a penguin.

I'm convinced:up:

[Mister J]

That's a pretty significant delay. Just when things were starting to really pick up too. I'll join up with the skeptics and hope this isn't some midstream re-imagining.

[Lactophiliac]

So what Millar get sick and all of Marvel gets put on hold? I don't care if the guys dying let him die and get someone else to finish the title. Marvel is too loyal to its creators.

[Dread]

So what Millar get sick and all of Marvel gets put on hold? I don't care if the guys dying let him die and get someone else to finish the title. Marvel is too loyal to its creators.
Depends on who they are. Dan Slott was late on a bunch of books due to "health reasons" and overwork and Tom Bevroot all but chewed him out online.

Millar basically does the same, or not, or whatever, and it's not like ULTIMATES 2 or ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR have been the pictures of timeliness lately, but he sells like gangbusters, so he gets a pass. It's your standard "those at the top get perks, those at the middle get saddled" sort of things.

[Lactophiliac]

Millar basically does the same, or not, or whatever, and it's not like ULTIMATES 2 or ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR have been the pictures of timeliness lately, but he sells like gangbusters, so he gets a pass. It's your standard "those at the top get perks, those at the middle get saddled" sort of things.Well it's a stupid system, when you let people get away with being late what reason do they have to be on time? Joss Whedon was late writing Astonishing X-Men the guy writes for TV so he knows how to work with a deadline (Imagine he didn’t get an episode ready in time for broadcast, say hello to the last episode of your show) but since he could get away with it he was late.

[The Dude]

This is lame. I whats worse is marvel uses this as an excuse to take more of your money by adding more tie-ins and extending minis. And This isn't just civil war being delayed, most of the tie-ins are delayed too. really lame. yes, I am very irate.

[Ikaris-Eternal]

i wouldn't say i'm irate so much as deflated. i haven't been a giant comic reader since long ago, but i was following Civil War - however; i could also use a little time to gather cash to buy more books (and september 20 is just after my birthday) - hopefully the delays pay off with a better book

[Darthphere]

It just kills the steam of the series for me, especially with the big reveal. And now im going to get one of those big huge weeks where I have to drop down $100 for comics.

[GNR]

The tie-ins get screwed.

I'm surprised New Avengers isn't one of the titles being delayed.

[GNR]

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?s=&showtopic=63064&view=findpost&p=1408989

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Anyone read this?

A Captain America/Iron Man special?Hmmm

[Darthphere]

Heres what Paul O'Brien has to say:

We’re not just talking about a six week delay - at this rate, the end of the series is going to slip by a whole quarter. And I don’t for a second believe that issue #6 will ship when Marvel are claiming; history shows that when a major Marvel title starts slipping, it keeps slipping. The first set of dates never turns out to be right.

Now, aside from the fact that they’ve had to reschedule fourteen other top-selling comics, a delay in finishing CIVIL WAR screws up the 2007 publishing plan. Until CIVIL WAR finishes, they can’t launch THOR. They can’t launch MIGHTY AVENGERS. They can’t launch any of the other post-CW projects they’ve been hinting at.

The point is, this is NOT just another late book. It’s not just ULTIMATES shipping late again. This is a big chunk of the 2007 schedule going out the window. It’s going to put a dent in the bank balance.

If I was working on this book, and I was potentially to blame for it being late… well, I’d be worried.

[Darthphere]

I really enjoy Marvels way of thinking. "Hey, we messed up, but since were delaying the hell out of this event, heres 8 new tie-ins for you to buy!"


Most which ill probably end up buying.:( :down

[Narynan]

Wow, those are some serious delays. I mean let's face it, #5 is being pushed back to right THANKSGIVING! Wha.... jeeze. I mean lets face it thats way back, its only... well yeah... wow.

[ShadowBoxing]

Someone told me the Hate Monger might be behind it all...certainly an odd way to bring him back. Kind of reaks of trying to make Dr Light not lame.

[Darthphere]

I highly doubt that.

[ShadowBoxing]

I highly doubt that.I figure there will be some obscure villain (maybe a raft escapee we don't know about...) behind it all. The Hate Monger (Cosmic Cube version) with his almost unbiquitus nature and ability to instill hate in all ethnic and social groups certainly fits the bill.

He has been dead for quiet some time I think. At least half a decade or so at this point.

[Franklin Richards]

Psycho Man? As for the Hate Monger... Last I remember him was during the Byrne era of FF.

:ff: :ff: :ff:

[ShadowBoxing]

Psycho Man? As for the Hate Monger... Last I remember him was during the Byrne era of FF.

:ff: :ff: :ff:No he has been back in other forms. The last one was a being of pure energy. He died in like Captain America #40 or something (last series).

Pyscho Man is an interesting pick as well. But Hate Monger seems like something Millar might go for. However I am basing that strictly on his run with Ultimates which kinda goes a Hate Monger-ish route with Loki.

[taskmaster]

Now, I'll be disappointed if it isn't hate monger.

[GNR]

Most which ill probably end up buying.:( :down

Fight it Darth.

[ShadowBoxing]

Now, I'll be disappointed if it isn't hate monger.It kinda makes sense when you think about it. However I have yet to understand the Watcher's pressence in issue 1. That usually implies some cosmic forces. However I guess Annihilation is NOT tying in, so I guess that probably will mean nothing then.

[Darthphere]

Fight it Darth.


I already pick up Moon Knight, the only ones I find interesting is the War Crimes one shot and the Cap/Iron Man special.

[Franklin Richards]

Zemo prolly has more to do with it than we think.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[ShadowBoxing]

Now this is interesting. Dr Wienberg, who was responsible for deprogramming both Wolverine and (unsuccessfully) Northstar during Enemy of the State/Agent of Shield (by Millar) was originally the Rabble Rouser. A small time villian who used devices to turn people into slaves. He also rode around in a Sub Surface vehicle, which was taken from (and modified by him) the Hate Monger (who is apparently Kevin Bacon).

