Pictures Discussion Thread

[Amphibatheatre]

Oh by the way, this is what the Cybertronian Jets looked like in the comic series, this is obviously Starscream and Skywarp.
http://www.tfarchive.com/creative/artwork/el_starscream08.jpg (http://www.tfarchive.com/creative/artwork/el_starscream08.jpg)
http://www.tfarchive.com/creative/artwork/el_skywarp11.jpg (http://www.tfarchive.com/creative/artwork/el_skywarp11.jpg)

Why do they have cockpits in their Cybertronian alt. modes? Were there some small, human sized aliens native to Cybertron in the comics series?

Of course, the same could be asked of the cartoons as well...

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4701/morethanmeetstheeyepart1hc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6555/mtmte13ca4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love the fact that Prime and the other bots still retain the parts of their earth modes before they went to earth and despite the fact they transformed into alien looking vehicles. It just goes to show why changes are needed for the live action movie to work for a wider array of audiences than just G1, G2 or "G1000: Super Robots Dance, Dance Fight!" fans. The mythology was poorly thought out to begin with. It was the victim of what I like to call toy logic. Toy logic being just enough logic put into the narrative to sell toys.

[Michael Corleone]

My god Guard....can we get any more long winded? No matter if your point is proven or not....it's a little overzealous.

[Shinobi Rendar]

I think the Transformers before scanning the earth alt modes looking like the same as when they scanned them was just plain lazyness and rush to launch the cartoon to advertise the toys. I would've love for them to look different like the war within.

The seekers having cockpits in cybertroonian is plain old dumb. But thinking again there may be a Transformer small enough to fits in the cockpit (ex. Frenzy).

I laughed when there were like 5 transformers inside skyfire. It's like he triples size in alt mode. lol.

[Amphibatheatre]

I laughed when there were like 5 transformers inside skyfire. It's like he triples size in alt mode. lol.

Well, most of the Decepticons fit into Astrotrain in the movie. Hell, the constructicons even formed Devastator while they were still in Astro's cargo bay.

And concerning the seeker's cockpits: Even if the Cassette tapes like Rumble and Frenzy could fit in the cockpit...why? The jets don't need piloting. Transportion purposes? The cons could all fly, any way. It was just silly. It boggles the mind to think there are people out there upset that the live action film won't be a fathful retelling of the cartoon

Thank God, changes are being made for the new film.

[Shinobi Rendar]

Exactly.

I didn't even bought Megatron turning into a gun when i was a kid. But i still loved the cartoon.

[bunk]

Why do they have cockpits in their Cybertronian alt. modes? Were there some small, human sized aliens native to Cybertron in the comics series?

Of course, the same could be asked of the cartoons as well...

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4701/morethanmeetstheeyepart1hc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6555/mtmte13ca4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love the fact that Prime and the other bots still retain the parts of their earth modes before they went to earth and despite the fact they transformed into alien looking vehicles. It just goes to show why changes are needed for the live action movie to work for a wider array of audiences than just G1, G2 or "G1000: Super Robots Dance, Dance Fight!" fans. The mythology was poorly thought out to begin with. It was the victim of what I like to call toy logic. Toy logic being just enough logic put into the narrative to sell toys.


'though if they had competely developed the cybertronian designs it could have been a whole nother line of toys

[CFlash]

Why do they have cockpits in their Cybertronian alt. modes? Were there some small, human sized aliens native to Cybertron?


No, but there were small robots. Not all of them were the same size.


I love the fact that Prime and the other bots still retain the parts of their earth modes before they went to earth and despite the fact they transformed into alien looking vehicles.
It just goes to show why changes are needed for the live action movie to work for a wider array of audiences <snip>


You'll notice their Cybertron vehicle modes were very reminiscent of the vehicles Teletran-1 meticulously handpicked for them on Earth (with the hilarious exception of Soundwave :confused: ? ).
That's pretty solid sci-fi logic if you ask me.

[CFlash]

Exactly.

I didn't even bought Megatron turning into a gun when i was a kid. But i still loved the cartoon.

I did. And Soundwave too. I thought it was genius. The best issue of the comic was when Megatron was stuck as a gun for the whole issue (#13).
I just recently found out that was Bob Budiansky's (the writers) favorite too.

[Amphibatheatre]

No, but there were small robots. Not all of them were the same size.



You'll notice their Cybertron vehicle modes were very reminiscent of the vehicles Teletran-1 meticulously handpicked for them on Earth (with the hilarious exception of Soundwave :confused: ? ).
That's pretty solid sci-fi logic if you ask me.


Hahahahhhahah. Please, love the show all you want but for the love of God don't try to defend that sort of silliness.

[CFlash]

Hahahahhhahah. Please, love the show all you want but for the love of God don't try to defend that sort of silliness.

I just did. Quite well too. You're free to refute it.

[Amphibatheatre]

I just did. Quite well too.

Um, no, you didn't.


You're free to refute it.


No thanks. Something tells me no matter what I come up with to refute you it will fall on deaf ears. Really, you're a fan of the show and I have no desire to criticise you because of it. Let's just agree to disagree, sound fair? That way the picture thread doesn't lurch off the rails and plow into an orphanage.

[Gold Samurai]

'though if they had competely developed the cybertronian designs it could have been a whole nother line of toys



in one of those "transformers guide to the universe book" there was a picture of optimus's pre earth form which was basically a hover truck

[Tad Fatherton]

I found this on Bay's forum:

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3712/optimusprimeay1.jpg
is this real, or a manip?

[CFlash]

No thanks. Something tells me no matter what I come up with to refute you it will fall on deaf ears. Really, you're a fan of the show and I have no desire to criticise you because of it. Let's just agree to disagree, sound fair? That way the picture thread doesn't lurch off the rails and plow into orphanage.

Agreed. Anyone can call stuff like this silly. It's easy. It doesn't mean (for instance) that taking away Godzilla's nuclear fire would make the movie any better. In fact, it didn't.

[Substance D]

My god Guard....can we get any more long winded? No matter if your point is proven or not....it's a little overzealous.

he's always been like this. get used to it.

[Shinobi Rendar]

I did. And Soundwave too. I thought it was genius. The best issue of the comic was when Megatron was stuck as a gun for the whole issue (#13).
I just recently found out that was Bob Budiansky's (the writers) favorite too.

I meant 'believe' instead of 'get'. I thought it was cheating. But it does work as a disguise. I just thought mass shifting wasn't believebale, but the disguises work.

is this real, or a manip?

Manip

[Michael Corleone]

he's always been like this. get used to it.
Oh I know...but this is more than usual. He seems to have his ups and downs.

[bunk]

in one of those "transformers guide to the universe book" there was a picture of optimus's pre earth form which was basically a hover truck

I was just saying if they'd designed a robot mode that fit the alt mode they could have made toys for it. They would've been cool too.

[Creature SH]

I, for one, never claimed that the animated series was without flaw. And a good adaption would eliminate the flaws while maintaining the strong points.

But what this movie crew is doing is to chuck the strong points out the window and build a new construct that is even more flawed than the first.

[zer00]

Hahahahhhahah. Please, love the show all you want but for the love of God don't try to defend that sort of silliness.

hahahahahaha

you're an *******:D

[Amphibatheatre]

It doesn't mean (for instance) that taking away Godzilla's nuclear fire would make the movie any better. In fact, it didn't.

Well, I'll agree with you there. Godzilla's atomic breath may not be logical but it's a characteristic that is ingrained in pop culture. Like Batman's ears or Supe's red cape you can redesign certain elements but those are the iconic bits that have to remain.

I think that is where certain elements of the Transformer's mythology comes up for question. What are the iconic bits that cannot for any reason be touched? The imagery or ideas that are indelible to the idea, otherwise you are just creating a whole new brand instead of just adapting a property? Transformers has gone through so many "generations", redesigns, and re-invisioned relaunches that one has to really wonder what is absolutely necesarry in retaining for the property to still be called Transformers. Is it the names? If that's the case then the movie, so far, is sticking with the basic G1 line-up. Granted there are some new Cons developed for the movie but I'd imagine these came about from the designs of action scenes and the type of decepticon needed for the scene. Is it the toy designs or the animated designs based on the toys? This was something that was always going to be changed and rethought. Therefore, you are dealing in factors of degrees when deciding if the live action film is being faithful enough. I don't know, I'm rambling a bit here, but i seriously think that we should be thankful that the designs look as good as they do. Because I imagined the filmmakers going even more out there with the alienistic(is that even a word?) designs than we've seen so far.

[xwolverine2]

Hahahahhhahah. Please, love the show all you want but for the love of God don't try to defend that sort of silliness.
ROTFL!!!!

[CFlash]

Well, I'll agree with you there. Godzilla's atomic breath may not be logical but it's a characteristic that is ingrained in pop culture. Like Batman's ears or Supe's red cape you can redesign certain elements but those are the iconic bits that have to remain.

I think that is where certain elements of the Transformer's mythology comes up for question. What are the iconic bits that cannot for any reason be touched? The imagery or ideas that are indelible to the idea, otherwise you are just creating a whole new brand instead of just adapting a property? Transformers has gone through so many "generations", redesigns, and re-invisioned relaunches that one has to really wonder what is absolutely necesarry in retaining for the property to still be called Transformers. Is it the names? If that's the case then the movie, so far, is sticking with the basic G1 line-up. Granted there are some new Cons developed for the movie but I'd imagine these came about from the designs of action scenes and the type of decepticon needed for the scene. Is it the toy designs or the animated designs based on the toys? This was something that was always going to be changed and rethought. Therefore, you are dealing in factors of degrees when deciding if the live action film is being faithful enough. I don't know, I'm rambling a bit here, but i seriously think that we should be thankful that the designs look as good as they do. Because I imagined the filmmakers going even more out there with the alienistic(is that even a word?) designs than we've seen so far.

The "the're have been so many variations" argument has never really been a good one. To the best of my knowledge, every "generation" and relaunch has never been a reboot per se but has instead taken place in its own part of the story's timeline.
THIS movie is about the G1 Origin story.

I've said it before, but that argument is the same as saying it would have been OK for Spidey to have a black suit in the FIRST Sam Raimi movie simply because he had a black suit at some point in the comics.

I agree with you that there are degrees. For instance, I'm totally fine with Optimus as a robot even tho he reminds me of a cyborg or Bionicle. I kinda like what they did (all things considered). As for making Bumblebee tower over Jazz... well that's just needless.

