Pictures Discussion Thread

[3 Dev Adam]

You guys should be happy, cause Frenzy was supposed to be SOUNDWAVE!!!!

[3 Dev Adam]

Scorponok is Blackout's ass.
Frenzy is Barricade's CD player.

Oh the humanity.

[Darkwulf]

here is a close up of Bonecrusher's feet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Keeba/bh1c97fe.jpg


:trans:

[blind_fury]

Hollywood respects Harry Potter and Hobbit fans more than us. :csad:

[xwolverine2]

soundbyte look creepy as hell...

[Nathan]

Like General Grievous's bastard child.

[Anti-Moderator]

Soundbyte LOOKS like Hell. :trans:

[ShadowBoxing]

He looks like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future...but in a bad way.

[Nathan]

The gayest robot I've ever seen....erm...I mean Frenzy.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg

The similarities are almost scary.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3883/grievoustoyey8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Avangarde]

Screw this movie to hell :cmad:

[blind_fury]

Grevious and the Cybernetic Ghost are both way cooler looking than Bay's Frenzy. It's possibly the most retarded design for a robot ever concieved.

[Nathan]

I'm almost glad that this thing will get his head knocked off by some kid. Or did the script change?

[Avangarde]

I'm almost glad that this thing will get his head knocked off by some kid. Or did the script change?

Here's hoping they rewrite the whole thing :(

[Alchemyst]

I cant imagine one scene were the TF's are jus talking, they are overly detailed with ****

[xwolverine2]

Screw this movie to hell :cmad:

:huh: :huh:

[Avangarde]

:huh: :huh:

Moment of madness :(


Bonecrusher reminds me of those evil dudes from The Dark Crystal

[blind_fury]

Moment of madness :(


More like a moment of clarity.

[Alchemyst]

do any of the decepticons speak english or do all of them speak their alien language. Sorry if its a dumb question

[Avangarde]

do any of the decepticons speak english or do all of them speak their alien language. Sorry if its a dumb question

Barricade and Megatron are the only ones that speak english according to the Febuary script.

[Alchemyst]

Barricade and Megatron are the only ones that speak english according to the Febuary script.

Oh ok, thanx for the info. I dont know what to think of this movie anymore

[Golgo-13]

The gayest robot I've ever seen....erm...I mean Frenzy.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg

...can words even describe the horror the fans must feel after seeing this...?:wow: :cmad:

[Nathan]

...can words even describe the horror the fans must feel after seeing this...?:wow: :cmad:

Somewhere, at this very moment, someone is sacrificing his newborn to put a stop to Bay.

[Golgo-13]

God, what has this man done to out beloved franchise, seriously?

It's getting to the point with me, where it's 'Enough is a ****ing nuff'.

..i'm speechless to say the least....

[Alchemyst]

Somewhere, at this very moment, someone is sacrificing his newborn to put a stop to Bay.

You spyin on me???

[Golgo-13]

Who's left now, Bonecrusher?

[Dr Lee]

In the midst of the roar of unapproval one small voice announces

'I'm still looking forward to this movie'

[JM0087]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2198

Bonecrusher looks better in the trailer than in the picture.

[ABVH]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9775/svibeztenka1zl9.jpg

[TheCardPlayer]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9775/svibeztenka1zl9.jpgDid you do this? If yes, then thanks alot. July is so far away. Can't freaking wait.

In the midst of the roar of unapproval one small voice announces

'I'm still looking forward to this movie'

There's alot of us, don't worry. But we rarely post thanks to all the doom and gloom. Don't you worry. There's alot of naysayers that continually post how Raimi killed Spider-Man but they are ignored like all the naysayers will be ignored once the movie is out and everybody is talking about it.

[ABVH]

Friend of mine started it long time ago when they first announce the transformers size...now we are just adding robots as they come along...
Quality of some isn't great - When hi quality scans appear well redo it!

[TheCardPlayer]

I hope Brawl's render is released soon, he's the only one that cannot be added yet. I love his figure, I'll definitely buy him.

[Dr Lee]

Who else is left now?

I can only think of Brawl

[ABVH]

I know this is because of the perspective of the picture but... (-:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9361/4418245c56118a6bceff1.jpg

[Dr Lee]

I can see what you mean but who's the guy?

[xwolverine2]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9775/svibeztenka1zl9.jpg

what about soundbyte?

[Compi716]

what about soundbyte?
He's in the Bumblebee picture.


These designs all seem very (if not overly) complicated. I'm VERY curious as to what these Transformers will look like when they actually transform.
Megatron is still the worst, though Frenzy isn't too far behind.
:trans:

[Theweepeople]

I'm curious. Did the transformer designers of this film realize that two decepticons have heads that look nothing like the Deception
symbol?(Skorpnok and Frenzy)

[Golgo-13]

Bonecrusher looks better in the trailer than in the picture.

Bonecrusher serious looks like a broken up truck that they simply just pried pieces of the vehcile apart and made it look like arms and legs.

Did the designers actually get paid for these concepts?:csad:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/4418245c56118a6bce.jpg

[Gold Samurai]

so each concept drawing had a nickname? Topkick for Ironhide and Guffalo for bonecrusher interesting

frenzy looks like hasbro kitbashed a general grevious 5 inch figure

[Lobster Charlie]

I know this is because of the perspective of the picture but... (-:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9361/4418245c56118a6bceff1.jpg

LOL!!!

Abe Vigoda!

[ABVH]

And we have a winner!!!

[Reptile]

What does he win?

[DOG LIPS]

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=7110&dispsize=800&start=0

Ironhide in package pics.

[ABVH]

What does he win?

:trans: victory :trans:

[xwolverine2]

I know this is because of the perspective of the picture but... (-:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9361/4418245c56118a6bceff1.jpg

wth?!:huh:

[TheCardPlayer]

Okay. Ironhide is a must buy too. Kickass!

[DOG LIPS]

Prime - Owl
Ironhide - Bull
Bumblebee - Bee
Jazz - Rabbit or fox
Ratchet - Boar or walrus
StarScream - Chicken
Scorp - Scorpion
Blackout - Fly
Brawl - Turtle
Bonecrusher - Bulldog with squid arms
Bay - Horse's ass

[Nathan]

Frenzy - Scrawny Grievous

[DOG LIPS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DOGLIPS/starchicken.jpg

Aaaaawwwwww yeeeaaaaahhhh.

[Nathan]

Am I seeing things, or does he almost look decent?

[TheCardPlayer]

Meh. He looks the best there but I still don't really like his design. But if they make him look like that in the movie, I will tolerate him. Especially if his voice sounds similar. He looks too big for Starscream and he legs are horrible. Him and Bonecrusher are my only dissapointments so far.

[ZER0C00L]

i wonder if this movie will fail like GODZILLA.

[OptimusPrimeRib]

Am I seeing things, or does he almost look decent?

It's just that after seeing those brutal pictures of frenzy/soundwave/soundbyte, Starscream now seems not so bad.

[Orko Is King]

Hollywood respects Harry Potter and Hobbit fans more than us. :csad:

Because they're "literature" and these're "just toys".:oldrazz:

[Eternalzero]

Bumblebee doesn't even have a voice...he speaks through his radio by utilizing songs to express his opinion and or emotions.


AHAHAHAHAH!!! He has arm cannons, battle mode, but hasn't evolved a voice box yet?

Is he going to be blasting death metal when he is fighting or pissed off?

sigh... that's going to be funny.

[CFlash]

AHAHAHAHAH!!! He has arm cannons, battle mode, but hasn't evolved a voice box yet?

Is he going to be blasting death metal when he is fighting or pissed off?

sigh... that's going to be funny.

Not only that but, he can morph into a totally different car complete with new engine at will. But, he can't morph a voice box?

[Headless Knight]

Frenzy looks like something from Metalzoic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalzoic). It's weird and a bit ridiculous, but actually suits the character and has the potential for creepiness/hilariousness. I don't mind it. I also think there's nothing wrong with Bonecrusher, he actually looks menacing enough in my opinion.

Ratchet's face still looks like ass, though.

[Orko Is King]

MUGSHOTS

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/DSC_0320.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/P1010020.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/P1010016.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/P1010009.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/mattnotis/P1010005.jpg

Am I missing any?

[xwolverine2]

awesomeness!!

except its hard to see jazz's face

[Jimmy, GL]

Am I seeing things, or does he almost look decent?

Someone straightened his legs when they took the pic. :oldrazz:

[Lunar_Wolf]

Starscream looks kinda diff! Does anyone have a pic of the toy starscream up close?

[Reptile]

Brawl Has Four Eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gold Samurai]

Brawl Has Four Eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


so does barricade. I think all decepticons are like that

[CFlash]

Jazz looks cool. Definately heavily G1 inspired! :up:

[Stringer]

Man what is up with the 4 eye stuff?

[Avangarde]

Prime - Owl
Ironhide - Bull
Bumblebee - Bee
Jazz - Rabbit or fox
Ratchet - Boar or walrus
StarScream - Chicken
Scorp - Scorpion
Blackout - Fly
Brawl - Turtle
Bonecrusher - Bulldog with squid arms
Bay - Horse's ass

I'm thinking Brawl could also be a Moose, those horns almost look like antlers.

[cryptic name]

man, i really, really hate all these faces. it's so depressing

[Tad Fatherton]

why is brawl listed as "decepticon brawl" when none of the other decepticons have decepticon before their name?

[3 Dev Adam]

So he won't be mistaken for Autobot Brawl.

[Avangarde]

why is brawl listed as "decepticon brawl" when none of the other decepticons have decepticon before their name?

Maybe he didn't look evil enough to be a decepticon :huh:

[muscaremy]

whos the first one

never mind ironhide kicks ass

[Thirteen Shadows]

Man what is up with the 4 eye stuff?

Yeah, that is a little odd.

I'd rather have the eyes look like this for the decepticons,

http://www.transformersthemovie.info/wallpapers/transformers-movie-wallpaper-original-1280.jpg

[Tad Fatherton]

yeah, that'd be cool for the decepticons... if that eye wasn't part of the autobots logo :whatever::whatever::whatever:

[polm]

its optimus eyes

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11109313&postcount=8920

[Reptile]

I'm thinking Brawl could also be a Moose, those horns almost look like antlers.
he looks more like a Gorilla to me

[ABVH]

I mean look at that faces???????!!!!!!!!
WTH were they thinking making all those Alien Robot Heads and have them not look like human face...

[zer00]

At least Jazz looks like he's wearing sunglasses again

[DOG LIPS]

http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery.php?id=1101&size=0&start=0


Huge Ratchet toy gallery if anyone gives a crap.

[cryptic name]

I mean look at that faces???????!!!!!!!!
WTH were they thinking making all those Alien Robot Heads and have them not look like human face...

you're right, those are exactly what real alien robots look like

[Headless Knight]

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/40/r_ratchet070.jpg

This looks like a pissed off colorblind clown.

[Spade]

You know, until his face was changed I was coming to be fond of Ratchet...then Bay just did what he usually does best and stomps on whatever vestige of a good idea he has for the Transformers. Can't wait until he realizes Blackout is 'too boxy' or Prime is 'too classic' so he can 'improve' them.

[3 Dev Adam]

I can accept the rationalization that aliens from an machine planet don't need to have a human face. In fact, it would be logical if they had insect-like properties (several eyes and limbs, etc).

Problem is, some of those bots have really fugly faces.

[Reptile]

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/40/r_ratchet070.jpg

This looks like a pissed off colorblind clown.
LoL

[skorponok]

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/40/r_ratchet070.jpg

This looks like a pissed off colorblind clown.


He almost looks as if he has a mouth...


...and a Yosemite Sam Moustache:wow:

[SpideyZERO]

Such a sad face....

I really hate that Ratchet and Ironhide has no Deluxe version (or do them?)

