MS to make redesigned controller for FPS games.

[Topdawg]

http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3518 (http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3518)

seems pretty cool.

[Manny Calavera]

The 360 controller is probably one of my favorite controllers of all time, I really don't think I wanna see them change it. They have a good thing going here, no need to risk another 'duke'. And really, I'd rather not see MS encourage people to make even more first person shooters, the system already has more than it needs.

[XwolverineX]

Topdawg, gtfo of here, you sony *****.

[Topdawg]

Topdawg, gtfo of here, you sony *****.

im posting good news here, so whats your problem?

[XwolverineX]

You.

[Topdawg]

You.

then dont reply to my threads then,idiot.

[Lactophiliac]

You.Seriously dude WTF? Settle down.

Well I'm not sure what the changes they are going to make are (Make the analog stick more sensitive or something?) However I do know that nothing short of a keyboard and mouse is going to make the people who think a keyboard and a mouse is better happy.

[Spidey-Bat]

Sounds like they're just making another controller they'll charge $50 for. Thats one thing I hate about the 360 controllers. They're so ****ing expensive.

[lars573]

I predict about 20 minutes before sony copies it and claims they have been developing it for 6 years and that M$ stole it from them.

[Topdawg]

^ with the PS3 you can use mouse and keyboard, they dont need to copy.

[lars573]

But they copied everything else. so they'll copy this too.

[Manny Calavera]

The PS3 only has bad FPS' and PC ports, so there's no point though. Kind of a trade off.

[Topdawg]

but if they copy, its more bang for my buck.

[Lactophiliac]

^ with the PS3 you can use mouse and keyboard, they dont need to copy.Why does everyone love the mouse and keyboard so much? I can't use a them while lying back all comfy on my couch so they are **** as far as I'm concerned.

[lars573]

Even as I read that I figured out how to do it properly and confortably.

[Lactophiliac]

Even as I read that I figured out how to do it properly and confortably.Yay well draw me a ****ing diagram then cause I don't think so. I don't see how I can lay back on my couch and get good control over a mouse

[Manny Calavera]

Mouse and Keyboard is overrated by PC elitist gamers who refuse to admit that consoles can do anything right. In my experience, controllers give me the exact same control with more comfort, there's no reason to use a mouse/keyboard.

[lars573]

Yay well draw me a ****ing diagram then cause I don't think so. I don't see how I can lay back on my couch and get good control over a mouse
1.Entable, if your still kinda sitting up
2.Floor if your laying down.
This all ofcourse requires a wireless keyboard and mouse.

[Lactophiliac]

1.Entable, if your still kinda sitting up
2.Floor if your laying down.
This all ofcourse requires a wireless keyboard and mouse.Yeah, that wouldn't work (I'm on my back) it's not important though so it's pointless to keep talking about it.

[Topdawg]

The Wii doesnt seem comfortable for relaxing either, you always have to move around.lol

[Manny Calavera]

You just need to flick your wrist, not that big a deal.

[Zenien]

Microsoft to Revise Xbox 360 Controller?
[xbox360]

In a presentation at today's Gamefest event in Seattle, Microsoft's product unit manager for hardware Robert S. Walker made some comments suggesting that the company may release a new optional "advanced" version of the Xbox 360 controller at some point in the future. The presentation was largely focused on Xbox 360 peripherals coming in the near future, such as the Xbox Live Vision camera and the Xbox 360 Wireless Racing Wheel, but at a certain point the topic shifted to the issue of fine control in genres such as first person shooters which are arguably less suited to traditional console controllers than to a mouse and keyboard. After confirming that, as previously stated, the company has no plans to allow in-game mouse and keyboard support on Xbox 360, Walker noted that Microsoft is looking at ways to modify the right analog stick on the controller to make it more conducive to the precise movements used in shooters and various other genres. This controller would not replace the original controller, and would merely be an option available to players looking for a more advanced control scheme.