[Amphibatheatre]

The "the're have been so many variations" argument has never really been a good one. To the best of my knowledge, every "generation" and relaunch has never been a reboot per se but has instead taken place in its own part of the story's timeline.
THIS movie is about the G1 Origin story.

I've said it before, but that argument is the same as saying it would have been OK for Spidey to have a black suit in the FIRST Sam Raimi movie simply because he had a black suit at some point in the comics.

I agree with you that there are degrees. For instance, I'm totally fine with Optimus as a robot even tho he reminds me of a cyborg or Bionicle. I kinda like what they did (all things considered). As for making Bumblebee tower over Jazz... well that's just needless.

Well, all I was trying to say is that come summer 2007 there is going to be some kid out there that is upset that Megatron doesn't look like this:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5309/megatronrmsb2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Or this:

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/7702/bwmegatronxg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Or even this:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4268/megatronmr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


It just depends on which toy incarnation of whatever character you know or are fond of the most. Someone was going to be disappointed no matter what the filmmakers did. Just like there is going to be some kid that loved Beast War's gorilla Optimus over semi truck Optimus. If the producers of the film are guilty of anything it's mentioning the phrase "G1" in any shape or form.

[CFlash]

<snip>
It just depends on which toy incarnation of whatever character you know or are fond of the most. Someone was going to be disappointed no matter what the filmmakers did. Just like there is going to be some kid that loved Beast War's gorilla Optimus over semi truck Optimus. If the producers of the film are guilty of anything it's mentioning the phrase "G1" in any shape or form.

Which would be understandable if the movie were called Beast Machines or Beast Wars or Transformers:Armada and it didn't have the kid Spike with the little yellow car etc.

P.S. "Optimus Primal" is a different being than Prime. Not a reimagination or a redesign but a wholly different person in the same universe.

[Gold Samurai]

there is going to be some kid out there that is upset that Megatron doesn't look like this


a 5 year old wouldn't care(obviously perhaps they saw TF cybertron) but a 15 year old might if they watched beast wars

i'm just concerned about what the mainstream public and old fans who lost touch when they grew out of G1 will think when they see Optimus and Megatrons new look

I'm thinking the reaction will be similar to people who saw the superman returns suit for the first time on the big screen

[CFlash]

i'm just concerned about what the mainstream public and old fans who lost touch when they grew out of G1 will think when they see Optimus and Megatrons new look
<snip>


They'll wonder what the heck Rodimus Prime is doing in the movie.
:D

[Amphibatheatre]

Which would be understandable if the movie were called Beast Machines or Beast Wars or Transformers:Armada and it didn't have the kid Spike with the little yellow car etc.

P.S. "Optimus Primal" is a different character than Prime. Not a reimagination or a redesign but a different character in the same universe.


But, again, it's a matter of degrees. The movie being made is about two opposing groups of transforming robots from the planet Cybertron:The Autobots including, Optimus Prime, Jazz, Ironhide, Ratchet and Bumblebee who befriend a kid name Sam "Spike" Witwicky and the evil Decepticons led by Megatron and including Starscream. There's your G1 basis and storyline. The changes that have made atre the equivalent of giving spider-man organic webshooters, introducing MJ before Gwen Stacey and reimagining the Goblin costume. These are the things that happen while adapting a film. The amount of ideas lifted directly from G1 are enough to justify the producers stating that the film is based off of the G1 storyline while allowing leeway for some re-imagining. Still, they would have been better off never mentioning "g1" in the first place, IMO.

[Amphibatheatre]

I'm thinking the reaction will be similar to people who saw the superman returns suit for the first time on the big screen


Were there people that upset over Supermans new costume? I know some people weren't particulary fond of the new film(I include myself in this group) but I blamed that more on the storyline and general tone of the film than poor reception of the costume.

[CFlash]

But, again, it's a matter of degrees. The movie being made is about two opposing groups of transforming robots from the planet Cybertron:The Autobots including, Optimus Prime, Jazz, Ironhide, Ratchet and Bumblebee who befriend a kid name Sam "Spike" Witwicky and fteh evil Decepticons led by Megatron and including starscream. There's your G1 basis and storyline. The changes that have made atre the equivalent of giving spider-man organic webshooters, introducing MJ before Gwen Stacey and reimagining the Goblin costume. These are the things that happen while adapting a film. The amount of ideas lifted directly from G1 are enough to justify the producers stating that the film is based off of the G1 storyline while allowing leeway for some re-imagining. Still, they would have been better off never mentioning "g1" in the first place, IMO.

Organic web shooters? I don't see anyone complaining that Optimus and Megatron don't materialize axes and maces during a fight. However, the gripes about this movie are not as insignificant (to a lot of people) as you make them out to be. When people look at Spidey, he looks like Spidey. Same goes for the Green Goblin. Now Megatron? Starscream. No.

And really the problem is that some of the adaptions were completely needless. Why is Bumblebee taller than Jazz??? Right on his SPEC CARD it reads that he's the smallest Autobot. Why is he a hot-rod? Right on his SPEC CARD it says he's not all that fast. A BETTER anology would be if they gave Cyclops visor to Wolverine and made him shoot rays from his eyes.

[Amphibatheatre]

I guess this is just another instance where we must simply agree to disagree.

Edit too add: You are fortunate to have missed the uproars over the organic web shooters and GG's costume. It was just as heated and people were just as upset.

[CFlash]

I guess this is just another instance where we must simply agree to disagree.

You can't disagree with a spec card. It's a spec card! :yay:
CamaroBee? + Midget Jazz? Those aren't "adaptions" my friend.
Optimus Prime... sure. But not much else in this movie is.

[SilentType]

You can't disagree with a spec card. It's a spec card! :yay:
CamaroBee? + Midget Jazz? Those aren't "adaptions" my friend.
Optimus Prime... sure. But not much else in this movie is.
HUH? Those are adaptations. They aren't translations, but they are adaptations.

[Gold Samurai]

I guess this is just another instance where we must simply agree to disagree.

Edit too add: You are fortunate to have missed the uproars over the organic web shooters and GG's costume. It was just as heated and people were just as upset.


ah yes *rocks back and forth in wooden chair* it seems like it was ages ago there was that 1000 page organic webs thread


and who could forget

"teh puffy" and creases from batman begins lol

then Superman returns with thread titles like

"debate the suit" "hate the suit come here"

[Substance D]

Organic web shooters? I don't see anyone complaining that Optimus and Megatron don't materialize axes and maces during a fight. However, the gripes about this movie are not as insignificant (to a lot of people) as you make them out to be. When people look at Spidey, he looks like Spidey. Same goes for the Green Goblin. Now Megatron? Starscream. No.

And really the problem is that some of the adaptions were completely needless. Why is Bumblebee taller than Jazz??? Right on his SPEC CARD it reads that he's the smallest Autobot. Why is he a hot-rod? Right on his SPEC CARD it says he's not all that fast. A BETTER anology would be if they gave Cyclops visor to Wolverine and made him shoot rays from his eyes.

spidey looked like spidey. did the gg look like the gg? did mj start out as peter's neighbor and high school crush? was doc ock controlled by his arms? is cflash a retard? a yes on that last one.

[CFlash]

HUH? Those are adaptations. They aren't translations, but they are adaptations.

No, they're reimaginations.
An adaptation is going from a VW Beetle to, say, a mini cooper or some other pokey car that ain't a hot-rod... especially not one faster than Jazz (which a Camaro is). And adaptation is ditching the blockey look and going with the skeletal Bionicle look for realism.... not making BB taller than Jazz.

LOOK! OMG! It's Bumblebee's spec cards throughout the years. Notice his speed is pretty slow!!!!! (BTW, Windcharger--- who is coincidentally a Camaro!-- rates an 8).

http://www.cflashsoft.com/temp/bbspecs.JPG

[Amphibatheatre]

Wolverine in every incarnation is far shorter than Hugh Jackmans Wolverine in the films. A lot of people felt wolverines short, stout stature defined the character. Whatever the difference in height was made up with by Jackmans performance and the writing of the character. Now ,seriously, do we really need to bring spec cards into this?

[SilentType]

No, they're reimaginations.
An adaptation is going from a VW Beetle to, say, a mini cooper or some other pokey car that ain't a hot-rod... especially not one faster than Jazz (which a Camaro is). And adaptation is ditching the blockey look and going with the skeletal Bionicle look for realism.... not making BB taller than Jazz.

That is a matter of opinion.

I'm not sure what the "spec card" is supposed to prove.

[Saint]

I never said he "looked like Megatron". I said he has elements of the original design. And that's really all I've ever said on the subject. My issue is this: You say "Prime looks like Prime", but you discount how the elements have changed (thinner structure, more detail, less classic details, more "intricate" parts. However, with Megatron's design, you don't take that into account at all, or consider why he looks the way he does. It's just "Why have the elements changed"?
Are you serious? Where have I denied the degree of change in Prime? All I've said is that there is a greater degree of change in Megatron, and, additionally, that the changes they chose to make were bad ones.

No. Do you honestly think I don't realize that? Can you find a place where I have demonstrated that I am unable to grasp that concept? I've said repeatedly that I understand that Megatron does not look like his comic book and tv show counterpart.
Read above.

If that was true, you would RECOGNIZE the ways this version compares to the comic/tv show version of Megatron. Optimus Prime has a few elements of his comic book design intact. His head. The windshield. The arm things. The lower legs being blue. A weapon. Megatron also has a few elements intact.
He has two: cannon (supposedly), vaguely similar helmet. I won't list colour because his colour is wrong (hint: Megatron is not all grey). Not enough.

But you don't want to hear that...because he looks different than you're used to seeing him look. Nevermind the massive changes made to Prime: Megatron must look like a giant gun!
He says, shielding his eyes from every post I have ever made that says Megatron obviously shouldn't be a gun.

Because Megatron...as you know him, is a generic, blocky robot design with a helmet and a big gun. Some of that has been translated. But there's no decent way to accurately translate that to screen in the aestehtics of this movie...without it looking absurd in context.
It must be hard to ignore so many of my statements at once (like the ones where I agreed that blocky designs on screen would be dumb). Read carefully: Megatron should have been approached with the same stylization as Prime. I don't care if him being an alien jet makes that impractical--if so, don't make him a freaking alien jet.