Hate Monger has a much better costume these days (or when he was last seen)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hatemonh4.jpg

[WildChild]

Man this blows,it was running like clockwork too.Should have known that wasnt going to last.Civil war being delayed i can deal with but all the tie in's too thats just a punch to the stomach.

[BrianWilly]

I'm confused...the comic was supposed to come out tomorrow, and we're just hearing now, a day before release, that it's been delayed for more than a month?? That can't be just Millar having trouble; something like that sounds far, far more complicated than just a writer not making deadline.

[Red]

Well that just sucks.

[Zenien]

As much as I know this would never happen due to finances, Marvel should just delay the other tie in books the same amount of tiem that CW is being delayed, so everythign syncs up.

[Marcdachamp]

This really sucks.

I'm willing to overlook it, though. After the eye-strain that was IC #7, I'll let it slide. I want the high-quality to last.

[Harlekin]

Wow, that's pretty... lame.

[hippy fascist]

still no mention on marvel.com...deny,deny,deny

[roach]

Psycho Man? As for the Hate Monger... Last I remember him was during the Byrne era of FF.

:ff: :ff: :ff:


that's not Tony...it's evil teenage Tony all growed up and still being messed with by Kang

[CaptainStacy]

No it doesnt, Planet Hulk ends in March, CW #7 would be out in january. Hulk isnt showing up in CW.

No, but they may be timing it so both minis end at the same time...

Pak has been dropping hints left and right about the Hulk returning to Earth for a little payback on his betrayers....(sounds like NEXT Summers "big event"...)

[Darthphere]

No, but they may be timing it so both minis end at the same time...

Pak has been dropping hints left and right about the Hulk returning to Earth for a little payback on his betrayers....(sounds like NEXT Summers "big event"...)


No doubt, but its not happening in Civil War.

[Darthphere]

I'm confused...the comic was supposed to come out tomorrow, and we're just hearing now, a day before release, that it's been delayed for more than a month?? That can't be just Millar having trouble; something like that sounds far, far more complicated than just a writer not making deadline.


The book had already been delayed to September 5th. They just didnt make a big announcement about it.

[Darthphere]

When contacted for comment by Newsarama, writer Mark Millar said: "All I can say is that I'm as surprised by all this as you are. In fact, I only found out about it when I got up this morning and read my email. But you know what? This is a very cool thing for Marvel do to because it would have been so much easier to just go for a cheap fill-in artist instead of pushing back the books. Steve had virtually no lead-time on Civil War and a title with a million characters has proven much tougher than he expected. He and I both assumed a fill-in would be on the cards at some point, but Marvel credit Steve with a huge amount of our book's success and, as a creator, I'm genuinely stunned they spread the project out by another seven weeks to make it work for him. Marvel really took a bullet here. This pushes a lot of cash into the next financial quarter for them and they've really put product over profit here. I absolutely never expected them to work their entire publishing schedule around an art delay, but it's cool that they did and I totally take my hat off to them. Sure, it's horrible when a book we want is a little late, but I can live with a few weeks if it means getting Steve McNiven every issue. Apologies to readers and thanks to many people who were worried this meant I'd got sick again (I'm doing absolutely fine, thanks). This has been the biggest book of the millennium so far and it's clear people are passionate about waiting. But, honestly, it'll be worth it for seven issues of pure McNiven."


Seems like its an art delay.

[ShadowBoxing]

Seems like its an art delay.Editting and management at Marvel sucks for allowing this kind of crap to go on.

[Darthphere]

So I guess we can stop using the Millar is sick excuse.

[ShadowBoxing]

So I guess we can stop using the Millar is sick excuse.Captain America is in traction after issue 3, so he is in the hospital. He cannot do any of the stunts for issue 4 until he heals. Get well soon Cap:(

[Darthphere]

But honestly, how behind is McNiven?

[ShadowBoxing]

But honestly, how behind is McNiven?We need to make Cap a card. He has been betrayed by his friend, now he is in traction.



I have no idea how behind, I'd assume 7 pages maybe

[Darthphere]

I guess we should just be happy its not Bryan Hitch on art.

[hippy fascist]

But honestly, how behind is McNiven?

even his website's out of date :D

http://www.stevemcniven.com/

still says hard at work on CW#3

[ShadowBoxing]

I guess we should just be happy its not Bryan Hitch on art.Talk about a perfectionist.

[hippy fascist]

Wizard have really dropped the ball on this one, site's been updated but nothing about the delays on there

[GNR]

Seems like its an art delay.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?s=&showtopic=63079&view=findpost&p=1409469

Yup.From Steven McNiven himself:


"Hey folks, just thought I should get a post up here. First up apologies to the fans and retailers of civil war. The responsibility for the art delays lies with me, period. I've been working harder than I ever have, (and this is my third profession), but this is the hardest project I've ever done and as Mark said, I had little lead time. It was as big a surprise to me as anyone else that Marvel changed its publishing schedule to allow Mark and I to finish the series together.

When I was sent word of this yesterday, I realized the problems that this will cause for readers and retailers immediately. After reading Hitchy's post I am beginning to understand why Marvel went this way, but it still amazes me. Of course I am proud of the work I have done on Civil War and I am chuffed that Marvel feels the same way, but I worry for the people that could be negatively effected by this. Please realize that the art delays were never meant in a malicious way nor am I being a prima donna with my work. What I'm trying is to do service to the exceptional story that Mark has written. That's it, and is all that I focus on when I'm at the table. I let Marvel know exactly where I am on a daily basis, from day one, so that they can make the decisions like the one they have made. I'll continue to work hard to put out the rest of this series with the best work I can do in the time I have been given and I hope that you, the fans and retailers will stick with us, 'cause Mark has written a real gem here.

Thanks,
Steve

[Harlekin]

Y'know, I'm not always a fan of fill-in artists, but it's not like they're a sin.

