Does Size Really Matter?

[THWIP*]

IF IT DOES, SONY MIGHT NOT DO AS WELL IN JAPAN AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST (http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=2006081195220737049&releaseId=20060314115917309058).



YOU MAY HAVE READ A FEW OF THE STORIES FROM PAST YEARS, CONCERNING THE VARIOUS REASONS WHY 'XBOX'/MS FAILED IN JAPAN. ONE OF THE MORE PRACTICAL REASONS, WAS THAT IT WAS SIMPLY TOO BIG, AND IT'S ODD SHAPE MADE IT A BAD FIT FOR THE TYPICAL ECONOMY-SIZED JAPANESE DWELLINGS. FAST-FORWARD 5 YEARS, AND IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MS AND SONY HAVE SWAPPED ROLES IN THE "BIGGER IS BETTER" DEPARTMENT. WHILE NOT ALOT BIGGER (SOME PICS GIVE AN OPTICAL ILLUSION OF A HUGE SIZE DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE), THE 'PS3' IS DEFINITELY A BIT MORE ON THE CLUNKY SIDE, COMPARED TO THE '360' (ESPECIALLY IF THE RUMORS OF A YET-TO-BE-SEEN EXTERNAL POWER SUPPLY, FOR THE 'PS3', ARE TRUE).
COUPLE THAT WITH THE ODD SHAPE, WHICH DEFINITELY RULES OUT ANY SPACING-SAVING STACKING OF OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES, AND YOU HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PRODUCT THAT ISN'T "JAPAN-FRIENDLY".....AT LEAST BASED ON THE "XBOX EXPERIENCE". EITHER THAT........OR THE JAPANESE ARE JUST TOO ASHAMED TO COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY "WE HATE 'MS', AND WE REFUSE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCTS". :o

[Trigger]

I always assumed the lack of JRPGS and a fanbase was the cause of Microsoft's "failure" in Japan?

[Franklin Richards]

It's not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean.


But it sure takes a hell of a long time to get to England in a rowboat.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Avalanche]

It's what you do with it that counts!

[THWIP*]

I always assumed the lack of JRPGS and a fanbase was the cause of Microsoft's "failure" in Japan?



WELL, LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE "VARIOUS REASONS" FOR THEIR FAILURE. BUT, THE SIZE AND SHAPE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN MANY INTERVIEWS/STORIES OVER THE YEARS, AS A REASON WHY ALOT OF JAPANESE DIDN'T EVEN SHOW AN INTEREST IN THE XBOX........REGARDLESS OF THE GAMES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PICS, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE '360' AND 'PS3' ARE BOTH CONSIDERABLY BIGGER THAN THE OLD PS2. THE "SLIM" PS2 SOLD LIKE HOTCAKES IN JAPAN, AS DO THE PSP/DS. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO THE SIZE FACTOR........WHICH COULD BE ANOTHER FEATHER IN NINTENDO'S CAP, WITH THE 'WII'.

[Trigger]

True, I think even us Americans can admit that a small system is always a plus.

[GoldenAgeHero]

ps3 really looks like BBQ grill.

[블라스]

Japan sure has some hot girls, though.

[Mentok]

True Blas, very true :up:

I remember alot of PS2 fans complaining about Xboxs size and saying that would be a huge hurdle for japanese consumers... I wonder if they still believe that.

[Topdawg]

Thats a wooden replica.
and who cares about the size?

[Mentok]

Thats a wooden replica.
and who cares about the size?

Yes, its wood. Its also to scale and it was built by SONY.

Almost everyone cares about size... especially the Japanese. Just look at all the fuss when the Xbox came out, all people did was ***** about how big it was. You think that magically people wont care now because its SONY making the huge ugly consoles?

[Avalanche]

Sony will face much less trouble over the size of their console. It was a problem to Microsoft because they weren't Japanese, and they were a new entrant to the market. It was more important for them to fit in with the 'small' Japanese culture than it ever will be for Sony.

[THWIP*]

Thats a wooden replica.
and who cares about the size?


YES, WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT, YOU JACKASS.........IT'S STATES AS MUCH IN THE ARTICLE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HOW YOU KNEW THAT. FOR THE RECORD......."REPLICA" MEANS "EXACT COPY". :o

[Brainiac 8]

And the only thing that the Japanese like big is the women like big American.....I'll not finish that sentence.:eek: :O

[THWIP*]

And the only thing that the Japanese like big is the women like big American.....I'll not finish that sentence.:eek: :O



ASSES?


http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6405/241imagezi7.jpg

[Mentok]

Thats a wooden replica.


