So I guess Schuler Donner just confirmed an X4

[WorthyStevens]

The surprise clip at the end of this summer's "X-Men: The Last Stand," belied the film's title, leaving room for yet another stand of the mutant brigade. But when and which of the mutant posse will be back are the outstanding questions. Exec producer Lauren Shuler Donner reports that renegotiations will be in order for the fourth installment of the big-screen sagas. "The newer cast members are signed, and the older cast members are not." Considering the older names involved -- Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, Rebecca Romijn, Famke Janssen and Anna Paquin -- that could run into a huge chunk of money.

http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_4177414

[Electrix]

I think its all talk at this moment in time. I doubt FOX will even start negotiation anytime soon, not even the next year or so. They will do Wolverine, then be working on Magneto. Then hopefully they will start on X4.

[RED-RAIN]

yes, well you dont sign actors for nothing now do you?
she stated, clearly, that they have signed actors...
there will be an x4...
they obviously havent decided wether they want a new bred or not, wich is easy to see why i mean the previous cast would be easier to generate money from as its easily recognisable and are the staple characters... new actors could represent a slide in profits maybe...
we will just have to wait and see

[xmenfilesfan05]

yes, well you dont sign actors for nothing now do you?
she stated, clearly, that they have signed actors...
there will be an x4...
they obviously havent decided wether they want a new bred or not, wich is easy to see why i mean the previous cast would be easier to generate money from as its easily recognisable and are the staple characters... new actors could represent a slide in profits maybe...
we will just have to wait and see

Sometimes they do sign actors, just in case something could happen where they would like to use them again...it's a safety precaution really. And I'd like to have as much faith in your comment that there will be an X4, but at this point who knows.

[Mistopurr83]

oops! double post.

[Mistopurr83]

Why do you believe this woman? It's the same kind of vague speculation LSD has always been giving out. :o

[Destructicus]

I'm just happy there is more speculation that x4 will become a reality.

[Goddessreicho]

I find it ironic that this article pointed out that we have a better chance of seeing an X4 than a Superman sequel. When everybody thinks that SR was "a much better movie, and the begining of a great franchise."

At least with X4 we might see exploration of characters that had nothing the whole GD trilogy and were nothing more than glorified cameos with no purpose except as a lame attempt to quiet fans. *cough StormCyclopsBeast cough*

[spideyboy_1111]

I find it ironic that this article pointed out that we have a better chance of seeing an X4 than a Superman sequel. When everybody thinks that SR was "a much better movie, and the begining of a great franchise."
At least with X4 we might see exploration of characters that had nothing the whole GD trilogy and were nothing more than glorified cameos with no purpose except as a lame attempt to quiet fans. *cough StormCyclopsBeast cough*

umm... that doesnt seem to be the exact case... i know alot of people who were very dissapointed... and alot more who even didn't bother to see it

[Darthkush]

To me this doesn't confirm anything. If anything, it sounds more like X4 is too big a risk to the studio. I don't think Fox wants to blow that much money to get back the older cast members. Yes, X3 made a lot of money, but after it had such a huge opening weekend, I think Fox expected it's legs to be a little sturdier than it was.

[Goddessreicho]

umm... that doesnt seem to be the exact case... i know alot of people who were very dissapointed... and alot more who even didn't bother to see it

Lol, I was being sarcastic. That's why I had quotes. I can see the misunderstanding. Honestly I think that film was totally unforgivable. Only Spacey escapes my wrath in how much I hated it, and not completly either.

X4 does have potential of soothing some of the written plot holes and character mishaps that were in X3, as long as Penn and Kinberg dont F it up, again.

[spideyboy_1111]

To me this doesn't confirm anything. If anything, it sounds more like X4 is too big a risk to the studio. I don't think Fox wants to blow that much money to get back the older cast members. Yes, X3 made a lot of money, but after it had such a huge opening weekend, I think Fox expected it's legs to be a little sturdier than it was.
ummm sorry but X3 is deemed very successful.. legs or not.. it made a hell of alot of money... This report didnt confirm an X4... but it certainly let us know that the studio is thinkin about it... chances are LSD was thinking that "some" of the cast they will sign.. and "some" they wont... wich wouldnt surprise me

[spideyboy_1111]

Lol, I was being sarcastic. That's why I had quotes. I can see the misunderstanding. Honestly I think that film was totally unforgivable. Only Spacey escapes my wrath in how much I hated it, and not completly either.

X4 does have potential of soothing some of the written plot holes and character mishaps that were in X3, as long as Penn and Kinberg dont F it up, again.
i honestly don't think there was any mishaps in X3.. just a new chapter... people said old cast members had no development.. but for the most part. this is the third movie .. we know the main cast and who they are by now... and i just looked at the new characters as x-men were just starting to get to know.. much like how we hardly knew iceman in X1.. but he got development in 2

[Goddessreicho]

I know it was successful. I was thrilled about that. I really was. I saw it like four times. As a Storm fan, and a Halle fan, I really enjoyed her FINALLY doing something more than wearing tight white shirts, tilting her head, and flying the jet.

I also loooooooved Mags in X3. But I did have alot of problems with it, but less problems than I had with the first two movies.

I hated the fact that we saw no Angel and Psy together. Booo. No Gambit, booo some more. No Emma, booooooooo.

X4 can fix that. And help and to the multi-billion dollar franchise.

[WorthyStevens]

To me this doesn't confirm anything. If anything, it sounds more like X4 is too big a risk to the studio. I don't think Fox wants to blow that much money to get back the older cast members. Yes, X3 made a lot of money, but after it had such a huge opening weekend, I think Fox expected it's legs to be a little sturdier than it was.

Legs don't matter. The movie has already made it's budget back, and has made some profit. It hasn't even hit DVD yet.

[spideyboy_1111]

I know it was successful. I was thrilled about that. I really was. I saw it like four times. As a Storm fan, and a Halle fan, I really enjoyed her FINALLY doing something more than wearing tight white shirts, tilting her head, and flying the jet.

I also loooooooved Mags in X3. But I did have alot of problems with it, but less problems than I had with the first two movies.

I hated the fact that we saw no Angel and Psy together. Booo. No Gambit, booo some more. No Emma, booooooooo.

X4 can fix that. And help and to the multi-billion dollar franchise.

lol if gambit and emma were crammed into the movie they would have been brushed aside... as would the people who didnt get enough screen time as is...

and like i said.. angel had some of the most powerful scenes, and he had more development then iceman did in X1.. so can't wait to see more in X4

[Goddessreicho]

i honestly don't think there was any mishaps in X3.. just a new chapter... people said old cast members had no development.. but for the most part. this is the third movie .. we know the main cast and who they are by now... and i just looked at the new characters as x-men were just starting to get to know.. much like how we hardly knew iceman in X1.. but he got development in 2

No we don't. That's the problem. Beast, Storm, and Cyclops, who are three out of the four orginal movie-verse X-men have NO backround story, very little depth, character explanation or interaction, and no emtional explanation.

This is a huge problem, how are we to relate to these people, and learn to like them for more than their powers if we have nothing more than empty shells walking around and saying their lines.

X4 can fix that. Where as SRII can't undo the mistakes were made, like the kid, or the overbearing Jesus-tones.

[Hellion]

As much as I want X4, probably not gonna happen.

[spideyboy_1111]

No we don't. That's the problem. Beast, Storm, and Cyclops, who are three out of the four orginal movie-verse X-men have NO backround story, very little depth, character explanation or interaction, and no emtional explanation.

This is a huge problem, how are we to relate to these people, and learn to like them for more than they're powers if we have nothing more than empty shells walking around and saying their lines.

X4 can fix that. Where as SRII can't undo the mistakes were made, like the kid, or the overbearing Jesus-tones.
Beast and Storm have had much more development then Cyclops... so i'll give you him. We at least got to see much more of there opinions.. and there's still many more movies to add more to theres as well as cykes, I really hope the magneto movie shows Xavier recieve his first student... scott.

Storm was much much more fleshed out in X3... she had depth, and both her and beast had explanation and interaction as well as emotional explanation.. Scott also had emotional explination.. the explanation is the events of what happened in X2.

you musn't have payed much attention.. cyclops imo was the only character hard to relate too...

Storm: Has problems dealing with leadership, she was always a shadow, and
doesnt think she's good enough, and Xavier chose her to lead she's
the compassionate team member.. and rules with her heart

Beast/Nightcralwer/Mystique: They all deal with the issue of being physically
different one uses his brains to work his way
up the social ladder breaking the stereo type
along the way, another uses his faith while
beliving even in those who are doing wrong,
and the other is fueled by her hatred.

Angel/Iceman: Both are easily relateable for those who are gay.. with
iceman's coming out scene.. and both dealing with parents
dissaproval as well as there parents wanting them to change
Warren though also has the father/son issue going on

Jean: Jean was always held back, she always felt left behind as if her powers
weren't strong enough, she felt like she was a risk to the team rather
then an asset. She loses control as the phoenix and is over whelmed..
her power controls her.

Wolverine: the loner, the stubborn team mate with alot of rough ends.. but a
heart of gold, he likes to think he does things for himself.. but he
really does it because he likes to help

Xavier: the dreamer, always believing he can over come any obstacle with
peace.. he is the martin luther king of the x-men

Magneto: scorned from his past he fears that like the nazi's the humans will eradicate those who are different.

Rogue: she deals with the physical difference from the inside, her difference is
hidden, and she feels cursed by who she is

Colossus: no development

Psylocke: no development

Cyclops: little development, hes stubborn, got a temper, loves jean more
then anything, has a heart of gold, the leader of the team but out
shined by the new boy (wolverine). He falls apart with jeans death.

Toad: no development

Sabretooth: no development, but we know he really hates wolverine

Juggernaut: no development

Lady Deathstrike: no development


So.. ya.. for the majority of the cast.. i do find them easily relateable.. maybe you just haven't experienced enough in your life :confused:

[sonicphoto]

Can they just remake X-men 3 like they are remaking the batman series with batman begins and such? Seriously if they are going to make an X4 and not bringing Cyclops back it would be boring for me. Just watching wolverine, storm and the same cast do the things they know to do again and again. I prefer no new characters because I don't want poor introductions. I barely read the comics but still find X-men 3 just is a huge disssapointed compared to how good X-men 2 was. Why superman returns got fans happy? Because he make fans happy with X-men and X2 so I am not surprised SR was good.