[roach]

hey McNiven....get off the internet and get drawing

[Darthphere]

Yeah, im a big fan of McNiven but a fill-in artist isnt going to kill anybody. The problem is that his style is pretty unique, id be hardpressed to name someone similar.

[Spider-Man™]

If it means the books will be better then i can wait them out.

[Darthphere]

If it means the books will be better then i can wait them out.


But thats the point you shouldnt have to.


Do you go to the restaraunt order a $30 meal and wait 3 hours because the Chef took his time to make it perfect? No, you ***** and complain.

[ShadowBoxing]

hey McNiven....get off the internet and get drawingI bet he looks at cartoon porn.

[GNR]

But thats the point you shouldnt have to.


Do you go to the restaraunt order a $30 meal and wait 3 hours because the Chef took his time to make it perfect? No, you ***** and complain.

Any of us could easily stop buying CW if this pisses us off so much.It's not like we've already payed for the next 4 issues.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, im a big fan of McNiven but a fill-in artist isnt going to kill anybody. The problem is that his style is pretty unique, id be hardpressed to name someone similar.
Exactly. Delays only cause delays. Fill-in artists used to run rampant, now we're all scared of them as hell. A moderate use of fill-in artists isn't going to bring about the end of the world.

[Darthphere]

Any of us could easily stop buying CW if this pisses us off so much.It's not like we've already payed for the next 4 issues.


Jesus Christ! But we did, this is what happens when you buy the first 3 issues of a 7 issue series. You expect the next 4 issues on time because you already invested money into the product. If you pay $200 for a football game, you expect to watch 4 quarters of football. Not 2, then wait 3 hours during half-time and for it to start back up again. Yeah, you can walk out, but you paid to watch the game.

[roach]

But thats the point you shouldnt have to.


Do you go to the restaraunt order a $30 meal and wait 3 hours because the Chef took his time to make it perfect? No, you ***** and complain.


only in comics are we told something is delayed and we supposed to be ok with it

[hippy fascist]

only in comics are we told something is delayed and we supposed to be ok with it

actually it's pretty much the same with videogames e.g. recent prey demo on x-box live coming out 2 weeks after pc demo and still lagging like a *****

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly. Delays only cause delays. Fill-in artists used to run rampant, now we're all scared of them as hell. A moderate use of fill-in artists isn't going to bring about the end of the world.Depends on the artist. But back in the eighties during Nocenti's run on DD, JRjr. took two hiatuses due to a recent marriage (I believe) and Ditko (and then some other guy) filled in. However their strategy was great. They ran an out of continuity story in JRjr abscence so the story with his art would not lose consistency. However this doesn't really work for CW.

[Harlekin]

Depends on the artist. But back in the eighties during Nocenti's run on DD, JRjr. took two hiatuses due to a recent marriage (I believe) and Ditko (and then some other guy) filled in. However their strategy was great. They ran an out of continuity story in JRjr abscence so the story with his art would not lose consistency. However this doesn't really work for CW.
True. However, if it's for one issue only, I wouldn't be too bothered by it. I'd also make sure it's put in clean halves, so as not to unnecesarily confuse the readers. Probably too late for that now anyway though.

[Ahura Mazda]

So happy i decided to wait for the series to be finished before buying it now

[Ultimate_Superman]

They are going to kill MJ after I heard that I just gave up on Marvel. Thats what makes Spider-Man change sides.

[ShadowBoxing]

True. However, if it's for one issue only, I wouldn't be too bothered by it. I'd also make sure it's put in clean halves, so as not to unnecesarily confuse the readers. Probably too late for that now anyway though.Yeah but this would be like having a fill in artist on Watchmen or Ultimates. They aren't ongoings, so when that trade comes out you want the consistency. With New X-Men I could take the switch off between Van Shriver, Quietly and Jimenez (and Silvestri) and the crap artists (whatever their names were). But here you need the consistency. It is a management problem right now. Marvel is not pushing for deadlines like they used to.

[GNR]

They are going to kill MJ after I heard that I just gave up on Marvel. Thats what makes Spider-Man change sides.

Wow.

[Darthphere]

Yeah but this would be like having a fill in artist on Watchmen or Ultimates. They aren't ongoings, so when that trade comes out you want the consistency. With New X-Men I could take the switch off between Van Shriver, Quietly and Jimenez (and Silvestri) and the crap artists (whatever their names were). But here you need the consistency. It is a management problem right now. Marvel is not pushing for deadlines like they used to.


Dude, please never put Civil War in the same context of Watchmen. And Infinite Crisis had fill in artists, thats why the art was crap in the last issue and in other spots. But the book still was #1 and was enjoyed.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Thats the big event though I am sure every knew this. When they kill MJ Spider-Man sees where the heroes went wrong.

[roach]

Yeah but this would be like having a fill in artist on Watchmen or Ultimates. They aren't ongoings, so when that trade comes out you want the consistency. With New X-Men I could take the switch off between Van Shriver, Quietly and Jimenez (and Silvestri) and the crap artists (whatever their names were). But here you need the consistency. It is a management problem right now. Marvel is not pushing for deadlines like they used to.


Yeah but DC's entire line wasnt waiting on Watchmen to be finished

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude, please never put Civil War in the same context of Watchmen. And Infinite Crisis had fill in artists, thats why the art was crap in the last issue and in other spots. But the book still was #1 and was enjoyed.Not quality wise. But they are both minis, or limited issue stories.

And a large complaint about Crisis was the inconsistent art. Joe Quesada is the one responsible for making artists get their work out on time. He obviously is lax in providing incentive (or punishment) for on time (late) work.

[Darthphere]

Not quality wise. But they are both minis, or limited issue stories.

And a large complaint about Crisis was the inconsistent art. Joe Quesada is the one responsible for making artists get their work out on time. He obviously is lax in providing incentive (or punishment) for on time (late) work.