See, now you just sound insane. Because no they didn't do it with Bumblebee and Starscream. Bumblee's design changed DRASTICALLY. Ditto Starscream's. The only thing these characters now share in common with their original designs? VERY BASIC ELEMENTS. Yellow for Bumblee, and a helmet. Wings and a piece of the cockpit of the jet for Starscream. Same as Megatron now does. Do you see "generic humanoid robot faces" on Bumblee and Starscream? No? Is Bumblebee's helmet exactly the same as it always was in the comics and show? No? Hmm...but Megatron's has to be the same?
I seem to recall a very similar argument with you where I constantly stressed the importance of "degrees." There is a degree of faithfulness in Prime, and a lesser degree of faithfulness in Bumblebee and Starscream--and an even lesser degree in Megatron. I want the same degree for Megatron that was given to Prime.

Yes, that must be it. And those large feet, the broad shoulders, the helmet, etc...that must have all been designed by accident in the process.
Not good enough.

Here's the thing. They changed Prime. They changed his face. They changed his arms. They changed the makeup of his legs. They even changed his chest. What they kept was the basics. The basic head shape/elements. The basic leg shape. The basic chest design. The basic color-scheme. All those things have been kept about Megatron, to some extent.
See my statement about degrees.

1. They didn't want Megatron to be a tank. There's already a tank among the Decepticons. It's too late for him to be a tank, and making him an alien jet has some exciting possibilities. Get over it already.
They could have easily omitted their tank decepticon in favour of making Megatron a tank. What do I care what they want to do? The fact that Michael Bay will be happy with his film doesn't make it any more enjoyable for me (secret tip: I am the only person that matters; I don't watch movies for other people).

2. Maybe he has one. Like I said, he has it in the script. We haven't seen the final design.
The cannon in the script and the barrel on his back in G1 are two seperate devices (unless there is a such a device in the script in addition to his cannon, and it sits on his back).

3. His helmet does look like a helmet. Not only that, it has the basic design elements of his tv show/comic book helmet. Are you blind? Do you believe there's only one kind of helmet in existence?
I believe the helmet he has is ugly as sin and not sufficiently similar to his actual helmet.

4. Prime's "pieces" look like plates because his alt-form is a freaking Semi truck. Megatron looks that way because his alt-mode is apparently an jagged-looking alien jet. Granted, this is supposedly an early design.
I know that--which is exactly why making him a jagged alien jet was dumb.

Wait...one, now you want him to look like Prime?
As I clarified, a faceplate would be better than what he's got. Frankly, I wouldn't mind so much if the design was completely unlike Megatron but still looked good. As I said, changes are fine so long as they're good ones.

And two, have you ever, in your life seen an insect face? Megatron's looks nothing like one. Insects do not have many small pieces of machinery on their faces, robotic eyes, round mouths full of sharp metallic teeth, etc.
The terminology is irrelevant; the face looks dumb no matter how you describe it.

Megatron's nigh-indestructible, is he not?
In Transformers, sure. In Bayformers? Who knows?

[Saint]

Or this:

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/7702/bwmegatronxg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Not really, since that isn't Megatron. That's his descendent.

[Amphibatheatre]

Not really, since that isn't Megatron. That's his descendent.

Is his name Megatron? Was a toy made after that character design also named Megatron? To the kid that played with that toy and has no idea about G1 that IS Megatron. Does that kid care if the producers said G1 or beast wars? No, they just know transformers and the names, like Optimus and Megatron. The names are brands in themselves not just single iconic characters. That was the point I was making.

[nosebleed.]

That is a matter of opinion.

I'm not sure what the "spec card" is supposed to prove.

If you can't see what he's trying to prove then you have selective vision because what he's saying is apparent. Its really and truly simple. BB is no longer an underdog. Its that simple.

The Wolverine analogy only works with his height. What else is so different about Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and all the other adaptations of Wolverine? Not too much if you ask me...he's pretty faithful besides his height. So if people are going to use a comparison, please use a better one.

[1987olds442]

(BTW, Windcharger--- who is coincidentally a Camaro!-- rates an 8).He was a Firebird not a Camaro :joker: But you make a good point...

[Amphibatheatre]

The Wolverine analogy only works with his height. What else is so different about Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and all the other adaptations of Wolverine? Not too much if you ask me...he's pretty faithful besides his height.


I haven't read the script but why isn't Bumblebee considered an underdog? His height? He's taller than jazz? He's a camaro? When bumblebee faces Barricade who is the underdog in that fight? Something tells me it will be Bumblebee.

The character can be the same despite the alt mode. And yes, that is the equivalent of complaining that Hugh jackman is too tall to play Wolverine.

Bumble isn't a camaro!
Wolverine isn't 6 feet tall!

The same silly argument...

[SilentType]

If you can't see what he's trying to prove then you have selective vision because what he's saying is apparent. Its really and truly simple. BB is no longer an underdog. Its that simple.

Do you need me to rephrse that? OK.
I don't know how the spec card improves his argument.

[1987olds442]

Is his name Megatron? Was a toy made after that character design also named Megatron? To the kid that played with that toy and has no idea about G1 that IS Megatron. Does that kid care if the producers said G1 or beast wars? No, they just know transformers and the names, like Optimus and Megatron. The names are brands in themselves not just single iconic characters. That was the point I was making.Not a good example to make your point Beast Wars Megatron (which took his name in respect of the original) and G1 Megatron were in the same series and shown together, and thusly shown to be completely different characters...

[Jager X]

thats pretty much how i see it as well.take away bumblebee's inferiority on the battlefield would lessen his character as a whole for its his courage that makes him great.

[nosebleed.]

I haven't read the script but why isn't Bumblebee considered an underdog? His height? He's taller than jazz? He's a camaro? When bumblebee faces Barricade who is the underdog in that fight? Something tells me it will be Bumblebee.

Optimus Prime would be an underdog compared to Devastator also...but that doesn't mean he is THE underdog of the Transformers. You're missing the point and manipulating logic to your favor.

The character can be the same despite the alt mode. And yes, that is the equivalent of complaining that Hugh jackman is too tall to play Wolverine.

Bumble isn't a camaro!
Wolverine isn't 6 feet tall!

The same silly argument...

BB is a camaro
BB doesn't talk
BB has no mouth
BB is no longer the underdog
BB can change his alt-mode (along with ALL the other Transformers)

vs

Wolverine is too tall....

Yeah, that's comparable. Your logic is flawed.

[CFlash]

I haven't read the script but why isn't Bumblebee considered an underdog? His height? He's taller than jazz? He's a camaro? When bumblebee faces Barricade who is the underdog in that fight? Something tells me it will be Bumblebee.

The character can be the same despite the alt mode. And yes, that is the equivalent of complaining that Hugh jackman is too tall to play Wolverine.

Bumble isn't a camaro!
Wolverine isn't 6 feet tall!

The same silly argument...

If you collected the toys and ever read those spec cards, you'd understand that Transformers were defined by those specs and capacities, NOT mutant powers. Understanding that, you'd realize that the BETTER analogy is if they gave Wolverine a visor and gave him cyclops' optic blast ability.

Would you be OK with it if they made Starscream a C140 cargo plane. It's military. It's indispensible. But, is it Starscream?

[Amphibatheatre]

Not a good example to make your point Beast Wars Megatron (which took his name in respect of the original) and G1 Megatron were in the same series and shown together, and thusly shown to be completely different characters...


To a kid, Megatron is Megatron. the name is what they know and they will associate that name to what ever toy theuy remeber. And there have been a a multitude of Megatron toys. all looked different. It all depends on what toy the kids parents bought him. Gun Megatron , tank Megatron, Tyrannasaurus Megatron... some of you have to learn to accept that not everyone knows Transformers backwards and forwards. not every kid or every adult that was once a kid knows every episode and evry incarnation of theses characters. That's the point I'm trying to make. To the kid that only knows Megatron from watching Armada before he went to school then he's going to be dissapointed for entirely different reasons than the now 35 year old that is dissappointed megatron isn't a gun.

[SilentType]

Not being a “fan” of transformers, I have one question: How did the creating Alt-modes work in the other mediums?

[1987olds442]

To a kid, Megatron is Megatron. the name is what they know and they will associate that name to what ever toy theuy remeber. And there have been a a multitude of Megatron toys. all looked different. It all depends on what toy the kids parents bought him. Gun Megatron , tank Megatron, Tyrannasaurus Megatron... some of you have to learn to accept that not everyone knows Transformers backwards and forwards. not every kid or every adult that was once a kid knows every episode and evry incarnation of theses characters. That's the point I'm trying to make. To the kid that only knows Megatron from watching Armada before he went to school then he's going to be dissapointed for entirely different reasons than the now 35 year old that is dissappointed megatron isn't a gun.Sorry you didn't make a clear point before the series that you were talking about clearly defined that there were two beings called Megatron in that show the audience was aware of this information...

[Avangarde]

Not really, since that isn't Megatron. That's his descendent.

Might also be worth to note that the beast wars Megatron carried the G1 Megatron's Spark for a while.

[nosebleed.]

To a kid, Megatron is Megatron. the name is what they know and they will associate that name to what ever toy theuy remeber. And there have been a a multitude of Megatron toys. all looked different. It all depends on what toy the kids parents bought him. Gun Megatron , tank Megatron, Tyrannasaurus Megatron... some of you have to learn to accept that not everyone knows Transformers backwards and forwards. not every kid or every adult that was once a kid knows every episode and evry incarnation of theses characters. That's the point I'm trying to make. To the kid that only knows Megatron from watching Armada before he went to school then he's going to be dissapointed for entirely different reasons than the now 35 year old that is dissappointed megatron isn't a gun.

Why do you keep looking at everything from a child's perspective? Is this the core audience of Bay's movie? Kids? That's not who the teaser trailer was targeted to. It doesn't seem to be targeted toward kids with all the military support, scary designs (Megatron and Starscream) and the PG-13 rating...it seems to be pointed to a general audience. General audience includes a whole damn lot of people who know what Optimus Prime and Megatron look like because those designs go back 22 years. Even my frikkin wife (who knows nothing about Transformers) told me, "That's not Megatron".

What will you bring up next? The same tired, "Well we all know that the blocky 80s designs won't work. All you guys want is an exact translation. Complete redesign is needed"? For that I will answer with this:

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/232/screameron6.jpg

Faithful to G1 yet modernized for a movie.

[1987olds442]

Not being a “fan” of transformers, I have one question: How did the creating Alt-modes work in the other mediums?Mostly it has been to blend in with native environments or as a means to surprise attach their enemy, but in Beast Wars it was to protect them from excessive amounts of energon.