[spideyboy_1111]

Can they just remake X-men 3 like they are remaking the batman series with batman begins and such? Seriously if they are going to make an X4 and not bringing Cyclops back it would be boring for me. Just watching wolverine, storm and the same cast do the things they know to do again and again. I prefer no new characters because I don't want poor introductions. I barely read the comics but still find X-men 3 just is a huge disssapointed compared to how good X-men 2 was. Why superman returns got fans happy? Because he make fans happy with X-men and X2 so I am not surprised SR was good.
with Scott's off screen death, they left leway for him to come back... please no X-remakes.. plus u'd have to wait 10-15 years for it.. and umm bud.. alot of fans were not happy with SR... infact seems to be the non supe fans who know nothing about supes... who enjoyed it the most

[Goddessreicho]

[QUOTE]Beast and Storm have had much more development then Cyclops... so i'll give you him. We at least got to see much more of there opinions.. and there's still many more movies to add more to theres as well as cykes, I really hope the magneto movie shows Xavier recieve his first student... scott.
I can't believe you just said that. WTH Jean was Xavier's first student. That's one of the reasons we saw the house scene, to farther infuse the realationship between Xavier and Jean. And you accused me of not paying attention. If Scott was the first student, where is the proof, or the bond he would have formed with Magneto or Xavier, please.

Storm was much much more fleshed out in X3... she had depth, and both her and beast had explanation and interaction as well as emotional explanation.. Scott also had emotional explination.. the explanation is the events of what happened in X2.
She had words in X3, but no reason for them. We saw her be angry about the very idea of the cure, but we have no idea why. That's because we know nothing about her past (in the movie-verse). That conversation between she and Beast just proves my point. Anger with no reason. The conversation with Kurt in X2 also proves my point. Anger with no real reason. WHY IS SHE ANGRY? What happened to her that makes her feel that way. I really want to know.

Scott loved Jean. That explains alot. He never got over her first depth, and he lost himself in the downward spiral of depression. More emtional explaination. People can relate to that. That's a given.

you musn't have payed much attention.. cyclops imo was the only character hard to relate too... See my explaination above. If you can't see how Scott never was shown going through the stages of grief properly it would explain why he shut himself off. Completly.

Storm: Has problems dealing with leadership, she was always a shadow, and
doesnt think she's good enough, and Xavier chose her to lead she's
the compassionate team member.. and rules with her heart
WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS FROM? Seriously I want to know. Storm has never had problems being a leader. The conversation with Xavier actually said that. Did you even watch the movie? Xavier gave her the job as leader because she's was currently the default choice. Cyke was no good, Logan is too immature to lead a team and not very dependable, Jean was dead and even if she wasn't she wouldn't be leading the team she works as a Mutant Activist and a doctor not alot of time for tacticle stuff, and Beast didn't even work in the mansion. Where did you get the idea that she thinks she is in the shadow? WTF, because we know nothing about her,we don't know what she thinks about herself, or anything outside of her hatred for humans or the cure. Watch the series again. Talk about grasping for straws, good lord. Lol. I thought we Rolo'ers were bad.

Beast/Nightcralwer/Mystique: They all deal with the issue of being physically
different one uses his brains to work his way
up the social ladder breaking the stereo type
along the way, another uses his faith while
beliving even in those who are doing wrong,
and the other is fueled by her hatred.
That's all great and good. But you kinda missed a point that I was trying to prove. How did Beast become blue between X2 (with a normal looking cameo and he was a doctor) and X3 where he was a politician? Who's gave birth to Nightcrawler, and why didn't she stick around? How did Magneto and Mystique meet? How close are they, and how devestated was she when Magneto walked away from her? Again these questions prove my point. No backround makes them unbelievable, and shallow. Why do they do some of the smaller things they do? What kind of people are they beneath the surface.

Angel/Iceman: Both are easily relateable for those who are gay.. with
iceman's coming out scene.. and both dealing with parents
dissaproval as well as there parents wanting them to change
Warren though also has the father/son issue going on
This is why didn't mention either one. These two NON-ORIGINAL movie-verse x-men got explainations, childhood scenes, familes, and reasons why they do the things they do, and why and how they got to the mansion.

Jean: Jean was always held back, she always felt left behind as if her powers
weren't strong enough, she felt like she was a risk to the team rather
then an asset. She loses control as the phoenix and is over whelmed..
her power controls her.
Yes, JEAN WAS THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE SHADOWS! Why do we know this as a fact? Because it was the one connection from X2 and X3 that was made. Xavier explained to Wolverine and Cyke that she felt left behind and in the shadow. The Phoenix HATED Xavier because of that. She never felt like a risk to the team. Again your grasping for straws. She left the plane in X2 because she felt like she was the only one who could do it. It was quiet obvious she wasn't thinking straight. Storm Iceman and Jean could have used their combinded strength and powers to hold the jet together, freeze the lake or build a damn, and use winds to fly the plane. Simple common sense she lacked at the end, it killed her and I lost the little respect I had for her. But its fixable.

Wolverine: the loner, the stubborn team mate with alot of rough ends.. but a
heart of gold, he likes to think he does things for himself.. but he
really does it because he likes to help
More straws, huh. He does it for himself. He chases Jean, not because she wants him, but to please himself. He convenently ignores how torn she is, and what it does to her realationship with Scott. Just in case you haven't noticed, he doesn't stick around, he isn't dependable, and he (not Storm) is the one who is overly emtional. He goes chasing after crap with no preparations, no plan, no team, and usually no good reason. He chased after Jean and his past, both times he came up empty because he didn't have the right information going in (numbnuts didn't bother going under in the base) and he forgot Magneto can stuff his foot up his metal behind.

Xavier: the dreamer, always believing he can over come any obstacle with
peace.. he is the martin luther king of the x-men
Finally, ya got one. But as history has showed pacifisim does work, but only haven't alot of blood is shed. Such a shame.

Magneto: scorned from his past he fears that like the nazi's the humans will eradicate those who are different. That's two straws so far. Because we know about his PERSONAL backround we can REALATE to that. See what I mean. His character makes sense on screen. Thank you for proving my point.

Rogue: she deals with the physical difference from the inside, her difference is
hidden, and she feels cursed by who she is
The cure fixed that, didn't it. Problem solved. It only took three movies. Too bad she was a boring washout to begin with.

Colossus: no development

Psylocke: no development And they will never get properly devolped. We wont see Colossus's life under the Iron Curtain, nor will we ever see Psy be a brittish ninja. Sucks.

Cyclops: little development, hes stubborn, got a temper, loves jean more
then anything, has a heart of gold, the leader of the team but out
shined by the new boy (wolverine). He falls apart with jeans death.
Yes, again with the lack of devolpment which was my point. TEMPER...where did you get that. He never showed an inkling of a personality until he told Logan to go to hell in X3. Heart of gold, really? Where? I didn't see. It's hard to tell when you get written down to nothing more than a gloried cameo who is a geek and not worthy of the main love intrest. Boooo, that sucks. I want to know why Scott was so uptight. They could tell us about the horrible life he lead on the streets, the abuse he had by Jack, or about his unaccounted for brother. Something, anything. All we get is he loves Jean, and he's the leader. That's it. YAWN!!!

So.. ya.. for the majority of the cast.. i do find them easily relateable.. I can see Iceman and Angel, but everything else had a major blah element.

maybe you just haven't experienced enough in your life

You have no idea about your last statement. So don't even go there, lets keep this on topic, the last person who tried that crap with me threw a tantrum, and made himself look like a hole.

[Uncanny]

http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_4177414

She said nothing about James Marsden at all. :(

That does not look good for Cyclops coming back. What do you guys think about this.



WOLVERINE AND X-MEN 4
Source: LA Daily News August 14, 2006

"X-Men" executive producer Lauren Shuler Donner talked to LA Daily News about X-Men 4, for which they would have to renegotiate with the bigger stars, and also Wolverine and Magneto:

"The newer cast members are signed, and the older cast members are not." Considering the older names involved -- Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, Rebecca Romijn, Famke Janssen and Anna Paquin -- that could run into a huge chunk of money.

[swifty]

they can get rid of Anna Paquin, we really don't need her useless ass.

[ljr]

Yeah we do,rogue is one of three characters who aren't dead or who could be brought back with a reasonable explaination.Plus anna would be wayyyyyyyyyy cheaper to get back than the others she never asks for major paycheacks,plus if they bring gambit in they need rogue(that was one of the reasons they left him out cause producer kevin feiger thought the fans would want to see romy and there wasn't time).And if they go with the younger members she is the only one the general public have really got to know.Not to mention the bit where thyey name the older actors is not in quote marks so I don't think it was LSD who even mentioned those names it was the journalist.

[silentforce3]

Well with no Halle no Hugh and practically no original cast members (other than Rogue) the future looks bleek talking about money it looks like Halle isn't the only one they can't afford to bring back. Cuz I remember all the whining about "halle's ego" when X3 was still in production.Hugh jackman, Famke Janssen, and Rebecca Romjin want a lot of money too.I just hope if they plan to kill off Storm it is not as ridiculus Cyclops' death. A young X men movie would be okay but with no cameos from the originals I see no success. A movie with Iceman, Kitty, Colosuss, Angel and whatever mediocre characters they add in is dumb. Psylocke is dead, Rogue is cured there were two good characters that were ruined.Gambit is the only Fanfave they haven't wasted in the previous films.

[JokerNick]

as long as Ratner isn't involved.... I'm game

[RagingTempest]

I say re-cast Halle and Hugh since they cost the most to bring back.:o

[Electrix]

I say re-cast Halle and Hugh since they cost the most to bring back.:o

They are the ones going on chat shows and bringing the money in though...

[RagingTempest]

Well, if they don't have the money to bring them back, that doesn't matter!!:confused:

[Cyrusbales]

But after X3, do we really want an X4? The way in which all the characters were changed and, well, ruined, it would be very difficult to repair the damage succesfully in a movie!
Spin offs with gambit and emma frost or something, have a look at magneto's children, but there's so much damge in X3, it's gonna be a tall order to repair it!

[BMM]

I don't find Donner to have confirmed X-Men 4. If they do decide to go ahead with X-Men 4, I say good luck. The Last Stand was very much touted as the conclusion to a now sudden trilogy. Simply tacking on a fourth film seems somewhat out of place and incredibly risky.

The Last Stand was costly, and despite its box office numbers, it isn't turning a profit like its predecessors nor is the subsequent fervor there. After X2, there was positive non-stop sequel talk speculating how quickly the third film could begin production and what multitude of arcs and characters would be used. Those days have long since passed.

Maintaining the original cast, is becoming increasingly difficult on a number of fronts. Without question, the original cast is the box office draw, but they are costly to the studio and producers have cited numerous times that they can't picture continuing the X-Men franchise without them--and rightly so. Kelsey Grammer and Vinnie Jones won't be helming anything. The studio will have to pay the big bucks to keep the original cast in an attempt to make the big bucks.