Now I need to get 3 Voyagers (I refuse to buy the ugly leader class Prime) and 2 Deluxes to complete my Autobot team. And I'm not rich. T.T

[Darkwulf]

talk about Bay all you want, i wont try to stop you...


... but i'm still trying to figure out what kind fo drugs they were on when they made the G1 ratchet/ ironhide figures!


even though they bring back memories, that is one crappy design.
they dont even have a head! who looked at that and said "yeah thats a great idea!"

http://www.unicron.us/tf1984/toypix/ratchet1.JPG

[Spade]

talk about Bay all you want, i wont try to stop you...


... but i'm still trying to figure out what kind fo drugs they were on when they made the G1 ratchet/ ironhide figures!


even though they bring back memories, that is one crappy design.
they dont even have a head! who looked at that and said "yeah thats a great idea!"

Ironhide was not originally a Transformers concept. The concept was brought from a now-defunct toy company who originally built a robot without a head. The '84 cartoon used the body and added a head. Hence the reason why the initial toys were sans a head- it wasn't initially built for the G1 lineup.

[cryptic name]

does anyone else think movie ratchet has kind of a rhinox from beast wars feel to him?

[Boiiinng]

Not only that but, he can morph into a totally different car complete with new engine at will. But, he can't morph a voice box?

Well, yeah, that would be logical.

[Reptile]

http://www.unicron.us/tf1984/toypix/ratchet1.JPG
check out the G1 face

[Stringer]

Its like they gave up on making the toy halfway through production

[Psionic Force]

In the midst of the roar of unapproval one small voice announces

'I'm still looking forward to this movie'

I am right there with you ....

[Spelunking Man]

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/40/r_ratchet070.jpg

This looks like a pissed off colorblind clown.

OMG!! I hope it's just a prototype. If not, Hasbro sucks.

[Gold Samurai]

OMG!! I hope it's just a prototype. If not, Hasbro sucks.

its the real deal and the prototype was red a few pages back

[blind_fury]

I can accept the rationalization that aliens from an machine planet don't need to have a human face. In fact, it would be logical if they had insect-like properties (several eyes and limbs, etc).

Problem is, some of those bots have really fugly faces.
These characters are supposed to remind us of ourselves and our society. Facial expressions are extremely important.

How does giving the all the Decepticons bug faces serve the story? The can't smirk, show anger, fear, glee, or any other human emotion. They'll be just a bunch of talking bug faced chickens the audience can't relate to or care about.

I always liked that Transformers had at least one form that resembled humans. It draws you into their world better than if they're just a bunch of talking bug faced monsters.

[blind_fury]

At least Jazz looks like he's wearing sunglasses again

Usually when someone is wearing sunglasses you can see their nose and lips. Jazz looks like he's wearing a gas mask.

The sunglasses-for-eyes was cool Transformers concept. Too bad Bay ignored it completely.

Real alien robots don't have lips and noses! Forget the fact that it makes facial expressions possible and enhances the storytelling! :cmad:

[Sawa_ska]

robots from another galaxy not humans....

live accion movie... not 2d cartoon

2007 not 1984

fat fans

[Substance D]

These characters are supposed to remind us of ourselves and our society. Facial expressions are extremely important.

How does giving the all the Decepticons bug faces serve the story? The can't smirk, show anger, fear, glee, or any other human emotion. They'll be just a bunch of talking bug faced chickens the audience can't relate to or care about.

I always liked that Transformers had at least one form that resembled humans. It draws you into their world better than if they're just a bunch of talking bug faced monsters.

Optimus and Soundwave are two of the most popular Transformers and neither have mouths, and only one has eyes which barely emote. Barricade and Megatron do have human-like features which clearly show emotion - moreso than say C-3PO, R2-D2, Robocop and other popular robotic characters in film history.

[Substance D]

Usually when someone is wearing sunglasses you can see their nose and lips. Jazz looks like he's wearing a gas mask.

The sunglasses-for-eyes was cool Transformers concept. Too bad Bay ignored it completely.

Real alien robots don't have lips and noses! Forget the fact that it makes facial expressions possible and enhances the storytelling! :cmad:

He looks sleek and stylish, which conveys the same thing. His design is very unique from the other Transformers. Combine that with his sexy altmode, give him the right voice and he's sure to be a fan favorite.

[blind_fury]

robots from another galaxy not humans....

live accion movie... not 2d cartoon

2007 not 1984

fat fans

humanoid robots... not bug faced mecha-chickens

iconic characters...not bug faced mecha-chickens

1984 icons.. not bug faced mecha-chickens

fat TF fans >>>> bug faced mecha chicken apologists

[Overman27pj]

I feel dumber after each one of BlindFury's posts. You think he really might be blind?

I dig all the new looks, they will serve the movie great. Everyone thinks soundbyte looks weird, he is supposed to? Just wait till you see him on screen he will look creepy as hell. His transformation will be badass too.

Thanks for posting those new pics all!

[JM0087]

I like all the designs i seen so far except for starscream, i think it will look better when we see them on the big screen.

[ABVH]

robots from another galaxy not humans....

live accion movie... not 2d cartoon

2007 not 1984

fat fans

:trans: :cwink: :trans:

[3 Dev Adam]

Not only that but, he can morph into a totally different car complete with new engine at will. But, he can't morph a voice box?

Cause that would've ruin their plan of another tie-in cash cow, the "Bumble Bee's Greatest Hits" CD.

[bluejake01]

humanoid robots... not bug faced mecha-chickens

iconic characters...not bug faced mecha-chickens

1984 icons.. not bug faced mecha-chickens

fat TF fans >>>> bug faced mecha chicken apologists

I am a huge Transformers fan. If you have any doubts to that effect, then by all means, please come see my collection, or ask me about my teenage years watching G1 toons, and collecting the comics. When I first got my MP-01 Optimus, I took it to bed to play with it (It was late and I had to be on-set early the next day to do an install), and fell asleep mid transformation. My wife came in to find me holding a half transformed Optimus while I was snoring. Yeah...it's a bit pathetic for a man my age, but a really funny image. I get genuinely excited by new products, they never make it home, I have to open them in the car.

Now, if I like the designs for the film, and recognize the film for what it is...a NEW take on an old concept, and yet another re-imagining of a franchise that has endured for almost 3 decades, with countless incarnations...I am an apologist???? What I have seen from this production is a solid attempt at incorporating elements from different generations of Transformers. It's easy to blame Michael Bay for these designs, but he didn't design them. He approved them, but that isn't the same thing. I like the more organic and complex look the designers have gone for. The designs need to sell the idea that these are non-meat, living creatures.

There is no reason to be insultive, belittling or degrading to people that like what they see as far as the designs are concerned. My only true issues are with Megs and Starscream, but I am going to wait and see how they look on film before throwing a fit.

If they made this film just for you, then they would alienate younger people that grew up with different understandings of Transformers. They have a lot working against them. That isn't an apology, it's a fact. I don't really care that you don't like the designs. I don't care that every day, you and your ilk spew nothing but negative comments, feeding off each other's ire. I don't care that so much of your time seems to be wasted by waiting anxiously for new pics so that you can complain about them. I don't apologize for the designers, because in the end I don't CARE if you even watch the film, but even a thinly veiled aside against people that like the designs and defend them is uncalled for. This sort of thing can be discussed without the attacks against other people. And as far as I am concerned making blanket statements about people that like the designs is an attack of sorts, that is meant to slip under the radar.

BTW...yes...Michael Bay is a medicore director that relies on cheap tricks to thrill, but he sure does make some visually stunning films.

[CFlash]

I think Jazz's face looks great. I'm glad they went with the G1 influence.

As for the bug-faces versus humanoid faces, I say this:
Michael Bay isn't the best director for forging a connection between the audience and characters-on-the-screen. Robots with humanoid faces movie would come off as corny on the big screen because of his lack of talent. So, they gotta look weird or "cool" to compensate.

In other words: humanoid faces would work (and work well IMO) in the hands of a better director. As it stands, the bug-faces are a "cool" compromise.

[bluejake01]

fat fans


Now...as for you...seriously...wow...

There is so much wrong with what you did here it doesn't even deserve a response, and yet I am giving one. THIS IS A FAN SITE FOR MOVIES BASED ON COMICS. If you take time out of your little day to post here, you really don't have any right to look down on fans of anything.

[bluejake01]

I think Jazz's face looks great. I'm glad they went with the G1 influence.

As for the bug-faces versus humanoid faces, I say this:
Michael Bay isn't the best director for forging a connection between the audience and characters-on-the-screen. Robots with humanoid faces movie would come off as corny on the big screen because of his lack of talent. So, they gotta look weird or "cool" to compensate.

In other words: humanoid faces would work (and work well IMO) in the hands of a better director. As it stands, the bug-faces are a "cool" compromise.

I think humanoid faces could work just as well if they had the same level of articulation as these movie designs, even in the hands of Bay. The cons and bots seem to be very Beast Wars influenced though, which is neither great nor terrible.

[CFlash]

I think humanoid faces could work just as well if they had the same level of articulation as these movie designs, even in the hands of Bay. The cons and bots seem to be very Beast Wars influenced though, which is neither great nor terrible.

In my mind, I envision static humanoid faces... like the face on Mars... or Dr Doom in F4 (which I think worked well-- all things considered). In Transformers, emotion would be conveyed with interaction with humans... and with good direction on the part of the director.

I mean, C-3PO had a static humanoid face, and his character is one of the richest and relatable ever put on the big-screen. I don't think Michael Bay has the talent to accomplish that. As it stands these robots appear (thus far) to be on the screen to look COOL. "Gee-whiz!". But, not relatable.

[bluejake01]

I mean, C-3PO had a static humanoid face, and his character is one of the richest and relatable ever put on the big-screen. I don't think Michael Bay has the talent to accomplish that. As it stands these robots appear (thus far) to be on the screen to look COOL. "Gee-whiz!". But, not relatable.

The f/x artists are going to be the one's responsible for the "performances" of the Transformers. It is atypical for a director to direct the animators in a hands on way. Ang Lee did not know this and sat over their shoulder on The Hulk. ILM could make even static humanoid faces work, but I personally would like some movement. I want to see that these are more than "robots" I want to see that they are alive.

[Substance D]

The f/x artists are going to be the one's responsible for the "performances" of the Transformers. It is atypical for a director to direct the animators in a hands on way. Ang Lee did not know this and sat over their shoulder on The Hulk. ILM could make even static humanoid faces work, but I personally would like some movement. I want to see that these are more than "robots" I want to see that they are alive.

I think Speilberg's influence will help. I remember an article from a while back where he was giving Bay tips on bringing the characters to life. The filmmakers have all stressed the importance of making the robots real characters. ILM and Speilberg are experts on bringing alien characters to life. Even if Bay hasn't shown a knack with working with CGI characters, he has some very knowledgable people backing him up.

[1987olds442]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg

http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/images/sjrife/images/temp/ghost_turkitron.jpg
Looks familiar :(

[blind_fury]

Optimus and Soundwave are two of the most popular Transformers and neither have mouths, and only one has eyes which barely emote. Barricade and Megatron do have human-like features which clearly show emotion - moreso than say C-3PO, R2-D2, Robocop and other popular robotic characters in film history.

Sure some characters in GI Joe wore masks (Snake Eyes, Stormshadow, Destro, Cobra Commander) but that added mystery to characters who were supposed to be enigmatic or stoic (like Optimus, Shockwave,Soundwave). Their abilty to emote wasn't sacrifice pointlessly. If all the major villians of GI Joe had masks the show would've sucked. People would've been bored by the expressionless villians by the third episode.

And Megatron can't emote any better than an ant or roach. He like all the decepticons has a bug face. Their jaws can flap up and down. Their eyes can glow. But that's the fullest extent of their emotional expressions.