[RED-RAIN]

wow..good point i mean i've never seen or heard of the transformers changing there alternate forms....not even in more than meets the eye(g1 pilot) or, for that matter i never saw the transformers choose new forms in the opening credits of beast wars....oh, my god what have they done!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilentType]

Mostly it has been to blend in with native environments or as a means to surprise attach their enemy, but in Beast Wars it was to protect them from excessive amounts of energon.
I understand why they do it, but how do they do it? is it diff. than in the movie? It seems they would need some kind of "morphing" ability.

[Avangarde]

Why do they have cockpits in their Cybertronian alt. modes? Were there some small, human sized aliens native to Cybertron in the comics series?

Of course, the same could be asked of the cartoons as well...

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4701/morethanmeetstheeyepart1hc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6555/mtmte13ca4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love the fact that Prime and the other bots still retain the parts of their earth modes before they went to earth and despite the fact they transformed into alien looking vehicles. It just goes to show why changes are needed for the live action movie to work for a wider array of audiences than just G1, G2 or "G1000: Super Robots Dance, Dance Fight!" fans. The mythology was poorly thought out to begin with. It was the victim of what I like to call toy logic. Toy logic being just enough logic put into the narrative to sell toys.

Transformers use to ride in other Transformers in the series and the movie. I can remember a few autobots climbed into Cosmos and Omega Supreme during the series and Galvatron was in Cyclonus a couple of times to. It comes back to the whole size morphing thing that Transformers was natorious for.

[xwolverine2]

Faithful to G1 yet modernized for a movie.
you love those bright colors dont you?

[Amphibatheatre]

If you collected the toys and ever read those spec cards, you'd understand that Transformers were defined by those specs and capacities, NOT mutant powers. Understanding that, you'd realize that the BETTER analogy is if they gave Wolverine a visor and gave him cyclops' optic blast ability.

Go tell that to the fan who couldn't stand the idea that Wolverine was going to be as tall as Cyclops. Believe me, they're out there and they are probably still upset by it. Go tell that to the people who hated the idea of organic webshooters. If you sit them down and seriously tried to tell them that bumblebee being a camaro is a worse change than wolverine's height and spidermans organics webs then you would be incredibly wrong. The amount of protest those changes brought are equal to the Bumblebee complaints. Do you really think your complaint is greater than theirs was?

Would you be OK with it if they made Starscream a C140 cargo plane. It's military. It's indispensible. But, is it Starscream?


Honestly? I don't give a ****. I think Prime needed to be a semi, whether flatnose or longnose. I think even the producers would say that is the only thing that had to stay the same. Starscream is an F22 so, there ya go. Look bumblebee is the star of this flick. In this adaptation of the story(and, yes, adaptation is the correct term for what they are doing) Bumblebee is a beat up, yellow with black stripes, 70's model camaro. In this day and age you are more likely to find one of those up on blocks than you are a VW bug. Bumblebee is still an underdog. He's found in ajunkyard and probably and his price is probaly negotiated down to nothing. For all purposes for this story Bumblebee is being presented as a far from sought after junker that needs alot of work and not exactly what a teenager in this day and age would think of as a cool car. He is not a hot rod. He is a rundown relic of a bygone era...obsolete. If that car pulled up to a modern day, souped up racer it would be laughed at. In otherwords it would be the underdog. So, what are you complaining about?

[CFlash]

Do you need me to rephrse that? OK.
I don't know how the spec card improves his argument.

Requoted from a different reply:

If you collected the toys and ever read those spec cards, you'd understand that Transformers were defined by those specs and capacities, NOT mutant powers. Understanding that, you'd realize that the BETTER analogy is if they gave Wolverine a visor and gave him cyclops' optic blast ability.

I mean, would you be OK with it if they made Starscream a C140 cargo plane. It's military. It's indispensible. But, is it Starscream?

Now go back and look at the spec card for Bumblebee.

I understand why they do it, but how do they do it? is it diff. than in the movie? It seems they would need some kind of "morphing" ability.

In G1, the ship's main computer (Teletran 1) adapted them based on their intrinsic abilities and physical forms. It found that Bumblebee could suitably transform into a VW bug, Optimus a truck, etc. The computer, however, had been damaged in the crash (long story) so it didn't differentiate between the "dead" Autobots or Decepticons.

[nosebleed.]

you love those bright colors dont you?

It looks damn good. If you like that chickenlegged version of Starscream compared to this one then you'll like crap compared to ice cream.

[Avangarde]

Mostly it has been to blend in with native environments or as a means to surprise attach their enemy, but in Beast Wars it was to protect them from excessive amounts of energon.

They did in both, if you look at the pilot episode for G1, Teletran-1 scanned and rebuild the Transformers into earth vehicles, and we did see some cybertronian versions in the pilot (bumblebee, wheeljack, jazz, soundwave, and some of the decept jets). In the pilot for beast wars we dont see there cybertronian versions but there ship did scan the area for local beasts and fossils to change there forms. Same thing happend when depthchage arrived on earth.

[1987olds442]

I understand why they do it, but how do they do it? is it diff. than in the movie? It seems they would need some kind of "morphing" ability.In Beast Wars they used CR chambers and since then they worked this tech into the comics. But in G1 their bodies were rebuilt by Teletran 1 into Earth based vehicles.

[CFlash]

It looks damn good. If you like that chickenlegged version of Starscream compared to this one then you'll like crap compared to ice cream.

Well, to be fair... even that kickass rendition has weird legs that aren't like anything ever seen in Transformers (except maybe Insecticons). But, it's still good.

[xwolverine2]

It looks damn good. If you like that chickenlegged version of Starscream compared to this one then you'll like crap compared to ice cream.
so you like the bright colors?

[nosebleed.]

They did in both, if you look at the pilot episode for G1, Teletran-1 scanned and rebuild the Transformers into earth vehicles, and we did see some cybertronian versions in the pilot (bumblebee, wheeljack, jazz, soundwave, and some of the decept jets). In the pilot for beast wars we dont see there cybertronian versions but there ship did scan the area for local beasts and fossils to change there forms. Same thing happend when depthchage arrived on earth.

lol...you're telling a walking Transformers encyclopedia about Transformers history just to let you know. Him and WalkingDead have Transformers history on lock.

[nosebleed.]

so you like the bright colors?

The almost blood red? Yeah, I like that color.

[Amphibatheatre]

Why do you keep looking at everything from a child's perspective? Is this the core audience of Bay's movie? Kids? That's not who the teaser trailer was targeted to. It doesn't seem to be targeted toward kids with all the military support, scary designs (Megatron and Starscream) and the PG-13 rating...it seems to be pointed to a general audience. General audience includes a whole damn lot of people who know what Optimus Prime and Megatron look like because those designs go back 22 years. Even my frikkin wife (who knows nothing about Transformers) told me, "That's not Megatron".

I can guarantee you that genral audiences aren't going to give a crap whether bumblebee is a camaro, vw bug, or yellow toaster or StarScream's head is recognizable. If the trailer looks good they will come. If the movie is good then they will come back. Simple as that.

And the reason I was bringing up kids perspectives is because of the generational aspect of Transformer fans and the many incarnations Megatron has taken. A different generation is going to have different views as to what megatron should look like. That's the point I was trying to make not that the film is going to be strictly skewered towards kids.

[1987olds442]

They did in both, if you look at the pilot episode for G1, Teletran-1 scanned and rebuild the Transformers into earth vehicles, and we did see some cybertronian versions in the pilot (bumblebee, wheeljack, jazz, soundwave, and some of the decept jets). In the pilot for beast wars we dont see there cybertronian versions but there ship did scan the area for local beasts and fossils to change there forms. Same thing happend when depthchage arrived on earth.Thanks but I wasn't asking for any information... SilentType was the one wanting information.

[Avangarde]

The almost blood red? Yeah, I like that color.

Ah crap I quoted the wrong person. I'll have to edit it.

[Avangarde]

Thanks but I wasn't asking for any information... SilentType was the one wanting information.

Yeah I know it was him I was trying to quote, I pressed the wrong button

[1987olds442]

lol...you're telling a walking Transformers encyclopedia about Transformers history just to let you know. Him and WalkingDead have Transformers history on lock.Thanks for the props my friend...

[1987olds442]

Yeah I know it was him I was trying to quote, I pressed the wrong buttonNo prob, it happens :up:

[bunk]

This is just an open question everybody: Would you rather it was a less important decepticon coming to earth as an alien jet and being frozen allowing megs to come to earth with the others and establish a more traditional alt mode for himself? Would that ease yuns pain if it was someone else?

[1987olds442]

I can guarantee you that genral audiences aren't going to give a crap whether bumblebee is a camaro, vw bug, or yellow toaster or StarScream's head is recognizable. If the trailer looks good they will come. If the movie is good then they will come back. Simple as that.

And the reason I was bringing up kids perspectives is because of the generational aspect of Transformer fans and the many incarnations Megatron has taken. A different generation is going to have different views as to what megatron should look like. That's the point I was trying to make not that the film is going to be strictly skewered towards kids.Actually people that know nothing about the Transformers may question why they are calling a Character that changes into a Camaro "Bumblebee"... This could be the reason for the bug like head... hmmm

[nosebleed.]

I can gurantee you that genral audiences aren't going to give a crap whether bumblebee is a camaro, vw bug, or yellow toaster or StarScream's head is recognizable. If the trailer looks good they will come. If the movie is good then they will come back. Simple as that.

You obviously don't know the scope of Transformers influence on males (and some females) who grew up in the 80s...along with He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats and countless other franchises. We're talking about men who are about 27-34 years old with families now. That is a big chunk of the viewing audience right there. They may be only familiar with Transformers, but I guarantee you if you show them a picture of G1 Megatron or Optimus that they will know its a Transformer.

And the reason I was bringing up kids perspectives is because of the generational aspect of Transformer fans and the many incarnations Megatron has taken. A differnt generatiopn is going to have differnt views as to what megatron should look like. That's the point I was trying to make nott hat the film is going to be strictly skewered towards kids.

All the different incarnations Megatron has taken has NEVER been as drastic of a change as the design they are using for the movie...it is a totally different character save the name.

[Amphibatheatre]

Actually people that know nothing about the Transformers may question why they are calling a Character that changes into a Camaro "Bumblebee"... This could be the reason for the bug like head... hmmm

Or maybe it's the fact that he's yellow with black stripes...you, know, kind of like a bumblebee.