As a stand alone film, even with the original cast, X-Men 4 would be weak in conjunction with the rest of the trilogy. A fair portion of the film would be needed to undo the events of The Last Stand in a non-asinine fashion (what would be the point of The Last Stand?). Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Mystique, Rogue, and Xavier would all require explanation as well as post cure/death reaction time . . . and then what would the rest of the film be about? An inconsequential stand alone villain wouldn't work. It would most likely have to set up the events of another saga, but who would that involve? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Talk about driving up costs . . . not to mention difficult story telling. The Last Stand fails to effectively convey the two best X-Men arcs available. I would hate to see an attempt to explain anything Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister related. Their arcs are heavily wrapped in overly convoluted plots involving alternate universes, cloning, and time travel that span decades of comic book development and explanation. What would X-Men 4 be about, the ethics of cloning? It’s been done. Leave it to the Jurassic Park pictures.

X-Men 4 is a possibility, but I don’t find too many beneficial options available. Sure, the film could follow the X-kids, but this is a franchise in which audiences expect subsequent films to be bigger and better than the ones before . . . and now, under the name X-Men, that is exactly what audiences are going to be expecting (well, maybe not. The Last Stand tried to be bigger, but in doing so, I don’t think it was better . . . actually, in trying to be so big, I find that’s what made it worse). X-Men 4 would have to be bigger and much better . . . and I don’t think the X-kids are the answer for general audiences.

X-Men 4 could open a new saga with the original cast members as some have suggested, but an X-Men 4 would likely not be released until 2009 (after the spin-offs) and subsequent X-Men movies would most likely be released over a span of 4-6 years after that . . . and by that time, a fair number of the bigger named actors/characters will be pushing their 50s, 60s, and 70s (and that’s if they’re still interested . . . not to mention if audiences will even care).

I think The Last Stand did what it was intended to do--end the X-Men films for a while. I don’t think it was done in the best way, but it seems to be what the studio decided to do. FOX will release the spin-offs, and depending on their successes, who knows what will happen. If there is an X-Men 4, it will definitely be interesting to see how the studios go about doing it.

[Cyrusbales]

I don't find Donner to have confirmed X-Men 4. If they do decide to go ahead with X-Men 4, I say good luck. The Last Stand was very much touted as the conclusion to a now sudden trilogy. Simply tacking on a fourth film seems somewhat out of place and incredibly risky.

The Last Stand was costly, and despite its box office numbers, it isn't turning a profit like its predecessors nor is the subsequent fervor there. After X2, there was positive non-stop sequel talk speculating how quickly the third film could begin production and what multitude of arcs and characters would be used. Those days have long since passed.

Maintaining the original cast, is becoming increasingly difficult on a number of fronts. Without question, the original cast is the box office draw, but they are costly to the studio and producers have cited numerous times that they can't picture continuing the X-Men franchise without them--and rightly so. Kelsey Grammer and Vinnie Jones won't be helming anything. The studio will have to pay the big bucks to keep the original cast in an attempt to make the big bucks.

As a stand alone film, even with the original cast, X-Men 4 would be weak in conjunction with the rest of the trilogy. A fair portion of the film would be needed to undo the events of The Last Stand in a non-asinine fashion (what would be the point of The Last Stand?). Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Mystique, Rogue, and Xavier would all require explanation as well as post cure/death reaction time . . . and then what would the rest of the film be about? An inconsequential stand alone villain wouldn't work. It would most likely have to set up the events of another saga, but who would that involve? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Talk about driving up costs . . . not to mention difficult story telling. The Last Stand fails to effectively convey the two best X-Men arcs available. I would hate to see an attempt to explain anything Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister related. Their arcs are heavily wrapped in overly convoluted plots involving alternate universes, cloning, and time travel that span decades of comic book development and explanation. What would X-Men 4 be about, the ethics of cloning? It’s been done. Leave it to the Jurassic Park pictures.

X-Men 4 is a possibility, but I don’t find too many beneficial options available. Sure, the film could follow the X-kids, but this is a franchise in which audiences expect subsequent films to be bigger and better than the ones before . . . and now, under the name X-Men, that is exactly what audiences are going to be expecting (well, maybe not. The Last Stand tried to be bigger, but in doing so, I don’t think it was better . . . actually, in trying to be so big, I find that’s what made it worse). X-Men 4 would have to be bigger and much better . . . and I don’t think the X-kids are the answer for general audiences.

X-Men 4 could open a new saga with the original cast members as some have suggested, but an X-Men 4 would likely not be released until 2009 (after the spin-offs) and subsequent X-Men movies would most likely be released over a span of 4-6 years after that . . . and by that time, a fair number of the bigger named actors/characters will be pushing their 50s, 60s, and 70s (and that’s if they’re still interested . . . not to mention if audiences will even care).

I think The Last Stand did what it was intended to do--end the X-Men films for a while. I don’t think it was done in the best way, but it seems to be what the studio decided to do. FOX will release the spin-offs, and depending on their successes, who knows what will happen. If there is an X-Men 4, it will definitely be interesting to see how the studios go about doing it.

EEK, long post, i usually don't bother with anything over a paragraph, i'm so lazy!

[BMM]

EEK, long post, i usually don't bother with anything over a paragraph, i'm so lazy!

Haha. I know. Sorry.

[Psylocke8]

If there's gonna be an x4 bring in new mutants cause i wolud really like to see gambit and psylockehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif Also if magneto can control metal now i dont thinkl he will be bad, he did say at alcatraz " What have i done" so he might not want to be bad anymore thus ending Ian's role in the franchise of course only if Ian didn't want to come back for that reason or others. I think Ian enjoyed playing a villain and in the movie he kind of had a change of heart, defeating the purpose of magneto, a villain. Just an idea that popped into my head.

[spideyboy_1111]

[quote=spideyboy_1111] I can't believe you just said that. WTH Jean was Xavier's first student. That's one of the reasons we saw the house scene, to farther infuse the realationship between Xavier and Jean. And you accused me of not paying attention. If Scott was the first student, where is the proof, or the bond he would have formed with Magneto or Xavier, please. ummm no she wasn't scott was... the school was already open when they came to visit jean.. so no, you weren't paying attention. also rewatch X1... scott and charles had a very close bond


She had words in X3, but no reason for them. We saw her be angry about the very idea of the cure, but we have no idea why. That's because we know nothing about her past (in the movie-verse). That conversation between she and Beast just proves my point. Anger with no reason. The conversation with Kurt in X2 also proves my point. Anger with no real reason. WHY IS SHE ANGRY? What happened to her that makes her feel that way. I really want to know. You really need to know why she's angry? I think the cure speaks for itself. I would be angry if there was a cure for being gay.. or being white.. do i need anyreason other then that fact what i am is being called a disease that even needs to be cured? I agree that she does need an origin scene or something told about her past... only due to the fact that they allude to her being tormented in the past, but i think the movie was perfectly fine it just bugs you because your interested in the character and want to know

Scott loved Jean. That explains alot. He never got over her first depth, and he lost himself in the downward spiral of depression. More emtional explaination. People can relate to that. That's a given. you need more emotional explaination then the fact he was in love with jean?:confused:

See my explaination above. If you can't see how Scott never was shown going through the stages of grief properly it would explain why he shut himself off. Completly. scott had one stage of grief.. and that was shutting himself off.. thats how he delt with it..

WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS FROM? Seriously I want to know. Storm has never had problems being a leader. The conversation with Xavier actually said that. Did you even watch the movie? Xavier gave her the job as leader because she's was currently the default choice. Cyke was no good, Logan is too immature to lead a team and not very dependable, Jean was dead and even if she wasn't she wouldn't be leading the team she works as a Mutant Activist and a doctor not alot of time for tacticle stuff, and Beast didn't even work in the mansion. Where did you get the idea that she thinks she is in the shadow? WTF, because we know nothing about her,we don't know what she thinks about herself, or anything outside of her hatred for humans or the cure. Watch the series again. Talk about grasping for straws, good lord. Lol. I thought we Rolo'ers were bad. if storm never had problems with leading.. then she wouldnt have been sceptical about taking the role. She was never given the spot light, and was completely surprised and skeptical when Xavier asked her to lead... wich would also be why she asked about scott... her self confidence you could tell was a bit low in the X-movies.. in X1 she was pretty quite and you could tell that she was very frightened on the inside with her heart to heart with senator kelly, in X2 she had more but again when she opens up she opens up.. and u could see it with her convo with nightcrawler.. it would also explain where in X3 she was constantly trying to lead but constantly got walked over by wolverine still giving orders, as well as not following what she had to say.

That's all great and good. But you kinda missed a point that I was trying to prove. How did Beast become blue between X2 (with a normal looking cameo and he was a doctor) and X3 where he was a politician? Who's gave birth to Nightcrawler, and why didn't she stick around? How did Magneto and Mystique meet? How close are they, and how devestated was she when Magneto walked away from her? Again these questions prove my point. No backround makes them unbelievable, and shallow. Why do they do some of the smaller things they do? What kind of people are they beneath the surface. X2's hank was reported as ignored in X3.. there not suppose to have any connection.. they didnt intend to discuss that changes.. and just ignore it.. much like the cast changes between kitty, jubilee and pyro in the x-men movies. Mystique has her own agenda.. movie version might not even be the mother of nightcrawler.. they didnt touch on it.. but just because they didnt touch on it doesnt mean they never will... if she is his mom in the movie.. then maybe she simply didn't feel it was the time nor place, you musn't forget that there maternal bond wasn't revealed right away in the comics either. Mystique also is rumored to be in the magneto prequel.. so you might find out how they met there. and you musn't know magneto very well if you don't know why he left her... he friggin let his best friend (Xavier die) to further his cause... he cared much more for xavier then mystique.. magneto isnt going to have a human on his side.. period, ex mutant or not, friend or not, thats who he is.