Ultimately a movie robot is expressionless for a reason. Robocop talks in a robotic tone to emphasis his lack of personality and humanity. R2-D2 looks like a trashcan and comminicates with beeps to show the strange and funny possibilties of language and artificail intelligence. Data from Star Trek is incredibly naive and childlike. This is great for situational comedy and emphasizes the limitations of artificial intelligence. Hal from 2001 Space Odessy is the most simple of all. A blinking red light. That's it. A blinking red light. The genius of the simplicity is that Hal is as inhuman as you can get. Making his "conversations" horrorfying.

Transformers are not like any of these robots or any robot before them. They are ALIVE. That's right kids, these robots are just as alive as any of us. They have a planet and gone through life cycles and evolution. They think, feel, and desire things like freedom and honor. Their personalities are complex and unique per individual. Do they have souls? Well if any robot has a soul it would be a Transformer.

So instead of emphasizing how monstrous and alien they are or how ghoulish and insect-like Bay should emphasize how much they resemble a living soul. That's what sets them apart from all other robots in fiction (with exception to Ghost in the Shell). Their the only ones who could possibly be considered sentient life with living souls.

Bay is missing the point by giving decepticon bug faces. He's reducing Megatron and Starscream to soulless monster robots instead of living cybertonian warriors who make us question what qualifies as life what constitutes a soul.

They need to have humanoid faces, not bug faces. Bugs don't care about honor and death. Bugs don't have souls. Transformers have souls. If you want to make a movie about big-evil-soulless-monster-bugs then go direct Starship Troopers 3.

[blind_fury]

I feel dumber after each one of BlindFury's posts.
That's because you're used to "reading" coloring books..

I dig all the new looks, they will serve the movie great. Everyone thinks soundbyte looks weird, he is supposed to? Just wait till you see him on screen he will look creepy as hell. His transformation will be badass too.

back away from the kool aid dude.

[Substance D]

Sure some characters in GI Joe wore masks (Snake Eyes, Stormshadow, Destro, Cobra Commander) but that added mystery to characters who were supposed to be enigmatic or stoic (like Optimus, Shockwave,Soundwave). Their abilty to emote wasn't sacrifice pointlessly. If all the major villians of GI Joe had masks the show would've sucked. People would've been bored by the expressionless villians by the third episode.

And Megatron can't emote any better than an ant or roach. He like all the decepticons has a bug face. Their jaws can flap up and down. Their eyes can glow. But that's the fullest extent of their emotional expressions.

Ultimately a movie robot is expressionless for a reason. Robocop talks in a robotic tone to emphasis his lack of personality and humanity. R2-D2 looks like a trashcan and comminicates with beeps to show the strange and funny possibilties of language and artificail intelligence. Data from Star Trek is incredibly naive and childlike. This is great for situational comedy and emphasizes the limitations of artificial intelligence. Hal from 2001 Space Odessy is the most simple of all. A blinking red light. That's it. A blinking red light. The genius of the simplicity is that Hal is as inhuman as you can get. Making his "conversations" horrorfying.

Transformers are not like any of these robots or any robot before them. They are ALIVE. That's right kids, these robots are just as alive as any of us. They have a planet and gone through life cycles and evolution. They think, feel, and desire things like freedom and honor. Their personalities are complex and unique per individual. Do they have souls? Well if any robot has a soul it would be a Transformer.

So instead of emphasizing how monstrous and alien they are or how ghoulish and insect-like Bay should emphasize how much they resemble a living soul. That's what sets them apart from all other robots in fiction (with exception to Ghost in the Shell). Their the only ones who could possibly be considered sentient life with living souls.

Bay is missing the point by giving decepticon bug faces. He's reducing Megatron and Starscream to soulless monster robots instead of living cybertonian warriors who make us question what qualifies as life what constitutes a soul.

They need to have humanoid faces, not bug faces. Bugs don't care about honor and death. Bugs don't have souls. Transformers have souls. If you want to make a movie about big-evil-soulless-monster-bugs then go direct Starship Troopers 3.


It's funny how you assume they're going to be soulless robots when you haven't even seen the movie yet.

R2-D2 and C-3PO are two of the most endearing characters in the Star Wars franchise. They aren't expressionless. Both have emotional range despite their physical limitations. You seem to have missed my point. If R2-D2 can express fear, happiness, concern, and other emotions through a few beeps, then I'm sure Megatron and the other Transformers can too, considering they have more human characteristics than a trashcan on wheels.

And despite HAL being a computer, he was one of the most human characters in 2001. That was one of the main points of the movie.

[CFlash]

Bugs don't have souls. Transformers have souls. If you want to make a movie about big-evil-soulless-monster-bugs then go direct Starship Troopers 3.

I think that's exactly what they're doing. Didn't you see the Skorponock rising from the desert scene?

[Sawa_ska]

They need to have humanoid faces, not bug faces. Bugs don't care about honor and death. Bugs don't have souls. Transformers have souls. If you want to make a movie about big-evil-soulless-monster-bugs then go direct Starship Troopers 3.

ho! :heart: they need to have humanoid faces

BE ORIGINAL PLEASE... FREE YOUR IMAGINATION!:cmad:

[Lunar_Wolf]

I like the designs they have now. The designs now make them look alien, like they never had connection with Earth. I do believe the characters will come to life and bring out the characteristics just fine. I read somewhere that Starscream will always try best Megatron, that they will have that relationship they have in the show. In the same article it said Jazz will do everything in style.

What if they gave all the Transformers the G1 look and everyone loved the designs, but they didn't have the personalities, that for me would be a bigger disappointment.

[blind_fury]

Now, if I like the designs for the film, and recognize the film for what it is...a NEW take on an old concept, and yet another re-imagining of a franchise that has endured for almost 3 decades, with countless incarnations...I am an apologist???? What I have seen from this production is a solid attempt at incorporating elements from different generations of Transformers. It's easy to blame Michael Bay for these designs, but he didn't design them. He approved them, but that isn't the same thing. I like the more organic and complex look the designers have gone for. The designs need to sell the idea that these are non-meat, living creatures.
I don't buy that the bionicle designs are more realistic. Look at Bay's Bumblebee. He barely has enough skin to compose a car body. The G1 version is far more realistic. His entire car body can be traced backed from his robot form in seconds. Same goes for Prime and Starscream. And very few directors draw their own storyboard and conceptual art but they have the greatest artest available at their disposal. If they approve and use crappy designs it's their fault. If they revamp everything that made the material popualr then they have to accept the unnecessary risk.

There is no reason to be insultive, belittling or degrading to people that like what they see as far as the designs are concerned. My only true issues are with Megs and Starscream, but I am going to wait and see how they look on film before throwing a fit. I don't insult, belittle or degrade anyone. I do however respond to comments directed toward me.

If they made this film just for you, then they would alienate younger people that grew up with different understandings of Transformers.
G1 is the reason Transformers is a pop culture phenomonon. G1 isn't going to alienate kids. They enjoy the same candy I did. They enjoy the same disney movies I grew up on and they would love Soundwave and Shockwave the same way millions of kids did decades ago. Human nature doesn't change. We will always like great stories and characters.

They have a lot working against them. That isn't an apology, it's a fact. I don't really care that you don't like the designs. I don't care that every day, you and your ilk spew nothing but negative comments, feeding off each other's ire. I don't care that so much of your time seems to be wasted by waiting anxiously for new pics so that you can complain about them. I don't apologize for the designers, because in the end I don't CARE if you even watch the film, but even a thinly veiled aside against people that like the designs and defend them is uncalled for. This sort of thing can be discussed without the attacks against other people. And as far as I am concerned making blanket statements about people that like the designs is an attack of sorts, that is meant to slip under the radar.
I have every reason and right to attack the designs. You wouldn't ask a life long fan of Star Wars to be supportive of more Jar Jar sceen time would you?


BTW...yes...Michael Bay is a medicore director that relies on cheap tricks to thrill, but he sure does make some visually stunning films.
GINO and Van Helsing didn't get a sequel because they didn't elevate the material. They both mocked the source material and they both failed.

[CFlash]

GINO and Van Helsing didn't get a sequel because they didn't elevate the material. They both mocked the source material and they both failed.

As did League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (also produced by Don Murphy).

Sadly, some people just don't learn.

As for the designs:
1) I totally understand the rationale and logic behind them.
2) Objectively speaking, I think they look "cool."
3) But, I don't relate to them. And, they're not Transformers. Many come off as a parody (tiny Jazz, big lumbering Bumblebee, ugly grotesque Starscream--- all *opposite* of their original selves).

[Super78]

Fellow TF fans, screw this whole movie!!!

:cmad:

The designs suck.

Can't believe it, but I have to say this movie is shaping up to be even WORSE than what Godzilla 98 was.

[blind_fury]

It's funny how you assume they're going to be soulless robots when you haven't even seen the movie yet.
I knew Batman was going to be a joke in Batman and Robin the minute I saw nipples on the costume. Call me psychic.

R2-D2 and C-3PO are two of the most endearing characters in the Star Wars franchise. They aren't expressionless. Both have emotional range despite their physical limitations. You seem to have missed my point. If R2-D2 can express fear, happiness, concern, and other emotions through a few beeps, then I'm sure Megatron and the other Transformers can too, considering they have more human characteristics than a trashcan on wheels.
I didn't say the droids were expressionless. I simply pointed out they communicate and act the way they do to serve the story. At the end of the day R2-D2 is an adorable robot mascot. So beeps and whistles make sense. It fits the character Why do the all Decepticons have bug faces? How does that serve the story? It's ugly, distracting and turns this into a talking giant bug monster movie. If they were cool to look at I could see the point but these things are eye sores and people are going to be as ready to forget them as they were GINO.

And despite HAL being a computer, he was one of the most human characters in 2001. That was one of the main points of the movie.
That's pure speculation unless you have quote from the writer saying that was one of the main points to the movie. Most audiences still think of Hal as an evil calculating robot not an example of humanity.

[CFlash]

And despite HAL being a computer, he was one of the most human characters in 2001. That was one of the main points of the movie.

I dont know about that one. I think you missed the ultimate point of 2001.

[DOG LIPS]

I don't want to dive into this again, but I'll just say, I would NOT mind Starchicken if he acted like he should. I was able to accept Prime going from a truck to a freakin' gorilla and not skip a beat. But that was because he still acted like he should. As for faces, Prime in the series had blank, blue eyes, no nose or mouth, but he was a big badass personality. From all the leaked crap it appears almost all of the bots will NOT have their personalities. Just blank war bug/bots. YES, things could have changed since then, but I will have to wait until I see the movie to make any concrete judgments. The problem is also the director. I don't hate Bay because it's popular, nor do I hate the guy because I've jumped on the "movie-hate" bandwagon. I hate him because I can't put ANY faith into the guy on this. With Bay I don't expect any of these bots to have personalities, I just expect them to blow things up, then get blown up. The end.

I'm just saying, my view is; if the gorilla-chicken thing got on screen and ACTED like Starscream, I wouldn't care about his design anymore. Yes, it's ****ing ugly, but if in the end he runs off yelling; "If I were in charge we wouldn't have failed!" or some type of smug-ass comment, I'd accept him. But at this point, I'm not holding my breath for hopes that the movie will be deep and full of "character".

[fenox]

WHAT DO YOU GET,
WHEN YOU CROSS
GENERAL GRIEVOUS:
http://www9.yatego.com/images/4238288c30b217.1/star_wars_general_grievous_statue.jpg


WITH

A CHICKEN:
http://images.usatoday.com/tech/_photos/2004/05-12-chicken-main.jpg


YOU GET..........




SOUNDBYTE
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg




:whatever:

[CFlash]

^ ^ ^
In the leaked script, Starscream acts like a vulture.
I think what you guys call "chicken look" is very much done on purpose. The Decepticons are all Aliens(the movie)-inspired H.R. Giger-esque "creatures" with animalistic qualities.

Definately not the Decepticons I know.

[ShadowBoxing]

It's funny how you assume they're going to be soulless robots when you haven't even seen the movie yet.

