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SSJ4_Mikael
08-20-2006, 02:55 AM
2 Day's ago I started to watch the anime "Great Teacher Onizuka", yesterday I finished the series.
And when I woke up today I turned on the TV. There they are "Ed, Edd an' Eddy"... I watched the program, not for entertainment but merely to compare, after that it was "Cow and Chicken".
In the middle of that I turned off the TV, and thought "What the hell I am watching?"

The cartoons, at least the espisodes I watched, had no mening, no depth, no humor nor any techings at all.
They throw TV's and refrigirators at eachother and it merely hurt them at all. They tried to steal money from a other kid ect.
Besides the ways the characters is drawn is terrible.

Now I compared it to anime, which often have a purpose:
Anime for kids: Pokemon and Digimon - Teach you to belive in yourself, and that friends are important.

Now I don't claim that all anime is better, since I havent seen all.
But for what I've seen, I think some cartoons should be replaced.

Corinthian™
08-20-2006, 04:27 AM
Rocko's Modern life... Doug... Hey Arnold... Real Monsters.... whatever the hell happened?

Pokemon and -some- Digimon are as worse as Edd ed and Eddy, except that EEE is one of the last cool series... along with Dexter's lab and Power puff girls...

but seriously..Pokemon is crap.. like Beyblade and Yugiho

SSJ4_Mikael
08-20-2006, 04:38 AM
Rocko's Modern life... Doug... Hey Arnold... Real Monsters.... whatever the hell happened?

Pokemon and -some- Digimon are as worse as Edd ed and Eddy, except that EEE is one of the last cool series... along with Dexter's lab and Power puff girls...

but seriously..Pokemon is crap.. like Beyblade and Yugiho
I know it's crap, but I mean, it's better for kid's than the other series.
Besides there are many stages in anime;
kids: pokemon, yugioh, digimon
pre-teen/teen: Dragonball, Naruto
old teen/ adult: great techer Onizuka, Giglamesh

Dexter's lab, Powerpuff girls they have no real meaning.
A guy who is smart but allways fails?
Three Superman-chicks who beat the crap out of ugly villains?

Corinthian™
08-20-2006, 04:46 AM
Dexter and Ppg are just Cartoons with heavy, yet subtle Anime influences... but when I say anime you must boarden your views away from Dragonball, GTO and many others that are similar... there's also the old anime that I love and you people should watch... Things from the 80's and 70's are cool. In fact, many cool cartoons draw influences from it, since most of the artist and writers lived through those phases and watched Anime(but back then they were just Cartoons). What you see in Shounen Jump and many other mangas and new cartoons are just another phase...

November Rain
08-20-2006, 08:11 AM
if you are saying tha western cartoons don't influence children in a positive manner than you are widely mistaken, a lot of them are toned down or exaggerated violence in order to take the realism off while a lot of anime can be very violent indeed where some people can think it may have a negative effect on children, hence why it's toned down when translated and exported to the western world.

how japan has a lower crime rate to america is beyond me, perhaps it has more to do with the cultural acceptance of some media as purely being fictional.


oh well...

The Question
08-20-2006, 10:50 AM
Anime are cartoons. Just Japanese ones. The fact that they're from Japan doesn't make them at all superior. Most of the anime that airs on saturday mornings is absolute crap. Worse than some U.S. shows (although alot of the U.S. shows these days are quite bad). It's all about what show you watch.

X-Ray
08-20-2006, 11:51 AM
Nope. They just need to make better cartoons.

WeaponZ2
08-20-2006, 12:33 PM
Anime are cartoons. Just Japanese ones. The fact that they're from Japan doesn't make them at all superior. Most of the anime that airs on saturday mornings is absolute crap. Worse than some U.S. shows (although alot of the U.S. shows these days are quite bad). It's all about what show you watch.

Yeah, anime is no better or worse then any other type of cartoon...I dont even call anime, anime...Its just a ****ing cartoon made in another country.....and I find all anime is the same **** over and over anyway.

saiyan jedi
08-20-2006, 04:56 PM
Yeah, anime is no better or worse then any other type of cartoon...I dont even call anime, anime...Its just a ****ing cartoon made in another country.....and I find all anime is the same **** over and over anyway.
let me enlighten you

cartoon= crappy artwork

anime= kickasss graphics

in general

Corinthian™
08-20-2006, 05:07 PM
let me enlighten you

cartoon= crappy artwork

anime= kickasss graphics

in general
Doug...

nuff said

The Question
08-20-2006, 05:07 PM
let me enlighten you



cartoon= crappy artwork



anime= kickasss graphics



in general


No.

Cartoon = animated artwork.

Anime = same damn thing, but from Japan.


I've seen plenty of anime with ****ty animation.

SLVRSR4
08-20-2006, 10:44 PM
Doug...

nuff said

Patty you're the ketchup on my hotdog, and Patty you're the one for me woh oh woh:mad:

Skeeter was turquoise:o

I do think that Hey Arnold was the last show i enjoyed that was from the US:(

Oerwinde
08-21-2006, 02:14 AM
let me enlighten you

cartoon= crappy artwork

anime= kickasss graphics

in general

Pokemon, DBZ, Digimon, New Transformers, yugioh, etc. = crappy artwork
TMNT, Masters of the Universe, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League, Spider-Man TAS, X-Men Evolution, X-Men TAS, Thundercats, Samurai Jack, pretty much every disney film or show, etc. = kickasss graphics

The main differences between anime and north american cartoons are as follows:

North American cartoons tend to be more episodic and have a greater variety in visual styles. The episodic nature results in shows that are more easily accessible, but less satisfying story-wise. North American cartoons also tend to be comedies, due to a cultural misrepresentation of the medium as being just for kids.

Anime tends to have less variety in visual style and have season long story arcs. The larger arcs result in a deeper and more satisfying story, but requires you to watch every episode to get anything out of it. Also, anime seems to cut a lot of corners resulting in poor animation as evidenced by the last 4 transformers series, Dragonball/Z, etc. Just watch an episode of anime and pay attention to how much they just pan across static images, or slide two cels across one another without actually having either character move.

There are exceptions though, look at FLCL, which has probably the best animation of any anime ever.

The japanese are also more accepting of animation as a medium, which results in a larger variety of shows, from kids comedy to horror.

In other words, there a pros and cons to both, and neither should replace the other.

WeaponZ2
08-21-2006, 10:27 AM
http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdb5x0elE7MUAXin2FAx./SIG=125u7i51q/EXP=1156260593/**http%3a//www.montereybiz.com/ron/donbluth/nimh2.jpg
"Secret of N.I.M.H", this a still from the movie....but if you ask me this "cartoon" could be hung on a wall as a piece of artwork.

http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyjjP0elEdxEBClr2FAx./SIG=12ho5sofb/EXP=1156260687/**http%3a//www.slocartoon.net/slike/recenzije/titan_ae/titan8.jpg
"Titan AE", also done by Don Bluth. Look at it, thats not "anime" its a "Cartoon", with great graphics.

Cartoon are just like Anime, no better no worse. The thing is people get very obsessive of it and treat it like the second coming of Christ but in the form of pretty pictures.

Also I (personally) dislike the fact how easy the Anime art style is to replicate.....anyone can do it. Their is nothing special at all about it, I can get forty people form my school who can do a perfect anime picture. And I can only think of one person who could MAYBE replicate Don Bluth's art style and thats my art teacher.
Anime is to general, the art is basically the same in all of them and the plot devises are almost always the same....I mean how many animes have a female character that is a school girl? I've watched only a hand full of anime, but a lot of them have a school girl in them as character.
And why are the characters almost always teens?
I could list a bunch of stuff that anime always retreads and it bugs the hell out of me.

Hey I don't hate anime, cause really I can't, cause I love CARTOONS! which is what they are.

Tsunulia
08-21-2006, 11:44 AM
I can't even read more than half this thread without crying for my beloved cartoons of yesteryear :(

Corinthian™
08-21-2006, 12:45 PM
http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdb5x0elE7MUAXin2FAx./SIG=125u7i51q/EXP=1156260593/**http%3a//www.montereybiz.com/ron/donbluth/nimh2.jpg
"Secret of N.I.M.H", this a still from the movie....but if you ask me this "cartoon" could be hung on a wall as a piece of artwork.

http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyjjP0elEdxEBClr2FAx./SIG=12ho5sofb/EXP=1156260687/**http%3a//www.slocartoon.net/slike/recenzije/titan_ae/titan8.jpg
"Titan AE", also done by Don Bluth. Look at it, thats not "anime" its a "Cartoon", with great graphics.

Cartoon are just like Anime, no better no worse. The thing is people get very obsessive of it and treat it like the second coming of Christ but in the form of pretty pictures.

Also I (personally) dislike the fact how easy the Anime art style is to replicate.....anyone can do it. Their is nothing special at all about it, I can get forty people form my school who can do a perfect anime picture. And I can only think of one person who could MAYBE replicate Don Bluth's art style and thats my art teacher.
Anime is to general, the art is basically the same in all of them and the plot devises are almost always the same....I mean how many animes have a female character that is a school girl? I've watched only a hand full of anime, but a lot of them have a school girl in them as character.
And why are the characters almost always teens?
I could list a bunch of stuff that anime always retreads and it bugs the hell out of me.

Hey I don't hate anime, cause really I can't, cause I love CARTOONS! which is what they are.
Anime characters tend to be teens, because, people that watch it are teens. And normally, a teen would be in a school, and guess what? There are girls in school and people call it schoolgirls

And you haven't really watched good anime... Watch Ergo Proxy... watch Ghost in the Shell... Watch other things and not your classical stuff you would see on Cartoon network... look things up.. read a little about them and then come back with a formed opinion

WeaponZ2
08-21-2006, 12:57 PM
Anime characters tend to be teens, because, people that watch it are teens. And normally, a teen would be in a school, and guess what? There are girls in school and people call it schoolgirls

And you haven't really watched good anime... Watch Ergo Proxy... watch Ghost in the Shell... Watch other things and not your classical stuff you would see on Cartoon network... look things up.. read a little about them and then come back with a formed opinion

Where did I list what anime I watched?....how do you know none of it was good?.....I dont even get the cartoon network....All the anime I've watched is stuff I searched for.

And come on you know the whole schoolgirls thing is just some kind of fetish.

Corinthian™
08-21-2006, 01:11 PM
Where did I list what anime I watched?....how do you know none of it was good?.....I dont even get the cartoon network....All the anime I've watched is stuff I searched for.

And come on you know the whole schoolgirls thing is just some kind of fetish.
except that most Schoolgirl stuff are Shoujo to begin with, not Shounen

WeaponZ2
08-21-2006, 02:00 PM
except that most Schoolgirl stuff are Shoujo to begin with, not Shounen

So, school girls arn't only in anime attended just for girls. They're also in some male stuff. And thats not my point.
My point is the material used in anime is very general, I can't list how many animes are about (or have in them) some form of matrial arts.
And the art style in each anime cartoon is almost the same.

Check it out.

http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdaMK_.lEyZcANsH2FAx./SIG=12h946g9o/EXP=1156272266/**http%3a//www.bcantin.com/anime_cels/p/pokemon/misty_togepi1.jpg
http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyj8EAepEcf8AGtr2FAx./SIG=11rm4rc5l/EXP=1156272772/**http%3a//sdf1.cc/%7eriva/bishoujo/pan.jpg
Misty, animated by Hidaka Masamitsu. Pan done by I have no idea who but in the style "created" by Akira Toriyama. You can not say that these two don't look extremely simular.

http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdb5z_OlE9TABrGX2FAx./SIG=125pfderu/EXP=1156271603/**http%3a//www.animationusa.com/picts/nkpict/doug.jpg
http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby46n_OlETcMAhXH2FAx./SIG=12c3up3gi/EXP=1156271655/**http%3a//www.mcfergesondvd.com/pics/superman/superman1.jpg
"Doug" Jim Jinkins, "Superman" Timm Bruce, very diffrent. Anyone that says other wise must be nuts.

Warhammer
08-21-2006, 02:29 PM
Growing up in the 90's, Toons were so much better than anime now.
Actually, there is too much damn Anime, overpopulation, and too much of a good thing. :mad: :down

Harlekin
08-21-2006, 02:54 PM
Replaced? What happened to a show for every person? That's like saying that all reruns of Friends should be replaced with reruns of say... Seinfeld. Beyond the fact that animes are cartoons and not one cartoon is the same as another, this is rather ridiculious notion.

Sloth7d
08-22-2006, 03:29 AM
Rocko's Modern life... Doug... Hey Arnold... Real Monsters.... whatever the hell happened?

Pokemon and -some- Digimon are as worse as Edd ed and Eddy, except that EEE is one of the last cool series... along with Dexter's lab and Power puff girls...

but seriously..Pokemon is crap.. like Beyblade and Yugiho
You can't see it, but I'm glaring a hole in my computer screen at you.
Yugioh(uncut) is one of the most hardcore animes. All three series.

Tsunulia
08-22-2006, 10:46 AM
^ *sits and stares in disbelief*

enterthemadness
08-22-2006, 10:59 AM
:) hey, I have two words for you...


:mad: HELL NAH!

I like cartoons. Rocko's Modern Life, Angry Beavers, Rugrats, Ed, Edd, Eddy, and old school Dexter Lab (before he came back in the 00's with new animation). The only anime I've liked is Dragon Ball...Z.

Corinthian™
08-22-2006, 04:29 PM
You can't see it, but I'm glaring a hole in my computer screen at you.
Yugioh(uncut) is one of the most hardcore animes. All three series.
......

You like Yugioh? I would understand the card game since it's kinda nice, but the cartoon?

yeah... I ca't think of anything to say


And madness, if you only liked Dragonball Z then you need to expand your horizons... go watch some old school stuff and perhaps some of the recomendations Oakzie or I would post.. Oakzie's the **** in Anime stuff in here.. She likes stuff that would compare to Sandman or Watchmen in the comic media

deathshead2
08-22-2006, 04:35 PM
Cartoons shouldn't be replace by anime. They both have problems cartoons have some good ones and some bads ones as does anime good and bad know point in replacing all of one think to get the same of another.

The Fonz
08-23-2006, 04:16 PM
Rocko's Modern life... Doug... Hey Arnold... Real Monsters.... whatever the hell happened?

Pokemon and -some- Digimon are as worse as Edd ed and Eddy, except that EEE is one of the last cool series... along with Dexter's lab and Power puff girls...

but seriously..Pokemon is crap.. like Beyblade and Yugiho
Doug?! Doug?! Gimme a break! That cartoon was pure unadulterated crap. But so is Pokemon and the other mon. Ed, Edd, and Eddy is cool though.

But replacing American cartoons with Japanimation isn't very bright. I think on the whole, Japanese cartoons have more crap than American cartoons.

Qočlet
08-23-2006, 04:33 PM
No.

Cartoon = animated artwork.

In point of fact, a cartoon is an image or series of images resulting in a comedic conclusion. Overboard and Zits are cartoons, but not animated.

An Animated Cartoon is the proper term for what you're referring to. The comedy is key, however. Batman, The Animated Series, for example, is not a cartoon because it's not meant to be comedic... except on occassion. Bugs Bunny is an animated cartoon because he is supposed to be funny.

I know that people use the terms "animation", "Anime", and "cartoon" just about interchangably and for the most part I don't mind, but when you're trying to set down the definitions for people, some clarity is necessary.

Anyway, ironic point: American cartoons (animated and otherwise) were a huge influence in the creation of the earliest Anime (a la Astro Boy), which is part of the reason why characters in Anime often look like they are caucasians. Now the Japanese style is having a huge influence on American television. The boundaries aren't necessarily so clear as one would assume.... which, I believe, is just about your point anyway: Right, Question?

Corinthian™
08-23-2006, 08:46 PM
Doug?! Doug?! Gimme a break! That cartoon was pure unadulterated crap. But so is Pokemon and the other mon. Ed, Edd, and Eddy is cool though.

But replacing American cartoons with Japanimation isn't very bright. I think on the whole, Japanese cartoons have more crap than American cartoons.
Doug was awesome.. shut up:cmad:

The Fonz
08-23-2006, 09:35 PM
No, seriously, no. I was actually thinking about making a small website about why Doug was such a pussy but I decided to let it go. But if you want to hear my arguments about why Doug was one of the, or the, biggest pussy in cartoon history then feel free to ask me.

Tsunulia
08-23-2006, 09:40 PM
p0rl<cl-l0p pwn5 j00r 50l_l1 :mad:

storyteller
08-26-2006, 06:35 PM
Dude go over to japan sometime. 85% of their anime is total crap. We just get the ones that do very well over there. Also i like how you compare to totally different cartoons. Now all anime is gundam and stuff.