[nosebleed.]

Or maybe it's the fact that he's yellow with black stripes...you, know, kind of like a bumblebee.

Nice reach you got there.

[Spark]

That's "specific" and "semantic", not "moronic". If you're going to insult me, insult me. Don't be a pussy about it.
You're calling me a pussy for not insulting in the manner you're clearly accustomed to? Lol. That pretty much sums up the futility of arguing with a moron.

There's part of me hoping that was the first sign of a sense of humour but I honestly think it's beyond your capacity. :oldrazz:
Wow. Because I clearly must have had no idea what shrapnel was prior to you using it to describe Megatron's body pieces. Which is of course why I took exception to your use of the word to describe Megatron.


I see. So...once again...Megatron's pieces are shrapnel why, then? He's not an exploded bomb or a shell loaded with small pellets. He's an alien jet. I thought that the shrapnel's form as designed by the weapon? And a jet is a vehicle. Not a weapon.

Moron.

But hey, just for kicks, let's look at the dictionary definitions of shrapnel and apply them to your argument about Megatron.


Megatron is not a projectile that consists of a case provided with a powder charge...he also does not seem to contain lead balls, which would consitite a particular kind of shrapnel...small round ones. You seem to have associated Megatron's parts with the more jagged kind of shrapnel. So...this definition...since he's not a bomb, and the shrapnel is not pieces of one...is also not applicable to Megatron.
Man, you're so dense. I was clearly talking about Megatron's visual asthetic, not his actual constitution since the discussion was centred on his look. I doubt anyone believes a Cybertronian engineer gathered a load of rubble together and form the world's most fearsome killing machine.

I'm sure you'll run each and every word through an online translator in the hopes of twisting my post beyond all recognition but I can't say I'll bite. :cwink:
A bag of unrecognisable shrapnel on legs does not constitute a Transformer.

[1987olds442]

or maybe it's the fact that he's yellow with black stripes...Nope that will not register with people because... it's a Camaro not a Mopar.

[Amphibatheatre]

You obviously don't know the scope of Transformers influence on males (and some females) who grew up in the 80s...along with He-Man, GI Joe, Thundercats and countless other franchises. We're talking about men who are about 27-34 years old with families now. That is a big chunk of the viewing audience right there. They may be only familiar with Transformers, but I guarantee you if you show them a picture of G1 Megatron or Optimus that they will know its a Transformer.


Sigh, online fans have always overestimated their actual influence on the properties they are fans of. Whether it be negative influence or positive influence on the box office. Spiderman fans swore to boycott the film, x-men fans swore they wouldn't see x-men 3 and Serenity fans swore to make that film a hit. None of it mattered If an audience wants to see a film they won't care what people on the internet think.

[nosebleed.]

Sigh, online fans have always overestimated their actual influence on the properties they are fans of. Whether it be negative influence or positive influence on the box office. Spiderman fans swore to boycott the film, x-men fans swore they wouldn't see x-men 3 and Serenity fans swore to make that film a hit. None of it mattered If an audience wants to see a film they won't care what people on the internet think.

Sigh, you completely misunderstood my post.

So pretty much all your arguments mount up to, "I will watch WHATEVER Bay puts out".

[1987olds442]

Sigh, online fans have always overestimated their actual influence on the properties they are fans of. Whether it be negative influence or positive influence on the box office. Spiderman fans swore to boycott the film, x-men fans swore they wouldn't see x-men 3 and Serenity fans swore to make that film a hit. None of it mattered If an audience wants to see a film they won't care what people on the internet think.Funny thing is that these people you think have no influence helped to get Cullen on this movie :joker:

[1987olds442]

Sigh, you completely misunderstood my post.

So pretty much all your arguments mount up to, "I will watch WHATEVER Bay puts out".I like to watch some of Bay's movies as well... The last one I watched was "The Island" I thought it was pretty good myself.

[Avangarde]

Funny thing is that these people you think have no influence helped to get Cullen on this movie :joker:

That may be so, hopefully our influence will help to get other original voice casts in ie. Frank Welker.

[Spark]

Funny thing is that these people you think have no influence helped to get Cullen on this movie :joker:
Yep. They're also the reason many of the Decepticons characters are more aptly chosen.

[Amphibatheatre]

Also, although this is a Micahel Bay film and may have darker elements this is a film that is going to live or die based on kids. You want to know why spider-man made 400 million? Kids. When kids see a giant robot transforming into a car in the trailer they are going to be all over it. So, although you may want to imagine that this is a film only directed at grownup fans who remember the show from when they were young then you are very mistaken. and if you ARE one of those fans who now has kids of your own you are in no way going to keep your kids from taking them to see the film because you are upset at the fact thae Bumblebee is a camaro. go, ahead look into their tear filled eyes and explain to them that daddy or mommy aren't taking them to see Transformers because they had the nerve to change Bumblebee's alt mode. Ridiculous.

[1987olds442]

Too bad they didn't use the new 2007 Dodge Charger Superbee for Bumblebee's alt mold.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2006/chicago/superbee.jpg

[Amphibatheatre]

Sigh, you completely misunderstood my post.

So pretty much all your arguments mount up to, "I will watch WHATEVER Bay puts out".

Where the hell did you get that from what I typed? Seriously, talk about misunderstanding a post.

[Avangarde]

Too bad they didn't use the new 2007 Dodge Charger Superbee for Bumblebee's alt mold.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2006/chicago/superbee.jpg

I love the new Charger, although I don't mind the Camaro.

[1987olds442]

That may be so, hopefully our influence will help to get other original voice casts in ie. Frank Welker.That would be great if Welker gets to reprise his role as Megatron.

[Saint]

Is his name Megatron? Was a toy made after that character design also named Megatron? To the kid that played with that toy and has no idea about G1 that IS Megatron. Does that kid care if the producers said G1 or beast wars? No, they just know transformers and the names, like Optimus and Megatron. The names are brands in themselves not just single iconic characters. That was the point I was making.
You vastly underestimate the intelligence of children. I was ten years old when Beast Wars came out (1996)), and I knew the difference. So did all my peers at the time.

Regardless, I wasn't attacking your point--which I largely agree with. I was just pointing out that the Megatron in that picture is Megatron II, not the Megatron in any other incarnation.

[Amphibatheatre]

Regardless, I wasn't attacking your point--which I largely agree with. I was just pointing out that the Megatron in that picture is Megatron II, not the Megatron in any other incarnation.

Ah, ok, sorry for the vitriol. you'd think it was an actual warzone in here.

[1987olds442]

I love the new Charger, although I don't mind the Camaro.It would have just made more since to use a Mopar since they are know for having the "Superbee"... And it's a vehicle that is already in production.

[1987olds442]

They even could have kept the same story about being upgraded and his first alt mode could have been a 1969 Superbee.
http://www.american-musclecar.com/images/amcimages/69sbee/69%20Superbee%20front%202.jpg

[nosebleed.]

Also, although this is a Micahel Bay film and may have darker elements this is a film that is going to live or die based on kids. You want to know why spider-man made 400 million? Kids. When kids see a giant robot transforming into a car in the trailer they are going to be all over it. So, although you may want to imagine that this is a film only directed at grownup fans who remember the show from when they were young then you are very mistaken. and if you ARE one of those fans who now has kids of your own you are in no way going to keep your kids from taking them to see the film because you are upset at the fact thae Bumblebee is a camaro. go, ahead look into their tear filled eyes and explain to them that daddy or mommy aren't taking them to see Transformers because they had the nerve to change Bumblebee's alt mode. Ridiculous.

Yup...that's how Titanic made its box office...kids.

So, although you may want to imagine that this is a film only directed at grownup fans who remember the show from when they were young then you are very mistaken.

Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

[nosebleed.]

I like to watch some of Bay's movies as well... The last one I watched was "The Island" I thought it was pretty good myself.

I liked The Island as well but mainly I was talking about what Bay puts out in regards to Transformers.

[1987olds442]

You vastly underestimate the intelligence of children. I was ten years old when Beast Wars came out (1996)), and I knew the difference. So did all my peers at the time.

Regardless, I wasn't attacking your point--which I largely agree with. I was just pointing out that the Megatron in that picture is Megatron II, not the Megatron in any other incarnation.That was such a well written show. I miss cartoons that are written in a manner in which they actually treat the audience as having reasonable level of intelligence. I haven’t been able to stomach a Transformer series since the final season of Beast Wars.

[Amphibatheatre]

Yup...that's how Titanic made its box office...kids.

Yup...kids. Young girls to be more precise. Young girls fawning over Leonardo Dicaprio. Like kids will be fawning over giant robots in 2007.

[nosebleed.]

Where the hell did you get that from what I typed? Seriously, talk about misunderstanding a post.

For someone who so ardently defends every single aspect of this movie you could have fooled me.

[1987olds442]

I liked The Island as well but mainly I was talking about what Bay puts out in regards to Transformers.Understood :up:

[Avangarde]

They even could have kept the same story about being upgraded and his first alt mode could have been a 1969 Superbee.
http://www.american-musclecar.com/images/amcimages/69sbee/69%20Superbee%20front%202.jpg

I'd love to see what Bumblebee would look like in his robot form from this :D

[Amphibatheatre]

Thanks for putting words into my mouth.


Well, you certainly didn't hesitate to put words into mine...



So pretty much all your arguments mount up to, "I will watch WHATEVER Bay puts out".

[nosebleed.]

I'd love to see what Bumblebee would look like in his robot form from this :D

No way man, there's no product placement opportunity there at all.

[nosebleed.]

Well, you certainly didn't hesitate to put words into mine...

refer to post #3351.

[Amphibatheatre]

For someone who so ardently defends every single aspect of this movie you could have fooled me.


If the final film sucks then I'll be the first one here to declare my dislike of it. But, I've not read the script nor have I seen the final film. I wouldn't call that defending Micahel Bay, I would call it not judging the film before I've seen a single frame from said film.

[1987olds442]

Yup...kids. Young girls to be more precise. Young girls fawning over Leonardo Dicaprio. Like kids will be fawning over giant robots in 2007.I never understood the excitement over that movie. There was so many real stories that could have been told that were actually true, but they chose to write a fictional love story. I'm proud to say that I have never seen it or will ever see that movie.

[1987olds442]

I'd love to see what Bumblebee would look like in his robot form from this :DYou and me both :up:

[nosebleed.]