It helps to have read the script and know what lines the robots say.

[ShadowBoxing]

^ ^ ^
In the leaked script, Starscream acts like a vulture.
I think what you guys call "chicken look" is very much done on purpose. The Decepticons are all Aliens(the movie)-inspired H.R. Giger-esque "creatures" with animalistic qualities.

Definately not the Decepticons I know.
Even Megatron growls like a dinosaur.

[Substance D]

It helps to have read the script and know what lines the robots say.

Um, I did. To me, the Decepticons seemed like hardened terrorists, or soldiers. Of course, some came across as henchmen, but even the cartoon had those and there's not enough time to flesh them all out. Barricade, Starscream and Megatron play their roles well with their limited amount of dialogue. Hopefully, they'll get more lines in the final product. Their facial expressions and body language will help convey character as well.

[Substance D]

I dont know about that one. I think you missed the ultimate point of 2001.

HAL. Human and Lovable. That's what HAL should stand for. In Stanely Kubrick's films, the only character that is even close to being human is HAL, the computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The characters within the Kubrick world are cold and distant, "Victim of the Modern Age," the writer in A Clockwork Orange says. The tiny microcosm of society that this filmmaker presents to us is merely a reflection of his own jaded perception of reality.

The characters within 2001 are themselves anti-human. Case and Point: Heywood Floyd. Within the little dialogue spoken in the film, Heywood has the second most amount of lines. Yet his "speak" is riddled with exposition. His conversation with his own daughter is anything but heartfelt. His "I love you" has a false sense to it.

Frank Poole is another "human machine". He is quite plain. No mannerisms or any colorization of his actions. He is anything but personable. Review the scene when he watches his parents on the television. He is isolated in space, no change of scenery or climate and he has absolutely no emotion viewing his parents... on his birthday! At least HAL wishes him all his best on this special day, and sounds much more convincing than his parents who babble on their transmission.

HAL is honest, warm, friendly, polite. His "death" is more touching than any in the Kubrick collection. He is mortal, just like humans. He gets confused and hurt, along with everybody else in the repertoire. Betrayal by Poole and Bowman is more striking when the viewer realizes that HAL knew their motives all along. This is perhaps why he seems so sinister, that he let them carry it out. He seems menacing when he counters their betrayal with killing. HAL's conflict was not over control, but over the mission. He had no choice. That's why he is human. He is as confused as the rest of humanity. Who can blame him?
http://home.access4less.net/~krisbee/hal.html

The central character of the landmark 1968 film 2001: A Space Odysey is a computer named HAL. As those who have seen the film may recall, HAL has a remarkably human set of qualities: along with his monitoring of the ship, he can see and hear, play chess, and more importantly, speak and understand English perfectly. Following the model of computers in the 1960s, HAL is a room-sized central processing unit in the bowels of the ship, but with eyes, ears, and mouth distributed throughout it. He is in a sense, an omnipresent intelligence, interacting in a warm and friendly though occasionally patronizing manner with Dave and Frank, the human members of the crew who stay awake during the long voyage to Jupiter while the rest of the crew hibernates. HAL is the vision of author Arthur C. Clarke and director Stanley Kubrick, an extrapolation some thirty years into the future. Given the painstaking attention to realism that characterizes the film as a whole, HAL is a convincing, even inspirational extrapolation.
http://llt.msu.edu/vol1num1/reviews/hal.html

Undoubtedly the most complex character in the film, HAL interacted much like a human -- even to the point of letting inner conflicts drive him to murder. While artificial intelligence has long been captivating material for computer scientists, philosophers, science fiction writers, and movie directors alike, HAL stands out both as a fascinating film character and a carefully thought out vision of where artificial intelligence might've been at the dawn of the new millennium.
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1859.htm

If a dot on a wall can become such an iconic, resonating character I'm sure the movie Transformers can as well.

[ShadowBoxing]

Um, I did. To me, the Decepticons seemed like hardened terrorists, or soldiers.
From what lines did you get this...they don't even speak until page 60, and when they do it's "where's the artifact".
Of course, some came across as henchmen, but even the cartoon had those and there's not enough time to flesh them all out.
I'd rewatch the cartoon then. Sure they had a few, but by and large you could identify very strong personality traits about everyone. Scourge, Cyclonus, Starscream, the Constructicons, Blitzwing, Astrotrain, the Combaticons and Stunticons for example all had showcase episodes where they were fleshed out very well in relation to the other characters.
Barricade, Starscream and Megatron play their roles well with their limited amount of dialogue.
3 lines for Barricade.
0 for Starscream.
Megatron is the only one who aludes to aspects of his character.
Hopefully, they'll get more lines in the final product.
Doubt it...the actors on set actually would play the robots sometimes when they weren't in the scene to give the humans the pacing and interaction...if anything editted scripts get shorter.
Their facial expressions and body language will help convey character as well.
Good luck with that:whatever:

[Lunar_Wolf]

WTF??? Why doesn't Starscream get any lines?

[Dr Lee]

He did, though it was only one or two lines in the draft script, it's possible that they decided to extend that scene and/or add other lines elsewhere

[Substance D]

From what lines did you get this...they don't even speak until page 60, and when they do it's "where's the artifact".

There dialogue is short and to the point. Barricade acts like a bastard, taunting Spike then demanding the artifact. He then orders Frenzy to gather the rest of the Decepticons. Then Starscream orders the Decepticons around in the final attack until Megatron is freed. Just like a second in command. They act like soldiers. Not goofy cartoon characters. They don't have time for it.

I'd rewatch the cartoon then. Sure they had a few, but by and large you could identify very strong personality traits about everyone. Scourge, Cyclonus, Starscream, the Constructicons, Blitzwing, Astrotrain, the Combaticons and Stunticons for example all had showcase episodes where they were fleshed out very well in relation to the other characters.

All within the first story arc? I don't think so. Why don't you try rewatching the first few episodes. You really expect one movie to cover the entire character line up in two hours?

3 lines for Barricade.
0 for Starscream.
Megatron is the only one who aludes to aspects of his character.

Doubt it...the actors on set actually would play the robots sometimes when they weren't in the scene to give the humans the pacing and interaction...if anything editted scripts get shorter.

Yeah, but most of the scenes where the Decepticons interact with one another alone would require no humans on set. If anything, all signs point to more dialogue between the Decepticons. The writers have said this. If the final product reveals otherwise, then they are liars. But the writers have stated that Starscream and Megatron will interact just like in the cartoon.

Good luck with that:whatever:

Um, yeah.

[echostation]

michael bay is no Kubrick... why the hell did someone bring in HAL the classic character into this thread

[Substance D]

michael bay is no Kubrick... why the hell did someone bring in HAL the classic character into this thread

Someone was saying that bugfaced Transformers won't be able to emote or garner affection. If a red dot can, I'm pretty sure the new designs too. I'm just saying it's not impossible like some haters are claiming.

[1987olds442]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg

http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/images/sjrife/images/temp/ghost_turkitron.jpg
Looks familiar :(
Cybernetic Ghost Of Christmas Past From The Future & Turkitron

[Creature SH]

WTF??? Why doesn't Starscream get any lines?
He did, though it was only one or two lines in the draft script, it's possible that they decided to extend that scene and/or add other lines elsewhere

However, his two lines were noted to be in (subtitled) Cybertronian - Which the script described as sort of a modem noise.

[CFlash]

If a dot on a wall can become such an iconic, resonating character I'm sure the movie Transformers can as well.

I sincerely doubt Arthur Clarke's intention was for HAL to appear more human than human... although superficially that is exactly what you're led to believe. He is explicitely programmed to do what he does... by humans... and he carries out his exact programming in a mechanical way that no human (short of being a psychopath) would.

HAL is anti-human. Not some reflection of humanity. In fact, he is a tool. Just like the bone-tool the apes weild in the beginning.

[AyeCapn]

I sincerely doubt Arthur Clarke's intention was for HAL to appear more human than human... I'll argue that. Kubrick and Clarke co-wrote the screenplay at the same time Clarke was writing the novel. They happened simulataneously, and Clarke was intimately involved in the production and character design of 2001.

[Substance D]

I sincerely doubt Arthur Clarke's intention was for HAL to appear more human than human... although superficially that is exactly what you're led to believe. He is explicitely programmed to do what he does... by humans... and he carries out his exact programming in a mechanical way that no human (short of being a psychopath) would.

HAL is anti-human. Not some reflection of humanity. In fact, he is a tool. Just like the bone-tool the apes weild in the beginning.

Yes, I'm sure you've read the books where his consciousness escapes physical limitations and he merges with David Bowman.

Either way, even if it wasn't intentional, it only helps prove my point. If they weren't intentionally intending him to be such a resonating, multidimensional character, then a team of people who are experienced with making lively CGI characters shouldn't have much trouble with the new Transformers. Please, quit arguing for the sake of arguing.

[AyeCapn]

Please, quit arguing for the sake of arguing.you don't know CFlash very well, do you?

:(

[CFlash]

<snip>then a team of people who are experienced with making lively CGI characters shouldn't have much trouble with the new Transformers. Please, quit arguing for the sake of arguing.


Apparently you haven't seen Godzilla 98, Jar Jar Binks, or the Aliens-inspired crappola Species.

[InVictus]

Actually i the beak of frenzy is just an illusion. It has somewhat only one central eye, with two things cheek like and a crest, the "beak" is one of its cheek...
But it's still ugly as hell...

[Substance D]

Apparently you haven't seen Godzilla 98, Jar Jar Binks, or the Aliens-inspired crappola Species.

You apparently haven't seen The Hulk, War of the Worlds, Jurassic Park, E.T., etc etc etc. I could go on. You know ILM does good stuff. Quit being stupid. I know you're better than this.

[CFlash]

You apparently haven't seen The Hulk, War of the Worlds, Jurassic Park, E.T., etc etc etc. I could go on. You know ILM does good stuff. Quit being stupid.

The Hulk was horrible. CGI was putrid. But, yes, I know ILM does good stuff.
Quit ending your comments with a jab. I don't do it to you. Grow up a little.

[Substance D]

The Hulk was horrible. CGI was putrid. But, yes, I know ILM does good stuff.
Quit ending your comments with a jab. I don't do it to you. Grow up a little.

I didn't mean it as a jab. I was seriously worried about your mental state.

[CFlash]

I didn't mean it as a jab. I was seriously worried about your mental state.

And I yours.

[the_ultimate_evil]

I am a huge Transformers fan. If you have any doubts to that effect, then by all means, please come see my collection, or ask me about my teenage years watching G1 toons, and collecting the comics. When I first got my MP-01 Optimus, I took it to bed to play with it (It was late and I had to be on-set early the next day to do an install), and fell asleep mid transformation. My wife came in to find me holding a half transformed Optimus while I was snoring. Yeah...it's a bit pathetic for a man my age, but a really funny image. I get genuinely excited by new products, they never make it home, I have to open them in the car.

Now, if I like the designs for the film, and recognize the film for what it is...a NEW take on an old concept, and yet another re-imagining of a franchise that has endured for almost 3 decades, with countless incarnations...I am an apologist???? What I have seen from this production is a solid attempt at incorporating elements from different generations of Transformers. It's easy to blame Michael Bay for these designs, but he didn't design them. He approved them, but that isn't the same thing. I like the more organic and complex look the designers have gone for. The designs need to sell the idea that these are non-meat, living creatures.

There is no reason to be insultive, belittling or degrading to people that like what they see as far as the designs are concerned. My only true issues are with Megs and Starscream, but I am going to wait and see how they look on film before throwing a fit.