This is why didn't mention either one. These two NON-ORIGINAL movie-verse x-men got explainations, childhood scenes, familes, and reasons why they do the things they do, and why and how they got to the mansion. but you don't need to know how every single character met and got there way to the mansion in order to get enough of there character development.. its a movie, not a friggin comic book

Yes, JEAN WAS THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE SHADOWS! Why do we know this as a fact? Because it was the one connection from X2 and X3 that was made. Xavier explained to Wolverine and Cyke that she felt left behind and in the shadow. The Phoenix HATED Xavier because of that. She never felt like a risk to the team. Again your grasping for straws. She left the plane in X2 because she felt like she was the only one who could do it. It was quiet obvious she wasn't thinking straight. Storm Iceman and Jean could have used their combinded strength and powers to hold the jet together, freeze the lake or build a damn, and use winds to fly the plane. Simple common sense she lacked at the end, it killed her and I lost the little respect I had for her. But its fixable. rewatch X1... she was very hesitant about her powers.. to her she had the lame and useless powers compared to her fellow teammates... She also left the plane in X2 not because she thought she could do it.. but because she knew she had to do it.. she didnt sacrafice herself to stop the wave, she sacraficed herself because her power was becoming uncontrolable and she knew what she was becoming was something she couldnt handle and feared that. And why do i know this? because 1) she had enough power to block the wave 2) had enough power to stop nightcrawler from teleporting 3) had enough power to start and fix the jet from the outsite... and 4) had enough power to get into the mind of the worlds strongest telepath and speak through him. if she could do all this from outside.. then why didnt she just start the plane before the wave hit? why? because she knew what she was becoming and knew she had to die to stop it.

More straws, huh. He does it for himself. He chases Jean, not because she wants him, but to please himself. He convenently ignores how torn she is, and what it does to her realationship with Scott. Just in case you haven't noticed, he doesn't stick around, he isn't dependable, and he (not Storm) is the one who is overly emtional. He goes chasing after crap with no preparations, no plan, no team, and usually no good reason. He chased after Jean and his past, both times he came up empty because he didn't have the right information going in (numbnuts didn't bother going under in the base) and he forgot Magneto can stuff his foot up his metal behind. i agree.. and i didnt say anything that doesnt agree with this

Finally, ya got one. But as history has showed pacifisim does work, but only haven't alot of blood is shed. Such a shame.

That's two straws so far. Because we know about his PERSONAL backround we can REALATE to that. See what I mean. His character makes sense on screen. Thank you for proving my point. i'm not trying to dissprove that point.. but what your personally wanting in one movie or 3 for that matter is insane... theres no possible way for a cast that large that you can tell the back history for every single character.. its simply impossible.. thats why you have to wait for each movie for more of another to be explained... ex. (iceman was explained in X2, and jean finally was in X3)

The cure fixed that, didn't it. Problem solved. It only took three movies. Too bad she was a boring washout to begin with. ya.. but still hoping since the cure obviously wasnt perminant... that shes going to accidently kill someone when her power turns back on... and becomes a tad more like the rogue we know and love

And they will never get properly devolped. We wont see Colossus's life under the Iron Curtain, nor will we ever see Psy be a brittish ninja. Sucks. of course not.. The iron curtain ended way before colossus was even born in the movies... hes not russian.. and pyro isnt australian... unless of course they lost there accents. plus.. do you know how complicated the real story of psylocke is? bit too much for the audience considering many of them don't even understand xaviers mind swap.

Yes, again with the lack of devolpment which was my point. TEMPER...where did you get that. He never showed an inkling of a personality until he told Logan to go to hell in X3. Heart of gold, really? Where? I didn't see. It's hard to tell when you get written down to nothing more than a gloried cameo who is a geek and not worthy of the main love intrest. Boooo, that sucks. I want to know why Scott was so uptight. They could tell us about the horrible life he lead on the streets, the abuse he had by Jack, or about his unaccounted for brother. Something, anything. All we get is he loves Jean, and he's the leader. That's it. YAWN!!! ya and they should.. and they still can you just have to be patient for more development

I can see Iceman and Angel, but everything else had a major blah element. maybe to you.. but to me all there scenes had alot of power to them in my eyes

You have no idea about your last statement. So don't even go there, lets keep this on topic, the last person who tried that crap with me threw a tantrum, and made himself look like a hole. o really? personally i just think your really wracking yourself with mixing comic and movie... do you see people asking about Hansolo's past and why he acts the way he does in the star wars movies? no.. they accept it. because its who he is and they dont need a back story for it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well with no Halle no Hugh and practically no original cast members (other than Rogue) the future looks bleek talking about money it looks like Halle isn't the only one they can't afford to bring back. Cuz I remember all the whining about "halle's ego" when X3 was still in production.Hugh jackman, Famke Janssen, and Rebecca Romjin want a lot of money too.I just hope if they plan to kill off Storm it is not as ridiculus Cyclops' death. A young X men movie would be okay but with no cameos from the originals I see no success. A movie with Iceman, Kitty, Colosuss, Angel and whatever mediocre characters they add in is dumb. Psylocke is dead, Rogue is cured there were two good characters that were ruined.Gambit is the only Fanfave they haven't wasted in the previous films.
ok first off they didnt say they wouldnt be able to bring them back.. and 2nd.. they didnt say all would be coming back.. James would come back hell he offered to do X3 for free. Halle also doenst want anyone else playing storm.. Famke doesnt need to come back.. shes dead.. if anything it should be a cameo... rebecca doesnt really neeeed to come back.. but id like her to. and hugh.. well sadly he has to, but the movies could use less wolverine imo

[spideyboy_1111]

But after X3, do we really want an X4? The way in which all the characters were changed and, well, ruined, it would be very difficult to repair the damage succesfully in a movie!
Spin offs with gambit and emma frost or something, have a look at magneto's children, but there's so much damge in X3, it's gonna be a tall order to repair it!
who the hell changed?

magneto: cured (but the cure is wearing off) (good)

storm: team leader, more confident (good change)

scott: dead.. or is he? (bring him back) (possibe good option if he's still alive)

jean: dead (she should stay dead for a movie) (good or bad.. either way.. phoenix always returns)

Mystique: cured (or is she since the cure doesnt seem to last?) (good change, now she has a chance to go rogue and do her own thing and not take orders like the independant mystique we know.)

rogue: (or is she since the cure doesnt seem to last?) (good change imo... have her get close to someone.. and when she does.. her power snaps on killing them and she drains there power perminantly)

iceman: can now ice his whole body up.. acts more cocky, and stands up for himself (great change)

Xavier: new body + moira relationship (new body.. bad, moira good)

Wolverine: loner (good)

Pyro: more of a bad ass.. (good)

sooo im not seeing that many bad changes... and hardly anything that needs repaired... just bring scott back.. and have xavier some how look like his old self

[RedIsNotBlue]

It's not really surprising I have been saying it forever. X3's box office pretty much guarantees an X4 the only real question is when. Fox loves money and X-Men is still making it. It's gonna be really hard to get back all of the original cast though.

[Psylocke8]

If she said the newer actors were signed that means new. I guess Angel is still new and Mei Melancon said she signged for two movies but she said she dosent kknow if they are gonna bring her back yet. And even if there was a new mutants signed they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone because they havent even talked about really yet at all, and for actors who are coming back and then blurtuing it out would make everyone think that their might be an x4 and then it just ends up like " we arent gonna have one" Getting all of our hopes up:( :mad:

[spideyboy_1111]

If she said the newer actors were signed that means new. I guess Angel is still new and Mei Melancon said she signged for two movies but she said she dosent kknow if they are gonna bring her back yet. And even if there was a new mutants signed they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone because they havent even talked about really yet at all, and for actors who are coming back and then blurtuing it out would make everyone think that their might be an x4 and then it just ends up like " we arent gonna have one" Getting all of our hopes up:( :mad:
by new mutants she means new as in X3 new.. there not positive if there making X4 yet so there not going to be signing on mystery actors for roles

[Psylocke8]

^ New actors could be both x3 characters and new new chararcters. They would proably have gambit and perhaps Psylocke

[spideyboy_1111]

^ New actors could be both x3 characters and new new chararcters. They would proably have gambit and perhaps Psylocke


no... there not going to have new charcters signed when they dont even know if X4 is happening, only pre-existing new ones would be signed... incase X4 was to happen.. not the other way around, because thats not how the movie industry works, no BRAND NEW casting would be casted until the project is green lit, wich it isnt

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah X4 is just there for them to do when they feel like it I seriously doubt there are doing any kind of contracts or anything like that. Trust me they will do it but when is what we wanna know. :)

[Psylocke8]

^^no no no no that's not what i meant. I mean when or if they do confirm it there is bound to be at least one new character. Basically what you said they wont confirm anyone now i know already.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If there is a fourth don't let the same writing team come back for it. I don't think Ratner had a problem directing the picture, but the writers tried to compile everything from this comic and that comic and than alot of the newer characters seem to just enter and then exit out of scenes too fast and the villains just seemed like a group of punk-rockers who just seemed to join up with Magneto because he was a "rebel."

[spideyboy_1111]

^^no no no no that's not what i meant. I mean when or if they do confirm it there is bound to be at least one new character. Basically what you said they wont confirm anyone now i know already.
well.. umm... isnt that obvious? every new x-men movie would have at least 2 new mutants... and gambits the front runner...

[spideyboy_1111]

If there is a fourth don't let the same writing team come back for it. I don't think Ratner had a problem directing the picture, but the writers tried to compile everything from this comic and that comic and than alot of the newer characters seem to just enter and then exit out of scenes too fast and the villains just seemed like a group of punk-rockers who just seemed to join up with Magneto because he was a "rebel."
it wasnt the writers.. one Zak Penn wrote X2 as well.. and it rocked.. it was the time, budget, and fox.. not the writers

[NinjaTurtleFan]

it wasnt the writers.. one Zak Penn wrote X2 as well.. and it rocked.. it was the time, budget, and fox.. not the writers

Well yes Zak Penn is a terrific writer, but the problem is with all the movies they can't seem to give equal amounts of screentime to each and everyone of the characters. Angel was just "I'm here, than I'm not, and now here I am again." And everytime I looked at Ben Foster playing him I was reminded of Spacker Dave whom he played in "The Punisher."

Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men 3" and thought it was better than 1, but 2 will always remain the best of the trilogy.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well yes Zak Penn is a terrific writer, but the problem is with all the movies they can't seem to give equal amounts of screentime to each and everyone of the characters. Angel was just "I'm here, than I'm not, and now here I am again." And everytime I looked at Ben Foster playing him I was reminded of Spacker Dave whom he played in "The Punisher."

Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men 3" and thought it was better than 1, but 2 will always remain the best of the trilogy.

well hate to break it to you, but you cant give everyone the same amount of screen time.. some people push the story forward.. and others dont. every X-men (not villain) other then colossus had a purpose that pushed the plot of X3 further... Angel's plots were one of the most powerful plots in the movies.. so ya, he wasn't in the movie much.. but the scenes he had were very heavy... as well scotts

[Psylocke8]

well.. umm... isnt that obvious? every new x-men movie would have at least 2 new mutants... and gambits the front runner...


yeah gambit and i reallly hope Psylocke.:)

[ProfeZZor X]

Well with no Halle no Hugh and practically no original cast members (other than Rogue) the future looks bleek talking about money it looks like Halle isn't the only one they can't afford to bring back. Cuz I remember all the whining about "halle's ego" when X3 was still in production.Hugh jackman, Famke Janssen, and Rebecca Romjin want a lot of money too.I just hope if they plan to kill off Storm it is not as ridiculus Cyclops' death. A young X men movie would be okay but with no cameos from the originals I see no success. A movie with Iceman, Kitty, Colosuss, Angel and whatever mediocre characters they add in is dumb. Psylocke is dead, Rogue is cured there were two good characters that were ruined.Gambit is the only Fanfave they haven't wasted in the previous films.

And how on God's green earth do you figure the movie will suck with these characters? This opportunity could open a whole new door for this franchise. Just because fans of the other (dead) characters don't get a chance to see their favorites on screen, doesn't mean the movie will be a flop. This is a chance for the remaining younger characters to prove themselves as X-Men, under the leadership of Storm, and also introduce some of the other characters not featured before.

Such as: Havok to replace Cyclops, Gambit to replace to Wolverine, Dazzler to replace Jean, and possibly Polaris to replace Storm. Maybe even add in a little extra "color" besides Storm, like Bishop (but his story explained in modern terms).

It might be cost effective for the Studio to introduce these newer characters and give them a two movie deal, rather than pay for the older and more experienced actors. Besides, there's nothing about this movie that coincides with the comic book, so it's easier to get away with a motley crue of mutants on the X-Team.

[Cosmic Mind]

that could work, but they still need to solve the plot holes left by X3 to go on on a new story....

[genufine]

And how on God's green earth do you figure the movie will suck with these characters? This opportunity could open a whole new door for this franchise. Just because fans of the other (dead) characters don't get a chance to see their favorites on screen, doesn't mean the movie will be a flop. This is a chance for the remaining younger characters to prove themselves as X-Men, under the leadership of Storm, and also introduce some of the other characters not featured before.

Such as: Havok to replace Cyclops, Gambit to replace to Wolverine, Dazzler to replace Jean, and possibly Polaris to replace Storm. Maybe even add in a little extra "color" besides Storm, like Bishop (but his story explained in modern terms).

It might be cost effective for the Studio to introduce these newer characters and give them a two movie deal, rather than pay for the older and more experienced actors. Besides, there's nothing about this movie that coincides with the comic book, so it's easier to get away with a motley crue of mutants on the X-Team.

This is honestly the very same reason, Hollywood execs dont give a sh't about you. You really talk non-sense, do you know that? Do you REALLY in your right mind believe that an X-men movie with COLOSSUS, ROGUE, KITTY etc will succeed? Honestly.

If you answered yes. Dont even bother reading what I have to say next.

X-men, Spiderman, Superman all these movies dont give a rat *** about comic continuity or comic fans. They care about Revenue - Expenese = Profit. There is MORE revenue appealing to the LARGER movie market - which are NOT the comic readers. The general movie audience does not give a sh't about the younger generation. You'll get them cheering for the main guys - the guys who have always had exposure since the cartoons.

The only idea I can give you is GAMBIT replacing Wolverine. Even that idea, would be a very 50/50 risk. Havok? Who in the right PUBLIC audience has heard or cares about Havok? And if you say Cyclops was no better. Think again, Fox knows how much influence cyclops has, thats why he is ALWAYS involved in the marketing no matter how small the role. Dazzler -pshh.

Do me a favor, and NEVER write to movie execs or post your ideas publicly. You points just fade out genuine points made by true fans who want to see genuine continuity of stories as well as profit earned to those who deserve it.

And yes, quote me, make a new x-men movie with NEW YOUNG X-MEN, the movie is a GUARANTEED flop.

[Cyrusbales]

One of the only comic book movies that cared about fans was Hellboy, and that had to comprimise between the director(fan) and the producer(money maker, booo).

[genufine]

I've been saying this before. But one thing I'd definately like to see in X4 would be Cyke VS Wolverine! Thats something comic fans and movie go-ers definately want to see - even a 5 minute fight.

That could be their secondary marketing (internal conflict between Xmen). The first marketing is obviously the main villain.

I also think Sinister should have a trilogy too. With Apocalypse being the third one in the trilogy.

[spideyboy_1111]

that could work, but they still need to solve the plot holes left by X3 to go on on a new story....
What plot holes.. tell me and i guarantee you i can solve it

[Psylocke8]

What plot holes.. tell me and i guarantee you i can solve it


I think he means Xaviers body who's in it? Will he ever come back?
Magneto will he bad again? Does the cure really work or is it invulentary?
If the cure usnt pemanent will rogue stay at the mansion afraa=id of hurting others? Is the government trusting mutants now? Will the government try another way to get rid of muttants? Juggs and Pyro and all of the bad mutants who escaped will they form a terrrost group? Were the Worthington labs destroyed? Beast? Will Scott return? The plotholes are almost endless.

[spideyboy_1111]

I think he means Xaviers body who's in it? Will he ever come back?
Magneto will he bad again? Does the cure really work or is it invulentary?
If the cure usnt pemanent will rogue stay at the mansion afraa=id of hurting others? Is the government trusting mutants now? Will the government try another way to get rid of muttants? Juggs and Pyro and all of the bad mutants who escaped will they form a terrrost group? Were the Worthington labs destroyed? Beast? Will Scott return? The plotholes are almost endless.

Xavier's body swap is not a plot hole... its a cliff hanger as is the Cure's life span...

Plot holes are something in a movie wich happens that no one knows why, it isnt explained and its out of place... if stuff like that happens at the end.. its a cliff hanger. HUGE difference... because cliffangers (like jeans death, and "the war") were X2 cliffhangers that were resolved in X3... and both the body swap and the cure not becoming perminant are cliffhangers that will be answered in the next movie.

infact, all of what you stated are cliff hangers.. not plot holes...

[spideyboy_1111]

if anything was a plot hole in X3, it was how did angel get from the east coast to the west coast so fast... Penn said it was due to him stowing away on the X-jet.. but that wasn't shown, so its a plot hole..

[Taiwarriorz21]

I like all the characters except Anna that plays "Rogue". Xavier, Cyclops, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Pyro, Phoenix, Beast, Angel were all good. IDK Why people gotta have to act like they know someone that would protray a character better than the actor that is already. Have you met any of those that you have to have play the part? No...Leave the decision makin to the directors! They know what their doin. THey do all the hiring and I think they can handle the task that is at hand. They're professionals and you're not! Hugh Jackman does Wolverine JUSTICE! Story CLOSED....Nightcrawler needs to come back. Gambit, and new x-men need to be added. Bigger Villians that Ian McKellen need to be added into the franchise like Mr. Sinister, and Apocalypse. :marv::up::up:

[spideyboy_1111]

what are you talking about? lol no ones dissing the actors

[Psylocke8]

^ But cliffhangers or whatever are still impotant people can just leave that there and say we wont have any x4.


Proessor X body swap nobody has anyu idea about so whatever anybody says it is just an opinion It could go anywhere. Why did Xavier choose that body? Nobody knows why. This could go on and on until an x4 comes out or more information is released

[ProfeZZor X]

I've been saying this before. But one thing I'd definately like to see in X4 would be Cyke VS Wolverine! Thats something comic fans and movie go-ers definately want to see - even a 5 minute fight.

That could be their secondary marketing (internal conflict between Xmen). The first marketing is obviously the main villain.

I also think Sinister should have a trilogy too. With Apocalypse being the third one in the trilogy.

Those are the most idiotic ideas ever.

Reason #1... Cyclops is already dead...No fight... End of story.

Reason #1A... Even if Cyke was alive and Wolverine gutted him, there's no more Cyke for the next movie for him to support the next idiotic idea you listed in Reason #2. Wolverine also gets kicked off the team (Ever think of that?)... Yeah, great way to destroy two of the movie's main characters buddy. That idea is no better that what the producers came up with for the X3 story.

Reason #2... Why should anyone give a flying #&@% about three Mr. Sinister movies? And what the hell could he possibly offer that would take three movies to explain? ... " Oh look at me, I have evil intentions, and I can splice genes"... I believe the movie "Island Of Dr. Moreau" took only one movie to explain.

Reason #3... How the bloody hell are you going to explain the creation and back story of Apocalypse in a modern day movie, AND have him destroyed by the end of that movie? ... Yeah, that's studio money put to good use.

You really need to think about what you're saying before you open your mouth. Because what you're suggesting makes about as much sense as Milligan and Austen's run.

[Drago]

yes, well you dont sign actors for nothing now do you?
she stated, clearly, that they have signed actors...


Toad, Sabretooth, and Lady Deathstrike were all signed for 3 picture deals I believe.

I think an X4 is coming- you don't need Jackman for that since he's got his own spinoffs now... you need to sign Halle again (god.. what a process that's gonna be..), and depending on how you play it out, sign Anna again.

[Cyrusbales]

I like all the characters except Anna that plays "Rogue". Xavier, Cyclops, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Pyro, Phoenix, Beast, Angel were all good. IDK Why people gotta have to act like they know someone that would protray a character better than the actor that is already. Have you met any of those that you have to have play the part? No...Leave the decision makin to the directors! They know what their doin. THey do all the hiring and I think they can handle the task that is at hand. They're professionals and you're not! Hugh Jackman does Wolverine JUSTICE! Story CLOSED....Nightcrawler needs to come back. Gambit, and new x-men need to be added. Bigger Villians that Ian McKellen need to be added into the franchise like Mr. Sinister, and Apocalypse. :marv::up::up:


fair enuff, the actors had some shabby writing to work with, but pyro was so terrible in X3, with his fight with bobby, who was also poor, and actually I am a indie film director, so I HAVE met actors who would do a better job, so I think even by your tight rules, I am free to comment on the poor acting quality:), thanks!

[MaleRogue]

I like all the characters except Anna that plays "Rogue". Xavier, Cyclops, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Pyro, Phoenix, Beast, Angel were all good. IDK Why people gotta have to act like they know someone that would protray a character better than the actor that is already. Have you met any of those that you have to have play the part? No...Leave the decision makin to the directors! They know what their doin. THey do all the hiring and I think they can handle the task that is at hand. They're professionals and you're not! Hugh Jackman does Wolverine JUSTICE! Story CLOSED....Nightcrawler needs to come back. Gambit, and new x-men need to be added. Bigger Villians that Ian McKellen need to be added into the franchise like Mr. Sinister, and Apocalypse. :marv::up::up:



Rogue is the best one of all
Wolverine sucks because he is full of ****

[spideyboy_1111]

^ But cliffhangers or whatever are still impotant people can just leave that there and say we wont have any x4.