If the final film sucks then I'll be the first one here to declare my dislike of it. But, I've not read the script nor have I seen the final film. I wouldn't call that defending Micahel Bay, I would call it not judging the film before I've seen a single frame from said film.

I have not judged this film yet either. But the design elements of this film that we've seen so far leave something to be desired IMO.

[nosebleed.]

I never understood the excitement over that movie. There was so many real stories that could have been told that were actually true, but they chose to write a fictional love story. I'm proud to say that I have never seen it or will ever see that movie.

Have you seen Bay's Pearl Harbor?

[Amphibatheatre]

I have not judged this film yet either. But the design elements of this film that we've seen so far leave something to be desired IMO.

Fair enough.

[Amphibatheatre]

Have you seen Bay's Pearl Harbor?


Brrr, just mentioning that film sent a cold chill down my spine. I'm not as big of a Bay defender as you may believe. Especially when it comes to that movie.

[1987olds442]

I have not judged this film yet either. But the design elements of this film that we've seen so far leave something to be desired IMO.Personally, I also think they went way to alien with a lot of the designs. They could have done a nice blend between the bio-mechanical robots which they have shown up thus far and either designs like that in the new IDW comics, or the alternators/masterpiece designs. Everyone could have accepted something like that a lot easier and still looked believable....

[1987olds442]

Have you seen Bay's Pearl Harbor?I haven't... If I remember correctly didn't they add things to the story that never happened.

[CFlash]

This is just an open question everybody: Would you rather it was a less important decepticon coming to earth as an alien jet and being frozen allowing megs to come to earth with the others and establish a more traditional alt mode for himself? Would that ease yuns pain if it was someone else?

Yes. He'd be Shockwave, and it would be a very nice take or "adaptation" on the original story. Shockwave was also one of the "weirder" looking robots too.

[nosebleed.]

I haven't... If I remember correctly didn't they add things to the story that never happened.

Bay's version of Titanic.

[CFlash]

Sigh, online fans have always overestimated their actual influence on the properties they are fans of. Whether it be negative influence or positive influence on the box office. Spiderman fans swore to boycott the film, x-men fans swore they wouldn't see x-men 3 and Serenity fans swore to make that film a hit. None of it mattered If an audience wants to see a film they won't care what people on the internet think.

I think you may be right... but none of those factoids make a movie good. Godzilla made its money back and then some... but it was (and is) universally derided, sequels were shelved (that's a fact), and tons of toys were dragged out stores in crates due to low sales.

I went to go see X3. I didn't hate it. But, it sure as heck wasn't "good." I didn't go back to see it a second time, probably won't buy the DVD, and really couldn't say much else about that movie.

So, in short... people may and probably will go see this film. As to whether this film will be GOOD and actually inspire people and/or establish a new franchise is the question. It could! But, does that really seem likely given what we've seen so far and given Bay's track record? Really?

[CFlash]

Also, although this is a Micahel Bay film and may have darker elements this is a film that is going to live or die based on kids. You want to know why spider-man made 400 million? Kids. When kids see a giant robot transforming into a car in the trailer they are going to be all over it. So, although you may want to imagine that this is a film only directed at grownup fans who remember the show from when they were young then you are very mistaken. and if you ARE one of those fans who now has kids of your own you are in no way going to keep your kids from taking them to see the film because you are upset at the fact thae Bumblebee is a camaro. go, ahead look into their tear filled eyes and explain to them that daddy or mommy aren't taking them to see Transformers because they had the nerve to change Bumblebee's alt mode. Ridiculous.

And being unfaithful to the original characters helps this how? Wouldn't the little kid want to go see the movie regardless of whether Starscream looked like Starscream or not?

And, plus, my daughter couldn't care less about Transformers. She'd rather see Pirates and Harry Potter.

[1987olds442]

Bay's version of Titanic.I might be just to big of a fan of the History Channel, but you know when they make a movie about something that actually happened...how about actually using factual events :confused:

[Amphibatheatre]

So, in short... people may and probably will go see this film. As to whether this film will be GOOD and actually inspire people and/or establish a new franchise is the question. It could! But, does that really seem likely given what we've seen so far and given Bay's track record? Really?


Oh, I'm definitely not saying the film WILL be good. Even the greatest director is capable of making a terrible film. Bay isn't really even a good director much less great so the odds of a poor final film are definitely higher than Bay making a good one. So far, IMO, the designs aren't a deal breaker. I understand that others feel differently but until I see actual footage and am able to gauge the tone and quality of the film then I can't just come out and bash it. I mean, geezzz, it's giant robots! I'm not expecting Bergman or Fellini just something that I'm not entirely embarrased to be seen in the theatre watching.

[nosebleed.]

Personally, I also think they went way to alien with a lot of the designs. They could have done a nice blend between the bio-mechanical robots which they have shown up thus far and either designs like that in the new IDW comics, or the alternators/masterpiece designs. Everyone could have accepted something like that a lot easier and still looked believable....

Masterpiece series...best Transformers toys ever. I could even see an F-22 model of Masterpiece Starscream working in a more faithful G1 movie.

In all honesty, this movie will appease to general audience because when most people think of Transformers they think, "Big fighting robots destroying everything in their paths". Plus the fact that the original intention for the cartoon was to sell toys. The comic, though great on its own, takes a backseat to the cartoon in terms of audience. So really and truly the phenomenon has survived so long because of merchandise. But what I was hoping for was a real Transformers movie that could have become more than just a 2 hour long toy/product placement ad. And I think that if they had gotten a Transformers fan as a director instead of just another person who wants to make money off of Transformers, then we could have gotten a TRUE Transformers movie.

Is that hoping too much? Apparently it is.

Will I still watch this movie? Yes I will. I have a daughter who loves Transformers: The Movie and she eagerly awaits this one too. I just hope I'm wrong in my gut instinct that this movie will disappoint.

[Amphibatheatre]

Wouldn't the little kid want to go see the movie regardless of whether Starscream looked like Starscream or not?

Um, yeah, that was kind of my point.

[nosebleed.]

Oh, I'm definitely not saying the film WILL be good. Even the greatest director is capable of making a terrible film. Bay isn't really even a good director much less great so the odds of a poor final film are definitely higher than Bay making a good one. So far, IMO, the designs aren't a deal breaker. I understand that others feel differently but until I see actual footage and am able to gauge the tone and quality of the film then I can't just come out and bash it. I mean, geezzz, it's giant robots! I'm not expecting Bergman or Fellini just something that I'm not entirely embarrased to be seen in the theatre watching.

Agreed, this is not a movie for an actor to get his first Oscar...but I was hoping for Star Wars type treatment (originals, not prequels) of a good mix of sci-fi, action, story and special effects. Bay MIGHT be trying to go for this but I doubt it. His financial intentions regarding this movie leave me doubting that he's doing everything in this movie for the sake of the story and modernization.

[CFlash]

I never understood the excitement over that movie. There was so many real stories that could have been told that were actually true, but they chose to write a fictional love story. I'm proud to say that I have never seen it or will ever see that movie.

You mean Titanic? Well, I had to endure that movie with my girl at the time and all I can say is that while I hope to never be suckered into watching it again.... it was very very well done. Did I say it was well done? I think I had a tear in my eye at one point.

I also endured Pearl Harbor in the theater (pretty much same plot, different setting) and all I can say is that movie was not only insulting in so many ways but horrendously bad and cliched. It was so bad, that it was entertaining! (let's count how many times the audience groans at the dialog!) Sadly, you shouldn't be able to say that about a tragic event like that.

[1987olds442]

And being unfaithful to the original characters helps this how? Wouldn't the little kid want to go see the movie regardless of whether Starscream looked like Starscream or not?

And, plus, my daughter couldn't care less about Transformers. She'd rather see Pirates and Harry Potter. As for an example of the power of the fans of this franchise...Beast Wars was a very popular series great stories, great character development, etc. But when Beast Machines came along the writers threw all the great character development and stories from Beast Wars in the trash. The fans hated what had happened to beloved characters from Beast Wars. Action figure sales dropped drastically, hate mail flooded in, etc., etc... This caused Hasbro to cancel the series that was set to follow up the Beast Machines fiasco. Of course the fandom is now stuck with the imported crappie cartoons from Japan now...so we all lost on that ordeal.

[Avangarde]

Heads up people look what I found. Scene displays of the action in down town LA. All the Transformers are there :) if you look closely.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike001.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike001.jpg)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike002.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike002.jpg)

I believe the TF are as follows from top left to bottom right: Megatron, Frenzy (look by Megatron's left left), Starscream (it looks like there are 3 Transformers behind him on your left - look for the white stands that these prop pieces are on), Ratchet (to the right of Starscream next to the building ... though I'm not 100% sure), Bonecrusher (??? - bottom left corner), Bumblebee and Jazz. If I have any of this information incorrect, please post in this thread what it should be.

[Amphibatheatre]

Agreed, this is not a movie for an actor to get his first Oscar...but I was hoping for Star Wars type treatment (originals, not prequels) of a good mix of sci-fi, action, story and special effects. Bay MIGHT be trying to go for this but I doubt it. His financial intentions regarding this movie leave me doubting that he's doing everything in this movie for the sake of the story and modernization.

Thankfully, we found something we can agree on. While it would be cool for someone to step up and make an epic Transformer film in the mode of Star wars or Lord of the Rings I don't think it was ever really in the cards. bay needs to concentrate on making us care about Sam and Bumblebee. If he pulls that off I think the film can be a success despite the changes that have angered the fans.

[SingItWithMeNow]

wow! look at that! it looks like Optimus surrounded by the Deceptacons

[1987olds442]

Heads up people look what I found. Scene displays of the action in down town LA. All the Transformers are there :) if you look closely.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike001.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike001.jpg)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike002.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike002.jpg)I noticed those over at Tfw2005 and Tformers... So it looks like they will be having a battle scene in a city street....interesting

[Amphibatheatre]

Heads up people look what I found. Scene displays of the action in down town LA. All the Transformers are there :) if you look closely.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike001.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike001.jpg)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike002.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike002.jpg)

Well, there's are first look at Jazz. Looks like he has the basic head design intact. starscream looks massive there. I suppose that's Brawl down in front or am I wrong? Thanks for the pics.

[nosebleed.]

Heads up people look what I found. Scene displays of the action in down town LA. All the Transformers are there :) if you look closely.
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike001.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike001.jpg)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike002.jpg (http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike002.jpg)

Wow!! Good find!!

UGH...Starscream's even uglier than the toy!!