If they made this film just for you, then they would alienate younger people that grew up with different understandings of Transformers. They have a lot working against them. That isn't an apology, it's a fact. I don't really care that you don't like the designs. I don't care that every day, you and your ilk spew nothing but negative comments, feeding off each other's ire. I don't care that so much of your time seems to be wasted by waiting anxiously for new pics so that you can complain about them. I don't apologize for the designers, because in the end I don't CARE if you even watch the film, but even a thinly veiled aside against people that like the designs and defend them is uncalled for. This sort of thing can be discussed without the attacks against other people. And as far as I am concerned making blanket statements about people that like the designs is an attack of sorts, that is meant to slip under the radar.

BTW...yes...Michael Bay is a medicore director that relies on cheap tricks to thrill, but he sure does make some visually stunning films.


holy ****:wow: someone with common sense and intelligance to discuss things like adults, ohh its just you bluejake should have known :)

[Tad Fatherton]

And I yours.
clever!

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, but most of the scenes where the Decepticons interact with one another alone would require no humans on set. If anything, all signs point to more dialogue between the Decepticons. The writers have said this. If the final product reveals otherwise, then they are liars. But the writers have stated that Starscream and Megatron will interact just like in the cartoon.

No, Don Murphy said Megatron and Starscream would interact like they would in the cartoon BEFORE the script leak...and lo and behold he turned out to be a liar..or at least not enough involved to make that decision.

And I feel very sorry for someone who trusts Don Murphy who habitually will say things whether they are true or not. Hell, before filming he even promised Bumblebee would be voiced...that's right voiced...by his original voice actor. And even stated "why make change for the sake of change" when asked about the flat nosed semi versus long nose semi. The man just says whatever pops into his head it seems.

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". I don't know why everyone keeps saying this, because it is not nor ever was the case. Even Bay himself claimed the script was "on lockdown" and the rewriting was only being down during filming. As we KNOW the trailer matches up frame for frame with the script. As far as we can tell they changed nothing.

[Substance D]

No, Don Murphy said Megatron and Starscream would interact like they would in the cartoon BEFORE the script leak...and lo and behold he turned out to be a liar..or at least not enough involved to make that decision.

And I feel very sorry for someone who trusts Don Murphy who habitually will say things whether they are true or not. Hell, before filming he even promised Bumblebee would be voiced...that's right voiced...by his original voice actor. And even stated "why make change for the sake of change" when asked about the flat nosed semi versus long nose semi. The man just says whatever pops into his head it seems.

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". I don't know why everyone keeps saying this, because it is not nor ever was the case. Even Bay himself claimed the script was "on lockdown" and the rewriting was only being down during filming. As we KNOW the trailer matches up frame for frame with the script. As far as we can tell they changed nothing.

Yes, less than two minutes of random footage really equals up to an entire film. Do I really need to insert an eyeroll smiley to show how asinine your post is, or is it already obvious enough?

[AyeCapn]

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". On another forum Orci said they were working on writing more TF dialog. Can't remember which forum or thread though...

[AyeCapn]

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". On another forum Orci said they were working on writing more TF dialog. Can't remember which forum or thread though...

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, less than two minutes of random footage really equals up to an entire film. Do I really need to insert an eyeroll smiley to show how asinine your post is, or is it already obvious enough?No, but then I heard that tired argument from Cyclops fans during X3 trailer releases. If they really honestly changed the movie, you'd expect the movie trailer to reflect that in some way...but in fact it advertised the exact movie fans were fearing. An ID4 featuring mindless destruction machines. And not a single line was different, not even a frame. You're telling me with all this rewriting, and I could take out 2 random minutes and find absolutely no change. That seems as dubious to me as your claim they've changed things for the better.

If anything they've gotten worse.

Lets see what changes they have made. Initially a bad, chronically decapitated character known as Soundwave was running around the movie. Fans who read the script found him annoying and to be a bastardization of Soundwave...so rather than writing a GOOD Soundwave INTO the script. They just renamed him to someone fans had less of an attachment to. Namely Frenzy.

When fans complained about Starscream's initial design they decided to change it...by making a new and equally hideous head. The EXACT thing fans complained about.

When fans complained about Megatron looking like...well...crap. The crew relented and said the design was not final, and the head would not look like that. Fast forward to today, I still cannot tell the difference between the two heads. Final and work in progress.

The fact is the staff has done anything but change, in fact they tend to exhaserbate the problems. And lie to top it off. The writers of X3 in fact did the same thing. Talking endlessly about how much the script changed...only to find it hadn't and any changes were purely cosmetic. And to top this off we are 150 days out and still no voice actors, which makes that claim apologists throw around about more dialogue even more dubious. Cullen was cast...and for all we know at this point he is taking on ALL the voices. I'd have to say if they added more lines they'd be more up on getting credible voice actors to fill the roles. But I only know of one other voice actor potentially attached...and he is WELL known for doing "various characters".

[Substance D]

No, but then I heard that tired argument from Cyclops fans during X3 trailer releases. If they really honestly changed the movie, you'd expect the movie trailer to reflect that in some way...but in fact it advertised the exact movie fans were fearing. An ID4 featuring mindless destruction machines. And not a single line was different, not even a frame. You're telling me with all this rewriting, and I could take out 2 random minutes and find absolutely no change. That seems as dubious to me as your claim they've changed things for the better.

If anything they've gotten worse.

Lets see what changes they have made. Initially a bad, chronically decapitated character known as Soundwave was running around the movie. Fans who read the script found him annoying and to be a bastardization of Soundwave...so rather than writing a GOOD Soundwave INTO the script. They just renamed him to someone fans had less of an attachment to. Namely Frenzy.

When fans complained about Starscream's initial design they decided to change it...by making a new and equally hideous head. The EXACT thing fans complained about.

When fans complained about Megatron looking like...well...crap. The crew relented and said the design was not final, and the head would not look like that. Fast forward to today, I still cannot tell the difference between the two heads. Final and work in progress.

The fact is the staff has done anything but change, in fact they tend to exhaserbate the problems. And to top this off we are 150 days out and still no voice actors, which makes that claim apologists throw around about more dialogue even more dubious. Cullen was cast...and for all we know at this point he is taking on ALL the voices. I'd have to say if they added more lines they'd be more up on getting credible voice actors to fill the roles. But I only know of one other voice actor potentially attached...and he is WELL known for doing "various characters".

I get your point. Let's just agree to disagree. I guess I'm not as fervent as you because I'm okay with the designs and the script. I will be dissapointed if they are just saying things to make the fans shut up though.

[Orion Pax]

No, but then I heard that tired argument from Cyclops fans during X3 trailer releases. If they really honestly changed the movie, you'd expect the movie trailer to reflect that in some way...but in fact it advertised the exact movie fans were fearing. An ID4 featuring mindless destruction machines. And not a single line was different, not even a frame. You're telling me with all this rewriting, and I could take out 2 random minutes and find absolutely no change. That seems as dubious to me as your claim they've changed things for the better.

If anything they've gotten worse.

Lets see what changes they have made. Initially a bad, chronically decapitated character known as Soundwave was running around the movie. Fans who read the script found him annoying and to be a bastardization of Soundwave...so rather than writing a GOOD Soundwave INTO the script. They just renamed him to someone fans had less of an attachment to. Namely Frenzy.

When fans complained about Starscream's initial design they decided to change it...by making a new and equally hideous head. The EXACT thing fans complained about.

When fans complained about Megatron looking like...well...crap. The crew relented and said the design was not final, and the head would not look like that. Fast forward to today, I still cannot tell the difference between the two heads. Final and work in progress.

The fact is the staff has done anything but change, in fact they tend to exhaserbate the problems. And lie to top it off. The writers of X3 in fact did the same thing. Talking endlessly about how much the script changed...only to find it hadn't and any changes were purely cosmetic. And to top this off we are 150 days out and still no voice actors, which makes that claim apologists throw around about more dialogue even more dubious. Cullen was cast...and for all we know at this point he is taking on ALL the voices. I'd have to say if they added more lines they'd be more up on getting credible voice actors to fill the roles. But I only know of one other voice actor potentially attached...and he is WELL known for doing "various characters".

I see your point, ShadowBoxing. The example of X3 is a good one but just because we haven't heard of any other voice actors cast doesn't mean there aren't voice actors in the studios recording voice overs for the TF's. The news just hasn't been released yet. I find it hard to believe with so few days to go until release that this piece of the movie is not underway if not already completed...but that is just my opinion.

[Tad Fatherton]

No, Don Murphy said Megatron and Starscream would interact like they would in the cartoon BEFORE the script leak...and lo and behold he turned out to be a liar..or at least not enough involved to make that decision.

And I feel very sorry for someone who trusts Don Murphy who habitually will say things whether they are true or not. Hell, before filming he even promised Bumblebee would be voiced...that's right voiced...by his original voice actor. And even stated "why make change for the sake of change" when asked about the flat nosed semi versus long nose semi. The man just says whatever pops into his head it seems.

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". I don't know why everyone keeps saying this, because it is not nor ever was the case. Even Bay himself claimed the script was "on lockdown" and the rewriting was only being down during filming. As we KNOW the trailer matches up frame for frame with the script. As far as we can tell they changed nothing.
you're basing all the dialogue in the movie off of three lines said in the trailer by a news reporter and a military figure that is not a main character or a transformer. do you see how ridiculous your complaint is?

[Overman27pj]

[insert new pic here]

pic

[cosmicherosa]

The designs in this movie look retarded on paper. Perhaps movement will make them.......bah, not even gonna try.

[echostation]

I'm just curious to see if Optimus will have sex with the main girl in the film so that Bumble Bee the hoover Transformer can get it on with the chapping young lad of the film... Shia LaBuff.

[echostation]

still I believe the trailer looks amazing, the special effects look groundbreakingly real IMO

[Golgo-13]

I see your point, ShadowBoxing. The example of X3 is a good one but just because we haven't heard of any other voice actors cast doesn't mean there aren't voice actors in the studios recording voice overs for the TF's. The news just hasn't been released yet. I find it hard to believe with so few days to go until release that this piece of the movie is not underway if not already completed...but that is just my opinion.

I think that's SB point. The dialogue for the movie should be complete by now. If anything the voice actors should have been cast.

I always thought it was standard practice when adding voices to animated characters, that the voices be recorded first, so that the animators could animate their CGI character TOO the voice, and not the other way round.:confused:

I think ShadowBoxing has a valid point, especially as far as the voice casting is concerned. I had made this very same assumption when i heard that Welker was rumored to to be cast; that they would hire him and make him not only do Megatron's voice but ALL the other TF's with the exception of Optimus Prime.

The bottomline is, so far everything we've seen and heard from last year is now slowly being confirmed as being exactly the same; in other words, all the 'work in progress' hoopla they've been feeding us should be proof that their word is no good, and that production is locked down to any changes.

The only saving grace of this movie now, in regards to the leaked script, rests in the hands of the editors in the editing room.:csad:

[3 Dev Adam]

On the script, Megs and Stars speak in Cybertronese (with subtitles). But there's still time to make 'em speak english, since it's just a matter of ADR.

Alas, the fact that the bots have no mouths implies that their dialogue can be changed at will.

[MrMidnite]

Sorry im new here and someone may have mentioned this, but what is frenzy supposed to be when not in robot mode

:trans:

[deathshead2]

Isn't he a boombox or something? I have no idea anymore.

[cryptic name]

He looks sleek and stylish, which conveys the same thing. His design is very unique from the other Transformers. Combine that with his sexy altmode, give him the right voice and he's sure to be a fan favorite.

no pontiac is sexy

[Dr Lee]

A Boom box

[Spade]

Sorry im new here and someone may have mentioned this, but what is frenzy supposed to be when not in robot mode

:trans:

An utterly useless piece of junk. His alternate mode is not unique in this film, though.

[Orko Is King]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/4418245c5571d38bab.jpg

http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/images/sjrife/images/temp/ghost_turkitron.jpg
Looks familiar :(

The Adult Swim guys should file a lawsuit.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think that's SB point. The dialogue for the movie should be complete by now. If anything the voice actors should have been cast.