Proessor X body swap nobody has anyu idea about so whatever anybody says it is just an opinion It could go anywhere. Why did Xavier choose that body? Nobody knows why. This could go on and on until an x4 comes out or more information is released

*my head hurts...*

can i ask how old you are? because you completely arn't understanding what i'm talking about... either that or not wording what you mean correctly. Again, everything you have stated, is a cliff hanger, not a plot hole. All of wich would be answered in the next installment.. whether its a sequal... or spinoff. Also.. alot of audience members never even saw the after the credits scene due to them getting up and leaving... and those who did.. who didn't understand... if they care enough, would rewatch the movie and notice plainly.. that theres the scene with Xavier teaching the class explaining exactly what he did. We also dont need to know who the body was persay.. because its just a random human (unless its explained in a future movie) that is brain dead... and unable to live a consious life off of a medical bed (wich was explained when xavier taught the class)

[spideyboy_1111]

Those are the most idiotic ideas ever.

Reason #1... Cyclops is already dead...No fight... End of story.

Reason #1A... Even if Cyke was alive and Wolverine gutted him, there's no more Cyke for the next movie for him to support the next idiotic idea you listed in Reason #2. Wolverine also gets kicked off the team (Ever think of that?)... Yeah, great way to destroy two of the movie's main characters buddy. That idea is no better that what the producers came up with for the X3 story.

Reason #2... Why should anyone give a flying #&@% about three Mr. Sinister movies? And what the hell could he possibly offer that would take three movies to explain? ... " Oh look at me, I have evil intentions, and I can splice genes"... I believe the movie "Island Of Dr. Moreau" took only one movie to explain.

Reason #3... How the bloody hell are you going to explain the creation and back story of Apocalypse in a modern day movie, AND have him destroyed by the end of that movie? ... Yeah, that's studio money put to good use.

You really need to think about what you're saying before you open your mouth. Because what you're suggesting makes about as much sense as Milligan and Austen's run.


ok 1) your being way too harsh...

2) no on screen death means there's a huge chance they could apt to
bring him back

3) Cyke and Wolvie have fought many a times in the comics... Wolverine doesnt have to "gut him" i suggest reading Astonishing X-men #1 for a good example. He also wouldnt have to be kicked off the team.. wich also didnt

4) OK.... well as i dont think there should be 3 sinister movies... he should have one. and you sound really imature btw...:rolleyes:

5) Apocaypse though.. i dont think would work in the movie verse.. thats why i would be ok with just a nod from him... maybe sinister creates the horsemen and calls it "project apocalypse" or something..

6) and finally, you have no room to talk about opening ones mouth before they speak :) you just proved that.

[Psylocke8]

*my head hurts...*

can i ask how old you are? because you completely arn't understanding what i'm talking about... either that or not wording what you mean correctly. Again, everything you have stated, is a cliff hanger, not a plot hole. All of wich would be answered in the next installment.. whether its a sequal... or spinoff. Also.. alot of audience members never even saw the after the credits scene due to them getting up and leaving... and those who did.. who didn't understand... if they care enough, would rewatch the movie and notice plainly.. that theres the scene with Xavier teaching the class explaining exactly what he did. We also dont need to know who the body was persay.. because its just a random human (unless its explained in a future movie) that is brain dead... and unable to live a consious life off of a medical bed (wich was explained when xavier taught the class)'


WOW........ two minds really dont think alike. People wonder abot diffrent things. This a really stupid thing to be arguing about.
* Grabs advil* God....

[Mike059jig]

Whateva she clearly trying to keep the fans optimistic just like Kenberg and penn on the Xverse forX3...They ain't gonna be an X4 Fox already said No...I and Pray that they're aren't any movies...cause all three movies buried the hatchet that the X-men are only guranteed to survive in the media not of a team aspect but of one character...its already starting with his movie coming and his cartoon

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

yes, well you dont sign actors for nothing now do you?
she stated, clearly, that they have signed actors...
there will be an x4...
they obviously havent decided wether they want a new bred or not, wich is easy to see why i mean the previous cast would be easier to generate money from as its easily recognisable and are the staple characters... new actors could represent a slide in profits maybe...
we will just have to wait and see
Yeah? They also signed Peter Mayhew one for a Starwars 7, but you don't see that happening do you?

[genufine]

Those are the most idiotic ideas ever.

Reason #1... Cyclops is already dead...No fight... End of story.

Reason #1A... Even if Cyke was alive and Wolverine gutted him, there's no more Cyke for the next movie for him to support the next idiotic idea you listed in Reason #2. Wolverine also gets kicked off the team (Ever think of that?)... Yeah, great way to destroy two of the movie's main characters buddy. That idea is no better that what the producers came up with for the X3 story.

Reason #2... Why should anyone give a flying #&@% about three Mr. Sinister movies? And what the hell could he possibly offer that would take three movies to explain? ... " Oh look at me, I have evil intentions, and I can splice genes"... I believe the movie "Island Of Dr. Moreau" took only one movie to explain.

Reason #3... How the bloody hell are you going to explain the creation and back story of Apocalypse in a modern day movie, AND have him destroyed by the end of that movie? ... Yeah, that's studio money put to good use.

You really need to think about what you're saying before you open your mouth. Because what you're suggesting makes about as much sense as Milligan and Austen's run.

Those are the most idiotic ideas ever? This guys is pretty sour. What are you like - 11? You are obviously losing more reputation as you keep posting - so keep going.

Anyways, #1 - Do you think Cyclops and Wolverine have never fought before in the comics? You OBVIOUSLY dont know much about them fighting so I suggest you shut your mouth. AoA, Ultimate, and other comics have shown this. It would never end with Wolverine gutting cyke - another reason to show your limited reasoning. oh and btw he isnt dead - believe it.

#2 - Why would anyone give a flying rats A$$ about Magneto in three movies. Now your limited reasoning is going to say it as Stryker in X2, but Sinister being the main villain for another trilogy was the same concept as Magneto being the same villain for the first trilogy. Apocalypse can be introduced as a cliffhanger in the 2nd movie.

#3 - Simple. X3 was able to do a CURE, PHOENIX, tons of new characters, small plot holes (kitty/iceman/rogue) and other things. Dont you think with better writers they could do this?

Finally, I suggest you post. I like to see you're comebacks. I actually do enjoy it. Now why dont you think a bit more mr. Professor. LOL!

ok 1) your being way too harsh...

2) no on screen death means there's a huge chance they could apt to
bring him back

3) Cyke and Wolvie have fought many a times in the comics... Wolverine doesnt have to "gut him" i suggest reading Astonishing X-men #1 for a good example. He also wouldnt have to be kicked off the team.. wich also didnt

4) OK.... well as i dont think there should be 3 sinister movies... he should have one. and you sound really imature btw...:rolleyes:

5) Apocaypse though.. i dont think would work in the movie verse.. thats why i would be ok with just a nod from him... maybe sinister creates the horsemen and calls it "project apocalypse" or something..

6) and finally, you have no room to talk about opening ones mouth before they speak :) you just proved that.

1 - Not harsh, lol. Hes actually just dissing himself.
2 - Agreed. My point exactly.
3 - He wouldnt know.
4 - Sinister one movie would be too small. I think he needs to be the main villain and start something on Apocalype by mid #2 movie. And as for the immature comment, again hes only dissing himself.
5 - I think Apocalypse will work. I just think they will twist it a bit( ie. phoenix and personality disorder). Something like making wolverine part of the horsemen or some stuff like that.
6) Hes proving alot of things to everyone here ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

Those are the most idiotic ideas ever? This guys is pretty sour. What are you like - 11? You are obviously losing more reputation as you keep posting - so keep going.

Anyways, #1 - Do you think Cyclops and Wolverine have never fought before in the comics? You OBVIOUSLY dont know much about them fighting so I suggest you shut your mouth. AoA, Ultimate, and other comics have shown this. It would never end with Wolverine gutting cyke - another reason to show your limited reasoning. oh and btw he isnt dead - believe it.

#2 - Why would anyone give a flying rats A$$ about Magneto in three movies. Now your limited reasoning is going to say it as Stryker in X2, but Sinister being the main villain for another trilogy was the same concept as Magneto being the same villain for the first trilogy. Apocalypse can be introduced as a cliffhanger in the 2nd movie.

#3 - Simple. X3 was able to do a CURE, PHOENIX, tons of new characters, small plot holes (kitty/iceman/rogue) and other things. Dont you think with better writers they could do this?

Finally, I suggest you post. I like to see you're comebacks. I actually do enjoy it. Now why dont you think a bit more mr. Professor. LOL!



1 - Not harsh, lol. Hes actually just dissing himself.
2 - Agreed. My point exactly.
3 - He wouldnt know.
4 - Sinister one movie would be too small. I think he needs to be the main villain and start something on Apocalype by mid #2 movie. And as for the immature comment, again hes only dissing himself.
5 - I think Apocalypse will work. I just think they will twist it a bit( ie. phoenix and personality disorder). Something like making wolverine part of the horsemen or some stuff like that.
6) Hes proving alot of things to everyone here ;)

I'd be more than happy to provide you with a rebuttal, my overconfident and presumptuous posting pal. And for your information, I’ve been in enough confrontations in this forum to hold my own. Whether or not anyone cares about my “reputation” is inconsequential, as the fact remains that I still get my point across. There are hundreds of people in this forum that post things others may or may not like. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or don’t respond. Which brings us back to my original post in this thread.

If you’re going post something that starts off with: “Don’t even bother reading what I have to say next”, don’t cower behind any justification or validation that you were right and I was incorrect, because I expressed my opinions of what should naturally happen next. Then, accuse me of being immature for responding in the same manner in which you did. Before you make an accusation like that, be sure you know what you’re talking about and get a dictionary so you can understand the concept of free speech.

It’s people like you that kill off franchises like this with your poignant and jaded perceptions of a perfect fan boy’s film, with complex characters that are too difficult for the GENERAL PUBLIC to understand. They are a waste of everyone’s energy, not to mention the studio’s money to appeal to fan boys like you. These movies aren’t made for you; they’re made with the intent to appeal to the GENERAL AUDIENCE, that’s already familiarized themselves with the existing characters and fundamental universe they live in.