Who is that in the foreground?

[DOG LIPS]

Schweet. Who is that huge ass guy?

[1987olds442]

Schweet. Who is that huge ass guy?I think the one you are referring to is Starscream...

[nosebleed.]

I think the one you are referring to is Starscream...

I feel like ripping my eyes out.

[Avangarde]

I'll try and put pointers on the picture for all the characters

[Amphibatheatre]

I feel like ripping my eyes out.

heh, It's going to be all right man. We'll make it through this.

[CFlash]

Oh, I'm definitely not saying the film WILL be good. Even the greatest director is capable of making a terrible film. Bay isn't really even a good director much less great so the odds of a poor final film are definitely higher than Bay making a good one. So far, IMO, the designs aren't a deal breaker. I understand that others feel differently but until I see actual footage and am able to gauge the tone and quality of the film then I can't just come out and bash it. I mean, geezzz, it's giant robots! I'm not expecting Bergman or Fellini just something that I'm not entirely embarrased to be seen in the theatre watching.

Well, I was hoping for a sci-fi movie that is thought-provoking and not cliche-ridden. And, also one where I feel a nostalgic AFFINITY for the characters.

Let me put it this way, I thought Godzilla 98 was a pretty darn good movie on its own merits. I thought it would have been a better sequel to Jurassic Park (no joke!) than what Spielberg gave us with JP2 (I love Spielberg... but he freakin phoned in that movie) But, as a Godzilla fan, every time I think about what that movie COULD have been, it breaks my heart and I just can't help but dislike the movie.

This movie is going down the same track IMHO.

[DOG LIPS]

Dude, Starscream is a freakin' juggernaut compared to Jazz. :csad: Is that Jazz there? Or Frenzy?

I'm so confused. :csad:

[1987olds442]

I feel like ripping my eyes out.But they are.......... EXTREME!!! YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO LOVE THE NEW EXTREME LOOK OF THE NEW EXTREME TRANSFORMERS!!!!!!













sorry couldn't help myself.....LOL

[Amphibatheatre]

:csad: Is that Jazz there? Or Frenzy?

I'm so confused. :csad:

Nah, that's jazz. Frenzy would be so small within this scale model that he probably wouldn't be visible.

[Stringer]

Someone label who's who on the pic......

[1987olds442]

Dude, Starscream is a freakin' juggernaut compared to Jazz. :csad: Is that Jazz there? Or Frenzy?

I'm so confused. :csad:I believe the one you are thinking of now is indeed Jazz... You know, I wonder what kind of voice they will end up giving Jazz...

[nosebleed.]

I just showed my wife this and she said, "Starscream looks like a gorilla. His high voice is definitely not going to go with that body". LOL! I'm such a geek, showing my wife this crap.

My eyes are now laying next to my laptop though.

[Mentok]

Jazz looks liek a robot that turns into a car :up:

[DOG LIPS]

Even though it will probably just make me cry, I'd really like to see some high-res pics of this. :csad:

[1987olds442]

Dude, Starscream is a freakin' juggernaut compared to Jazz.LOL ... I just had a funny thought...













I'M STARSCREAM B***H!!!!!!

[DOG LIPS]

Jazz looks liek a robot that turns into a car :up:
Hooray!


LOL ... I just had a funny thought...


I'M STARSCREAM B***H!!!!!!
Please don't give Bay any ideas. :csad:

[Amphibatheatre]

Jazz looks liek a robot that turns into a car :up:

Yeah, he seems to be the closest to the original designs. Well, not in color, I just mean having the front of the car as his chest and all.

[Avangarde]

grrrrr I have labled all the characters but the upload wont work, sorry

[Stringer]

Jazz looks liek a robot that turns into a car :up:
Well he is Jazz afterall:up:

[1987olds442]

I just showed my wife this and she said, "Starscream looks like a gorilla. His high voice is definitely not going to go with that body". LOL! I'm such a geek, showing my wife this crap.

My eyes are now laying next to my laptop though.Someone on another board pointed out that his bot mode looks a lot like Beast Wars Rampage and I have to agree... They even did a Digibash in Rampage's colors. I posted it here a few pages back. And from what I understand from this story and the size comparisons between the characters Rampage would make more since... But alas it suppose to be Starscream.

[nosebleed.]

Who's behind "Megatron" and "Starscream".


Man, it hurts to even call them those names.

[DOG LIPS]

I wish we could see Jazz's face, but he does look promising.

[Stringer]

Yeah Starscream is really funked up. Whats going on with his head? He looks like a freakin ghoul.

[CFlash]

Heads up people look what I found. Scene displays of the action in down town LA. All the Transformers are there if you look closely.

http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/r_autobotspike002.jpg


I believe the TF are as follows from top left to bottom right: Megatron, Frenzy (look by Megatron's left left), Starscream (it looks like there are 3 Transformers behind him on your left - look for the white stands that these prop pieces are on), Ratchet (to the right of Starscream next to the building ... though I'm not 100% sure), Bonecrusher (??? - bottom left corner), Bumblebee and Jazz. If I have any of this information incorrect, please post in this thread what it should be.

Poor Jazz got put in the Minibot team. How degrading that must have been. It's like being knocked back to JV after having been on the Varsity team.

[1987olds442]

Who's behind "Megatron" and "Starscream".


Man, it hurts to even call them those names.I would say one is Brawl and I'm not sure on the other is... I just noticed your post count 4,422 Nice!!! :up:

[Avangarde]

The huge guy in the front left is Barricade

[DOG LIPS]

At least Starscream has hands in this pic. :csad::up:

[zer00]

ewwwww

Starscream looks even worse:(

Jazz appears to look good. And is most Transformers like..which is funny considering he dies

The autobots look pretty good...but jesus do the cons look like **** and...well nothing like the cons.

[Avangarde]

The guy on the far back right is rachet and on his left is either Ironhide or Brawl

[zer00]

The huge guy in the front left is Barricade

Looks like Brawl to me

[Stringer]

ewwwww

Starscream looks even worse:(

Jazz appears to look good. And is most Transformers like..which is funny considering he dies

The autobots look pretty good...but jesus do the cons look like **** and...well nothing like the cons.
Rather symbolic isnt it?

[1987olds442]

I wish we could see Jazz's face, but he does look promising.Same here this I believe is the first pictures that have been shown of Jazz's robot mode... I like what I see so far.








Oh yeah...






I'M STARSCREAM B***H!!!!!!

[zer00]

Is it me or does "Starscream's" head look a bit like General Grievous:confused:

[CFlash]

ewwwww

Starscream looks even worse:(

Jazz appears to look good. And is most Transformers like..which is funny considering he dies

The autobots look pretty good...but jesus do the cons look like **** and...well nothing like the cons.

Dude, you gotta stop. You're killing me.
I know I don't HAVE to click on the stupid spoiler button, but... argh!
:mad:

[Avangarde]

Looks like Brawl to me

Wayyyyy to big for brawl, brawl is a cop car so he would be around the size of BB, I think it may be him in the back.

The front guy is the tank character Barricade.

[nosebleed.]

I would say one is Brawl and I'm not sure on the other is... I just noticed your post count 4,422 Nice!!! :up:

Forever immortalized on this page...or at least until photobucket decides to mess up.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/postcount.jpg

[zer00]

Rather symbolic isnt it?

Jesus you're right


I say we get in the TMNT van and raid don Murphy's....parent's basement.

[1987olds442]

Forever immortalized on this page...or at least until photobucket decides to mess up.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/postcount.jpgNICE!

[nosebleed.]

Dude, you gotta stop. You're killing me.
I know I don't HAVE to click on the stupid spoiler button, but... argh!
:mad:

Lol...I'm pretty proud of myself this time. This is one time I didn't click on it...probably because I'm so shocked at the sight of Starscream looking even worse than the model.

[zer00]

Wayyyyy to big for brawl, brawl is a cop car so he would be around the size of BB, I think it may be him in the back.

The front guy is the tank character Barricade.

No.

Brawl is the tank.

Barricade is the police car.

[Amphibatheatre]

Wayyyyy to big for brawl, brawl is a cop car so he would be around the size of BB, I think it may be him in the back.

The front guy is the tank character Barricade.


You've got the names backwards. Brawl is the tank(the big guy in front) Barricade is the cop car. That's probably him in the back.

[CFlash]

Jesus you're right


I say we get in the TMNT van and raid don Murphy's....parent's basement.

All you'll find is the cage they used to keep him in.

[DOG LIPS]

Lol...I'm pretty proud of myself this time. This is one time I didn't click on it...probably because I'm so shocked at the sight of Starscream looking even worse than the model.
I dunno, I think he looks better. It's kind of dark in here, but he has hands and it looks like he actually has a face, and....















Oh hell. *Cries*

[tkenji69]

Dayuuumm... starscream is one big mofo... he should be the leader of the decepticons... this could be good.

[1987olds442]

I'm Starscream B***h!!!!

[pai314]

The huge guy in the front left is Barricade

agreed...you can make out the tank tread on his chest...

also concerning Starscream...IMO he is as huge as he is because for the majority of the movie he acts as the stand-in leader of the decepticons, however, I fail to see why they gave him Spawns head?!

[CFlash]

Dog Lips avatar is the only thing that keeps cheering me up in this forum.

[Avangarde]

You've got the names backwards. Brawl is the tank(the big guy in front) Barricade is the cop car. That's probably him in the back.

Yes you are right. I stand corrected.

[Gold Samurai]

no ironhide? wonder where he is

[1987olds442]

no ironhide? wonder where he isHe maybe the black bot behind Starscream....

[DOG LIPS]

Dog Lips avatar is the only thing that keeps cheering me up in this forum.
Yes, it makes you feel as if you're not alone in your psychotic laughter. :csad:

[Avangarde]

no ironhide? wonder where he is

There is a chance that the guy next to Rachet is Ironhide not Barricade

[zer00]

agreed...you can make out the tank tread on his chest...

also concerning Starscream...IMO he is as huge as he is because for the majority of the movie he acts as the stand-in leader of the decepticons, however, I fail to see why they gave him Spawns head?!

BRAWL is the tank.

Starscream isn't in the movie..until right there...so

[nosebleed.]

Yes, it makes you feel as if you're not alone in your psychotic laughter. :csad:

I'm getting delusional. If feels like he's Bay, and he's laughing at us.

[zer00]

BB...almost looks like he has wings.

[pai314]

BRAWL is the tank.