I always thought it was standard practice when adding voices to animated characters, that the voices be recorded first, so that the animators could animate their CGI character TOO the voice, and not the other way round.:confused:

I think ShadowBoxing has a valid point, especially as far as the voice casting is concerned. I had made this very same assumption when i heard that Welker was rumored to to be cast; that they would hire him and make him not only do Megatron's voice but ALL the other TF's with the exception of Optimus Prime.

The bottomline is, so far everything we've seen and heard from last year is now slowly being confirmed as being exactly the same; in other words, all the 'work in progress' hoopla they've been feeding us should be proof that their word is no good, and that production is locked down to any changes.

The only saving grace of this movie now, in regards to the leaked script, rests in the hands of the editors in the editing room.:csad:Actually who I was referring to was a man named Bryan Cox (not Brian Cox of X2 fame) who auditioned for three of the robot parts (we assume Megatron and Optimus are not included in this) and created three separate voices for each part. This was extremely upsetting to me as it shows Bay's level of committment to these characters. Granted Sunbow did similar things, however they had far more than three or four parts to cast.

[Shinobi Rendar]

I think Frenzy (soundbyte) is my only REAL dissapointment out of all the designs. That is just plain old lazy designing and not to say really simliar to stuff we've already seen before.

With that said. All the designs hav grown on me, even ChickenScream. Love Ironhide and Jazz.

That is all.

:ninja:

[DOG LIPS]

Actually who I was referring to was a man named Bryan Cox (not Brian Cox of X2 fame) who auditioned for three of the robot parts (we assume Megatron and Optimus are not included in this) and created three separate voices for each part. This was extremely upsetting to me as it shows Bay's level of committment to these characters. Granted Sunbow did similar things, however they had far more than three or four parts to cast.

Man, you seriously just need to relax and have a little.......














Courage!!!

[zanos]

No, but then I heard that tired argument from Cyclops fans during X3 trailer releases. If they really honestly changed the movie, you'd expect the movie trailer to reflect that in some way...but in fact it advertised the exact movie fans were fearing. An ID4 featuring mindless destruction machines. And not a single line was different, not even a frame. You're telling me with all this rewriting, and I could take out 2 random minutes and find absolutely no change. That seems as dubious to me as your claim they've changed things for the better.

If anything they've gotten worse.

Lets see what changes they have made. Initially a bad, chronically decapitated character known as Soundwave was running around the movie. Fans who read the script found him annoying and to be a bastardization of Soundwave...so rather than writing a GOOD Soundwave INTO the script. They just renamed him to someone fans had less of an attachment to. Namely Frenzy.

When fans complained about Starscream's initial design they decided to change it...by making a new and equally hideous head. The EXACT thing fans complained about.

When fans complained about Megatron looking like...well...crap. The crew relented and said the design was not final, and the head would not look like that. Fast forward to today, I still cannot tell the difference between the two heads. Final and work in progress.

The fact is the staff has done anything but change, in fact they tend to exhaserbate the problems. And lie to top it off. The writers of X3 in fact did the same thing. Talking endlessly about how much the script changed...only to find it hadn't and any changes were purely cosmetic. And to top this off we are 150 days out and still no voice actors, which makes that claim apologists throw around about more dialogue even more dubious. Cullen was cast...and for all we know at this point he is taking on ALL the voices. I'd have to say if they added more lines they'd be more up on getting credible voice actors to fill the roles. But I only know of one other voice actor potentially attached...and he is WELL known for doing "various characters".

What does it matter who does the voices?

[ShadowBoxing]

What does it matter who does the voices?
I guess you could ask why does it matter that Cullen, and not just "some guy" does Optimus. Because voices and character go hand in hand. If the parts are small however and the characters unimportant you don't need anyone special doing the voice (hence why "various characters" is usually filled by people who can do very good generic voices).

Also it's cheap and shows a distinct lack of committment to the robots, who ought to be the primary focus.

[3 Dev Adam]

Sorry im new here and someone may have mentioned this, but what is frenzy supposed to be when not in robot mode

:trans:

A CD Player. Don Murphy says so on the interview. His weapons are dented CDs.

[cosmicherosa]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/cosmicherosa/garbage.jpg

[cosmicherosa]

Man. My toleration for this movie has felt like I am on a menstrual/PMS schedule, and I am a guy. There are times when I am happy and stoked about the movie, but mostly like I hate my life and wanna stab someone in the legs.

1. Designs for MOST of the bots are REALLY corny and lame.

2. Script reviews show that the bots show up, and Sam can read their robot minds and figure out what they want. They hardly talk, and leave humans to figure out who is good and bad. Pretty crappy.

3. Focus on the humans. Why? Just call the movie "I am Sam 2: The Reckoning" or "Sam (and the Transformers)". The robots show up, find out where the Allspark or whatever they are gonna call it and decide to "hang around with Sam"? Please. They could and should care less about them.

Much more but I will be there day 1 and hoping that the negative stuff I feel towards the movie is blown away.

[ZER0C00L]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/transformers_bigteaserposter.jpg

http://www.monsterlandtoys.com/video/godzilla%201998.jpg

[Orko Is King]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/transformers_bigteaserposter.jpg

http://www.monsterlandtoys.com/video/godzilla%201998.jpg

:wow: :wow:

[DOG LIPS]

:csad:

[Avangarde]

:csad:

[Theweepeople]

No, Don Murphy said Megatron and Starscream would interact like they would in the cartoon BEFORE the script leak...and lo and behold he turned out to be a liar..or at least not enough involved to make that decision.

And I feel very sorry for someone who trusts Don Murphy who habitually will say things whether they are true or not. Hell, before filming he even promised Bumblebee would be voiced...that's right voiced...by his original voice actor. And even stated "why make change for the sake of change" when asked about the flat nosed semi versus long nose semi. The man just says whatever pops into his head it seems.

The writers have said nothing outside of "we hired a panel to shore up the jokes in the script", not "we're giving the Decepticons more lines". I don't know why everyone keeps saying this, because it is not nor ever was the case. Even Bay himself claimed the script was "on lockdown" and the rewriting was only being down during filming. As we KNOW the trailer matches up frame for frame with the script. As far as we can tell they changed nothing.


Nice comparison to X3 Shadow. I did some background research on the production of that film and it was a complete mess. When the initial script came out fans hated it and the script writers(Penn and Kinberg) said the script was old and had been revised. When Matthew Vaungh left the project Brett Ratner was hired and fans complained. Avi Arad responded to fanboy complaints by calling them idiots for not liking the decision to hire Ratner who has been known for being a hack. Ratner ended up changing an already weak script a few weeks before filming time. Then Fox had someone involved with the production of the film tell lies about the content of the picture which made it sound epic!!!!

http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2306.asp

These same spoilers were posted on xmenfilms.net and most of them turned out to be false.

Then Fox filed a lawsuit against Aint it cool news to prevent them from posting a negative review from a screening that revealed the following:

The deaths of Cyclops, Xavier, and Jean. Magneto and Rogue being cured. The running time of the film(104 minutes).

Another thing to note is that Fox CEO Tom Rothman said the review was fake!!!!

Finally, writer Simon Kinerg spent 5 months on thexverse.com telling lies and misleading people about what would be in X3.

Based on all the misleading things I've seen from the people involved with this picture I'm convinced they are doing the same with Transformers that 20th century Fox did with X3. I'm never going to put my faith in hollywood to properly make these types of films ever again.

[Tad Fatherton]

:woot:

[Psionic Force]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/transformers_bigteaserposter.jpg

http://www.monsterlandtoys.com/video/godzilla%201998.jpg

come on ... this conparison is kind of lame.

[Spade]

come on ... this conparison is kind of lame.

Movie hyped out to be faithful to the source material but in actuality a supposedly 'improved' film v. movie hyped out to be faithful to the source material but in actuality a supposedly 'improved' film.

Mind noting the difference?

[Psionic Force]

Movie hyped out to be faithful to the source material but in actuality a supposedly 'improved' film v. movie hyped out to be faithful to the source material but in actuality a supposedly 'improved' film.

Mind noting the difference?

First off... I think you read WAY to much into that comparison. I believe the obvious comparison was solely based on the use of an eye in the poster.

Might as well just post this ....

http://images.killermovies.com/g/thegrudge2/gallery/poster.jpg

[ZER0C00L]

the comparison was that both movies were thought to be Awesome but inevitably sucked ass..

[Spade]

First off... I think you read WAY to much into that comparison. I believe the obvious comparison was solely based on the use of an eye in the poster.

Might as well just post this ....

That was another bore fest too. And no, it wasn't just because of the eye. Ask ZER0 if it's not obvious enough, but it's common knowledge Godzilla deviated from the core concept so hard it flailed in the box office. The comparison was used because the advertisements are oddly the same...hmm...

[Theweepeople]

the comparison was that both movies were thought to be Awesome but inevitably sucked ass..

Agreed. I'm expecting transformers to suck until I see any positive reviews around July that convince me otherwise. I can't go through an emotional roller coaster ride similar to what I went through with X3 that started in april of 2005 and may 2006. I'm still complaining about how bad X3 was in the "If you don't like the movie post here" thread and will continue doing so for a long time.

[Boiiinng]

First off... I think you read WAY to much into that comparison. I believe the obvious comparison was solely based on the use of an eye in the poster.

Might as well just post this ....

http://images.killermovies.com/g/thegrudge2/gallery/poster.jpg

Except in the Godzilla and Transformers posters the eyes are looking stiffly and sternly with a squinting eyebrow, describing intense and concerned focus, whereas the Japanese kid is just making that scary, wide-eyed and wide-mouthed horror face that he always makes in those movies, cuz that's all 4 year olds know how to do.

:woot:

[Orko Is King]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/3947145c8038b09838.png

[CFlash]

the comparison was that both movies were thought to be Awesome but inevitably sucked ass..

You know when hokey b-movies with no budget (Godzilla 2000, Godzilla Final Wars... not to mention all the classics including the original) are eons more thought-provoking and fun to watch than a mega-million $ Hollywood movie that something is wrong. And something was indeed wrong with Hollywood circa 1998 thanks to Roland Emmerich and Michael Bay....

It culminated in Bay's Master-Crap-Piece Pearl Harbor a couple of years later. Luckily a couple of talented filmmakers (Peter Jackson, Sam Raimi, and Gore Verbinsky) saved Hollywood from itself.

Now Bay threatens to destroy it all over again. God help us.

[Psionic Force]

the comparison was that both movies were thought to be Awesome but inevitably sucked ass..

Well, then maybe that should have been stated, not just implied.

[PWN3R]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/transformers_bigteaserposter.jpg

http://www.monsterlandtoys.com/video/godzilla%201998.jpg

:csad:

Lips is actually referring to the "size does matter" quote.:dry:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/3947145c8038b09838.png

He looks like he has a face on his face.:huh:

[CFlash]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/3947145c8038b09838.png


Goddman why must these things be so godforesaken ugly! U.G.L.Y.

How is this more realistic? Logically, robots dont even need faces. So if the faces are there to facilitate communication with other species, wouldn't it stand to reason that they would mimic the faces of that other species? They are "Transformers" after all.

[Headless Knight]

Blackout has a vagina mouth.

[blind_fury]

Well, then maybe that should have been stated, not just implied.

C'mon this movie is shaping up to be EXACTLY like GINO..

The character design changes are just as wreckless and forgettable.

Optimus Prime and Godzilla are household names and icons because their original characterizations struck a cord. Take that away and audiences have no cultural or nostalgic references to appreciate.

In the summer of 1998 people were like, "Cool a Godzilla movie made by Americans! Godzilla is awesome this is going to rock!"

Then they left the theatre like, "What the hell was that? Where was Godzilla? What a waste of time. Let's go watch Deep Impact again."

[blind_fury]

Blackout has a vagina mouth.

The scary thing is his face looks better than Megatron.

[Theweepeople]

The scary thing is his face looks better than Megatron.