When asked for clarification by Shacknews, Walker reiterated that Microsoft does not yet have any concrete plans for the workings of such a device, nor is there any projected release period. Rather, it is something under consideration by Microsoft's hardware development teams as a long term possibility.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/43366

They can release an optional 360 controller all theyw ant, but the Keyboard/Mouse is still the Keyboard/Mouse, PC ports of FPS games that support it for the PS3 will all be defacto superior to the 360 versions. This is a mistake on Microsofts part.

[Manny Calavera]

Not to anyone but PC elitists who wouldn't be playing a ps3 in the first place, and people who want to claim superiority of the ps3 no matter how useless this particuliar feature is. If a decent controller is available to you, it's ALWAYS preferable to a big, clumsy keyboard/mouse combo, unless you're busy trying to rabidly defend pc gaming.

[Zenien]

Omg you can't hold the keyboard/mouse in your hands11!!!! :( :( :(

[Manny Calavera]

No, you cant, nor can you get any sort of force feed back from it, or any sort of comfort or control for 99% of the games out there than you get with a controller. Most overrated control set up ever :down

[TrailerCues]

Omg you can't hold the keyboard/mouse in your hands11!!!! :( :( :(

I think the problem here most like a choice in how they game. Something like this will obviously be required I am sure for certain games in the future & most just prefer using the controller when it comes to consoles. Like Blu Ray Sony is going to force this onto those that prefer controllers when playing on consoles when it should not be a 100 % required thing & obviously Sony is doing this to pass the PS3 on as a computer. I wonder what Sony will think of next to make customers use or do not bother at all with the PS3. Sony is REALLY PUSHING THEIR LUCK

[lars573]

Yeah, that wouldn't work (I'm on my back) it's not important though so it's pointless to keep talking about it.
Unless you have stubby arms like a T-Rex laying down and putting the mouse on the floor would work. Granted you'd have to put your legs up to balance the keyboard properly. Which on my couch with it's black hole of vroken springs in the center wouldn't be a good idea.

[Lactophiliac]

Omg you can't hold the keyboard/mouse in your hands11!!!! :( :( :(I dunno if you're trying to be funny here (since you seem to be pretty bad at it when you try) but yes exactly you can't. I can walk around my living room holding a controller and playing if I want. What is the advantage to a mouse and keyboard anyway?Unless you have stubby arms like a T-Rex laying down and putting the mouse on the floor would work. Granted you'd have to put your legs up to balance the keyboard properly. Which on my couch with it's black hole of vroken springs in the center wouldn't be a good idea.Dude let it go.

[hippie_hunter]

The 360 controller is probably one of my favorite controllers of all time, I really don't think I wanna see them change it. They have a good thing going here, no need to risk another 'duke'. And really, I'd rather not see MS encourage people to make even more first person shooters, the system already has more than it needs.

Quoted for truth on every word

[ProjectPat2280]

I think the controller they have now is fine for ALL games on that system. I love it.

[Hoban]

Maybe in place of the right analog stick, they'll put in something like a track ball mouse.

[THWIP*]

Maybe in place of the right analog stick, they'll put in something like a track ball mouse.


I WOULD ACTUALLY GO FOR THAT, SINCE I LOVE MY 'LOGITECH' TRACKBALL MOUSE........BUT I DOUBT IT WOULD WORK WELL ON A CONTROLLER, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOO SMALL. :confused:

[Zenien]

I dunno if you're trying to be funny here (since you seem to be pretty bad at it when you try) but yes exactly you can't. I can walk around my living room holding a controller and playing if I want.

Before the age of wireless controllers you couldn't walk around the room anyway, not that being able to get milk while you're fighting the boss on level 9 is a great recomendation anyway.

What is the advantage to a mouse and keyboard anyway?

A mouse is designed to point at things with great percision and quickness, it works much better at its designed task then analogue sticks do. Which version of Half Life 2 controls better, the Xbox version or the PC? The answer is the PC version, and that's all because of the Keyboard and Mouse.

So then, which version of Half Life 2, a PC game mind you, will have the better controls? The answer is the version that let's you use they Keyboard/mouse, and what's the only console that supports the keyboard?

The Playstation 3. It's going to have the superior controls period for most FPS games.