And as a bonus, I would be more than happy to grant you a retort on your earlier comments:

1) From a filmmaker’s standpoint, it makes no sense to have two of the main characters engaged in a physical confrontation. The rivalry that translates onscreen through verbal retaliations is enough to lead the audience into thinking there is something there, but considering they're both trying to win the affection of one woman, it utterly makes no sense for them to fight over her. Especially when it takes away from the concept of the movie... Mutants uniting.

2) Not that I would have preferred Magneto to be in all three movies, let alone Stryker in the second one, having to introduce another villain is too much of a gamble for the studio, since the GENERAL AUDIENCE is already use to this character (Magneto) from the first two movies. Plus, with the studio’s precognitive intent on ending this series with this third movie, “The LAST stand”, the actor’s contract, and other legal obligations were probably another determining factor. Not only that, but Fox shot itself in the foot by killing off some of the main characters, which ties into the whole “Sinister” plot in the first place.

3) As clichéd as it would be for a villain (Magneto) to “awake” an ancient and more powerful foe to aid in his fight against humans (Apocalypse), and advance a homo-superior nation, it simply doesn’t fall within the pre-established realities for this movie universe. That’s like bringing in “Indiana Jones” elements into a Star Wars movie.

And lastly…

… "Wolverine as part of the Horseman, and stuff like that”… When you have any iota of thought to realize how stupid that concept is, get back with me.

[Psylocke8]

^I hear ya espically for the top part.

[Cyrusbales]

I'd be more than happy to provide you with a rebuttal, my overconfident and presumptuous posting pal. And for your information, I’ve been in enough confrontations in this forum to hold my own. Whether or not anyone cares about my “reputation” is inconsequential, as the fact remains that I still get my point across. There are hundreds of people in this forum that post things others may or may not like. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or don’t respond. Which brings us back to my original post in this thread.

If you’re going post something that starts off with: “Don’t even bother reading what I have to say next”, don’t cower behind any justification or validation that you were right and I was incorrect, because I expressed my opinions of what should naturally happen next. Then, accuse me of being immature for responding in the same manner in which you did. Before you make an accusation like that, be sure you know what you’re talking about and get a dictionary so you can understand the concept of free speech.

It’s people like you that kill off franchises like this with your poignant and jaded perceptions of a perfect fan boy’s film, with complex characters that are too difficult for the GENERAL PUBLIC to understand. They are a waste of everyone’s energy, not to mention the studio’s money to appeal to fan boys like you. These movies aren’t made for you; they’re made with the intent to appeal to the GENERAL AUDIENCE, that’s already familiarized themselves with the existing characters and fundamental universe they live in.


And as a bonus, I would be more than happy to grant you a retort on your earlier comments:

1) From a filmmaker’s standpoint, it makes no sense to have two of the main characters engaged in a physical confrontation. The rivalry that translates onscreen through verbal retaliations is enough to lead the audience into thinking there is something there, but considering they're both trying to win the affection of one woman, it utterly makes no sense for them to fight over her. Especially when it takes away from the concept of the movie... Mutants uniting.

2) Not that I would have preferred Magneto to be in all three movies, let alone Stryker in the second one, having to introduce another villain is too much of a gamble for the studio, since the GENERAL AUDIENCE is already use to this character (Magneto) from the first two movies. Plus, with the studio’s precognitive intent on ending this series with this third movie, “The LAST stand”, the actor’s contract, and other legal obligations were probably another determining factor. Not only that, but Fox shot itself in the foot by killing off some of the main characters, which ties into the whole “Sinister” plot in the first place.

3) As clichéd as it would be for a villain (Magneto) to “awake” an ancient and more powerful foe to aid in his fight against humans (Apocalypse), and advance a homo-superior nation, it simply doesn’t fall within the pre-established realities for this movie universe. That’s like bringing in “Indiana Jones” elements into a Star Wars movie.

And lastly…

… "Wolverine as part of the Horseman, and stuff like that”… When you have any iota of thought to realize how stupid that concept is, get back with me.

I mostly agree, but wolverine was Apocalypses horseman death once.
Alos they made enough money on X-3 that they could probably get away with another villain, but they'd need a tighter director to head it up.

[ProfeZZor X]

I mostly agree, but wolverine was Apocalypses horseman death once.
Alos they made enough money on X-3 that they could probably get away with another villain, but they'd need a tighter director to head it up.

Nothing against you personally, but consider this.... The movie is a far cry from the comic book. We can all agree upon that. Bringing in elements and characters to an already existing comic book movie universe is suicide.

When people view comic book movies, they have a sense of grounded reality. Why do you think so many of them have all these scientific explanations (i.e. Doc Ock, The Hulk, Spiderman, Daredevil). And when you start getting into Pharoahs, gene splicing evil genius', and other unbelieveable elements in a movie that mostly has a lot of high-tech gadgetry (X-Jet, Cerebro), you loose the credibility of the existing material (in the film).

Almost like "Jumping the Shark", like in that Happy Days tv show.

[Cyrusbales]

Nothing against you personally, but consider this.... The movie is a far cry from the comic book. We can all agree upon that. Bringing in elements and characters to an already existing comic book movie universe is suicide.

When people view comic book movies, they have a sense of grounded reality. Why do you think so many of them have all these scientific explanations (i.e. Doc Ock, The Hulk, Spiderman, Daredevil). And when you start getting into Pharoahs, gene splicing evil genius', and other unbelieveable elements in a movie that mostly has a lot of high-tech gadgetry (X-Jet, Cerebro), you loose the credibility of the existing material (in the film).

Almost like "Jumping the Shark", like in that Happy Days tv show.

i agree, although a mysterious ultimate apocalypse sort of character could work, more of a sinister voice that influences people and turns wolverine etc, into his henchmen. It would be possible to get apocalypse, although i agree it would be a little bit of effort!

[ProfeZZor X]

i agree, although a mysterious ultimate apocalypse sort of character could work, more of a sinister voice that influences people and turns wolverine etc, into his henchmen. It would be possible to get apocalypse, although i agree it would be a little bit of effort!

Introducing Apocalypse is way too complicated to introduce into this movie universe without modernizing him into a wealthy Egyptian business man into bio-genetics, and having Sinister as his chief science advisor..... It's possible. Especially if Apocalypse was conducting mutant experiments (into his horsemen), and the X-Men caught wind of his wrong doings.

Although with Wolverine in his own movie, why bother making him the star again. Let the kiddies have their screen time now (Iceman, Kitty, Rogue, Angel, Colossus), and bring in other popular X-Men that haven't made it to the big screen, or had enough screen time (Beast).

[Cyrusbales]

I hate the little kiddies though, especially ice-man and kitty

[ProfeZZor X]

I hate the little kiddies though, especially ice-man and kitty

Well then, what's the point of making another sequel movie if you don't include someone from those three movies? ... It's utterly pointless.

...Why, because the general audience that saw the other movies will wonder what happened to them in X4. And to give a crappy explanation that they were killed off defeats the purpose of an X-Men movie. These characters are here to stay, not to be passed around like a prostitute in an all male prison.

[genufine]

I'd be more than happy to provide you with a rebuttal, my overconfident and presumptuous posting pal. And for your information, I’ve been in enough confrontations in this forum to hold my own. Whether or not anyone cares about my “reputation” is inconsequential, as the fact remains that I still get my point across. There are hundreds of people in this forum that post things others may or may not like. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or don’t respond. Which brings us back to my original post in this thread.

If you’re going post something that starts off with: “Don’t even bother reading what I have to say next”, don’t cower behind any justification or validation that you were right and I was incorrect, because I expressed my opinions of what should naturally happen next. Then, accuse me of being immature for responding in the same manner in which you did. Before you make an accusation like that, be sure you know what you’re talking about and get a dictionary so you can understand the concept of free speech.

It’s people like you that kill off franchises like this with your poignant and jaded perceptions of a perfect fan boy’s film, with complex characters that are too difficult for the GENERAL PUBLIC to understand. They are a waste of everyone’s energy, not to mention the studio’s money to appeal to fan boys like you. These movies aren’t made for you; they’re made with the intent to appeal to the GENERAL AUDIENCE, that’s already familiarized themselves with the existing characters and fundamental universe they live in.


And as a bonus, I would be more than happy to grant you a retort on your earlier comments:

1) From a filmmaker’s standpoint, it makes no sense to have two of the main characters engaged in a physical confrontation. The rivalry that translates onscreen through verbal retaliations is enough to lead the audience into thinking there is something there, but considering they're both trying to win the affection of one woman, it utterly makes no sense for them to fight over her. Especially when it takes away from the concept of the movie... Mutants uniting.

2) Not that I would have preferred Magneto to be in all three movies, let alone Stryker in the second one, having to introduce another villain is too much of a gamble for the studio, since the GENERAL AUDIENCE is already use to this character (Magneto) from the first two movies. Plus, with the studio’s precognitive intent on ending this series with this third movie, “The LAST stand”, the actor’s contract, and other legal obligations were probably another determining factor. Not only that, but Fox shot itself in the foot by killing off some of the main characters, which ties into the whole “Sinister” plot in the first place.

3) As clichéd as it would be for a villain (Magneto) to “awake” an ancient and more powerful foe to aid in his fight against humans (Apocalypse), and advance a homo-superior nation, it simply doesn’t fall within the pre-established realities for this movie universe. That’s like bringing in “Indiana Jones” elements into a Star Wars movie.

And lastly…

… "Wolverine as part of the Horseman, and stuff like that”… When you have any iota of thought to realize how stupid that concept is, get back with me.

LOL!!! Im not a fan boy. Werent you the person who wanted dazzler (dont even know who he is), Havok and such with colossus, kitty and rogue as the new 'xmen' (POST #52)? Think about what you're writing before you do actually write it.

And if I was talking in terms of a fan boy, WOULD I CARE about BOX office revenue? REFER to my previous posts please. Do not make it seem like IM the fan boy - because I never once refered to any 'new' characters (except for a villain) which would PROBABLY not be accepted by the general movie audience. Read my post (#54) - do I sound like a FAN BOY? Or is it you?

You've already proved that you dont know much about Wolverine and Cyclops fighting (EVEN AFTER JEANS DEATH), so I guess my POINT of Wolverine being a HORSEMAN wouldnt make sense to you either. So I wont bother with that.

Nonetheless, Professor Fan boy, here we go again!

1 - DISAGREED. A verbal argument is one thing. A physical confrontation is another. Imagine the talk after and before the movie of casual movie-goers claiming who wouldve won in a fight! The hard part after the fight would be to work together (maybe rescue someone?) My point is, not to show conflict between characters but an altercation.

2 - If they can do it for one trilogy. They can do it for another. A high profile actor can pull off a trilogy.