Interesting. If you take away the vagina mouth and add Galvatron's mouth you have Galvatron who had been recreated from Megatron.

[blind_fury]

Hollywood 1998: Hey we need a popular franchise lets do Godzilla! But when we make it let's take out all the details that made it popualar in the first place, that will never backfire in our faces.

Hollywood 2007: Hey we need a popualr franchise lets do Transformers! But when we make it let's take out all the details that made it popualr in the first place, that will never backfire in our faces.

[Theweepeople]

If this movie ends up being a colosal disappointment for fanboys then all the people involved with this picture better not show their faces at comiccon or any future transformer conventions because they will be booed for an eternity. In fact Hasbro better prepare for poor toy sales and attendance at any future Botcon conventions if this movie sucks. This investment could hurt them more then all the foolish mistakes they made with the first Transformers movie in 1986.

[ZER0C00L]

what was the first mistake with transformers the movie?

optimus primes death?

[ZER0C00L]

Well, then maybe that should have been stated, not just implied.

hrm, i have far to much hope in humanity to be less stupid then what it is..

[Dotten]

The deaths of Cyclops, Xavier, and Jean. Magneto and Rogue being cured. The running time of the film(104 minutes).

Another thing to note is that Fox CEO Tom Rothman said the review was fake!!!!



But then again Xavier did not die in the movie (the revealing couple of minutes shown after the credits).

I'm just glad I did not hang around at forums reading every complaint of X3 before the movie came, because I loved the movie. Unfortunately I'm here reading all the bashing of Transformers so I will probably end up hating it because I'm getting brainwashed in here :woot:

[dark_b]

If this movie ends up being a colosal disappointment for fanboys then all the people involved with this picture better not show their faces at comiccon or any future transformer conventions because they will be booed for an eternity. In fact Hasbro better prepare for poor toy sales and attendance at any future Botcon conventions if this movie sucks. This investment could hurt them more then all the foolish mistakes they made with the first Transformers movie in 1986.superman returns :o

[zer00]

superman returns :o

Was an incredible film

[Lunar_Wolf]

the comparison was that both movies were thought to be Awesome but inevitably sucked ass..

Godzilla sucked ass, but we don't know if Transformers will.

[Lunar_Wolf]

If this movie ends up being a colosal disappointment for fanboys then all the people involved with this picture better not show their faces at comiccon or any future transformer conventions because they will be booed for an eternity. In fact Hasbro better prepare for poor toy sales and attendance at any future Botcon conventions if this movie sucks. This investment could hurt them more then all the foolish mistakes they made with the first Transformers movie in 1986.

Agreed. If the movie fails, peoples names will be damaged such as Spielberg's.:woot: I like Bay, but most people don't, so if this fails he will get an even more bad rep.

[ABVH]

Megatron is based on "Transformers Energon"
http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/mistransformed/images/energon_megatron_target_1.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4317/megatroncollage267du2dl2.jpg

It cool in a way that he's an alien aircraft...nice parallel...still looks 0% like any variation of Megatron but that isn't necessarily bad thing...:trans:

[Nebins]

I'm so glad I'm not a fanboy. I can just sit back an accept it for what it is....a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.

[ABVH]

I'm so glad I'm not a fanboy. I can just sit back an accept it for what it is....a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.


second that :trans:

[Dr Lee]

I third that.

[dark_b]

Was an incredible filmyour post has nothing to do with my post.

[Sawa_ska]

Originally Posted by Nebins


I'm so glad I'm not a fanboy. I can just sit back an accept it for what it is....a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.


correcto! :trans:

[blind_fury]

I'm so glad I'm not a fanboy. I can just sit back an accept it for what it is....a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.

You didn't have to be a Godzilla fan to realize GINO sucked.

Believe or not without a good story or characters, watching 2 hours of explosions gets old real quick. :whatever:

[blind_fury]

but i like the vaginas

and you??????????????

I like them in between my womens' legs, not on my favorite super villian's face.

[Nebins]

You didn't have to be a Godzilla fan to realize GINO sucked.

Believe or not without a good story or characters, watching 2 hours of explosions gets old real quick. :whatever:

That's not always true. Sometimes you want to go have fun in a movie. I saw Smokin Aces and enjoyed it. It wasn't a great movie but it was a fun movie and that was nearly 2 hours of violence and explosions. Movies don't always have to have some sort of message to be enjoyable. I think this will be a fun movie. It'll have lots of action and sometimes thats all you want from a movie. So I can honestly say that I will enjoy a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I'm not looking for a complex or amazing story when it comes to Transformers. I'm expecting a fun movie which I think will be delivered.

[Stringer]

Anyway, heres a new Blackout headshot from the toy box: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=122559

[dark_b]

I'm not looking for a complex or amazing story when it comes to Transformers. I'm expecting a fun movie which I think will be delivered.while i also want only a fun transformers movie we have to realize that everyone said the same thing about spiderman and superman. we dont know how a serious movie would look.

[blind_fury]

If Transformers is just a dumb loud movie with no engaing characters, relationships or stories it would be a wasted opportunity.

Transformers has some great characters and ideas to be explored. It doesn't deserve to get the Joel Schumacher/Uwe Boll treatment.

[blind_fury]

Predator and Alien will be watched and enjoyed decades from now.

AvP, not so much. :down

[Overman27pj]

You are acting like the old Godzilla movies are some freaking untouchable classics.

There was no real dialouge, and the action is a couple of dudes in giant suits falling around on plastic buildings.

[blind_fury]

Godzilla is an international pop culture icon. Changing him for American audiences was a really stupid idea.

Godzilla isn't high art but that doesn't mean you can change him like Mr. Potato Head AND cash in on his popularity. You either give audiences the Godzilla they fell in love with or say goodbye to the sequel or any chances for a franchise.

[CFlash]

You are acting like the old Godzilla movies are some freaking untouchable classics.

There was no real dialouge, and the action is a couple of dudes in giant suits falling around on plastic buildings.

You, my friend, have just quoted Rolland Emmerich and Dean Devlin almost verbatim (makers of G98). And, like them, you have no idea what you're talking about.
:csad:

[3 Dev Adam]

You are acting like the old Godzilla movies are some freaking untouchable classics.

There was no real dialouge, and the action is a couple of dudes in giant suits falling around on plastic buildings.

Racist.

[Mr. Credible]

I'm so glad I'm not a fanboy. I can just sit back an accept it for what it is....a movie about giant robots blowing crap up.

amen to that.

[ABVH]

Yeeeeeeeah you tell him...
There was a real dialog...just not a very good one
And the suits are not giant...they were just shown around miniatures so they look giant
and I believe the buildings were made out of other materials beside plastic
Pop Icon...so what if it is pop icon...they didn't change the original movies,
they made there own...yes it's a crap...so what...original Godzilla didn't change because of that...

When did we start comparing Godzilla remake with Transformers???
One was a remake of a movie with a Guy in a lizard suith...
And the other one is a movie based on a quoter century old cartoon series - one TV - the other Movie. It's not even the same bloody medium!
They are not remaking anything. They are starting something new...if you are a fan of a cartoon no matter how the movie turns out it won't change a single frame of the animated series...
Your Fandom will stay intact...so don't worry!

[blind_fury]

Pop Icon...so what if it is pop icon...they didn't change the original movies,
they made there own...yes it's a crap...so what...original Godzilla didn't change because of that...

If you don't get the appeal of Godzilla, DON'T ATTEMPT TO ADAPT THE MATERIAL!!!

Let someone smarter and more talented do it.

[CFlash]

If you don't get the appeal of Godzilla, DON'T ATTEMPT TO ADAPT THE MATERIAL!!!

Let someone smarter and more talented do it.


Amen to that.

[ABVH]

[Quote: blind_fury]
"If you don't get the appeal of Godzilla, DON'T ATTEMPT TO ADAPT THE MATERIAL!!!
Let someone smarter and more talented do it."

sure no complaining here...but what I'm saying is if they make a crappy movie It won't change a single thing...cartoons and comics are still there...nobody lost anything! Fans are not loosing anything they were fans about.

[blind_fury]

When did we start comparing Godzilla remake with Transformers???
One was a remake of a movie with a Guy in a lizard suith...
And the other one is a movie based on a quoter century old cartoon series - one TV - the other Movie. It's not even the same bloody medium!
They are not remaking anything. They are starting something new...if you are a fan of a cartoon no matter how the movie turns out it won't change a single frame of the animated series...
Your Fandom will stay intact...so don't worry!

Both Godzilla and Transformers are about giant creatures doing battle while humans watch helplessly.

Both are sci-fi characters that are household names and pop culture icons.

Both have a considerably large and dedicated fanbase.

Both have had Hollywood pointlessly alter what made them popualr in the first place.

The comparison is makes perfect sense.

And if you think I'm just going to give up on a genuine Transformers movie because Bay can't get his head out of ass you're nuts. I'm always going to demand these movies stay true to what made them popualr in the first place. That's my duty as a fan.

[CFlash]

[Quote: blind_fury]
"If you don't get the appeal of Godzilla, DON'T ATTEMPT TO ADAPT THE MATERIAL!!!
Let someone smarter and more talented do it."

sure no complaining here...but what I'm saying is if they make a crappy movie It won't change a single thing...cartoons and comics are still there...nobody lost anything! Fans are not loosing anything they were fans about.

We are losing something. We're losing the chance to see a proper adaptation with enough money put into it to make a larger-than-life thought-provoking classic. When it fails (like Godzilla 98) we've lost that chance for years and years to come.

If this movie fails, when do you think we'll ever see another Transformers movie?

Really, didn't Transformers deserve better than this. I think so.

[blind_fury]

sure no complaining here...but what I'm saying is if they make a crappy movie It won't change a single thing...cartoons and comics are still there...nobody lost anything! Fans are not loosing anything they were fans about.
Actually we are losing alot! Most Transformer fans have been dreaming of a TF movie every day since we were children. Because TINO is being made we may never see a genuine Transformers adaptation. Even if Paramount loses the rights most studios will see the property as used. So because Bay had his head up his butt fans will probably never see a decent TF adaptation. LOTR fans meanwhile can sleep tight knowing they've seen and own great LOTR movies. As can Harry Potter fans. But TF fans have to go on knowing a few people ruined our chance for a great adaptation for petty, selfish reasons.

It's like being a Bears fans and losing the Superbowl because Micheal Bay took a dump on the field during Halftime.

[ABVH]

You are right... LOTR is a book a good book, very good book...TF is animated show for 7 year old kids...made cheap with inconsistence trough the roof
I'm a TF fan and I like the characters but I'm not holding to some things because they are (let's not kid our selfs) retarded. TF are not dependent on the way they look but the whey they act...
And I'm very open minded when it comes to adapting them from 2d 10 blocks design in to fully operational realistic 3d characters

But If Transformers movie fails it won't be because of the way they look...They fail only if the movie doesn't connect with people
and the people they have to connect are those 30+ million fans that are not so dogmatic in there comparison of TV animated show and 150+ million movie...and not with maybe a million fans that are!
Godzilla remake failed because it was a crappy movie with bad screenplay no real energy and one long taxi scene...not because Godzilla looked different!

[Overman27pj]

Anyone who thinks this movie flops is insane.

It will make dollars. We will see more because the second one will also make dollars.

[Substance D]

You are right... LOTR is a book a good book, very good book...TF is animated show for 7 year old kids...made cheap with inconsistence trough the roof
I'm a TF fan and I like the characters but I'm not holding to some things because they are (let's not kid our selfs) retarded. TF are not dependent on the way they look but the whey they act...
And I'm very open minded when it comes to adapting them from 2d 10 blocks design in to fully operational realistic 3d characters

But If Transformers movie fails it won't be because of the way they look...They fail only if the movie doesn't connect with people
and the people they have to connect are those 30+ million fans that are not so dogmatic in there comparison of TV animated show and 150+ million movie...and not with maybe a million fans that are!
Godzilla remake failed because it was a crappy movie with bad screenplay no real energy and one long taxi scene...not because Godzilla looked different!

yeah. the old godzilla looks stupid. people only like it for nostalgia reasons or because it seems hip.

