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xwolverine2

11-26-2006, 08:21 PM

Yeah, Harry's a fat ****. Just saying DM needs more fat-punch.

AICN will soon meet its end......... they OBVIOUSLY never learn

Wanna bet? :o
yes....... i will lick your anus if your right:woot:

That's what the internet is for.
internet is the only thing harry has left

nosebleed.

11-26-2006, 08:23 PM

AICN will soon meet its end......... they OBVIOUSLY never learn

AICN is immortal...Harry's deal with the devil is on its 2nd mortgage.

yes....... i will lick your anus if your right:woot:

kids these days and their hobbies...sheesh

internet is the only thing harry has left

He has your testicles in the jar next to his internet.

Avangarde

11-26-2006, 09:20 PM

I always miss this stuff, damn you sleep :(

Anyway nice pic, cant wait to see it in action, I'm wondering if it maybe part of the coming teaser trailer, would be cool if it was.

I love how one pic can bring life back into a forum :up:

Psionic Force

11-26-2006, 09:53 PM

Awesome new pic! He looks kick ass!

xwolverine2

11-26-2006, 09:56 PM

AICN is immortal...Harry's deal with the devil is on its 2nd mortgage..
god is about to interfere!:o
kids these days and their hobbies...sheesh.
i prefer the cock:cwink:

He has your testicles in the jar next to his internet.
i have plenty more where that came from:o
and no matter how many testicles that thing has....it will never resemble a human man:o

toddly6666

11-26-2006, 10:05 PM

DOG LIPS

11-26-2006, 10:07 PM

Does Scorp even have a robot mode in the film? Or is he just a scorpion?

xwolverine2

11-26-2006, 10:14 PM

nosebleed.

11-26-2006, 10:16 PM

Prepare to be in awe!!

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6613/runtyresegb7.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30809

Bumping the pic because it'll probably be the last we get for awhile if our last dry spell is any indication of future leaks.

And quit talking so much xw2...your breath is melting the forum.

xwolverine2

11-26-2006, 10:18 PM

And quit talking so much xw2...your breath is melting the forum.
Tyrese will kill you:wow:

skorponok

11-26-2006, 11:03 PM

*dies*

ampersand

11-26-2006, 11:14 PM

Not exactly a movie image, but I thought you guys might like this.
I did it for a contest on the planet forums. Enjoy :)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4959/optimusprimexr6.gif

ShadowBoxing

11-26-2006, 11:22 PM

True but so would most films :woot:

Brokeback Mountain with Transformers :yay:Brokebot Mountain:huh:

Spade

11-26-2006, 11:36 PM

Quit your biotching for people who don't like it. Is anyone forgetting that Scorponock is one of the most retarded Transformers anyway? If it's not a vehicle-to-robot transformer, it's silly (insects, bugs, animals,dinasaurs). The movie version is not only a good representation of this retarded Transformer, he even looks better than his toy/cartoon counterpart.

I could care less about how he looks before or even now. What I'm disliking is that the pic is basically showing us Starship Troopers 3. It has 'camp' written all over it, and further confirms the laughable Iraq sequence we're going to get with "teh giant frikkin robotz and teh evah-lovabul human soljahs!!1!"

Does Scorp even have a robot mode in the film? Or is he just a scorpion?

The leaked pic is mid-transformation; he completes his transformation into a scorpion, then later turns into a more-suitable robot form. If I remember correctly from some leaked pics earlier, there was a grainy pic of how the robot form was to look like back when the scorpion model itself was much less detailed.

Orko Is King

11-27-2006, 12:05 AM

Very cool design! I can't wait to see him in robot mode.

jnmx2000

11-27-2006, 01:06 AM

No no

I just love how you gave no reasons that made sense on why you disliked the pic

well one- i don't like the colors to much, i don't know, gold and silver just aren't doing it for me, the silver is actually ok its the brown and gold i hate.

second- theres just to much going on, on the actual robot. looks like something out of star wars instead of transformers, like it should be part of grievous's (how ever you spell it) army. the claws to me don't look like claws, they look more like engine turbines from a star wars pod racer.

three- the head to me, looks horrible, i don't mind the insect look of the robot (its scorponok of course), but they could of made the head look more insect like instead of like a robot, personally, i think the recent incarnations of scroponok look more like a scorpion than this one does.

four- this just doesn't ring transformers to me, if i was some random person that saw this, i would not think that was from the transformers movie, it just does not look like it's from the transformers universe, and even tho this is supposed to be a new take on the transformers, i'm just having a hard time accepting that as a transformer, i really want to like this and i hope that future pics of this from different angles will change the way i think of this movie.

this is how i would have liked my transformers to actually look close to in this movie.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/jnmx2000/ss8.jpg

but hey, i guess i'm just crazy lol

Spade

11-27-2006, 01:23 AM

The talkback at AICN on this picture is hilarious. Seriously, someone needs to save the page in case it gets erased. People are really divided in this, and are bringing a lot of producer/ director hate into the ring over it.

zer00

11-27-2006, 01:52 AM

I could care less about how he looks before or even now. What I'm disliking is that the pic is basically showing us Starship Troopers 3. It has 'camp' written all over it, and further confirms the laughable Iraq sequence we're going to get with "teh giant frikkin robotz and teh evah-lovabul human soljahs!!1!"

Yeah...that made no sense

Spade

11-27-2006, 02:24 AM

Yeah...that made no sense

I'll simplify it down: the CGI is 'pretty', but considering all of the CGI will be 'pretty' I'm looking at actual substance. And what that pic is showing me is anything but. The actors look worse than Jennifer Connelly emoting to the CGI Hulk, and the setup is telling us that the leaked script (which basically has robots named 'Transformers' who don't really act like their namesake and 'lots of explosions') is for the most part the working script.

Sense achieved? :ninja:

3 Dev Adam

11-27-2006, 02:32 AM

Does Scorp even have a robot mode in the film? Or is he just a scorpion?

THIS is his robot mode. When folded, he is, REALLY, part of Blackout's ass. I'm not kidding. It's in the script.

Avangarde

11-27-2006, 02:50 AM

the setup is telling us that the leaked script (which basically has robots named 'Transformers' who don't really act like their namesake and 'lots of explosions') is for the most part the working script.

How can you say that? You havn't even seen any of them in action? You can't just use that old draft as the main basis for the movie, sure it could work as a guide but no way the whole movie be exactly the same as that.

CFlash

11-27-2006, 02:53 AM

Not for nuthin... but that easily could be a scene from Starship Toopers. In fact... are we sure it isn't? LOL. Man oh man.

I can just hear the audience chuckles throughout this entire movie now.

Spark

11-27-2006, 03:51 AM

The leaked pic is mid-transformation; he completes his transformation into a scorpion, then later turns into a more-suitable robot form. If I remember correctly from some leaked pics earlier, there was a grainy pic of how the robot form was to look like back when the scorpion model itself was much less detailed.
Where did you get that from? He's leaping out of the sand, and they said he probably won't even use his humanoid form in the movie. :huh:

3 Dev Adam

11-27-2006, 04:35 AM

I can just hear the audience chuckles throughout this entire movie now.

Thanks, Criswell. Me, I'm sure the audiences will crap themselves in fear of the giant ass-metal scorpion.

xwolverine2

11-27-2006, 05:15 AM

god how can people conplain about that scorpion thing...... HOW!?

bunk

11-27-2006, 06:55 AM

Pic is pretty cool, its not doing much for me though. The soldiers look super imposed imo. I don't think it would feel like Starship Troopers if it were any other Decepticon though.

CFlash

11-27-2006, 07:23 AM

god how can people conplain about that scorpion thing...... HOW!?

xw2... because it's funny. just look at the look on their faces.
And it still doesn't scream "Transformers" to me. :csad: Having said that, I'm sure the scene is all types of action packed and "cool."

toddly6666

11-27-2006, 08:09 AM

http://www.epilog.de/Film/St/_Bilder/Starship_Troopers_USA_1996_B01_.jpg
Is this what everyone is thinking of?

Coincidently, there is a connection between STARSHIP TROOPERS and TRANSFORMERS. Garrett Warren is doing the fight choreography for Transformers, whom did stunt choreography for STARSHIP TROOPERS. Maybe that's why the soldier-running-away style is familiar! haha

I still think Transformers is going to kick ass...What better director could have done Transformers? All I could think of is Spielberg (who's producing)...Bay is the master of mayhem, especially if it involves vehicles which consistently appear smashing things up or getting blown up in his flicks. He's still perfect for Transformers...

CFlash

11-27-2006, 08:36 AM

LOL.

Well, I dunno if Transformers will have the absolutely genius sci-fi commentary that Verhoeven and Ed Neumeier put into Starship Troopers, but at least it will look as pretty (hopefully).

Advanced Dark

11-27-2006, 08:49 AM

You're just one big fat brain bug arent' you?

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3513/transformersrealoa8.jpg

In case the above pic vanishes.

CFlash

11-27-2006, 09:00 AM

I'm curious. Is that Tyrese wearing USAF shirt? I just noticed that on IMDB he and others are listed as "USAF" so-and-so. What's up with the USAF ground troops? Is the USAF really known for having elite tactical combat troops (other than support and MP's)? Or is this because the USAF are really the only ones paying for ad time in this movie.

I have no idea... I'm literally asking.

Niño Manga

11-27-2006, 09:43 AM

Thanks, Criswell. Me, I'm sure the audiences will crap themselves in fear of the giant ass-metal scorpion.

Agreed! Steven, you we're right! Blow us away pleaseee!!!:woot:

Orion Pax

11-27-2006, 09:58 AM

Does Scorp even have a robot mode in the film? Or is he just a scorpion?

Scorp's robot mode is a scorpion. Similar to Ravage's robot mode being a cat-like animal and Lazerbeak's robot mode being a bird-like animal. New pic is awesome by the way. Thanks for bringing it to the boards!

roach

11-27-2006, 10:02 AM

Advanced Dark

11-27-2006, 10:39 AM

I'm still trying to find a reason to see the Transormers film and I don't see one. I really do enjoy watching Bay's films on the big screen just as escapism but this movie seems to be to big for it's own good. I hope the Transformers fans get the film they're hoping for but I think this film has the best chance to drop the fastest in 2007.

Substance D

11-27-2006, 10:42 AM

CFlash

11-27-2006, 11:03 AM

all of the armed forces have their own form of elite ground troops

Army Airborne Rangers, Navy SEALs, The Marines in their entirety pretty much (which technically fall under The Navy). What does the Air Force have?

3 Dev Adam

11-27-2006, 11:04 AM

I'm still trying to find a reason to see the Transormers film and I don't see one.

If you're straight, there's this one:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4066&stc=1&d=1164651564

Advanced Dark

11-27-2006, 11:08 AM

If you're straight, there's this one:

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/gallery/stills3/megan-fox-mar10/megan-fox-mar10-3.jpg

http://jeepsunlimited.com/storyimages/redx2.gif

roach

11-27-2006, 11:15 AM

Army Airborne Rangers, Navy SEALs, The Marines in their entirety pretty much (which technically fall under The Navy). What does the Air Force have?

Army Rangers, Delta Force
Navy Seals
Marine force recon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Special_Operations_Command#Units

nosebleed.

11-27-2006, 02:16 PM

Army Airborne Rangers, Navy SEALs, The Marines in their entirety pretty much (which technically fall under The Navy). What does the Air Force have?

Air Force has Combat Control, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Combat_Control, Tactical Air Control Party (TACP), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_Air_Control_Party, and Pararescue, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Pararescue. All elite.

edit: btw...might wanna keep that Marines falling under the Navy thing to yourself. They like dismantling people's faces over that remark...I've seen it in San Diego.

Spade

11-27-2006, 07:59 PM

Where did you get that from? He's leaping out of the sand, and they said he probably won't even use his humanoid form in the movie. :huh:

The leaked pic in question showing a few of the Transformers and what people were speculating was Scorponok's robot form was on this very thread, if I recall. If that is scrapped or incorrect information then I've heard no correction on it. The supposed 'mid-transformation' comment in regards to the picture was made on AICN.

How can you say that? You havn't even seen any of them in action? You can't just use that old draft as the main basis for the movie, sure it could work as a guide but no way the whole movie be exactly the same as that.

Did I ever say it was going to be a word-for-word translation? Nope. All I said was that most likely we would be getting what we've been worried we were going to get. The Allspark has already been confirmed to replace the Energon Cube, but I doubt much else has changed.

CherryRedSpider

11-27-2006, 09:18 PM

What?! Scorponok's in that picture? All I can see is Tyrese's teeth, they're whiter than white. ILM really out done themselves.

xwolverine2

11-27-2006, 09:31 PM

Tyrese's teeth, they're whiter than white. ILM really out done themselves.
:woot: :woot: LOL!

Arcturus

11-27-2006, 09:41 PM

Sweet Jesus!

Scorponok's amazing!

:wow: :up:

xwolverine2

11-27-2006, 09:47 PM

somebody re post it...... im freakin lazy

DOG LIPS

11-27-2006, 09:52 PM

somebody re post it...... im freakin lazy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/222scorp.jpg

xwolverine2

11-27-2006, 10:00 PM

rotfl!!!!!!!

fantastic colgate/winterfesh commercial!

Avangarde

11-27-2006, 10:06 PM

If they have a giant scorpion roaming about they can sure have a big arse T-Rex stomping through stuff :up:

xwolverine2

11-27-2006, 10:23 PM

i think a giant scorpion would kill a T-rex.......

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 03:40 AM

Why a macho man Army Marine Tactical Aviation S.W.A.T. Seal would be called Teresa?

nosebleed.

11-28-2006, 04:02 AM

Why a macho man Army Marine Tactical Aviation S.W.A.T. Seal would be called Teresa?

Its Tyrese, and his character's name is "USAF Master Sgt. Epps".

Avangarde

11-28-2006, 06:50 AM

i think a giant scorpion would kill a T-rex.......

I was making a reference to Grimloc :csad:

Spark

11-28-2006, 06:54 AM

The leaked pic in question showing a few of the Transformers and what people were speculating was Scorponok's robot form was on this very thread, if I recall. If that is scrapped or incorrect information then I've heard no correction on it. The supposed 'mid-transformation' comment in regards to the picture was made on AICN.
If you're referring to Quint, he only said the drills transform into pincers.

I suppose they could've made changes to those scenes but there was no robot mode in the Feb script.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30809

Trooper

11-28-2006, 07:06 AM

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2647/watht6.jpg

Spark

11-28-2006, 07:10 AM

Where's that from? Did you make it? :huh:

roach

11-28-2006, 07:55 AM

edit: btw...might wanna keep that Marines falling under the Navy thing to yourself. They like dismantling people's faces over that remark...I've seen it in San Diego.

well he is correct. The Marine Corp is a department of the Navy

not_a_victim

11-28-2006, 10:42 AM

well he is correct. The Marine Corp is a department of the Navy

Yes, it is... The MEN'S department.

ragdus

11-28-2006, 11:18 AM

SeALs own the Marines. And for the record, Marines don't care all that much about the Navy remarks, but they can't stand the Army.

Spark

11-28-2006, 11:50 AM

SAS own all at the same time. :ninja:

Dr Lee

11-28-2006, 02:52 PM

I'd have to agree with you on that Spark

xwolverine2

11-28-2006, 02:55 PM

i hope that gun tyrese has gets broken.... him killing more than one robot is ****in pushing it

nosebleed.

11-28-2006, 05:17 PM

well he is correct. The Marine Corp is a department of the Navy

I didn't say he wasn't correct. I just stated the fact that some Marines (aside from what Ragdus says) don't like to be called Navy.

zer00

11-28-2006, 05:19 PM

It's true. They don't. And most...if not all Navy guys don't like being affiliated with the marines

nosebleed.

11-28-2006, 05:26 PM

It's true. They don't. And most...if not all Navy guys don't like being affiliated with the marines

Exactly, same with Army and Air Force and vice versa...even though Air Force came from the Army (and are becoming more and more Army-like in their deployments).

Boom

11-28-2006, 06:57 PM

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2647/watht6.jpg
That's ****ing tits.

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 07:10 PM

i hope that gun tyrese has gets broken.... him killing more than one robot is ****in pushing it

It's not Teresa who injures Scorpionok.

xwolverine2

11-28-2006, 07:12 PM

It's not Teresa who injures Scorpionok.
wanna bet :o

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 07:13 PM

Well, according to the script I got (the one where the Energon Cube still had this name), it wasn't. Unless they changed it. Again.

Darthkush

11-28-2006, 07:20 PM

that was on aintitcool but it was taken down. Looks kinda meh if you ask me.

xwolverine2

11-28-2006, 07:20 PM

tyrese will kill a robot....thats for dam sure

and when he recieves a futuristic gun he will say "IVE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THESE!"

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 07:22 PM

tyrese will kill a robot....thats for dam sure

and when he recieves a futuristic gun he will say "IVE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THESE!"

Oh, a BFG. It's every man's dream.

xwolverine2

11-28-2006, 07:23 PM

*flashback of watching Doom*

ugh ugh ughu ughughuh

Boom

11-28-2006, 07:39 PM

Now, under the provisions of the Digital Millenium Copyright act, his loser Ain't It **** site, has to take down any copyright violations that he is notified about immediately. This is under the Safe Harbor provision. It is how You Tube currently defends itself (I say currently because the movie and tv industry will soon cripple YouTube). However, Harry acknowledges in the very posting that he knows he is violating the law, that the picture is protected, but he posts it anyway, also knowing that it will spread all over the internet (already within minutes one of the talkback rodents has "mirrored" the image). Thus, he has violated the law of the United States knowingly and willfully. Maybe no prison could contain his whole body, but at the least he should be held liable for enough in damages that Aint It **** closes down and their constant illegal behavior, from reviewing stolen scripts to posting reviews from private test screenings held up as wrong and harmful and illegal. I've asked the studio to investigate. Stay Tuned.
Lollerskates.

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 07:49 PM

Soon enough, Fat Harry will publish unflattening reports on the Transformers movie. But hey, Hollywood *****slap knew that a long time ago...

BONEHEAD OF THE MONTH #1: Harry Knowles Must Go!

by {{{OZ}}}

We came back from the SXSW film fest this year with a good buzz on after two weeks of hard beer quaffing and viewing very many films that didn’t suck. We were inspired to do something big, my compadres and I, so we decided to launch the mother of all critical missiles at quote-whore extraordinaire, Earl Dittman. That went well, but strangely it wasn’t enough to fill the hole that needed filling. A feeling in the back of our minds suggested there was still work to do - still someone out there that needed our attention. Then it dawned on us - Harry Knowles needed a beatdown. We’d all seen Knowles at SXSW, motoring around in his laboring wheelchair, occasionally struggling with crutches, sweating profusely and smelling like a mixture or “urine and ass” (as Jim The Movie Freek so perfectly described it). Assorted morons at the fest were overheard geeking out about their contact with Knowles (“I got my photo taken with Harry!”), while others pointed and laughed and held their noses (seriously, he fully reeked). If you’ve only a minor knowledge of the world of online film criticism you know who Harry Knowles is and why he has such a bad rep, but what caused us to all look at each other and pronounce that it was time to crucify Knowles once and for all? Quite simply, we’d just had enough of the lies.

Aside from the easy physical jibes (Knowles is beyond obese, and seemingly hasn’t ever shaved his ginger beard or cut his stringy, sweaty, disgusting hair), Knowles has been caught with his pants down so many times it’s a wonder he bothers pulling them back up. He started out his life as an online geek critic back in 1996, when he had a little tiff with Coming Attractions’ Patrick Sauriol over a gossip-credit Harry claimed was due him. Knowles set up the Aint-It-Cool-News website which spurted forth every piece of gossip he could find about upcoming movies, from the color of Superman’s booties to the fourth page of the first draft of a Batman script.

And the people did come. They came in great numbers. They came in such numbers that the studios started seeing value in seeding Knowles website with information for the geek crowd. Then they found that they could just as easily buy Knowles’ favor by flying him to screenings. Then he sold his soul (and credibility) by continually not only taking these favors, but even publicly asking for them.

To be honest, this hasn’t been an easy piece to write, mostly because the quintessential Knowles beatdown has already been delivered by Film Threat’s Ron Wells (http://www.filmthreat.com). I have to hand it to Chris Gore and Ron Wells at FT – they’ve slammed Knowles in ways that he hasn’t been able to defend, and they’ve done it continually, without mercy, and with astonishing accuracy. Here’s a rundown of what we’ve managed to find out about Hairy Harry’s dark past – both from Film Threat's reporting and other sources - and just like Harry himself, it’s not pretty:

1. NEPOTISM - While film critics are often tempted by the dark side with studio junkets and freebies, it's a rare thing that an actual critic would turn up at the junket, and even rarer when they’d allow themselves to be cast in a film they’re going to review - in glowing terms. It's just way too unethical to even contemplate such behavior. Harry Knowles, on the other hand, not only accepted a cameo in Robert Rodriguez's The Faculty, he then claimed the movie was sheer genius, for months before any critic had a chance to take a look at the film.

Knowles says that nothing he's done is wrong because he's not a 'reviewer', he's a geek just sharing info with other geeks. However he wants to label it, selling your opinion for favors is still selling out. According to Ron Wells, a tiny chunk of Harry's favor list goes as follows:

* All expenses trip to New York for premiere of Godzilla at Madison Square Garden.
* Paid trip to LA for the premiere of Detroit Rock City where KISS performed.
* Paid trip to premiere of Green Mile.
* The bit part given to Harry in The Faculty... did I forget to mention that Harry's friends were given jobs as extras? And that the premiere was held in Harry's hometown of Austin? And that everyone involved was invited to attend?
* Dreamworks provided an exclusive, advanced screening of "Gladiator" for Harry in San Francisco. An EXCLUSIVE screening, mind you. Even Roger Ebert watches the flicks he reviews with other journalists in attendance, but Harry gets an all-expenses paid trip and a private screening.
* Provided a set tour of Armageddon in Houston. Paid trip to premiere in Florida. Harry later stated in his review that he wept at the film's conclusion. Good grief...
* Paid trip for one of Harry's writers to Los Angeles, to the set of Mystery Men.
* Paid trip to London to set of The Mummy. LONDON!
* Tours of many film sets, including How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Monkey Bone, Fail Safe, the list goes on.

So is that so wrong? Well, yeah, it is. Especially so when every single one of these films bar The Mummy received a review that would be considered either positive or totally freak-out positive. I mean - GODZILLA? A positive review? Come on, even the director doesn't like that movie!

Actually, Knowles doesn’t like it either… at least not any more. When he first saw it, at a 20,000 seat premier at the MSG, he freaking LOVED it! But then when he got home and it had opened and he found out that the rest of the planet HATED the movie, Harry claimed he’s just been wrapped up in the feeling of the night and duly reversed his earlier review. Maybe it did suck after all, huh? In other words, with his freebie paid for and the movie open, he figured he could try to get back some cred by going with the crowd. Gosh, it's a wonder he can lie straight in bed at night.

Harry defends himself on his site by saying, "I do not go on junkets. There have been occasions where I have been flown in by a filmmaker to see their film or set." Uh... so what's the difference exactly? Harry continues, "Everytime (sic) I do this, I’m pissed that the site has not achieved a financial status to afford me the ability to fly in on my own via my own expense account. HOWEVER, by this Fall my ad contracts that will sell 100% of all ad space will change this."

Yeah? Guess again. Those ad contracts never did what he’d have hoped and Harry still accepts the gifts, in fact he even openly asks for them on his site. He calls them “pwesents.”

Says Patrick Sauriol of Coming Attractions, "[Harry's website] is acting in a public medium, and like it or not, it's considered a form of journalism. Just because AICN chooses to print its reviews or news stories in a different method than traditional media, I still believe that there should exist certain lines that you don't cross. I had debated with Harry in the past over moral boundaries that I think webmasters shouldn't cross, and I would e-mail AICN when I felt something appeared on that site that didn't match up with the story that appeared on CA. I also tried to address the other problems I felt brought down my respect for AICN. Unfortunately, our debates didn't ever seem to resolve any of these issues."

Now Sauriol and Knowles have had their disputes in the past. A lot of them. In fact, when Knowles’ dad reworded a Coming Attractions release and made it appear as if a CA exclusive had been sent to them first for approval, Sauriol popped a lobe in anger. He sent out an email to other websites asking that they get together and present a set of ethical guidelines for Knowles’ site so as to avoid future problems of that nature and get some credibility in the press. When they put together a draft of those guidelines, Knowles got a copy, posted it on his website (complete with names and email addresses of all those it had been sent to) and turned a deep hole into a WAY deeper hole. Knowles claimed he’d had the info on the CA press release ahead of time and hadn’t published it because he was waiting on confirmation, so presenting someone else’s content as his own was no biggie. He never answered why, if that were true, he’d used CA’s wording and not his own. It’d only be another lie anyway…

2. WRITING (IF YOU COULD CALL IT THAT) - There's nothing worse than a writer with no writing ability, and Knowles isn't just a terrible writer, he can barely spell past a grade school level. Surely, if you're going to make a living writing on a website, you need to at some point learn to use a spellchecker (or spell). Harry's writing is the kind of stuff that would be littered with red circles if it were handed in by a third-grader at school, and he almost seems proud of the fact.

In Harry's words, "to me[,] I comment on everything. I am a commentator, an editor and a columnist... albeit one with a peculiar habit of not using spellcheck... not because I can’t operate it, but because I like showing my mistakes. I feel they make me human. I don’t like a computer to do my thinking for me. If I don’t catch the spelling... then it’s my damn fault, and it will reveal me as being the boob that I am.”

Boob indeed. Needless to say, he had two ghostwriters put together his recent biography book.

Ron Wells once again put it best when he said, "God knows, I'm as guilty as anyone of writing first-person film reviews and stories. Hell, I'm doing it right now. I, on the other hand, may possess a dim awareness that no one would really give a **** about how I got from the airport to my complimentary hotel to the movie premiere for which the studio flew me in. Oh, and if my name were, say, Drew McWeeny, (AKA Moriarty) formerly of Dave's Laser Disc, and I chose to masquerade under the name of some Sherlock Holmes' nemesis, I might avoid spinning bull**** fantasies about myself for half the review. You should really masturbate on your own time."

McWeeny duly got Wells’ phone number and made obscene and abusive phone calls to him. Class act, these AICN kids.

3. FRAUD - But McWeeny’s been in the crapper before through his association with Knowles. In fact, Knowles once did a script review of one of McWeeny’s screenplays where he hyped the thing to the hilt, alongside a truly awesome script, Donnie Darko. Knowles favorably compared the two, but went on to announce that McWeeny’s script, Amusements, was the stuff of legend. Knowles neglected to mention that McWeeny writes a large part of AICN’s content, under the nickname Moriarty, and is one of the Orange Lump’s closest friends. Clearly Harry was fraudulently trying to use his position to help McWeeny sell his script. Who brought this fact to light? Raise your hand, Mr Wells.

But it gets worse. Such is the sway that Knowles has over his minions, he even had one take jail time for him recently. Oh, I’m sure Harry is still denying he had any involvement in the actions of one of his writers, a guy who called himself ‘Joe Hallenbeck,’ but the reality is that Knowles was intimately involved in the scam Hallenbeck was running that ended up seeing him get 120 days in prison and a $10,000 plus fine. See, Hallenbeck (or Michael Gerhard) was put in touch with Harry’s Disney contacts with a view to getting early screener tapes of unreleased films. Hallenbeck then decided to sell those tapes (for as little as $8 each) on the internet. The FBI came a-calling and Hallenbeck went down. He refused to give up Knowles, but others involved have made the facts clear – Harry knew about it, was in the thick of it and may even have made some dinero out of it. Worse, when asked by Wells about this mess, Knowles claimed to have only a basic knowledge of what happened to Hallenbeck (“"He, um, let's see... if memory serves, Joe had a problem with ... he had sold a videotape that he wasn't supposed to sell, then the MPAA came down with an investigation on him. To be honest, I don't know too much about what happened there.") – liar, liar, diapers on fire!

These stories are not isolated incidents. Harry Knowles and his writers have taken info from other sites many times in the past without properly crediting them. An early review of Narc on this very website turned up (in reworded form) on AICN a day or so later, credited to Senor McWeeny’s alter ego. Just recently a ‘review’ of X-Men 2 popped up on Harry’s site accredited to White Queen. The reviewer spent a few paragraphs talking about some phantom meeting that had allegedly once taken place in Banff between Harry and White Queen, where he and White Queen’s galpal Jessica had flirted. Then it spent one paragraph talking about scenes that are seen in the trailer. This is Harry’s idea of a scoop these days – inventing a female friend and a scenario in which he’s not a giant ginger Augustus Gloop and can actually maintain the interest of a woman for ten minutes – a woman who saw X-Men 2 before anyone else, yet could only recall scenes we’ve all seen in the advertising of the film. Scoop!

In fact, the very idea of Knowles' site was taken from Coming Attractions, which was the true original movie rumor fan-site and was once contacted by one of their many readers (a memorabilia trader by the name of Harry Knowles) who claimed he hadn't been credited properly for a piece of gossip. Harry went out and started his own site, and has continually laid claim to being the father of internet movie gossip since.

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 07:50 PM

Second part:

3. THE LIES, THE DAMN LIES AND THE ABSOLUTE LIES - Knowles likes to portray an image that, despite his physical sloth-like state, he's still a bit of a ladies man. He liberally peppers his 'reviews' with mentions of sex and women he's flirted with and how he would have scored with this chick if only something hadn't happened. The truth is that Knowles can barely move under his own steam any more. At the SXSW festival in Austin Texas, Knowles was spotted slowly rambling around town in his motorized La-Z-Boy more than a few times, only once actually grabbing a pair of crutches to make his way around the convention center. Sure, being a fatty isn't a crime, but passing yourself off as a ladies man when the people who sat behind you at the Paramount in Austin had to move because of the smell is just wrong. And yes, I witnessed this first hand. Or should I say first nose.

But the lies go further than simply pretending girls will talk to him, there's always the fabled Oscar scandal of a few years back. Harry claimed he had an early list of the nominees for that year, hacked right off the Oscars.com servers. Harry claimed he’d stumbled across this top secret info, then gave info on how others could do likewise. The truth of the matter was that the info was on the home computer of a cable-modem-connected employee of ABC.com and was merely a list of that person's guesses as to who might be nominated. Not top secret. Not even correct. Harry's defence: "The OSCAR story was a legitimate **** up due to having a bad technical advisor and feeling time constraints upon the story."

Time constraints? What time constraints? Harry doesn't have a print deadline. He doesn't have an editor breathing down his neck. Oh, he means the time constraints of putting out an unchecked, illegally obtained, totally fake Oscar exclusive before the actual nominations were announced. Gotcha. Well that makes it completely forgivable, Harry.

Harry went on to blame one of his minions, a guy who calls himself Robogeek, for the error. Robogeek, in response, said Harry brought the story to him, asked him for some quick fact-checking, then signed off on everything and was responsible for the whole story. The truth? They’re both idiots.

4. DID I MENTION NEPOTISM? - In Harry's own words, "Aint It Cool News is not a Joe Friday, just the facts maam (sic), news source. I believe in editorializing and presenting my opinion on each and every story I post... Do I have a bias when talking about Carpenter.... Yes. Is it because I have had dinner at his house? NO. It’s because the man ****ing made DARK STAR, HALLOWEEN, ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, STARMAN, THE THING, BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, THEY LIVE and so on.... Do I like VAMPIRES? Yes, wholeheartedly... and I saw the film and reviewed it far before I had ever even met the man. But... Having met John Carpenter, shared a dinner table.... Having my head cast in his next film, GHOSTS OF MARS.... Does it in one single iota make me pull a punch in saying that I didn’t like IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS and that I thought that his VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED and ESCAPE FROM L.A. were pieces of pure unquestionable ****? No. So when I read GHOSTS OF MARS, did I like it to make him happy... or did I like it because I felt that the script kicked ass? I liked it because the script kicked ass."

Need I add... HE TOOK YOU TO DINNER AND THEN CAST YOU IN HIS MOVIE! How on earth can this toad even pretend he's not biased when he's admitting he's had dinner with John Carpenter, was cast in the guy's film and that he's a huge fan from way back? How can he even pretend that not liking three of the guy’s films out of dozens is proof that he’s honest? You can't give an unbiased perspective on a script that you've been cast in!

But Harry insists he can. Of course, he's never had a bad thing to say about a film he's been cast in, but he insists it could happen. Oy...

At one point, David Poland announced he was investigating Harry's relationship with Jerry Bruckheimer. Oddly, even after publishing an early positive review of Bruckheimer's Gone In 60 Seconds, when Harry got wind that he was being investigated, he suddenly announced that he "HATED" that "****ING MOVIE AND NEARLY WALKED OUT." He also felt at pain to announce that his hatred came despite the fact that "it contained an actor that I know on friendly terms...."

Clang! Drop another name, Harry!

5. THE VULGARITY AND VAPIDITY - In his words, "As Editor and Chief of AICN, we will always retain the right to edit and modify original content [IE: content from other peoples' sites] for the following reasons: to clarify, to protect the anonymity of the writer, to cut down on unwanted babbling about insignificant personal details, to remove objectionable terms (words that gaybash or offend) and lastly... I remove spoilers that I feel go too far and will ruin the film. IE... Darth Vader is Luke’s Father, The Girl has a Penis, The Star Is Really Dead, etc...”

Now, aside from noting that he just gave away that Darth Vader is Luke’s father (ugh), this statement seems to indicate that Harry doesn’t so vulgarity and objects to personal crap littering the content on his site. How then do we treat the following, from his intro to White Queen’s X-Men 2 ‘review’?

“Hey folks, Harry here with an old friend of mine that I last saw in Banff, years ago. Looks like she's moved to Los Angeles, hopefully the doll will write more often. The Jessica she talks about was just absolutely to KILL for. Sigh... Anyway, the "White Queen" is a consummate tease, she drove guys crazy at the conference, and now... because the minx has seen X2 before the rest of us, she's toying with us again. It just ain't fair! I'll get her back for this... actually, what the hell, she's just communicating her excitement for the film... heh... like we needed to be more excited... MAY... sooooo friggginnnn faarrrrrr awwaaaayyyyyy.... ARGH!!!!”

What the hell is that if it’s not “unwanted babbling about insignificant personal details”? And how’s this for vulgarity, from Harry’s 2003 Oscars report:

“Oh man, the Jack Palance and Kirk Douglas moments.... **** BENIGNI!!! That **** had Weinstein BUY HIS AWARD, ****ing Ian McKellen completely out of winning for GODS & MONSTERS!!! **** that award... the best gown ever was Bjork's crazy Bird Gown! Ewww a control room! Ok, this pre-show sucked all sorts of ass... Well here comes the show!”

It gets worse… “God, Steve Martin is the best host DUDE - He ****ed Mary Poppins... oh hell ERNEST BORGNINE!!! ****ING A!!!! Uh oh, J LO is here in an outfit that doesn't properly display her naked ass!”

Yeah, Harry’s a fountain of integrity with stuff like that.

But what's worse are the spoilers. MovieCityGeek's David Poland said, after seeing the work in progress that is X-Men 2, that there's a huge surprise in the film that the studio is desperately trying not to let out of the bag, for fear of ruining what should be a great shock to the fans. Poland talked of his dilemma over whether or not to ruin that surprise in order to make a name for his site when he said, "How do we decide between running a story that will help put our two-week-old site on the Geek map in a bigger way and doing the 'right' thing… while not feeling like we were kissing anyone's ass? Well, the line is a little more visible now. We’re not running the spoiler. Someone somewhere will. And we’re sure that it will be soon. And you will probably be sorry that you read it. To be honest, I myself am sorry that I know."

Sure enough, guess who couldn't help but drop a long line of spoilers on X-Men 2 fans? You guessed it - Happy Harry Hard-On and his phantom 'White Queen'.

6. THE NAME DROPPING – It’s embarrassing. It’s honestly just so embarrassing. Harry doesn’t seem able to talk about a movie without mentioning who he knows that was in it. He can’t talk about a screening without mentioning who he hung out with before, sat next to during and high-fived afterwards. He’s so obsessed with telling everyone that he’s the luckiest guy on the block that he actually talks about the favors the studios buy him!

“My philosophy [is] that [a] film review doesn't begin and end with the opening and ending titles. There is more to it. What we do and who we are affects the review.” So says Hairy Harry, as an explanation of why every one of his reviews features about eight paragraphs of what he did earlier that day, who he talked to, who he hung out with, which girls gave him 'the look'. The review, if you can call it that, generally consists of how certain scenes made him feel. Forget artistry, Harry wants you to know that he got wood, not that the lighting was excellent.

Which is truly just another example of the root of Harry Knowles' problem - he's dying. He's been dying since day one. He feels the insults, he hears the complaints, he recognizes the chuckles from people as they pass his chair-scooter, he knows his time on this mortal coil is short and his only real way of defending himself is to put out this image that he's having a blast and getting all this free **** that you’re not. He's seeing the movies you WISH you were seeing! He's getting talked to by HOT women! He knows Carpenter and shared a dinner table with him (are you going to eat that, John?)!

But the reality is that he’s a parasite. He knows he’s not long for this planet and he’ll never make a movie, so he’s determined to sell out, lie, swindle and brag, brag, brag for every day he has left so he can be as close to those he idolizes as possible. And, most importantly, he doesn’t care what damage he does, or who uses him in the process.

7. THE GAME THAT’S REALLY BEING PLAYED - This is where we bust our own discoveries out - we’ve spoken to a former studio marketing executive who admitted to having his staff plant copious quantities of information on Harry’s site over the years. When asked if Harry-planting was official policy, our inside source said, “Policy with us or policy with Harry? He knows we’re doing it, but he knows that only we and he know, so he does nothing to prevent it. More info goes to Harry because we want it to, rather than the other way around.”

Who is this person? Not telling, but unlike Harry, we’ve done our fact-checking and confirmed both the person and the information. We won’t name this person because, frankly, our opinion is that you don’t blame the john for the fact that the prostitute exists; you blame the person who opts to sup of the studio cock and pass it off as a ‘scoop’. Our contact not only claims Harry knows his site is being used in this way, but even admitted to having had private investigators hack Harry’s email account to find out who is leaking stuff without studio approval. In the exec’s words, “We watched for weeks and, for the most part, it was all kids’ stuff. Anything he gets that is truly secret is second or third hand material or reprints of other people's discoveries and the amount of things he’s published that were total fabrications is amazing. We’ve slipped him plenty of bogus info ourselves just to keep him looking goofy. Ultimately, it’s a give and take thing. He gets his presents, but only when we know he can benefit us. And he knows not to bite the hand that feeds.”

Says our insider, “He’s an arrogant S.O.B. He honestly believes he’s doing something great for the geeks and that the filmmakers have this respect for him, but he also knows he’s bought and sold every day.” He continues, “Harry’s cheaper than a quarter page in the Times, that’s for sure.”

Our inside source wants anonymity and that’s exactly what we’ll give him, because many insiders who have actually given Harry information on the QT have found themselves out of a job. You’ll never hear Harry mourn them publicly, even the Disney guys that were busted giving tapes to Harry via Joe Hallenbeck (you remember, the guy who sold dubs of those tapes on the internet and got 120 days in the can?). Harry just climbs aboard another plane to LA for whatever the studios want him to hype next and repeats the line, “I’m not a journalist, I’m just a geek, I have my own rules.”

Which all explains why, after the distributors of A Mighty Wind asked the journalists in the audience at SXSW not to review the film because they would be seeing an unfinished workprint, Harry published two reviews from his “spies.” Apparently, pretending to be one of his readers is a convenient way for Knowles to break the rules when he’s agreed to play by them. And before you say “he’d never do that”… he’s done it alright. It’s how he built his empire.

We’ll close this little tirade with an excerpt from Harry’s appearance on Turn Ben Stein On where he admits to the nonsensical methods he uses to pretend he has a ‘network of spies’…

BEN STEIN: Okay, now you started yourself by sending in some fake emails from yourself that you said were some from other people, correct? I mean I have that in an interview with you.

HARRY KNOWLES: Actually, actually it wasn't, I never sent myself fake emails because I am myself.

BEN STEIN: You sent the site e-mail.

HARRY KNOWLES: What I would do is that I would spend all weekend and - ya know - all night doing research on a story. Like say I'd get a tip that - ahh - the James Bond film is filming in Bangkok - umm - I would - ahh - begin scouring the Bangkok newspapers looking for information - umm - I would create spies that were allegedly sending stuff up.

BEN STEIN: Now do you think that the New York Times does that?

HARRY KNOWLES: No.

BEN STEIN: ...or the New Yorker?

HARRY KNOWLES: No.

BEN STEIN: ...or The Wall Street Journal?

HARRY KNOWLES: As a matter of fact...

BEN STEIN: Then why are you allowed to do it? Why are you allowed to make up reviews that other critic's aren't?

HARRY KNOWLES: Because I'm in control of my site and I do - umm - what I feel is necessary to be able to help a film that needs the help that it needs. Uhh - 'Gods and Monsters' was a movie that many critics had seen at Sundance but weren't allowed to publish reviews in their newspapers because their newspaper editors wouldn't allow them to write about a film that doesn't have a release date or a distributor in the U.S. because it was non news in their opinion.

BEN STEIN: Have you ever heard of a site called Film Threat?

HARRY KNOWLES: Yeah, Chris Gore's site.

BEN STEIN: Now, he says that you write fictitious reviews, err write reviews of movies written by friends of yours under pseudonyms and say that they're great movies and you never say this was written by my best friend or this was written by a guy who works for me. And you say that this was a great script written by Joe Schmeckles without revealing that he's your best friend.

HARRY KNOWLES: He was - ahh - specifically referring to a script called 'Amusements' written by a fellow by the name of Drew McWeeny. Ummm - but - uhh - Drew McWeeny - uhh - is a unpublished screenwriter who goes out on pitch meetings all the time.

BEN STEIN: And you thought you'd help him.

HARRY KNOWLES: No! I liked his script. I have many friends that write scripts that never see the light of day. I've got, you know, about five friends in Austin that give me scripts all the time and in my hotel room one of my best friends just gave me three of his scripts. If I don't like them you'll never hear about them.

BEN STEIN: But you, but do you think maybe you owe it to the audience to say, 'by the way this guy is a good friend of mine?'

HARRY KNOWLES: Ummm...

BEN STEIN: Alright, you'll think about that.

Note: For ongoing reportage of how much of a disgrace Aint-It-Cool-News is, check out our messageboard below. We'll keep adding the reports as we see them, and maybe one day the world will be free of this scourge.

Portions of this article were based on information found in Ron Wells' most excellent series of exposes of Harry Knowles and his cohorts, at http://www.filmthreat.com - we’d advise going there for more on the Orange Lump and congratulate them on forcing us to dig very deep to find any piece of information they hadn’t already come out with. Although Film Threat isn't going as hard on Knowles these days, they're one of the few sites around that actually performs any sort of investigative journalism in the world of film, so respect is owed.

For the other side of the story, why not take a look at Harry’s Oscars report (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14798) and judge for yourself whether this guy is a boon to the world of film or an utter disgrace.

Boom

11-28-2006, 07:55 PM

http://www.nervepop.com/NerveBlog/Images/Entry/6002_knowles1.jpg

xwolverine2

11-28-2006, 08:14 PM

wow..... awesome

nosebleed.

11-28-2006, 09:04 PM

3 Dev Adam

11-28-2006, 09:20 PM

Did you have to post all that crap? A link would've sufficed...

No, it wouldn't, cause the name of the site is Hollywood *****slap, and the censor thingie automatically erases the word *****. Trust me, I tried.

cosmicherosa

11-28-2006, 10:06 PM

I enjoyed that whole read, and agree totally. Harry is a HORRIBLE person to rely on for reviews and scoops. He was in LOVE with Daredevil. He was in LOVE with Star Wars Episodes 1-3, etc. etc. He is a worthless ass and he stinks at life and reviewing movies.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com for all your review needs. Not http://www.harrysrottengrundlecakejuicereviews.com

I don't wanna be the guy who continues the off-topic, so I will comment that I like the pic. It defitely shows that the right guy is about to be slaughtered. I hope that we see Skorp in full battle-mode and whipping armed vehicles around.

Niño Manga

11-29-2006, 08:48 AM

Did you have to post all that crap? A link would've sufficed, especially being that you didn't post any pictures in a pictures thread...sheesh. And it had zero to do with Transformers. We all know Harry is a fat slob who takes bribes and plays favorites...but who cares??

Crap? That was probably one of the best and most enjoyable post ever!
Good job! Posting should always be like that! And saying post like those are crap is even more crappier!!!:woot:

Niño Manga

11-29-2006, 09:03 AM

i think a giant scorpion would kill a T-rex.......

[Extract from 100 Questions About Science]
-If you had to choose to confront between a rabid tiger or a huge spider, which would you choose, Mr. Asimov?
-Surely the giant spider!
-Why?
-The giant spider wouldn't even move. It would collapse it's own structure due to their phisionomy adaptation

Giant scorpions would also collapse because their exoesqueleton wouldn't take them to measure more than 20 cms or so in land.
So...
T-REX STILL INVINCIBLE!!!:woot:

nosebleed.

11-29-2006, 09:16 AM

Crap? That was probably one of the best and most enjoyable post ever!
Good job! Posting should always be like that! And saying post like those are crap is even more crappier!!!:woot:

That is a 4 year old article that basically says this:

Harry is a kiss ass...and we all knew that.

Let's keep it Transformers related.

roach

11-29-2006, 09:21 AM

Yes, it is... The MEN'S department.

Yeah the WOmen's department

roach

11-29-2006, 09:23 AM

It's true. They don't. And most...if not all Navy guys don't like being affiliated with the marines

you guys are funny

Sentinal Prime

11-29-2006, 09:48 AM

Army Airborne Rangers, Navy SEALs, The Marines in their entirety pretty much (which technically fall under The Navy). What does the Air Force have?

Army- Airborne Rangers, Delta Force., Special Forces
Navy- E.O.D., S.E.A.L.s, Divers( actually trained to put bombs on ships.)
Marine- Forrest Recon
Air Force- Search and Rescue

Avangarde

11-29-2006, 10:07 AM

[Extract from 100 Questions About Science]
-If you had to choose to confront between a rabid tiger or a huge spider, which would you choose, Mr. Asimov?
-Surely the giant spider!
-Why?
-The giant spider wouldn't even move. It would collapse it's own structure due to their phisionomy adaptation

Giant scorpions would also collapse because their exoesqueleton wouldn't take them to measure more than 20 cms or so in land.
So...
T-REX STILL INVINCIBLE!!!:woot:

:huh: :huh: :huh: Where did that come from?

roach

11-29-2006, 10:21 AM

Army- Airborne Rangers, Delta Force., Special Forces
Navy- E.O.D., S.E.A.L.s, Divers( actually trained to put bombs on ships.)
Marine- Forrest Recon
Air Force- Search and Rescue

Marine Force Recon

Advanced Dark

11-29-2006, 10:35 AM

Love that article. Should have it's own thread.

Sentinal Prime

11-29-2006, 01:52 PM

Marine Force Recon

crap, I always thought it was forrest.................Thank you for clarifying that for me

Sentinal Prime

11-29-2006, 01:52 PM

Marine Force Recon

crap, I always thought it was forrest.................Thank you for clarifying that for me

Advocate05

11-29-2006, 03:29 PM

Echo Echo.

*Dead*End*

11-29-2006, 04:01 PM

Chirp, chirp.

xwolverine2

11-29-2006, 04:38 PM

dimnix

11-29-2006, 05:54 PM

Just a few quick comments on that article about Harry Knowles...

It's all based on the Film Threat stuff, for the most part, and really picks and chooses certain facts to try to create some big scandalous story. It goes on about how Harry will certainly positively review a film if invited to a set or screening, and yet it fails to mention that Harry was flown via private jet to an early private screening of "Rollerball" and spent time with the director there, only to give the film one of the most negative reviews he's ever dished out.

And as for there being some scandal over the fact that the premiere for "The Faculty" was held in Austin (Harry's home town), they dont mention that Austin is also the film's shooting location and home to the film's director.

Also note a big ass contradiction in there. Early on it says that the review from the "White Queen" of X2 was simply a list of scenes included in the trailer. Later in the article it says this: "Sure enough, guess who couldn't help but drop a long line of spoilers on X-Men 2 fans? You guessed it - Happy Harry Hard-On and his phantom 'White Queen'." ...so, which is it? Spoilers from an unseen film or a made up review?

Basically - dont put much trust into stuff from Ron Wells. Sure, Harry's not perfect, nobody is, but the fact is studios often fly reporters from online sites out to film sets and into editing suites and whatnot. It's not at all unique to AICN. And Harry has messed up several times over the years, no doubt, but the picking of only certain facts and the overall venomous vibe to the content of the article (often making a big deal over small issues) - it just makes me sense a bit of jealousy from whoever wrote it.

3 Dev Adam

11-29-2006, 07:39 PM

Nah, we just love to hate that fat bastard.

AyeCapn

11-29-2006, 08:20 PM

this is the best thread ever

Nebins

11-30-2006, 12:03 AM

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2647/watht6.jpg

Awesome picture! Can't wait to see that move!

3 Dev Adam

11-30-2006, 05:44 AM

I guess this scene will make a lot of people soil their pants.

CFlash

11-30-2006, 08:56 AM

I guess this scene will make a lot of people soil their pants.

Or giggle.

DOG LIPS

11-30-2006, 08:57 AM

Or leave to get candy/popcorn.

Arcturus

11-30-2006, 09:01 AM

or actually be cool and worth watching and not have the audience *****ing like ****ing retards.

xwolverine2

11-30-2006, 02:32 PM

ding ding ding!

Boom

11-30-2006, 03:48 PM

Actually I think that picture's badass :huh:. Definitely elevated my interest.

Spark

12-01-2006, 08:12 AM

He's just the apetiser. Blackout's the main course. :word:

Overman27pj

12-01-2006, 09:54 AM

I just reread the script, less excited this time, and it still held up, even in its rough draft phase. I would love to see some more transformers talking, and from what it sounds like the bumblebee battle in the begining might be the coolest fight in all of it...but either way this movie is gonna give everyone a big rush watching it and will be a great DVD to own...I can't wait!

3 Dev Adam

12-01-2006, 01:23 PM

If we REALLY think about it, Scorponork LITERALLY comes out of Blackout's ass, so he has a logical reason to look crappy.

Not that I think that he looks crappy.

SurfDUI

12-01-2006, 01:28 PM

I hope 'Jody' gets ripped in half.
Damn, It looks like this thing is really going to happen, it will be great to 8 years old again.

Knightsaber Priss

12-01-2006, 02:31 PM

You know, I'm not a huge fan of either Harry Knowles (After that Blade II review that made me want to vomit how could I?) or Don Murphy who is acting like a little Hitler threatening that he shall take Youtube out despite the fact they've partnered up with alot of big corporations, like CBS to pay for the right to put copyrighted videos on their website.

Knightsaber Priss

12-01-2006, 02:33 PM

If we REALLY think about it, Scorponork LITERALLY comes out of Blackout's ass, so he has a logical reason to look crappy.

Not that I think that he looks crappy.

So Scorponok's Alt Mode is a giant turd as opposed to a scorpion?

3 Dev Adam

12-01-2006, 02:34 PM

So Scorponok's Alt Mode is a giant turd as opposed to a scorpion?

No, his alt mode is Blackout's ass. Or whatever a chopper has that can be called "ass".

SurfDUI

12-01-2006, 02:36 PM

So Scorponok's Alt Mode is a giant turd as opposed to a scorpion?

:woot: They can't all be hot.

xwolverine2

12-01-2006, 02:38 PM

ugh......

Golgo-13

12-01-2006, 09:14 PM

At this point, i feel the filmmakers are really dicking with us. I mean NO news in all this time? Unless they've taking a few steps back, as far as the final designs, and have decided to re-design a few things beacuse of the fans concern, i really feel at this point we are just being shut out.

Where the word on Megatrons head, for christ sake?

Avangarde

12-01-2006, 11:47 PM

A couple of new pics of those stupid Pre-Earth Mode toys. They are for sale on ebay.

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=8972

DOG LIPS

12-01-2006, 11:51 PM

*Bids* :o

1987olds442

12-02-2006, 12:58 AM

Thanks to www.tfw2005.com
First Look at Transformers Movie Ratchet Robot Mode

You can also check out the teaser trailer on the Official Transformers Movie website by clicking here, then click here to see all the past Transformers Movie images.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=116584

Substance D

12-02-2006, 01:13 AM

guessing that's rachet. he looks pretty cool. his shape is the closest match to the cartoon.

Nebins

12-02-2006, 02:06 AM

looks pretty sweet to me

Psionic Force

12-02-2006, 03:21 AM

Ratchet looks sweet!

Mister Sinister

12-02-2006, 05:48 AM

Oh...My...God...AWESOME!

Mentok

12-02-2006, 07:18 AM

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/mentok50/robots.jpg

3 Dev Adam

12-02-2006, 07:24 AM

Ratchet in robot mode? Is that the final form? I like.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 07:35 AM

Yes, I hate the gas-mask mouths, but it's a theme and I'll just let this be my last gas-mask mouth complaint and live with it. :cmad:

It looks like the Autobot logo will be on Ratchet's shoulders. Niicceee.

Mentok

12-02-2006, 07:40 AM

They still look way too complicated and silly :down

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 07:41 AM

Like your face! :cmad:

Mentok

12-02-2006, 07:53 AM

Like your face! :cmad:

http://www.claws-and-paws.com/filemanager/active?fid=1571

Lunar_Wolf

12-02-2006, 08:29 AM

Love the design. Is there a reason they have gas mask mouths?

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 08:31 AM

Love the design. Is there a reason they have gas mask mouths?
Robot-realism.

Or they didn't want to animate mouths. :o

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 08:33 AM

woah.... honestly i didnt think id like ratchet, but he looks sweet!

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 08:34 AM

can anyone remove that damn watermark.....lol

Niño Manga

12-02-2006, 08:37 AM

:huh: :huh: :huh: Where did that come from?

Some guy that said that a giant scorpion would beat a T-Rex... Dunno where THAT came from, but i had to answer to it!!!:woot:

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 08:40 AM

that doesnt change the fact that its crazy

Avangarde

12-02-2006, 09:21 AM

Anyway..............:whatever:

Rachet look great IMO, it seems apparent that most, if not all, the TF's will not have a mouth. Not sure of the reasoning behind this (difficult to animate perhaps??:huh: ) either way Rachet gets my thumbs up :up: now bring on Ironhide and Jazz.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 09:22 AM

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 09:26 AM

so i take it all the guns TF from their hands?...... minus optimus and megs of course

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 09:28 AM

Avangarde

12-02-2006, 09:35 AM

Haven't we already seen the Jazz artwork? Or was that fan-stuff?

Sort of, I was kind of refering to something with a little more detail. The Jazz pic was was a very basic pic showing little detail. Not to sound ungreatful or anything, I just would like to see something closer to the finished product.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/4418245175325074b9.jpg

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 09:38 AM

yeah theres no way thats anything near the finished product

Avangarde

12-02-2006, 09:48 AM

That would look quite good if it were used in a comic adaption of the movie

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 09:51 AM

^
Exactly!

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 09:52 AM

I still find it odd that they all have gas-mask mouths, but Prime's shield opens up and he has a mouth. :cmad:

What are those red thingies sticking out by Ratchet's head?

Avangarde

12-02-2006, 09:59 AM

I still find it odd that they all have gas-mask mouths, but Prime's shield opens up and he has a mouth. :cmad:

What are those red thingies sticking out by Ratchet's head?

The siren lights perhaps.

Notice how rachets mouth piece looks like a surgical mask.

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 10:20 AM

looks more like a beak if you see it from a different way

Chris B

12-02-2006, 10:32 AM

I like the movie design for Ratchet.

3 Dev Adam

12-02-2006, 10:51 AM

What are those red thingies sticking out by Ratchet's head?

Headlights.

Arcturus

12-02-2006, 02:01 PM

im lovin it.

bunk

12-02-2006, 02:04 PM

Ratchet looks pretty badass! What's with the weird arm joints though?

Orko Is King

12-02-2006, 02:05 PM

Ratchet looks like he has an angry face on his forehead.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 02:06 PM

Ratchet looks like he has an angry face on his forehead.
You would as well, if you had 17 elbows. :csad:

Arcturus

12-02-2006, 02:11 PM

17 elbows rule, maximum bendage.

TigerClaw

12-02-2006, 03:28 PM

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg
Ratchet looks great. :)

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 04:15 PM

You would as well, if you had 17 elbows. :csad:
you never cease to stop amazing me with your exageration:csad:

zer00

12-02-2006, 04:36 PM

Ratchet is one bad mother ****er

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 04:37 PM

i still like bumblebee better though

DorkyFresh

12-02-2006, 05:41 PM

i can't wait to see these mofos move...

CFlash

12-02-2006, 05:49 PM

I can't wait to see how the toys will transform.

nosebleed.

12-02-2006, 05:50 PM

A little too far from the original version for me:

http://transformers.wikia.com/images/thumb/7/7e/Ratchetg1.jpg/250px-Ratchetg1.jpg

I am really interested in how they actually transform. All of these robot modes look way too complicated to realistically transform without a little cheating from the CGI.

IKnowSomeJudo

12-02-2006, 06:28 PM

Really dig Ratchet.

Mister Sinister

12-02-2006, 06:29 PM

A little too far from the original version for me:

http://transformers.wikia.com/images/thumb/7/7e/Ratchetg1.jpg/250px-Ratchetg1.jpg
Well frankly, what were you expecting? We've known for a long time what the colour scheme was going to be and it was obvious that he was going to be quite far from the G1 incarnation.

PWN3R

12-02-2006, 06:35 PM

Everything about that save for the face looks sweet. I can deal with the face though.

Golgo-13

12-02-2006, 07:38 PM

^. Ditto. Can't wait to see these guys in motion....

millennium movies

12-02-2006, 07:45 PM

from http://www.flickr.com/photos/suzanneandsimon/311278374/in/pool-transformersmovie/

http://static.flickr.com/106/311278382_edcb216d8c.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/103/311278379_70397cd566.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/110/311278378_e647347fe9.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/101/311278374_d15cb74825.jpg

*Dead*End*

12-02-2006, 07:47 PM

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 08:28 PM

http://static.flickr.com/101/311278374_d15cb74825.jpg
that looks like the star trek ship (the Voyager?):woot:

zer00

12-02-2006, 09:15 PM

...the revised version is a more badass mother ****er

xwolverine2

12-02-2006, 09:17 PM

face looks a bit downs syndromy

nosebleed.

12-02-2006, 09:23 PM

...the revised version is a more badass mother ****er

ditto

Well frankly, what were you expecting? We've known for a long time what the colour scheme was going to be and it was obvious that he was going to be quite far from the G1 incarnation.

Well, Jazz's face at least resembles G1...so I was hoping for something similar with Ratchet. I guess that's too much to expect eh?

zer00

12-02-2006, 09:24 PM

at least Ratchet looks like a Transformer

except those weird jointed arms

Orko Is King

12-02-2006, 09:46 PM

Someone at the official messageboards made this version:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2101/mymovieratchetbodywhitenw0.jpghttp://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showthread.php?t=6266

I like the movie version. A lot!

I must say, I like the white and red color scheme A LOT better.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 09:47 PM

I hate it when people make badass revised versions. :csad:

nosebleed.

12-02-2006, 10:48 PM

Yeah, I just showed my wife...she likes the fan made better. She said it looks more like a Transformer and that the puke green doesn't help.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 10:55 PM

It's pretty bad when some random fan can make something you'd **** your pants to see onscreen over a big budget movie crew. :oldrazz:

nosebleed.

12-02-2006, 11:27 PM

Plenty of people did just that on the Superman Returns forums with his costume. And its not the overall design that sucks...just a few details; color and face. Minor things that equate to a world of change.

DOG LIPS

12-02-2006, 11:33 PM

Not to start the gas-mask wars again, but I agree, the faces really do make a HUGE difference. Is anyone 100% happy with any of the faces/heads we've seen so far?

bunk

12-03-2006, 12:08 AM

I'm a 100% with Prime, everybody else is 20% max.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 01:00 AM

tshinn73 from DM.net tweaked the design to make it even more G1. I think he pushed it too much...the one with the movie design body and G1 head and colors worked just fine for me.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2884/jolintimshinn73ratchetfw6.jpg

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 01:03 AM

Most of the badass fan-revisions do just change the colors and the head. If Bay would just give them more reck-o-nizable heads, it would improve them a CRAPLOAD, imo.

Stringer

12-03-2006, 01:26 AM

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg
Good enough I guess

skorponok

12-03-2006, 01:44 AM

Ratchet looks like wadded up aluminum foil :(

Mentok

12-03-2006, 03:01 AM

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2101/mymovieratchetbodywhitenw0.jpghttp://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showthread.php?t=6266

Jesus.. The fan one is so much better its not even funny.

Batx69

12-03-2006, 03:32 AM

Maybe they know that if they mad it as good as the fan made ones it would cause such a fangasim that no work would get done for months afther they saw it, maybe Bay is somekinda humanitarian, but really I doubt it.

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 06:35 AM

im sure all the parts will be explained when it transformes

3 Dev Adam

12-03-2006, 07:18 AM

The look like origami sculptures.

Alchemyst

12-03-2006, 07:46 AM

*Michael Bay* - "Revise MY transformers Will You!?!?!?"

Spark

12-03-2006, 08:03 AM

from http://www.flickr.com/photos/suzanneandsimon/311278374/in/pool-transformersmovie/

Cool. I don't remember an AWACS scene in the script. :word:
Jesus.. The fan one is so much better its not even funny.
:csad:

Avangarde

12-03-2006, 08:19 AM

Someone at the official messageboards made this version:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2101/mymovieratchetbodywhitenw0.jpghttp://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/441824571197aa1587.jpg

http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showthread.php?t=6266

I like the movie version. A lot!

How funny is it that just a few tweeks done by a fan makes all the difference. Those fan made Megatron and Starscream pics were uber cool. Power to the fans!!!

Golgo-13

12-03-2006, 08:23 AM

That fan revision of Ratchet so badass!It's amazing what just changing the color can do to making the character more original. I'd even be willing to accept the face if his colors were more G1.

Damn the wait to see Megatron /Starscream is killing me!

Golgo-13

12-03-2006, 08:27 AM

How funny is it that just a few tweeks done by a fan makes all the difference. Those fan made Megatron and Starscream pics were uber cool. Power to the fans!!!
Where are the fan made pics?

Alchemyst

12-03-2006, 09:51 AM

And whats even funnier is that the fan made pics manage to have the faces look somewhat realistic as opposed to the Bionicle crap we've been getting from Bay and Friends

Avangarde

12-03-2006, 11:01 AM

Where are the fan made pics?They are floating around this forum somewhere, goodluck finding them.

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 12:21 PM

And whats even funnier is that the fan made pics manage to have the faces look somewhat realistic as opposed to the Bionicle crap we've been getting from Bay and Friends
problem is there mouth would be moving like ****ing puppets.....

or worse....... they bend like liquid metal, which would look SUPER fake

3 Dev Adam

12-03-2006, 12:51 PM

Not necessarily.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4101&stc=1&d=1165171877
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4102&stc=1&d=1165172145

bunk

12-03-2006, 01:05 PM

^^^God that so really its scary.....

no, not so much

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 01:34 PM

Not necessarily.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4101&stc=1&d=1165171877
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4102&stc=1&d=1165172145
thank you for proving my point:whatever: lol

Alchemyst

12-03-2006, 01:47 PM

problem is there mouth would be moving like ****ing puppets.....

or worse....... they bend like liquid metal, which would look SUPER fake

I would rather it look like puppets due to the fact that they are robots and on top of that, from the way the script looks, its not like the other autobots excluding Optimus have alot of lines, but hey it was an early draft. Im jus not really liking the faces of what we've been seeing from these leaked pics

Golgo-13

12-03-2006, 03:25 PM

^And the funny thing about that is, the one autobot that isn't soppse to have a traditional mouth (OPTIMUS PRIME)...actual has in Bays vision of TF's. :o

First Megatron has no fusion cannon and Brawl does, and now this.....

...what's next Mr.Bay..Arcee has a penis?

Substance D

12-03-2006, 03:46 PM

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 03:50 PM

Yeah, the human head looks stupid and rather freaky. If they're going to go with the human faces, then stick with a closer version of the cartoon's bodies, or else it looks like they cut off a person's head and stuck it on a metal skeleton. The movie version's head actually matches the body.

Or rather modify the original head to make it as sleek as the body...instead of throwing out all resemblence of the original design out the window and starting over. Because fan recognition of a 20+ year old series means nothing right?

The movie version's head is generic and forgettable.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 03:52 PM

Or rather modify the original head to make it as sleek as the body...instead of throwing out all resemblence of the original design out the window and starting over. Because fan recognition of a 20+ year old series means nothing right?

The movie version's head is generic and forgettable.

Yeah, because that's what I said, right? No. I said the human faces look disgusting on the movie version's body. Either stick with one design, or go with another. Don't mix and match becuase it looks even more like ****.

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 03:59 PM

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:01 PM

problem is there mouth would be moving like ****ing puppets.....

or worse....... they bend like liquid metal, which would look SUPER fake

There was an adequate explanation given to you about how their mouths could move...but you threw that away as lame.

The faces will probably be handled like the Binaltech storyline handles them...the faces are made of up 100's of tiny panels of metal that shift over one another, giving full ranges of movement. The panel seams are almost microscopic, so one can't easily see all the different panels.

So you're just being close minded that an advanced alien race couldn't figure out how to evolve realistic mouths without looking 1. puppet-like, 2. SUPER fake or 3. lame.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:02 PM

They've been making live action adaptations of robot anime for years in Japan, and it all looks like crap in real life. Get over the fact that your crappy cartoon designs look like **** in real life.

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 04:03 PM

yeah and it would look fake........ theres no adequate explanation , it just would look fake... plain and simple

edit-@ nosebleed

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:04 PM

Yeah, because that's what I said, right? No. I said the human faces look disgusting on the movie version's body. Either stick with one design, or go with another. Don't mix and match becuase it looks even more like ****.

Fans can only do so much. It just kind of irks me that the people getting paid to do this come up with such generic looking robots. They are getting directed to do that by people higher than them but it still irks me. They have hundreds of millions of dollars to do whatever they want...and I guess they did just that...whatever they wanted. Very little catering the fans in this movie. Optimus Prime is the only one I'm pretty satisfied with...I guess he's our bone they threw at us.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:06 PM

They've been making live action adaptations of robot anime for years in Japan, and it all looks like crap in real life. Get over the fact that your crappy cartoon designs look like **** in real life.

yeah and it would look fake........ theres no adequate explanation , it just would look fake... plain and simple

edit-@ nosebleed

Such well thought out remarks. You two should start a productions studio together so more mediocre crap can be crapped out. Hire Uwe Boll while you're at it...you'd go together like toilet paper and crap.

xwolverine2

12-03-2006, 04:07 PM

why do you bother talking nosebleed? :rollseyes:

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:08 PM

Yeah, because the blocky designs from the cartoon aren't generic at all... Guess you haven't seen Gundam, Macross, Power Rangers, or any other giant robot anime from Japan... And if the movie designs are so generic, why don't you show us what they resemble? I'd really like to know.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:11 PM

Such well thought out remarks. You two should start a productions studio together so more mediocre crap can be crapped out. Hire Uwe Boll while you're at it...you'd go together like toilet paper and crap.

Like it's any better than repeatedly saying,"Omigod, it's not like the cartoon! They so generic! I hate Bay! But I"m still gonna post in this forum and react like a little girl to every little bit of information that comes out about the movie!"

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:14 PM

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:21 PM

By generic I mean they have zero affiliation to anything Transformers.

Notice that all those you just mentioned, Gundam, Macross, (I'll pretend you didn't mention Power Rangers) are all Japanese. There is ZERO Japanese influence in these designs. If having Japanese based designs was successful for over 20 years for this franchise...why break the mold?

There is no frikkin way that with all the damn money they have to produce this movie that updated designs that remained faithful to the originals by having certain elements remaining the same couldn't be done. Its change for the sake of change (which I know you like, orangelarvabursting).

go choke on bay.

You mean successful amongst little kids and fans that grew up on the show and collected the toys? You mean designs that were used on a children's television show that look stupid in real life from all the fan pictures we've seen? I'm sorry Nosebleed, I didn't know Transformers was such a multicultural, mainstream phenomenon! Where have I been for the last 20 years? Because I just remember it being a crappy kid's show used to sell toys, and now it's just a crappy CG cartoon that's no where near as popular as it used to be. I'm sure you can write a letter to the filmmakers and voice your concern, and they'll happily change everything to appease you. Because you know, they don't need to worry about making this movie appealing to the other 99% of the movie going audience who don't give a **** about the cartoon and would actually think the blocky, Power Ranger designs looked amazingly goofy and stupid in a live action version.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:24 PM

Yeah, it was only popular to little kids and fanboys...which is EXACTLY why they're making a movie that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and will be rated PG-13. Wanna try again?

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:25 PM

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:28 PM

Yeah, it was only popular to little kids and fanboys...which is EXACTLY why they're making a movie that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and will be rated PG-13. Wanna try again?

Yeah, that's why they're changing things to make it more appealing to other demographics. That's why they're pushing the names Bay and Speilberg. They know they can't sell the movie on the basic concept of giant transforming robots alone. They have to make it respectable and appealing to the mainstream. They can't do that if it looks like Power Rangers.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:29 PM

Lunar_Wolf

12-03-2006, 04:30 PM

The faces like the cartoon wouldn't work well on screen. Megatron seems to look closest to any kind of face on any of the robots so far.

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Go Megazord!

http://www.rovang.org/wg/pics/megazord.jpg

Yay, Ultraman!
http://stuntrev.com/staffpages/scottrogers/images/ultraman.jpg

Seriously, this is what you want Transformers to look like? What have you been smoking?
Yeah, but look at them, they're $25 costumes. Put a $150+ mill budget on them and make them CGI, then we'll talk. :oldrazz:

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:34 PM

Yeah, that's why they're changing things to make it more appealing to other demographics. That's why they're pushing the names Bay and Speilberg. They know they can't sell the movie on the basic concept of giant transforming robots alone. They have to make it respectable and appealing to the mainstream. They can't do that if it looks like Power Rangers.

You're the one that brought up and keeps mentioning Power Rangers. A little obsessed?

I'm all for appealing the mainstream...but its also their job to appeal to existing fans. Okay, go ahead and go the route of telling me the only way I have any say in the matter is if I buy a movie ticket.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:35 PM

Yeah, because that's exactly what I've been saying.