[Axid]

Ummmm, 360 supports a keyboard :confused:

[Manny Calavera]

That's possibly the worst logic the internet has ever seen Zenien. What's going to control better, a game designed for a controller but using a mouse/keyboard? It sure as hell won't be the M/KB combo. What's going to control better for the huge majority of people who play games with controllers and not a Mouse/Keyboard? The Controller. What controls better period when you step away from the PC elitist bull**** who make the mouse/keyboard out to be something that doesn't suck ass (which is, of course, untrue, it does suck ass), and step away from you trying to hype it up because the PS3 supports it needlessly? The controller. This "mouse/keyboard controls better" crap is as bad as....well, nothing. Nothing is as bad as this mouse/keyboard crap, it really needs to die. Mice and keyboards are clumsy, they're uncomfortable, they're not portable, they're not even designed for gaming, the argument that they're inherently better for absolutely everyone or even the majority or that the support of the M/KB is some sort of huge advantage is crap.

[Addendum]

The only thing I like about the Keyboard/Mouse set-up is I can access the various weapons faster than using a controller.

Other than that, I have yet to see hard proof that a controller or a Mouse/Keyboard is better.

[Zenien]

Microsoft supports the keyboard/mouse, but doesn't allow it for games.

That's possibly the worst logic the internet has ever seen Zenien. What's going to control better, a game designed for a controller but using a mouse/keyboard? It sure as hell won't be the M/KB combo. What's going to control better for the huge majority of people who play games with controllers and not a Mouse/Keyboard? The Controller.

Wrong, PC games which are the majority of the good FPS games that the consoles receive, control better with the control method they were designed with. Half Life 2 doesn’t control anywhere near as well with a controller as it does with a mouse.


What controls better period when you step away from the PC elitist bull**** who make the mouse/keyboard out to be something that doesn't suck ass (which is, of course, untrue, it does suck ass),

Wrong. Heck Halo CE controls better on the PC then Halo does on the Xbox. The Xbox controller is great for FPS games, but it’s a fact that the PC works just that much, and doubly so for PC made FPS games, the Xbox controller is awkward playing Half Life 2, it can’t track fast enough, it doesn’t have that fine precision of a mouse.

and step away from you trying to hype it up because the PS3 supports it needlessly?

That must be why Unreal Tournament 2007 is going to be using it for the PS3.

The controller. This "mouse/keyboard controls better" crap is as bad as....well, nothing. Nothing is as bad as this mouse/keyboard crap, it really needs to die. Mice and keyboards are clumsy,

Mouse and keyboards are clumsy? Try telling that to someone playing an RTS on a console.

they're uncomfortable,

I highly doubt that.

they're not portable

That doesn’t really matter

they're not even designed for gaming,

Yet they excel and micro management and micro precision, probably why they’ve dominated the RTS and FPS market for a long time.

the argument that they're inherently better for absolutely everyone or even the majority or that the support of the M/KB is some sort of huge advantage is crap.

Wrong.

[Manny Calavera]

One thing I would like to see would be the top shoulder buttons on the 360 replaced with clickable mouse wheels, just slightly more "flat", to give quick item selections in games without losing a button. It'd be pretty easy to use I'd think, and is certainly preferable to pressing X a few times until you get to the gravity gun.

[Zenien]

Awesome, you surrendered. :o

[Axid]

There is nothing comfortable about laying on a sofa or bed and playing with a mouse and keyboard

[Manny Calavera]

Wrong, PC games which are the majority of the good FPS games that the consoles receive, control better with the control method they were designed with. Half Life 2 doesn’t control anywhere near as well with a controller as it does with a mouse.
Dumb. I mean, you pretty much just agreed with me, the games will control better with their designed method. Though you stupidly disagree down the page despite the fact that you've said the exact opposite in the past, Halo is a great example, it controlled GREAT on the Xbox...and like dog **** on the PC. Another great example is Far Cry, a game meant for PC that actually took the time to rework the controls so as to still control fantastically with a controller. So yeah, I don't know if you meant that to be a rebuttal or what, but I think you're supposed to be disagreeing with me after you say "Wrong" there zenien :o