[blind_fury]

You are right... LOTR is a book a good book, very good book...TF is animated show for 7 year old kids...made cheap with inconsistence trough the roof
I'm a TF fan and I like the characters but I'm not holding to some things because they are (let's not kid our selfs) retarded. TF are not dependent on the way they look but the whey they act...
And I'm very open minded when it comes to adapting them from 2d 10 blocks design in to fully operational realistic 3d characters
Is Frodo Baggins really that much of a better character than Optimus Prime is he simply gets more respect from people simply because he came from a novel? Is Middle Earth really that conceptually superior to Cyberton? Or do we elevate material simply because it came from a book? You think Optimus Prime and Megatron are throw away characters. I think Sam and Sauron are nothing special and didn't really care about them in the movies. All I know is Pirates of the Caribbean is based on a theme park ride and it's one of the biggest and widely loved franchises of this generation. So if you can take a theme park ride seriously why not a pop culture phenomon like G1 Transformers?

[optimusbrad]

Okay,
I have never posted. I have been reading for a while now and holding my judgement. However, I can no longer hold my peace. I loved transformers as a kid and still love to look at my old figures. I could never get into beast wars because they just looked bad to me. I was excited as all hell when I heard that they were making this movie. After reading many of your posts, I must say both sides have had alot of good points. But in the end.......I must say this movie scares the hell out of me. The reason I could not watch beast wars is because they looked bad to me. These new autobots and decepticons make the beast wars robots look good. They are dreadful looking. With the exception of the police cars body and some elements of prime and bumblebee, they look horrible. 1.Ratchet's downs syndrome face, 2.chicken scream who if he had an itch, he would have to blow the limb off that troubled him because he has no hands, 3. Iron hide looks like a bison 4. and megatron is repulsive.

I still have hope that the movie can turn out alright but the fact that it is almost entirely humans and not machines, that humans kill the decepticons, and bumblebee can turn into anything but cant talk or make himself talk.......But the final thing that made me sign up and write is that crazy looking grevious thing. Soundwave or whatever his name is. He .........well I just showed my 5th grade class the pics of them on the computer overhead and the entire class thinks they all look "STUPID". I just wanted a blind test and my fears are hardened by their reactions.

In short, I think that I agree that Bay might be ruining one of my favorite childhood memories as well as insure that future generations are turned off to the TFs.

[optimusbrad]

Okay,
I have never posted. I have been reading for a while now and holding my judgement. However, I can no longer hold my peace. I loved transformers as a kid and still love to look at my old figures. I could never get into beast wars because they just looked bad to me. I was excited as all hell when I heard that they were making this movie. After reading many of your posts, I must say both sides have had alot of good points. But in the end.......I must say this movie scares the hell out of me. The reason I could not watch beast wars is because they looked bad to me. These new autobots and decepticons make the beast wars robots look good. They are dreadful looking. With the exception of the police cars body and some elements of prime and bumblebee, they look horrible. 1.Ratchet's downs syndrome face, 2.chicken scream who if he had an itch, he would have to blow the limb off that troubled him because he has no hands, 3. Iron hide looks like a bison 4. and megatron is repulsive.

I still have hope that the movie can turn out alright but the fact that it is almost entirely humans and not machines, that humans kill the decepticons, and bumblebee can turn into anything but cant talk or make himself talk.......But the final thing that made me sign up and write is that crazy looking grevious thing. Soundwave or whatever his name is. He .........well I just showed my 5th grade class the pics of them on the computer overhead and the entire class thinks they all look "STUPID". I just wanted a blind test and my fears are hardened by their reactions.

In short, I think that I agree that Bay might be ruining one of my favorite childhood memories as well as insure that future generations are turned off to the TFs.

[ABVH]

Is Frodo Baggins really that much of a better character than Optimus Prime is he simply gets more respect from people simply because he came from a novel? Is Middle Earth really that conceptually superior to Cyberton? Or do we elevate material simply because it came from a book? You think Optimus Prime and Megatron are throw away characters. I think Sam and Sauron are nothing special and didn't really care about them in the movies. All I know is Pirates of the Caribbean is based on a theme park ride and it's one of the biggest and widely loved franchises of this generation. So if you can take a theme park ride seriously why not a pop culture phenomon like G1 Transformers?


Thats what I'm talking about...POTC made it because they didn't made the movie like it's a theme park ride...they took a simple concept and expend it to there needs...

And yes...people more respect novels then kid's TV shows...
When they decided to adapt a animated kids series the approach is going to be hell of a lot different and relaxed then when approaching adaptation of landmark in literature.

[Nebins]

Is Frodo Baggins really that much of a better character than Optimus Prime is he simply gets more respect from people simply because he came from a novel? Is Middle Earth really that conceptually superior to Cyberton? Or do we elevate material simply because it came from a book? You think Optimus Prime and Megatron are throw away characters. I think Sam and Sauron are nothing special and didn't really care about them in the movies. All I know is Pirates of the Caribbean is based on a theme park ride and it's one of the biggest and widely loved franchises of this generation. So if you can take a theme park ride seriously why not a pop culture phenomon like G1 Transformers?

So is G1 Transformers the only one that matters? Are all other versions of the Transformers as bad as you think this movie will be? Why can't it be accepted that this will be a new generation of Transformers like Beast Wars was? New medium, new generation. Makes sense to me.

[blind_fury]

But If Transformers movie fails it won't be because of the way they look...They fail only if the movie doesn't connect with people
and the people they have to connect are those 30+ million fans that are not so dogmatic in there comparison of TV animated show and 150+ million movie...and not with maybe a million fans that are!
Godzilla remake failed because it was a crappy movie with bad screenplay no real energy and one long taxi scene...not because Godzilla looked different!
People wanted to see the Godzilla they remember with updated state of the art SFX. That was the apeal of American made Godzilla movie. But when people got to the theatre Godzilla was missing in action. It's like "why am I here? There's no Godzilla and the movie's called Godzilla. I feel like a sucker."

Not just hardcore fans know what Optimus Prime looks like. A large segment of the movie going public knows what he looks like. They'll walk in see 30 foot truck chested Furby and ask themselves, "ok, where's the Optimus freaking Prime? I thought this was the Transformers?" "Waitaminute why does Megatron look like a bug where's his arm cannon?" And anyone who watched cartoons in the 80's is going to ask alot more questions. Ultimately no amount of juicy dialogue between Megan Fox and Tyrese is going to get people to forget that they're watching something other than Transformers. That this movie has zero nostalgia and zero Transformers. There not idiots. They went to see Transformers not because Micheal Bay directed a sci-fi movie. They came to see world renowned Optimus Prime battle Megatron. Not bionicle Furby versus some mangled-what-the-hell-is-that.

Hollywood is making Transformers because they're popular. But then they change 85% of what made it popular. Dum-dum-dum-dum dummmm..

[Nebins]

People wanted to see the Godzilla they remember with updated state of the art SFX. That was the apeal of American made Godzilla movie. But when people got to the theatre Godzilla was missing in action. It's like "why am I hese? There's no Godzilla and the movie's called Godzilla. I feel like a sucker."



Godzilla is a giant dinosaur lizard creature and thats exactly what we got in the movie. I don't know what else you would have wanted to see. Sure the plot could have been better but I don't know what else would have made the creature design better. Certainly not a guy in a suit walking around on a miniature set with SFX to enhance it.

[Tad Fatherton]

People wanted to see the Godzilla they remember with updated state of the art SFX. That was the apeal of American made Godzilla movie. But when people got to the theatre Godzilla was missing in action. It's like "why am I here? There's no Godzilla and the movie's called Godzilla. I feel like a sucker."

Not just hardcore fans know what Optimus Prime looks like. A large segment of the movie going public knows what he looks like. They'll walk in see 30 foot truck chested Furby and ask themselves, "ok, where's the Optimus freaking Prime? I thought this was the Transformers?" "Waitaminute why does Megatron look like a bug where's his arm cannon?" And anyone who watched cartoons in the 80's is going to ask alot more questions. Ultimately no amount of juicy dialogue between Megan Fox and Tyrese is going to get people to forget that they're watching something other than Transformers. That this movie has zero nostalgia and zero Transformers. There not idiots. They went to see Transformers not because Micheal Bay directed a sci-fi movie. They came to see world renowned Optimus Prime battle Megatron. Not bionicle Furby versus some mangled-what-the-hell-is-that.

Hollywood is making Transformers because they're popular. But then they change 85% of what made it popular. Dum-dum-dum-dum dummmm..
do explain this whole furby comparison to everyone won't you

[optimusbrad]

I have never written a preply in here but I finally feel like making my voice heard. I grew up loving TFs and I still like to play with my old toys. I never got into beast wars because I thought they just looked silly. After many months of reading posts in here, I felt like both sides had some valid points but now I find myself ........... totaly afraid for the movie.

I am hoping that the movie will be good if not great but now I have serious reservations. Here are some of my reasons. With the exception of some elements of optimus, bumblebee, and the police car (except his head) the designs are really terrible. There is a huge difference in changing an original concept and destroying it. Take the texas chainsaw massacre. The storyline was changed and so were the characters, yet in 2003, a truly terrifying and great movie was made. However, leatherface still has human skin as his mask, not a beany and a clown nose. We connected with the character, if that is possible with a serial killer. 1. Ratchet looks like he has downs syndrome. 2. waspscream would have to blow off his head if his nose itched because he has guns for hands, guns that touch the floor. 3. Ironhide looks like a bison. 4. Megatron (oh poor megatron) looks like, hell i dont know what he looks like. 5. Jazz is the autobot's MINI ME 6. and the thing that forced me to write was that thing that is supposed to be soundwave or whatever. He is absolutely dreadful.
I am a 5th grade teacher and today I told all my blocks, 1st 2nd and 3rd, that they were to write what they thought of the designs. None of them are familiar with transformers. (I teach at an all African American School) and they arent exposed to TFs. I got replies like funny, wierd, and the reply that occurred the most was STUPID. So yes, i fear for the movie and i also fear for the franchise. If this bombs, what kind of following will it inspire? Connections to fans matters, but so does a movie being terrible and no one liking it period. I hope it turns out alright, but at this point, I seriously doubt it.

[blind_fury]

So is G1 Transformers the only one that matters? Are all other versions of the Transformers as bad as you think this movie will be? Why can't it be accepted that this will be a new generation of Transformers like Beast Wars was? New medium, new generation. Makes sense to me.

G1 is why Transformers are popular household names.

Why didn't Peter Jackson take the "new medium, new generation" approach? Didnt LOTR come from books written in the 1940's?

oh that's right, because he somewhat respects the fans and the source material. Any director who doesn't should adapt something where they do respect the fans and source material. If I hate Harry Potter book characters and think the fans are clueless I probably shouldn't adapt Harry Potter, huh?

obviously.

[blind_fury]

Godzilla is a giant dinosaur lizard creature and thats exactly what we got in the movie. I don't know what else you would have wanted to see. Sure the plot could have been better but I don't know what else would have made the creature design better. Certainly not a guy in a suit walking around on a miniature set with SFX to enhance it.
wow. So Godzilla doesn't have a signiture walk, scream, or appearance. I can replace him with any giant lizard and it doesn't matter?

Then why call the movie Godzilla?

[ABVH]

Maybe because Middle earth is defined as a world of it's own with tech level of Earth's dark age...and the story is clearly defind...And they adapted the BOOK...while Bay and Spielberg are adapting from TF source and that is:

Transformers - the line of shape-changing robot toys for kids...

You have Robots transforming in to other things...that is the source...
TV show and comics came from that source, so is the movie...everything was adapted from accumulation of the previous adaptations and then added something new...