But IC was still enoyed.:o

[roach]

Watchmen was a stand alone mini while Civil War is supposed to impact all the books and provide a new direction for the line

[Darthphere]

Hey what does Bryan Hitch have to say?

It's easy to think that having a late book is terminal and everybody flies into a panic because it's been a condition of the industry for so long. This is an industry that has, for most of it's seventy years, made it's living on periodicals and we all know they have a limited shelf life. If your book is a month late n the magazine racks your space goes to somebody else because the stores and newsagents wnat it filled.

This is not the case now; for a start comics are mostly sold in specialty stores and they will keep books on shelves for far longer than a single month, secondly there has been an enormous growth in revenue from collections and so called graphic novels.

Years back Perez hit his deadlines on Crisis by eventually going to breakdowns but had Ordway on finishes so the standard was high. Nobody was expecting twenty-five years of continued reformatting and sales of the collections, they were just aiming at deadlines. However, as much as I love my Absolute collection of Crisis as a mark of my comics reading childhood, I don't love the fact they had three different styles on the finish from three different inkers. I hate that on Infinite Crisis that so many cooks are involved when the fab Phil J should have been allowed to complete the project for my own tastes, anyway.

Two of my favourite re-reads in collections are Dark Knight and Watchmen. Nobody now remembers that each was late at the time of the original periodicals but that was a blip, a couple of years in each's 25 year publication history and these will STILL be published 25 years from now. I love these books but how awful would it have been if the otherwise brilliant Jim Aparo had drawn issue 3 of DK, or that DC had Alan Davis do an issue of Watcmen. Both brilliant guys but you would have hated the blip in the collections for the short term gain.

These days we have the benefit of hindsight and there are precedents. You can't set out to create a classic or a series with longevity but it's getting easier for publishers to spot them as they unfold because the collection market is so large now and one can see what works and what doesn't. A fill-in might potentially stave off an unfortunate delay but hurt the long term property potential and the only reason a company would consider a fill-in necessary would be to avoid a financial hit in the short term not to keep you guys happy. If they are willing to take what must be a massive hit in the pocket, believing in it's long term potential, to allow it's creators to finish the book as intended then that isn't really a bad thing.

If we do things the way they have always been done then we don't develop. It pays to be flexible, I guess and Marvel obviously believe they are doing the best thing in the long game for a product they believe in and one that has already proven more successful than they belived possible.

Mark isn't exaggerating when he talks of how quickly this thing was put together and the small lead time. Nobody had intended the book to even exist; other plans were in place but the geniuses of Bendis and especially Mighty Mark started the ball rolling that Mark would evolve into Civil War (which also means we have to find a new title for our big follow up, so thanks MM). It's also been the biggest jobs of both Markie and Stevie's careers and required an enormous amount of work from both. Watcmen was bi-monthly remember and wasn't a crossover. I envy them their massive sucess but not the even more massive work involved. Nobody gets paid more for working harder in comics.

Mark and Steve should be applauded for the efforts as those efforts are a clear indicator of why the book is a success. Marvel should also be applauded for making sure everybody gets the best prossible product. It's a delay guys, not a cancellation. Certainly not a crisis!


Lets applaud Mark and Steve for not hitting a deadline.:up:

[Spider-Man™]

But thats the point you shouldnt have to.


Do you go to the restaraunt order a $30 meal and wait 3 hours because the Chef took his time to make it perfect? No, you ***** and complain.

Very true.

[Harlekin]

You know, if the story's good, I don't even care if there's a fill-in artist half the time. I enjoyed the hell out of IC #7, rife though it was with fill-in artists, but y'know, when I first read it, I hardly even noticed.

Now, I'll admit, McNiven has a pretty unique style, but damn, just about everything in the Marvel publishing schedule hinges on this thing. Both Millar, McNiven and Hitch have now confirmed that the whole event was a rushjob. That was their first mistake. They should've taken the time to plan this thing out.

And don't start about Watchmen or DKR. They didn't have anything hinging on them, and you, me and Marvel all know Civil War isn't going to be close to rival a work like Watchmen. Why pretend it will?

[Darthphere]

You know, if the story's good, I don't even care if there's a fill-in artist half the time. I enjoyed the hell out of IC #7, rife though it was with fill-in artists, but y'know, when I first read it, I hardly even noticed.

Now, I'll admit, McNiven has a pretty unique style, but damn, just about everything in the Marvel publishing schedule hinges on this thing. Both Millar, McNiven and Hitch have now confirmed that the whole event was a rushjob. That was their first mistake. They should've taken the time to plan this thing out.

And don't start about Watchmen or DKR. They didn't have anything hinging on them, and you, me and Marvel all know Civil War isn't going to be close to rival a work like Watchmen. Why pretend it will?


Yeah, it backs everything up now. We mightve gotten a Thor title in January, not that will be delayed as well. Also the release of Mighty Avengers as well. And no to mention all the writers and artists working on the dleayed tie-ins will now be producing 2 less books this year meaning theyre not getting paid for 2 books this year. And the retailers are the ones that get screwed. "Sorry honey, no presents this christmas, I was expecting big money from Civil War but it was delayed."

[roach]

"Excuse me sir there was a problem in preparing your steak and it'll be done in about 45 minutes...however while we wait let's take a moment to recognize the awesome job that the chef is doing since the delay is a due to him wanting you to get the best steak possible."

[Darthphere]

"Excuse me sir there was a problem in preparing your steak and it'll be done in about 45 minutes...however while we wait let's take a moment to recognize the awesome job that the chef is doing since the delay is a due to him wanting you to get the best steak possible."


:up: :up: :up:

[roach]

"...lest not forget that just last week Emeril was late in preparing his masterpiece Cajun Lobster and Shrimp too."

[hippy fascist]

Thats the big event though I am sure every knew this. When they kill MJ Spider-Man sees where the heroes went wrong.

:eek:

Source? :confused:

Hasn't queseda already said he doesn't want to make spidey a widow as this would age him even further than being married?