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k8/mentokmentok/iriverad_6.jpg


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k8/mentokmentok/cat28wf.jpg


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k8/mentokmentok/1155895335312.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k8/mentokmentok/356426128_m.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

ASSES?


http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6405/241imagezi7.jpg

No, what I had in mind was more of a "Rooster" if you catch my drift?:O


And man is that picture so the way it is here. Stupid huge americans.:(

[Avalanche]

There are a lot of fat people in Europe too. Just not as many as in America, and they're generally not quite as fat. Overweight rather than morbidly obese.

[Topdawg]

YES, WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT, YOU JACKASS.........IT'S STATES AS MUCH IN THE ARTICLE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HOW YOU KNEW THAT. FOR THE RECORD......."REPLICA" MEANS "EXACT COPY". :o

I meant it was gonna look better and more shiny.:down
there is no need to call me jackass.

[Brainiac 8]

http://www.astro.washington.edu/reed/info/donkey.jpg

[THWIP*]

I meant it was gonna look better and more shiny.:down
there is no need to call me jackass.



IF THE SHOE FITS.....

[Topdawg]

IF THE SHOE FITS.....

the shoe doesnt fit,so shut up.

[THWIP*]

the shoe doesnt fit,so shut up.


WHATEVER, CINDERELLA. :o

[Avalanche]

^

The two posts above are officially my bestest, most favourite SHH! posts of the week. Keep it up guys.

[Brainiac 8]

http://www.igniq.com/images/ken_kutaragi___050805.jpg


"C'mon guys don't fight over me."
"THWIP, why do you hate me so?"

[Mentok]

I meant it was gonna look better and more shiny.:down
there is no need to call me jackass.

Its going to look exactly the same.

[Danalys]

well the original x-box didn't have a standing on it's side option which would have illiminated the space conserns. the new one has a massive external power supply which the japanese wont like one bit. add that to the game taste situation and they really don't have much chance. microsoft don't get the japanese market one bit.

[THWIP*]

well the original x-box didn't have a standing on it's side option which would have illiminated the space conserns. the new one has a massive external power supply which the japanese wont like one bit. add that to the game taste situation and they really don't have much chance. microsoft don't get the japanese market one bit.


IT'S STILL RUMORED THAT THE 'PS3' HAS AN EXTERNAL POWER SUPPLY AS WELL. :o


BUT YES........'MS' HAS ZERO CHANCE IN JAPAN........THAT'S REALLY NOT THE ISSUE HERE. MY POINT IS, THERE MAY BE A DOUBLE-STANDARD, WHERE 'SONY' CAN DO NO WRONG, IN THE COLLECTIVE EYES OF JAPAN.........BUT WE'LL KNOW SOON ENOUGH. ;)

[Danalys]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

[Danalys]

It's not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean.


But it sure takes a hell of a long time to get to England in a rowboat.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

if you started in florida you could use the north atlantic drift. probably unwise to attempt such. i'd cross the bearing straights and then walk to france then cross the channel.

[THWIP*]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.


YOU JUST SAID A WHOLE LOTTA NOTHIN'. :confused:

[Danalys]

that's because you don't understand the benefits of style.

[THWIP*]

that's because you don't understand the benefits of style.


I SUPPOSE NOT.......JUST LIKE I DON'T SEE THE "POTENTIAL" BEHIND WASTING $600 ON AN GLORIFIED GAMING CONSOLE. :o

[Danalys]

would you spend 600 on a computer?

[THWIP*]

would you spend 600 on a computer?



DON'T EVEN GO THERE.......THE 'PS3' IS NOT A COMPUTER.....AND NEVER WILL BE. IF YOU FELL FOR THAT S**T, YOU NEED YOUR ASS KICKED BETWEEN YOUR EARS. :dry:

[Addendum]

UsedComputer.Com has a HPQ Athlon 64 3400+ 2.4 GHz 200 GB 1 GB DVDRW CPU Only for $600 (http://www.usedcomputer.com/classifieds/CPViewItem.asp?ID=134496) :D

So it does look like people are willing to spend $600 on a computer. It just has to be used

[Brainiac 8]

would you spend 600 on a computer?



Well, I guess I now know of one person who bought the PS3 is a computer, not a console bullarchy.:o :down

[Mentok]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

SONY STYLE is a sperate entity to SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT. SONY STYLE is a LIFESTYLE sub brand.

[Danalys]

the philosphy that the life style brand is named after permiates the whole company tho.

the ps3 is as much of a computer as the amiga and atari st were in their day. it's got a linux kernal and an open programming philosophy. the games boot much as they did on those computers aswell. easy and seperate from the main computer os.