3 - Apocalypse can work. He can be the ultimate mutant. As I've said, if they can make PHOENIX a SCHIZOPHRENIC idea, they can DEFINATELY pull the concept of Apocalypse (even if they twist that concept a bit).

Overconfident? Is that a bad thing? ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

LOL!!! Im not a fan boy. Werent you the person who wanted dazzler (dont even know who he is), Havok and such with colossus, kitty and rogue as the new 'xmen' (POST #52)? Think about what you're writing before you do actually write it.

And if I was talking in terms of a fan boy, WOULD I CARE about BOX office revenue? REFER to my previous posts please. Do not make it seem like IM the fan boy - because I never once refered to any 'new' characters (except for a villain) which would PROBABLY not be accepted by the general movie audience. Read my post (#54) - do I sound like a FAN BOY? Or is it you?

You've already proved that you dont know much about Wolverine and Cyclops fighting (EVEN AFTER JEANS DEATH), so I guess my POINT of Wolverine being a HORSEMAN wouldnt make sense to you either. So I wont bother with that.

Nonetheless, Professor Fan boy, here we go again!

1 - DISAGREED. A verbal argument is one thing. A physical confrontation is another. Imagine the talk after and before the movie of casual movie-goers claiming who wouldve won in a fight! The hard part after the fight would be to work together (maybe rescue someone?) My point is, not to show conflict between characters but an altercation.

2 - If they can do it for one trilogy. They can do it for another. A high profile actor can pull off a trilogy.

3 - Apocalypse can work. He can be the ultimate mutant. As I've said, if they can make PHOENIX a SCHIZOPHRENIC idea, they can DEFINATELY pull the concept of Apocalypse (even if they twist that concept a bit).

Overconfident? Is that a bad thing? ;)

Wanting Dazzler to be a part of the new team isn't a personal request (I don't even like the characters I listed)... If you paid attention to my post at that time, you'd see that I was bringing in other X-Men to replace the ones that either died off, or are too expensive to bring back...But no, you didn't get the point of that. Figures.

If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects.

Once again, here we go with the justifications:

1) What's the point of Cyclops and Wolverine fighting?.... Tell me?... Other than the tension between the two, and their shared love for Jean... What's the point?... They don't like each other,we get that. You get that. The general audience gets that.... Move on.

2) Sinister and Apocalypse are NOT the most popular X-Men villains ever. Especially with the debochery Milligain left from his last story arc. And like I said to "Cyrusbales", the character doesn't fit in the reality of the X-Men movieverse. Choose someone more grounded to their reality, and I might give you a little props.

3) They adjust Apocalypse's character to modern times, and I'd say okay. Right now, there are far too many villains they could choose from. Remember, X-Men goes back quite a ways. I'm sure if they can do the research on each character for all three movies, they can find a popular, older villain from their past.

Option B, reboot the series in ten years from now.

[spideyboy_1111]

actually they've kinda built up a huge rivalry between wolvie and cyclops... in a way i think it would be good for them to to let out some steam... infact.. it's what always happens in the comic... i'd love to see that happen.. infact.. it could make them settle there differences afterwords

[ProfeZZor X]

actually they've kinda built up a huge rivalry between wolvie and cyclops... in a way i think it would be good for them to to let out some steam... infact.. it's what always happens in the comic... i'd love to see that happen.. infact.. it could make them settle there differences afterwords

If something like that did happen, it should be shot in the Danger Room during a training session, where they can let out their agression on each other in tactical ways. Not in the general area.... But I digress.

Cyclops is DEAD people..... move on.

[spideyboy_1111]

He's neither alive, nor dead.. like doc ock, there in purgatory... if writers opt to use them again, they can.. if they don't, there dead.

and yeah i'd agree on the danger room as well.. but read astonishing, there was a very good scene about them doing that in front of the students, and kitty and emma talking them out of it, it was a pretty good scene and was done in a way where it would honestly look and fit perfect on the big screen

[genufine]

Wanting Dazzler to be a part of the new team isn't a personal request (I don't even like the characters I listed)... If you paid attention to my post at that time, you'd see that I was bringing in other X-Men to replace the ones that either died off, or are too expensive to bring back...But no, you didn't get the point of that. Figures.

If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects.

Once again, here we go with the justifications:

1) What's the point of Cyclops and Wolverine fighting?.... Tell me?... Other than the tension between the two, and their shared love for Jean... What's the point?... They don't like each other,we get that. You get that. The general audience gets that.... Move on.

2) Sinister and Apocalypse are NOT the most popular X-Men villains ever. Especially with the debochery Milligain left from his last story arc. And like I said to "Cyrusbales", the character doesn't fit in the reality of the X-Men movieverse. Choose someone more grounded to their reality, and I might give you a little props.

3) They adjust Apocalypse's character to modern times, and I'd say okay. Right now, there are far too many villains they could choose from. Remember, X-Men goes back quite a ways. I'm sure if they can do the research on each character for all three movies, they can find a popular, older villain from their past.

Option B, reboot the series in ten years from now.

You can put it any way you want, but REPLACING means INTRODUCING. To replace a character you must introduce a new CHARACTER. Do you really think the general movie audience gives a Sh"T about characters like DAZZLER or HAVOK? Obviously thats a no, and you can therefore definately arrive at the conclusion that the replacing will be a failure.

"If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects." >> LOL! First I dont consider myself a Wolverine fan. I'd say I am a cyclops fan. Second, the F A G comment you just made, I can assure you I have gotten more action with very beautiful ladies in a few months then you'll probably ever get in your life.

But, moving away from the point is to weaken your own points. So I wont resort to it. And yes, I see Wolverine being a horseman NOT in the next movie, but maybe a buildup to the last trilogy and/with Apocalypse.

1) Cyclops VS Wolverine. Whats the point? I want to see them use their powers against each other. They have already used their WITS, WORDS against each other. Why not Physical POWERS? Why do you think Fans want to see BATMAN VS SUPERMAN? To argue? L-O-L!

2) Sinister and Apoc not the most famous villains? Thats why 99% (or maybe 100%) of these boards have the ideas for either or both. When Spidey 1 and then 2 came out, during both movies - do you remember what the fans wanted? VENOM. Oh wait, whats #3 about?

3) AGAIN, if they can pull PHOENIX as a MENTAL disorder. They will definately make him look realistic (modern day age)

Option B, reboot? I dont want that in 10 years, bc I dont know if ill still be interested. If rebooting, do it by 2010 (thats IF).

He's neither alive, nor dead.. like doc ock, there in purgatory... if writers opt to use them again, they can.. if they don't, there dead.

and yeah i'd agree on the danger room as well.. but read astonishing, there was a very good scene about them doing that in front of the students, and kitty and emma talking them out of it, it was a pretty good scene and was done in a way where it would honestly look and fit perfect on the big screen

Imagine them facing off in the garden of the mansion? Cyke returns to find out by another that Wolverine killed Jean. Cyke shoots first, Wolverine gets up, unloads the CLAWS. Imagine that in a commercial. LOL! crazy.

As for whoever thinks Cyclops is dead? What makes the Xmen so unique is the Internal Conflict of the team. Kill of the problem, theres only a solution. Only a solution throughout the movie, with no conflict = boring. They wont keep cyke out. Trust me.

[Mattchew]

I think they almost HAVE to have Wolverine for any X-men movie ever...

Having said that no Storm, Cyce, Jean... fine.

Let Iceman ice up. Bring back Nightcrawler. Introduce Gambit. Give Rogue her powers back (a la Magneto in the 'X3' tag) and give her traditional powers.

There's a million character... cast a few new big names. Done deal...

But you have to have Wolverine. Have to.

[TKing]

I think they almost HAVE to have Wolverine for any X-men movie ever...

Having said that no Storm, Cyce, Jean... fine.

Let Iceman ice up. Bring back Nightcrawler. Introduce Gambit. Give Rogue her powers back (a la Magneto in the 'X3' tag) and give her traditional powers.

There's a million character... cast a few new big names. Done deal...

But you have to have Wolverine. Have to.

I'm not so sure. I mean Wolverine overshadowed Cyclops in the first two movies and he's getting his own spin-off. Don't you think people will have had enough of him? Call my crazy, but I could just about imagine a film where Wolverine takes a backseat and lets the other characters shine for once, like maybe Storm for example.

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not so sure. I mean Wolverine overshadowed Cyclops in the first two movies and he's getting his own spin-off. Don't you think people will have had enough of him? Call my crazy, but I could just about imagine a film where Wolverine takes a backseat and lets the other characters shine for once, like maybe Storm for example.

I would have agreed, but the more comics I read, especially ultimate X-men, the more I see wolverine being important. The issue where he gets shot to pieces at the start was awesome! I wanna see the gambit-wolverine battle where gambit charges up his whole skeleton through his claws, lol.

But I've always hated Iceman, same goes for angel, Gambit and rogue are such superior characters, I think it's more of a question of repairing the damage done in eX-3 before X-4 could work.

[_BB_]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds36201.html

"We have the script and are working on it"

Wolverine, Magneto and X4, cant wait :D

[Jack Phantom]

I have enjoyed the X-franchise very much. The first two more than the third...and I've kicked around possibilities for a fourth X-film since before X3 was released. But in watching all of the movies and the underpinning for them in 'reality' it's very hard to see how even an extremely talented writer could create a fourth with a considerable number of the characters established in the first two movies. And those are the movie-verse anchor-characters. I just don't see how you make another. Sad.

[Psylocke8]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds36201.html

"We have the script and are working on it"

Wolverine, Magneto and X4, cant wait :D



Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!! Psylocke better be in it or ill be pissed! Amazing! Great Find!:up:

[spideyboy_1111]

by script they more then likely mean "outline" besically just the skeleton of the script and what the main direction the movie would go in

[Ororocity]

It don't make any sense how can you start X4 without any of the old X Men.
Look at the way X3 was left

[spideyboy_1111]

they never said they werent using them.. they just arnt signed yet... and you can still write a script outline without knowing if there in it or not.. (as long as they dont effect the main story)

[Cyrusbales]

they should use ultimate apocalypse!!! Technially, they never called Yuriko 'deathstrike', so maybe we could have ultimate deathstrike too? I just love ultimate deathstrike, she's so hardcore with the skewering people, especially when she gets dazzler, gotta hate dazzler!

[ljr]

well both anna and james said they'd do x4 as did patrick so there's hope at least some of them will be in x4.

[Ororocity]

I want all of them, and Cyclops is coming back? This will be nice

[Psylocke8]

I just want PSYLOCKE!!!:( :mad:

[Ororocity]

I want Psylocke with Warren

[Psylocke8]

^Yeah that would be awesome!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif