Pictures Discussion Thread

[RED-RAIN]

yeah, i know dude... just commenting that if that were to be accurate, it would be pretty cool

[ffejeromdiks]

Sorry guys i really shoulda made it more clear, i thought the first line woulda been enough.

This isnt gonna happen since bay said we would see little of the bots, but


I was just Describing what i would want in the teaser.

[Stringer]

According to Murphy if the trailer doesnt impress us nothing will.

[4NutzinYoface]

Please tell me the pics of the toys a few pages back aren't going to be the toys based off the movie..is this for sure? I mean...how UN detailed are these friggin' things? Are there going to be cooler toys? I should hope so...damn Hasbro :cmad:


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246640&page=257 <----The Link to the pics....they all blow! :(

[GoldGoblin]

Starscream looks terrible,they should make him thinner and more sleeker looking.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I hope it's one of them situations where were not expecting much but we get a lot and it blows our ****ing brain out the other side of our head.:yay:

[ShadowBoxing]

According to Murphy if the trailer doesnt impress us nothing will.

Bay: If this doesn't stop it, nothing will.

Murphy: The explosives are activated, let's get out of here.

(moments later)

Bay: Look!

Murphy: It isn't even dented.
(beat)
Murphy: Oh Sh**, what are we gonna do now.

Bay: We're being sucked into it.

Simon Furman: Why Fans, Cybertron and all it's moons belong to me.

[Golgo-13]

According to Murphy if the trailer doesnt impress us nothing will.
Well he's really putting his neck in the guillotine then, with that statement.:wow:

[Advanced Dark]

I'm more intersted in Die Hard 4 than this film so far.

[RED-RAIN]

^really?
i loved all previous die hard movies, but that trailer has pretty much informed me that die hard is no longer the staple for "realistic" action scenes.... it just looks like it has become another summer movie with dodgy effects, and dodgy actors (ie: justin long)
attack me now, if ye will..... but that's just me venting a little dissapointment.

[Octoberist]

I'm more intersted in Die Hard 4 than this film so far.

Of course. That's because Die Hard has a teaser already.

[Advanced Dark]

No because I liked the first films, and I never played with transformers dolls or whatever you call them, and I'm over the age bracket Transformers is probably geared towards. I'm also more interested in FF2, Iron Man, Hulk, The Dark Knight, Spiderman 3...none of which have teasers. Hell I can't wait for Rambo IV. Transformers is the riskiest big budget release I've seen in a long long time...since well...the Island. But I loved the Island.

[DOG LIPS]

No because I liked the first films, and I never played with transformers dolls or whatever you call them, and I'm over the age bracket Transformers is probably geared towards. I'm also more interested in FF2, Iron Man, Hulk, The Dark Knight, Spiderman 3...none of which have teasers. Hell I can't wait for Rambo IV. Transformers is the riskiest big budget release I've seen in a long long time...since well...the Island. But I loved the Island.
Leave now. You are no longer allowed in this forum. Come back and you will be banned.

[Danger Mouse]

Leave now. You are no longer allowed in this forum. Come back and you will be banned.
Ban him? I THINK NOT!

I loved The Island as well. YOU leave! :o

[Advanced Dark]

Hello? Am i in the twilight zone? LOL

Edit: You worried me there for a minute. LOL

Look into the spiral of confusion:

http://www.xpenguin.com/animation.gif

[CFlash]

Ban her? I THINK NOT!

I loved The Island as well. YOU leave! :o

Isn't it an overstatement for anybody to say they LOVED The Island. I mean I can see someone saying it was OK, or "liked" it, or whatever.... but loved it? That's like saying Vanilla Ice is your favorite rapper ever.

[Advanced Dark]

No I actually loved that film especially thet first time I saw it. I caught an advanced screening and was blown away. I had no idea what it was about or anything and was wowed. I bought the DVD and have seen it at least 3 or 4 more times. So no it's not an overstatement unless your position is you can't love a movie.

Edit: As far as favorite rappers? Isn't that an oxymoron.

[Danger Mouse]

Isn't it an overstatement for anybody to say they LOVED The Island. I mean I can see someone saying it was OK, or "liked" it, or whatever.... but loved it? That's like saying Vanilla Ice is your favorite rapper ever.
I thought it was more than just 'okay' and I happen to like it a lot.

And I still listen to Ice Ice Baby.

Is there a problem? :huh:

[DOG LIPS]

Is there a problem? :huh:
Yeah, your face. :cmad:

[Advanced Dark]

I thought it was more than just 'okay' and I happen to like it a lot.

And I still listen to Ice Ice Baby.

Is there a problem? :huh:

It could be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A7tLVIsuNw

[CFlash]

I thought it was more than just 'okay' and I happen to like it a lot.

And I still listen to Ice Ice Baby.

Is there a problem? :huh:

Don't worry. I know Ice Ice Baby by heart. But, when someone says something like I loved The Island... I just smile... especially since those same people usually hate movies like Gattaca or <insert well-made sci-fi movie> here. It's a bit sad.

[Avangarde]

Ice Ice Baby? *tip toes away*

[Danger Mouse]

Don't worry. I know Ice Ice Baby by heart. But, when someone says something like I loved The Island... I just smile... especially since those same people usually hate movies like Gattaca or <insert well-made sci-fi movie> here. It's a bit sad.
I absolutely LOVE Gattaca. Brilliant movie. :up:

[CFlash]

I absolutely LOVE Gattaca. Brilliant movie. :up:

I agree. Gattaca was brilliant... and brilliantly done.
With that in mind, don't you think The Island would have been better served by a better director? I do.

[Danger Mouse]

I agree. Gattaca was brilliant... and brilliantly done.
With that in mind, don't you think The Island would have been better served by a better director? I do.
Probably. In the hands of a better director, the movie might have a better execution. As would ANY movie, for that matter. But that does not mean I regard Bay's direction of the movie as utter crap.

But I'm not fanatic. I know that The Island is nowhere near Gattaca or other similar cinematic gems.

[CFlash]

Probably. In the hands of a better director, the movie might have a better execution. As would ANY movie, for that matter. But that does not mean I regard Bay's direction of the movie as utter crap.

But I'm not fanatic. I know that The Island is nowhere near Gattaca or other similar cinematic gems.

Exactly my point.
Sadly, it could have been.

[Danger Mouse]

Exactly my point.
Sadly, it could have been.
Could The Island have been better? Most definitely. Be that as it may, I still think it's a pretty darn good movie.

[Stringer]

Yeah it wasnt nearly as bad as people made it seem.

[3 Dev Adam]

The Island was nice. Bay's not a visionary, but he's no hack either.

[roach]

No because I liked the first films, and I never played with transformers dolls or whatever you call them, and I'm over the age bracket Transformers is probably geared towards. I'm also more interested in FF2, Iron Man, Hulk, The Dark Knight, Spiderman 3...none of which have teasers. Hell I can't wait for Rambo IV. Transformers is the riskiest big budget release I've seen in a long long time...since well...the Island. But I loved the Island.


am I the only one who saw this and was confused...im pretty sure the age bracket(I guess you mean demographic which unless you are over 30 you are in it) is the same for Transformers and Spider-man 3

[Avangarde]

am I the only one who saw this and was confused...im pretty sure the age bracket(I guess you mean demographic which unless you are over 30 you are in it) is the same for Transformers and Spider-man 3

Yes I was to, I just didn't what to dignify it with a response. Another dumb thing is he has list two there that have had teasers ie SM3 and FF2. :huh:

[Dr Lee]

FF2? not Fantastic Four 2?

[Avangarde]

indeed :rolleyes:

[roach]

FF2 has a teaser

[Dr Lee]

really? when did that come out and how did i miss that?

[Avangarde]

really? when did that come out and how did i miss that?

:eek: OMG where have you been? Go see Night in the Museum this week.

[Dr Lee]

I've just gone through the teaser thread over in the FF2 board and it says that it's been pushed back.

As much as i'd love to go and see that movie Christmas has eaten all my money.

[xforce]

The Island was nice. Bay's not a visionary, but he's no hack either.Once you block out the shameless ripping off of Matrix, Logan's Run, Blade Runner, Planet of the Apes and half a dozen other really groundbreaking movies, and concentrate on Scarlett Johansson's b(.)(.)bs, the movie is quite enjoyable. :yay:

[DorkyFresh]

Once you block out the shameless ripping off of Matrix, Logan's Run, Blade Runner, Planet of the Apes and half a dozen other really groundbreaking movies...

i dunno how you came to the conclusion that it ripped off of the Matrix, Blade Runner, or Planet of the Apes...but even if they had similar elements, you could easily say that most sci fi movies now-a-days have elements of sci fi movies that've already been made...that doesn't necessarily mean they ripped those elements off. that's like saying Terminator ripped off of Lost in Space for using robots...

...but i agree about Logan's Run......and Scarlett's bitties.

[terry78]

i dunno how you came to the conclusion that it ripped off of the Matrix, Blade Runner, or Planet of the Apes...but even if they had similar elements, you could easily say that most sci fi movies now-a-days have elements of sci fi movies that've already been made...that doesn't necessarily mean they ripped those elements off. that's like saying Terminator ripped off of Lost in Space for using robots...

...but i agree about Logan's Run......and Scarlett's bitties.
If that's the case, every sci-fi movie made since then has ripped them off. You can only do so much original sci-fi.

[Avangarde]

If that's the case, every sci-fi movie made since then has ripped them off. You can only do so much original sci-fi.

Yes this is true, these days its more about plot and character development, Sci Fi elements are forever being recycled all the time now.

[Avangarde]

Anyone notice how Barricades face looks like it has been influenced buy the Decepticon logo? There are some very similar features like the twin strips could represent the eyes, the sloped forehead into a triangle, and then the pointy cheaks pointing down. Anyone else see it?

http://www.harbx.com/images/desktop/transformers/barricade_mbody_1280x1024_1.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

am I the only one who saw this and was confused...im pretty sure the age bracket(I guess you mean demographic which unless you are over 30 you are in it) is the same for Transformers and Spider-man 3

1) I am over 30.
2) Spiderman has a much broader fan base than Trasnformers will ever have. It appeals to all demographics. Transformers does not. I don't know a single person (offline) that has any desire to see Trasnformers. Once I see the trailer I might change my mind.

You see most kids growing up they fantasize about having special powers, being a hero, etc...Kids and adults can relate to characters like Peter Parker because he has flaws, he's not perfect, he's vulnerable, yet he can do things we'd all love to do. I don't think anyone growing up ever could relate to a truck that turns into a robot and most people that are mentally stable don't fantasize about being a hunk of metal. Transformers doesn't have 50 years of storylines and character development. It had action figures and an animated movie. It's cool as a child to tinker with those toys but to make such a huge production based on them to me is the riskiest venture to date.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Anyone notice how Barricades face looks like it has been influenced buy the Decepticon logo? There are some very similar features like the twin strips could represent the eyes, the sloped forehead into a triangle, and then the pointy cheaks pointing down. Anyone else see it?

http://www.harbx.com/images/desktop/transformers/barricade_mbody_1280x1024_1.jpg
I didn't notice that before, good eye!

[nosebleed.]

1) I am over 30.

congratulations.

2) Spiderman has a much broader fan base than Trasnformers will ever have. It appeals to all demographics. Transformers does not. I don't know a single person (offline) that has any desire to see Trasnformers. Once I see the trailer I might change my mind.

Spider-man (not Spiderman) has 44 years of history...of course it has a much broader fan base. Your office is not a good example of an entire demographic. Spider-man the movie had very good word of mouth and was able to appeal to everyone...what do you think this movie is going to try and do?

You see most kids growing up they fantasize about having special powers, being a hero, etc...Kids and adults can relate to characters like Peter Parker because he has flaws, he's not perfect, he's vulnerable, yet he can do things we'd all love to do. I don't think anyone growing up ever could relate to a truck that turns into a robot and most people that are mentally stable don't fantasize about being a hunk of metal.

Did you come here just to insult Transformer fans? Calling people unstable because we are fans? If this is the case then please go away.

Transformers doesn't have 50 years of storylines and character development.

Spider-man doesn't have 50 years either...only 44. It had action figures and an animated movie.

You are very ignorant on the history of Transformers so please don't speak of it like you know about it. It has had much more than just action figures and an animated movie...otherwise it wouldn't be around today. It's cool as a child to tinker with those toys but to make such a huge production based on them to me is the riskiest venture to date.

Same could be said of Spider-man...your points are flawed and are very biased. Is there a point to your bashing or are you just trying to get a rise out of people here?

[Hunter Rider]

Same could be said of Spider-man...your points are flawed and are very biased. Is there a point to your bashing or are you just trying to get a rise out of people here?

Was that question retorical ?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Who did I insult??? Do you fantasize about being a piece of metal? Read before your comment...I was making a point about why spider-man has a broader fanbase. Grow up please.

Tranformers and Spider-Man are not in the same league. There was nothing risky about making a Spider-Man movie. The fanbase is enormous and the franchise has consistently been visible to the public since its inception. You can't walk down the street without seeing something releated to spider-man even before the film. There were several animated series, a live action tv series, 44 years of stories in various formats from comic books, childrens books, etc...An unending supply of toys, video games, and crossovers with other popular characters, etc...

The whole point of this argument was what demographic these things appeal to. I brought up my age because someone else did.

[CFlash]

1) I am over 30.
2) Spiderman has a much broader fan base than Trasnformers will ever have. It appeals to all demographics. Transformers does not. I don't know a single person (offline) that has any desire to see Trasnformers. Once I see the trailer I might change my mind.

You see most kids growing up they fantasize about having special powers, being a hero, etc...Kids and adults can relate to characters like Peter Parker because he has flaws, he's not perfect, he's vulnerable, yet he can do things we'd all love to do. I don't think anyone growing up ever could relate to a truck that turns into a robot and most people that are mentally stable don't fantasize about being a hunk of metal. Transformers doesn't have 50 years of storylines and character development. It had action figures and an animated movie. It's cool as a child to tinker with those toys but to make such a huge production based on them to me is the riskiest venture to date.

I think you're right for the most part. I think part of the hoopla or appeal for Gen-X'ers (and a small part of Gen-Y) is that it's like "Hey, they're making a movie about my stuff. MY stuff." It will be a similar thing with Knight Rider (if and) when it comes out.

Having said that, I think TF is special. Out of all the franchises and toys of the time (and there were LOTS... not just easy-to-rememer stuff like Gobots or MOTU but some things we've all forgotten about like Insectaurs, MASK, etc etc) Transformers had one of the most compelling and believable sci-fi backstory. It was amazing. Sadly, most of that seems discarded by the upcoming movie.

[Advanced Dark]

Thanks. I made legitmate points but some people get insulted when Optimus Prime is challenged. :o

[Lunar_Wolf]

1) I am over 30.
2) Spiderman has a much broader fan base than Trasnformers will ever have. It appeals to all demographics. Transformers does not. I don't know a single person (offline) that has any desire to see Trasnformers. Once I see the trailer I might change my mind.

You see most kids growing up they fantasize about having special powers, being a hero, etc...Kids and adults can relate to characters like Peter Parker because he has flaws, he's not perfect, he's vulnerable, yet he can do things we'd all love to do. I don't think anyone growing up ever could relate to a truck that turns into a robot and most people that are mentally stable don't fantasize about being a hunk of metal. Transformers doesn't have 50 years of storylines and character development. It had action figures and an animated movie. It's cool as a child to tinker with those toys but to make such a huge production based on them to me is the riskiest venture to date.

I agree that Spider-man does have a broader fan base, but Transformers have fans from the 80's and fans today because of Energon, Cybertron and Armada. Everyone knows what a Transformer is. The toys werent just something you would tinker with, they were and are still one of the best toys of all time. Even a huge franchise like Star Wars have brought out Transformers/Star Wars toys.

[Hunter Rider]

This is hilarious,the seering underlying motivations amuse the hell out of me:woot:

[Advanced Dark]

I'm not bashing this movie. I'm just saying I don't see how a huge production like this got off the ground. I think it's the riskiest film made in years. If I like the trailers...I'll go and see it for sure. Some how they're going to have to make the characters very interesting and flesh out a great story or it'll be another Godzilla. The Star Wars toys were based on a trilogy of films that had some of the greatest "human" characters of all time. They were the heroes not robots. It was cool as a kid imagining yourself as Han Solo, Luke, or even Darth. Not very many kids wanted to pretend they were R2D2 unless they were joking. The toys around these characters were things they interacted with like the fighters, ships, guns, and various other action figures that we grew up watching on the big screen. We'll see if Transformers the movie has that kind of impact on toys but I can't imagine the characters in this film having the same appeal. The robot toys might again be fun to tinker with but it's gets old.

[nosebleed.]

Your snide comments about "transformers dolls" was a legitimate point? Seemed like a sideways insult to me? Its all the same...it was all originally geared toward children. Do you think that Spider-man was geared toward the adult market when it was first released in 1962? It was geared to kids who collected comics...the kids grew up and their kids read the comics. Its pretty much the same thing with Transformers...how does it differ aside from the fact that they are robots?

People drive cars...there's your relation...there were some cool vehicles that people could relate to. One of the most popular Transformer toylines today are the Alternator line that use today's cars as models for original Transformers. People had to relate to it somehow if Transformers are still around today...20 years of nothing but "action figures and an animated movie" is nothing to turn your nose up to.

It seems like YOU can't relate to Transformers so you can't find anything positive to say about it.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Ok we disagree and dolls is a quicker word to type than action figures. Again...I'm not knocking the movie. I haven't seen the movie, and haven't seen the trailer. I just don't see how the budget will be supported. We disagree and we've made our points.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I'm not bashing this movie. I'm just saying I don't see how a huge production like this got off the ground. I think it's the riskiest film made in years. If I like the trailers...I'll go and see it for sure. Some how they're going to have to make the characters very interesting and flesh out a great story or it'll be another Godzilla.

Like I said before A LOT relies on the next teaser. It has to get people pumped. If this teaser blows people away, word of mouth to offline people will spread like crazy. People who see this teaser in the movies will have to be blown away too, to get word around as well. But the name Transformers will interest a lot of movie goers no matter what.

[Advanced Dark]

^ The problem is there's no way to make a live action Transformers movie without it being a big budget. The mechs might look cool but what's the story? It seems like a step backwards for Michael Bay who seemed to have matured with The Island. I hope Transformers surprises me and is a great film. The real trailer comes out soon right???

[nosebleed.]

I'm not bashing this movie. I'm just saying I don't see how a huge production like this got off the ground. I think it's the riskiest film made in years. If I like the trailers...I'll go and see it for sure. Some how they're going to have to make the characters very interesting and flesh out a great story or it'll be another Godzilla. The Star Wars toys were based on a trilogy of films that had some of the greatest "human" characters of all time. They were the heroes not robots. It was cool as a kid imagining yourself as Han Solo, Luke, or even Darth. Not very many kids wanted to pretend they were R2D2 unless they were joking. The toys around these characters were things they interacted with like the fighters, ships, guns, and various other action figures that we grew up watching on the big screen. We'll see if Transformers the movie has that kind of impact on toys but I can't imagine the characters in this film having the same appeal. The robot toys might again be fun to tinker with but it's gets old.

You see, you cannot find a way to relate to Transformers. When I was a kid and I saw a big red semi driving down the highway I thought of how cool it would be to see it Transform right then and there into a huge robot. Just like when I was a kid and I was in NY I looked up and wanted to see Spider-man swinging from building to building. You don't have to want to BE the characters but put yourself into their world...its not that difficult to understand.

What's the difference between "tinkering" with a Transformers toy and a Spider-man toy? There are PLENTY of adult Spider-man memorabilia collectors...same as Transformers. Hell, BOTCON is a HUGE toy-con.

I don't see how you can't see that they are essentially similar.

[Advanced Dark]

^ No I can't relate to a robot and when I was a kid the toys were very popular but I didn't care for them. I loved Star Wars, Galactica, Star Trek, etc...I never caught the fun of Transformers or all the clones like Voltron. There wasn't more than meets the eye for me. The eye candy draw will be big but if there's not a solid story weaving through it...it could bomb bigtime.

[Lunar_Wolf]

^ The problem is there's no way to make a live action Transformers movie without it being a big budget. The mechs might look cool but what's the story? It seems like a step backwards for Michael Bay who seemed to have matured with The Island. I hope Transformers surprises me and is a great film. The real trailer comes out soon right???

I don't think it's a full trailer, just a teaser. Some guy who watched the teaser said ''It's ****ing awesome''.

Transformers will make it's money back. Theres a big enough market for it. I'm just worried about the teaser, so much relies on it.

[nosebleed.]

^ No I can't relate to a robot and when I was a kid the toys were very popular but I didn't care for them. I loved Star Wars, Galactica, Star Trek, etc...I never caught the fun of Transformers or all the clones like Voltron. There wasn't more than meets the eye for me.

Once again...just because you couldn't relate to it doesn't mean a good majority of the population couldn't either. I can't relate to Galactica or Star Trek...it doesn't mean there's not some great stories in there.

The eye candy draw will be big but if there's not a solid story weaving through it...it could bomb bigtime.

THERE!! You NAILED it! That's what a lot of Transformer fans are worried about because Michael Bay is not known for character development or story driven movies...whereas Sam Raimi's movies were more compelling both visually and storywise. There is MORE than enough story to draw from the history of the Transformers to make a great sci-fi movie...it just needs to correct person with enough vision to realize it. We'll see how it turns out but you can't blame the Transformers franchise for a director's possible lack of vision.

[Advanced Dark]

Yep. The teaser is very important and the marketing. Hell the first FF film was mediocre but the teaser was pretty cool and the marketing was tremendous. It enabled the franchise to continue, gave confidence to the studio to take a bigger risk with the sequel, and hopefully that franchise will continue. But imagine a studio taking 100 million dollars and making Monopoly the movie. The game has a huge fanbase does't it so you'd think it'd make hundreds of millions. I'm being slightly sarcastic but I had to...to make my point.

[Advanced Dark]

THERE!! You NAILED it! That's what a lot of Transformer fans are worried about because Michael Bay is not known for character development or story driven movies...whereas Sam Raimi's movies were more compelling both visually and storywise. There is MORE than enough story to draw from the history of the Transformers to make a great sci-fi movie...it just needs to correct person with enough vision to realize it. We'll see how it turns out but you can't blame the Transformers franchise for a director's possible lack of vision.

Well he had a pretty cool storyline running through The Island though it was ripped off from several other films and books.

[CFlash]

Well he had a pretty cool storyline running through The Island though it was ripped off from several other films and books.

Yup. Unfortunately, he managed to dumbed-down and castrate that cool storyline. In the hands of someone like Andrew Niccol or even Paul Verhoeven The Island could have been a classic.

[nosebleed.]

Yep. The teaser is very important and the marketing. Hell the first FF film was mediocre but the teaser was pretty cool and the marketing was tremendous. It enabled the franchise to continue, gave confidence to the studio to take a bigger risk with the sequel, and hopefully that franchise will continue. But imagine a studio taking 100 million dollars and making Monopoly the movie. The game has a huge fanbase does't it so you'd think it'd make hundreds of millions. I'm being slightly sarcastic but I had to...to make my point.

There have been bigger risks on lesser franchises. Transformers is a household name...maybe notsomuch as comic book foundations like Spider-man or Batman, but its still relatively well known.

[Advanced Dark]

I can't think of any bigger risks. The Island was a big risk that flopped in the US but did better overseas. I'd say Godzilla was a big risk too, Wild Wild West, Waterworld, and others. I'm not saying this because the flopped but because of the material/content was awful.

[ragdus]

Transformers is a risk the same way (forgive me for getting all CFlash here) Godzilla '98 was a risk:


They are taking something that is very well known with a loyal & passionate fanbase and trying to reimagine it. Tell a story that is different than what has been done before. I hope they pull it off, and I'm confident they can. But if it sucks, it'll be a colossal letdown for me.

[ragdus]

Waterworld



Hands down the biggest risk coupled with a huge flop.

[nosebleed.]

I can't think of any bigger risks. The Island was a big risk that flopped in the US but did better overseas. I'd say Godzilla was a big risk too, Wild Wild West, Waterworld, and others. I'm not saying this because the flopped but because of the material/content was awful.

There are plenty...the majority of comic book movies like Daredevil ($78 mil), Blade, Hellboy ($66 mil), V for Vendetta ($54 mil)...etc. Now the budget for Transformers might be higher...but it has the backing of Steven Spielberg as exec producer...so it has higher expectations to deliver.

edit...eating my words. I can't think of any bigger risks also besides Waterworld...but risks are taken and studios do go bankrupt. We'll see if Transformers makes or breaks Bay.

[CFlash]

Transformers is a risk the same way (forgive me for getting all CFlash here) Godzilla '98 was a risk:


They are taking something that is very well known with a loyal & passionate fanbase and trying to reimagine it. Tell a story that is different than what has been done before. I hope they pull it off, and I'm confident they can. But if it sucks, it'll be a colossal letdown for me.

When you try to "reimagine" a story in an outrageously different way (like Godzilla 98... and IMO Bay's Transformers), it's not really the same story now is it? Why call it the same name?

Heck, even the new Galactica... (which I don't like--- great writing notwithstanding, I just can't stomach them wearing Timberland boots and having explosives with the word C4 stamped on them) manages to hit all the same beats and plot points as the original. Those guys got it right (in most ways).

When you take Gojira, strip him of nuke fire, make France the bad guys, and have him run away from the military like a whiny b*tch, it's not Godzilla. It's a PARODY.

[DOG LIPS]

When you take Gojira, strip him of nuke fire, make France the bad guys, and have him run away from the military like a whiny b*tch, it's not Godzilla. It's a PARODY.
Didn't he just breathe normal fire like once for no reason? It was like a fire-breath cameo. :csad:

[nosebleed.]

edit...eating my words. I can't think of any bigger risks also besides Waterworld...but risks are taken and studios do go bankrupt. We'll see if Transformers makes or breaks Bay.

Lots of flops with huge budgets on here: http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/allbudgets.php

with Alexander and Poseidon looking really painful. Stealth and Final Fantasy don't look that great in their US gross either.

[Orion Pax]

Didn't he just breathe normal fire like once for no reason? It was like a fire-breath cameo. :csad:

Actually I think his breath was flamable. There was a fire near by and when he cried out his breath caught fire. I could be wrong. I didn't watch that movie too many times.

[millennium movies]

What happened to the pictures? I just see an endless sea of words :O

[Lunar_Wolf]

Besides Peter Cullen does anyone know who else will be providing voice? And I wonder if Cullen will provide the voice for Ironhide?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Poseidon had huge potential that was a total f-up. Stealth was just stupid. The whole premise was idiotic and had almost no appeal. It was mildly entertaining at times. Stealth is kind of an example of what I'd be concerned about if I was a producer. It's the story of fighter plane that becomes self aware. Hello? Not much flexibility in that script as far as what you can do. I thought the film Vin Diesel was gonna do (Dreadnaught) had much more potential and that went nowhere.

[Bishop49]

I cant wait too see a car going 100 mph transform and start blasting s***

[Advanced Dark]

What is the plot snynopis of this film???

[Lunar_Wolf]

Dueling alien races, the Autobots and the Decepticons, bring their battle to Earth, leaving the future of humankind hanging in the balance.

[DOG LIPS]

Plot synopsis: A nerdy boy tries to win the hottest girl in school by getting a badass car. Meanwhile, some soldiers walk around half naked for the ladies. With a special cameo by some robots.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Plot synopsis: A nerdy boy tries to win the hottest girl in school by getting a badass car. Meanwhile, some soldiers walk around half naked for the ladies. With a special cameo by some robots.

**** I knew I left the best part out

[nosebleed.]

Plot synopsis: A nerdy boy tries to win the hottest girl in school by getting a badass car. Meanwhile, some soldiers walk around half naked for the ladies. With a special cameo by some robots.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/robots.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

Dueling alien races, the Autobots and the Decepticons, bring their battle to Earth, leaving the future of humankind hanging in the balance.

So the Robots are an alien race(s)??? Who named them autobots and decepticons? Themselves? And are these the ones that just happen to look like Earthly machines or are those the machines we use to battle them. Also why go to Earth? Why not battle on a planet where nothing could fight to stop you???

[CFlash]

Didn't he just breathe normal fire like once for no reason? It was like a fire-breath cameo. :csad:

No. He screamed at a car which in turn blew up.

[nosebleed.]

No. He screamed at a car which in turn blew up.

My wife has that same effect on me.

[Lunar_Wolf]

So the Robots are an alien race(s)??? Who named them autobots and decepticons? Themselves? And are these the ones that just happen to look like Earthly machines or are those the machines we use to battle them. Also why go to Earth? Why not battle on a planet where nothing could fight to stop you???

Yes the robots are an alien race from Cybertron. The robots were made by an alien race. Cybertron is a small planet once used by the Quintessons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintessons) as a factory to create assembly lines of soldiers and workers. Following a rebellion, the workers became the Autobots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobots) and the soldiers became the Decepticons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticons). During Optimus Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime) and Megatron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatron)'s four million year absence, Shockwave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockwave_%28Transformers%29) keeps the planet in stalemate until Megatron awakes in 1984, and he conquers the planet until 2005.

When the autobots were weaker fighting the deceptions so they disguised themselves for stealth on cybertron. When on Earth they scanned machines to take form as a disguise. The Deceptions on cybertron also learnt how to disguise themselves too. They didn't decide to land on earth, they crashed there millions of years ago and layed dormant.

[nosebleed.]

edit: Lunar Wolf's explanation is soo much better than mine.

Also why go to Earth? Why not battle on a planet where nothing could fight to stop you???

What fun would that be?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Secret Wars was fun...and that wasn't on Earth. ;)

[CFlash]

^ Poseidon had huge potential that was a total f-up. Stealth was just stupid. The whole premise was idiotic and had almost no appeal. It was mildly entertaining at times. Stealth is kind of an example of what I'd be concerned about if I was a producer. It's the story of fighter plane that becomes self aware. Hello? Not much flexibility in that script as far as what you can do. I thought the film Vin Diesel was gonna do (Dreadnaught) had much more potential and that went nowhere.

Lots of screenplays have soooo much potential but are consistently ruined by horrible directors and hack producers that insist on "certain things" (like big spiders--- (Kevin Smith fans will get the joke)). You can take a ludicruously simple story like "A History of Violance" and serve it up as a cinema gem in the right hands (which Croneberg did IMO).

I mean, can you imagine A History of Violence in the hands of Michael Bay? Dear lord!!! It would make me vomit. You mention Stealth: Well, heck, even a simple "fighter plane" story can be made watchable and interesting with atmosphere and good filmmaking... look up Clint Eastwood's FireFox.

[nosebleed.]

^ Secret Wars was fun...and that wasn't on Earth. ;)

Betcha Raimi doesn't think so.

[nosebleed.]

look up Clint Eastwood's FireFox.

:up:

[Advanced Dark]

Lots of screenplays have soooo much potential but are consistently ruined by horrible directors and hack producers that insist on "certain things" (like big spiders--- (Kevin Smith fans will get the joke)). You can take a ludicruously simple story like "A History of Violance" and serve it up as a cinema gem in the right hands (which Croneberg did IMO).

I mean, can you imagine A History of Violence in the hands of Michael Bay? Dear lord!!! It would make me vomit. You mention Stealth: Well, heck, even a simple "fighter plane" story can be made watchable and interesting with atmosphere and good filmmaking... look up Clint Eastwood's FireFox.

It doesn't take 100 million dollars to make History of Violence does it? Films like Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Fantastic Four take loads of money to produce and advertise. These are not supposed to cater to the artsy crowd looking for the next academy award nominees. These films are for fun, to entertain the young males primarily and anyone else who's looking for a fun ride. Again...some of you are taking these characters like The Hulk too damn seriously. Nitpicking at the most ridiculous details and not just sitting down and enjoy the fact that someone's putting your favorite characters on the big screen. Nobody's making this film for a small group of people to enjoy. This is for the masses period. It can't be overly complicated, too dark, or too cheesey...or it'll NOT make money. The characters are very colorful and when people here a Hulk movies coming out they did NOT expect Ang Lee's vision. I enjoyed it but that's not for everyone. It turned alot of people off. So all the complaining and *****ing isn't gonna change a thing. Studios are going to hire screenwriters who write stories that fill seats and make money. Period. You can either enjoy them or and accept it or get all grumpy over them. Not talking to you but to everyone in general. Enjoy these films for what they are. Summer popcorn munching fun. Period. Sometimes we'll get films that also pleaes die hard fans as well...that's a bonus.

[Lunar_Wolf]

It doesn't take 100 million dollars to make History of Violence does it? Films like Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Fantastic Four take loads of money to produce and advertise. These are not supposed to cater to the artsy crowd looking for the next academy award nominees. These films are for fun, to entertain the young males primarily and anyone else who's looking for a fun ride. Again...some of you are taking these characters like The Hulk too damn seriously. Nitpicking at the most ridiculous details and not just sitting down and enjoy the fact that someone's putting your favorite characters on the big screen. Nobody's making this film for a small group of people to enjoy. This is for the masses period. It can't be overly complicated, too dark, or too cheesey...or it'll NOT make money. The characters are very colorful and when people here a Hulk movies coming out they did NOT expect Ang Lee's vision. I enjoyed it but that's not for everyone. It turned alot of people off. So all the complaining and *****ing isn't gonna change a thing. Studios are going to hire screenwriters who write stories that fill seats and make money. Period. You can either enjoy them or and accept it or get all grumpy over them. Not talking to you but to everyone in general. Enjoy these films for what they are. Summer popcorn munching fun. Period. Sometimes we'll get films that also pleaes die hard fans as well...that's a bonus.

The only Superhero films I was diapointed by was Hulk, Electra and Catwoman. I respect what Ang Lee was trying to do but he pulled to far away from the orginal source.

[CFlash]

It doesn't take 100 million dollars to make History of Violence does it? Films like Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Fantastic Four take loads of money to produce and advertise. These are not supposed to cater to the artsy crowd looking for the next academy award nominees. These films are for fun, to entertain the young males primarily and anyone else who's looking for a fun ride. Again...some of you are taking these characters like The Hulk too damn seriously. Nitpicking at the most ridiculous details and not just sitting down and enjoy the fact that someone's putting your favorite characters on the big screen. Nobody's making this film for a small group of people to enjoy. This is for the masses period. It can't be overly complicated, too dark, or too cheesey...or it'll NOT make money. The characters are very colorful and when people here a Hulk movies coming out they did NOT expect Ang Lee's vision. I enjoyed it but that's not for everyone. It turned alot of people off. So all the complaining and *****ing isn't gonna change a thing. Studios are going to hire screenwriters who write stories that fill seats and make money. Period. You can either enjoy them or and accept it or get all grumpy over them. Not talking to you but to everyone in general. Enjoy these films for what they are. Summer popcorn munching fun. Period. Sometimes we'll get films that also pleaes die hard fans as well...that's a bonus.

Man, do you even think there's a ever been a BAD movie. Sheesh. You talk like they could plug you into a projector for the rest of your life and you'd be content being spoon fed images.

P.S. I don't think Cronenberg thought for one second he'd get the attention he did after he did A History of Violence. So there goes that "oscar/artsy" debate. He's just good... and people finally started to realize it.

[CFlash]

The only Superhero films I was diapointed by was Hulk, Electra and Catwoman. I respect what Ang Lee was trying to do but he pulled to far away from the orginal source.

I agree there. My opinion is that he should have gone a more "down to earth" route like the old (great... no, awesome!) Bill Bixby series. But I wouldn't even put the Hulk in the same league as Catwoman.

As for everything else that dude said. Whatever. :whatever: I'm all for popcorn fun. I think the Pirates of the Caribbean movies are some of the best movies ever made (up there with the Indy movies). Just because something is popcorn fun doesn't mean it has to be dumb.

Apparently some people like Dumb.

[Spark]

Yes the robots are an alien race from Cybertron. The robots were made by an alien race. Cybertron is a small planet once used by the Quintessons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintessons) as a factory to create assembly lines of soldiers and workers. Following a rebellion, the workers became the Autobots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobots) and the soldiers became the Decepticons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticons). During Optimus Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime) and Megatron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatron)'s four million year absence, Shockwave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockwave_%28Transformers%29) keeps the planet in stalemate until Megatron awakes in 1984, and he conquers the planet until 2005.

When the autobots were weaker fighting the deceptions so they disguised themselves for stealth on cybertron. When on Earth they scanned machines to take form as a disguise. The Deceptions on cybertron also learnt how to disguise themselves too. They didn't decide to land on earth, they crashed there millions of years ago and layed dormant.
Then there's the comic origins which I'm not really a fan of. Weird creatures forming planetoids (Primus/Unicron) after returning from the astral plane?
http://www.geocities.com/area51/station/6563/primus.html#comicUK

Go Quints!!!

[3 Dev Adam]

So the Robots are an alien race(s)???

> Of course.


Who named them autobots and decepticons?

> The guys who wrote the comic books from Marvel, I think. Or maybe not.

And are these the ones that just happen to look like Earthly machines or are those the machines we use to battle them.

> "Robots IN DISGUISE".

Also why go to Earth? Why not battle on a planet where nothing could fight to stop you???

> Because they're searching for a powerful artifact that happens to be on Earth.

[Advanced Dark]

Those names are hilarious. Cybertron. LOL

[nosebleed.]

Those names are hilarious. Cybertron. LOL

No more hilarious than Otto Octavius, Mysterio, Electro and countless other Spider-man villains.

[zer00]

AD must be trying to troll in here

[nosebleed.]

According to him he's posting "legitimate points".

[Advanced Dark]

No more hilarious than Otto Octavius, Mysterio, Electro and countless other Spider-man villains.

I don't disagree. Wasn't that the name of a world though.

[CFlash]

Then there's the comic origins which I'm not really a fan of. Weird creatures forming planetoids (Primus/Unicron) after returning from the astral plane?
http://www.geocities.com/area51/station/6563/primus.html#comicUK

Go Quints!!!

All I really ever cared about was the advanced race (flying, mass changing Decepticons) suppressing the inferior slave race (largely earth bound, menial labor Autobots). On Earth searching for natural resources to feed their planet, themselves, and their war. It was pure brilliant sci-fi... and a commentary on the human condition (as all good sci-fi is). For me, the "energy" aspect was at the core of Transformers.

Guardians were cool (Omega Supreme). And I also thought the Quintessons were cool too (though that story could have been handled better). Once it started getting "mythical" (Primus/Unicron bla bla bla) I totally stopped caring. I understand those stories were well-written tho(probably better than the Furman/Budiansky ones).... they just weren't my cup of tea.

[CFlash]

I don't disagree. Wasn't that the name of a world though.

Cybertron is what the name of their home world translates to. It's their home planet.

Like the Cylons in the original Battlestar Galactica you don't know who created them, if they evolved naturally, nor do you really care. It doesn't matter. That mystery was part of the appeal. Nobody knows who created humans either... if we came together naturally in the waters of primordial Earth, fell from the sky in a comet as amino acid chains, or were plopped here by some almighty being.

[Advanced Dark]

The comet theory is probably accurate.

[Bishop49]

Ok any new pictures? Word

[CFlash]

The comet theory is probably accurate.

Actually, the lapping pools of primordial ooze is the more favored theory I think.

[Advanced Dark]

We should have a comet vs primoridial ooze thread LOL. However more favored or not the comet theory makes more sense how life get's around. Maybe the comet itself came from a destroyed planet that had water on it's surface. With the planet gone whatever water remained would freeze and if anything was alive in there it might possibly survive...like bacteria. It then roams around the stars till it crashes somewhere that's inhabitable and life goes on. But then where did the life on that planet start from. Arghhhhhhhh!

[3 Dev Adam]

Cybertron IS a funny name... at least now. In the 80's, we didn't even had Internet.

[xwolverine2]

i dont care about the name cybertron....... its fine.

its just a damn movie based on an old cartoon for god sakes..

it would sound better in a Tron movie though....lol

[C. Lee]

Advanced Dark....if you can't relate to this movie or it's idea....then there isn't really a good reason for you to come in here ......

[Advanced Dark]

Hey CLee,

I'm interested to see if the film does well. I can't relate to enjoying the toys cause I never played with them as a kid. I am highly interested in seeing if the film will do well cause I don't think it will based on my own feelings but I've said if the trailer is good I'll be inline like everyone else.

If you look CLee I've asked questions here because I don't know much about it. I asked who the characters are, what the plot synopsis is, etc...I don't pretend to know everything about every franchise but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning more about it. Are these forums just for people who can relate to it or can people new to a story, film, or character also come here to learn about it? I'm not trolling though I'm sure a few on my ignore list might suggest this.

[terry78]

The first transformers named it Cybertron, same as the first humans calling this Earth.

[Danger Mouse]

You never played with Transformers as a kid? :(

Growing up in the 80s was the best!

[Advanced Dark]

No never into action figures too much though liked Star Wars toys. All my friends had trasnformers stuff though. I was more into doing things outdoors instead of staying inside though my Atari 800 computer rocked. I loved Infocom games.

[nosebleed.]

edit...I got a headache

[C. Lee]

Hey CLee,

I'm interested to see if the film does well. I can't relate to enjoying the toys cause I never played with them as a kid. I am highly interested in seeing if the film will do well cause I don't think it will based on my own feelings but I've said if the trailer is good I'll be inline like everyone else.

If you look CLee I've asked questions here because I don't know much about it. I asked who the characters are, what the plot synopsis is, etc...I don't pretend to know everything about every franchise but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning more about it. Are these forums just for people who can relate to it or can people new to a story, film, or character also come here to learn about it? I'm not trolling though I'm sure a few on my ignore list might suggest this.
I don't feel like arguing....I said I don't want you trolling in here....so make sure your posts are not trolling.....have a wonderful day.

[Batx69]

Advanced Dark, how do you say you cant realate to a show/comic/movie about robots when indications point to the fact you ARE a robot? ;)

[Advanced Dark]

I am fluent in more than 6 million forms of communication.

[skorponok]

Growing up in the 80s was the best!


You're DAMN right

[CFlash]

No never into action figures too much though liked Star Wars toys. All my friends had trasnformers stuff though. I was more into doing things outdoors instead of staying inside though my Atari 800 computer rocked. I loved Infocom games.

Hmmm. Just like Michael Bay... who was more like the kid that beat other kids up for playing with robots than the guy that actually collected them.

[CFlash]

Hey CLee,

I'm interested to see if the film does well. I can't relate to enjoying the toys cause I never played with them as a kid. I am highly interested in seeing if the film will do well cause I don't think it will based on my own feelings but I've said if the trailer is good I'll be inline like everyone else.

If you look CLee I've asked questions here because I don't know much about it. I asked who the characters are, what the plot synopsis is, etc...I don't pretend to know everything about every franchise but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning more about it. Are these forums just for people who can relate to it or can people new to a story, film, or character also come here to learn about it? I'm not trolling though I'm sure a few on my ignore list might suggest this.

I'm not saying this to be argumentative but:
Maybe a trip to Wikipedia would serve you better than risk sounding disparaging or rude in a forum like this... don't you think?

Also if you're interested in the movie and only the movie (forget all the stuff the movie purports to be based on) I'd suggest www.shootfortheedit.com. It's Michael Bay's forum... and they tend to not ban people like you. Some of us others... aren't so welcomed.

[Avangarde]

Honestly though there is a lot to take in when it comes to TF lore, I wouldn't expect anyone but the fans to understand it, however this doesn't mean non-fans cant accept it. Sometimes a little respect is due, I mean a number of us grew up with this religiously. Just don't shut your mind off to the possibilities.

[nosebleed.]

and they tend to not ban people like you. Some of us others... aren't so welcomed.

Yeah...Transformer fan bashing is pretty welcome there. You'd blend right in...just mention "Transformer dolls".

[CFlash]

Yeah...Transformer fan bashing is pretty welcome there. You'd blend right in...just mention "Transformer dolls".

It's not only welcomed there... it's usually instigated by the mod himself.

[nosebleed.]

It's not only welcomed there... it's usually instigated by the mod himself.

Pretty much. Nelson is Bay's left testicle so its only natural that he's defensive towards anybody who has anything constructive to say about Bay's movie.

[Dr Lee]

Could someone please put up some screen caps of the trailer. I just attempted to do so but i'm crap at it

[Hades]

I could, but I'm too lazy :/

You know that little kid by the pool? I hope she gets squished. That would Rawk.

[nosebleed.]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/bbee_03.jpg

[nosebleed.]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/trailerimage2.jpg

[Dr Lee]

Those are cool Nosebleed.

Are you taking them from the trailer while you watch it online or have you been able to download the trailer?

[nosebleed.]

I'm stealing them from donmurphy's board. I'm too lazy to take my own shots plus the fact all I have is a crappy .mov version.

[Dr Lee]

could you put a link up to the thread?

[kaisersoze]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/trailerimage2.jpg

At first glance, that robot looks like Shockwave with the single red eye.

Awesome trailer. Definately like the Optimus Prime transformation shot.

The trailer establishes a very good "sense of dread" with the Decepticons. I can really see the fans/crowd going crazy when the Autobots show up to fight them.

CGI looked very solid. Nothing in the trailer looked like obvious CGI and they still have 7 months to work on the effects.

Kinda bummed we didn't get to see any of their laser weapons firing.

I wonder if the shot with the jets features Starscream?

I give the trailer 9/10.

Would have been perfect if they had let Cullen/Optimus talk. :woot:

[polm]

OMgOMgOMg the trailer is so coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool:ninja:

[TheOneTheONLY]

here is the trailer

http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/transformers/

[nosebleed.]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Prado_Family/Prado_Kwe/Misc/Scorponok.gif

My fav part of the trailer.

[mMark]

that's megatron, isn't it?

[Avangarde]

lol NO its Scorponok

[Mister Sinister]

Scorponok

[nosebleed.]

that's megatron, isn't it?

NO SILLY...its Tyrese!

[Nathan]

Not too shabby.

[tkenji69]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/trailerimage2.jpg


Decepticon or Autobot???? I cant really see car parts on this one... maybe preearth.

[Avangarde]

Decepticon or Autobot???? I cant really see car parts on this one... maybe preearth.


Its Ironhide when he first comes to Earth in his Cybertron form, the script says he crashes into a pool.

[tkenji69]

Its Ironhide when he first comes to Earth in his Cybertron form, the script says he crashes into a pool.



Sweeeet. i must of grazed over that part.

[DOG LIPS]

If that is him, he looks kind of evil with the red eyes.

[Avangarde]

If that is him, he looks kind of evil with the red eyes.

Looks like Shockwave

[DOG LIPS]

Dammit! I demand Megan Fox screen shots! I think there's an ass-shot when Prime pulls up in front of them. :heart:

[ragdus]

Damn that was a pretty good trailer. I like the foreboding sense it has.

[blind_fury]

anybody have a GIF of Optimus transforming?

[Orion Pax]

That was sweet! I love that they only hinted at the transformations and formers without giving too much away. Scorponok coming out of the sand was awesome. Looking foward to seeing more.

[Overman27pj]

Will some one with mad skills grab some screen shots from this? I have none, but I do have some requests...

1) A shot of bonecrusher taking out that bus...

2) A show of whatever is flying thru that glass building...

3) That full robot shot that they just show for a milisecond...

4) The shot of prime transforming!!!

Thanks!!!!

[dark_b]

i think you all should wait with the screencaps. i mean dont spend the time with this version. in 4 hours we will get teh HD trailer and than we can post HD screencaps.

[xwolverine2]

i think you all should wait with the screencaps. i mean dont spend the time with this version. in 4 hours we will get teh HD trailer and than we can post HD screencaps.
ahem* 3 hrs!:woot:

and i have not yet seen it!

[Overman27pj]

i think you all should wait with the screencaps. i mean dont spend the time with this version. in 4 hours we will get teh HD trailer and than we can post HD screencaps.

Good call.

[Spark]

Cybertron IS a funny name... at least now. In the 80's, we didn't even had Internet.
Yes, they should've called it something sensible like 'Uranus'.

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/data/1431/medium/transformers-movie-trailer-019.jpg

Who's this

[DOG LIPS]

Looks like Blackout.

[Dr Lee]

A red X is all i see DL

[AssMan]

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/A-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/B-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/C-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/D-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/E-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/F-0000000.jpg

[AssMan]

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/G-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/H-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/I-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/J-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/K-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/L-0000000.jpg

[AssMan]

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/M-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/N-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/O-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/P-0000000.jpg

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/11/12/371902/Q-0000000.jpg

[Overman27pj]

Freakin Sweet!!!

Thanks!!!

[cosmicherosa]

:wow::oldrazz::hyper:

This trailer was "tits", as the children say these days.

[Antrax255]

hmmm given that it is a tease I'll give it a 8/10

[Arcturus]

I thought the trailer was excellent.

[3 Dev Adam]

That little girl will have nightmares for the rest of her life. Or become EMO.

[AyeCapn]

That little girl will have nightmares for the rest of her life. Or become EMO.I wish my grass was emo. Then it would cut itself

:o

[Super78]

I liked the Prime shot.

But the rest of it, was, ....not that great.

Too bad we didn't hear Prime say anything (or its possible Cullen hasn't lent his voice to Prime yet, since that's done in post-production).

[GDM]

Man this movie looks damn cool. I can't wait to see it. I hope we'll be able to download the HD trailer. I want it.

[3 Dev Adam]

Ah, someone will be able to dl the HD even if it's undownloadable.

[Advanced Dark]

That felt more like random clips of footage than a trailer. The jury is still out on this one for me. Some of the clips looked cool, it's obviously a big production but will this be just another Godzilla or turn out to be the next ID4 at the box office. The trailer seemed hollow and it could have been much better with some better editing and some killer music to pump you up for the film. Remember how bad ass The Island trailer was with that music blasting during the action sequences and it actually flowed right.

[3 Dev Adam]

A trailer IS made of random clips of footage. Geez.

[DorkyFresh]

considering this is a TEASER trailer....




..OMFG!!! it did it's job very well!

[Advanced Dark]

^ No it's not supposed to feel like just "random" clips. A trailer is supposed to give you a brief synopsis of the story and the footage is supposed to be put together in a way that flows from start to finish. Do you honeslty think they randomly spun a wheel to throw footage together. That's how it felt though. Most trailers kind of fill you in a bit more and the scenes are in an order that fit together. This had some cool parts but it was mishmashed. Anyways my point was it didn't show me enough yet and it didn't get me primed to watch it. It still has my interest but that didn't do it yet.

[Substance D]

nah, it's just another teaser. the final trailer will come later. this was just to show off the cool SFX and get people excited. calm down advanced dark.

[AyeCapn]

^ No it's not supposed to feel like just "random" clips. A trailer is supposed to give you a brief synopsis of the story and the footage is supposed to be put together in a way that flows from start to finish. If we had a trailer like that we wouldn't need to go see the movie, you dummy :mad:

[skorponok]

Damn that was a pretty good trailer. I like the foreboding sense it has.

MEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Advanced Dark]

^ Oh now the name calling begins. So a brief synopsis that flows from start to finish that lasts about 90 seconds would replace the entire 2 hour film. Who's the dummy? This teaser just didn't get me excited about the film but I am still interested in the next full trailer to see if it is something I'll go and see. If this is just a short teaser it's easy to forgive so I can wait but you're dead wrong...all good trailers summarize the film and hopefully don't spoil too much and should get you excited to see the film. ONe good example was Elektra. I thought that trailer was awesome. The footage flowed, the music was cool, and it gave a nice synopsis of the film. Unfortunately the only decent parts of that film were in the trailer. The trailer was great and the film sucked. I've also seen some lousy trailers where the film was awesome.

[xwolverine2]

^ Oh now the name calling begins. So a brief synopsis that flows from start to finish that lasts about 90 seconds would replace the entire 2 hour film. Who's the dummy? This teaser just didn't get me excited about the film but I am still interested in the next full trailer to see if it is something I'll go and see. If this is just a short teaser it's easy to forgive so I can wait but you're dead wrong...all good trailers summarize the film and hopefully don't spoil too much and should get you excited to see the film. ONe good example was Elektra. I thought that trailer was awesome. The footage flowed, the music was cool, and it gave a nice synopsis of the film. Unfortunately the only decent parts of that film were in the trailer. The trailer was great and the film sucked. I've also seen some lousy trailers where the film was awesome.
but we already know the story.......

id rather be surprised.....

i mean look at spidey3... they always ruin everything in the trailers

[Substance D]

^ Oh now the name calling begins. So a brief synopsis that flows from start to finish that lasts about 90 seconds would replace the entire 2 hour film. Who's the dummy? This teaser just didn't get me excited about the film but I am still interested in the next full trailer to see if it is something I'll go and see. If this is just a short teaser it's easy to forgive so I can wait but you're dead wrong...all good trailers summarize the film and hopefully don't spoil too much and should get you excited to see the film. ONe good example was Elektra. I thought that trailer was awesome. The footage flowed, the music was cool, and it gave a nice synopsis of the film. Unfortunately the only decent parts of that film were in the trailer. The trailer was great and the film sucked. I've also seen some lousy trailers where the film was awesome.

Yeah, all the movies you've mentioned ended up sucking. Go away. You didn't like the trailer, we get it. For most of us, it was enough to make us jizz our pants. You're in the minority.

[Substance D]

^ Oh now the name calling begins. So a brief synopsis that flows from start to finish that lasts about 90 seconds would replace the entire 2 hour film. Who's the dummy? This teaser just didn't get me excited about the film but I am still interested in the next full trailer to see if it is something I'll go and see. If this is just a short teaser it's easy to forgive so I can wait but you're dead wrong...all good trailers summarize the film and hopefully don't spoil too much and should get you excited to see the film. ONe good example was Elektra. I thought that trailer was awesome. The footage flowed, the music was cool, and it gave a nice synopsis of the film. Unfortunately the only decent parts of that film were in the trailer. The trailer was great and the film sucked. I've also seen some lousy trailers where the film was awesome.

Yeah, all the movies you've mentioned ended up sucking. Go away. You didn't like the trailer, we get it. For most of us, it was enough to make us jizz our pants. You're in the minority.

[Substance D]

^ Oh now the name calling begins. So a brief synopsis that flows from start to finish that lasts about 90 seconds would replace the entire 2 hour film. Who's the dummy? This teaser just didn't get me excited about the film but I am still interested in the next full trailer to see if it is something I'll go and see. If this is just a short teaser it's easy to forgive so I can wait but you're dead wrong...all good trailers summarize the film and hopefully don't spoil too much and should get you excited to see the film. ONe good example was Elektra. I thought that trailer was awesome. The footage flowed, the music was cool, and it gave a nice synopsis of the film. Unfortunately the only decent parts of that film were in the trailer. The trailer was great and the film sucked. I've also seen some lousy trailers where the film was awesome.

Yeah, all the movies you've mentioned ended up sucking. Go away. You didn't like the trailer, we get it. For most of us, it was enough to make us jizz our pants. You're in the minority.

[y2jversion1]

Point taken x3... someone's a lil clicker-happy..

Teaser looked good SFX-wise and that's it. Still worried about overuse of human perspective instead of TF perspective and the overall storyline in general.

[Advanced Dark]

but we already know the story.......

id rather be surprised.....

i mean look at spidey3... they always ruin everything in the trailers

You know the story as do most of the people who are on SHH who frequent this forum have the script...but I'm just learning about it and honestly the rest of the world probably doesn't know the story. I've never said anything to suggest this movie was gonna be bad so some of you need to relax. The worst I've said is that this is a risky production that I did NOT see how it would make it's money back. I've asked alot of questions to learn some things about the whole premise, and I went to that script thread to check it out. The teaser showed that this is a huge production but it didn't get me excited. I understand how many of you are cause you're seeing these things on the big screen. But as an outsider it didn't grab me. Not yet. I said I'll give it a chance and I'm open to watching it if the project gets me excited as time goes on. There's no need for some of you (not you X) for getting hostile or calling names. In fact you can check to see how I voted in the poll too. I'm not trashing this film...just not pulled in by it yet. The trailer/teaser though was edited poorly IMO but that being said...the footage looked very promising.

[DorkyFresh]

^ No it's not supposed to feel like just "random" clips. A trailer is supposed to give you a brief synopsis of the story and the footage is supposed to be put together in a way that flows from start to finish. Do you honeslty think they randomly spun a wheel to throw footage together. That's how it felt though. Most trailers kind of fill you in a bit more and the scenes are in an order that fit together. This had some cool parts but it was mishmashed. Anyways my point was it didn't show me enough yet and it didn't get me primed to watch it. It still has my interest but that didn't do it yet.
that's why they call it a TEASER trailer and not a THEATRICAL trailer. teaser trailers are only supposed to entice you, not fully seduce you...


...besides i'm tired of trailers that show everything (including how the bad guys are defeated) ala Spider-Man 3.

[Advanced Dark]

My favorite teaser was the one for T2. Where it just showed the terminator being assembled and at the end Arnold is standing there. I loved that one. It didn't even need footage to get you excited...though that was a sequel.

[xwolverine2]

You know the story as do most of the people who are on SHH who frequent this forum have the script...but I'm just learning about it and honestly the rest of the world probably doesn't know the story. I've never said anything to suggest this movie was gonna be bad so some of you need to relax. The worst I've said is that this is a risky production that I did NOT see how it would make it's money back. I've asked alot of questions to learn some things about the whole premise, and I went to that script thread to check it out. The teaser showed that this is a huge production but it didn't get me excited. I understand how many of you are cause you're seeing these things on the big screen. But as an outsider it didn't grab me. Not yet. I said I'll give it a chance and I'm open to watching it if the project gets me excited as time goes on. There's no need for some of you (not you X) for getting hostile or calling names. In fact you can check to see how I voted in the poll too. I'm not trashing this film...just not pulled in by it yet. The trailer/teaser though was edited poorly IMO but that being said...the footage looked very promising.
well... im waiting to see the trailer in hd for the first time.
so i cant really comment.

[Advanced Dark]

Moriarity kind of summed it up good on AICN. Not enough for someone not familiar with the series to get hot and heavy about but when the full trailer comes out...that could change fast.

[3 Dev Adam]

This one is a trailer, it walks like a trailer, it quacks like a trailer, and they're even called it a trailer, so it IS a trailer, even if we're calling it a teaser. So, it's a trailer that teases.

More trailers will come.

[cosmicherosa]

Hmm. The top of this thread says "All Pictures Thread".

Yet no pictures and mindless *****ing. There is a thread for the Trailer discussion. I didn't come here to see baby tears.

http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/1b/4f/Johnson_s_No_More_Tears_Baby_Shampoo-resized200.gif
Try some! 'No More Tears'.

I want to see pics from the trailer.

[Psionic Force]

Awesome trailer! so hyped about it so much more now ... :D

[Dr Lee]

Comic wait until after the HD version is released. It's almost certain that this place will drown in pictures then.

[AyeCapn]

Hmm. The top of this thread says "All Pictures Thread".

Yet no pictures and mindless *****ing. There is a thread for the Trailer discussion. I didn't come here to see baby tears.

http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/1b/4f/Johnson_s_No_More_Tears_Baby_Shampoo-resized200.gif
Try some! 'No More Tears'.

I want to see pics from the trailer.The best part about the trailer was how it teased.

[blksuperman2]

here is the trailer

http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/transformers/

That's awesome.:wow: :wow: :wow:

[3 Dev Adam]

Comic wait until after the HD version is released. It's almost certain that this place will drown in pictures then.

It's up. Just wait some seconds.

[Lunar_Wolf]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wow: I LOVE THE TEASER!!! Way way darker then I expected!

[Advanced Dark]

The one part that I thought was real cool was when that yellow looking robot suddenly turned it's head towards the screen. That'd be a cool avatar. :)

[Dr Lee]

I liked that Bumble Bee shot as well. It's a pity that we didn't get a head on shot of prime as i'd love that as my avatar elsewhere

[millennium movies]

Why does OP look purple in the transforming scene where the camera is above his head?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Who is the bot that came out of the pool?

[3 Dev Adam]

Sky reflection.

[Orion Pax]

Will some one with mad skills grab some screen shots from this? I have none, but I do have some requests...

1) A shot of bonecrusher taking out that bus...

2) A show of whatever is flying thru that glass building...

3) That full robot shot that they just show for a milisecond...

4) The shot of prime transforming!!!

Thanks!!!!

That's Optimus Prime being thrown into the glass building.

Edit: To be more specific I think it's his foot.

[Dr Lee]

IronHide

[Soapy]

I absolutely loved this teaser. Did it sort of remind anyone else of the Atack of the Clones teaser?

[3 Dev Adam]

Did it sort of remind anyone else of the Atack of the Clones teaser?

No.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I absolutely loved this teaser. Did it sort of remind anyone else of the Atack of the Clones teaser?

I got a Terminator 2 feeling...

[dark_b]

I got a Terminator 2 feeling...thats because there is teh same music than in terminator 2. or is it just the same sound.

[USMC]

I absolutely loved this teaser. Did it sort of remind anyone else of the Atack of the Clones teaser?


That movie sucked... :huh:

[CFlash]

I absolutely loved this teaser. Did it sort of remind anyone else of the Atack of the Clones teaser?

No, it reminded me of War of the Worlds.

[millennium movies]

I never knew a dark sky could make a shiny blue turn purple. It looks like its supposed to be due to the other cars headlights but at that hight it doesnt make sense. Not to mention the color difference doesnt either. I think its a color error on behalf of the CGI crew.

[3 Dev Adam]

I never knew a dark sky could make a shiny blue turn purple.

It can. Trust me. I work with Tesla coils.

[Mister Sinister]

Now we've a new teaser, how long until a full site?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Whos the bot raming through the bus?

[Nathan]

Bonescrusher I assume.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9345/tf01de9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1126/tf02kn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mister Sinister]

I thought that was Brawl due to the spikes, but Bonecrusher makes more sense

[Advanced Dark]

No gifs or avatars???

[millennium movies]

3 Dev, whats "Tesla coils"?

[millennium movies]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/transformers_mainbgnew.jpg

This is really purple and the red looks pink too. Looks almost desaturated from the rest of the shot.

[Nathan]

No gifs or avatars???

Damn Ulead is unable to read the file. :cmad:

[CFlash]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/transformers_mainbgnew.jpg

This is really purple and the red looks pink too. Looks almost desaturated from the rest of the shot.

Royal Blue to be exact. :cwink:
Along with the pool scene this is my favorite part tho. I don't know why, because it's not particularly good. A better shot would have been from the ground up.

[Substance D]

Royal Blue to be exact. :cwink:
Along with the pool scene this is my favorite part tho. I don't know why, because it's not particularly good. A better shot would have been from the ground up.

I'm sure they'll have views from different angles in that scene. Showing his head popping out of his chest from the front would look goofy, especially in the scene where he's first introduced. A shot from the back is more mysterious, and builds up to the full reveal. Thank god you're not doing the cinematography on this.

[millennium movies]

A few frames before that it is blue to some extent until this frame it totally differs imo...

[zer00]

can we get some screencaps of ironhide coming out of the pool?

[Substance D]

can we get some screencaps of ironhide coming out of the pool?

why, did it turn you on?

[CFlash]

I'm sure they'll have views from different angles in that scene. Showing his head popping out of his chest from the front would look goofy, especially in the scene where he's first introduced. A shot from the back is more mysterious, and builds up to the full reveal. Thank god you're not doing the cinematography on this.

It's called shadow and lighting. You can show a "HUMAN perspective" view without giving away very much. Michael Bay is not known for his realistic or emotion inducing cinematography.

Still, it was a cool scene.

And, P.S. keep your idiotic personal "thank god you're bla bla" comments to yourself. You have no idea who you're talking to.

[3 Dev Adam]

3 Dev, whats "Tesla coils"?

THAT is a Tesla coil.

http://www.menzelphoto.com/images/gallery/big/environment/lightning/gal_env_lig_03.jpg

[3 Dev Adam]

why, did it turn you on?

He had a nice metal ass, It would turn ANYONE on!

[Substance D]

It's called shadow and lighting. You can show a "HUMAN perspective" view without giving away very much. Michael Bay is not known for his realistic or emotion inducing cinematography.

Still, it was a cool scene.

And, P.S. keep your idiotic personal "thank god you're bla bla" comments to yourself. You have no idea who you're talking to.

Um, it was a brief moment. Not the entire scene. It's called building up to the money shot, which will probably be something like you suggested. And neither are you.

P.S. A whiney fanboy?

[millennium movies]

Wow insane stuff 3 Dev...

[CFlash]

Um, it was a brief moment. Not the entire scene. It's called building up to the money shot, which will probably be something like you suggested. And neither are you.

P.S. A whiney fanboy?

Usually the money shot IS that overhead scene... it's an exclamation point.... where you see the situation from an alternative (not you/human) point of view).

Man have you ever looked up at a tall building? That's not a money shot. You usually can't even see THE TOP of the building. The money shot is the top down.

P.S. You, troll?
Substand D. for Don Murphy?

[Substance D]

Usually the money shot IS that overhead scene... it's an exclamation point.... where you see the situation from an alternative (not you/human) point of view).

Man have you ever looked up at a tall building? That's not a money shot. You usually can't even see THE TOP of the building. The money shot is the top down.

P.S. You, troll?
Substand D. for Don Murphy?

No, the money shot would be the full reveal. You catch glimpses, adding mystery and tension, then the camera pulls back and you see everything full on. A shot of Optimus from a low angle would make him look imposing and powerful. It's been used in comics and movies to emphasize heroism and strength since forever. I really hope you weren't implying that you're a filmmaker in your earlier post. It seems you really have a terrible eye when it comes to cinematography.

PS. C for... I can't say it or I'll get banned.

[CFlash]

No, the money shot would be the full reveal. You catch glimpses, adding mystery and tension, then the camera pulls back and you see everything full on. A shot of Optimus from a low angle would make him look imposing and powerful. It's been used in comics and movies to emphasize heroism and strength since forever. I really hope you weren't implying that you're a filmmaker in your earlier post. It seems you really have a terrible eye when it comes to cinematography.

PS. C for... I can't say it or I'll get banned.

If I were a cinematographer or director, your comment as a fan of a guy, Michael Bay, who is consistently derided as one of the worst filmmakers of ALL TIME, would be a compliment. Thank you.

[Substance D]

If I were a cinematographer or director, your comment as a fan of a guy, Michael Bay, who is consistently derided as one of the worst filmmakers of ALL TIME, would be a compliment. Thank you.

Hmm, too bad I never said I was a Micheal Bay fan. And if he's one of the worst filmmakers of all time, and he's directing multi-million dollar productions, what does that say about you? A person who hints at being knowledgeable on filmmaking, yet who hasn't directed any well-known films and shows no eye for setting up a scene at all?

Is it just me, or does CFlash get really dumb and trollish whenever big news comes out? I think he needs to go back to playing with his 80's figures and leave the movie alone.

[Overman27pj]

Official website updated...pretty cool looking siebertron

[Orion Pax]

Royal Blue to be exact. :cwink:
Along with the pool scene this is my favorite part tho. I don't know why, because it's not particularly good. A better shot would have been from the ground up.

CFlash, it almost sounds as if you don't want to like it. Granted, we haven't really been shown much in this trailer, so I'm not sure why the critique is being done on such small clips that really don't have much context. Is it because it's a Michael Bay film that you are critiquing the small clips so closely? Please don't take this as an attack. I am genuinely curious.

[CFlash]

Hmm, too bad I never said I was a Micheal Bay fan. And if he's one of the worst filmmakers of all time, and he's directing multi-million dollar productions, what does that say about you? A person who hints at being knowledgeable on filmmaking, yet who hasn't directed any well-known films and shows no eye for setting up a scene at all?

Is it just me, or does CFlash get really dumb and trollish whenever big news comes out? I think he needs to go back to playing with his 80's figures and leave the movie alone.

Are you kidding me? You started this idiotic exchange, not me.
Whatever. I won't fall into your idiotic baiting again.

[Spark]

Official website updated...pretty cool looking siebertron
Cybertron. :o

[Nathan]

I find it funny that all CFlash did was to voice his dislike about a certain angle and is now marked a troll. Fascinating how things like this can turn out.

[3 Dev Adam]

Here it goes...

[Substance D]

I find it funny that all CFlash did was to voice his dislike about a certain angle and is now marked a troll. Fascinating how things like this can turn out.

Um, CFlash has done nothing but complain since this board was created. He was like the Spanish Inquisition of these boards, labeling everyone who supported the movie as a troll. He was getting better, but it seems the new trailer has reignited the fire within him.

[CFlash]

CFlash, it almost sounds as if you don't want to like it. Granted, we haven't really been shown much in this trailer, so I'm not sure why the critique is being done on such small clips that really don't have much context. Is it because it's a Michael Bay film that you are critiquing the small clips so closely? Please don't take this as an attack. I am genuinely curious.

I liked the scene. It cemented my opinion that Optimus is the best part of this movie. But, no, the scene wasn't particularly good as far as scenes go (think better scenes in WOTW trailers). The movie looks cool because it is, after all, based big robots. But, if you strip out our excitement... all you got is a typical cheese fest IMO.

We're all just lowering our expectations I think. We're all gonna have to check our intellect at the door and just go in for a fun- ultimately forgettable- eye candy ride.

P.S. Trust me. I REALLY REALLY want to love this movie. But that trailer was dumb. Cool-looking... but dumb.

[3 Dev Adam]

Some more...

[Substance D]

I liked the scene. It cemented my opinion that Optimus is the best part of this movie. But, no, the scene wasn't particularly good as far as scenes go (think better scenes in WOTW trailers). The movie looks cool because it is, after all, based big robots. But, if you strip out our excitement... all you got is a typical cheese fest IMO.

We're all just lowering our expectations I think. We're all gonna have to check our intellect at the door and just go in for a fun- ultimately forgettable- eye candy ride.

P.S. Trust me. I REALLY REALLY want to love this movie. But that trailer was dumb. Cool-looking... but dumb.

:whatever: You were nitpicking a very brief part of the scene. Of course they're not going to show the money shot for the trailer. Shame on them for wanting to keep some things secret, so people have a reason to pay 8.50 opening day.

I can't beleive you're talking about how dumb this movie is going to be. Have you seen the original cartoon? It's dumb as hell. The movie can only be an improvement.

[Overman27pj]

Just wanted to get my post 100 in here...I wish the movie was out tommorow!!!!

[3 Dev Adam]

And some more...

[CFlash]

snip drivel

Go pick on the dozens of other folks griping about how bombastically cliched that trailor makes the movie look. I'm not the only one.

[Nathan]

Um, CFlash has done nothing but complain since this board was created. He was like the Spanish Inquisition of these boards, labeling everyone who supported the movie as a troll. He was getting better, but it seems the new trailer has reignited the fire within him.

Your sure seem to do a good job though at not stirring things up more than necessary. Commenting on his cinematographic skills and all.

[3 Dev Adam]

And the last ones...

[CFlash]

I can't beleive you're talking about how dumb this movie is going to be. Have you seen the original cartoon? It's dumb as hell. The movie can only be an improvement.

I'm the troll?

[3 Dev Adam]

STOP YER BICKERING DAMMIT!

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