[Brainiac 8]

the philosphy that the life style brand is named after permiates the whole company tho.

the ps3 is as much of a computer as the amiga and atari st were in their day. it's got a linux kernal and an open programming philosophy. the games boot much as they did on those computers aswell. easy and seperate from the main computer os.


Sorry, it was just a way to try and avoid the higher taxes of consoles.:down :rolleyes:

They tried it with the PS2 also.:o

[Zenien]

IF IT DOES, SONY MIGHT NOT DO AS WELL IN JAPAN AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST (http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=2006081195220737049&releaseId=20060314115917309058).

Snip

THe reason the Xbox didn't do well has much more to do with the games. THere's so much more to the console then just size, the PS3 still selling well even with a big size means nothing in regards to the Xbox brand, since there are so many other things to consider.

[Extromaniac]

THe reason the Xbox didn't do well has much more to do with the games. THere's so much more to the console then just size, the PS3 still selling well even with a big size means nothing in regards to the Xbox brand, since there are so many other things to consider.

Like how Japan just hates 'MS' but are too chicken**** to come out and admit that's their only reason for not getting into anything 'MS' puts out?

Right.

[Zenien]

I disagree. http://media.teamxbox.com/forum/smilies/lol.gif

[Extromaniac]

I disagree. http://media.teamxbox.com/forum/smilies/lol.gif

Obviously, because you love Japan in general. And as we all know, Japan's logic percentage is at an all-time low. Zero. Nothing. Nada.

[THWIP*]

*EDIT* THIS PLACE IS GOING TO S**T AGAIN, WITH 5-10 MINUTE WAITS BETWEEN POSTS. :cmad:

[THWIP*]

*EDIT* TRIPLE POST, B**CHES! :marv:

[THWIP*]

THe reason the Xbox didn't do well has much more to do with the games. THere's so much more to the console then just size, the PS3 still selling well even with a big size means nothing in regards to the Xbox brand, since there are so many other things to consider.


INTERESTING.........BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU'D NEED TO ACTUALLY OWN THE CONSOLE, TO MAKE A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF IT'S GAMES. I GUESS THE JAPANESE PUT MORE FAITH IN THEIR SONY-BIASED MAGAZINES THAN THEY DO THEIR OWN BRAINS. :rolleyes:

[Mentok]

TRIPLE POST MULTI SCORE :up:

[Manny Calavera]

Drive that point home THWIP :o

[THWIP*]

Drive that point home THWIP :o


I WILL.......I'LL DRIVE IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS. :cmad:


:o

[Mentok]

And we are back to anal sex... God I love this place :(

[THWIP*]

And we are back to anal sex... God I love this place :(


LOOK AT MY THREAD TITLE.........WAS THERE REALLY EVER ANY DOUBT IT WOULD BE LIKE THIS ? :confused: :O

[Manny Calavera]

Clint was just talking about sticking things into my butt on AIM a few minutes earlier. This place is getting more and more creepy :(

[Mentok]

LOOK AT MY THREAD TITLE.........WAS THERE REALLY EVER ANY DOUBT IT WOULD BE LIKE THIS ? :confused: :O

Hehehehehe... Good point.

[Danalys]

Sorry, it was just a way to try and avoid the higher taxes of consoles.:down :rolleyes:

They tried it with the PS2 also.:o

you should be sorry. being incorrect is definitely something you should be sorry for.

sony's stratergy is to apeal to both techies and average people. the average will pay over the odds in the main giving the techies something on the cheap that would normally cost more. in return the techies create programs that anyone can use if they wish. everyones happy. in spreading linux with a decent frontend they will reeducate millions to a new standard. suddenly microsofts programs aren't the defacto standard that they were. there is true competion is computing and customers win in that case. computers aren't accelerating ahead just to play the next game anymore, so people only have to upgade for actual computer usage. every one wins.

[THWIP*]

you should be sorry. being incorrect is definitely something you should be sorry for.

sony's stratergy is to apeal to both techies and average people. the average will pay over the odds in the main giving the techies something on the cheap that would normally cost more. in return the techies create programs that anyone can use if they wish. everyones happy. in spreading linux with a decent frontend they will reeducate millions to a new standard. suddenly microsofts programs aren't the defacto standard that they were. there is true competion is computing and customers win in that case. computers aren't accelerating ahead just to play the next game anymore, so people only have to upgade for actual computer usage. every one wins.




ROTFLMFAO........YOU REALLY SHOULD GET A JOB WITH SONY. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/24.gif

[Brainiac 8]

ROTFLMFAO........YOU REALLY SHOULD GET A JOB WITH SONY. http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/24.gif


But Thwip, then he'll get brainwashed....oh wait.:confused: :eek:

[Danalys]

can't argue against my points. :)

[THWIP*]

can't argue against my points. :)


LOL........NO, I WOULDN'T BOTHER ARGUING AGAINST YOUR POINTS.......YOU'RE ATE UP WITH THE DUMBASSES AS BAD AS 'ZENIEN'. :(

[Danalys]

yeah i wouldn't bother arguing with someone who would win easily either. i've never come across that circumstance tho.

[Manny Calavera]

Given your inability to spell "though", your inability to write posts in such a way that people can actually understand them, and your general hate of facts and things that are right, I really doubt that.

[Danalys]

ever thought it was your reading skills that were faulty, or that you should ask what someone ment in a way that would actually reveal their meaning. you know, rather than just remain ignorant. i love facts when then are used logically. i hate disingenious use of them; something you do often. or you just lie. you're generally just not very good at much. other than nitpicking spelling.

also though, ever heard of short hand.

[Brainiac 8]

It's not just your spelling, but your grammer, and how you relay your messages.

Most of what you have posted does not make any sort of sense at all.
Especially your bull about the PS3 being a computer, you used words to try and make yourself seem smart, but all it did was show that you just defend regardless of facts presented, and you'll say whatever to make it seem like you know what your talking about.:rolleyes: :down

[Manny Calavera]

ever thought it was your reading skills that were faulty, or that you should ask what someone ment in a way that would actually reveal their meaning. you know, rather than just remain ignorant. i love facts when then are used logically. i hate disingenious use of them; something you do often. or you just lie. you're generally just not very good at much. other than nitpicking spelling.
My reading skills?
pay over the odds in the main
Nope, the thought never really crossed my mind after reading that, sorry.

The rest of your post was good though, very factual and stuff. Yes, I am totally "lying" and all about "disingenious use of facts" and all that. Couldn't just be that the facts usually disagree with you and the rest of the sony stooges, causing you to just refuse to acknowledge them, oh no, that's impossible.

As for linux overtaking Windows because of the PS3 - Ha! Before I go any further, it's important that you note that you're talking to a HUGE Linux fanboy. I have Ubuntu 6.06 on my harddrive right now, and even participated in it's development stages within the community. And trust me, if Ubuntu doesn't crack the Windows monopoly, nothing will, especially not some crappy little PS3 frontend that will see support from virtually no one in the open source community. Debian and Ubuntu guys would never touch it, the package lists are too fragmented between various architectures as it is, the Gentoo guys wouldn't be seen dead using a console for a computer, Red Hat and Novell (SUSe) won't bother because it's not in their target market, Lindows is barely a linux distro at all, etc etc. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if entire desktop systems forsake the PS3. Don't expect to see GNOME or KDE running flawlessly on your ps3 anytime soon, and certainly not with any compiz or xgl support. So yeah, your logic of "I want PS3's support of linux to mean something, so I'll make some stuff up and then believe it" fails :down

[Axid]

lol..."ment"

[Avalanche]

Oh come on guys. I'm not a fan of text talk either. It strikes me as lazy when it really doesn't take much effort to write properly, but there's no need to jump down on someone for it. We all have our different ways.

[Danalys]

"pay over the odds in the main" means they take the brunt of the cost.

see you could have asked but you didn't. that'll be why you keep on believing you're right when your not. you don't ask the right questions of the right people.

about the spread of linux as a viable theory. it's not the current generation this is about. it's about the next generation. it's about getting them intrested and used to a particular OS. much like microsoft did with windows. the homebrew scene for the PSP is massive. linux makes things even easier. software is portable to wildly different systems if people want to. no other linux distribution will be in as many homes as the PS3s version will be. it'd illiminate the need for dual booting, which messes up your multitasking really.

companies have long term stratagies and short term tactics. you seem to think they would use the same tactic repeatedly. people don't get to the top doing that.

[Danalys]

Oh come on guys. I'm not a fan of text talk either. It strikes me as lazy when it really doesn't take much effort to write properly, but there's no need to jump down on someone for it. We all have our different ways.

i actually find it difficult because i think far faster than any one could ever type. i also think audibly first. which makes me very good in real life conversations. i could recheck after but that is reptative and would train me to be a pedantic bore, stuck in one way of doing things.

[Manny Calavera]

A couple of points.
One, going back into the context of your original post, with your newly supplied meaning, you said "the average consumer will bear the brunt of the huge cost of the PS3". Quite a selling point. As for why I don't ask for an explanation of your crazy moonman gibberish, it's because, as you've just shown, I'd get an explanation....in crazy moonman gibberish. So it's kind of almost useless, you see?

Anyways, as per usual, you were wrong about virtually everything you wrote about. No, it's not about "the next generation", that's retarded. It's about "the next generation" when you aren't number one, or you're entering a new market, and you're trying to establish yourself as a viable competitor to boost your numbers next time. If you're already number one, it's about the here and now, about not falling off from that spot, something Sony has been doing a poor job of so far. As for getting people "interested" and "used to a particuliar OS"...how? Nothing useful for Linux will ever make it to the PS3! Nothing. Before we go any further, it is important that you understand that. Take as much time as you need, read it over as many times as needed, until you grasp that fact. Nothing useful from the linux community will ever make it over to the ps3. It will not happen. So no, it's not going to get people "used to" a particuliar OS, because you aren't going to be able to use the OS. Without GNOME/KDE/xfcl/some other desktop system, Linux is just a command line that you can't really do much with besides host some files on a network. Wow, real interesting, I can't wait to see how many people get "used to" Linux by hosting files on their network with their game console. Are you ****ing serious? :rolleyes:

[Axid]

the homebrew scene for the PSP is massive. linux makes things even easier.

That's because all the software sucks :confused::down

[Danalys]

so you're assuming no frontend then. what an assumption to make. you presume them not smart enough to do that. no wonder you think they are stupid. circular arguement tho.

compilers have been worked on for a while already. with those in place some functionality will come. there are always the people who like a challenge aswell. who no matter how difficult, will get something working. with the OS and harddisk as standard the flood gate are open. people have always taken the opertunities before. turning x-boxes into media centers for example. they'll take the opertunity again. there is no reason why they wouldn't

sony aren't number one in computing. this is a strategy for entering a new market and iliminating a competitor. but it wont work if the competitor is good enough. this is were competition comes into play. both companies eventually give the consumer base more options. this is why buying an x-box was smart.

average joes pay over the odds for everything because they lack patience. every one i know has a 200 pound cell phone. people like style status symbols. they try to be first to get them. these things aren't going to change any time soon. then parents will be swayed with educational programs. much like the ds is doing.

[Danalys]

That's because all the software sucks :confused::down

people like to have their favorite programs in a portable package. some coders do things for themself in their own free time and then might aswell let other people use it.

there's also the "can it be done" factor.

[Manny Calavera]

so you're assuming no frontend then. what an assumption to make. you presume them not smart enough to do that. no wonder you think they are stupid. circular arguement tho.
No, I'm not assuming anything, I know that the PS3 won't be getting any linux support from the community. I participate in that community fairly regularly, and I've seen some very high up people in that community, head developers on teams that put out things like firefox, gaim, open office, ubuntu, gimp, stuff the open source community depends on, saying "no, we aren't bothering with PS3 support". Will it have a desktop system? Yes. Will it be any good, or anywhere close to what GNOME or KDE could give you? Absolutely not. Will it have any software? Absolutely not. Are you totally wrong, again? Absolutely.


compilers have been worked on for a while already. with those in place some functionality will come. there are always the people who like a challenge aswell. who no matter how difficult, will get something working. with the OS and harddisk as standard the flood gate are open. people have always taken the opertunities before. turning x-boxes into media centers for example. they'll take the opertunity again. there is no reason why they wouldn't
Wow, they have a compiler, something that anything that executes any kind of code needs, wow, I can see I was wrong. You *really* don't have a clue about any of this stuff, do you?



sony aren't number one in computing. this is a strategy for entering a new market and iliminating a competitor. but it wont work if the competitor is good enough. this is were competition comes into play. both companies eventually give the consumer base more options. this is why buying an x-box was smart.
iliminating? I don't even know if I should bother anymore. No, they aren't "entering a new market", the entire point of Microsoft entering the console market was that what Sony was doing was actually moving towards a product that would obsolete PC a lot of Microsoft's core business and essentially lock them out of the living room, Sony moving into the OS market would be really dumb and a HUGE step back for them. It's not happening. I'm sorry that this fantasy you made up to help support your wild fanboy notions that Sony is the white knight in shining armor come to help all consumers is wrong, but yeah, it's wrong.



average joes pay over the odds for everything because they lack patience. every one i know has a 200 pound cell phone. people like style status symbols. they try to be first to get them. these things aren't going to change any time soon. then parents will be swayed with educational programs. much like the ds is doing.
Worst argument ever. 'People will pay out the ass for a game console, because they pay for things that are a status symbol'. I'm sorry if your universe really is this small and sad, but the game console you own really doesn't matter to most people. Carrying a PS3 controller isn't the same as wearing Gucci and driving a $500,000 car. It boggles the mind that you would even suggest that.

[Danalys]

part of sony's initial push was in making games far more stylish to certain people. those with disposible incomes. also the kind of people with brand loyalty. it's a brilliant tactic. why do you think fan boys are always on about "my console or computers better than yours." it's a status symbol to alot of people. plain and simple.

your not working with the people who will make the difference. your working with people that are going to be left behind. that if what you say is even true.

source code would just have to be recompiled. later optimisations for speed would help. but that's for later versions of the software to be compiled. translate the compilers from PC to PS3 and at least you get something up and running in most cases.

[Manny Calavera]

The entire linux community will be left behind? Mark Shuttleworth, Sun Microsystems, ****ing Google guys will be "left behind"? Hahahaha, wow. THIWP was right, most of your posts could double as an application for a PR job within sony. No, games aren't a "status symbol" to anyone who has any social status to begin with. If you ever walked into a club, or hell, most schools, a grocery store, anywhere, and said "hey you, ladies....I have a ....PS3", there'd be a lot more laughing than swooning and general amazement. But hey, if you want to pretend that Sony is somehow going to take their console from 'thing that plays games' to "status symbol", be my guest, wouldn't be the first time you decided to believe something amazingly stupid. And no, there is a lot more to it than just recompiling source code. Once again, "you really don't know anything about this stuff, do you?"

[Danalys]

not all status symbols are about getting ladies. in correct assumption again. a linux kernal is a virtual machine to some extent. so there is alot to it, but much of it can be automated. software designed with portability in mind helps as well. software has been moving towards that. it is the current trend in programming. because it costs them less in the long run. see while you're watching what the current way is. i'm recognising the future trends. they start in the universities a few decades before they become popular. it's all about populising these things at the right time; when the masses are ready for them. that's how you control both the living room and home office.

sun micro systems and google don't matter. there's already a browser for google to do what it's already doing. sun will continue with the server market as normal. sony doesn't effect them so they don't mind.

[Axid]

Every one i know has a 200 pound cell phone.
I feel sorry for anyone who has to haul that around all day. :dry:

[Manny Calavera]

A linux kernel is a virtual machine? I can't say "wow" enough. I give up, live in your delusions :rolleyes:

[Danalys]

would you not call something that takes standard language and then fits them to a certain hardware a virtual machine. it's a portable OS anyway. then anything can work at an abstract layer above that. perhaps i'm not using the correct terms but i do have an understanding of the overall philosophy.

it's like how basic was used. you could program in basic on anything. it's just run at different speeds because of the hardware differences.

or you can think of the kernal as a protective layer to restrict access to full functionality that could be damaging in the wrong hands.

[Axid]

I wish to learn the ancient arts based on the philosophy circled around the great Linux Maggiti

[Danalys]

edit double post: my internet is a bit messed up right now.

[Danalys]

it flows from the mathematic *ping*

but seriously you have heard the term programming philosophy before right. Object orientated design would be one for example.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Personally i think that Sony should stop making consoles for a whole and deal with what they have.I think the PS2 can be around for 10 years easily,back in the 1990`s there was consoles and just games.No news about new consoles,just new games.Is this new trend of a new console every 3-5 years going to be how games work now?

[Danalys]

they've normally had over lapping 10 year life cycles. once the new model is released the old one is shrunk. once the new one is shrunk the old one goes out of production. perhaps with some of those stages reversed. after all the slimline PS2 came out before the PS3. more kids games are released towards the end of the cycle it seems. nothings stopping anyone from playing PS2 but the innovators are moving on. they've taught other teams a few things and left.

[hippy fascist]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

that's because you don't understand the benefits of style.

Clearly you don't understand the benefits of a high school education...













random bump, but it was just too tempting... :o

[Mentok]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/davsin50/1202803733510.png

[Danalys]

actually nice bump because looking at the views in this thread with hind sight is brilliant for me.

[hippy fascist]

because everything you predicted was wrong?

sony style :o

[Danalys]

well here i am with all the linux programs manny said would never be on the PS3 on my PS3. guess his inside information was bollocks like i said it was. i guess the rumours about external power supply for the PS3, turned out to be unreliable like i said it would be. and i guess sony's product is more desirable that the 360 in europe, where there's no reasons of nationality to prefer it.

[hippy fascist]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

well here i am with all the linux programs manny said would never be on the PS3 on my PS3. guess his inside information was bollocks like i said it was. i guess the rumours about external power supply for the PS3, turned out to be unreliable like i said it would be. and i guess sony's product is more desirable that the 360 in europe, where there's no reasons of nationality to prefer it.

It's more desirable in europe after a SERIOUS price cut

You're central argument had nothing to do with europe though.

You were saying that style is important to people and that they'd pay over the odds for something as "stylish" as the ps3.

The ps3 is pretty widely considered to be a fugly george forman grill lookalike.

It took TWO major price cuts to get it moving off shelves

You said the technology would push the system but blu-ray's pathetic attach rate would beg to differ.

You talked of the Japanese market and yet how many ps3 have been sold so far in japan...?

:huh:

[Danalys]

what important is that it still sold at $600. oh and find where i mentioned japan it's slipped my mind or doesn't exist.

[hippy fascist]

well the original x-box didn't have a standing on it's side option which would have illiminated the space conserns. the new one has a massive external power supply which the japanese wont like one bit. add that to the game taste situation and they really don't have much chance. microsoft don't get the japanese market one bit.

Concerning it "selling" at $600

You consider selling less than the GBA for 8 straight months a good thing :huh:

Your argument was that style would compensate for price. But it didn't. A few hardcore tech nerds bought them (i.e. people who know nothing about style).

SCE have had to drop the price twice in 6 months and produce FOUR s.k.u.s just to stay afloat. Why?

Because people considered price and software to be the main issues in buying a console, not specs and style. Try again

[Mentok]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

Did you really say this?

I mean... Come on. Really?

[Danalys]

so as you can see things i said about japanese taste were in regard to the 360 and it's problems.

good for $600. i never said style would compesate for price just that it was more stylish and thus would sell more in japan overall. now it's more stylish in my opinion and at a decent price and is doing fine. also cost reduction was greater than price drops so there was no reason for them not to drop the price.

the PS3 still costs more than the 360. part of the reason could be that they can charge more because it's more desirable in features and styling.

[hippy fascist]

check the second page of the thread, about halfway down :up:

[hippy fascist]

so as you can see things i said about japanese taste were in regard to the 360 and it's problems.

good for $600. i never said style would compesate for price just that it was more stylish and thus would sell more in japan overall. now it's more stylish in my opinion and at a decent price and is doing fine. also cost reduction was greater than price drops so there was no reason for them not to drop the price.

They've only just started breaking even on the ps3

4 months after the price drops

They also had to sell off a major division of the group just to fund said price-drops

Seriously, normally I'd pursue this but **** man, when you make yourself look this stupid what's the point in me even being here :huh:

[Danalys]

actually you're wrong they aren't breaking even on ps3 yet. the gaming division however is now profitable. you probably got the two confused. part of most consoles life cycle is selling at a loss at first. they just happened to have greater loses back when it was $600 than they do now which is what i was saying.

[hippy fascist]

now

to repeat myself

(which I REALLY hate doing)

4 MONTHS AFTER THE PRICE CUTS YOU SAID WERE ENABLED BY COST CUTTING

In other words they've only managed to cut costs because they took a massive hit on profits in order to basically give the console away in order to get it into people's homes, thus enabling them to increase production and therefore cut costs

doesn't sound very desirable to me...

and they had to sell off the entire cell division just to make the gaming division look profitable. Try again.

[Mentok]

sony's stratergy is to apeal to both techies and average people. the average will pay over the odds in the main giving the techies something on the cheap that would normally cost more. in return the techies create programs that anyone can use if they wish. everyones happy. in spreading linux with a decent frontend they will reeducate millions to a new standard. suddenly microsofts programs aren't the defacto standard that they were. there is true competion is computing and customers win in that case. computers aren't accelerating ahead just to play the next game anymore, so people only have to upgade for actual computer usage. every one wins.





Uhhhhhh....... Wow. Yeah.

[Danalys]

it's still spreading. altho at the time i was under the impression that linux would come preinstalled. though that's looking like it might happen still. the news about YDL 6 isn't very clear at this moment. but still i said that would be part of a process that would be going on into the next generation of consoles. so you can't really dismiss a prediction that hasn't come to it's due date.

[Danalys]

now

to repeat myself

(which I REALLY hate doing)

4 MONTHS AFTER THE PRICE CUTS YOU SAID WERE ENABLED BY COST CUTTING

In other words they've only managed to cut costs because they took a massive hit on profits in order to basically give the console away in order to get it into people's homes, thus enabling them to increase production and therefore cut costs

doesn't sound very desirable to me...

and they had to sell off the entire cell division just to make the gaming division look profitable. Try again.

um they can do something called forecasting.

[hippy fascist]

you can dismiss it for being wrong though :huh:

[Mentok]

it's still spreading. altho at the time i was under the impression that linux would come preinstalled. though that's looking like it might happen still. the news about YDL 6 isn't very clear at this moment. but still i said that would be part of a process that would be going on into the next generation of consoles. so you can't really dismiss a prediction that hasn't come to it's due date.


:whatever:

[hippy fascist]

um they can do something called forecasting.

which part of my post are you responding to?

with you cherry-picking which bits you'll respond to, due to the sheer weight of evidence indicating how wrong you are, it's difficult to tell...

[Danalys]

that pretty much covered all of it hippy fascist. me cherry picking? that's so rich coming from you.

[Mentok]

I'm amazed you can dress yourself in the mornings. Really.

[Danalys]

that's why i'm naked :(

[hippy fascist]

that pretty much covered all of it hippy fascist. me cherry picking? that's so rich coming from you.

forecasting explains why they had to sell off large parts of the company...

no, I think it's incorrect forecasting which caused that.

was it 10 or 20 million ps3s sold in the first year they were predicting, I honestly can't remember?

basically you're trying to act as if this was all part of the plan from day one

WAKE UP

sony have dropped the ball this generation and have been maknig desperate move after desperate move just to stop the company collapsing in on itself.

[Danalys]

forecasting ment they could drop the price before they cut the costs. sheesh it's like i have to explain everything in the simplest terms for you guys.

as for selling the plant you assume that was to cover PS3 costs. there are other reasons that would make sense to sell it. i get bored of your nonsequetors so ignore them.

[hippy fascist]

the game division's losses were 841 million dollars

the cell division was sold for 835 million dollars

you do the math :)

[Danalys]

still no definite connection between the two. sometimes a good business opertunity is just a good business opertunity. as long as they can still get cell chips for a reasonable price and it will still be developed and they can get the new cell at a reasonable price when it comes to PS4 then it's all good.

[hippy fascist]

I give up

As previously stated, education seems to be a foreign concept to you :(

[Mentok]

still no definite connection between the two. sometimes a good business opertunity is just a good business opertunity. as long as they can still get cell chips for a reasonable price and it will still be developed and they can get the new cell at a reasonable price when it comes to PS4 then it's all good.



Ahhhh, ok. I get it now. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just talking.

Well, that clears things up then.

[Danalys]

ad hominem

[hippy fascist]

when you consistently ignore every piece of evidence put in front of you the only thing left to argue is the character of the man. Or to go with a more literal translation "to argue to the man"

pig latin, was that an attempt to dispel the idea that you're of lower than average intelligence...?

'cause it failed :(

[Danalys]

it's commen to use the latin to site a logical fallacy. and pig latin is just inversions with prefixes and suffixes. ad hominem isn't pig latin.

[hippy fascist]

there was no logical fallacy

and again you're wrong. It's actually used when a person can't argue against a person's case so they try to disparage their personality. In other words, if you can't win on evidence, disparage the character of your opponent in order to destroy their credibility.

And yes, I freely admit pig latin was the wrong phrase

But since the crux of your argument was wrong i consider my misuse of a single term a minor point. If you want to get into the minutia of the argument I could spend all day laughing at your command, or lack thereof, of spelling and grammar. :)

[Danalys]

i'm happy to leave it up to others to read for themselves and see if you've commited that logical fallacy or not.

[hippy fascist]

most people here don't read your posts because they fear the IQ drop that would innevitably occur after reading such utter garbage

sorry to be the bearer of bad news :(

[Danalys]

ah those people who drag them up after over a year in a jevenile attempt to stir up trouble in lieu of their fallen comrades

[hippy fascist]

actually I was just reading through some old threads and was genuinely amazed at the overall stupidity quote I initially highlighted. Even the lizard's not that much of a ps3 fanboy...

[Danalys]

the lizard is just intrested in the games he's intrested in. how the industry will grow and change isn't much concern to him. anyway the way i see it sony doing better is good for the industry because MS have got the money to compete and that can only mean better deals for the consumer. next time they can come out with a quieter system without a bulky power supply and they might be able to compete in japan. and sony should have learnt that their initial price point wasn't that great an idea. need to go with more mature tech from the get go. leveraging the experience with cell that generation instead.