Starscream isn't in the movie..until right there...so

oops yeah I keep on mixing up brawl and barricade for some reason

[Amphibatheatre]

Didn't label Starscream, Prme or Bumblebee but here are my guesses as to identity of bots...http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2125/autobotspike00anv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[1987olds442]

Here are links to higher rez versions of the pictures...
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike001.jpg
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/autobotspike002.jpg

[CFlash]

BB...almost looks like he has wings.

Not only that, but it looks like he's getting set to flutter away.

[pai314]

hey anyone notice that bumblebee looks shorter than jazz...oh wait maybe it's when his legs have been lopped off

[Spark]

Well Starscream looks like utter garbage but I was expecting that.

Jazz is looking good though, as is Ratchet and possibly Ironhide (behind Starscream I presume, since he's too big for a Carbot like Barricade).

Blackout is behind Megatron for the person who asked.

[zer00]

Ratchet, Prime, and Jazz are the best looking ones

still 50/50 on BB...I was cool until I saw his face

but I don't get why all the characters couldn't get that treatment?

Jazz Prime and Ratchet are how you translate these characters to the screen look wise. Why did they feel the need to **** on everyone else?

[DOG LIPS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/scream1.jpg

[1987olds442]

...






I'm Starscream B***h!!!!!!

[zer00]

hey anyone notice that bumblebee looks shorter than jazz...oh wait maybe it's when his legs have been lopped off

Nope

in the movieverse Jazz is the shortest

[Avangarde]

Didn't label Starscream, Prme or Bumblebee but here are my guesses as to identity of bots...http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2125/autobotspike00anv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks thats what I had but wouldn't load up for some reason, cheers. Also do u notice the pic of OP is that old one with the arm mounted gun.

[Amphibatheatre]

Quite a difference in the head on that Starscream than the toy prototype.

[DOG LIPS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/booooo.jpg

[Stringer]

Why is he bald?

[Amphibatheatre]

Thanks thats what I had but wouldn't load up for some reason, cheers. Also do u notice the pic of OP is that old one with the arm mounted gun.


Yeah, but this is just a mock-up for figuring out shots and scale for everyone working on the film. They could just be using work in progress designs for the little cutouts. I honestly don't know.

[Avangarde]

Isn't this thread worth a Sticky yet?

[Amphibatheatre]

Why is he bald?

Stress?

[muscaremy]

why is it jazz and ratchet are the only two with normal lookin robo feet

[1987olds442]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/booooo.jpgThat isn't going to be what is catch phrase is going to be.







It's going to be...









I'M STARSCREAM B***H!!!!!!

[zer00]

Seriously does BB have wings? Or atleast parts that represent wings?

[1987olds442]

Seriously does BB have wings? Or atleast parts that represent wings?From the picture it looks like those are his doors.

[zer00]

And does Ironhide/Blackout have a dragon head arm:confused:

did someone throw BW Megs in there seriously wtf

[Spark]

Jazz Prime and Ratchet are how you translate these characters to the screen look wise. Why did they feel the need to **** on everyone else?
That's the most frustrating thing. Hopefully it just means they have less to change by getting them half right because it could've been much worse by the looks of things.

Oh and it looks like they accidently homaged Bumblebee's crappy box art. ;)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4356/bumblebee02yz0.jpg
*Starscream*
Funny how people get fired for leaking this stuff but no one gets fired for creating it.

[Gold Samurai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/scream1.jpg




http://www.badplanet.com/bpimages/9206s.jpg


someone had to do it lol

[Amphibatheatre]

Seriously does BB have wings? Or atleast parts that represent wings?

It's possible, I guess, although I don't know why they didn't have them attached to the full scale prop they built. Unless they just hadn't affixed them yet.

[nosebleed.]

Stress?

LOL...what's he got to stress about? He's so buff! Kinda like Hulk Hogan.

[1987olds442]

why is it jazz and ratchet are the only two with normal lookin robo feetBecause they are not as EXTREME as the other Bots.

[zer00]

From the picture it looks like those are his doors.

I guess because he's not a bug they decided he needed to look LIKE a bee.

[DOG LIPS]

LOL...what's he got to stress about? He's so buff! Kinda like Hulk Hogan.
Then the steroids are to blame. For shame. :csad:

[nosebleed.]

Because they are not as EXTREME as the other Bots.

Its true. They are EXTREME...and they drink Mt Dew just to prove it. *waits for product placement*

[Amphibatheatre]

LOL...what's he got to stress about? He's so buff! Kinda like Hulk Hogan.


He may have body dismorphic disorder.

[Amphibatheatre]

And does Ironhide/Blackout have a dragon head arm:confused:

did someone throw BW Megs in there seriously wtf


Mind pointing out what your referencing here? I'm not sure what your talking about.

[1987olds442]

Its true. They are EXTREME...and they drink Mt Dew just to prove it. *waits for product placement*Energon is for wussy bots...EXTREME BOTS DO THE DEW!!!!

[zer00]

Mind pointing out what your referencing here? I'm not sure what your talking about.

Look between "Starscream" and "Megatron"

[zer00]

Latta: *rolls*

[muscaremy]

ey zer00 i just noticed sumtin bout ur av.....wouldnt he lose his fingahs...haha

[Amphibatheatre]

Look between "Starscream" and "Megatron"


I believe that to be blackouts arm. I labeled it the pic I posted on the previous page.

[zer00]

I believe that to be blackouts arm. I labeled it the pic I posted on the previous page.

That's nice. It doesn't appear to be attached to Blackout. But regardless, it looks like Dragon Megs arm from BW.

[zer00]

ey zer00 i just noticed sumtin bout ur av.....wouldnt he lose his fingahs...haha
Wouldn't he be blind?
How does the lightsaber know how to stop?

heh...just got a mental image of Don Murphy and Michael Bay's:

Star Wars

[Amphibatheatre]

That's nice. It doesn't appear to be attached to Blackout. But regardless, it looks like Dragon Megs arm from BW.

ah, ok I see what your talking about. I made this to help differentiate the cons...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/804/autobotspike002hh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Megatron in red. Blackout in green and an unknown in yellow. Your right it doesn't belong to Blackout. Whoever it is it's small, I believe the part in yellow to be an arm.

[nosebleed.]

I really don't understand how an F22 can be so much more huge than a semi. I mean, their length is only about a 9' difference and an F22 sure doesn't look more bulky than a semi. Or am I just tired?

[Amphibatheatre]

I really don't understand how an F22 can be so much more huge than a semi. I mean, their length is only about a 9' difference and an F22 sure doesn't look more bulky than a semi. Or am I just tired?

We've both had a long day on here, heh.

[1987olds442]

I really don't understand how an F22 can be so much more huge than a semi. I mean, their length is only about a 9' difference and an F22 sure doesn't look more bulky than a semi. Or am I just tired?You're right it shouldn't be that much more bulky...

[Amphibatheatre]

You're right it shouldn't be that much more bulky...

Obviously Starscream is made up of two jets that merge in midair. He's a fusor!

[zer00]

Does anything about this production make much sense?

Soundwave has to be 4 ft tall

Starscream can be the size of a skyscraper


but anyway, I don't really think the cutouts have anything to do with the size

though Jazz is smaller

and I hope Prime isn't dwarfed that much by..."Megatron"

[1987olds442]

Obviously Starscream is made up of two jets that merge in midair. He's a fusor!Hey it isn't Starscream afterall it's Dreadwing!

[nosebleed.]

I'm off to go have nightmares of Starscream yelling, "I'm the STARSCREAM B***H!" in my ear all night. Have fun with these pics while you can...Creature SH will be along sometime later to rip them into pieces. Later.

[Amphibatheatre]

Yeah, time for me to retire as well. Later all.

[1987olds442]

Later guys...

[zer00]

I'm off to go have nightmares of Starscream yelling, "I'm the STARSCREAM B***H!" in my ear all night. Have fun with these pics while you can...Creature SH will be along sometime later to rip them into pieces. Later.

wish I'd be around for that:(

[NikeHead]

From what I can see from those pictures, I think that Jazz looks sick! Ratchet and OP also, but geez, starscream is huge! Huge and ugly btw. Also, from what I can see, it seems that BB's face isn't gonna change or be CGI'd. It looks the same as the picture that was posted on here.

[Avangarde]

ah, ok I see what your talking about. I made this to help differentiate the cons...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/804/autobotspike002hh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Megatron in red. Blackout in green and an unknown in yellow. Your right it doesn't belong to Blackout. Whoever it is it's small, I believe the part in yellow to be an arm.

It could be Frenzy, wasn't he going to be the replacment for Soundwave (or Soundbite as they were calling him)

[millennium movies]

Did i miss new pictures?

[bluejake01]

Nice reach you got there.

That's not reaching ...the stripes he has are called Bumblebee racing stripes...

[millennium movies]

Wow well this sucks!

Looks like all the autobots look cool (except BB's face) and like real TF while the decepticons look like monster-formers...

[millennium movies]

I think for BB it kinda looks like they truly wanted him to look like a...bee

[Mister Sinister]

Starscream looks really cool, they've HEAVILLY altered the head it looks like.

[The Infernal]

Well I thought Starscream looked ugly when I saw the model they leaked, but with this new leak I can't help but think they've managed to make him look even more ugly. I realise however that you could not do the original Starscream for the big screen but surely they could have gone with something that was closer to the original?

[Trooper]

I THINK...

that the robots are really cool i mean think about it guys, these robots have really grown on me and i think that they really represent the characters very well. looking at bumblebee's form you can see why he is called that, megatron is a ugly mother****er and he should be cuz he is the bad guy and you should be scared of him, and the decepticons are really monster-looking which is great because thats what we want the bad guys to be like right? i cant wait till this movie, the only dissapointment i have is that starscream looks like what he does,

[Psionic Force]

These pics are cool! So looking forward to seeing them in action!

Kinda hoping they change Starscreams head though....

[tkenji69]

Why is he bald?

Is he supposed to have hair??? He's an alien looking robot... he doesnt need hair. Maybe a battle mode helmet would look better.

[Avangarde]

I'm still confident that we will see Bumblebee with a face.

[Oerwinde]

Starscream looks really cool, they've HEAVILLY altered the head it looks like.

Looks cool, meaning looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil with a gorilla body right?

I can understand people thinking Megatron looks cool, despite being a terrible Megatron design it is pretty cool, but Starscream just looks stupid. Even if it wasn't Starscream it still looks retarded.