I've never said I wanted an EXACT translation of G1. I want an uptodate version of established characters that have some form of resemblence to each other. The movie version of Optimus Prime is a perfect example...even Jazz is good to go. It must suck to not be able to comprehend that...now go ahead and make some more immature rants, its fun letting people here know your intelligence level.

Really, you like the Jazz design? Because I think he looks rather generic. He looks like the robots from Patlabor or Appleseed. See, when I say something looks generic, I back it up. I think Optimus looks like a rabbit. His limbs are too scrawny. He doesn't look like powerful, noble leader he's supposed to. They should change it because I don't like it. I like it this way. I like it that way. I'm going to whine about it until I get my way...

Whoa, I'm sorry... I started to sound like Nosebleed. :yay:

I find it funny how you try to elevate yourself above anyone that disagrees with you by calling them "immature", then you immediately follow it up by insulting them. LOL.

Lunar_Wolf

12-03-2006, 04:36 PM

*sits back and takes out popcorn*

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:36 PM

The faces like the cartoon wouldn't work well on screen. Megatron seems to look closest to any kind of face on any of the robots so far.

Of course they wouldn't work...because its from an 80s cartoon. Its the job of the designers to come up with new ways to try and do it...and its apparent that the weren't imaginative enough to give an advanced alien robot a mouth other than one full of sharp teeth and jagged lips.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:39 PM

Really, you like the Jazz design? Because I think he looks rather generic. He looks like the robots from Patlabor or Appleseed. See, when I say something looks generic, I back it up. I think Optimus looks like a rabbit. His limbs are too scrawny. He doesn't look like powerful, noble leader he's supposed to. They should change it because I don't like it. I like it this way. I like it that way. I'm going to whine about it until I get my way...

Whoa, I'm sorry... I started to sound like Nosebleed. :yay:

I find it funny how you try to elevate yourself above anyone that disagrees with you by calling them "immature", then you immediately follow it up by insulting them. LOL.

I only insult those who throw it out first...and you're full of it so its all good.

And I've said before that I'll be optimistic about this movie. I'm still going to be there on opening day. I'm still giving Bay my money...because I want to see a Transformers movie. But when people defend these designs like they are the best that can be done on a 150 million dollar budget...then I gotta call BS. YOU can do better than these designs. Hell, I'd love to see you sketch something out...have you ever tried robots? I've only seen you draw people.

Lunar_Wolf

12-03-2006, 04:39 PM

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:39 PM

You're the one that brought up and keeps mentioning Power Rangers. A little obsessed?

I'm all for appealing the mainstream...but its also their job to appeal to existing fans. Okay, go ahead and go the route of telling me the only way I have any say in the matter is if I buy a movie ticket.

I bring up Powers Rangers because that's what the cartoon versions would look like. The same dead, expressionless faces and the same blocky designs. And so what if I'm obsessed with Powers Rangers? Then you're obviously obsessed with Transformers! Nerd!

(And at least PR has attractive human females. Have fun masturbating to Arcee! :woot:)

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:41 PM

I can see your point, but do robots really need mouths and noses ?

If that would make them 10x more recognizable to their original characters...then why not?

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:42 PM

I bring up Powers Rangers because that's what the cartoon versions would look like. The same dead, expressionless faces and the same blocky designs. And so what if I'm obsessed with Powers Rangers? Then you're obviously obsessed with Transformers! Nerd!

(And at least PR has attractive human females. Have fun masturbating to Arcee! :woot:)

You might have the yellow and pink rangers...but we have Megan Fox. And you're damn right I'm obsessed with Transformers...just like you're obsessed with huge headed teenagers.

Tad Fatherton

12-03-2006, 04:43 PM

Of course they wouldn't work...because its from an 80s cartoon. Its the job of the designers to come up with new ways to try and do it...and its apparent that the weren't imaginative enough to give an advanced alien robot a mouth other than one full of sharp teeth and jagged lips.
you're complaining that the designers weren't imaginative enough because they came up with new designs?

i don't understand your argument. you are unhappy that the movie robots don't look like the cartoon robots but then complain that the robots from the cartoon wouldn't work on the big screen.

does cflash have two accounts on this message board or something?

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:46 PM

you're complaining that the designers weren't imaginative enough because they came up with new designs?

Its easier to make a new design than redesign existing ones.
i don't understand your argument. you are unhappy that the movie robots don't look like the cartoon robots

I'm unhappy that they don't resemble them.

but then complain that the robots from the cartoon wouldn't work on the big screen.

Who said they would?

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 04:48 PM

Tad Fatherton

12-03-2006, 04:48 PM

Its easier to make a new design than redesign existing ones.
prove it

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:49 PM

I only insult those who throw it out first...and you're full of it so its all good.

And I've said before that I'll be optimistic about this movie. I'm still going to be there on opening day. I'm still giving Bay my money...because I want to see a Transformers movie. But when people defend these designs like they are the best that can be done on a 150 million dollar budget...then I gotta call BS. YOU can do better than these designs. Hell, I'd love to see you sketch something out...have you ever tried robots? I've only seen you draw people.

But see, that's exactly what they did. The movie designs scream big, overblown budget. I appreciate the complicated, intricate movie designs. The filmmakers said they were going to look like alien robot lifeforms. That's what we got. They said they're going to look amazing when they transform. Judging from the designs and test footage, they should be. Going off what the filmmakers said, it looks like they are doing a pretty good job of sticking to their goals. This isn't going to be the cartoon, I've realized that. I appreciate it for what it is, and that's a more realistic interpretation of the basic concept. IMO, there's so much that sucked from the original cartoon I see alot of the changes as improvements. They change alot of stuff in comicbook movies to make them more modern and less cheesy, this is no different.

Tad Fatherton

12-03-2006, 04:49 PM

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:49 PM

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 04:50 PM

v for vendetta

star wars
Robots, man! Robots! :cmad:

Well, BB did look pretty damn scared in that one close-up.
With no eyelids he will always look scared. :csad:

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:50 PM

You might have the yellow and pink rangers...but we have Megan Fox. And you're damn right I'm obsessed with Transformers...just like you're obsessed with huge headed teenagers.

Megan Fox wasn't in the original cartoon! PWNED!

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:51 PM

Megan Fox wasn't in the original cartoon! PWNED!

Not according to my imagination.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:52 PM

v for vendetta

star wars

Those characters masks weren't meant to emote.

Green Goblin sucked.

Tad Fatherton

12-03-2006, 04:52 PM

Robots, man! Robots! :cmad:
:whatever:
The problem I have with their heads/faces is they all look cold and emotionless. Imagine if your actor wore a gas-mask the whole movie, but yet you are supposed to sympathize for him, or feel sorry for him when he gets hurt.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 04:53 PM

The problem I have with their heads/faces is they all look cold and emotionless. Imagine if your actor wore a gas-mask the whole movie, but yet you are supposed to sympathize for him, or feel sorry for him when he gets hurt. They need more human faces IMO to be the robots "we" know and love, and also for newer fans to know and love. Not generic soldier-bots. Yes, I understand mouths are a hard subject, but son of a *****, is it too much to ask that they at least have some personality to their faces? :cmad:

Yeah, that's true. I can see where you're coming from, but we've only seen drawings so far. I remember that close up of BB's face from a while back. His eyes looked all too human, IMO. I can see how they can garner an emotional response from him. Hopefully, the other bots will be the same when finished.

Tad Fatherton

12-03-2006, 04:54 PM

Those characters masks weren't meant to emote.

Green Goblin sucked.
yes they were, for you to make this statement it is pretty likely that you didn't see any of the movies.

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 04:55 PM

v for vendetta

star wars
Also, to these suggestions even as humans with masks, they had to give HUGE amounts of story and background, mostly tragic to these characters to make you give a crap about them. I don't think these "giant CGI robots" are going to have any kind of tragic family flashbacks, or scenes of lab torture that burns them for life. Plus, as said, they are GIANT CGI ROBOTS. :oldrazz:

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:55 PM

yes they were, for you to make this statement it is pretty likely that you didn't see any of the movies.

Let me rephrase...those character's faces weren't meant to move. Whereas the original Transformers' faces did.

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 04:57 PM

Also, to these suggestions even as humans with masks, they had to give HUGE amounts of story and background, mostly tragic to these characters to make you give a crap about them. I don't think these "giant CGI robots" are going to have any kind of tragic family flashbacks, or scenes of lab torture. Plus, as said, they are GIANT CGI ROBOTS. :oldrazz:

damn good point. Bay isn't known for his character development.

But we will get HUGE ****ING ROBOTS. I'm surprised Will Smith isn't voicing anybody.

Substance D

12-03-2006, 05:00 PM

Also, to these suggestions even as humans with masks, they had to give HUGE amounts of story and background, mostly tragic to these characters to make you give a crap about them. I don't think these "giant CGI robots" are going to have any kind of tragic family flashbacks, or scenes of lab torture that burns them for life. Plus, as said, they are GIANT CGI ROBOTS. :oldrazz:

But Optimus never had a mouth to begin with, and isn't he the most iconic and popular Autobot?

Substance D

12-03-2006, 05:02 PM

Let me rephrase...those character's faces weren't meant to move. Whereas the original Transformers' faces did.

Jazz and Optimus didn't have mouths. They have two of the most distinctive personalities as well.

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 05:04 PM

But Optimus never had a mouth to begin with, and isn't he the most iconic and popular Autobot?
OK, let's go with this. By the time I saw TF the movie, I had seen YEARS of the cartoon. So when he died, I felt sad as hell when their "leader" died. Most all the others had mouths, and human faces as well, thus making Prime more stand-out as far as his face shield. I cared about him because he was their leader, and I had seen him on TV every week in new adventures, then seen him die in the movie tragically. Now they ALL have Prime faces, and there won't be more than an hour and a half to build up emotion for these blank-faced robots. Not sure if that makes sense. :p

nosebleed.

12-03-2006, 05:05 PM

But they're giving him a mouth.

The robots that didn't have mouths...they're giving gasmasks. The MAIN robot that didn't have a mouth...is getting one. And Megatron looks like xw2's mom.

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 05:05 PM

But Optimus never had a mouth to begin with, and isn't he the most iconic and popular Autobot?
Glad you edited the text 7,000 times bigger, or I wouldn't have gotten the point. :whatever:

DOG LIPS

12-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Jazz and Optimus didn't have mouths. They have two of the most distinctive personalities as well.
Jazz had a mouth. He just had the visor.