Wrong. Heck Halo CE controls better on the PC then Halo does on the Xbox. The Xbox controller is great for FPS games, but it’s a fact that the PC works just that much, and doubly so for PC made FPS games, the Xbox controller is awkward playing Half Life 2, it can’t track fast enough, it doesn’t have that fine precision of a mouse.
Zenien, this is terrible, you've said the exact opposite in the past, stop making preferences up to better suit your argument. I have never had any trouble playing a first person shooter with a controller, not in my entire life, and I've played several, on both PC and Consoles. You mostly hear the "omg the pc is just better it's a fact dood!1!!" stuff from people looking for an excuse as to why they suck ass at Halo and not Counter Strike. The controller is better for the vast majority of tasks, for the vast majority of people. That's a fact, one based on the fact that more people play games on their consoles (with a controller) than on their PCs (with a mouse/keyboard), rather than an imaginary "fact" based on someone wanting to win an argument.



That must be why Unreal Tournament 2007 is going to be using it for the PS3.
Great argument. A game taking advantage of a feature totally proves that it's not needlessly supported because a better option is already present. But instead of that, it does the exact opposite.



Mouse and keyboards are clumsy? Try telling that to someone playing an RTS on a console.
I don't think they make RTS on a console zenien, and if they did, I would happily tell them that. How many buttons are on a keyboard? How big is it? How mobile? Is it designed for fast two hand typing (yes) or fast, easy, accurate one handed use while your other hand uses the mouse (no)? The mouse and keyboard is just clumsy, especially to the majority of people who don't use it to play games, and even I find it more difficult to use than a controller and I've played a ton of games on PC.



I highly doubt that.
I don't know what I can say to such a great rebuttal....wait, it just came to me. "Compared to something designed for gaming and for hours of use, a one hand on keyboard one hand on mouse deal is going to lose everytime, don't bother debating this."



That doesn’t really matter
:rolleyes:
So portability isn't going to matter when someone tries to use a mouse keyboard on their console, something that is typically played several feet further away when compared to a PC? The portability won't be an issue when you honestly ask someone to lay on the floor and crank their neck up at the TV so they can use the "superior" mouse and keyboard that was designed to be used on a desk while sitting regardless? Or when you ask them to get a small table and try to get it the right height so they don't spend most of the time leaning over to control their game, finally saving and quitting when the back pain becomes too unbearable? Portability "matters" zenien, no matter how much you don't want it to to make your argument easier to swallow.



Yet they excel and micro management and micro precision, probably why they’ve dominated the RTS and FPS market for a long time.
Or maybe it was because the RTS and FPS market existed solely on the PC for lack of a console audience for a long time? No, of course not.



Wrong.
I'm sorry, you can't just say "wrong" and leave it at that, we call that "retarded", try again.

[Manny Calavera]

Awesome, you surrendered. :o
Hardly, en garde fool! :mad:

[Zenien]

Excuse me while I take all night to type out the response to your roaring failure of a post while avoiding getting fired. :mad:

[lars573]

Neither a controller or K/B (keyboard/mouse I'm abbreviating it from now on) are better than the other. A controller is more compact than K/B. But a mouse has 10 times* the percision of a right stick for aim/look in a FPS game. They are about even for camera control in a 3rd person game like Max Payne. And absolute crap for cursor control in an RTS game. A K/B is superior ot a controller for inventory management and for using spells/ items. Mostly because you can hot key your spells and items to a letter. But it's s**t for movement in an FPS game. I don't know how many times in FEAR I wished I ahd a left stick so I could creep.













*possible exageration

[hippie_hunter]

The Playstation 3. It's going to have the superior controls period for most FPS games.

No, the Wii-mote will have the superior controls for most FPS games. Followed by the Xbox 360 controller (which is basically the same as the original Xbox controller, which was great for FPS games, but unlike the original, is very, very confortable). Followed by the Playstation 3 controller (which has the same design as the Dual Shock 2, which while also being one of the best controllers, sucked ass for FPS games)