[Harlekin]

Exactly. MJ isn't going to die people. Severely injured at best.

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly. MJ isn't going to die people. Severely injured at best.Maybe she'll go into a persistent vegetative state and then the Civil War will split into two new camps. Those who think MJ should be left on life support and those who believe she is legally dead and should be treated as such. Then Joe could have his cake and eat it too (although that is usually an everyday thing - except with actual cake).

[Darthphere]

Maybe she'll go into a persistent vegetative state and then the Civil War will split into two new camps. Those who think MJ should be left on life support and those who believe she is legally dead and should be treated as such. Then Joe could have his cake and eat it too (although that is usually an everyday thing - except with actual cake).


Let me call Jeb Bush.

[ShadowBoxing]

Let me call Jeb Bush.Bill Frist can testify before SHIELD on his findings.

[roach]

and then there will be a bunch actors and musicians protesting outside her hospital

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe MJ will be captured by the villains and brainwashed into becoming one herself. Naw that would be stupid, mindwipping is such a stupid premise for a story.

[Darthphere]

Bill Frist can testify before SHIELD on his findings.


Rick Santorum will bring in his dead fetus to rpove stem cells shouldnt be used on mary Jane.

[ShadowBoxing]

and then there will be a bunch actors and musicians protesting outside her hospital

Aquarian, Jennifer Kale and Angar the Screamer will probably be in the crowd. Damn hippies.

[ShadowBoxing]

Rick Santorum will bring in his dead fetus to rpove stem cells shouldnt be used on mary Jane.Even worse it will be the dead fetus of Spider-Man's unborn child.

[Xofenroht]

Oh...this is such bullscat!

I want Thor DAMMIT!

[roach]

Oh...this is such bullscat!

I want Thor DAMMIT!

ok:confused:

[Harlekin]

The retailer perspective. (http://www.comixexperience.com/savblog/2006/08/not-exactly-hat-trick-hibbs-on-late.html)

Very interesting little rant. I'd almost advocate the boycotting of Civil War, but it's taking away valuable money from good people.

[Darthphere]

The retailer perspective. (http://www.comixexperience.com/savblog/2006/08/not-exactly-hat-trick-hibbs-on-late.html)

Very interesting little rant. I'd almost advocate the boycotting of Civil War, but it's taking away valuable money from good people.


I really feel for the retailers. Its not like comic book stores are overly profitable as is, now theyre taking a big chunk of business.

Also, it sucks I didnt win ASSHAT of the week.

[Harlekin]

Marvel Comics deserves it. I think maybe we should make them honorary members.

[Doc Destruction]

The fill-in artist. Yet another convention of Marvel's that has been abandoned for a lesser finished product. Yes, fat ass...delays make the product weaker. Darth's example of IC was spot on. And look, 52 hasn't missed a deadline yet, uses different artists and is STILL good.

This is why letting the artists run the house at Marvel was a damn stupid idea.

[Darthphere]

52 is about average for me.

[TheCorpulent1]

52's stories are hit-or-miss for me. The art's generally been quite good, though.

[hippy fascist]

My biggest problem with this is that there's still been no official announcement from marvel. The reason we know about this is leaked e-mails sent from marvel to retailers. There was a guy on another board saying he could have his supply of marvel books cut off for breaking some retailer agreement or other. So what was marvel thinking? That we'd show up at our LCS's and not notice that our orders were a few books shy?

Miller himself said he only found out yesterday in an e-mail. I mean what the ****! It's bad enough pulling a stunt like this but you could at least let your readers know. If this turns out to be some huge elaborate prank to stir up more hype for civil war I will drop every marvel title cause that would be crossing the line (and that would only leave me with 5 titles a month :( but I will do it :mad: )

[Darthphere]

I seriously dont know why you guys are syaing, oh they told us the day before it was going to be delayed. It already had been pushed back to September 5th before the announcement, and it wasnt on the Diamond list for this week, why is is such a shock?

[hippy fascist]

the point is marvel should have made some kind of announcement the second they new about this delay rather than this cloak and dagger ****

[Doc Destruction]

52 is about average for me.

Well, to alot of people, it's been great, and it's WEEKLY. So why is it so damn hard to bring the reigns in on people? Marvel AND DC.

[hippy fascist]

but aren't they rotating the artists on that book, which means they have more than a week to work on their next issue, I'm not reading it so I wouldn't know

[Darthphere]

Well, to alot of people, it's been great, and it's WEEKLY. So why is it so damn hard to bring the reigns in on people? Marvel AND DC.


Nice addition there at the end.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

but aren't they rotating the artists on that book, which means they have more than a week to work on their next issue, I'm not reading it so I wouldn't know
Yes, they're rotating the artists. At first it was on a monthly basis, so one artist would draw 4 issues, then another artist would draw 4 issues. But now it's kind of erratic, with more than one artist per issue sometimes.

[Darthphere]

Yes, they're rotating the artists. At first it was on a monthly basis, so one artist would draw 4 issues, then another artist would draw 4 issues. But now it's kind of erratic, with more than one artist per issue sometimes.


And more people are noticing that some of these storylines are being dragged out.

[Darthphere]

Wait, for Civil War, wasnt the first issue late as well? I dont think any of the issues have come out on time.

[Doc Destruction]

And more people are noticing that some of these storylines are being dragged out.

How are they being dragged out? The crap really hit the fan today and everything is really ramping up now.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, for Civil War, wasnt the first issue late as well? I dont think any of the issues have come out on time. It wouldn't surprise me. McNiven seems like he'd take a long time on his work.

[hippy fascist]

Ahem, Darth

If it means the books will be better then i can wait them out.

But thats the point you shouldnt have to.


Do you go to the restaraunt order a $30 meal and wait 3 hours because the Chef took his time to make it perfect? No, you ***** and complain.

Id bet by left testicle thats why its so late. If you guys want rushed art, go for it.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Make your mind up

[TheCorpulent1]

Ooooh, Darthphere's a flip-flopper.

[Darthphere]

How are they being dragged out? The crap really hit the fan today and everything is really ramping up now.


Well nothign really has happened yet, and I havent gotten this weeks issue. Ralph is crazier and more patheitc than before. Steel is nowhere to be seen. Renee and "Charlie" are tracking down Intergang (which we know is still around OYL). Black Adam is just chillin, and Booster Gold is an ass. Am i missing something?

[Darthphere]

Ooooh, Darthphere's a flip-flopper.


Not really, because the delay involving War Journal is a book that hasnt even come out yet, its different when its in the middle of a mini-series. Like I stated with IC. So its two different situations all together.:o :o :o :o :o :o

[Darthphere]

I want a written apology from Hippy for trying to sully my name further than it is already. :mad:

[hippy fascist]

i'm sowwy :o :o




http://www.ridgetopbulldogs.com/English%20Bulldog%20Puppy%201.JPG

[Darthphere]

Thank you. I hope you saw the difference between my statements.

[hippy fascist]

ooh I've got more

http://www.ridgetopbulldogs.com/English%20Bulldog%20Puppy%204.JPG

:D

[Vartha]

Personally I understand why CW is late, I'm not upset with the Writer and Artist, I'm upset with Marvel not making CW a Bi-Monthly in the FIRST place.
This not only gives the Writer and artist time to do a great story, but, do it right in the first place.
Unless you WANT to see the Classic Marvel from the 60's -80's.
I wouldn't complian about the team working on it, I'd complian about the damn schedualing people.

[R&B]

Civil War, I couldn’t care less, as far as I’m concern they could cancel the whole thing and fire Millar, that will teach them to trust him and have never ending oversize arc

The guy is just cheap shock value gimmick anyway :down

If Civil War was priced at real cost including huge spamming publicity campaign and at least twice the time and production money put into it compare to other series, those issues would have to be sold at 20 bucks a piece; I think that money would be put to much better used and be better spread around all individual series, rather than this big versus gimmick nonsense thing

[Darthphere]

The spin continues. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80780)

[Darthphere]

Ha-ha, New Avengers wont be released for 2 months. Sorry guys.

[hippy fascist]

Firstly, I think the retailers who are saying this are wrong in the long-term, because right this second they’re most concerned about their short-term future, so they’re not worrying about the long term

surprisingly enough landlords tend to focus on the short term as well, and electric companies,and staff waiting for wages, and...

[hippie_hunter]

I hate it how Breevort goes after Slott for lateness yet he finds a way to justify this.

Though he does have a good point with the fill in artists. They do suck. I wish that Infinite Crisis stuck with just Jimenez. (In my opinion they should have made Jim Lee the artist since he is DC's biggest name in the art department, just like Johns is DC's biggest name in writing department)

[BrianWilly]

What a crock. If he doesn't want fill-in artists, fine; I'm not too fond of them either. But I can't believe how much he's trying to downplay this. "We're just pushing half our entire line back two months! No big deal! Retailers are only thinking in the short-term!!" Just admit that you screwed up. If you didn't screw up now, then you screwed up a couple months ago. To string everyone along in their fantasy of "everything is going just fine!" right up until the day before the comic was supposed to come out and then try to put off an attitude of "Hey, you should have seen it coming" is just...tacky.

And I definitely don't agree with his Infinite Crisis analogy. That was unfortunate business, yes, and I'm sure we've all rampantly chewed out DC for it...but to compare some internet b**ching to the amount of drama and complications that this has caused is just self-denial. 52 was supposed to ship the week after IC#7 shipped. OYL had already started. To push back IC#7 would have been pure catastrophe. Not to mention, most of the annoyance regarding the IC fill-ins was centered around the scenes on Earth-2 with Jerry Ordway, and DC had planned right from the beginning for him to draw the Earth-2 scenes. Who even cared that Ivan Reis subbed in?? Most people love Reis.

[Darthphere]

I found it funny that Brevoort says McNiven gavem the first page of #1 back In January, honestly, how ****ing lond does it take him to do a monthly? 6 week artists dont cut in my book.

[Darthphere]

Wait, somebody needs to get their stories straight.

All I can say is that this is really good of Marvel. Why? Let me explain. Civil War is seven issues long and both the first and last issues were extra-sized. Steve is a pretty fast artist, maybe a nine or ten books a year guy, but he only had a six or seven week head start on this series. Absolutely nothing at all. And it was always going to catch up with him, especially given that 100 characters appear in every issue and it's the most labour-intensive thing he's ever drawn. It also happens to be the BEST work of his career and Marvel could easily-- EASILY-- just done what DC did and stick fill-in guys on the series. In fact, we EXPECTED it for issue five because we knew a lot of titles like FF and so on were tying in.

Plus, it’s just a hard book to do. And we did get something of a late start, though that might have been surmountable if this was an easier sort of project—the first page of issue #1 was sent to me by Steve on January 3rd.


Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Someone is lying.

[BrianWilly]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/nsyncgirlique0/vwxxg4.gif

[Darthphere]

Man, I really am in the right line of work. :D

[Darthphere]

If this was a bank robbery, Marvel would be under arrest, their alibi's didnt hold up.

[Harlekin]

The only thing we need now is for Joey Q to finally truly admit that Civil War was an off the cuff thing to try and compete with DC's sales concerning Infinite Crisis and 52.

[roach]

Wait, somebody needs to get their stories straight.






Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Someone is lying.


usually when people offer up multiple excuses they are lying

[hippy fascist]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8158

yet another interview. The comment about the late notification completely contradicts itself. I know his pov and millars haven't quite seen eye to eye but now he's contradicting himself WTF:eek:
Why wasn't there more advance notice about the delay given to retailers?

We were trying to be responsible, believe it or not, and give retailers the whole picture of the ripple effect these changes would have to the entirety of the back end of "Civil War's" shipping schedule. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for us to simply say that "Civil War" #4 was going to be a week late, and then two weeks late again a week later, and so on, but we wanted to give everybody as much ample warning as possible, especially retailers so that they could manage their cash flow.

What kind of e-mails and calls have you been getting from comics retailers? What feedback are they giving you? Does Marvel have any plans to help soften the financial blow some smaller retailers will take as a result of this delay?

I don't know the sum total of the response we've been seeing from retailers - that's more a question for David Gabriel. But on the matter of the financial blow, one of the things that changes along with the revised shipping schedule is revised Final Order Cutoff dates. So any retailer who believes that these delays are going to decimate his readers' interest in the project can immediately go to the Diamond site and cut back their orders. Or, if they need to reallocate funds for cash-flow reasons, they can reduce their CIVIL WAR numbers now, and re-up them in two weeks' time. So other than the fact that they're not going to be seeing "Civil War" dollars when they were expecting to, I don't know how much damage this can really have on the smaller shops. I may be missing something, though.

They should really be offering sale or return if you ask me

[roach]

again only in comics is it ok to bash someone for complaining about a product that is gonna be late...
Its ok to complain about a movie that doesnt start ontime, a flight that doesnt leave on time, the mechanics who dont get my car back to me on time, the cable guy who never shows when he says........but the instant i complain about a book not being on time Im a whiney fanboy

[hippy fascist]

again only in comics is it ok to bash someone for complaining about a product that is gonna be late...
Its ok to complain about a movie that doesnt start ontime, a flight that doesnt leave on time, the mechanics who dont get my car back to me on time, the cable guy who never shows when he says........but the instant i complain about a book not being on time Im a whiney fanboy

I love you :o

[roach]

I love you :o

and I love you too...in a completely hetro way that doesnt involve deviant sex

[hippy fascist]

and I love you too...in a completely hetro way that doesnt involve deviant sex

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/LoganCreed.jpg

Butch!:up:

[Doc Destruction]

MY EYES!!!! Egads!!!

[Darthphere]

Vomitrocious.

[hippy fascist]

I don't know what it's from, my guess... another wolverine origins super secret variant? ;)

[roach]

lol

[LEX]

It's like a line of dominoes. One falls down, the rest falls down with it.

[roach]

hey TB is over at the Civil War thread standing up for his decision...lmao

[Darthphere]

Where @ Newsarama?

[roach]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80780&page=7

starts here and continues

[Darthphere]

Yeah, i read that last night.

[roach]

oh ok

[Darthphere]

He doesnt answer any of the tough questions, but does respond to the Dan Slott but why not anyone else claim, pretty badly at that.

[Xofenroht]

I really don't know how to feel about this one. As an aspiring comicbook writer I know I'd HATE it if my title had to be delayed because of someone else, but I'd also hate it if my story was ruined as a result of another title which ties into that.
I could go on and on about how (speaking as a fan) upset I am at this being late, but it probably doesn't matter for ME as a fan...wait...screw that. IT DOES! I'm going to have to shove out alot more money at once than I normally would have to which will put a damper on other plans I'd made for that money. I remember how long it took Spider-Man and Black Cat and how after waiting that long, I just said "Screw This!" and didn't care about the ending anymore.
This is a pain in the ass, seriously, but I can wait. My enjoyment of Marvel titles won't change as a result, I'm sure I'll still enjoy the story and the tie-ins they have going with this. I'd much rather them not have a sub-artist, because I look at sub-artists the way I look at sub-teachers. How? No one really considers the sub-teacher to be a real teacher. Whenever they come, the class just sort of falls apart, no one cares about what's going on. Anytime there's a sub-artist I'm too busy noticing how different they are from the original.

[hippy fascist]

Here's another gem from the newsaram session

We had a pretty good idea that issue #4 might be late when we wrapped up #3

Tom...I'd like you to meet mister small hole growing larger and mister spade, between the three of you I'm sure you can work something out :rolleyes:

[amazingfantasy15]

Did Marvel learn nothing from Kevin Smith and The Ultimates?!?! Guess not.

I did like the reasoning why people cooled off about the Ultimate Galatus trilogy, "it's not because the story sucked, it's because of fill-in artists" (obviously not the real quote). Also speaking of IC, I actually didn't even notice the artist changes, probably because the story was so good and so much was happening.

[The Cleric]

s*** happens.

[roach]

so they either have a fill-in artist which would allow him to get caught up on CW#5
or the postpone it a month which in turn sets back a good chunk of Marvel's line....

[The Cleric]

s*** happens, live with it

[Doc Destruction]

Whatever, complacent sheep.

[TheCorpulent1]

Repeating "**** happens" doesn't really mean anything. We all know **** happens. I'm upset because this ****'s been happening way too often.

[Darthphere]

Repeating "**** happens" doesn't really mean anything. We all know **** happens. I'm upset because this ****'s been happening way too often.


Well put.

[Xofenroht]

Repeating "**** happens" doesn't really mean anything. We all know **** happens. I'm upset because this ****'s been happening way too often.

Marvel must be eating too many prunes.

[hippy fascist]

s*** happens.

s*** happens, live with it

Clerics view

Not enough money to pay the mortgage this month - **** happens, live with it,

Not enough money to pay the electricity bills this month - **** happens, Live with it

Not enough money to pay wages this month - **** happens live with it

All of the above - **** happens, live with it

The Real World

Not enough money to pay the mortgage this month - have to downsize shop
Not enough money to pay the electricity bills this month - no more lights/heat

Not enough money to pay wages this month - no more staff

All of the above - No more comic shop

YES THEY SHOULDN'T RELY ON CIVIL WAR BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON ASM AND F4

[roach]

Repeating "**** happens" doesn't really mean anything. We all know **** happens. I'm upset because this ****'s been happening way too often.


and the "**** that happens" is just Marvel *****ting on us

[hippy fascist]

I really trying hard to avoid a FULL OF **** joke here

[Docker2.0]

Ult. Galactus did suck. Ult. Extinction sucked beyond conprehension. Hundreds of silver surfers and Galactus is a bunch of spaceships?! Quite possibly the dumbest event in comics. :o

[Xofenroht]

I really trying hard to avoid a FULL OF **** joke here

Oh come on...please? :up:

[Docker2.0]

I know my last post seemed way out of left field but I was replying to Roach's post about Ultimate Galactus.

[Xofenroht]

I know my last post seemed way out of left field but I was replying to Roach's post about Ultimate Galactus.

I agree with you about those mini series by the way. I smelled that bullscat series a mile away.

[roach]

I know my last post seemed way out of left field but I was replying to Roach's post about Ultimate Galactus.

i said something about UG??????

[Docker2.0]

Sorry Roach I meant Amazinfantasy15's post. My bad!

[stillanerd]

Gee, having issues not come out when they are scheduled seems to be Marvel's standard operating proceedure these days.

I'm almost inclined to think that because of how there's been a lot of complaints about how the pro-registration side has been portrayed as a bunch of two-dimensional a-holes that Marvel quickly decided that they needed to rewrite the last four issues of Civil War and all of the other subsequent tie-ins to make them come across better--but given the official explanation, that McNiven was behind on the artwork on Civil War just sound like the kind of thing that would be overlooked until it was too late for a major wide crossover such as this. I know the final issue of Infinite Crisis was late, but at least it's tardiness didn't virtually affect DC's entire line. And call me harsh, but this is the kind of thing that should get people at Marvel fired.

[TheCorpulent1]

That can't be it. Tom Brevoort specifically stated that the lateness isn't due to rewrites. Whether this post is ironic or not I'll leave entirely up to you.

[Mister J]

That can't be it. Tom Brevoort specifically stated that the lateness isn't due to rewrites. Whether this post is ironic or not I'll leave entirely up to you. http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3180/brevoortcopsoutoa0js6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, nice.

[Docker2.0]

I think that there are some last minute changes. I don't buy the art thing. marvel will lose out on to much money if that was the case. Kind of like DC a few years back with Captain Atom wasn't the big baddie any more. Marvel is doing the same thing.

[Darthphere]

Heres the new Civil War checklist, notce Frontline is now Monthly.

SEPTEMBER
CIVIL WAR #4
CIVIL WAR FILES
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #6
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #3
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #535
CABLE & DEADPOOL #32
CAPTAIN AMERICA #22
FANTASTIC FOUR #540
HEROES FOR HIRE #2
MS. MARVEL #7
NEW AVENGERS #24
WOLVERINE #46

OCTOBER
CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (One Shot) – New
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #7
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #4
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS &
RUNAWAYS #4
CAPTAIN AMERICA #23
HEROES FOR HIRE #3
IRON MAN #13
MS. MARVEL #8
NEW AVENGERS #25
WOLVERINE #47

NOVEMBER
CIVIL WAR #5
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #8
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #536
CAPTAIN AMERICA #24
FANTASTIC FOUR #541
IRON MAN #14
MOON KNIGHT #7 (Casualties of War) – New
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #1
WOLVERINE #48

DECEMBER
CIVIL WAR #6
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #9
BLACK PANTHER #23 – New
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES (One Shot) – New
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL (Casualties of War) – New
MOON KNIGHT #8 (Casualties of War) – New
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #2
WINTER SOLDIER: WINTER KILLS (Casualties of War) – New

JANUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR #7
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #537
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #538
BLACK PANTHER #24 – New
BLADE #5 (Casualties of War) – New
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #10
FANTASTIC FOUR #542
FANTASTIC FOUR #543
MOON KNIGHT #10 (Casualties of War) – New
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #3

FEBRUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #11 – New
CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT – New
BLACK PANTHER #25 – New
Please Note: Titles marked with “ – New” are new additions to the Civil War tie-in lineup.

[hippy fascist]

Heres the new Civil War checklist, notce Frontline is now Monthly.

OCTOBER
CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (One Shot) – New

CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT – New


These two look interesting any more details on format/content?

[hippy fascist]

Gee, having issues not come out when they are scheduled seems to be Marvel's standard operating proceedure these days.

I'm almost inclined to think that because of how there's been a lot of complaints about how the pro-registration side has been portrayed as a bunch of two-dimensional a-holes that Marvel quickly decided that they needed to rewrite the last four issues of Civil War and all of the other subsequent tie-ins to make them come across better--but given the official explanation, that McNiven was behind on the artwork on Civil War just sound like the kind of thing that would be overlooked until it was too late for a major wide crossover such as this. I know the final issue of Infinite Crisis was late, but at least it's tardiness didn't virtually affect DC's entire line. And call me harsh, but this is the kind of thing that should get people at Marvel fired.

weren't some of the books out next week though. Which would mean they'd already be printed, which would mean they'd have to pulp them = HUGE losses if that was the case

Your statement also implies that marvel actually pay attention to what there readers want

#cough# bendis off all avengers titles #cough#

[Darthphere]

These two look interesting any more details on format/content?


Nope, other than theyre one shots.

[stillanerd]

weren't some of the books out next week though. Which would mean they'd already be printed, which would mean they'd have to pulp them = HUGE losses if that was the case

They may be Civil War related but perhaps not absolutely dependent on the main Civil War story. To me, those books that are tied into the main storyline in Civil War seem to be the ones affected. And regardless, Marvel IS going to incur some fiancial loss due to the delays.

Your statement also implies that marvel actually pay attention to what there readers want

My overall point was that, while the art excuse is plausible, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to delay a lot of their comics due to last minute "story developments." It wouldn't be so much as paying attention to their readers necessarily--more like getting caught with their pants down and pulling them up quick enough so hopefully no one will notice.

#cough# bendis off all avengers titles #cough#

#cough# Joe Quesada demoted #cough#